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even can conclus prove that unicorn exist anywher assum that god exist make assumpt cannot test cannot make exhaust search god prove that doesn exist anywher sceptic atheist assum default that god not exist sinc that assumpt can test profess strong atheism not claim that sort god exist gener restrict claim cover varieti god describ follow religion whilst imposs prove conclus that god exist prove that god describ religi book not exist even prove that god describ present dai religion exist practic believ that god describ religion exist close believ that god exist suffici that counter argument base imposs disprov kind god not applic god essenti detect god interact univers effect interact measur interact univers detect god essenti detect case that not interact univers atheist argu that god not interact univers import whether exist not bibl believ god easili detect israelit sure detect todai note that not demand that god interact scientif verifi physic sure perceiv effect caus presenc can distinguish thing that don exist you philosoph justif for atheism isn religi belief common pastim philosoph discuss redefinit game cynic view thi game follow person begin make contenti statement person point that can true person gradual defin word us statement arriv person prepar accept record statement fact that person agre and continu eventu statement agre fact origin definit word obscur redefinit origin need agre appar inconsist will tend plai point thi digress that answer question isn atheism religi belief depend crucial meant religi religion gener character belief superhuman control power sort god and faith and worship worth point pass that varieti buddhism not religion such definit atheism not belief sort superhuman power categor worship meaning sens widen definit religi encompass atheism result aspect human behaviour suddenli class religi such scienc polit and watch not religion sure belief atheism scienc act faith religion firstli not clear that sceptic atheism believ secondli adopt number core belief assumpt make sort sens sensori data experi atheist adopt core belief and even subject question experi throw into doubt scienc number core assumpt for exampl gener assum that law physic for observ sort core assumpt atheist make such basic idea call act faith almost base act faith and term lose mean faith us refer complet belief such definit atheism and scienc not act faith individu atheist scientist can dogmat religi follow claim that thi not gener tendenc atheist reluct state certainti that univers exist faith us refer belief support evid proof sceptic atheism doesn fit that definit sceptic atheism belief strong atheism closer doesn match even dogmat atheist will tend refer experiment data lack assert that god not exist atheism not religi sure anti religi unfortun human tendenc label for friend enemi truth not clear cut atheism posit that run logic counter theism that sens can anti religion religi believ speak atheist anti religi mean that atheist sort antipathi hatr theist thi categor atheist hostil religion quit unfair atheist attitud theist fact cover broad spectrum atheist live and live attitud question will not mention atheism perhap close friend thi part atheism not social accept countri atheist quit anti religi and even convert histor such anti religi atheist made impact societi eastern bloc countri digress slightli soviet union origin dedic separ church and state usa soviet citizen legal free worship wish institut state atheism stalin control soviet union and destroi church order gain complet power popul atheist quit vocal belief religion encroach matter not busi for exampl govern usa such individu concern that church and state remain separ you don religion run state sure that state atheism principl separ church and state that state not legisl matter religi belief mean not that state cannot promot religion expens anoth that cannot promot belief religi natur religion can discuss pure secular matter for exampl religi believ histor respons for encourag polit reform even todai organ campaign for increas spend foreign aid found religi campaign long campaign secular matter and long not discrimin religi ground atheist quit happi prayer school god you care peopl prai peopl prai voter and lawmak and tend thing that don prai can ignor christian prayer school intimid christian even told that not join divers religi and religi belief mean that imposs formul meaning prayer that will accept present public event prayer tend friend and famili prai reason care friend and famili wast time even motiv you mention christian campaign for increas foreign aid atheist aren atheist chariti hospit don atheist object religi chariti chariti religi purpos that atheist can contribut atheist contribut religi chariti for sake practic good atheist even voluntari work for chariti found theistic basi atheist feel that atheism isn worth shout connect chariti atheism simpl obviou everydai matter and chariti feel that somewhat cheap not righteou us simpl chariti excus plug set religi belief weak atheist build hospit not god strang idea hold parti todai not birthdai fuss atheism rare evangel you atheism isn anti religi perhap backlash upbring rebel perhap for peopl parent not attempt forc religi atheist idea and peopl choos call atheist doubtless case that religi peopl chose religion backlash atheist upbring hand peopl choos religion conform expect can conclud whether atheism religion backlash conform gener peopl tendenc group act independ atheist differ religi peopl don god that atheist listen heavi metal backward even prefer verdi requiem even word wear hawaiian shirt dress black even wear orang robe buddhist lack belief sort god atheist even carri copi bibl for argu you chanc you met atheist realis atheist unexcept behaviour and appear unexcept aren atheist moral religi peopl that depend you defin moral obedi god atheist moral don obei god talk moral talk accept and unaccept wrong behaviour societi human social anim and maxim success oper each thi good reason discourag atheist anti social immor behaviour pure for purpos preserv atheist behav moral compassion simpli feel natur tendenc empath human care happen don simpli that natur peopl behav immor and us atheism justifi action equal peopl behav immor and us religi belief justifi action for exampl trustworthi that deserv full accept jesu christ into world save sinner for that reason shown merci that jesu christ displai unlimit patienc exampl for and receiv etern life king etern immort invis god honor and glori forev and quot statement made court februari jeffrei dahmer notori cannib serial killer milwauke wisconsin that for atheist mass murder religi mass murder trivial moral survei conduct roper organ found that behavior deterior born experi respond had driven intox born had convers similarli had us illeg drug convers two percent admit engag illicit sex salvat freethought todai septemb that religion not monopoli moral behaviour such thing atheist moral you mean such thing moral for atheist answer explain atheist idea moral strong held religi peopl you mean atheism characterist moral code answer atheism not impli person will behav atheist follow moral rule theist for reason atheist view moral creat human human feel world work set rule decre supernatur aren atheist theist deni god studi freedom religion foundat found that atheist respond atheist religion not work for had found that religi belief fundament incompat observ atheist not unbeliev ignor denial unbeliev choic vast major spent time studi religion sometim great depth made care and consid decis reject religi belief thi decis inevit consequ that individu person for natur sceptic person choic atheism that make sens and choic that person can honestli make don atheist want god atheist live live watch desir watch matter good natur big brother figur atheist god thing true risk such approach obviou atheist decid that want not evid for belief atheist evid for exist god unwil soul not atheist previous religi explain vast major consid possibl that god exist atheist spent time prayer reach god true that atheist lack open mind assum that atheist bias and insincer offens and close mind comment such god you aren properli like view patron you engag philosoph debat atheist vital that you give benefit doubt and assum that sincer that search for god you not will that basic tell truth debat futil isn life complet pointless atheist atheist live purpos life decid mean life and pursu goal make live count not wish for etern life influenc peopl will live for exampl atheist dedic life polit reform hope leav mark histori natur human tendenc for mean purpos random event mean obviou that life sort thing that mean put anoth not question sensibl thing atheist that ask mean life silli ask mean cup coffe that life purpos mean atheist find comfort time danger wai obtain comfort famili friend even pet spiritu level food drink that sound empti and vulner face danger individu thing comfort face realiti matter harsh end decis for individu concern atheist unabl not make feel comfort put truth comfort and that search for truth sometim make feel unhappi that hard luck don atheist worri that suddenli shown wrong short answer you atheist atheist for year encount argument and suppos evid for exist god found invalid inconclus thousand year religi belief haven result good proof exist god atheist tend feel that prove wrong futur and stop worri theist question belief don argument appli belief question not similar weak atheism sceptic default posit assert noth strong atheism neg belief theism strong posit belief atheist sometim argu that theist question belief real harm can not believ sort harm religion repres huge financi and work burden mankind not matter religi believ wast monei church build time and effort spent build church prai and imagin that effort spent theist miracl heal plenti instanc ill peopl heal priest ceas medicin prescrib doctor and dy result theist di refus blood transfus religi ground arguabl that cathol church opposit birth control and condom increas problem overpopul world countri and contribut spread aid world wide religi believ murder children children becom atheist marri religion weren real believ claim believ sort excus make real believ true religion hard christian compet group convinc that true christian sometim even fight and kill each atheist suppos decid real christian and isn even major christian church cathol church and church england can decid end atheist pragmat view and decid that call christian and christian belief dogma justifi action consid christian christian pervert christian teach for end sure bibl can readili us support christian act can moral code bibl word god couldn made easi misinterpret and you that your belief aren pervers your god intend singl unambigu interpret bibl atheist interpret anoth your claim that believ jesu and that murder jesu and bibl told call christian extrem sort belief question sinc prove that god not exist that basic religi belief share faith nonsens that not hold point start thi dialogu posit assert exist entiti inher harder disprov neg prove that unicorn don exist that doesn make that myth valid hold neg assert default hold posit assert default weak atheist argu that assert noth atheism great theist popular belief correct whether work peopl astrolog grapholog and pseudo scienc atheist feel that simpli human weak want god primit human societi religion peopl deal phenomena that not adequ understand religion that industri world find peopl believ religi explan phenomena even perfectli adequ natur explan religion start mean attempt explain world nowadai serv purpos cultur develop religion sure that not religion superfici similar for exampl worth rememb that religion such buddhism and taoism lack sort concept god christian sens religion quick denounc compet religion odd us religion and justifi anoth famou scientist and philosoph conclud that god exist for scientist philosoph believ god not point truth belief not determin peopl import realiz that atheist not view famou scientist philosoph that theist view religi leader famou scientist human expert field talk matter word carri special weight respect scientist made foolish speak subject lie field expertis you that widespread belief religion noth not that religion question properti help spread theori memet talk meme set idea can propag human mind analog gene atheist view religion set success parasit meme spread encourag host convert meme avoid destruct discourag believ question doctrin peer pressur time believ admit that mistaken religi meme even encourag host destroi host control meme memet view virtu associ success propag meme religion not good thing number peopl diseas good thing number peopl caught even religion not true put across import messag fundament messag atheism import idea atheist promot don surpris idea present religion moral behaviour mindlessli rule sceptic posit claim you want your life sort mean you find search for true even make you uncomfort make your life you good reli extern power chang you you chang popular doesn mean good you assum assum easi test don thing you want true and final and importantli belief open question for take time read thi articl mathew for inform pgp send mail pgpinfo manti
alt.atheism	gospel date articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write john quit not necessarili elabor theologi evid that luke and that content not canon form thi argument you elabor argument follow oid quot john not almost codifi matthew luke consid similar point knowledg such and not sourc assum that knew luke put luke and give evid for assumpt don thi follow you tradit attribut luke john john elder figur case talk span time rang lifetim talk date text not ag author usual explan for time order mark matthew and luke not respect ag matthew read text mark and luke that matthew and that mark assum that john knew content luke text evid for that not overwhelm admittedli earlier manuscript john discov interest and date haven info hand late earli and possibl shed doubt order put john rest don your point exactli jame felder had hand knowledg event and obviou that two us older text base account and even associ luke paul mark peter not gener accept genuin letter peter close wouldn origin togeth card sender and receiv fine that suppos miss and don step remov sourc that bad luke and mark and matthew learn stori directli dicipl cannot sort big transform jesu gospel that peopl posit new report gener get inform thi and john dicipl noth that john discipl not gener accept style and languag togeth theologi us counterargu argument that john discipl reli claim gospel john evid for step and gener remov bad even time compar that report similar event centuri almost illiter societi not even speak that believ not necessarili sourc obviou that mark edit oldest manuscript knowledg can antiqu oldest quit estim and not even complet clear edit problem end and basic hopeless mess oldest version give strong sens incomplet point shortest version break midsent obviou solut that point part text lost materi vers pretti and repres synopsi end luke word not origin mark and argument base mark pretti weak that connect redat john benedikt
alt.atheism	univers violat separ church state dmn kepler unh edu king becom philosoph philosoph becom king write recent ra order and resist care appar post religi flyer entitl soul scroll thought religion spiritu and matter soul insid bathroom stall door school univers hampshir sort newslett assembl hall director campu pose question spiritu each issu and solicit respons includ issu pretti vagu assum put christian care not mention jesu bibl heard defend doesn support religion thi state univers and strong support separ church and state enrag can thi sound scream for parodi give copi your friendli neighbourhood subgeniu preacher luck run mental mincer and hand you back outrag offens and gut bustingli funni parodi you can past origin can stool scroll thought religion spiritu and matter colon you can us thi text wipe mathew
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr harder ccr ida org harder ccr ida org bob mcgwier write hate econom terror and polit correct wors hate thi polici effect approach stop donat organiz that directli indirectli support gai right issu end boycott fund scout can reconcil appar contradict and rob strom strom watson ibm ibm research mill river road box yorktown height
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write didn you lucif creat perfect natur defin perfect you plai usual game make sweep statement omni holi perfect and don note that mean exactli and that that you not us thi term lead contradict not plai game understand that come complet point view such atheism your foot your mouth wonder that cathol christian fact that contradict unresolv reason atheist believ similar sentenc for long time that show power religion and not claim god prevent lucif fall take abil choos moral altern worship god worship that mean that god error make lucif free will place exactli god evil evil that opinion premis point view not premis true specif that evil evil occur follow definit evil ordinarili us let evil happen allow evil place thi place even caus evil anoth evil you give definit free will presenc omnisci will determin word god creat consciou be abil choos moral choic independ god will free will omnisci attribut god will creatur will even omnipot creat choic left event fix not even for omnisci extend argument jame tim god omnisci creat be free moral choic greater good emerg ungodli evil sin sinc creat know outcom advanc greater good evil knowledg that will happen not make unipolar system possibl good not good that not necessarili impli evil logic your god not not that such logic god restrain free choic choos evil and simpli not good can that free moral choic and good defin love and obei god and avoid behavior god prohibit can you that not good not evil not that not good evil logic and not omnipot can free will you choic and scenario you defin free will imagin can good be cannot harm easili implement make object good deed don make long for can not feel absenc good evil case argu conceiv omnipot can not omnipot you want logic consist you give pet idea omnipot delet perhap weak specul ubiquit pink unicorn basi for such specul thi idea god didn fall blue read scienc fiction fantasi that will disagre bibl describ god omnisci and nevertheless creat be free moral choic definit logic follow that not mind amount evid that god exist and that biblic descript fair that evid bolster argument view that bibl describ omnisci and omnipot god destroi credibl bibl noth and lot peopl interest evid for god can definit benedikt
alt.atheism	polit atheist arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write motto origin star spangl banner that thi atheist motto coin origin mccarthyit smear equat atheism commun and call unamerican didn motto coin sinc civil war requir currenc keith
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write victim muslim victim not true muslim muslim quit annoi don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict critic islam for chang critic argument us whenev peopl you identifi muslim victim attack us argument for bad situat muslim whenev deed muslim that victim name not count argument peopl not true muslim mention made muslim bad situat anoth parti doubl standard benedikt
alt.atheism	polit atheist refer line trim livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write good deal confus you start assert that object moral and you admit you finish recurs definit murder object immor eactli murder and not requir appeal moral you switch target you ask goal you mean goal you suggest that object goal and form moral achiev for exampl goal natur moral surviv and propog speci anoth exampl moral system present declar independ state that guarante life liberti and pursuit happi you moral system defin purpos system that moral end murder violat golden rule and thought had defin murder intent kill murder will and you respond thi ask whether not execut innoc person system capit punish murder not fail thi never claim that system moral object thought that your claim that kind object moral and that exampl that that murder wrong you don want claim that that fine murder violat golen rule pillar moral system not assum that current system and manner implement object moral that good approxim can perfect and you don understand differ arbitrari and object keith schneider defin murder thi that and that arbitrari jon livesei person system moral kill human will murder and wrong and legal definit murder usa kuweit saudi arabia prc matter not whit object assum system base clear and fundament concept arbitari impli clear line reason keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass kmr cwru edu keith ryan write peopl ask question and you rare answer nope answer each question pose and answer multipl time keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write long motto stai becom default cutoff point don exact cutoff year and sure year notion default not into account popul makeup specif you talk you argu that motto interpret offens larger portion popul year ago keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write borrow philosophi you don understand color red you not true even you experienc color red you interpret you wouldn red and you couldn judg subject and object not applic sinc you want discuss merit red keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write you discuss merit racism psycholg benefit you experienc person you speak experienc religion you mean religion that and thi pretti imposs ideal for religion and determin thought suit thi not not that religion warrant belief belief carri psycholog benefit psycholog burden you speak experienc racism you mean that racism that racist thing for parallel you meant odd usag phrase psycholog benefit gain racism fulli understood judg person believ racism parallel happen poor you origin keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write you don that capit punish wrong isn shoot analog that you continu drive your car realiz that sooner kill automobil accid you peopl kill result drive you continu you not that you will kill not drive car had suffici evid conclud that necessarili kill lifetim and think you think that involv fatal accid likelihood surprisingli high you man fire squad gun shoot blank not mean that you guilti don jon take human life murder and murder wrong situat action that will prevent anoth murder anoth you mean that kill wrong situt and you note that that situat will never occur option kill don you that kill wrong thi basic you get bit tire your probabilist argument you attempt condescend that system work pretti small consol poor innoc bastard get lethal inject your person human life base sole statist approach you sound unswerv adher outweigh fuck peopl found risk accept you like die plane crash even electr blender you execut innoc person that risk accept ideal moral system such risk accept accept fudg factor such approxim ideal keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write that peopl approv death penalti even realiz shortcom doesn thi make reason you sole judg reason reveng merit you find capit punish talk major peopl that support that reveng fair peopl favor punish murder punish peopl that that deserv peopl wouldn fair for murder live victim di reveng petti and pathet perhap you that petti and pathet your view minor local televis hot topic talk show that recent segment capit punish each and advoc us thi portion system jurisprud cite main reason for support that bastard deserv true human compass forgiv and sympathi requir compass forgiv and sympathi wrong will great length make that advantag remov similar situat forc kill anoth can appli golden rule and kill thi person turn not entir moral system base such concept you state that human life sacr and that never violat thi sound sort religi view mean reason imprison you person releas found innoc you can undo imiprison that serv perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic you aliv prison dead chair onc crimin commit murder desir irrelev and you not answer question you concern death penalti due possibl execut innoc isn thi concern share imprison shouldn your logic administ minimum punish avoid violat liberti happi innoc person keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write kill thi person innoc person convict murder murder commit not murder wouldn consid murder reason introduc fudg factor account for inabl total object due lack absolut true inform societi collect decid carri burden execut citizen carri blame for innoc blood each and voter cast ballot favor capit punish part guilti murder each and innoc victim system peopl favor system blame societi accept such system each member societi blame innoc person get execut that not favor work convinc and member societi accept blame consid risk accept similarli person drive accept blame for fatal traffic accid thi that sure happen peopl drive question risk accept like that innoc person will kill drive that will execut keith
alt.atheism	don innoc die death penalti articl psilink psilink jame tim write maintain class and even prison place innoc peopl higher risk unjust death state execut class and occasion error answer posit that place peopl prison for life that depend not predisposit murder success rate escap and abil commit crime word lifetim imprison doesn work perhap not not execut peopl not care lock bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder damn you can provid evid for rare widespread social phenomenon reduc such simpl premis psycholog hard scienc roughli mathemat sound physic your premis like that reflect your social and religi background your valid your religi belief pretend answer and don that xenophobia guilt and intoler brought adher fundamentalist religion plai larg role depress member societi your mileag vari bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl apr blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write that innoc person kill sens bad feel that punish for singl murder reform system reduc number death produc system not back system even introduc singl extra death bob that bad sens somewhat stronger you argument that sole purpos death penalti kill peopl that primari and argu purpos continu kill peopl practic that almost util you you will kill innoc unconscion exist prison system and transport system base merit societi not detriment will accept lost innoc live overwhelm benefit continu exist system stretch evid and argument make claim for capit punish case wasn clear maintain capit punsih system that kill innoc peopl and net posit gain you pin corner and respond that don belief state life won open that debat tire thi thread bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	creator articl drporter suvm syr edu drporter suvm syr edu brad porter write scienc wonder answer question not type question scientif find person find theori evolut unfathom human highli evolv complex organ that think learn and develop organ that result random genet mutat and natur select stuff delet comput excel exampl evolut creator not creat comput not creat sand that into silicon that into integr circuit that into processor board thing and put togeth interest plant creat oxygen light photosynthesi bigger leap talk that creat noth find unfathom resort believ creator simpler altern exist simpli incap understand begin even begin and that present perfectli busi jim halat
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl rpi edu johnsd jec rpi edu dan johnson write articl main main edu main main edu write dan johnson you don thi hand bravo for beauti simpli beauti jim halat
alt.atheism	specul articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu write thi god omnipot you folk claim can termin etern for reason can flibbl glop ork groink thing you demand that mean term thi classic exampl excess faith reason fact that troubl talk doesn impli that imposs simpli impli that hard talk good chanc that god can flibbl glop ork groink charli wingat can flibbl glop ork groink and isn even god doug graham dgraham bnr opinion
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write fun debat capit punish thi wrong group for relev that you don capit punish and murder that you murder wrong you term you not defin that innoc person execut thi object murder blame anoth question that entir societi that sanction sort execut realiz risk blame probabl kill innoc person shoot random into air and probabl kill innoc person state administ system capit punish you you that action you take will sooner result kill innoc person probabl that you will kill raondom activ you had not isol total rest societi thi and drive will kill peopl will airlin peopl continu drive and fly not punish inflict unwil prison court risk that ourselv willingli and argu that law system similar risk perhap innoc person will punish somedai work prevent thi fact crimin free result prevent punish innoc drive kill moral issu person involv fatal accid and felt vei guilti such accid total expect numner vehic road blame societi not thi you you that such fals wit that result innoc person convict and kill fault state sinc actual kill comment that state kill not depend fals wit state kill even case sincer mistak state not fault such case state can prevent fals wit you that capit punish murder possibilti human error invalid system capit punish murder period not thi that and involv take human life that definit murder make appeal dictionari object moral thi you call murder question whether not such murder wrong you that take human life wrong matter circumst societi decid murder that and list reason for and live moral consequ not plai word game and pretend that murder isn murder and that opinion societi run thi basic work societi accept risk that innoc person will murder execut and member societi share thi blame and peopl definit murder includ sort malici intent not involv execut discuss object moral system possibilti ramif your person system object not discuss object moral system show you that you didn for thing you incap defin term for exampl murder murder violat golden rule execut not allow societi implicitli accept consequ matter innoc victim not talk read mind talk know truth can never absolut that truth court system work principl know truth reason doubt you simpli not quot accur you and sinc total object thi case peopl think vote execut person not intent malici and unfair execut murder you slide into anoth claim quit juri persuad doubt not know mind doubt read mind juri whether not convict moral not object system absolut truth matter and juri system method approxim such truth that twelv member convinc truth juri come suffici prejud background persuad doubt evid that you and laugh read mind peopl that convict unfair perfectli fair read mind assum that fair knew absolut truth fair your opinion good approxim absolut truth not question fair your claim quot claim whether can fair distinguish capit punishn murder object determin differ knew inform can determin differ flaw system that system almost good isn object perfect you doesn matter fair not object fair not huge differ can read mind can and cannot read mind can noth differ not degre fair can effect object system produc fairli object system clear goal suppos promot not wast time devis system that pretti not exist you simpli want peopl confront realiti realiti rememb your realiti import thi case realiti that ideal theori apart can never even fact fair justic system for innoc person releas death row dozen innoc peopl execut hundr simpli don can assum that system fairli decent like and you realiz that correct system noth total ideal and object system hand can pretend that ideal theori and that can thing can never and justi system fair and that can wave magic wand and make type kill not murder and can ideal system work system can not ideal can hope creat system that close approxim ideal system hand can recogn that justic small hope probabl punish innoc and that end bear moral respons even for probabilist consequ system set and murder will even gee thi strictli bear respons peopl will thi that second prefer that requir peopl face moral consequ societi shelter ourselv magic ceremoni and word game realiz consequ action you separ justic system pack and forget don object moral system and that idea present evid don countri object system such object system can exist theori omnisci object system not practic keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write come keith schneider and object moral system and start definit that thi object system depend and predict thing fall apart fall apart you attempt appli thi doesn mean that object system can exist mean that cannot implement keith
alt.atheism	univers violat separ church state articl kepler unh edu dmn kepler unh edu king becom philosoph philosoph becom king write recent ra order and resist care appar post religi flyer entitl soul scroll thought religion spiritu and matter soul insid bathroom stall door school univers hampshir sort newslett assembl hall director campu post delet respond religi post stop dana easi post flyer stall door add bottom nice larg capit emerg toilet paper robert mellish fog email mellish net irc hobnob and mr joy prize for rafia work
alt.atheism	usatodai famili valu articl rzz unix portal danb shell portal dan babcock write funni usatodai american famili associ post choic part for your enjoy emphas not ad typo mine dan articl delet found add local sundai newspap add cartoon section perfect place for
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write claim that person that committ crime doesn god for moment that crime commit whether origin believ not good your statist peopl that declar atheism and doubtless atheist act chariti temporarili becom baptist jon
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder ponder for ten second realis that sinc don reliabl statist for sexual promiscu and sinc issu depress isn defin for earlier centuri you talk crap you pull mozumd and that peopl sex marriag defin depress can notic jon
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr cbnewsl att stank cbnewsl att stan krieger write can us rec scout for purpos for establish netnew voter decid that not want provid scout newsgroup give fring group forum for anti societ polit view thi thing will comment stan thi time part thi forum call rec scout for polici discuss and relat topic thi polici discuss and involv relat topic thi not fring group discuss engend strong feel side issu hand wether view anti societ not your opinion and alon don make you not engag thi discuss us kill file you continu thi discuss know full implic that appli for that plan continu discuss input for tire peopl that thi not matter signific for thi group and quit for feel impact close dominick zurlo world www oyster eagl scout allerg mollusk blacklist
alt.atheism	polit atheist mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist mathew mathew manti write perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic wait commit crime not implant such devic potenti crimin communist and atheist don follow your reason you propos punish peopl commit crime justif you for thi keith
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alt.atheism	idl question for fellow atheist atheist care specul face world atheist major minor group popul ridicul question wai newsread not get post for bit figur post atheist stanc and accor higher think theistic think typic selfish argument that line think evolv inher motiv not intrins qualit measur stick drawn and cannot assign system belief core altern appli peripheri express selfish idl thought adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write delet alt atheism tend recognis two categori atheism function format due mathew manti weak not god strong not god delet strong atheist and quibbl your assert that strong posit requir faith that god commonli describ theist exist thi belief opinion form basi observ includ amount introspect fulli accept that wrong and will swai suitabl convinc evid that god exist thi not impli faith part that that that god exist fact not believ god god will argu that your statement that god exist rest faith that you make posit statement that god exist strong atheism don and don and don not weak atheism onc not god that god not exist maintain posit even read faq that strong atheism requir faith languag problem regard faith and exist christian maintain that god not exist exist mean space and time god not god kierkegaard onc that god not exist etern thi feel pointless debat call exist god and that not that god sourc and ground you that god not exist accept thi statement mean two thing follow will us phrase exist god usual sens and thi sens that you clarif you mean exist god differ mean faith webster faith allegi duti person loyalti fidel promis sincer intent belief and trust and loyalti god belief tradit doctrin religion firm belief for proof complet trust that believ esp strong convict esp system religi belief syn belief can never prove that god not exist you that you god not exist and that thi opinion base observ will observt you refer observ pro con that valid establish posit belief observ can point you direct direct that even predispos predispos mean for exampl peopl whoe partent god tend draw conclus exist exist god requir leap and you made thi leap you activ that god not exist person that statement misguid argu exist god precis wrong find and us person god viabl concept imo person us ahead god choic anthropomorphis you want explain glad and not agre even violent disagre advantag start name call person think misunderstood faq not read point error wai and correct situat interest polit and thought discuss cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri bob singleton bob thnext mit edu
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write horribl death result atheism quit horribl death result atheist and theist bobbi can list quit for atheist side fail recogn that theist equal profici genocid perhap sinc bit weak histori somon give list war caus led theist can hitler claim christian for exampl complet list effect show bobbi absurd statement peac side note notic you sign your post peac perhap you your advic and leav atheist peac belief bobbi mozumd nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu ly ourselv deepli ingrain ly
alt.atheism	dear theist west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write mean full quot michael crichton jurras park earth exist quit content for billion year for blink ey and tomorrow earth not miss rememb thi quot humbl think that progress that master thi planet cool quot earth doesn save exist quit happili save watch theist will jump you for that brian west thi not sig file earth thi not sig file for blink sig file ey tomorrow post west wam umd edu not miss doesn care jurass park diclaim thi meant thi made nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu ly ourselv deepli ingrain ly
alt.atheism	polit atheist turn jump articl innq gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write refer line trim livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write good deal confus you start assert that object moral and you admit you finish recurs definit murder object immor eactli murder and not requir appeal moral you mean circular not recurs that semant recurs problem horribl ineffici assembl programm you switch target you ask goal you mean goal you suggest that object goal and form moral achiev for exampl goal natur moral surviv and propog speci anoth exampl moral system present declar independ state that guarante life liberti and pursuit happi you moral system defin purpos system that moral end oft quot line that peopl guarante life liberti and pursuit happi inalien right complet lie and decept author that line process prove liberti never free purchas cost almost cost anoth who liberti inalien similarli for life person die save anoth even group who life inalien that lead into classic question death penalti for serial killer who life and liberti valuabl serial killer victim that beauti line two right complet inviol that remov thi includ govern admittedli serial killer restrict peopl life and liberti not life liberti inviol declar independ murder violat golden rule and thought had defin murder intent kill murder will oooh that mean that kill infant not murder cannot will reason infant will such similarli for peopl brain dead easier coma etc current law accident kill murder will you includ that and you respond thi ask whether not execut innoc person system capit punish murder not fail thi never claim that system moral object thought that your claim that kind object moral and that exampl that that murder wrong you don want claim that that fine real golden rule life gold make rule make that surviv wrong that murder violat golen rule pillar moral system not assum that current system and manner implement object moral that good approxim can perfect you mean golden rule state almost system implement us that realiti don deal fiction realiti and you don understand differ arbitrari and object keith schneider defin murder thi that and that arbitrari jon livesei person system moral kill human will murder and wrong and legal definit murder usa kuweit saudi arabia prc matter not whit ozland not arbitrari you can find part societi societ rule moral etc that not arbitrari don object assum system base clear and fundament concept arbitari impli clear line reason keith sound euphem differ that object reason that arbitrari reason that don don understand
alt.atheism	radic agnost not and jcopelan nyx edu wrote articl bgsu edu andi bgsu edu pixi write post bug zoo bgsu mean that can possibl prove doubt that god not exist mean lack thi abil absolut proof atheist becom act faith and and thi cannot accept accept noth blind faith invis pink fly unicorn question meant atheist familiar exampl import mean word follow two statement consist not that you wear lilac sock not that you not wear lilac sock two statement not consist that you wear lilac sock that you not wear lilac sock statement and requir faith make presumpt natur realiti statement and requir belief atheist includ posit not that god not that not god that harbor belief good evid for god exist not folk call thi agnostic not suffer blind faith don worri happi
alt.atheism	maddi creat imag gaea pinnacl creation creat birth continu cut religi crap woman and sexism that start road atheism maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	wrong and articl trmetu bitnet trmetu bitnet write turkish gui had atheism saten and buddism instant hislif final decid islambecaus fact intend write point view you atheist peopl drop deep dark and think realiti dusti wall you had look bit upward you blue ski you dsee truth you close your ey allah god and moham mess ager gener entropi mean theologi and thermodynam hat your point view problem kiss that spark gener for format univers form tself you bother big bang spa bit and return realiti univers isla thi bit bobbi atheism fals stuff thi univers cyclic brendan dunn
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write and even that argument doesn stand cost execut crimin thi countri feed cloth and shelter for remaind natur life peopl thi fault judici system find greatest virtu assum that you talk appeal process etc note that peopl imprison for life will tend appeal not quit final hour econom not good reason favor oppos punish keith
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl apr skyblu ccit arizona edu lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu jame lippard write articl mar juliet caltech edu lmh juliet caltech edu henl lawrenc write atheism greek not theo god belief that god agnostic greek not gnostein belief that not determin god agnostic you defin posit belief belief that not determin exist god that belief inclin reject you defin atheism posit belief that god fairli larg number atheist alt atheism reject thi definit hold that atheism simpli absenc belief god michael martin atheism philosoph justif distinguish strong atheism mistak will newer dictionari and read follow line larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
alt.atheism	polit atheist refer line trim ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu scott sauyet write make assumpt that you agre that murder commit murder that murder intention commit murder for instanc you put bullet into gun that thought blank and kill such gun person perform action isn murder guess thi made clear below definit interest reason definit you mean reason your induct definit doesn bottom your definit essenc that murder intent kill not commit murder will expand second occur murder that bad includ word defin definit even seri recurs infinit mean can deduc assum you can problem correct induct definit you defin term simpler case and you bottom case for instanc can defin factori function function assign posit integ product posit integ equal posit integ induct follow math lesson delet thi situat suppos longstand feud two famili claim that commit travesti distant past each time member famili kill member famili think that justifi kill that member famili suppos that thi sequenc occur infinit number time you don deal infin suppos that member famili back into time and essenti begin thing that never end loop slai base exist travesti you resolv thi murder suppos that thi isn total applic your problem reduc uninduc system and case nest murder definit murder cannot infint recurs finit exist human and murder cannot commit kill involv person intention kill necessarili murder thi induct solv appar unreduc definit total object system inform such nest definit isn problem keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl pigidinnsot gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger human greater control action predomin instict tiger proper analog you thrown into cage person and maul you blame that person provid that that person respons frame mind not clinicali insan pcb etc thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	idl question for fellow atheist articl apr mac macalstr edu acoop mac macalstr edu write atheist care specul face world atheist major minor group popul problem slight shift emphasi weekend not inviol common work dai week busi and american atheist similar religi organ person religi belief crutch and justif for action guid determin action peopl come fascin ration for action that fun watch that for peopl religion america doesn matter that you extreemist end larg major don make issu long you don admittedli never had suffer bibl belt north and fring and reason peopl thing tend reason religion atheist stanc and accor higher think theistic think typic selfish argument that line think evolv inher motiv not intrins qualit measur stick drawn and cannot assign system belief core altern appli peripheri express selfish don bother higher think anybodi think don want fall that trap you start that you decid and inferior mode think idic infinit divers infinit combin argu soda not inflat
alt.atheism	problem satan us islam author women articl apr new unomaha edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write bobbi state that satan free will that god thi bring host paradox god evil free will god direct god evil part infinit good and evil etc for onc solid answer not run hope gave you fairli solid answer thi simpli don agre embodi version satan separ creation forc wrote belief ascrib that evil not creation absenc good thi fit logic thing dual us knife can us sculpt and can us kill entropi evil thi view forc entiti satan metaphor fact vers holi qur support thi view and tradit for exampl tradit that food never left open shelf tabl overnight satan enter appear that thi refer undiscov germ evil effect spoil food describ satan exampl satan personifi and quit physic descript heaven and hell holi qur bibl etc time spiritu and intellectu evolut modern human physic descript heaven hell and satan quit liter and that work for time mention tradit cite for exampl suffici absenc theori germ and diseas spread worm simpli describ evil pass consum spoil food satan beg question satan thi case metaphor can you allah not bottom line that describ spiritu plane human languag describ color person blind birth you want read book flatland you haven dragon egg intend light heart descript mathemat con cept delet for space save languag fail cannot us adequ describ anoth dimens cannot experienc speaker such convent metaphor allegori and come unseen describ term refer and mean for reader listen model compro mise made speak metaphor clariti and direct mean equival percept and crippl can you thi ask you god exist spirit metaphor mean satan metaphor you justifi thi belief and justifi that god not metaphor for thi instanc satan describ such tormentor testament book job temptor testament gospel god describ spirit metaphor and not belief god isn bar evil case satanist even satan metaphor satanist god justifi thi belief case god religi standard evil bobbi thi address thi question delet metaphor philosoph thi issu not that reader thi newsgroup want delv into religi interpret wish discuss thi will line mail line post stephen atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl pmjo inn lynx unm edu bevan carina unm edu mathemagician write gai peopl that straight peopl don absolut noth straight arrow year male that involv bsa don care gai peopl each long don make pass summer camp work boss gai not pansi gai gui doesn push and give respect back due posit bsa taught don toler met thi gui thought gai fari bsa taught antibigot basic come thi you your busi you violat civil right
alt.atheism	gospel date date mon apr gmt stilgar west cvill wam umd edu articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write illiad undisput word god prove wrong disput ergo counter exampl you proven wrong disput your counter exampl ergo counter counter exampl you wrong and nanni nanni boo boo tbbbbbbbtttttthhhhh thi case temporari islam
alt.atheism	word advic articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write time that altern that you caught and altern point ration isn altern problem metaphys and religi knowledg unsolv human cannot solv that can shouldn interrupt jim you wash your brain todai
alt.atheism	god moral long jbrown batman bmd trw write supernatur forc creat pathogen you sinc diseas bad bad entiti creat you acid rain meteor fall sky volcano earthquak and quot unquot act god that not act god natur occurr amaz that you audac that human creation not result natur process evolut act god and post that process volcano natur occurr gave you choos thing natur process and direct act god you that god doesn each and natur disast specif purpos mind sadist natur bibl even satan had noth origin incept diseas evolut random chanc produc sinc human forsook god protect choos live apart god law human collect come surpris that advers consequ collect action that left deal diseas and disord inevit result entrop univers thi collect bullcrap come collect refer idea that god work human two level individu and collect mankind decid undertak action major mankind god will consequ that action affect mankind adam ev two peopl even tho had honor you christian claim two not repres major billion and trillion peopl that come perhap major and you weren vote and perhap vote differ that tree your god never ask assum that you two bad peopl bad hmm sound kind fals gener that theist post resort that shoulda jim nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu ly ourselv deepli ingrain ly
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write that your mistak for children mother rais child thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point you claim that men stai home and rais child that fals made feminist that seek statu men you not recogn fact that men and women natur differ not physic mental your logic didn american world problem atheist becuas code ethic follow mean that atheist can want feel total base feel and feel cloud ration think yeah didn that atheist bad that bad good noth defin bad good awright bobbi back shit for brain glori thought turn corner progress thorazin prescript run put kill file man thi good stuff had stai power fortun learn not long long long ago bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write peac bobbi thi hell your sig you learn stand for and mean bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	omnipot specul articl psilink robert knowl psilink write date fri apr nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu can god uncreat for violat natur cannot god natur exist statement inher exist exist exist cannot not exist mention not omnipot you mean omnipot you mean omnipot that god thi creat contradictori definit omnipot effect useless descript omnipot mean power and not illustr analog suppos unit state nuclear power earth suppos that militari not effect counter nation group nation power into countri time for reason straighten thing leader fit militarili omnipot suppos that hold doctrin philosophi not interf intern affair nation such current civil war yugoslavian state technic thi scenario power unilater into yugoslavia and straighten mess effect not interven violat polici interfer polici interfer held strongli never question that violat effect limit had power want simpli never want interfer for such idea consider leader such inviol interfer polici god effect limit sens power cannot us power that violat essenc hope thi help clear misunderstand omnipot regard jim
alt.atheism	islam marriag articl apr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write articl qav austin ibm karner austin ibm karner write you want name name offici record pseudo marriag perform for conveni happen typic that woman will move lover scrupl legal contract speak man util loophol enter into temporari religi marriag contract order sex complain care perhap you alert your imam that thi practic widespread you take muslim men wit penetr decid practic exist you astound level ignor you displai muslim not allow enter temporari marriag that evid for outlaw practis your fact straight buddi give refer for you ly not widespread you fantasis fact contrari your fantasi not practis muslim not your buddi second read wrote not talk muslim allow practic muslim you don retort and tire not true muslim bullshit gave you name will you thi inform fatwa leash perpetr you honestli that voluntarili come forward and confess kind extrem shown your religionari fat chanc rate can conclus proof natur act perhap peopl that indulg thi practic agre you theori hope that allah will forgiv end arrog you pretend speak for muslim thi regard kind silli you insinu that koran law forbid crimin muslim countri thi care thi subject weak your argument for netter and disclaim opinion express thi post mine sole and not repres employ karner aix technic support karner austin vnet ibm
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl innq gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write refer line trim livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write good deal confus you start assert that object moral and you admit you finish recurs definit murder object immor eactli murder and not requir appeal moral you switch target you ask goal you mean goal you suggest that object goal and form moral achiev for exampl goal natur moral surviv and propog speci thi you mean goal hope you don mean impli that evolut consciou goal jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl pic linnrau gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write person object that find capit punish cruel and unusu punish circumst can painless isn cruel and occur frequent sinc dawn time unusu koff you mean that long put you sleep can kill you cruel thi jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl pieg inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write come keith schneider and object moral system and start definit that thi object system depend and predict thing fall apart fall apart you attempt appli thi doesn mean that object system can exist mean that cannot implement not fact that can exist that bother fact that you don defin want hear indefin thing that principl exist long you don carefulli religi person couldn jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl btinnqa gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kmr cwru edu keith ryan write peopl ask question and you rare answer nope answer each question pose and answer multipl time fifti dollar can answer your question big bang theori big bang theori recip for cooki fifti dollar hei didn answer make sens jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl jkinnq gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write long motto stai becom default cutoff point don exact cutoff year and sure year notion default not into account popul makeup specif you talk you argu that motto interpret offens larger portion popul year ago comment that make sens inherit default steam train recent jon
alt.atheism	god moral long articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw respond lot grief articl apr leland stanford edu galahad leland stanford edu scott compton sagemast thi relev discuss answer john question genet diseas and bacteri and viral diseas requir babi develop antibodi god fault origin question not scotti followup irrelev origin question thi not unusu thread quickli evolv origin topic not understand jim spent time respond regard irrelev thi collect bullcrap come collect refer idea that god work human two level individu and collect mankind decid undertak action major mankind guess hypothet adam major mankind man time god will consequ that action affect mankind you didn understand that apolog for not and two syllabl word discuss understand you mean collect insan pervers justic sort judg punish descend for crime commit ancestor you want that read your post and provid respons send copi jim brown bmd trw can read dai and post slip admit that you read read bibl dai you miss coupl good followup your post send you person copi followup hope you will respond public john sageless
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write articl aaa fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write jon ken previous peopl you your countri jew not surviv that sound ken accus gui nazi previou post delet thi perfectli fine rant and agre complet issu hand whether not ken accus fellow germani nazi grant that not explic make thi accus pretti damn close accus gui sympath extermin jew and that good for poster casual trash two thousand year jewish histori and ken repli that had previous peopl germani that peopl formal nazi nazi parti activ and tacit support ordinari man street behav casual anti semit perfectli accept exactli don you understand wrote and don you matter hand jon
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl apr mac macalstr edu acoop mac macalstr edu write articl pint fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write germani countri discrimin jew worst reput job express gener european dislik thi not turn into debat antisemit you point that luther antisemit base religi ground hitler racial ground and wagnmer aesthet ground blanket group poor analysi even bigot find intrigu remark you give bit explan for exampl religion anti semit and aesthet jon
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write ivt cfj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write british blow skyscrap don you you impli that person accus blow wtc and that islam teach blow wtc repli person attempt justifi fatwa rushdi ground that work intention insult that singl sentenc fairli long post and don you you impli quit disingenu and perhap even dishonest care dig back and read full post will noth kind trust you don deni that islam teach fatwa rushdi jon
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict mozumd incorrect that commit bad act peopl temporarili becom atheist jon
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write saddam believ god prai time dai commun hand commit genocid name atheism lenin and stalin two die hard atheist pun and believ atheism integr part commun bobbi stalin kill million name social atheism characterist lenin stalin version social noth anoth characterist lenin stalin social central food distribut you that stalin and lenin kill million name ration bread not horribl death result atheism earlier post you state that true muslim believ incap evil suppos you that you reason that kill name religion perfect world you live bobbi reason that you atheist that you limit god give god form god not face bobbi refer obscur law good atheist handbook law xxvi give that you not face you excus bobbi argu theism argu christian idea god realm christian man creat god imag kevin marshal sophomor comput scienc virginia tech blacksburg usa marshal csugrad edu
alt.atheism	list biblic contradict joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin write write found list biblic contradict and clean bit curiou purpos peopl list serv time atheist spend time pai attent bibl face thing your life us chuckl and snort silli that book and absurd peopl believ truth etc spend time mayan religion nativ american heck nativ american signifigantli interest myth egyptian pai attent christian accept religion and not mytholog find accur toler get hard place book nose and tell special not carolyn
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit apr mst jbrown batman bmd trw god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern isn logic merced car that girl merced that girl car heikki
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write articl apr blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write automobil system kill drive passeng not mention pedestrian you not drive even us car kill and kill system public transport favour ban privat car and replac train buse taxi bicycl and second cycl work each dai and damn car and cretin driver road lot fun jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write and mean peopl drive accept risk and contribut tax monei design system minim risk system minim risk that you car driver don want us call bicycl train and buse poor matthew million poster call you car driver and choos car owner jon
alt.atheism	omnipot specul articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl psilink robert knowl psilink write date fri apr nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu can god uncreat for violat natur cannot god natur exist statement inher exist exist exist cannot not exist mention not omnipot you mean omnipot you mean omnipot that god thi creat contradictori definit omnipot effect useless descript omnipot mean power and not illustr analog suppos unit state nuclear power earth suppos that militari not effect counter nation group nation power into countri time for reason straighten thing leader fit militarili omnipot you check afghan post thi disagre jon
alt.atheism	satan mango umd edu charlei wingat write nanci ann miller write favorit repli you liter mind complaint that bibl inspir god and that import make damn translat and scribe and peopl interpret and copi get liter not put merit that corrupt and and man even origin inspir god corrupt and theori pretti weak comparison current hebrew text version and translat show that text fact chang space two millennia thi shouldn that supris peopl text thi manner like make pain make good copi you honestli hold that tripe charlei for start current version bibl make comparison show that you write utter garbag wit mormon cathol anglican and greek orthodox bibl convinc you you good librari local librari had king jame compar brand hot god tongu good new bibl genesi almost unrecognis discrep gospel had edit good new bibl fact god good new congeni fellow you king jame and give you quot head haven chang jeff
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write reason trend obes and trend depress you can pick your two favorit trend notic correl and make sweep statement gener mean you can and peopl that not mean that valid reason thesi gross oversimplif push pull factor peopl experi agre reckon televis and increas fundament you increas pre marit sex think psychologist crimin justic system and violent crimin con into let into street increas design drug communist plot basic social interact chang factor societi complic for control hold panic handl and hope that head for soft land thing for depress and destruct nuclear famili not due sole sex marriag jeff fred rice muslim give point view daric yoyo monash edu cfaehl vesta unm edu
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl apr njitgw njit edu dmu hertz njit edu david utidjian eng sci write articl mar juliet caltech edu lmh juliet caltech edu henl lawrenc write for complet descript and not atheism agnostic faq for alt atheism alt answer utidjian remarqu berkelei edu apolog for post thi thought talk origin definit webster nonetheless appar past argument word impli that bimonthli and biweekli commonli accept definit and us care larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl aaa fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write articl pint fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write delet jon ken previous peopl you your countri jew not surviv that sound ken accus gui nazi hitler and nazi didn spring fulli form forehead athena didn invent anti semit built foundat anti semit that present germani thi foundat anti semit laid not nazi peopl list and hundr year unthink knee jerk bigotri part perfectli ordinari peopl and pastor and priest worri todai not whether hollywood hitler black uniform come stride german stage unprepar step whether bedrock foundat anti semit laid germani speak and will laid not hitler and himmler will come peopl poster question peopl that casual anti semit accept even fun delet suggest greatest respect that you read histori jon you german poster remark anti semit perhap you impli that germani doesn agre isra polici nazi prai even qualifi casual anti semit term doesn appli bring your bigotri shine disclaim opinion express thi post mine sole and not repres employ karner aix technic support karner austin vnet ibm
alt.atheism	omnipot specul articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write god effect limit sens power cannot us power that violat essenc cannot will not thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl suopanki apr stekt oulu suopanki stekt oulu heikki suopanki write god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern isn logic merced car that girl merced that girl car thi not strickli correct incorrect applic rule languag work merced premi and second not merced your case and not equal name person name object you can not simpli extract word take context into account your case doesn impli that case equal thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	islam jehovah wit articl apr princeton edu qpliu princeton edu write articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write god creat lucif perfect natur and gave angel free moral will god prevent lucif fall take abil choos moral altern worship god worship lucif moral choic determin will determin will qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinion delta correl bobbi post ago you that lucif had free will believ contrari you talk lucif can you suggest experi determin you wrong you claim that you norman
alt.atheism	had share thi articl apr acm gen kilroi acm gen earthbound misfit write bena dec monash edu ben avel write warn you devout christian thi post offend and upset you numer ctrl delet heheh assum familiar christian fish symbol back volvo that perhap found thi morn come stolen pagan last last chanc blisfulli ignor hmm can put come thi sigh hate draw ascii char you can work you haven read skinni leg and tom robbin even accur modern religion appropri great book followup alt atheism reader slightli author thi craig hard kilroi acm gen acm bb jub lbh pnyyvat obmb craig thought deriv greek acronym greek isn thi jesu christ god iesu christo theo ichtho greek for fish ichthysauru apolog for dread greek perhap will correct your sig mean norman
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write reason that you atheist that you limit god give god form god not face wait minut thought you that allah presum allah god unknow and you claim concret fact you that god not face doesn bibl that god hindpart you suggest decid you you god hindpart face your us quotat mark god not face you interpret thi mean you peac bobbi mozumd norman
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write you give definit free will presenc omnisci will determin word god creat consciou be abil choos moral choic independ god will free will hypothet consciou be can ignor influenc circumst genet environ experi not determin idea hell make idea free will dubiou hand idea hell not power idea parabl for you onc main charact blah blah blah dai thug point mean gun omc and blast you hell omc thought thi thug and follow instruct that will avoid get blast hell hand thi thug and not follow instruct that will blast hell hmm attract choic obviou follow instruct omc found choic obviou omc had learn get blast hell made undesir omc notic that thug gun wasn real gun thug threat make omc thug and resum blah blah blah qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinion delta correl
alt.atheism	gospel date articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write illiad undisput word god prove wrong disput ergo counter exampl you proven wrong disput your counter exampl ergo counter counter exampl you wrong and nanni nanni boo boo tbbbbbbbtttttthhhhh premi state that undisput fine illiad word god disput not disput that won matter prove wrong brian west thi not sig file earth thi not sig file for blink sig file ey tomorrow post west wam umd edu not miss doesn care jurass park diclaim thi meant thi made
alt.atheism	gospel date articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write fine illiad word god disput not disput that won matter prove wrong illiad contain word ergo can not word god you will humbl agre that word god will conce thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl pik fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write you spend time post your atheism incident question god trivial fess matter you great deal two question import mithra your life todai import mithra becom fund group fanat school system teach your children that mithra true god jon jon care long work for individu don impos belief children add fund group purg scienc deni children access great wonder and skill and kid born creationist burden begin adult life cruel awaken for final light provid escap depth thi type ignor
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit jbrown batman bmd trw write syllog form thi logic valid construct your syllog form logic invalid construct and your comment don appli appeal mathew manti wrote excel post part faq logic argument jim not mathew manti success year logic student will that you logic correct poster logic incorrect noth pretent
alt.atheism	god moral american and evolut articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write babi diseas etc god creat life protein code mutabl and can evolv delv into deep discuss creation evolution main problem scenario you outlin consist evid that familiar not not support earth latest estim billion year and had life for billion year human for year fossil evid inidc that life chang and evolv and fact diseas ridden long peopl fossil that show sign diseas bone disord heck not fossil evid glean genet studi show that diseas for long long time human sin brought diseas indirectli necessarili exist human god creat origin genet code perfect and flaw and get sidetrack into theolog ramif origin sin main effect call origin sin for thi discuss remov human god protect sinc choic cut intim fellowship god addit sin caus come dominion satan assum dominion earth delet sinc human longer god protect satan dominion great feat for satan genet engin diseas bacteri viral and genet forc natur select tend improv surviv speci degener genet code offset thi evolutionari biologist biologi you claim will strongli disagre thi evid that human genet code start perfect condit adapt envion collect sens curiou you mean degener genet code human dna complex accumul error advers affect and abil fight diseas simpler dna bacteria and virus tend becom effici caus infect and diseas bad combin umm nah pretti good job adapt virus and bacteria and small percentag microlif harm human and that small percentag reasonalbi constant size rank chang for exampl bubon plagu us nasti diseas you agre pop time time even todai and doesn damag part that sanit even peopl diseas symptom tend sever past thi partli peopl suscept di long ago and nasti variant overgraz forgiv poor terminolog engin not doctor and di for lack nearbi host wrong thi gather acn hundr year and us nastier killer get nasti ag newborn that suffer genet viral and bacteri diseas disord wait minut question human creat perfect and you admit that inbuilt abilii fight diseas that satan make diseas gift human mean fight simpler make diseas lethal survivor can immun system imperfect present built into god want clear thi you that god plan ahead for time satan charg build immun system that not time design that god made immun system ahead time know that adam and ev sin and descend fight diseas thi mystic supernatur explan you prepar accept god not respons for diseas even satan had noth origin incept diseas evolut random chanc produc sinc human forsook god protect anoth puzzl exactli you mean perfect phrase creat perfect and flaw mind perfect system incap degrad time perfect system that will constant intervent becom imperfect not perfect system imho that god write masterpiec bunch gum wrapper held togeth elmer glue that origin genet instruct perfect written inferior materi that had carefulli tend fall apart god not us materi god incap creat system that maintain choos not delet summari newborn innoc god not suffer main point that isn evid for explan you give that awar couldn make nitpick and sincer rai ingl opinion not univers ingl engin umich edu michigan
alt.atheism	god moral long articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl apr leland stanford edu galahad leland stanford edu scott compton write delet back your post you fine job your seventh grade life scienc explain bad diseas caus satan and good thing result god want you secret can creat amino acid sequenc lab and guess sequenc curl into helix wow that can happen supernatur forc wow take advanc scienc degre and million dollar state art equip and thought intellig creat build block life foolish peopl advanc scienc degre us state art equip and spend million dollar simul tornado tornado not requir intellig exist not that equip need not state art studi product not gener you want that read your post and provid respons send copi jim brown bmd trw can read dai and post slip will sincer rai ingl opinion not univers ingl engin umich edu michigan
alt.atheism	anecdot islam date apr gmt jon livesei livesei solntz wpd sgi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict mozumd incorrect that commit bad act peopl temporarili becom atheist jon not incorrect defend islam defend islam infidel you can and will dare critic you atheist argument petti sarcasm can temporari atheist whenev and temporari atheist can that good muslim never explicitli reject islam temporari atheism temporari islam temporari marriag stick teflon religion conveni and easi clean you expect bunch peopl can even agre phase moon
alt.atheism	god moral long thi kind argument cri for comment jbrown batman bmd trw wrote articl apr leland stanford edu galahad leland stanford edu scott compton write jim you origin wrote god not creat diseas respons for maladi newborn god creat life protein code mutabl and can evolv delv into deep discuss creation evolution god creat origin genet code perfect and flaw you evid for thi code onc perfect and degrad sinc evid favour thi statement shouldn perhap biggest imperfect code that full code region intron call interven code region exon impress amount evid suggest that intron ancient origin like that earli exon repres earli protein domain number intron decreas increas appear that intron loss can occur and speci common ancestri quit similar exon intron structur gene hand possibl that intron insert present logic difficulti intron remov splice mechan thi present unus intron insert intron insert requir precis target random insert not toler sinc sequenc for intron remov splice mrna conserv transposit sequenc leav trace long termin repeat and target site duplic and not found intron sequenc recommend read textbook molecular biologi and genet post theolog argument thi watson molecular biologi gene darnel lodish baltimor molecular biologi cell for starter rememb question pose theolog context god diseas newborn and answer likewis theolog perspect valid pure scientif perspect scientif perspect support evid theolog perspect fail fulfil thi criterion you misread mean god made genet code perfect that doesn mean perfect evolv sinc for wors you cite refer that support your assert your assert valid scientif perspect you support evid fact claim that parasit and diseas perhap import thought for instanc sex evolv defenc parasit thi view support comput simul evolut tierra perhap thought higher energi rai rai gamma rai and cosmic rai that caus damag fact thermal energi that damag mild and easili fix enzymat action atmospher time god creat life recollect biologist not claim that life began billion year ago that half billion year earth creat primit support life rememb figur billion year ago for origin life earth estim replac creat form sinc invok creator earth can form recent estim ag earth rang billion year and earliest sign life not true fossil organ stromatolit layer date back billion year thi leav billion year for cell evolv can give refer thi base evolutionari biochemistri attend dominion great feat for satan genet engin diseas bacteri viral and genet forc natur select tend improv surviv speci degener genet code offset thi you want thi true you evid for thi suppos degener can understand scott reaction excus thi fetch that you jest you pathogen you point mutat you that can come spontan respons your last statement and you you that and accept fact you cannot that hope you don forget thi evid that suggest can come spontan you evid thi conclus scienc not healthi sign doubt and disbeliev path walk evid you and not present conclus prior thi theologi not us thi method doubt come conclus human dna complex accumul error advers affect and abil fight diseas simpler dna bacteria and virus tend becom effici caus infect and diseas bad combin newborn that suffer genet viral and bacteri diseas disord you suppos purpos not valid move bacteria and virus not exist diseas anoth manifest gener principl evolut replic save replic degradi effici method for dna surviv and replic effici method didn make present and for last time present evid for your claim that human dna degrad evolutionari process peopl claim that opposit true suppress select and bound degrad haven evid for claim thi relev discuss answer john question genet diseas and bacteri and viral diseas requir babi develop antibodi god fault origin question not noth evil god fault your explan not work fail miser you fact that you don that satan not respons and suppos that power evil satan exist inconceiv that respons for ill that affect mankind don job pun intend problem satan explain diseas inevit product evolut that anoth bad infer you oversimplifi point that your summari word take context never that peopl meant god punish get diseas that free moral choic attend consequ mankind choos reject god peopl sinc begin not expect god protect advers event entrop univers not expect thi god exist expect leav alon hear you your choic free thi interest philosoph question and answer not clear cut consequ you expect reject allah admit not perfect work good librari bookstor good start point thi price tea china question provid answer biologi and genet fine subject and import scientif endeavor explain god creat and set life process don explain creation life subsequ evolut and your proposit that not support evid thi recommend book invok prime mover evid for thi univers can come into exist intervent recent cosmolog theori hawk suggest peopl insist thi scotti for your fine and sage advic not highli motiv learn nitti gritti detail biologi and genet find fascin subject for realiz that detail not chang big pictur that god creat life begin abil chang and adapt environ evid for your big pictur and creat that capabl adapt can come into exist suprem read atkin creation revisit freeman petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	islam dress code for women articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write women soul islam peopl that muslim that women not soul admit never heard such view held muslim era heard christian era hold thi viewpoint not muslim you you not confus christian histori islam histori suppos predomin view turkish caliph not awar turkish caliph viewpoint thi can you refer found quot due imam ali shia follow men never obei your women whatsoev never give advic matter whatsoev even everydai life freeli give advic and will fritter wealth and disobei wish owner thi wealth religion alon left devic lack piti and virtu carnal desir stake easi enjoi great anxieti virtiou libertin corrupt whore ag depriv charm untaint vice qualiti miscreant complain oppress oppress make oath ly pretend refus men solicit desir ardent beg god emerg victori evil deed and preserv case good quot ma qanawi ref bouhdiba sexual islam wouldn thi quot exemplari islam viewpoint for prophet cousin and fourth khalif hazret ali thi frustrat night woman selim guncer selim guncer jaca negra luna grand csser asu aceituna alforja aunqu sepa lo camino guncer enuxha ea asu edu nunca llegar cordoba fgl
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write that your mistak for children mother rais child thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point you claim that men stai home and rais child that fals made feminist that seek statu men you not recogn fact that men and women natur differ not physic mental bobbi question that your post aren sort extend elabor hoax you hard convinc entir civilis world that you feebl mind you talent for absurd thing sign for you print cut and put top your comput termin engag brain prior oper keyboard that admit laugh your stuff graham jenkin graham jenkin csiro csiro commonwealth scientif industri canberra australia research organis
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl daq fq austin ibm karner austin ibm karner write you german poster remark anti semit year sightse and roam come back kill palastinian and land back that casual antisemit can plenti wai critic isra polici insult jew jewish histori can you jon
alt.atheism	don innoc die death penalti jame tim psilink write maintain class and even prison place innoc peopl higher risk unjust death state execut class and occasion error higher risk kill kill mistak agre concept that type and murder massiv wast space and resourc don agre concept kill wrong you kill will punish you punish will kill you lack consist noth pretent
alt.atheism	islam dress code for women articl apr ennew ea asu edu guncer enuxha ea asu edu selim guncer write wouldn thi quot exemplari islam viewpoint for prophet cousin and fourth khalif hazret ali thi frustrat night woman that interest women reaction record frustrat night man that consid import jon
alt.atheism	creator articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write delet argument incredul not consid valid form reason sinc mediev time delet interest that you mention that argument incredul not consid valid form reason sinc mediev time quit agre atheist engag time read post atheist post state that cannot graciou and love god can such evil and suffer occur earth simpli cannot envis not true thi not argument incredul don you present argument incredul not present thi manner present form and cannot offer convinc explan not unreason for explan for such phenomena that theism not provid convinc explan not argument theism favor theism offer explan and even adher purportedli theism give explan god complex motiv and reason for action action simpli fix evil whenev and occur even occur and thi argument incredul rank high reason atheist gener reject god and christian god not experi experi common reason lack evid theism favor you mileag vari thi univers bane human reason and ration wit that easier logic fallaci inept reason part oppon oneself heck snide thi onc fairli easi attack argument that not made strawmen man wisdom put log your ey you remov splinter your neighbor ey sage advic sincer raymond ingl ingl engin umich edu appl hour doctor kliban
alt.atheism	polit atheist keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic wait commit crime not implant such devic potenti crimin communist and atheist don follow your reason you propos punish peopl commit crime justif you for thi mathew propos public defenc mechan not treat electron devic improprieti wearer that step you propos perman bug potenti crimin thi not surfac sound bad thing defin potenti crimin govern dai decid that member opposit parti make you potenti crimin openli defi govern becom lethal practic thi not conduc free societi mathew that implant electron surveil devic peopl improprieti that person type crime chanc recidiv basic you crimin justic system punish for offend and possibl deterr futur offend mathew see mean rehabilit for offend cynic you jeff
alt.atheism	satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write nanci ann miller write corrupt and theori pretti weak comparison current hebrew text version and translat show that text fact chang space two millennia thi shouldn that supris peopl text thi manner like make pain make good copi king jame mate wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god john burk jdb summa tamu edu
alt.atheism	islam marriag date tue apr gmt karner karner austin ibm articl apr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write articl qav austin ibm karner austin ibm karner write you want name name offici record pseudo marriag perform for conveni happen typic that woman will move lover scrupl legal contract speak man util loophol enter into temporari religi marriag contract order sex complain care perhap you alert your imam that thi practic widespread you take muslim men wit penetr decid practic exist you astound level ignor you displai muslim not allow enter temporari marriag that evid for outlaw practis your fact straight buddi give refer for you ly not widespread you fantasis fact contrari your fantasi not practis muslim you miss post thi topic quot indonesian handbook and fred rice comment temporari marriag will glad repost will you accept that practic muslim will you continu claim that ly and that not practis muslim don karner that ly sinc you noth thi practic you can contribut discuss accus ly perhap your ignor show learn islam learn muslim open your ey you will thing atheist
alt.atheism	don innoc die death penalti articl chrisb baarni chrisb tafe edu chri bell write kill wrong you kill will punish you punish will kill you lack consist not hold peopl will wrong you hold peopl will will punish you punish will hold you your will punish isn privat person anoth privat person for appar reason lead punish fine suppos jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl suopanki apr stekt oulu suopanki stekt oulu heikki suopanki write god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern premis and conclus not properli translat ident statement sinc statement predic ident translat predic letter design god and design jesu and predic letter for properti etern premis and conclus second premis appear ident case can properli symbol your remark that jesu subset god suggest that strict ident not desir premis mean that member make set god properti etern conclus follow jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl chrisb baarni chrisb tafe edu chri bell write jbrown batman bmd trw write syllog form thi logic valid construct your syllog form logic invalid construct and your comment don appli ident syllog valid predic second syllog invalid syllog you point valid whether predic design individu jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout student write roger colin shous write radic gai dogma claim not claim claim know doesn twenti instanc thi kind muddlehead fourth reich sophistiqu shit post fact not instanc count reproduc viru you word question thi respons weasel shous and stan krieger possibl studi dispassion and figur work rememb you learn combat clone into offic contribut your insight your favorit abnorm psych ward learn overcom your repugn for serial murder thi post total uncal for rec scout point rais and answer roger and state support bsa posit issu specif that homosexu behavior constitut violat scout oath specif promis live moral straight noth discuss cloud issu comparison black minor meaningless compar appl orang peopl can control race can control behavior possibl discuss rec scout thi issu includ bsa deni live and worship don doesn mean that bsa big bad wolf for adher recogn posit religi and moral standard societi establish and continu base stan krieger opinion advic suggest even unix system laboratori relat employ summit smk usl
alt.atheism	satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write pnanci ann miller write favorit repli you liter mind complaint that bibl inspir god and that import make damn translat and scribe and peopl interpret and copi get liter not put merit that corrupt and and man even origin inspir god pthe corrupt and theori pretti weak comparison pcurrent hebrew text version and translat show that text pha fact chang space two millennia thi pshouldn that supris peopl text thi manner pare like make pain make good copi corrupt time good that bibl construct year jesu death text merchant ow thi and ow that can liter word not intend for such nonsens author bibl not plager asian for content that can interper make sens
alt.atheism	american and evolut atheism incident and question god trivial matter great deal idiot forc belief enforc creation myth taught scientif fact school can moral moral god success presidenti candid that atheist shouldn consid citizen and couldn patriot thi nation god fundi parti that provid presid unit state america that can forc belief rest countri cetera that subscrib alt atheism and middl thi peopl aren mind reader pop alt atheism don concoct straw man reason don share belief you accept thi thi isn dig fundamentalist christian told alt atheism that reject allah proud embrac islam and that reject krishna ey close religi nut post alt atheism kind milit christian can accept that don share belief thi kind stuff talk religion misc belong atheism isn belief absenc belief god you problem thi bill pfirst that atheism fact belief beilief pbecaus belief you hold ador and faith atheist god thi cannot proven you except thi pfaith alon that belief secondli you complain pfundament christian forc belief you you don pmention atheist such madamm murri hare founder pof atheist associ austin texa and robert sherman chicago area forc belief rid god societi ban religi paint park chistma forc citi chang town seal mention god sherman slogan god trust american currenc you talk creation myth fact myth and tha phave concret evidec thi you pdon and that enforc point that your atheism belief christian thi not show isn pmark covalt real problem argument christian that ignor origin that asiat origin christian becom good ego centric buddhist suppos listen opinion speak not for place employ christ rate and will atf follow koresh current christ ascent heaven
alt.atheism	alt atheism faq introduct atheism addit faq atheist hospit recal correctli john hopkin built provid medic servic back religi group make hospit dedic glori weak atheism check thi brian evan bad mood bad mood bad mood bevan carina unm edu haven had sex virgin mari
alt.atheism	theist post articl aic nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write stuff delet concord for faq translat consid authorit orthodox commentari for faq faq for milit atheist and anoth for moder atheist you read faq you resolv differ interpret hmmmmmmmmmmmm can put question follow religion you moslem resolv differ opinion don that interpret quran read soc cultur newsgroup you will zillion interpret naren naren tekig pen tek standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write horribl death result atheism list kill name religion iran iraq war civil war sudan riot india pakistan massacar bangladesh inquist america million crusad that peopl can add lot list bobbi standard excus will not accept naren standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu write snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write horribl death result atheism quit horribl death result atheist and theist perhap sinc bit weak histori somon give list war caus led theist thi thread argu valid religi viewpoint utilitarian principl atheism religion wrong death underli moral that death wrong thi arbitrari measur valid epistemolog richard harlequin internet richard harlequin internet rptb cambridg phoenix janet zen buddhist
alt.atheism	radic agnost not repli zazen austin ibm welbon mean that can possibl prove doubt that god not exist mean lack thi abil absolut proof atheist becom act faith and and thi cannot accept accept noth blind faith invis pink fly unicorn harbor belief good evid for god exist not folk call thi agnostic not suffer blind faith don worri happi for atheist lack belief god secondari epistemolog consider accept reliabl know valid logic argument for exist god empir evid that exist philosoph and theologian agre that idea god that accept faith faith belief sound logic basi empir evid reliabl know noth peopl accept absenc possibl proof even agre els word faith mean that found thi person reliabl past judg like reliabl sourc find faith reliabl logic and empir evid assum will provid reliabl knowledg god differ atheist and theist fundament whether not faith held reliabl know agnost poster whether faith god god theist believ that faith accept basi for belief god even reject faith reliabl time for exampl work scientist atheist believ that logic and empir evid lead reliabl knowledg agnostic defens posit theism atheism sceptic regard knowledg evid god santa clau easter bunni point that atheist doesn requir absolut knowledg lack god don that such thing absolut knowledg atheism and simplest theori fit lack fact and held contrari evid found david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	keith ignor mam mous cmhnet org mike mcangu write wouldn start wait religi organ longer tax exempt beef you lobbi group you ask answer encompass tax exempt statu religi organ wouldn that wouldn that religion longer tax exempt wrong lobbi attempt influenc polit keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster mam mous cmhnet org mike mcangu write understand you order talk knowledg religion atheist immers religion that rare individu left you don understand that don peopl can discuss subject merit religion object thi obviou peopl that religion thi almost isn true you threaten motto peopl that us motto tool tool gun and ax tool us for murder that don motto misus warrant remov not thi case keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write somewhat agre come theist religion matter that religion drug onc us difficult that order experi religion necessarili blind faith and onc blind faith diffcult for you reason back atheism unreason peopl religion order judg ask peopl dy find death can judg death dead judg religion experienc peopl that religion bad account and that etc don total agre thi cannot religi folk act had not expos religion peopl help wai basic can not judg whether religion rout for individu even for gener popul can that not for person you can choos not us religion hard find benefit you state keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist mmwang adob michael wang write for rigor definit spend rest live argu christian believ don argu thi you that motto point that thi countri proud freedom religion and that thi that distinguish countri your opinion not share peopl gather perhap not that seek make govern recogn christian domin religion thi countri not infring right not share belief peopl not make govern recogn christian domin religion thi countri motto infring right not share belief and that govern recogn that christian domin religion thi countri mean don you realiz recogn thi thi isn that suppos teach christian that peopl person don motto major concern you agre discuss sinc peopl don associ christma jesu anymor don problem can you prove your assert that peopl don associ christma jesu anymor hear quit bit christma and jesu wouldn thi figur promin holidai associ high degre you that associ jesu person level and that think never talk that can you prove that peopl associ christma importantli jesu point that peopl associ christma jesu doesn matter peopl major not number matter take major major power discrimin doesn keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write probabl that automobil system will kill innoc accid asymptot close court system doesn automobil system can opt thi isn true peopl forc us automobil system don us choic wai get secondli make automobil system safe recogn danger innoc current exampl not make court system safer fairli easili replac fatal punish fatal punish that court system refin hundr year britain and countri make fair can made remov death penalti life imprison sound fatal punish keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist dace shrike und roi dace write keith allan schneider keith cco caltech edu wrote soldier depend religion for number purpos and doubt depend cocain don militari pai for coca field religion benefit combat situat benefit cocain keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass mv psuvm psu edu write peopl fanat propogand thi that thi conflict atheist and religi impress that outlaw religion contintu remov thing religi refer that not peopl ask perhap you you fundamentalist thi oppress not allow oppress you not shown you thi idea that peopl atheism religion winner can your groundless predict that thi will happen you haven into account propoganda rememb you ask german wwii jew shoudl slaughter answer propoganda machin roll toler you take small group fanat whip gener frenzi propoganda machin gear number issu includ abort and gai thing that happen pass amend intens scrutini and fail outlaw abort prime goal that issu yep sooo effect haven manag outlaw abort due object court manag creat quit problem for peopl that want abort creat similar problem for and wors can stop abort block clinic etc imagin stop atheism margin error larg you talk two peopl your that your opinion branch and inform survei half dozen and you question unbias keith you claim that question bias minut post answer agre ask remov motto christian portion express regret loss point that motto will not work express desir rape murder pillag etc you basic claim you convinc individu you convinc room nation for atheist portion express disgust motto note harass christian us motto justifi and glad never support that minor problem that can easili contrast happen like christian design motto motto jesu you that refer christian christian wrote christian that religion and wrong includ religion realm correct doubt that religion meant includ not clear religi convict franci scott kei motto can attribut clear that believ god and sure christian that you don that you that christian activ despis religion that met haven and don christian that queri think mean and not peopl faith christian popular suppos you peopl ask hindu moselem and jew and that applic can that peopl that pretti accur represent faith good idea assum that dissent view issu you assum that view and noth lead thi conclus evid contrari doubt that dissent opinion you claim provid evid for your assert and don access congression record can compar christian nazi interest sens that can convinc chang belief motto monei doesn cost you extra you abolish motto pai di and plate redon peopl paid chang motto you show that good reason chang doubt that us plate for year print thi make easi remov motto simpli make year plate your claim evid that will pai extra provid evid for thi assert you that redesign plate each year your argument conveni delet that motto cost lot monei thi not correct read didn mention jesu issu distinct religion and not religi and not religi motto refer god religi motto question whether not christian you doubt thi provid evid for thi assert that religion thi countri and religion ussr that quot and includ atheist gener don that quot lost mention jesu advoc religion religion specif religion not mention you miss thi point that motto didn that motto doesn impli your belief doesn that trust form god that nation thi obviou not includ thi doubt your claim that motto refer christian base fact that christian religion wrong and that motto written christian doubt your claim you that christian that religion outlaw wrong that silli flat earther wrong don advoc banish base thi idea doubt that addit expens even incur remov motto provid evid for your claim that that such cost insignific mention slight cost you that motto cost lot monei currenc disregard digress motto us for harass and purpos found for not remov motto gener don purpos don remov benefit outweigh consequ and you vote opinion you that main reason motto requir law bother atheist you that thi major congress time had mind you show opinion peopl put that concern you concern opinion entir congress not that complet major share purpos confront godless commun thi motto not major that put gener public not anti atheist intent peopl daresai peopl rememb time kei wrote anthem rememb debat surround motto rememb that peopl intend messag atheist don you includ thi your survei that you conduct you claim that scientist claim doubt thi provid evid for your assert scientist probabl that einstein rel worthi mean einstein good chanc that time for court method scientist us can appli not agre court default good record you not agre time you that decis good evid favor point you you didn agre court allow congress attempt make amend prohibit flag burn you don realiz that thi extern realm court power can confid that you court power mean you don court work can you particip discuss court judg can speak congress and you ignor abort gag rule you make your claim abort that inappropri for suprem court justic testifi congress consider constitut amend and order for court rule case present mushroom flower tree build sign analog that find offens present doesn mean that right violat talk put peopl keith not mushroom caus that mushroom exist you find thing offens mushroom farm mushroom can plant and don mushroom pizza thi not case motto and you ignor harass result motto and you ignor that line peopl forc put motto forc put motto you mean keith
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit suopanki stekt oulu write apr mst jbrown batman bmd trw god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern isn logic merced car that girl merced that girl car your phrase ambigu write carefulli two possibl thing call merced car that girl call merced that girl car that valid piec logic deduct not sound statement fals similarli hold that jim exampl valid not sound anoth interpret you wrote exist car call merced that girl call merced that girl car isn valid mathew
alt.atheism	polit atheist keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic wait commit crime not implant such devic potenti crimin communist and atheist don follow your reason you propos punish peopl commit crime justif you for thi ironi keith mathew
alt.atheism	polit atheist keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger tiger not sentient push into pool dolphin and attack inclin blame dolphin person push dolphin not aggress and develop brain and capac for abstract thought matter fact tiger rare attack human human provok cage small that count provoc mathew
alt.atheism	polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write almost that zyklon and painless method death not insert soem form and ethnic and minor group kill mutil and extermin histori guess not unusu you agre that holocost allow constitut punish doubt reciev consid fair trial standard don happen japanes citizen world war you prepar round peopl and stick concentr camp trial short step gass trial that nazi origin intend imprison jew final solut dreamt partli couldn afford run camp devast caus goer total war weren gass gener di malnutrit diseas mathew
alt.atheism	atheist dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl manti toni lezard toni manti write delet opinion that strong atheist posit requir belief for comfort strong atheist care comment human come idea spiritu parent artifact human thought evid for that quit overwhelm and inform content conceiv vanish word god make sens and explain phenomenon religion god concept useless and don introduc assumpt order show that leap faith requir for your mileag vari fulli agre that don god exist god exist mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka point hing you word mean thi bound definit strong and weak atheism faq atheism character absenc belief exist god atheist and that god not exist refer weak atheist posit and strong atheism import note differ two posit weak atheism simpl sceptic disbelief exist god strong atheism posit belief that god not exist not fall into trap assum that atheist strong atheist mathew introduct atheism version last modifi apr faq clarifi pin thi notion belief can toni lezard toni manti toni manti uknet thing toni manti nsfnet relai last resort arl phx cam pgp public kei request
alt.atheism	polit atheist mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write you mean circular not recurs that semant recurs problem horribl ineffici assembl programm tail recurs function scheme effici iter loop doesn program assembl will heard optim compil mathew
alt.atheism	anecdot islam edu jaeger buphi edu write deletia don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict delet mention chop hand punish for theft saudi arabia assum thi wouldn and assum peopl fit your requir for muslim find highli like you convinc bobbi mozumd that muslim chop peopl hand come back you succeed disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	fundament contradict visit jw jbrown batman bmd trw write will determin word god creat consciou be abil choos moral choic independ god will free will not repres paragraph thought hop strike contradict fabl lucif fall recal specul base biblic text rcism show that benedikt point lucif had perfect natur had free will choos evil that choic come genesi that ev offer opportun sin tempter assum satan lucif discov invent creat call action you will that god had not origin bibl mention lucif free will make big fuss mankind free will strike fact rationalis and fact salvat not that christian ident mind salvat and free will tightli coupl theologi roman cathol theologian explain lucif fall lucif had perfect natur man fall execut act that contradict natur and effect evil exist for time lucio lucio proxima alt tab stop
alt.atheism	atheist toni lezard toni manti write opinion that strong atheist posit requir belief for comfort strong atheist care comment can strong atheist outnumb alt atheism weak atheist cost repudi faq made strong weak atheism issu context alt atheism continu attack basi that strong atheist exist god separ valid cover ars that infinit grei area weak and strong strong and unattain mathemat atheism logic can support weak atheist posit effect strong atheist and mathemat justifi strong atheist posit show that evid present favour god scrutini faulti read faq correctli argument for exist god gener repres mainstream theologian found unassail thi adequ evid that real god undefin definit found watertight turn accept suffici base disbelief each and conceiv god fuzzi edg opinion perhap chang thread subject lucio lucio proxima alt tab stop
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write rushdi case legitim thi issu rushdi action had effect islam countri that not simpl that didn commit crime islam countri simpl person commit crime countri border time commit doesn matter physic manifest for instanc hack into nasa am research lab and delet file commit crime unit kingdom author prosecut law law automat thi net author put pressur site holland holland had anti crack legisl and view hacker haven system administr similarli compani call red hot televis broadcast pornograph materi can receiv britain broadcast britain commit crime not broadcast denmark british govern powerless spite appar law break not lawyer wrong confusingli countri not mathew
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write case prostitut man and prostitut punish public quit sever delet gregg you cannot lenient and punish sever public except impli almost matter that depend statist and punish public power for exampl noth islam men rape women time blow rapist head public call that lenienc wouldn you you that exampl not lenient end argument and chop hand head peopl not lenient appear that you intern claim legal system check suit descript and wasn argument that take men rape woman islam law don approv prostitut and custom word punish violat right and punish sever public anoth pointer hysteria connect sexual religion you even don can you give answer that you evid for your opposit claim thi case don accept complex ridden view orient goatherd forget that west histor sexual neurosi orient goatherd intellectu fact memori serv and will connect primit machism orient and islam peopl agre sex fine and assum that god clue detriment effect supress huh heard aid you that god evil diseas exist bla bla you miss point aid spread sex necessarili spread sex futher point import point urg for sex stronger fear aid even stronger religi attempt channel forbid sex consequ suppress sex wors consequ aid note that idea that end aid sex not control complet counterfactu and sinc you brought point your god evil not benedikt
alt.atheism	biblic rape articl apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write didn time read rest post had respond thi absolut not messian jew anoth mistak read alt messian carefulli benedikt
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr midwai uchicago edu shou midwai uchicago edu write articl dhinn dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write bigot never conced that bigotri irrat peopl determin that examin argument expect you set wonder world bigot whomev you thi comfort for you imagin never entertain argument your belief system simpli accus person make bigot thi thread vituper slop venom into alt atheism spend time entertain argument belief system resort accus bigotri somewhat iron that exposur bigotri happen thi instanc origin rec scout sinc understood scout teach toler and divers understand bigotri irrat prejudic peopl happen race religion ethnic background sex inconsequenti characterist evid that sexual orient and lack belief god exactli such inconsequenti characterist pend evid conclud that show prejudic such peopl bigot and organ that exclud such peopl discriminatori jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl tinn senat bedfellow mit edu bob thnext mit edu robert singleton write delet will argu that your statement that god exist rest faith that you make posit statement that god exist strong atheism don and don and don not weak atheism onc not god that god not exist maintain posit even read faq that strong atheism requir faith us view you that drive car requir faith that car drive for conclus and faith premis and argument us languag problem regard faith and exist christian maintain that god not exist exist mean space and time god not god kierkegaard onc that god not exist etern thi feel pointless debat call exist god and that not that god sourc and ground you that god not exist accept thi statement mean two thing follow will us phrase exist god usual sens and thi sens that you clarif you mean exist god that word game term god us you us definit your thing commonli accept you defin god and that not exist exist not exist interestingli that exist exist indubit statement god exist wast time exist us and replac god you impli case your definit and your argument incomplet make fallaci delet can never prove that god not exist you that you god not exist and that thi opinion base observ will observt you refer observ pro con that valid establish posit belief delet that follow aren observ base assumpt that exist and wouldn you level definit that assumpt god meaning not reject that concept your evid for that god meaning level benedikt
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape thi frai thread turn into patent alt atheism ping pong game and don strong disagr stick thing don quit follow argument that contradict argu that bibl enlighten for time closer moral good base standard and past experi hand hope thi summar thi argument adequ and hand articl apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write articl phpe inn dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write disclaim speak jewish perspect bibl mean call testament and interpret not necessarili raw text court case commentari and tradit pass jewish commun thi crux you judg bibl long line tradit and interpret come current dai merit cultur artifact will correspond close contemporari valu that bibl us todai shouldn that judg peopl us scissor cut paper shouldn consum report test scissor for paper cut abil even scissor design origin cut cloth that possibl good judg us bibl teach jewish moral todai fair claim that thi highli interpret version enlighten for time attempt extend analog thi that origin scissor maker unusu advanc paper cut for time even cut cloth and had never even heard paper not argu that bibl disgust histori depict modern standard histori full similar abus and don biblic account wors contemporari possibl our hand don reason histori describ bibl show abus contemporari our that complex and benign moral tradit evolv base mythic interpret that histori interest don fair that long tradit interpret and us attack condemn origin histori jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	polit atheist mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist you forc live rapist will case part respons can accept that rapist hypnot view sole respons for action not necessarili rapist such for instanc you intention stick your finger into load mousetrap and snap fault keith
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point bobbi you priceless you that polici bobbi post give damn flick thread high speed search for post bobbi gener pile followup and extract hilari quot inevit present for sig purpos work for for gui arriv and ask whether bobbi for real you betcha alt atheism and rest assur that get wors pearl wisdom bobbi reproduc below keith keep big file such stuff allah infinit wisdom univers creat noth and allah exist bobbi mozumd prove exist allah wait you that human rare reason doesn that contradict atheism explain logic and reason thi contradict atheism that prove fals bobbi mozumd prove exist allah believ contradictori quran for allah not exist bobbi mozumd prove exist allah and thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point bobbi mozumd islam rigor alt atheism mmmmm qualiti and quantiti voic islam pbuh cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr cbnewsl att stank cbnewsl att stan krieger write point rais and answer roger and state support bsa posit issu specif that homosexu behavior constitut violat scout oath specif promis live moral straight defin moral straight and don even that straight us impli hetersexu behavior straight slang word opposit gai thi alot famili valu talk misteri thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr cbnewsl att stank cbnewsl att stan krieger write roger and state support bsa posit issu specif that homosexu behavior constitut violat scout oath specif promis live moral straight noth discuss appar not respons claim that terrifi gai peopl not indoctrin children lifestyl word that effect roger calm carefulli written detail letter explain simpli bsa polici terrifi not us inflammatori languag and left extrem open for answer not receiv answer can conclud that roger consid posit indefens simpli not worth defend cloud issu comparison black minor meaningless compar appl orang peopl can control race can control behavior fact that exactli point peopl can control behavior that fact for blanket ban homosexu possibl discuss rec scout thi issu you tim pierc ust tele madr twpierc unix amherst edu del asesino que graciosa bitnet twpierc amherst pedro almodovar
alt.atheism	biblic rape articl apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write delet thread biblic rape initi david hunt post articl feu xsf kpc andrew cmu edu david hunt bluelobst cmu edu write pretti biblic rule for allow rape prison code that etc knowledg soul refer ask narrow question and gave narrow answer that wrong apolog delet david hunt post didn mention god respons you bring idea bibl god jew don thi liter sens fun met minor and god refer action god god effect rob not intim jewish theologi understand that you messian jew correct wrong appear that view messian jew metaphys that major jew jewish theologi quit distinct christian god view heard that for jew attribut evil god for christian bibl effect interact god man delet thought agre that jew disagre set core belief that agre that command access and written languag time and anoth that legal system updat context metaphys even process adapt command not transcend justif process lie metaphys specualt you break shackl metaphys your system delet you explain thi respect origin command discuss that command that you feel rape woman prison you wait and marri thi command invalid book that command commit genocid reprehens deed context repuls and foul plai imo invok rel enlighten passag exampl for content book big delet point that that connect theologi you us and interpret bibl loos interpret bibl base long tradit jewish scholar interpret bibl theologi doesn enter into jewish atheist interpret law chariti essenti not interpret law interpret bibl exampl that sodom and gomorrha mean argu god idea that metaphor and you argu god that mean that alon theo logic question proof theologi us you pose anoth metaphys riddl you you wrote thi fine major spirit absolut power absolut knowledg and appear limit mean will commun form spiritu big friend you admit that god thi context somewhat unusu assumpt that cannot creat univers and that passag bibl refer that omnipot crap that meant riddl import question light for instanc passag witrh sodom and gomorrha mean connect text fact that exist and your interpret pure arbitrari question carri burden biblic text simpli write book that convei messag you answer that can becuas peculiar biblic inform lost that hold true book and question remain bibl special place can replac bargain danger content bibl messag that includ delet you danger metaph us bibl danger danger frozen system law law wors system not not system delet read two stori import help poor and god spirit and god bodi import help poor resolv contradict corpor natur god read two stori bibl that god command peopl kill children for idolat and anoth god kill children directli import resolv messag that children kill god and argument you fallaci not import context you find god corpor not can crucial question religi believ resolv contradict that choos possibl arbitrari and advantag attribut decis god cannot resolv question statement good good depend question benedikt
alt.atheism	atheist articl epvk manti toni lezard toni manti write delet word god make sens and explain phenomenon religion god concept useless and don introduc assumpt order show that fulli agre that don god exist god exist mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka point hing you word mean for god exist and don god exist word that statement god interfer thi world fals meaningless ontolog can fairli conclud that exist meaningless not exist pragmat definit truth exist meaningless make exist even logic fals problem such statement that can disprov subject god definit and case subject god even make sens troubl god definit that includ form object exist consequ god affect believ deriv interfer life delet faq clarifi pin thi notion belief can honestli don problem benedikt
alt.atheism	sex allow marriag ration islam marriag mar ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write case that wrong world will end peopl start believ islam and that horror mankind caus lack belief atheism for last time bobbi lack belief your god not impli atheism moslem aren moral not mean don god name allah allah not thing your allah moslem believ that god exist theist not true follow islam murder victim year caus atheism poverti massiv hate crime such low respect for human bodi distrust peopl wrong caus atheism peac jerk bobbi mozumd sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	motto mania mathew write prefer mark jason dominu suggest that motto chang mind your fuck busi thi era aid isn fuck interest semi propos motto recent gloriou state maryland state state song refer abraham lincoln tyrant peopl wound state motto inherit calvert fatti maschii parol femin you read italian manli deed womanli word that effect state not long ago had women repres thi repres problem offici solut chang translat mean strong deed gentl word person suggest chang walk softli and carri big stick wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit good grief amount energi spent lousi syllog volum for true posit reason thi group wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	benediktin metaphys benedikt rosenau write great author contradictori cannot exist contradictori properti languag correct thi thing defin contradictori languag not exist will object definit realiti you amend thing describ contradictori languag not exist come plainli fals failur descript failur descript not objectivist rememb wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	gospel date you requir amount evid that pair bluejean and superhuman power us argument that us natur and claim that you cannot superhuman power you human superhuman power human and sinc you human power you not human you cannot superhuman power sound good you evid question depend context thi group sinc you post american colleg site will that you pair blue jean and assum coher your posit will that you not superhuman power argument evid respect you exist sic jesu assum that you mean man special power etc yep will agre that that man call jesu fact live fact will agre that man name jesu reason that wasn man good claim extradinari virgin birth virgin sens not sexual intercours resurect son god etc claim requir extra evid extra evid don start evid cannot evid for cynic thi group accept for second foundat religion claim risen jesu back dai period believ and discount thi group sinc ancient choos dismiss thing metaphys relationship even agre argu length mean don evid interpret extraordinari claim claim statement that speaker will not accept evid matter wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	remark admiss jon livesei write not attempt distinguish flavour christian loudli claim true christian obviou that you don attempt you awar that don loudli claim true christian avoid phrase not christian ownership issu phrase nicen christian attempt identifi vast major christian roughli similar viewpoint core theolog issu jw not fall thi group and fact espous posit arian reject nicen church and virtual wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	gospel date benedikt rosenau write argument follow oid quot john not almost codifi matthew luke consid similar point knowledg such and not sourc assum you present accur don thi argument lead firm conclus materi john not exactli refer for grant similar matt luke materi almost relationship two john get straight jesu mouth talk date text not ag author usual explan for time order mark matthew and luke not respect ag matthew read text mark and luke that matthew and that mark version usual theori heard matthew and luke independ reli mark and that luke reli matthew wouldn grate inconsist geneolog for thing assum that john knew content luke text evid for that not overwhelm admittedli thi part that that you point refer grate haven info hand late earli and possibl shed doubt order put john rest close gap suppos write and exist copi quit bit origin copi can written and surviv becom probabl and don step remov sourc that bad luke and mark and matthew learn stori directli dicipl cannot sort big transform jesu gospel that peopl posit new report gener get inform thi and john dicipl noth that john discipl not gener accept style and languag togeth theologi us counterargu not impress theologi argument point thi and point earlier cannot make argument peter reason not accept authent letter step and gener remov bad even time compar that report similar event centuri almost illiter societi analog report talk particip not bad word not origin mark and argument base mark pretti weak statement divin not that section and case agre that import epistl predat mark wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	yeah benedikt rosenau write and that revel thing charlei you talk thi intellectu engag revel risk take peopl that concept metaphys and religi knowledg contradict not objectivist not impress problem conceptu problem thi case bad that explain quantum mechan and rel term ordinari experi can rough understand languag perspect ordinari phenomena inconsist and perspect describ inexact charit analog situat supposedli obtain metaphys problem that descript languag not and case hold reliabl inform can you show you establish that thi word reliabl essenti meaningless context you can show reliabl can determin wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	radic agnost not articl apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye wrote repli zazen austin ibm welbon mean that can possibl prove doubt that god not exist mean lack thi abil absolut proof atheist becom act faith and and thi cannot accept accept noth blind faith invis pink fly unicorn harbor belief good evid for god exist not folk call thi agnostic not suffer blind faith don worri happi for atheist lack belief god secondari epistemolog consider accept reliabl know valid logic argument for exist god empir evid that exist philosoph and theologian agre that idea god that accept faith faith belief sound logic basi empir evid reliabl know you expand your definit know bit monolith not that you intend that don for exampl distinguish know equal appl appl equal appl french know that jerri lewi auteur and mean socrat thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel thi epigraph perhap issu learn absurd merit explor gene
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write person object that find capit punish cruel and unusu punish circumst can painless isn cruel and occur frequent sinc dawn time unusu don issu number singl innoc life innoc die due you singl accident fals execut issu keith
alt.atheism	yeah articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write for year period ask charlei wingat explain thi mythic altern ration propound enthusiast pop month reluct explain that not hot time that altern that you caught and altern point ration isn altern problem metaphys and religi knowledg unsolv human cannot solv altern you basi whatsoev for your claim usual line you call prejudg atheism and disput that reason you admit that you altern basi for claim that reason that reason inapplic religi knowledg possibl that reason conflict religi knowledg thi sound can provid ration defens for belief prefer discard ration accept that fals hope make you happi your repeat and unfound assert thi effect don advanc your jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	yeah articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write benedikt rosenau write and that revel thing charlei you talk thi intellectu engag revel risk take core question suggest scenario will grant that god exist and revel commun human revel take form paraphras your word thi infinit power deiti grab poor schmuck make dictat and hide for hundr year exist human not person experienc revel thi person observ that not revel element that contradict strongli aspect observ world thi person mutual contradictori claim revel base thi can thi person blame for conclud absent person revel that almost noth thi revel thing not objectivist not impress problem conceptu problem thi case bad that explain quantum mechan and rel term ordinari experi can rough understand languag perspect ordinari phenomena inconsist and perspect describ inexact charit analog situat supposedli obtain metaphys problem that descript languag not absent thi languag and absent observ support claim revel can blame for doubt thing drive thought long time thi come honest conclus that deiti noth propos religion that familiar happen christian god will held account for such honest mistak sincer rai ingl ingl engin umich edu meek can earth rest star robert heinlein
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual pkqe inn lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write delet point nutshel opinion that pre marit sex make likelihood extra marit sex probabl opinion extra marit sex help break partnership and lead greater divorc rate thi turn opinion creat trauma and stabl environ for children opinion like grow psycholog problem such depress etc and sex marriag long run harm societi that you draw link sex marriag noth adulteri onc commit into marriag issu commit you not foist pain your spous and confid you addit marriag busi not mine and not wit strong relationship that incorpor extra marit sex agre your assert children children not wit such confus relationship adulteri stress adult assum gener can expect children understand evid for opinion moment gener can cite for exampl read that centuri percentag youth and peopl gener suffer depress steadili climb western societi read refer usa similarli can detect trend greater occurr sex marriag thi centuri western societi sexual revolut even that sexual revolut not gradual weaken christian and christian moral teach sex marriag propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder reason trend obes and trend depress you can pick your two favorit trend notic correl and make sweep statement gener mean you can and peopl that not mean that valid reason thesi gross oversimplif push pull factor peopl experi argument propos plausibl argument extra marit sex person truth main purpos for post show that plausibl argument can made extra marit sex thi stage not that thi viewpoint proven that that plausibl convinc you thi point view lot work research thi field etc order gather evid simpli not time note that that extra marit sex prime opinion gener greater level psycholog problem depress western societi not prime prime signific contribut thi trend you you view simplist you forgotten thi admit that factor that extra marit sex and imo subsequ destabil famili signific factor rise psycholog problem depress western societi thi centuri fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual ednclark kraken ednclark kraken itc edu jeffrei clark write cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write reason trend obes and trend depress you can pick your two favorit trend notic correl and make sweep statement gener mean you can and peopl that not mean that valid reason thesi gross oversimplif push pull factor peopl experi basic social interact chang factor societi complic for control hold panic handl and hope that head for soft land thing for depress and destruct nuclear famili not due sole sex marriag note that never that depress and destruct nuclear famili due sole extra marit sex specif that prime thi not prime thi recogn that factor that extra marit sex and subsequ destabil famili signific factor rise psycholog problem includ depress west centuri fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	sex allow marriag ration islam marriag apr proxima alt lucio proxima alt lucio write daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write point view that argument sexism bad simpli not hold give you exampl permit woman temporarili leav job due pregnanc that allow happen sexist women nevertheless despit fact that sexist complet support such law fred you exasper sexism racial form discrimin obviou physic cultur differ deni portion popul right anoth thi context your exampl hold water whatsoev discrimin deni men matern leav fact quit convinc that experi male pregnanc for such futur father leav medic ground argu thi week ago men and women physic physiolog and psycholog recent evid for thi statement present book brainsex ann moir and david jessel recommend you find copi and read book overview recent scientif research thi topic and referenc women and men wai law can adequ into account area take into account wai men and women matern leav exampl thi take into account that women pregnant not give women rule give men treat women treat men thi instanc unjust thi simpli obviou exampl men and women intrins peopl make naiv argument that sexism oppress matern leav sexist men not pregnant men not access leav that women not extent degre and sexist matter man pregnant and matern leav never can and law sexist man can access matern leav matter hard pregnant hope thi clear matern leav exampl sexist law sexism reflect sexism natur make men and women differ men and women subtl pregnanc and find recommend you book brainsex your point that perhap dai men can pregnant fallaci men can dai becom pregnant will biolog becom women womb and factor requir for pregnanc wrap definit woman your argument examin fallaci you that men can sexist matern leav privileg that women can becom women support statement that matern leav sexist discrimin come woman deni opportun legal determin sexual inferior understand religi sexual discrimin and doubt that islam except femal not allow into priestli cast and gener subjug that aspir right equal human entitl offici priesthood islam thi function islam scholar femal islam scholar and femal islam scholar exist islam exampl earli islam histori prophet widow aisha recogn time and recogn time islam scholar matter sweetli you coat part role religion histor serv function oppress femal whether forc procreat extent opportun for improv deni access facil male offer you evid for your blanket statement religion and disput and women islam etc recent repost head islam and women your new site suggest you read repost soc religion islam disappear alt atheism soc religion islam forgot origin titl will email you you roman cathol church blatant culprit istitutionalis celib clergi religi woman attempt escap role child bearer and wrath god descend your statement that religion statement base simpli lack knowledg religion christian and perhap judaism accept your affirm that islam grant women right men you can show that muslim woman can aspir posit khomeini and artifici religi social obstacl path achiev thi aisha mention earlier not islam scholar stage militari leader show equival hillari rhodam clinton islam and discuss issu you prophet wife di hijra prophet journei mecca medina success businesswoman lucio you cannot make strong case for your viewpoint your viewpoint base ignor world religion fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write discuss pro and con sex marriag person that part last partnership men and women that thi help provid stabl and secur environ for children grow delet addit chri faehl post homosexu islam viewpoint homosexu not norm for societi cannot islam viewpoint homosexu not research fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	benediktin metaphys articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write benedikt rosenau write great author contradictori cannot exist contradictori properti languag correct thi thing defin contradictori languag not exist will object definit realiti you amend thing describ contradictori languag not exist come plainli fals failur descript failur descript thi descript object that time euclidean squar and euclidean circl hold that object satisfi thi descript exist descript inconsist and describ object that not exist suppos point bicycl and that object time euclidean squar and euclidean circl thi not mean that bicycl not exist measn that descript incorrectli appli atheist descript god that present contradictori and describ that cannot exist your posit can gather that god exist descript atheist present simpli bad descript thi roughli analog never bicycl and for descript peopl claim told that euclidean circl squar can blame for doubt strongli that thi bicycl exist not objectivist rememb kid sincer rai ingl ingl engin umich edu meek can earth rest star robert heinlein
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write for gui arriv and ask whether bobbi for real you betcha alt atheism and rest assur that get wors pearl wisdom bobbi reproduc below keith keep big file such stuff misplac diskett last coupl month effort bobbi replenish quickli recent favorit satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit good grief articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write amount energi spent lousi syllog volum for true posit reason thi group agre spend energi nonexist god satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	evo homosexu princeton etc bill had clear thi good evolutionari argument homosexu don qualifi articl vwn darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write wainwright eczcaw mip nott wrote delet odd homosexu had evolutionari function delet time man sex woman intend produc children hmm world overpopul you monti python song sperm sacr and you purpos mean limit popul growth your arguement natur context talk evolutionari function basic requir evolut that member speci procreat don purpos that context guess social insect ant bee etc breed queen and passel steril worker huh dai ain true peopl can decid whether not children and will choos sex that anoth arguement lifestyl decis your arguement sinc homosexu can not choos not reproduc akin peopl decid sex not children unnatur each anoth sequitur sex evolutionari function that exist for procreat that recreat incident that homosexu don procreat mean that sex recreat and noth serv evolutionari purpos refer you bonobo speci primat closelei relat human chimpanze that close sex time homosexu heterosexu group find food sex sleep night sex escap fight prdator sex sex serv import social function and reproduct thi speci speci close relat human indic that sex perform social function human even not thi show that such function not imposs sincer rai ingl ingl engin umich edu meek can earth rest star robert heinlein
alt.atheism	vonnegut atheism yesterdai chanc hear kurt vonnegut speak univers hampshir vonnegut succeed isaac asimov honorari head american humanist associ vonnegut atheist and asimov asimov funer vonnegut stood and asimov heaven ignit uproari laughter room peopl speak time funer funniest thing possibl room full humanist vonnegut yesterdai lectur vonnegut come speak your univers highli recommend even you never read novel opinion greatest live humorist greatest live humanist humorist peac dana
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write clarifi muslim mean muslim gener call muslim and not outwardli profess clear contradict essenti teach islam consid muslim thing contrari islam ignor for exampl not suddenli not becom muslim knowingli transgress islam teach and essenti principl leav islam you and bobbi sit and decid exactli islam post zlumber not muslim evil muslin can evil evil suffer temporari athiesm member claim muslim stori straight satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	request for support articl apr sei cmu edu dpw sei cmu edu david wood write you respond articl includ similar answer question pose you charlei challeng agre satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	bill conner articl mlr darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write you explain thi pertain thi posit statement type practic and you name you thi relat and bill you explain pertain thi posit statement type practic satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl jvigneau apr ulowel edu jvigneau ulowel edu joe vigneau write bsa taught don toler met thi gui thought gai fari bsa taught antibigot give testimoni experi scout back issu wasn gai principl for put testimoni stan krieger and kind thi discuss doesn belong and intoler accept posit scout notic bsa hijack religi core valu surviv spite leadership and scout and scout haven testimoni thi remind that scout worth fight for cautionari note you realiz that your experi thi camp leader bsa you put risk public word leak bsa gestapo bill mayn
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout wainwright eczcaw mip nott wrote jim thought that homophob word us act ralli didn beleiv real peopl us agre term definit homophob activ and militantli attack homosexu latent homosexu hostil conceal true orient sinc disapprov condemn homosexu homophob your implic clear necessarili follow that men latent homosexu bisexu crap crap crap crap crap definit type phobe come phobia irrat fear homophob not act meet word appar gener us perhap isn bibl wouldst thou prefer commun thou bilespeak arachnophob irrat fear spider agoraphob irrat fear wide open space you understand english phobia will react will avoid and that not will strike run gaybash occur natur process peopl defin homophobia will run gai peopl violenc isn that you take issu your remark parenthet mine and add noth odd homosexu had evolutionari function limit popul growth sinc evolut occur member gener pass trait subsequ gener homosexu evolutionari deadend your usag term homophob sens you intend men homosexu and evolut speci time man sex woman intend produc children hmm world overpopul you monti python song sperm sacr and you purpos mean limit popul growth your arguement natur context talk evolutionari function basic requir evolut that member speci procreat don purpos that context anoth point that offspr each gener surviv particip parent famili exist sinc homosexu not reproduc cannot constitut famili sinc major humankind part famili homosexu evolutionari abber contrari natur you will that true your arguement homosexu vanish year ago due procreat parent singl parent famili put babi cold co your arguement die your argument homosexu genet determin your second point you prove that you idea context mean talk evolut preserv speci fundament premis process get wors sinc overwhelm major peopl prefer heterosexu relationship homosexu social abber homosexu eschew biolog imper reproduc and social imper form and particip fundament social element famili wait read expect you ten children famili grow dai sex procreat admittedli pleasur pre pill and pre condom dai you had sex chanc produc children dai ain true peopl can decid whether not children and will choos sex that anoth arguement lifestyl decis your arguement sinc homosexu can not choos not reproduc akin peopl decid sex not children unnatur each anoth sequitur sex evolutionari function that exist for procreat that recreat incident that homosexu don procreat mean that sex recreat and noth serv evolutionari purpos sinc homosexu come closet and convinc polici maker that civil right claim that sexual prefer life style orient choic that protect law homosexu mere choic and contrari natur and anti social pervers choic even credibl promin peopl peopl peopl you live life you god fanci date pretti obviou dodg you you you feel oblig respond statement not tell demonstr that argument practic homosexu provid altern lifestly that not homophob that can call pervers context even atheist can understand realiz that thi come danger close establish and that atheist compel object that basi you consist you case thi regard character opposit homosexu homophob ignor compel argument legitim homosexu life style sinc charg intend intimid demogogueri and not fact jim persuas argument for suppress homosexu thi start crap your argument base outdat ideal likewis bibl honest christian condemn ten gener spawn bastard etern damnat crush peni accid not deuteronomi your comment pertain you disguis can mention ideal date your argument reactionari you contribut homosexu exclud particip scout reason us restrict teach logic homosexu deviat social and biolog sinc adult role model for child incumb parent ensur that child isol child harm thi case harm mean primarili social that extend easili you show sex that describ normal and will hat puma basebal cap you man meat anoth man poison thi you pick singl point that you find offens and explain your object that you can discuss thi issu intellig bill
alt.atheism	fluid liquid west wam umd edu brian west write delet similar analog can made glass for you don glass liquid your scienc teacher and flow delet your scienc teacher tell you glass liquid scienc teacher glass supercool fluid not liquid high temperatur definit liquid includ readili take form contain accur don want peopl creationist uunet tektronix sail mikec cranford uunet tektronix sail lab tek mikec princip troll arpa mikec sail lab tek relai net resid skeptic csnet mikec sail lab tek teklab tektronix
alt.atheism	gospel date articl vyfu darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write keith ryan kmr cwru edu wrote wild and fanci claim requir greater evid you state that book your room blue not evid you claim that two head leapard your bed and don mean male lover leotard keith issu truth consequ proposit argu irrelev issu consequ such and such true truth irrelev disagre proposit amount evid and support can miriad factor for each individu quit requir level evid point histori import fussr not comrad state that own pair blue jean evid live unit state time such statement rais eyebrow individu wear busi suit etc degre effect world and strength claim determin amount evid determin level evid relev consequ proposit consequ proposit irrelv explain not accept electro magnet forc attract two charg particl invers proport cube distanc apart rememb consequ law not relev can not us experiment evid disproof consequ law incongru law and state affair incongru thi law and natur law irrelev theoriz truth law that consequ proposit irrelv includ consequ contradict contradict state affiar judg true not alon find truth truth defin insert convers explain truth truth that for even truth never possibl find concept meaningless satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape articl jxd darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write coupl thing your post and thi thread that confus atheist for thing can understood process natur exclus for recours divniti describ explain purpos direct for event requir physic chemistri biologi etc random noth determnin thi post contain fallaci respond abolish divin requir elimin freewil you not shown thi you not even attempt exist omnisci elimin freewil mortal post month ago refut give reason reason satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	gospel date articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write delet cannot evid for cynic thi group accept for second foundat religion claim risen jesu back dai period believ and discount thi group sinc ancient choos dismiss thing metaphys relationship even agre argu length mean don evid cooki charli claim that jesu discredit extraordinari claim that don match evid thi case for that gospel cannot even agre jesu zillion spook stori and even religi context evid resurrect elabor argument made not pass your post filter interpret extraordinari claim claim statement that speaker will not accept evid matter evid strict mean actual evid part noth claim charli invis pink unicorn your standard evid for ipu benedikt
alt.atheism	contradict articl oi clj austin ibm yoder austin ibm stuart yoder write univers you theist cannot understand that insid univers and univers two place put god univers and you subtract abil interact insid univers put insid univers and you impos rule physic god univers thing univers not abil interact insid univers god cannot interact insid univers basi whatsoev you posit knowledg thi corrallari negat contridict not complet model physic rule govern insid univers expect that contradictori event like destroi fabric modern physic hand your notion omnipot omnisci and infinit benevol god not subject physic law you attempt explain thi describ measur measur mean can measur effect realiti cannot interact ergo your god irrelev god measur measur mean can measur effect realiti god cannot measur effect realiti basi whatsoev corrallari negat contradict satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	ontolog benediktin metaphys articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write contradictori cannot exist contradictori properti languag correct thi thing defin contradictori languag not exist correct stand will object definit realiti you amend thing describ contradictori languag not exist come plainli fals failur descript failur descript you miss point thing defin contradictori languag not exist exist meant conclus drawn descript wrong possibl find describ and draw conclus direct knowledg describ anoth possibl drop contradictori part that impli that can trust concept present and that not doubt sourc not objectivist rememb thing directli sens includ form model us model contradict model not approv remain question contradictori can sens contradictori import point that manag resolv contradict forc not us refer contradictori part draw conclus will fall garbag garbag trap benedikt
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi refer delet move thi thread articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl phkf inn dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write rushdi understand muslim fact that british citizen not preclud muslim rushdi atheist us local terminolog not put word mouth time write tsv and time fatwa februari born muslim fairli muslim explicitli renounc islam never explicitli renounc islam extrem doubt exist god muslim legal intellectu issu islam put simpli not muslim not accept charg apostaci never adult life affirm belief and not affirm can not apostas islam state that can coercion matter religion muslim respect horrifi idea that belong faith pure virtu birth and that person freeli chose not muslim put death salman rushdi good faith god satan paradis and hell vanish dai fifteenth year quit abruptli lost faith and prove found atheism bought tasteless ham sandwich and partook for time forbidden flesh swine thunderbolt arriv strike that dai thi thought wholli seculat person salman rushdi god trust rushdi affair discredit islam ey khomeini fanat and fring element religion even appar moder muslim particip refus distanc witch hunt rushdi thi true khomenei motiv quit irrelev issu fact matter that rushdi made fals statement fiction line fact and fiction life mohammad function illiter absolut concept natur such thing accept reluctantli mob pakistan not you present fiction dream dement charact cannot wildest stretch imagin consid reflect actual mohammad wors doesn present mahound moham charact wors light secular histori islam lewd misrepresent life that wive that peopl rush defens consid absolut fool for write satan vers don hold back consid apost and blasphem not for write satan vers for peopl accept propagandist version contain that book find singl muslim convinc that read book initi claim shown knowledg book superfici newsweek stori impart and made factual misstat event book you understand reason thi origin concept satan vers penguin paperback rafiq zakariyah call mohammad and quran ey for counter propos suggest that you vike hardcov salman rushdi call satan vers perhap you understand jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl twso ileaf mukesh ileaf mukesh prasad write articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl ainn matt ksu ksu edu strat matt ksu ksu edu steve davi write bskendig netcom brian kendig write earth evil satan rule thi guess sinc wit bother impli that satan omnisci you trick into that satan know and us that statement show belief contradictari satan not omnisci hold dominion earth christian theologi note not confus theologi standard theologi creat satan and orthodox christian theologi state that god creat lucif satan angel want be celebr glorifi exist and life and therebi god why and wherefor god motiv for creat angel not big issu christian theologi god creat lucif perfect natur and gave angel free moral will lucif high angel perhap highest great author that great caus begin pride and desir equal greater god forgot place creat exalt god and therebi evil and sin enter creation stori that lucif refus bow man god command lucif devot god yeah noth genesi that snake snake talk had leg time don point contradict stori show error theologi supernatur entiti kick human paradis bit into fruit that gave special power not respond reason and logic brian
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write discuss pro and con sex marriag evid for opinion moment gener can cite for exampl read that centuri percentag youth and peopl gener suffer depress steadili climb western societi read refer usa similarli can detect trend greater occurr sex marriag thi centuri western societi sexual revolut even that sexual revolut not gradual weaken christian and christian moral teach sex marriag propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder fred rice muslim give point view daric yoyo monash edu thi big leap sex depress exampl sex depress promiscu declin depress not and reason depress promiscu depress like come emot problem relationship famili job friend and promiscu us escap sinc marriag civil and religi bond emot bond don problem sex not marriag long you commit and devot expect marri coupl thi opinion brian
alt.atheism	yeah articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write and that revel thing charlei you talk thi intellectu engag revel risk take not ration intellectu mad qualifi intellectu engag peopl that concept metaphys and religi knowledg contradict not objectivist not impress problem conceptu problem thi case bad that explain quantum mechan and rel term ordinari experi can rough understand languag perspect ordinari phenomena inconsist and perspect describ inexact charit exactli scienc mathemat represent natur languag not suppos replac elabor represent mathemat terminolog suppos truth oppos represent god religion ordinari languag admittedli not religion fanci side effect inept represent etern hassl religion and for make experi that will lead result that will agre similar show similar religion analog situat supposedli obtain metaphys problem that descript languag not effect that model present useless and can argu that that reason metaphys flourish make statement that can verifi falsifi show that bogu and case hold reliabl inform can you show you establish that thi word reliabl essenti meaningless context you can show reliabl can determin haven you read post reliabl and can acheiv determin benedikt
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law psilink robert knowl psilink write date sat apr gmt fred rice daric yoyo monash edu ivt cfj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write british blow skyscrap don you you impli that person accus blow wtc and that islam teach blow wtc wtc world trade centr build that blown make comment person accus innoc proven guilti rememb secondli hole accus that read for instanc gui us that van blow build and back and claim deposit back incred stupid perhap salamen uneduc muslim hear nevertheless appar smart put togeth sophist bomb doesn fit togeth salameh not person involv fellow chemic engin work for alli signal had specif studi explos devic school not radic muslim type studi thing thi univers for price freedom read fellow told salameh put togeth phone bomb supposedli sort sophist type put assum complic sophist bomb togeth instruct phone brain expect despit thi attack and threat mosqu and muslim unit state consequ accus read thi happen live and heard mosqu attack mosqu houston texa and can verifi thi great jewish media conspiraci keep know thi heard mosqu attack desert storm ventur quiet local jersei read thi articl australian muslim time newspap weekli australian muslim commun thi true perhap muslim base north america thi post can elabor islam teach teach harm innoc qur explicitli teach harm innoc even time war blow wtc and harm innoc blatant contradict islam teach thi mean absolut noth plenti peopl commit violenc valid religi principl peopl post thing koran misinterpret that explan you us uneduc muslim harm idol and unbeliev thing muslim that muslim that islam teach harm innoc and suppos you word that never happen you consequ allah strike alleg violenc occur not muslim commit violent act and hide vers koran pretti hip that trick and even doubt that will come trial defens that muslim and islam teach not harm innoc peopl kill not innoc set bomb your honor you rememb sir muslim allah power allah not allow thi you insult religion great defens admit that incred stupid violent muslim world and stop hide that fact good deni make reason muslim protect bad can you that don deni thi fact thrust argument that salameh law innoc not found guilti court law guilt not establish wrong for peopl make post base thi assumpt islam teach not harm innoc muslim perhap not realiz that islam teach thi perform such action not teach islam spite and contradict teach islam thi import distinct clarifi muslim mean muslim gener call muslim and not outwardli profess clear contradict essenti teach islam consid muslim thing contrari islam ignor for exampl not suddenli not becom muslim knowingli transgress islam teach and essenti principl leav islam term muslim contrast min mean true believ whether muslim realiti min god and perhap that person you will not find term min us muslim alt atheism not and god whether for exampl true believ not for exampl put show and realiti opposit write know muslim mean outwardli profess follow islam whether practic ignor transgress islam teach muslim not necessarili mean min true believ islam fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	gospel date mango umd edu charlei wingat write david wood write extraordinari claim requir extraordinari evid thi high falutin don you you make meta argument case you wrong invis pink unicorn exist jesu not extradinari claim respond histor accuraci biblic claim exist jesu and that not even mention post you want complain that miracl attribut constitut such claim and won argu that issu wrong that exactli issu back and read context includ post and you mean that you kind respond your question for answer charlei challeng your claim that not varieti dishonest dodg that feel fool person dave wood
alt.atheism	and anoth thing mango umd edu charlei wingat write keith ryan write you will ignor critic your logic incongruenti your stanc you will not answer question valid opinion and fact you state start that not and respons reason continu not argu version posit cannot argu your version your posit includ charlei challeng your claim flat lie last week you claim that you not answer challeng you turn includ text you want your context includ articl not come thi contradict make entri challeng post bloodi thing that you written relat thi thread and will pleas post back posit you forgotten that you leav electron paper trail net thi usual theist approach matter time argument disproven shown applic sequitur crop time time speak sequitur thi and sauc for goos disproof fallaci repeat and such law natur argument post recent not chang subject wouldn finish thread question you begin dave wood
alt.atheism	period post charlei challeng addit thi version challeng addendum summar charlei respons date thi post made period attempt encourag charlei wingat address direct challeng evid speciou claim continu post period answer publicli that won answer stop post alt atheism alt atheism commun tell stop total bore apolog for somewhat juvenil natur thi approach loss figur anoth crack intransig and intellectu dishonesti thi post charlei can notic that you fail provid answer substant question that rais respons your previou post submit that you don answer you cannot answer run afoul your logic and onc challeng you prove wrong make task easi for you present concis statement question that you fail answer hope that you address time for you fail answer reason time period will post thi articl suitabl addit and delet such time that notic post you anoth topic will repeat thi procedur you address outstand challeng you ceas post thi newsgroup apolog advanc you answer question previous and your answer miss notic you can kind post mail such articl will pleas publicli rescind challeng question and remov thi list question claim that atheist fit into neat psycholog pattern that you propos semi retract that claim state that you weren refer atheist ask you name atheist you feel don fit your pattern show that you not refer atheist that you awar you fail question can you name poster not fit into your stereotyp context for question thi not true for thi board and you line assum that you delet text that didn mean impli that experi line whether not you mean make such implic you repeatedli approach issu anoth viewpoint can you name atheist that you come across not fit into pattern that you theoriz you umbrag statement effect that sens and reason and press you impli that altern call revel repeatedli ask you explain revel and can experi and interpret revel sens and reason you fail question can you explain revel and can experi and interpret sens and inher reason context for question revel not reason and revel reason not show that revel exist second revel not perceiv sens exactli perceiv webster revel act reveal commun divin truth such thing can reveal commun sens you can interpret thi revel reason that your brain interpret you sens for human interfac univers sens interpret reason your brain thi simpl truth you anoth mechan interfac mean share you cannot escap fact that entir interfac univers sens and reason period thi indefens simpl truth challeng you show mystic will agre thi assert and common defens redefin sens absorb for instanc mystic experi beg question whether sens you broadest definit sens make thing easier for you show that mystic experi exist rememb you aren allow testimoni mystic sinc you dismiss testimoni unreli you taint bia onc mystic thingi absorb show evid that human can recogn and respond short interpret that person reason capabl challeng you show thing you cannot you give fight reiter you not explain your interpret your experi not for attack point fact specif challeng you explain thi revel stuff that you talk and note for record that you declin challeng sens interpret and thi sens and interpret occur conduit sens and reason abil you answer question that straight heart your claim you can answer your claim speciou you state that claim dispassion analysi made poster unverifi and fantast ask you identifi such claim that made you fail question made claim that unverifi and fantast repeat context for question david wood sensit and intellig wrong post likewis refer unverifi fantast claim repres fairli accur reaction claim dispassion analysi that repeat thi group give your address and pleas send you dictionari fail that can you name claim that made that sens unverifi fantast demand that you retract thi statement you cannot offer evid you follow your usual pattern ignor challeng you simpli asshol you dismiss claim atheist that atheist result reason you state that accept axiom reason that couldn becom atheist ask you explain contradict your respons statement that question incoher opinion not share that ask atheist theist you fail answer question question you retract your claim that poster not becom atheist result reason despit testimoni that effect you don retract that claim you retract subsequ claim that accept axiom reason inevit result atheism context for question quot bunch peopl claim that posit base reason atheist prove second quot not can accept axiom and not end atheist point view you claim that you not answer challeng contain includ text previou post you impli that you wouldn respond put word your mouth clarifi thi contradict question you prefer respond challeng that includ context your post that paraphras your posit order avoid includ text context for question you ordinari rule that don read articl line articl noth includ text screen not rule moral practic not argu version posit cannot argu usual your respons await anticip dave wood for record below compil charlei respons challeng date thi make sens appear utter incoher answer question wood imagin wood not subscrib opinion that gauntlet thrown net requir respons whatsoev point read and respond your articl and not ordinari rule that don read articl line articl noth includ text screen not rule moral practic left don respond utmost list thing avoid argument argument meta argument call start that not and respons reason continu not argu version posit cannot argu
alt.atheism	polit atheist halat pooh bear jim halat write object moral exist that flavor moral approxim onc natur object moral fairli easili defin long you goal mind that purpos thi moral not quit get you mean thi object moral oxymoron definit goal orient issu thi subject natur don you word object goal not subject for instanc goal natur moral propog speci perhap wasn intellig anim that revis thi intellig anim and moral suit bit complic law jungl don that actual subject you and object assum that ideal such system carri complet keith
alt.atheism	request for support request for charlei wingat respond charlei challeng and judg mail quit you clear that wingat intend continu post tangenti unrel articl ingor challeng last two post challeng note perhap dozen post wingat answer singl challeng unmistak that wingat hope that question will and level chang subject that thi common net theist tactic suggest that impress desir for answer manner ignor futur articl wingat that not address challeng answer explictli announc that refus you respond articl includ similar answer question pose you charlei challeng not humili want honest answer you wouldn that honesti devout christian you nevermind that rhetor question dave wood
alt.atheism	gospel date articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write assum you present accur don thi argument lead firm conclus materi john not exactli refer for grant similar matt luke materi almost relationship two john get straight jesu mouth argument john codifi version logia and not origin assum that weak that john origin refer text that logia codifi version place argument alon not firm conclus fit into date for gospel talk date text not ag author usual explan for time order mark matthew and luke not respect ag matthew read text mark and luke that matthew and that mark version usual theori heard matthew and luke independ reli mark and that luke reli matthew wouldn grate inconsist geneolog for thing not necessarili luke trust version knew version matthew improv matthew give motiv for instanc theori that luke matthew base statist analysi text assum that john knew content luke text evid for that not overwhelm admittedli thi part that that you point refer grate yep will anoth dai sourc hope your german good haven info hand late earli and possibl shed doubt order put john rest close gap suppos write and exist copi quit bit origin copi can written and surviv becom probabl not copi chang date john that john discipl not gener accept style and languag togeth theologi us counterargu not impress theologi argument point thi and point earlier cannot make argument peter reason not accept authent letter possibl and evid authenc letter discuss conclus not drawn pet dogma church fall step and gener remov bad even time compar that report similar event centuri almost illiter societi analog report talk particip not bad newslett polit parti report big meet not necessarili wrong bad word not origin mark and argument base mark pretti weak statement divin not that section and case agre that import epistl predat mark accuraci tradit anoth problem question letter not paul and predat mark claim divin jesu benedikt
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl tinn senat bedfellow mit edu bob thnext mit edu robert singleton write delet will argu that your statement that god exist rest faith that you make posit statement that god exist strong atheism don and don and don not weak atheism onc not god that god not exist maintain posit even read faq that strong atheism requir faith us view you that drive car requir faith that car drive not thi requir faith part car drive drive fact driven requir faith belief that sens give accur represent evid pro con for exist exist god below thi for conclus and faith premis and argument us remain skeptic don conclus that you evid that god correct lack evid for exist evid for exist creationist similar mode argument disprov evolut establish creation you person never neutrino exist pink unicorn analog break and naiv scientif theori that explain appear anim life evolut draw conclus that pink unicorn don exist haven thi conclus foundat observ and theori pink unicorn exist qualit similar entiti that sinc good evid that life earth evolv primit ancestor pink unicorn share common anscestori hors and zebra and such god such correspond imo physic frame work observ draw conclus languag problem regard faith and exist christian maintain that god not exist exist mean space and time god not god kierkegaard onc that god not exist etern thi feel pointless debat call exist god and that not that god sourc and ground you that god not exist accept thi statement mean two thing follow will us phrase exist god usual sens and thi sens that you clarif you mean exist god that word game disagre you profoundli thi haven defin god exist fact haven defin god thi get subject you relev can come back god exist wast time exist us and replac god you impli case your definit and your argument incomplet make fallaci you wrong categori perhap you misunderstand make argument and offer definit fallaci not convinc you and that rest faith and inappropri appli categori logic thi realm tell you that can logic prove god that evid us logic disprov claim fine and btw incomplet argument not fallaci thing not even wrong delet can never prove that god not exist you that you god not exist and that thi opinion base observ will observt you refer observ pro con that valid establish posit belief delet that follow aren observ base assumpt that exist don follow you can make observ thing that didn exist maintain that cannot us observ infer that god not exist such posit assert requir leap and wouldn you level definit that assumpt god meaning not reject that concept your evid for that god meaning level onc you complet misunderstand evid that god meaning level such respons you gave come natur you peopl run privat concept god your throat not thi argu and thing that make posit assert for can principl evid for requir leap requir faith you theist form atheism that can respect found honesti benedikt bob singleton bob thnext mit edu
alt.atheism	second law albert sabin joel hane jjh diag amdahl wrote connor assert that complex paleontolog simpli incorrect lineag structur lost for exampl snake lost leg cave fish lost ey speci almost complet lost male kiwi descend bird function wing joel statement made illustr inescap anthrpomorph qualiti descipt evolutionari process evolut can describ explain term teleolog that point even reason understand evolut biologist for instanc tend personifi natur and can limit languag natur natur bill
alt.atheism	gospel date keith ryan kmr cwru edu wrote wild and fanci claim requir greater evid you state that book your room blue not evid you claim that two head leapard your bed and don mean male lover leotard keith issu truth consequ proposit argu irrelev issu consequ such and such true truth irrelev bill
alt.atheism	gospel date jim perri perri dsinc wrote bibl god that true atheism mistaken pretti obviou socrat god that true your monoth and atheism mistaken even socrat never exist jim you come late discuss part began benedikt question histor acuuraci make point that standard us valid secular histori that us discredit histori virtual noth centuri you that bibl cannot true speak exist god fact your object noth histori anoth statement atheism bill
alt.atheism	not omni charlei wingat mango umd edu wrote enlighten omnipot contradictori definit that can occur univers govern rule natur god cannot break that god allow rule omnipot cannot exist contradict rule natur omnipot god can chang rule you definit exactli defin not omnipot you that rule natur pre exist that not defin natur that you mean hear your thought question bill
alt.atheism	knew prudenti juncol juniata edu wrote arriv home joseph advantag mari had speak word thi couldn mari highli religi follow that decid hei that god impregn will trustworthi and honor soul believ and jesu child born violenc dave can you explain purpos your post can imagin you thougt meant bill
alt.atheism	allah akbar and prais lord maddi hausmann madhau netcom wrote and lord that bill connor return set straight can die happi lexu wipe that rain slick curv rest you had straighten your time even limit you flu maddi you you glad visit won stai long thi time shop bill
alt.atheism	dear theist pixi andi bgsu edu wrote for problem technolog caus your type made thing even wors remind inquisit oper rescu klux klan poss comitatu club david duke salem witch trial crusad gai bash etc virtual each and singl war level technolog had theistic organ cheer carnag chaplain etc and claim that god favor ordeal don forget prai for troop thi tediou bad thing that happen malefactor influenc religion that pretti gener opinion want that atheist not that dishonest stick fact and accomplish that interpret correctli bill
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape jim perri perri dsinc wrote xenophobia facto and jure implement legal system widespread bibl not egalitarian specif preach kind stranger and emphas book ruth that foreign can join nation and give rise great hero nation altern american strike strang thi stori that even consid issu jim coupl thing your post and thi thread that confus atheist for thing can understood process natur exclus for recours divniti describ explain purpos direct for event requir physic chemistri biologi etc random noth determnin thi includ human intellig and product noth requir that life evolv that acquir intellig happi accid for atheist event can prefer anoth anoth naturalist sens and thought event can product intellig acquir environ teach train observ and experi and signific individu mind resid mental process and imag produc for electr activ and noth content consequ human mind respons natur forc water run hill can atheist judg basi for critic valu ennumer bibl purpos imput god ground can behavior reliogi condemn that judg valu that motiv action you standard conduct measur natur can serv that purpos law natur can you invok establish your valu sinc event and exclus physic event differ possibl make religi can mean gradat atheist can object behaviour admit that object subject and that doesn that judgement prefac disclaim that noth matter person opinion and carri weight absolut sens that you don god told peopl noth god god command that electr event your nervou system that creat emot state that your mind coupl pre exist thought set form that reaction that your object found due you condit truth content your intellectu landscap illus virtual realiti didn make rule inher naturalist atheism and consist you accept signific human thought even your thi you exclud discuss valu wrong goood evil etc and cannot particip your opinion bibl can weight whatsoev bill
alt.atheism	bill conner you explain thi pertain thi posit statement type practic and you name you thi relat and bill
alt.atheism	islam dress code for women dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write delet peopl religion and that thi not exactli come peopl religion noth exist perspect religion perhap can that tend converg truth point that lot harm meantim and that converg counterfactu religion split and diverg even true religion core layer determin happen practis and quit inhuman you post suppos answer don will repeat religion harm peopl and religion don converg split give disagre and lot disagr toler toler ideolog split give disagre and lead intoler you oppos ideolog don your argument argument religion point weak human natur big delet women soul islam peopl that muslim that women not soul admit never heard such view held muslim era heard christian era hold thi viewpoint not muslim you you not confus christian histori islam histori suppos predomin view turkish caliph refer you for thi new that women spiritu equal men can shown vers qur for exampl qur for muslim men and women for believ men and women for devout men and women for true men and women for men and women patient and constant for men and women humbl for men and women give chariti for men and women fast and deni for men and women guard chastiti and for men and women engag god prais for god prepar forgiv and great reward qur abdullah yusuf ali translat quot quot show that men and women spiritu equal and that women soul men not impli that soul not soul and not that quot high prioriti interpret approach qur intellig think approach qur cannot interpret vers and that women and men spiritu equal that vers impli that women soul make sens for soul forgiven great reward understood life usual answer case part for god prepar forgiv and great reward soul make sens that thing soul can forgiven idea soul for your that quot not high prioriti interpret think approach qur give vers qur equal prioriti that muslim belief qur revel god fact deni truth part qur suffici consid disbeliev islam quit similar you post even quran not encourag slaveri not justifi that iit forbid put end slaveri sequitur approach qur intellig and thought thi fashion that can understand quran messag book finit length cannot explicitli answer question you want put teach can guid you that women spiritu equal men and unambigu impli vers and that sinc women can forgiven and reward soul vers understand qur teach wai can misinterpret ignor thi passag that passag misinterpret qur base ignor thi vers that vers infinit interpret fulli consist limit discuss interpret consist text peopl can ignor thi bit that bit for that show peopl can twist islam for end not deni reflect true teach islam whatsoev fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag apr ennew ea asu edu guncer enuxha ea asu edu selim guncer write you not bernard lewi write label zionist such discredit etc you misrepres selim hard evid for statement lack object present quit book orient edward edward christian not muslim pretti object treatment race and slaveri middl east sinc distinguish slaveri islam and practic slaveri countri prior civil war not conceal that vers quran promot liber slave doesn and don can deduc vers that slaveri will eventu abolish islam countri you conveni blame practic slaveri muslim fact fail relev claim lewi zionist wrote bernard lewi zionist polit motiv for give misrepresent and half truth islam read orient edward evid for fact post isn long encyclopaed inform can access that slaveri abolish date year muham that thi tension ottoman empir arab slave trader and govern etc asu librari volum british document slaveri report and document slaveri world can found check incid lewi mention don polit stanc documentari evid haven read lewi articl can comment directli and spoken write gener that polit motiv make bias writer islam anti islam polem understand quit subtl and base tell half truth read orient edward not ask you trust fact urg you not thi book book and check evid for issu rais that slave us for sexual purpos claim that islam prohibit extra marit sex wrote that prophet had concubin wrote incid prophet advis not want concubin pregnant etc contrari notion that sex for procreat word such claim baseless quran and hadith slaveri realiti oppos practic muslim oppos islam slave for sexual purpos necessarili oppos unsucces get you islam not advoc slaveri slaveri exist institut centuri advis slave freed for good deed etc noth cultur thi good thing problem can argu rightfulli that slave discourag think status polit quran reward good slave obei your master and perhap dai you free understand that not commun muslim sinc assum quran god and rule base system impos societi for preserv statu quo slave part thi system subordin women that function societi boil child make part thi system etc understand your point view selim not get you point you repeat answer women made post post thi subject show that islam not anti woman etc you complet ignor post miss repost good titl islam and women repost soc religion islam thi disappear your site email tell and will email you copi thi excel articl imho your understand issu women islam sadli defici slave post slaveri second made repost articl wrote earli last year base complet qur and contain numer qur anic vers and hadith support point view approach you argu histor standpoint and argu directli teach qur and hadith peopl muslim and perform action that automat mean that action part islam even oppos qur and sunnah not give you concret exampl clarifi thi for you qur prohibit drink person muslim and proce drink bottl beer thi mean that islam teach that peopl drink beer not and idiot you point natur that author author quran had idea that socio econom structur advoc experi two paradigm shift year western cultur end feudal era and rise commerc second industri revolut rule chang and statu quo driven muslim countri into miseri surviv heathen world muslim countri fail econom unabl accumul wealth directli due uncomprimis econom rule quran fact rise islam can easili model pyramid effect you not produc wealth home increas your wealth conquer place you judg islam capitalist term capit ideolog base larg assumpt that peopl want maximis wealth thi assumpt opposit islam teach islam bad not capitalist pretti unthink islam not pretend capitalist and not capitalist thi not mean that islam not support free market for gener part capit oppos islam understand thi stop you and left bare open for emperialist devour capit industri poor social servic educ level muslim countri lowest world health statist miser etc can postul numer reason for thi your theori that islam not secularist and capitalist etc etc selim will give you clear histor exampl show 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alt.atheism	nicknam articl apr zeu calpoli edu jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu john munch wrote mathew faq can rememb last name keith lie talli sig ryan kent finn tastic sandvick cindi popsicl toe kandolf jim face sig tim simon clip that theist clippendal umar reason khan rob argu strom dave buckminst fuller maddi never post hausmann hei affection nicknam for you wrongli spell surnam cheer kent sandvik sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write atheism deni exist god thi logic bankrupt proof thi nonexist joke thi favorit fallaci point atheism belief that you can deni that you can prove doesn exist thi easili nail show that infinit number be conceiv not observ exist thi mean that poster object be that haven prove not exist stop god huge number be ident ronald reagan for trivial differ miss finger blond hair and live planet can reason atheist bring thi that christian vest interest unknown be except god fine peopl shoot foot and mock idea god classic atheist fallaci shoot foot radic muslim crusad inquisit common exampl that atheist bring mark religion weak fool can that drivel grand daddi human atroc stalinist movement twenti million peopl kill thi leadership proudli featur atheism big differ stalin didn that stood for moral posit murder and terror etc and opposit religi movement honest killer thi not support stalin attack thi viewpoint that atheism support murder and violenc man tyrant and atheist bad logic russian that help stalin that weren atheist don contradict your point your point assum that atheism relev murder peopl thi common assumpt that atheist can life theist you didn support agnost not funni reason sens funni that exist god unknow thi bit assumpt that atheism arrog and pompou and anoth point you didn faq atheist doesn hold posit view that god doesn exist exist posit belief exampl strong atheism god not exist posit belief weak atheism don god neg belief not that never thought idea god life technic atheist not kind that you call unreason thi set suppos that person huge set idea that will repres capit letter and peopl that idea exist real object not santa person not believ santa idea santa notic that even anoth idea thi mean you lot case christian god atheist strong atheist weak set agnost indetermin peopl afraid undecid anoth featur human natur undecid not sexi trendi glamor word not inspir hate conflict not blasphem not polit fact mean unsophist nietzsch onc that man will nonexist not will darwinist put thi that human prefer indecis not surviv trait evolut drill posit even fals bake timmon iii
alt.atheism	christian moral vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl jt new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak you base ignor couldn that wrong wrong fall into trap that you mention wrong god free time correct mistak that continu not supposedli proclaim undi love for etern soul speak volum volum that speak fact that leav your choic you for trap you not posit that don god not you can motiv you that earnestli search for god for year and never found agre that presumptu for side give psycholog reason for anoth belief mac bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
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alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost post thi wonder parodi peopl post read faq laugh for good minut part faq that weren mention two don thi wasn joke not readi hear that brendan
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape bill conner bil okcforum osrh edu wrote coupl thing your post and thi thread that confus atheist for thing can understood process natur exclus thi definit not includ atheist faq for invok divin spiritu explan make big differ claim that thing can understood natur process and claim that observ not requir postul divin intervent spiritu for that matter human not omnipot and scienc scienc advantag theologi doesn correct natur judg delight scientif inquiri reveal consist simpl pictur univers scienc longer bunch separ branch particl physic psycholog and aspect life univers safe stern and stoni ey not even conscious for recours divniti describ explain purpos direct for event requir physic chemistri biologi etc random noth determnin determin indetermin philosoph question and scienc cannot whether thing superdeterminist not question not mean individu human be appar free will illus not perspect bill can you for whether you free will not thi includ human intellig and product noth requir that life evolv that acquir intellig happi accid intellig histori earth speci control biospher thi can result numer happi accid genet machineri blindli replic and preserv even that machineri can result principl system that can start replic will surviv don don make recommend read for atheist event can prefer anoth anoth naturalist sens and thought event can perspect event and thing subject perspect natur not valu not perspect valu aris awar subject perspect easi assum that peopl and posit will eventu discov golden rule moral not necessarili gift heaven fact product evolut perhap awar ourselv sens ident help plai role and make respect ident bill you read aristotl ethica nikomakhea for starter can atheist judg basi for critic valu ennumer bibl purpos imput god ground can behavior reliogi condemn that judg valu that motiv action you standard conduct measur natur can serv that purpos law natur can you invok establish your valu lewi tell that thi argument main reason abandon atheism and christian argument sever flaw valu such golden rule can ration basi basic idea want live root brain wire lewi real possibl that natur select favour altruist behaviour and moral human evolv and build and tool kill each logic necess that evolut favour knew us tool not peopl bibl reveal quit nice that moral earli jew not thi simpl set rule hold peopl togeth god god not care peopl nation time thing quit jew rule empir and longer simpli ignor gentil situat requir moral and religion born mutat meme pool sinc event and exclus physic event differ possibl make religi can mean gradat atheist can object behaviour admit that object subject and that doesn that judgement prefac disclaim that noth matter person opinion and carri weight absolut sens you haven bother read philosophi whenev observ subject point view exist and happi even that result physic event and happi observ come absolut object sens that observ subject moral judgment lose mean not for simpli exist point view thi includ god valu person judgment not absolut truth sinc such truth not exist fact that peopl not deliber want hurt manifest fought for exist social be can and exist moral not properti human alon chimp dolphin and speci show great care for each dolphin sometim save human drown good deed that you don god told peopl noth god god command that electr event your nervou system that creat emot state that your mind coupl pre exist thought set form that reaction that your object found due you condit truth content your intellectu landscap illus virtual realiti last statement not logic follow fact reason thought can model realiti and sens can convei reliabl inform solips logic possibl not like you continu mix two view subject point view share and object point view not exist observ thinker person point view not matter whether thi point view result physic event not not ceas subject observ point view valu not exist pain pleasur beauti love such thing inher subject onc god wive submit husband even make leap faith into unknown punish don disagre moral not moral come suprem remov moral mean make zombi machin singl thought god gave moral judg disagre not fault free replac moral cannot point give moral system disagre and mad thi god schizophren thi you exclud discuss valu wrong goood evil etc and cannot particip your opinion bibl can weight whatsoev can opinion god for that matter cannot understand subject opinion thing made matter credibl opinion thing made bill note absolut valu independ includ god god subject viewpoint point view and moral petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write refut noth simpli tell you childish propaganda and noth refut bcci not islam bank thi post noth islam bank tire thi infantil garbag simpli evalu such you flesh bit miss full grandeur content virtu blind atheism you difficulti light you your head your ass suggest make thi not case post time for your lesson debat gregg yeah begin includ text vice new tek uunet psinntp wrldlnk usenet sun apr pdt notic post thi topic soc religion islam and sinc topic bcci not islam bank come left mention bcci bank call bcci adapt koran rule bank thi bibliographi bennett neil bcci adapt koran rule bank time august gui write piec titl that impli case that thi you support posit you intend respect gregg question and even manag includ refer head firmli engag ass your excus thi support noth reason that thi piec anoth anti islam slander job respect for titl for real content can thi articl want true can you bcci not islam bank spend time respond propaganda respond thi sub thread don feel deep make statement effect that propaganda fals discuss issu glad real discuss provid refer etc gregg
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that you and david koresh claim christian
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi find encyclopedia volum hitler adolf had peopl german enamour moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourk clive come retract foreskin misconcept jame triniti colleg dublin and appli wire brush enlighten geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
alt.atheism	pope jewish west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write pope jewish guess and thought that thing head fanci hat not jewish headpiec don rememb name clear clear mud that headpiec chort crl nmsu edu sourc newswir vatican home genet misfit michael gillow note geneticist reveal unusu data work undercov vatican for past year popehat advanc bone spur reveal gillow groundshak report gillow had secretli studi innermost work vatican sinc return vietnam wheel chair approach scientif commun theori late hat thing that cover vatican didn want cathol commun realiz leader heft kilogram extran bone tissu top skull note gillow report laboratori vatican that experi tissu transplant and bone marrow experi start genet fluke mid scientif engin and bred for bone transplant idea start mid sixti inspir doctor timothi leari transplant deer bone cell into small white rat gillow quick point assassin attempt pope john paul and disappear leari public ey becom time replac pope gillow pope and replac pope lock pad chamber butt head male yak fight for domin herd victor emerg and earn privileg insemin choir boi moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourk clive come retract foreskin misconcept jame triniti colleg dublin and appli wire brush enlighten geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and jeff clark articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write delet you million suffer for adam and pretti sick creat univers gonna respond give small theologi lesson forgiv us theologi major that thi planet involv cosmic struggl great controversi betwe christ and satan borrow book titl god interest entir univers make decis delet univers creat can you tyrann creatur like your definit your god creat satan full knowledg happen includ choic satan can you explain free will and omnisci didn your god that happen even creat world concern tyrant care fine for that idea come possibl abus power your god introduc your descript you that you read faq part preach benedikt
alt.atheism	pope jewish articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write last night watch rebroadcast jerri springer talk show heard thi jewel thought year racist focu thi show kid and hatr for jewish religion and stuff delet interest and scari jew had kill god and end time that race homeland remain america jeruselem gen anoth kid rest race home and great battl plagu revel happen and jew kill interest thing thi that roomat cathol and had kjv bibl desk immediatli open and began search for quot passag gen rev and john for and couldn find don thi show back and heard kid quot bibl justifi racist claim look that quot jesu hate jew sinc jesu jew curious had piqu such claim jist passag and can recal passag exactli that jesu condemn pharise for corrupt pharise jewish wasn jew that jesu condemn power that nanci connor psycholog undergrad opinion express simon fraser univers burnabi canada
alt.atheism	silli question tianiti werdna cco caltech edu andrew tong write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write question thi attitud god charact egotist and proud christian tell peopl humbl deal god pretti egotist and proud mean creat you doesn proud such job peopl don proud accomplish that can match god accomplish abil compar god imbecil worm earth quot pascal grumblegrumbl you god and you creat univers wouldn you irk organ cell globul tini planet start think great and awesom you logic fall apart quick perfect insult threaten action lesser creatur offspr shuold power perfect feel proud offend capabl awar relationship aspect particl univers moment time simultan understand action cell globul each tnii planet that kinda odd that god care earth bad exampl amaz fact that care appar and that will make grand sacrific ensur happi power owner univers make great sacrific make great headlin doesn make sens sacrific that couldn back gave give chri you gui fun agoin kei west
alt.atheism	don beleiv you articl apr antioc antioch edu smauldin antioc antioch edu write stop believ you long invent technolog god ahhh back alt autoth you belong brian
alt.atheism	genocid caus theism evid articl qid fct horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write don special theism gener that make hazard stupid anarchi patriot depend religion noth believ god that and entail even promot xenophobia genocid etc emphasi gener you correct sinc you haven restrict observ practic religion lot exampl god mandat genocid canaanit point that you god and you order you elimin entir race you will like make attempt past sure present bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and jeff clark articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write thi reason controversi post modern issu polar evil and good artifici construct and fall apart closer inspect into notion constant struggl evil and good forc sound metaphor that peopl assum closer inspect info not expos idea bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl apr new wesleyan edu ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu scott sauyet write qabe innaff gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu write chimpanze fight war land chimp almost human keith thi last messag schneider and dai final word and find that that final christian leari atheist spokesman clandestin and that had remov keith busi explain fellow captiv isn persecut sinc feed and resist part view troubl make understand make bit fuss tatoo god trust forehead bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	member articl hiew portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write start read thi group todai and larg particip daili post like section faq construct logic argument atheist not turn peopl into atheist figur peopl don care view come wrong will admit possibl religi follow dont capabl aboard notic alot post bobbi respond post fall back argument you answer your question religion will bad event explain human name religion not mean that religion will point ideal and that wasn can reason for event argu bother you upset answer blind and not support factual will win time argument don will post direct respons respons post that spout fact that atheist fool evil for not peachi islam leav pro con argument islam fred rice level head and subject happi aboard you you abord dave fuller dfuller portal videocart brian
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl hous helio hous helio usq edu ron hous write marshal csugrad edu kevin marshal write healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write you yeah didn god destroi bud point million ag suffer life answer that satan made claim that god god allow satan chanc prove that god that brought come god allow wish individu superced billion doubt read bibl twice never impress that god and satan work sort cooper arrang read book job that bet brian
alt.atheism	thought sold sign brian book charl manson lord lunat liar
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl di for run risk dy for lie for peopl liar had grifter and charlatan sinc begin civil david copperfield had messiah bet found plenti believ jesu claim faith healer and wasn wit set apart niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi rubbish nation crazi liar psychopath and megalomaniac histori hitler tojo mussolini khomeini qadaffi stalin papa doc and nixon come mind thi centuri koresh issu sinc wasn liar lunat real thing discret mathemat formal logic flaw your logic and will you read faq thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us you bibl written bibl not mean true and ag that tome lack extern support evid make credibl you quot bibl futur back that quot support evid you will flame mercilessli don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv weight lift guitar plai don you defin world total imagin total sacrafic for god sake involv time commit you correct tendenc box into time unit you explain involov god sport and heheh televis kevin marshal comput scienc depart virginia tech marshal csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write wait you that human rare reason doesn that contradict atheism explain logic and reason thi contradict atheism that prove fals bobbi mozumd prove exist allah bobbi post don men women islam countri atheist kill femal children person favorit sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	thought you read faq read faq you wouldn post such drivel lord liar lunat argument fals trilemma even you disprov liar and lunat you haven you not elimin possibl such mistaken misdirect misunderstood you arbitrarili set and possibl read good book rhetor and critic think you lord liar lunat discuss exampl good argument you learn read faq construct logic argument ignor instruct your peril disobei leav you open for righteou flame maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag thi sound nice help each and smile and fluffi bunni wake peopl not that evid histori that societi succeed had reli goodwil and unselfish peopl isn obviou place iran that even greedi peopl societi attract posit power sound recip for disast histor evid such perfect utopian islam state didn surviv agre peopl peopl and even you start islam revolut and creat thi perfect state take time and intern corrupt will destroi ground rule cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote basi appar success islam bank that statement that interest economi cannot surviv todai world bit prematur intest econom system surviv small scale op not islam invent and oper work world such system don stand corrupt larg scale oper noth handl human greed imho not even allah cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	member articl hiew portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller wrote event explain human name religion not mean that religion will point ideal and that wasn can reason for event argu bother you upset answer blind and not support factual will win time argument don will post direct respons hei glad and construct contributor thi newsgroup agre statement you argu bobbi for eon and not thing spare your mental resourc discuss interest issu cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl qjfnv ogt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer wrote term hero worship mean you worship jesu super saver hero worship grand scale worship lenin that will make life pleasant for work peopl similar understand that god defin supernatur not superhuman notion lenin borderlin supernatur insight into chang world wasn communist god man gave present kid christma agre thing rel and you can direct map movement and notion that communist russia somewhat typic atheist countri that robertson tilton rest atheist not true unbeliev huh don fanat cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel wrote want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian didn understand realiti liar lunat real thing narrow view possibl jesu messag sigh religion make your mind brain filter that not fit into your person scheme that think possibl jesu bound classic lewi notion liar lunat saint bound becom christian cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl qjf horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qimb fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl qif horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qialf fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write forget origin quot gotta us word talk you atheist lack belief god plausibl that atheist dig lenin lennon such extent that consid worship and atheist newspeak question you regard ardent nazi republican simpli germani longer had kaiser that base fals dichotomi option you present and that point you can simpli divid world into atheist and atheist basi god belief you care belief supernatur deiti and noth behaviour belief supernatur your criterion onc you start talk behaviour suscept ibil led bad peopl into bad thing you assum worri and that area you care whether sceptic critic and autonom hand gullibl excit and easili led that tendenc worship tyrant and ideolog that person easili led whether worship belief supernatur hero earthli besid point jon
alt.atheism	thought articl edm apr gocart twisto compaq edm twisto compaq mccreari write thu apr gmt bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel dlb want start and that christian dlb make sens you read toni campollo book liar dlb lunat real thing titl dlb write book part effort destroi christian dlb process christian friendli folk christian central come save you
alt.atheism	islam genocid articl qjipo pen horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qinmd fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write rate even your interpret correct thi not impli that kill relig motiv origin poster claim tricki tricki repli your blanket claim that not religi motiv aren irish cathol south not kill irish protest south precis histori kill relig motiv ignor obviou matter british occup partit and misguid patriot side fals dichotomi you claim kill not religi motiv and that wrong not that each and kill religi motiv spell detail problem fault religi divid histor root thi thing cathol countri partit and popul protest grotesqu kill soldier and civilian supposedli motiv patriot civil right issu and reveng difficult understand insofara insan hard understand religion not invok explain contradict thi paragraph claim that kill not relig motiv grotesqu that mean that church and believ histori can face rewrit you attack claim claim that ira terrorist plant bomb warrington not motiv greater glori god frank put quot your word your post horu mchp sni don that claim you can longer stand your origin claim jon
alt.atheism	don beleiv you articl apr antioc antioch edu smauldin antioc antioch edu write stop believ you long invent technolog god don listen thi gui crank thi busi true god toler rest complet hand isn bad peopl stop believ you relax mortal aren beg you for favor zeu
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write state that that green marbl close box never evid for exist guilti deceit even fact green marbl insid question whether not green marbl insid irrelev you ahead and plai your marbl love love love fit that into sig file keep list bobbi quot includ thi state unproven opinion fact deceit and knowingli deciet falsehood and lie you unproven opinion fact you opinion you not accept flat earther state that earth flat fact don accept thi unproven opinion and round earther evid flat earther can prove that god doesn exist argument us support god exist weak and contradictori and not god come and reason god that absolut can ignor ago read interest book fellow call von daenicken prove wildest thing and last page wrote can you prove isn can not base proof question stuff such myth call circumstanci evid atheism hasn made kill and regard quit agreeabl fellow sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	islam author sic women kmr cwru edu keith ryan kmr cwru edu rush leland stanford edu apr leland stanford edu reader join thi gui for real simpli amaz sadli don loos sleep zlumber fun basic harmless you don work citi don find hard that ol zlumber believ hate and ignor prattl write frighten thought peopl even wors that femin equal superior men laughabl long doesn proce pick rifl and start shoot women preemptiv strike aka canada slaughter that occur year ago men kill women noth islam fundamentalist excus ran vancouv sun thursdai octob john davidson canadian press montreal perhap letter year daughter that shock hope dai you will understand happen your parent wrote patrick prevost love your mother passion that hatr polic found piec paper prevost bodi apart northeast montreal year mechan commit suicid kill wife jocelyn parent coupl had separ for month and woman had apart talk get monei for food violent quarrel broke and prevost attack wife kitchen knife cut throat polic latest women slain husband lover quebec last week children slain result domest battl last year quebec alon women slain husband that such case across canada statist canadian centr for justic rest articl ommit that women stai home and rais child laughabl women tradition hard labor support famili men cultur histori take two adult rais child and that stai home maximu
alt.atheism	femin and islam articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu write that hadith state that silenc mean and that women not speak judg conduct marriag actaulli that fals hadith contradict vers quran that women testifi speak judg hadith declar fals contradict quran hadith weren written revel life prophet and error you can fals hadith true contradict quran relat that isn explicitli spell quran quran wasn written life muham wasn long year long shift vers karl lastli come china hope you touch and you fulfil lifelong ambit your life will drop acid great wall duke pink floyd lie lie even billion peopl
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write qie fkt horu mchp sni frank write articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write peopl not word object mean put word moral assum idiom and cannot defin separ term give object moral moral built object valu and object valu specif and importantli motiv wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai thi candid for object and condit for object moral that object valu such thi exist frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write borrow book librari khomeini fatwa etc found thi passag legitimaci fatwa common knowledg prescrib islam law that sentenc applic jurisdict islam law appli sentenc pass islam court and execut state machineri due process law even islam countri alon muslim land individu cannot law into hand sentenc pass carri state usual machineri and not individu becom crimin act law into hand and punish offend process defenc offend brought notic court and court shoud decid deal thi law appli equal muslim muslim territori agre fulli statement and precis meant previou statement islam not anarchist and law not enforc despit law applic such clarif ulama islam scholar muslim britain and imam khomeini fatwa made clear that sinc islam law not applic britain hadd compulsori punish cannot appli disagre thi conclus applic islam law muslim wherev conclus not strictli follow forego conclus that fatwa cannot enforc islam law agre that punish cannot appli rushdi even found wow that islam viewpoint khomeini fatwa constitut crimin act perhap even limb and call khomeini crimin thi basi put price head rushdi britain crimin act islam law understood knowledg muslim that khomeini fatwa islam illegitim basi expound such and post umar khan and gregg jaeger and that even punish constitut fatwa islam law understand gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote understand that gener agre ulema islam scholar that islam law appli islam countri not law into hand crimin act matter for state not for individu nevertheless khomeini offer cash prize for peopl law into hand understand islam law thi understand major islam law legal rule school law sunni and jaffari can level muslim muslim and dar islam not apostasi accompani activ persist and open hostil islam fall into thi categori law that histor apostasi rare punish alon death penalti understand that khomeini rule not base law apostasi alon that rushdi apost long wrote offend and preced qur hadith islam histori for indiscriminantli level death penalti for apostasi charg level rushdi that fasad thi rule appli and domain islam state and can carri individu reward not offer khomeini individu iran stuff delet you muddi issu you assum that khomeini fatwa issu due distribut book understand that khomeini fatwa issu respons write and publish book view correct your viewpoint that rushdi sentenc for crime progress incorrect concur that thrust fatwa rememb level author and assist public book charg fasad can encompass number lesser charg rememb that diplomat relat broke britain and iran fatwa iran stress that condemn author and remov book circul two preliminari condit for resolv crisi you correct point that ban book not main thrust fatwa islam charg such fasad level peopl not book rushdi situat iran for month issuanc fatwa rushdi media blitz present lone knight guard sacr valu secular democraci and mock foolish concern peopl crazi hold religi belief sacr fan flame and milk controversi boost imag and push book media muslim demonstr countri kill protest book rushdi appear momentarili concern climb back media hors onc attack muslim and defend sacr right thi point that fatwa fasad issu fatwa level person rushdi action rushdi that feed situat contribut legitim rule book remain circul not independ will will author and publish fatwa person rushdi encompass action crime crime progress level and plai and plai full view media not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law twelv imam consid incap error sin khomeini support thi view twelv iman thi heresi for reason gave happi discuss issu imam you prefer move discuss anoth newsgroup feel philosophi religion group topic deepli embed world view islam and esoter teach prophet heresi not enter into for islam exoter religion that nomin concern metaphys substanc man and natur good introductori book fact introductori book islam gener murtaza mutahhari fundament islam thought god man and univers mizan press translat campbel beauti book follow book you can find decent translat wilaya station master author titl master and mastership small book transcript lectur author introduct beauti psalm islam translat william chittick muhammadi trust great britain excel introduct subject book univers librari imagin stock univers librari will your post you fairli vers sunni thought you seek shi it thought knowledg shi it author that respect due charg heresi level salaam laikum
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl qif horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qialf fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl egl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write stuff delet newsgroup larg thi for deal recognis that happen communist russia bear valid atheism do sundri theist valid theism that zip nada fallaci hominem and holi faq book construct logic argument apart not make lot sens thi wrong atheist creed that taught communist name atheism theistic creed and instruct act for theist madli conflict anoth that anoth issu lack instruct act evil that that sinc mathemat includ instruct act evil atheism not moral system speak instruct act atheism simpli lack belief god plenti theist argu case for atheism didn ussr valid theism genocid that valid argument that theist system genocid can made convincingli argument that atheism genocid thi theist system instruct act and can shown genocid sinc atheist set instruct null set can you show that atheism genocid david chowel davec silicon csci csusb edu score thousand human insect readi moment notic reveal will god subject georg bernard shaw score thousand human insect readi moment notic reveal will god subject georg bernard shaw
alt.atheism	nonexist atheist articl bskendigc jcwx jzn netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write quot delet peopl idea mean atheist bobbi mozumd clone world thought that explain thing post soc religion islam attach quot bobbi effect that atheist ly evil scum and ask commonli held idea muslim respons ask unknown guess karl lastli come china hope you touch and you fulfil lifelong ambit your life will drop acid great wall duke pink floyd lie lie even billion peopl
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write appear that walla walla colleg will fill role alt atheist that allegheni colleg fill alt fan dan quayl want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian convert xtianiti thi tendenc excess darken pre xtian past frequent fals embark effort destroi xtianiti suffer deep megalomania defect not cure religi convers arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen perspect perspect bwahahahahahahahah book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh sigh perhap big mistaken claim perhap insight had dai perhap statement attribut jesu not made put into mouth author possibl abound sure examin thi question come decent list altern task not examin question destroi xtianiti religi salesmanship reason wouldn liar follow die for lie german di for nazism russian di name proletarian dictatorship american di make world safe for democraci silli question wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl perform heal god niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi hard draw entir nation you you crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing convinc thi laughabl logic deserv xtian thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us don bother propheci fulfil ey xtian apologist distort mean isaiah and book
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism delet apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write don you can imagin infinit infin mathemat concept creat human explain thing don appli realiti don world infinit wouldn comprehend realiti for programm that requir infinit memori realiti continu and base infiniet small unit unit you don univers continu continuum anoth mathemat concept base infin us explain thing human not infinit call number call endless not pretti good idea infin man made concept and man made concept evolv time ancient greek had understand can call allah infinit power knowledg etc cannot imagin allah cannot imagin infinit precic don even infin appli realiti sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you amaz that find difficult grasp peopl justifi death threat rushdi claim born muslim thi empti rhetor amaz your inabl understand not that you find difficult grasp peopl justifi death threat find amaz that your abil abstract question isol you falsiti principl consequ abus you hate physic you closer you imagin despis live soviet regim purport organ societi fondli imagin object conclus marxist dialect don hate physic long clown doesn start control life assumpt that interchang atom individu human be jon
alt.atheism	satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write jeff west write you claim that peopl that time translat bibl time coupl gener you ampl proof agre that version step modern translat that peopl time copi text correctli translat present complet issu read paper that qumram text had version text misunderstand jon
alt.atheism	note bobbi apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write insult atheist genocid total unintent atheism can happen good bad includ genocid and you thi you conveni defin theist can wrong and you defin peopl wrong atheist statement circular not mention bigot and such sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write stuff delet demand for khomeini and ilk publicli come clean and show proof that islam law punish apostaci death that toler similar form covers freedom conscienc school law knowledg support death sentenc for apostasi accompani open persist and aggrav hostil islam agre legal support for punish disbelief qur make clear that belief matter conscienc public privat disavow islam convers anoth faith not punish jurist thi trend and insist that apostasi punish even death histor except curs and insult prophet fall categori shatim borrow book librari khomeini fatwa etc lot stuff delet and analysi khomeini offer reward for rushdi death fact constitut crimin act islam law post rushdi islam law
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write histor evid such perfect utopian islam state didn surviv agre peopl peopl and even you start islam revolut and creat thi perfect state take time and intern corrupt will destroi ground rule noth perfect noth perpetu even perfect isn stai that forev perpetu machin cannot exist thought that law mechan thermodynam state that not atheist naren bala softwar evalu engin home work standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl apr new wesleyan edu ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu scott sauyet final word and find that that final your finger cross finger cross doubt martin schult
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl qkq horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai thi candid for object and condit for object moral that object valu such thi exist person and highli subject opinion that freedom good thing peopl assert that true freedom word thi and that messiah realis that peopl don even agre mean word mean that word repres object word object mean jon
alt.atheism	articl innf senat bedfellow mit edu tcbruno athena mit edu tom bruno write wow leav your termin for month and you rememb depress familiar face count bob and kent don recogn heard graham matthew recent degre and sail for greener pastur bring point post peopl alt atheism sinc damnedest stai top newsgroup you fall you fall not bad rec art startrek us digress delug inquir mind want track infam poster alt atheism end onc leav newsgroup curiou guess cheer tom bruno peopl willl unlimit store unfound respect for peopl newsgroup mail list longer you sympathi tom semi regularli post toughto sinc thi februari read and thread sinc last august school newsread for month and incompet comput servic never bother find feed site wasn accept outgo post don track poster that love and leav internet for you regard adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian that rest come make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian thi isn gui lawyer you give info thi gui never mind will plenti respons thi post and will arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen thi true make true for case book that jesu liar crazi not modern dai koresh reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar not die for lie you poverti stricken and alunat sound perfecetli reasoabl whether societ dreg had for follow liar not not necessarili even di for believ thi make complet selfish differ peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl histor proof thi earlier thread name death make for heal gave niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi sieg heil doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi david koresh curiou sinc wasn liar lunat real thing thi follow your definit lunat and disproof thereof uhhh shaki thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us good idea don peopl understand christian not lot church natur not true christian life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv handl thi don worth sigh adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	thought christian articl apr nuscc nu cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl cva uxa ecn bgu edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola wrote christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi agre that case primit emot feel base haha you won laugh hell mental make religion attract for person agre make small point xtianiti dogmat religion not attract peopl hope etc attract averag peopl that xtainiti escapist doctrin absolutist attitud great psycholog shelter dai dai frustrat unhappi fear uncertainti unknown etc thi good point averag peopl not christian fear escap quit simpli improv social life involv american cultur kid immigr for exampl sinc overwhelm major religion western world form simpli choic peopl bore and want live not somethong ordinari weak long doesn hurt buddha had attract religion driven fear man worship sacr mountain sacr stone and sacr tree buddha find peac religion good quot and agre make alter scond that includ long not prevent find peac that suppos peac for inflict evangel person feel that sinc religion such pow psycholog effect theist problem that religion enorm harm believ and human holi war inquisit inter religi hatr imped scienc intellectu progress attitud etc etc don can comment thing will live live popular come and rememb enter high school atheist had and friend thi time convert christian immigr taiwan son immigr earlier gross gener christian lot popular peopl sinc notic percept that chagn for perfectli will live and live long set abstract right agreement treat each desir hurt notion for put argument thi usenet never good argument not appli christian even atheist simpli step person take natur almost instinct regard adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw unenlighten buddhism characterist tan chade meng expect cosmic religion for futur singapor transcend person god avoid dogma and theologi cmtan iss nu cover natur spiritu and base religi sens aspir experi thing natur and spiritu meaning uniti einstein
alt.atheism	your post provok into check save file for memor post captur ken arromde feb subject atheist that articl your question articl averag articl dai for last year note current post rate such that kill file depress larg post save earli dai articl notabl loren sunlight llnl gov loren petrich jchrist nazareth israel rel jesu christ nazareth mrc tomobiki cho cac washington edu mark crispin perri apollo jim perri lippard uavax ccit arizona edu jame lippard minski media mit edu marvin minski interest bunch geoff arnold nf architect sun select geoff arnold east sun made thing great lie gui two thousand year ago wine tear garden
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write that you confus word object and inher and object system simpli observ postul system perfectli judg situat action consist system not wrong you object goal system not inher that you want defin object system postul determin observ don that thi good definit object system you learn english graviti object system can learn and perform experi will result person perform experi graviti inher system you don excess inform observ determin object determin guilt innoc inher system agre that moral not necessarili inher you state that evolutionari basi thi not mean that cannot object theori thi natur moral not object system evidenc your comment lion and mine perhap can object not inher note practic relat mate ritual etc anim like consid immor previou definit natur law revis order sinc class activ surround mate pose gener problem and fact that postul determin outsid sort higher truth sort god not that god for object system that you you seen that you object notion object system perhap you that impli inher necessit sort grand design classifi behavior anim line moral system for anim commit act rule ethic don perhap not intellig immor and perhap you defin moral system code ethic basic defin undesir behavior etc immor behavior unwant unproduct destruct etc depend goal system that immor end keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write natur moral specif thought code ethic that speci develop order surviv wait talk ethic moral distinct import thi countless time anim kingdom and such natur system basi for system huh moral system mimic natur number wai order for human thrive live group your problem wrong highlight word don wrong for human surviv for long time wild difficult human social anim and that success and order for group function effect sort ethic code thi statement not correct isn don you and point that speci conduct serv propog not give you your tautolog show that such exampl moral system goal propog speci goal natur system moral live monagam relationship not moral order ensur propog speci man impregn women note earlier lack mate such abstin homosexu isn destruct system worst neutral for that matter herd hors domin stallion mate di kill domin stallion mate case your natur system moral shoot figur foot mate practic reexamin keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write chimp almost human thi mean that chimp moral will chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write you explain sudden violent behavior human be your theori state that human detach primit behavior violent and moralist human becom correct understand wrong you thi bifurc point madman kill peopl roof campu you explain your theori explain such situat madmen mad explain output broken comput not keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write show that exampl and provid not counter exampl your suppos inher moral hypothesi you successfulli argu that domest remov alter thi moral that domest will chang behavior larg degre domest anim exhibit behavior not found wild don that can view good repres wild anim kingdom sinc bred for thousand year produc behavior etc keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist mmwang adob michael wang write type o definit you will note read punish inanim object incap show merci you can not that merciless punish cruel you miss stuff paren you read definit transf transfer sens and fig figur thing can cruel sampl text definit includ not thy cruell nail pluck poor ey and puni man centr cruel and frown univers nail can cruel imagin nail your ey pain thi not impli that painless death cruel you suppos show keith
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral sfnntrc wbo lruk andrew cmu edu david sacco dsav andrew cmu edu write ton mail move thi discuss alt religion mac feel that life joke bob dylan you happi dai your life you wouldn human you game show host movi heather lectur lek chur process note professor becom note student pass mind michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker write articl qie fkt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer wrote object moral moral built object valu object valu come can measur mediat thair interact real world moralon scalar valuino field scienc real world basi valu not round you such thing object scienc can not object kick head simpl theori accur predict not object set tarot card you conclus don and exist place assum object realiti doesn frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon measur truth beauti good love friendship trust honesti etc thing basi object fact aren limit true can that can exampl instanc reason cannot measur reason that semant mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write good logic bad good scienc bad definit great good bad horribl wors good defin bad come thi setup thi subject peopl agre switch order isn thi defin unknown thing anoth that good that bad and bad that wors good circular mac sun start orbit earth will accept bibl michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral lsran inn exodu eng sun emarsh hern sun eng sun eric marsh write articl hqxj jdg cso uiuc edu li cso uiuc edu li student write hmmmm defin object moral depend you talk mean you can your hair your ear and mean stryper accept that gener principl object moral list two place ten command sai jesu depend whether you trust bibl second depend whether you jesu god and whether you accur copi gong moment and you wrote you defin object moral and you qualifi thi object moral subject justif you error thi you disqualifi plai mac eric huh explain problem base moral that wrong gosh heck lot stuff that that wrong and that come sourc that wrong you base your belief atheism your knowledg and reason couldn that wrong mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	islam genocid pick yugoslavia and problem caus commun doesn matter guess religi leader call for end that can religi motiv thi despit fact that christian carv cross dead muslim chest want land want cross carv accident don suspici like tragic situat bosnia combin ethnic and religi motiv religion attribut that separ group each agre that sad saga bosnia terribl exampl case religion not help us weapon human and sympathi bosnian side serb oppressor will us even christian weapon friend cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist death penalti conceiv deterr crime legal shenanigan that ad automat appeal lengthi court battl etc releg that purpos small part question instat death penalti meant and that deter crime rid doubt death penalti suppos deterr crime doesn crime carri death penalti that effict wouldn death penalti punish fine for speed punish murder mind doesn care consequ anoth problem that peopl dont will caught want kill anoth person wouldn care penalti didn caught strictli deterr line tortur dave fuller dfuller portal videocart
alt.atheism	thought christian cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write person feel that sinc religion such pow psycholog effect theist problem that religion enorm harm believ and human holi war inquisit inter religi hatr imped scienc intellectu progress attitud etc etc don can comment held that attempt chang person attitud lifestyl long make happi and not tax thi for atheist you don atheist knock your door stop you airport hand literatur social event theist that thier form happi work for and make sister born and real thorn side for entir famili for year final clue that couldn that period bought atheist xtian book for birthdai and xma time birthdai card vers problem told mom that send sister atheist piec read materi don you dare mom wasn religi insist that not send societi driven into that religion preach religion contain crock shit final told sister that didn find life attract exactli effort convert sinc sick religi type pamper look for and worst respect atheist end sight dave fuller dfuller portal videocart
alt.atheism	bibl quiz kmr cwru edu keith ryan write you mind mail question pair answer love for time theist come door thi you post answer kei nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu coward for minut dead for rest your life
alt.atheism	bibl thing interest alt athiesm fact that bibl thumper and ilk thi duller newsgroup almost delud mass write silli thing for athiest tear apart that tidbit want write can such document bibl you want religi aren plausabl book bibl written multipl author repeatedli contradict each minut tell you kill your kid talk back and not kill that xtian want follow deiti pick that can consist unlik last invent for peopl jesu son god didn god not put you that didn god not make symbol idol cross don you that you fact bibl that you track jesu illiter didn write honestli hope that peopl bibl understand that religi text and that poorer qualiti boot reason xtianiti escap middl east roman wine poison lead made rome xtian bad dream thi post person person stand streetcorn and tell peopl hell will happi hatr and snap judgement can guid your robot life clayton forest mad scientist
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write contridict you want good question claim gener trend disprov thi guess you show that not gener trend you claim you prove cold fusion provid exampl show that trend gener and you provid counterexampl surround mate practic etc don that case disprov gener trend natur moral and mate practic reexamin find immor mate relat activ you exclud mate relat activ your natur moral mate practic special case that natur system can object deduc goal speci propog mind not equat two you that object system isn necessarili natur you you not man wrote natur moral system object moral system that anim follow natur system object object system not natur term can not equat natur system subset object sinc homosexu observ anim includ bird and dolphin you claim that anim capac immor don claim that homosexu immor isn harm isn help mate process and you that homosexu observ anim kingdom don you mean bisexu can determin end moral you claim group impli entiti thi standard jargon read textbook form us that goal not inher that postul not determin argu that aris natur goal somewhat remov postul assum posit that goal aren inher can creat theori postul that sun revolv earth that moon made green chees and star portion angel that intrud into dimension realiti you such contradict observ can build mathemat proof postul that length side triangl length second side triangl and degre angl connect can determin length side postul that gener found true don your postul valid guess peopl recept order assum your system you show that your postul work and goal surviv and happi work you don not good goal keith
alt.atheism	member articl hiew portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write start read thi group todai and larg particip daili post like section faq construct logic argument atheist not turn peopl into atheist figur peopl don care view come wrong will admit possibl religi follow dont capabl happi aboard dave fuller dfuller portal videocart offici keeper list nicknam that peopl alt atheism didn had such list you your award nicknam buckminst time you post articl sign your nicknam dave buckminst fuller jim humor mean never you copeland god dead and actor plai part sting word fear will find place your heart histori voic reason faith curs will teach freedom past thing can wors noth
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl hkv epv blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write judaism for maddi confirm thi for and reiter that can easili leav religion time simpli make public declar lazi that religion cannot held respons islam countri public renounc islam can quit danger countri not you necessarili practic true islam danger remain cannot blame failur public renounc islam lazi oppos desir stai aliv and you plan pull rushdi declar leav religion concern compar plan rushdi case discuss can tragic that islam countri thi islam countri constitut contain statement that islam law incorpor kuwait can freeli make such statement fear not mention that point that rushdi book that not muslim and sure reader book provid number wit thi stori becom tiresom condit clear you care make your point clear make chronolog and show that had made public statement leav islam prior write tsv make such statement made that clear rejoin islam talk person feel gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote khomenei jerk and plenti british leader qur basi judgement khomenei heret standard qur end stori you specif exactli khomanei heret and jerk judg koran like for gui noth contrari teach koran told iranian research student that share offic easi and conveni for you denounc feel that your view not clear cut and wide accept you suggest made thi clear will khomeini put price head anoth countri thi make jerk intern outlaw khomeini advoc view that seri twelv islam leader twelv imam free error sin thi make heret qur muhammad chastis for error directli god qur that muhammad greatest exampl proper islam behavior muslim free error usual almost islam viewpoint muslim perhap you thi case widespread agreement matter islam viewpoint issu not islam and thi for larg group peopl name come back koran imprecis word qur not imprecis word true that interpret interpret word entir text qur make mean precis for intellig peopl free power lust come agreement gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote slightli incongru find union jack fly citi hall belfast not british want big expens problem that major popul want problem that major can open mouth public perhap quit alot incent for british control north channel and irish sea wast dump appal dump harbor belfast understand that quit alot radioact enter water quit problem independ britain and stop accept wast you suggest that british industri isn make profit situat gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote you explain qur your ey carri excess baggag anoth era qur opinion carri such baggag run modern economi charg interest loan hear even fundamentalist iran compromis thi ideal sort loan and you heard exactli gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and jon grow childish propagandist gregg
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote and western countri isn legal concept not slightest bit pertin topic british author live unit kingdom protect british law forget govern superior entiti religi organ forgiv gun higher law thi degener zumder logic govern superior entiti elect peopl religi leader not perhap not christian islam choic religi leader made peopl for your superior argument peopl trust make law repres higher law that democraci democraci basic element islam learn that notic that call fundamentalist algeria repress secular govern won free and democrat elect gregg
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain subject free moral agenc date apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write testement satan rare mention huh doesn sda bibl book job thi suffer world caught inth crossfir and sometim innoc teh guilti hurt that opinion and hope clear thing your omnipot and omnisci god splainin creat satan for shit and giggl bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea didn never mention satan rare excus for lack perfect memori omnipot tammi soori sound cranki apoplog feel hurt
alt.atheism	note bobbi articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough subject note bobbi date wed apr gmt articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write madhausc ckip netcom madhau netcom maddi hausmann write mark you vegetarian diet problem not vitamin balanc protein vitamin that cannot obtain anim product and thi concern vegan eat meat dairi egg and problem supplement for vegan come anim product you ovo lacto vegetarian diet eat dairi and egg thi not issu didn origin post vegetarian diet that close friend devout vegetarian and vitamin supplement think long time sinc read articl onc talk special dietari vegetarian didn quot full number nice thi place can come grain rice understand brand australia and place tablet grain rice you aren enrich type basic rice and soybean almost you hadn heard rice thought contribut issu norm you contribut program thread earlier fred rice daric yoyo monash edu vegan vegetarian taht eat anim product egg milk chees etc year vegan diet you start take supplement found anim acut bodi make bodi us year lacto oveo vegetarian milk product and egg don supplement and post contridict mish mash knowledg glean tammi
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write you that isn for instinct act moral that order for act act moral person immor action disregard that order for act moral immor that impli intellig not instinct that action not you keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you that isn for instinct act moral that thing explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder that order for act act moral person immor action disregard weaker that possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic and emphasi you place intellig anim speci kill each arbitarili don you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write don expect lion not kind fact don evid that lion such issu and that don you can assign moral signific instinct behaviour lion that moral behavior like null behavior that doesn work moral immor case that moral remnant evolut moral system base concept practic anim kingdom you basic that you moral undefin term and that moral system don exist can agre definit term can hope discuss perfectli clear that that moral system that can speak for peopl thi doesn anywher your belief irrelev you can share discuss keith
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist sdoe nmsu edu stephen doe write time that death penalti cruel unusu will outlaw present peopl don thi thi fellow speak object natur moral suppos that major decid slaveri longer immor not claim that system object keith
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl bcc ic uci edu bvicker ic uci edu brett vicker write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write you not muslim sort fatwa issu khomeini not relev you can understand your fear persecut and share even you muslim rushdi behavior not complet excus fatwa issu khomeini relev doesn live iran issu khomeini shouldn relev issu honest and learn scholar islam relev muslim contrari islam law muslim requir respect that decid whether rushdi behavior excus suffici vers islam law and capabl reason you talk weak sens excus depend sens excus you mind and care you inexcus think opinion import you don care care that you don care gregg
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and kent articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write sandvik newton appl kent sandvik subject free moral agenc and kent date thu apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali wrote ezekiel your hart fill pride your beauti you corrupt your wisdom for sake your splendor cast you ground and expos you helpless curiou gaze king for you bibl scholar you knowthat vers refer princ tyre thi prophesi and address human princ vers refer king tyre term for satan tammi rational connect princ tyre satan you give ration bibl cite afraid that thi not case your think model fall apart hous card cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net time ezekiel written israel apostaci and not mistaken tyre make war israel princ tyre human ruler tyre wick man call satan king tyre ezekiel that satan real ruler tyre don interpret neccessarili orthodox christian christian bibl commentari interpret king tyre refer satan haven read ezekiel throughli long time tammi
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and jeff clark articl dfc dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write dbstu benedikt rosenau subject free moral agenc and jeff clark date thu apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write delet you million suffer for adam and pretti sick creat univers gonna respond give small theologi lesson forgiv us theologi major that thi planet involv cosmic struggl great controversi betwe christ and satan borrow book titl god interest entir univers make decis delet univers creat can you tyrann creatur like your definit your god creat satan full knowledg happen includ choic satan can you explain free will and omnisci didn your god that happen even creat world concern tyrant care fine for that idea come possibl abus power your god introduc your descript you that you read faq part preach benedikt don feel that preach answer peopl question and talk religion belief come post don intent convert don expect for atheist thi newsgroup grain salt state belev believeit and and that preach soori and soapbox tammi
alt.atheism	pompou ass arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write not that made nazi comparison peopl compar religi peopl nazi germani that start thing knew thing strang and grew bigger thing that motto thing you contradict motto thing that bother mentiopn you huh thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail that pave for intrus motto hasn caus problem year histori doubt caus problem you ignor instanc describ you caus problem shown that thing motto that like don motto initi sort harass harass will occur whether not motto present keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write you support your claim that peopl will simpli harass matter doubt thi true theist will loss and that reason for god trust motto coin and coin represent govern christian ammunit slander atheist unpatriot ban ammunit not rid gun and heard thi us convers christian fall back thing thi not us wors nation anthem chang god bless america list imagin year set coin label motto god dead such statement coin offend almost christian and tempt rub that motto face christian debunk standard motto sling get bore you peopl you despis statement print item that repres govern endors govern coin motto endors trust god endors acknowledg god thing that peopl proud don motto encourag belief don feel trust god govern put coin print for motto legitim read god god godless trust you approv such motto whether motto intend anti atheist not turn open invit us anti atheist tool and remov tool will solv problem will increas problem keith
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write want thi omnisci perform feat term action wrong you omnisci you exactli and purpos mind goal mind you sould method judg whether not thi action accord gener goal don you show exist object moral system exist practic difficult perfectli emul mean you understand concept object system thought you explain don understand you explain object system goal action judg compat goal not simpl problem system current practic that goal differ that goal each societi note that object system not necessarili inher concept innoc depend whether action wrong and thi depend moral system object system can deem innoc not quit easili omnisci person clear recurs definit murder complain don solv specul object moral system question whether you can even time and for worth don you clear murder part you problem you mean harm harm you spend your exist metabolis food for anoth speci moral system consid speci for enslav anim not human ideal perhap wouldn even bother anim point wrong enslav human persoanl moral system second point vegetarian can enslav anim not kill you vegetarian for health reason you vegetarian fail person view relev wrong eat anim your person moral system not perfectli valid kill member speci for food nice anim not made suffer for instanc cow field live life wild happi veal youngster aren treat object moral system don goal thi system inher system natur moral system nope kill speci for food keith
alt.atheism	judg bobbi articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write kmr cwru edu keith ryan subject judg bobbi date thu apr gmt mozumd write tammi heali write liberti quot christian writer name ellen white hope that will you edit your remark thi group futur not set standard not make your opinion your view duti your interpret scriptur criterion for and your heart condemn not come your ideal thought fromth mount bless point point you judg god true judg sun start orbit earth will accept bibl agre total you amen you state and world tammi
alt.atheism	thought articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain subject thought keyword dan bissel date apr gmt articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian thi good fun sinc group had such ripe opportun gut gill and fillet poor bastard popcorn bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea hope you not flame give coutesi you tammi
alt.atheism	judg bobbi articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd subject judg bobbi date wed apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write bobbi liberti quot christian writer name ellen white hope that will you edit your remark thi group futur not set standard not make your opinion your view duti your interpret scriptur criterion for and your heart condemn not come your ideal thought fromth mount bless hope quot thi doesn make atheist gag ellen white put tammi point peac bobbi mozumd point that you set your view that eveil thi world caus atheism ridicul and counterproduct dialogu thi newsgroup your post spirit condemn atheist thi newsgroup bacaus don exactli you you convert atheist you fail miser posit constantli defend agaist insult attack you you blind that you didn messga quot tammi
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl apr leland stanford edu rush leland stanford edu voelkerd write worri case innoc man convict horribl warrant death penalti and put law into place make virtual imposs execut real crimin death penalti not serv origin purpos chang don number back thi accordingli you us cuff number innoc peopl sentenc die accept loss for benefit capit punish surpris ratio that low approxim dozen case execut innoc sinc turn centuri that period sentenc peopl death account for case that don truth reason assum that twice that innoc peopl fact execut that rais number death sentenc meter sinc half million for your accept ratio hold doubt that case point accept loss not even that perhap find solut bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek suggest solut realiz hand natur number us and can answer accept loss rate anoth post despis idea support crimin for life econom situat that concern monei spent feed cloth hous and take care peopl demonstr that unfit live societi number place and worthwhil and enrish live american give peopl job give homeless shelter number thing clyde girl butterfli don reason robert heinlein
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh convinc religi fantasi time that messiah rebel leader that organis jew built into godhood for purpos throw yoke roman oppress reason wouldn liar follow die for lie moslem fanat strap bomb back and drive into jewish embassi dy for truth hint nazi soldier wwii dy for truth peopl die for li time wouldn peopl liar peopl hitler liar napoleon mussolini ronald reagan spend million dollar year find techniqu detect ly answer wouldn liar li thing gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl you heal peopl bibl god doesn exist possibl bibl not divin inspir and can us piec evid written unbias observ niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl hitler mussolini lunat genghi khan jim jone thousand exampl histori peopl drawn lunat drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing cannot rule liar lunat not mention possibl not thi triad thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray possibl fulfil propheci awar order fulfil propheci possibl select dite behalf keeper holi bibl for thousand year gener public had access possibl that text written such riddl nostradamu that that happen can twist fit word rave fiction propheci and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us stuff hard christian delet sever recommend you reconsid reason you christian unconvinc unbias observ jeff
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl ajinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kmr cwru edu keith ryan write chimp almost human thi mean that chimp moral will chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior verb warn that back kindergarten such law jon
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian shouldn involv bit delet book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing righto dan thi your cornflak book that muhammad liar crazi modern dai mad mahdi reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear son law made sun stand call fool make sun stand niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn mad mahdi fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing ron hous usq hous helio usq edu toowoomba australia
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and jon grow childish propagandist gregg point that practic thing aren quit wonder utopia you folk claim upset you exactli childish open question bbci exampl islam own and oper bank will bet weren real islam owner and oper and turn long run and quit ruthless oper steal monei small and quit naiv depositor and naiv depositor put life save into bcci nasti interest motiv western bank street that believ islam own and oper bank couldn possibl cheat don con into think that will work time jon
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl sninn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you that isn for instinct act moral that thing explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari that order for act act moral person immor action disregard weaker that possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti polli isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli and emphasi you place intellig anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli jon
alt.atheism	moraltii polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write act moral for reason moral moral instinct anim that moral instinct anim attempt assum your conclus conclus you conclus correct err that behaviour instinct anim natur moral system disagre definit moral earlier you that consciou act your definit instinct behavior pattern act moral you appli human term human that even not consciou altern thi not prevent behavior moral you don that moral behavior pattern human moral moral action that consist pattern that enforc behavior moral you get thi backward you show that behaviour pattern moral whether moral behavior pattern irrelev sinc can behavior pattern for exampl motion planet that peopl not call moral show your definit can shown and moral can thought larg class princpl defin term thing law physic you silli talk moral planet obei law phyic silli talk anim free will keith
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thi thread start discuss whether not death penalti constitut cruel punish forbidden constitut didn meant cruel you suprem court and make sens refer constitut quit silent mean word cruel spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli intent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici discuss death penalti and that discuss result murder result intial discuss object moral thi time remov moral discuss discuss mene word cruel and constitut noth that discuss relat death penalti and constitut not defin each word doesn cruel can dictionari and keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write that you thought theori meant human gener capabl overpow instinct not follow that thi necessarili intellig aren anim gener capabl overpow instinct good question biologist answer anim brain set differ anim can train instinct serv reason contradict keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write don expect lion not kind fact don evid that lion such issu and that don you can assign moral signific instinct behaviour lion that moral behavior like null behavior that doesn work moral immor case that craziest thing heard you doesn work moral that moral remnant evolut and that peopl discuss moral daili basi kind evolutionari hangov your toe moral system base concept practic anim kingdom thi us phrase base not suffici familiar you mean base and signific for your argument you basic that you moral undefin term and that moral system don exist can agre definit term can hope discuss perfectli clear that that moral system that can speak for peopl thi doesn anywher your belief irrelev you can share discuss can you moral belief you rais topic never consid quit happi invent moral belief thin air jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl jiinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write not that made nazi comparison peopl compar religi peopl nazi germani that start thing knew thing strang and grew bigger thing that motto thing you contradict motto thing that bother mentiopn you huh thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us imperail germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul terribl help set psycholog gradual disenfranchis jew made easier jon
alt.atheism	thought christian excerpt netnew alt atheism apr thought christian dave fuller portal sick religi type pamper look for and worst respect atheist end sight coupl good atheist even good steadfast agnost high polit offic last time had openli atheist presid don aren rhetor question bout suprem court justic thing that tick ago for new program local station promo cult and prei young ahem hear baptism birth that isn prei young don us ack barf cathol and even confirm shortli thereaft decid load mom insist that continu church felt duti bring believ that presumptu thing heard life suggest talk priest and agre priest amazingli cool basic that didn good forc guess wasn amazingli cool respons you hope for expect human pose didn expect find absurd that religion exist can us peopl face fact that you worm food decad and that isn cosmic purpos human and univers can pretti difficult for peopl readili pre digest solut thi pretti attract you gullibl will suspend your reason abil for piec mind had stuff ram your throat for long you can rememb religion gener nice patch for human weak organ religion nice popul control blech chri chri leger sophomor carnegi mellon comput engin rememb you don you can ignor
alt.atheism	mari fault you occur todai that thi christian thing can blame sole mari marri joseph get knock you joe will find get mari come thi ridicul stori god make pregnant can that ridicul number peopl that never tell truth and even tell poor jesu that hot shit son god tell thi sinc bought mari stori mari turn adultress and liar and mankind greatest folli recent mint two cent chri chri leger sophomor carnegi mellon comput engin rememb you don you can ignor
alt.atheism	rawlin debunk creation articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin wrote talk origin not scienc scienc cannot explain origin for person exclud scienc issu origin that higher truth scienc thi fals premis hear god enjoi scienc you don understand observ god creation macroevolut mixtur percent scienc and percent religion guarante percent error bill herebi award you golden shovel award for biggist pile bullshit whil afraid not bit religion macroevolut and you made grand statement that scienc can not explain origin larg extent bill rawlin wpr atlanta peter walker you knowledg dept space physic you thing that you and astronomi you not thing admit you not rice univers thi knowledg houston ung tzu
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian thi alt atheism hope you arent convert make sens disagre book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh you shouldn give book weight don that statement correct like that jesu fame attribut death had strong motiv thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon propheci and signific don peopl understand christian understand not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake sell your comput and donat you life your religion don wast time keith
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl qkq horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai thi candid for object and condit for object moral that object valu such thi exist you shown that vast major not agre thi noth subject major event challeng your assert societi heck citizen will trade freedom for secur promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	islam author women snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write articl apr wam umd edu west wam umd edu write and belief horror crusad emascul and intern nativ american kill tribe south america inquisit counter reform and war that salem witch trial european witch hunt holi war middl east colon destruct africa war christian and islam post crusad genocid biblic canaanit and philistin aryian invas india attempt genocid jew nazi germani current missionari assault tribe africa horror you mention due lack peopl religion lack peopl religion includ fanat peopl that don you that you you shove throat that religion horror cover fals save peac bobbi mozumd thought anoth bibl defin not lack religion book esther read dai for reason describ origin pur jewish celbrat joi and peac long and short stori that peopl kill peopl trip peaceful solut ly you couldn swing sacr cow slammin into nice peac solut joshua and jawbon ass spring mind agre bobbi thi religion us kill larg number peopl not us form manner that origin intend for that doesn reduc number death directli caus religion minor observ fact that almost noth pure univers act honestli attempt find true mean religi teach time inspir hatr and led war peopl led religi leader involv stomach contentsthan absolut truth and driven kill leader point that thing involv religion that lead war whether thing part religion unpleas side effect bobbi result peopl switch religion and atheism spontan result religi group long involv major bloodiest part man histori atheist hand preen preen typic not ideolog social cast driven organ and spread belief overus nazism and stalin show true thi two group clear and specif ideolog religi persecut mean cannot obviou that group found for reason us religi persecut not belief system made powerful hard basic bobbi exampl war that not specif fought religion that not choic kei west flame heat bottom silver butter dish ciao chri blask
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist articl utinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write want thi omnisci perform feat term action wrong you omnisci you exactli and purpos mind goal mind you sould method judg whether not thi action accord gener goal you contradict pretti massiv and don you even notic anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien that make moral jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl pinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write fall back thing thi not us wors nation anthem chang god bless america list wors not defin violat rule govt supposedli follow chang not person concern anthem sinc don come across daili unavoid routin christian and tempt rub that motto face christian debunk standard motto sling get bore you peopl you despis don despis peopl opinion meant chat refus listen idea becom exercis for amus for motto legitim read god god godless trust you approv such motto not rid current chang such that
alt.atheism	moraltii polit atheist articl ekinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write act moral for reason moral moral instinct anim that moral instinct anim attempt assum your conclus conclus you conclus correct err that behaviour instinct anim natur moral system disagre definit moral earlier you that consciou act your definit instinct behavior pattern act moral you appli human term human pardon appli human term human confus gui that anim behaviour instinct not moral sugnific refus appli human term anim turn into appli human term that even not consciou altern thi not prevent behavior moral you thi you convinc you don that moral behavior pattern human moral moral action that consist pattern that enforc behavior moral you get thi backward you show that behaviour pattern moral whether moral behavior pattern irrelev sinc can behavior pattern for exampl motion planet that peopl not call moral show your definit can shown offer time accept your definit you ascrib moral signific orbit motion planet and moral can thought larg class princpl defin term thing law physic you silli talk moral planet obei law phyic silli talk anim free will law silli and silli livesei find intuit silli schneider find intuit silli that devast argument isn jon
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl bcc ic uci edu bvicker ic uci edu brett vicker write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write you not muslim sort fatwa issu khomeini not relev you can understand your fear persecut and share even you muslim rushdi behavior not complet excus consid call islam relat dialogu total wast time can restrain thi instanc gregg thi come sens and accept know wisdom and power quran and allah not that allah drop congratul wise choic allah roll bone and allah get crisco bend and invit spin block wow realiz that allah for commit readi for man program gotta call you think renounc islam btw gregg allah think you jim
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl bafa dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write fortun religion replac system that human right higher secular law crimin life victim life islam place right societi and member right individu thi call true human right you support claim preced islam law case you law religion muslim live muslim land bound law land live not disregard islam law remain part life law land conflict religion such extent that prevent allow practis religion leav land islam law precend secular law instruct follow law land that live islam state rule khaliph religion islam allow rule religi law provid don affect genral popul and don come into direct conflict state law dhimmi muslim popul exempt islam law religion such fight jihad give zakat alm give etc benefit two act such militari protect and poor will receiv zakat not rushdi and reliabl inform hadn left islam islam law burden proof benedikt fatwa didn rushdi affirm faith islam didn public convers islam bind islam law publicli renounc belief islam burden ma inc masud ahm khan ma cadenc opinion
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write thi sound nice help each and smile and fluffi bunni wake peopl not that evid histori that societi succeed had reli goodwil and unselfish peopl isn obviou place iran that even greedi peopl societi attract posit power sound recip for disast leonard mail newnham bradford leonard give you exampl thi father recent bought busi busi price pound and father approach peopl commun for rais pound interest free loan friend and rel and muslim knew had cash and rest busi loan pai muslim lender help loan clear bank debt and save intrest thi exampl muslim commun help anoth common ident muslim turn father help peopl bui hous minimis amount intrest pai and case bui hous intrest free fortun commun fact leonard work fluffi bunni sight ithat beauti islam ma inc masud ahm khan ma cadenc opinion
alt.atheism	pompou ass andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write fall back thing thi not us wors wors not defin violat rule govt supposedli follow for motto legitim read god god godless trust you approv such motto not rid current chang such that wrong thi motto you wouldn approv even that begin that you motto gener you plurbi unum keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us imperail germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul don thing order wors motto you that motto thing that will lead wors thing keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari you that moral act signific voluntari you thi and human abil disregard instinct intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti polli isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli you attach thing term moral thi good that anim speci don kill each you thi you that anim machin and that noth wrong anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori weren arbitrari kill slai relat sort mate ritual whatnot you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli don understand your distinct you mean can small child moral gorilla dolphin platypu line drawn awar you call mechan prevent anim speci arbitrarili kill each don you find fact that don signific keith
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv that human somewhat thi perhap goal actual suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis that make moral type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess keith
alt.atheism	member jcopelan nyx edu and write offici keeper list nicknam that peopl alt atheism didn had such list you your award nicknam buckminst time you post articl sign your nicknam dave buckminst fuller jim humor mean never you copeland list agre nicknam law laid gipu almost year ago you that written iron tablet that melt onc and had reinscrib sinc prophet gipu decre that you post list nicknam for frequent poster nanci
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos law not such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp societi into chao keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl qlef inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us imperail germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul don thing order wors motto you that motto thing that will lead wors thing you don thing twenti twenti hindsight you led jon
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist articl qlf ginn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv that human somewhat thi perhap goal actual human somewhat exactli thread you tell that natur moral anim surviv and thi thread you claim that omnisci can and wrong thi omnisci us for criterion long term surviv human speci omnisci map into assign and wrong action suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis your origin premis habit chang time perhap you review for and differ omnisci assign and wrong action and tell result that make moral type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess talk moral introduc you implement thi omnisci that can assign and wrong action you type moral that jon
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write leonard give you exampl thi father recent bought busi busi price pound and father approach peopl commun for rais pound interest free loan friend and rel and muslim knew had cash and rest busi loan pai muslim lender help loan clear bank debt and save intrest thi exampl muslim commun help anoth common ident muslim turn father help peopl bui hous minimis amount intrest pai and case bui hous intrest free fortun commun wrong thi bank start place sooner your father and pal will lend monei eventu broke and will realis that havn manag risk will that quantifi risk and persuad borrow not greater loan can carri and sinc don want worri calcul and handl monei will specialis that reinvent interest good muslim call fact leonard work fluffi bunni sight ithat beauti islam riiiight that john major open govern depart coupl month ago promot minor busi can lend anoth cup sugar jon
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl qlettinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari you that moral act signific voluntari you thi you forc moral respons for and human abil disregard instinct make your mind instinct not murder not intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti polli isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli you attach thing term moral thi good that anim speci don kill each you thi not even correct anim speci kill anoth you that anim machin and that noth wrong sigh time round thi loop that instinct bahaviour moral signific quit prepar that higher anim such primat begin moral sens sinc exhibit awar anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori weren arbitrari kill slai relat sort mate ritual whatnot you that kill anim moral signific and not thi your natur moral you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli don understand your distinct you mean can small child moral gorilla dolphin platypu line drawn awar you blind you that thi sentenc mean possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern that impli you call mechan prevent anim speci arbitrarili kill each don you find fact that don signific find fact that signific jon
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl jxru new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write you base your belief atheism your knowledg and reason couldn that wrong atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and grow childish propagandist gosh gregg pretti good read line you preciou work thi refut you flesh bit miss full grandeur content virtu blind atheism bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write that moral behavior like null behavior smell sig materi bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl mdinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write discuss relat death penalti and constitut not defin each word doesn cruel can dictionari and dictionari gain hand knowledg suffer your post bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl jiinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail ann frank exhibit make your small world afternoon bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	thought christian articl ofnwyg voa andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu patrick leger write hear baptism birth that isn prei young don that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl qlfd inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos law not your high and exactli quotat mark enclos law not case you didn notic function that ironicis such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp societi into chao perhap chimp that fail evolv cooper behaviour di and left that evolv such behaviour chanc you proclaim natur moral time organ evolv cooper behaviour natur moral bee danc jon
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write human somewhat exactli thread you tell that natur moral anim surviv and thi thread you claim that omnisci can and wrong thi omnisci us for criterion long term surviv human speci that question isn goal not that obviou can set goal happi and liberti and golden rule etc goal aren inher defin object system omnisci map into assign and wrong action not difficult you goal mind and absolut knoweldg intent etc you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis your origin premis habit chang time perhap you review for and differ omnisci assign and wrong action and tell result omnisci fine long inform not isn thi resolut free will problem interact omnisci situat type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess talk moral introduc you implement thi omnisci that can assign and wrong action you type moral that speak object system gener didn mention specif goal determin moral action keith
alt.atheism	islam caus believ genocid caus theism articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write that can happen atheism beleiv knowledg religion good can happen thi tiresom statement come you definit not assert islam good belief islam good believ islam can produc good islam good blah blah blah that circular get and equal meaningless that produc good good that produc noth unappli definit and you applic that true you true that silli convers you handedli that can happen atheism offshoot and becom true don and doesn religion aquaint islam teach exclus and cast and suggest harsh penalti for behavior that logic call for punish limit speech and sex for exampl thi not good pain and suffer justif for wave hand inaccess god you toss word knowledg bit carelessli for knowledg believ contradict term infer that you mean believ term faith and you knowledg faith noth jim halat
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write precis reject god and leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not reject god that rushdi made atheism clear front suffici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit that problem organ religi not idea that simpl speech such thi basi for crime jim halat
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write precis reject god and leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not reject god that rushdi made atheism clear front suffici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit add that imposs reject god you choos punish talk jim halat
alt.atheism	silli question tianiti articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write insult your homest come wisconsin backward never understand that peopl held such bigot and backward view never wisconsin neighbor minnesota child middl atlant found that state provenc that stood thi youngster mind california texa and florida name obviou minnesota and wisconsin stuck sole basi polit translat extrem liber and progress state and recent trip minnestoa last summer serv support that state reput guess that wisconsin that impress peopl minnesota left neighbor question head wisconsin whether not effect relationship chees and serial killer jim halat
alt.atheism	nonexist atheist date apr edt kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu articl bskendigc jcwx jzn netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write quot delet peopl idea mean atheist bobbi mozumd clone world thought that explain thing post soc religion islam attach quot bobbi effect that atheist ly evil scum and ask commonli held idea muslim respons ask unknown guess you soc cultur group middl east south asia area open islam channel defin atheist polytheist cuz world creat that each particl god creat god soc cultur african nice for contrast viewpoint benevol religion sudan mention
alt.atheism	keith relativist articl pigidinnsot gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger aha admit moral relativist keith you start wafffl for human maul thrown into cage speak you start post tome decent evid retract your absolut moral blurb week ago keith desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa hate opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mechan that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain
alt.atheism	thought articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write hope you not flame give coutesi you tammi person balanc reason argument tammi happi discuss make astound claim not back evid expect substanti origin author had that opinion and not support peopl simpli not claim thing and logic flaw argument for christian effort convinc atheist and messag for will not thing read you told that pink fluffi eleph danc sugar plum fairi dark side jupit demand evid adda adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
alt.atheism	object valu scientif accuraci year can that christian moral articl jzv dc dc tommi kelli wrote articl qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write scienc real world basi valu not round you you valu mean us and you scienc that you equat real world scienc recognit pattern percept univers and make qualit and quantit predict percept scienc process model real world base commonli agre interpret observ percept noth valu can valu not experi not and valu can refer mean for exampl comput scienc true and fals scienc base commonli agre valu interpret observ scienc can result reinterpret valu object valu set valu propos believ applic valu underlai scienc not object sinc never fulli agre and chang time valu newtonian physic quantum mechan steve lang slang sling slink slick slack shack shank thick
alt.atheism	victim good fight articl tekig pen tek naren tekig pen tek naren bala write list kill name religion iran iraq war civil war sudan riot india pakistan massacar bangladesh inquist america million crusad massacr jew wwii million massacr inferior race wwii million communist purg million social religion cathol protest quit imagin recent go bombai iodia area diseas introduc brazilian oher tribe million naren desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa hate opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mechan that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster articl innpit gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write you threaten motto peopl that us time somon write and describ norm infact inforc that norm program not for motto danger tell world that true american god fear and put not fear god doesn make danger good job exist your currenc keith desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa hate opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mechan that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain
alt.atheism	mari fault andrew cmu edu patrick leger write you occur todai that thi christian thing can blame sole mari marri joseph get knock you joe will find get mari come thi ridicul stori god make pregnant nice attempt chri verrri close you miss conspiraci step joseph knew knock couldn that mari prego that wouldn for popular local circl happen that feel guilti feel embarrass and decid improv imag downfal for clever come gain respect for coupl joseph and mari receiv prais paid jesu dave buckminst fuller that keeper nicknam
alt.atheism	origin bibl adda wainwright write state that thousand bibl discov point time syllabl perfect thi meant that copi time time quot acquaint approxim year death jesu thi complet nonsens codif bibl wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi apolog for long delai get respons thi post work reduc hour past coupl week had son born dai umar articl post btw respond coupl dai turn that coincident new softwar rearrang caus post thi site silent disappear into world thi revis that origin respons articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write articl finnm dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write function illiter absolut concept natur such thing thi respons claim that rushdi made fals statement life moham disclaim fiction line fact and fiction stand thi distinct fiction and fals statement not for write satan vers for peopl accept propagandist version contain that book find singl muslim convinc that read book initi claim shown knowledg book superfici newsweek stori impart and made factual misstat event book you thing thi you accus peopl make hominem argument repeat previou post read tsv cover cover had not that claim sweep you made factual misstat event book rais past islam clearer view thread root rushdi islam law thread statement not that you had not read book that you had not convinc that you inter alia had you want defend your posit produc evid and respond evid post you not statement not directli aim you broadli number muslim poster repeat propaganda book indic that haven read and narrowli gregg jaeger subsequ admit that hadn fact read book vindic skeptic that case thing your case statement you made book clearer view post challeng not interpret statement fact for instanc rushdi depict women respect famili islam whore and your claim had not thi that you read cover cover will resolv thi disagr critic interpret you support your end respond critic doubt abil muslim thi book highlight find passag person offens you upheld view that tsv intend attack islam and muslim thi view defend mere assert you want hard amic and ration and club defend honest opinion that thi book not constru calcul insult attack islam and parallel opinion that critic book baseless propaganda support statement and critic interpretationa context quot book and rushdi essai correspond you jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost chri faehl write atheist not mock concept god shock that theist fallen such low level that god you accus atheist part conspiraci evid rule condescend popul larg theist will not win peopl your faith anytim ruin your credibl fallaci atheism faith hear faq beckon onc wonder rule delet you correct you didn conspiraci correct hard atheism faith rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that will not explain thi you stalin noth name atheism wheth not atheist irrelev grip man stalin exampl brought not indict atheism anoth exampl peopl will kill name that fit for occas rule you reli evid state wait oppos reli bunch black ink crumbl paper atheism prove noth you burden dogmat religi bullshit provid evid you refer and long you wait hard atheism noth prove justifi that god not exist faq etc guess justif compel aren peopl flock hard atheism not and won for will discourag peopl hard atheism point sourc reliabl statement hard atheism second make you defend religion recogn hard atheism for faith and refer reader post evid that poster state that reli not theist can safe that definit theist not arrog sinc boast god god principl hard theist necessarili arrog such and such absolut unalter true dogma true not prepar issu blanket statement indict theist arrog you wont atheist bzzt virtu your innoc pronoun you issu blanket statement will apolog qualifi origin statement hard atheist place atheist you call john baptist arrog boast greater that christian todai that arrog not worthi misinform your sophist put theist your misinform shine bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write and god almighti creat night and dai and sun and earth celeti bodi swim each round holi quran hmm thi agre ptolem system earth centr planet orbit round copernicu and gallileo wrong you haven read carefulli you you will that doesn circl not move circl oop word not word qur evid that round gener sens wishi washi statement not scientif note that celesti bodi vers interpol bracket translat incorrect imho interpret mauric bucail translat studi arab for research into qur and scienc thi vers god creat night dai sun and moon each travel orbit motion qur posit aspect thi vers note mauric bucail that geocentr commonli accept notion time and for long time notion geocentr thi vers anywher qur fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism cindi apr solan solan unit cindi solan solan unit cynthia kandolf write quot delet interest save bit bandwidth will copi koran quot and god almighti creat night and dai and sun and earth celeti bodi swim each round holi quran point thi quot make claim orbit idea that orbit had held true for year koran written fact that orbit surpris insight concern word round two interpret thi word mean circl thi wrong believ true time koran written word not describ neighborhood univers exist thought time thi implic hope obviou mean round shape includ elips geometr form describ orbit planet thi not great insight shape you natur even approach squar rectangl human creat shape natur round degre even flat earther don claim earth rectangl children draw imaginari anim seldom give rectangular bodi instinct recogn that natur produc round shape assumpt that orbit planet round take divin inspir good rememb that translat extent interpret you point below back origin arab vers relev natur prefer us mauric bucail translat book bibl qur and scienc for gener translat liter mauric bucail translat portion vers you address each travel orbit motion note that celesti bodi translat quot you translat interpol not exist origin arab includ bracket perhap can read origin arab can elimin interpret rate exactli impress you vers isn that remark bucail surgeon that think signific that vers contain geocentr idea even geocentr rage centuri and thi for rest qur vers natur rememb read onc fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior disagre societi think irrelev individu decid that import societi thi fairli obviou defin accept gener feel idiot polici can legal moral posit think for ourselv mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	origin bibl articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write argument origin bibl theist acquaint state that thousand bibl discov point time syllabl perfect thi meant that copi time time quot acquaintac approxim year death jesu adda bibl scholar agre that copi each book time time author wrote work thi time period and earlier that exist todai copi cut crap god wrote answer oldest surviv copi testament part book scrap that date mid second centuri complet book letter etc middl centuri complet collect testament date earli centuri thi period write earli church father leader quot scriptur write truth acquaint statement you mean that discov thousand bibl perfect copi date last part centuri you mean that thousand earli manuscript date not letter perfect and that probabl text can reconstruct document and that earliest origin autograph lost written start shortli bibl origin origin author call matthew mark luke john peter paul jame and not identifi long piec string long you make adda regard jim
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost jame hogan write timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write jim hogan quip summari jim stuff jim afraid you miss point you admit that atheist lot sleev you suspect nah will encourag peopl learn atheism atheist sleev suspect quit meager you want send your address learn your faith faith yeah you expect peopl read faq etc and accept hard atheism you leap faith jimmi your logic run steam fine peopl shoot foot and mock idea god hope you understand jim understand you for provid healthi sarcasm that dispel sympathi had for your faith bake real glad you detect sarcasm angl bummin that won get your sympathi your inclin sympathi for faith you religion newsgroup care make whisper your ear delusion jim can piti you jim and that you feel denial faith you pretend that will end happili you start newsgroup alt atheist hard you won bummin good job jim bye bake slim jim delet bye bake bye bye bye bye big jim don forget your flintston chewabl bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	studi book mormon don mormon and want independ studi book mormon don bui offici stori gold origin heaven haven read book mormon work learn biblic hebrew will comment result studi style vocabulari place name intern consist and for exampl evid for writer multipl writer mention event place histor person discov archeologist collen andr grino brandt casilla santiago agrino enkidu mic chile hai ma realidad que realidad razon profeta
alt.atheism	gulf war and peac nik articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write wait minut you never plai chamberlain sinc plai chamberlain east timor concern wouldn that lead you that your argument irrelev and had noth gulf war your idea perhap rest world bomb missil washington invad nicaragua grenada panama vietnam mexico hawaii number place wait minut doug you inform that never invad nicaragua liber grenada cuban protect citizen and prevent complet strateg air strip panama invad true twice thi centuri vietnam invit govern vietnam guess invad saudi arabia gulf war mexico invad mexico time onc thi centuri missil for shoot that time hawaii liber spain you mean word invad sort militari action cross border you invad carri connot attack autonom nation nation invad virgin island invad virgin island thi point view your score fall mexico panama peac nik that doesn masturb gun ammo suppos bad peac nik believ peac cost word person support give hitler not austria and czechoslakia poland avert war and hitler wipe jew slav and polit dissid area control long left rest alon suppos bad peac nik you depend your valu you life liberti peac freedom guess not liberti and freedom mean you life you die fight for liberti live tyrant heel bad peac nik problem peac nik not bad and unconscion not argument problem peac nik held ideal and stai conflict issu deal nation defens not will legitim hold point view milit and time resort violenc name peac rank hypocrisi stop warmong will stand and defend freedom tyrant and realiz that requir strong nation defens time soapbox doug graham dgraham bnr opinion regard jim
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost nancyo fraser sfu nanci patricia connor write timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that you and david koresh claim christian yup can hear million cheer for josef stalin eat your heart bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	risen lord and savior david keresh risen aliv spread word sole intent learn fly
alt.atheism	idl question for fellow atheist acoop mac macalstr edu wrote atheist care specul face world atheist major minor group popul think thi and sinc cut ti christian surpris note that larg major peopl finland apatheist even popul member lutheran church finland religi peopl minor that peopl god case peopl not want seek truth fall prei pascal wager poor argument small minor read bibl regularli major doesn care believ doesn peopl don belief chang lifestyl want virtual gate open christian that not born spirit thi not disturb religion not afraid societi true atheist major imposs dream religion strong appeal peopl nevertheless promis life death human eagerli listen coupl threat etern tortur and idea that moral constant scrutini cosmic cop peopl poison smile pretend swallow and unconsci hope god wouldn notic atheist stanc and accor higher think theistic think typic selfish argument that line think evolv inher motiv not intrins qualit measur stick drawn and cannot assign system belief core altern appli peripheri express selfish logic and reason valu claim that atheist think higher theistic exposit theist make unnecessari assumpt good reason god leap faith revel logic and reason thi question bear resembl long disput problem scienc mathemat work strong deep structuralist atkin propos that perhap mathemat us criterion petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl asv new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write qvabj horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write make wrong assumpt for basi moral come question idea that heard that moral come societ mandat aspect moral societ moral necessarili crude and broad brush stuff attempt deal that societi and enthusiast individu moral thing includ societ more societi troubl stronger for exampl peopl vegetarian eat meat perfectli legal question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior societi depend societi doesn point irrelev answer societi make rule that question societi make rule that anoth don claim answer don ireland and thing system principl defin accept depend thi come question ideal don consensu imo legal moral posit adopt default posit that peopl moral decis societi busi can put peopl jail can condemn societi sometim that hard trick recognis and equal importantli isn and interf interfer imo isn that interfer jail and forc kind and degre and effect you deriv interfer difficult question sort liar paradox forc for freedom justif that peopl freedom shouldn object freedom paradox doesn aris don activ freedom introduct permiss interfer problem that can peopl agre that level interfer for justic system can even defin that term consensu guess you situat law honour forbid come admit don understand that statement mean that and such legal and such immor law let you you don eat meat for exampl frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	islam genocid psilink robert knowl psilink write date apr gmt frank dwyer frank articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write borrow your post rice psilink robert knowl psilink write you that democraci drive forc massacr east timor odd that world massacr occur religi line independ claim democrat form govern ireland and northern ireland consid democraci you attribut problem democraci even democraci motiv religion democraci rice point fallaci assert that islam evil claim follow evil not assert that democraci massacr read that and point that us indonesian kill east timores result democraci bit weak democraci not motiv for indonesia rememb east timor portgues territori forcibl annex indonesia last heard indonesian di east timor part indonesia portugues coloni strong cathol influenc east timor recal bit odd that anoth war fought peopl happen religion pure coincident guess real motiv vote and make democraci work indonesia point secess movement aceh brutal dealt past indonesian govern harshli secessionist movement evid appear that indonesian govern dealt harshli secess movement that head indonesian arm forc for long time benni murdani christian indonesia heavi hand east timor for long time even murdani head arm forc peopl make indonesian govern gener motiv nation interest not religi fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost robert knowl write atheist time hand apolog didn bother read faq and fire imprecis flame that inexcus nicknam bake flamethrow timmon robert koresh fetesh sic knowl good you weren koresh compound noon todai chanc you rememb koresh dri for your sin and pass that beef jerki umm umm wasn can reli you post you fetish for beef jerki and david koresh bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	christian moral articl prca new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl jt new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write wrong god free time correct mistak that continu not supposedli proclaim undi love for etern soul speak volum volum that speak fact that leav your choic you leav choic reason odd stori alleg son get kill for and past thousand year leav text pass centuri meddl mean and even word thi pass and interpret come vest interest not allow possibl that not ultim truth talk directli big god make time for creation love give each word direct convers busi unquestion miracul work and speak volum volum that never chanc meet gui and chat
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write jbrown batman bmd trw write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write fortun think folk your good power and deem accept slaughter ten even hundr thousand iraqi order liber oil hkuwait won war hurrah hurrah number civilian iraqi death exagger and exploit for anti war emotion liber new media fact that iraqi di gulf war civilian war compar size thi centuri analyz thi claim size war defin number particip geograph area number countri involv number casualti size armi durat number casualti absolut and percentag involv geograph area and number countri measur size thi case relev statist number combat total troop compar total casualti total civilian popul affect geograph area compar war talk vietnam and korea make good comparison liber new media talk western new gener american mass media cb nbc abc etc gener tone new war poor poor iraqi precis thi cruis missil blew thi build bit thi due short durat coupl precis surgic bomb techniqu technic recent suspect that medic advanc agre innoc peopl di blanket bomb don hear you bemoan perhap topic hasn crop you want opinion that blanket bomb german citi end world war two appal act wholesal slaughter thi countri commit centuri bomber harri hero mine perhap and atom bomb mistak that easi enlighten viewpoint back war and germani and japan had squash million british had di hundr thousand french coupl hundread thousand american and million russian not mention million jew pole and peopl slavic descent german concentr camp thing consid fire bomb and atom bomb essenti and justifi bring war quick end avoid even greater alli loss for don regret war never exact scienc smart bomb exact smaller percentag civilian casualti sometim mistak made target misidentifi innoc die that war entrench polit ruler oper selfish interest regard for live peopl that war and peopl suffer reason depos entrench polit ruler oper selfish interest you mean that thi appli alli fuss kuwait and not east timor bosnia even tibet iraq bad sell stuff coupl week start bomb make claim effort justifi misguid foreign polici west war evid that west america misjudg hussein drastic onc hussein invad kuwait and threaten militarili corner signific portion world oil suppli had stop war prevent judici and concert effort part west hussein invad kuwait hussein respons for decis invad and onc strong respons west requir mathew your sarcasm note you complet base you come sound complet peac nik idiot feel that not your intent your intent sound love christian you aren good job not love hussein hitler gobbl nearbi countri and continu mass slaughter peopl dominion stop hussein love thing for peopl involv onc set mind militari conquest iraqi war wrong that appeas work war even mention appeas and make you situat even remot analog world war two mention hadn interven allow hussein kuwait appeas precis lesson world learn that motiv western allianc war let hitler austria and czechoslavkia not stop happen and let hussein kuwait not stop eventu gulf war protect saudi arabia guess shouldn fought innoc german civilian kill dresden and hamburg german human you unfortun that hitler grandios quest for thousand year reich consequ stem that tyrant hussein stop kind don understand diplomaci understand point gun regret that bush wimp and didn militari roll into baghdad hussein power and iraqi peopl sacrific not mention american di for naught forward hear your incis comment east timor and tibet and for poor poor rodnei king you stop and juri trial brought back verdict not guilti thing thought hmm aw lot white peopl that juri policemen trial not rodnei king and american law deserv juri peer had black offic involv black juror thi point allegedli racial motiv shallow foam mouth for blood policemen look video tape juri look evid evid you and not bunch policemen beat ly defenceless ground hard imagin thi evid hard imagin argument incredul gain accept rever author construct logic argument can expect anoth revis kid wonder evid seemingli secret not you king deserv good beat and live happili admit that thi prosecut defens talk cannot conclud due silenc princip law thi countri intend protect right accus whether crimin cop not found guilti reason doubt guilt and juri posit assess evid and render verdict fine find hard imagin reason doubt thi case mean cop beat ly defenceless ground your explan mass hallucin orbit mind control laser fake video footag that excess forc involv and frankli origin not guilti verdict baffl learn that prosecut case not convict charg excess forc simpl assault won convict charg aggrav assault intent inflict bodili harm charg new comment akin attempt murder california law base prosecut ask for evid that juri decid that offic not guilti note not not guilti wrong not guilti aggrav assault intent inflict bodili harm seed prosecut defeat overconfid obtain verdict such that for extrem charg fact new comment present true feel not guilti verdict reason mathew thou shalt not kill thou hast pretti good reason for kill case thou shalt kill and kill get cannot help jim brown bibl for love christian mathew quot pretti funni monti python fan you kind that vein oversimplifi moral argument can make contradictori you that regard jim love christian
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl pxq darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner dean kaflowitz decai cbnewsj att wrote interest origin notion you discuss moral free agenc that can god punish person for not believ that person natur and not for that person deni reason tell that god you let atheist mytholog confus you issu webster myth tradit legendari stori belief truth accept uncrit that qualifi almost oxymoron amus instanc found that atheist hold almost atheist view accept uncrit that legend explain basic truth myth don meet criterion divin justic fundament doctrin christian man sin that time you accus referenc mytholog you proced launch your xtian mytholog thi time meet requir myth salvat idea punish base proposit that instinct that god exist creator and not that god exist you fallaci noth terribl difficult thi and biblic liter christian controversi and that make true hold bibl rule controversi read faq you read you miss read not bad suggest for read thi pretend not and mean atheist claim that not god exist and don contradict bibl that author bibl claim repeat wrote for sake get across you trust bibl your trust doesn make credibl bibl that that reason doubt bibl not your alleg god alleg exist refut speci wide condemn justifi that claim that evid for exist god that will unknown deliber ignor bibl ignor excus don ignor bibl bibl univers accept bibl not proof god proof that peopl thought that god prove even that write seri fiction short stori case dionet assum writer believ thing possibl prove that believ and that ignor problem whether not interpret and biblic philosoph correct peopl never heard bibl read faq freedom you free ignor god you free ignor graviti and consequ inevit and case that atheist can accept evid mean bzzt wrong answer graviti directli doesn stop exert direct and ration undeni influenc you ignor god hand doesn gener show supermarket tabloid god doesn exert ration undeni influenc graviti obviou god aren secondli human reason comforatbl concept god that intrins natur human reason come back question god gener and human reason hasn come back exist god come back exist god word doesn gener come back xtian god come back whether god and orient philosoph histori gener doesn pop idea god question natur forc and world wide view human natur make univers and forc control natur tendanc god exist religi wish think thi make point that christian emin reason that divin justic and human natur atheist whether you agre not xtianiti reason religion and reason doesn merit emin divin justic divin not atheist thing human natur second whether atheist correct not you not correct human natur you base your view complet eurocentr approach world you attempt sum human andrew
alt.atheism	genocid caus theism evid articl qibo horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write absenc convinc evid that theist fanat danger atheist fanat continu wari fanat stripe that agnost fanat danger lot fair point mention theist and atheist left agnost mea culpa light that you theist pass agnost rememb your post your daughter sing chrisma carol and your feel you show margin honesti and answer question you left open you ceas respond last time benedikt
alt.atheism	islam genocid articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write delet peopl can imagin dy for capit can imagin dy for democraci lot will die for lord and savior jesu christ di cross for sin motiv pure and simpl cite for thi nonsens peopl will die for mom patriot freedom monei kid fast car and swim pool night kim basing mel gibson and thing evil read histori book fred and religion command commit genocid noth religion religion that not live standard religion wors die coincid assum ist part absolut moral you describ theism strongli correl irrat belief absolut irrat belief absolut strongli correl fanat benedikt
alt.atheism	articl pepper east sun geoff east sun geoff arnold sun bo coast top write your post provok into check save file for memor post captur ken arromde feb subject atheist that articl your question articl averag articl dai for last year note current post rate such that kill file depress larg post save earli dai articl notabl hei interest read post regularli post alt atheism loren sunlight llnl gov loren petrich jchrist nazareth israel rel jesu christ nazareth mrc tomobiki cho cac washington edu mark crispin perri apollo jim perri lippard uavax ccit arizona edu jame lippard minski media mit edu marvin minski interest bunch hee hee hee ain promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl mdinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write thi thread start discuss whether not death penalti constitut cruel punish forbidden constitut didn meant cruel you suprem court and make sens refer constitut quit silent mean word cruel spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli intent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici question found father cruel and unusu punish hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psychological imagin fire squad note not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found father promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl ajinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen read faq watch list week and come back and read book matter order broaden your view benedikt
alt.atheism	apostl tortur articl qiu innpq srvr engin umich edu ingl engin umich edu rai ingl write evid for resurrect claim that discipl tortur death for belief and not renounc claim that jesu had come back dead skim act and such and found refer thi happen stephen thi appar wide held belief come evid bibl evid bibl haven found earli author and legend import sourc can found martyriologia cathol church make grimm exact scienc benedikt
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl qlfd inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos law not such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp societi into chao system refer moral system you havn shown reason that chimp moral system you redefin promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	articl pepper east sun geoff east sun write your post provok into check save file for memor post captur ken arromde feb subject atheist that articl your question articl averag articl dai for last year note current post rate such that kill file depress larg post save earli dai articl notabl loren sunlight llnl gov loren petrich jchrist nazareth israel rel jesu christ nazareth mrc tomobiki cho cac washington edu mark crispin perri apollo jim perri lippard uavax ccit arizona edu jame lippard minski media mit edu marvin minski interest bunch didn you hear address chang can reach address dkoresh branch davidian compound waco last post alt messian jim god dead and actor plai part sting word fear will find place your heart histori voic reason faith curs will teach freedom past thing can wors noth
alt.atheism	free moral agenc you that physic adam and ev and that human direct decend two human be cain and wive couldn sister didn daughter human genesi and dai adam begat seth hundr year and begat son and daughter felicit chri stuart
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write jbrown batman bmd trw write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write liber new media talk western new gener american mass media cb nbc abc etc gener tone new war poor poor iraqi precis thi cruis missil blew thi build bit odd suffer iraqi civilian end war and confin remain qualiti newspap true new media entranc gizmo militari not mention tape video transmiss missil zero target and bunker full civilian hit chang tone that didn stomach for realiti war that innoc peopl die and maim warfar pro gulf war long nice and clean smart missil drop militari hq not pictur dead dy and maim civilian start crop naiv hypocrit innoc peopl di blanket bomb don hear you bemoan discuss blanket bomb and bomb delet thing consid fire bomb and atom bomb essenti and justifi bring war quick end avoid even greater alli loss militarili justifi your comment below that you understood thi mean moral justifi apolog evid that america knew japan surrend hiroshima nagasaki that anoth lie peddl liber media conspiraci wonder thi thought that bomb drop japan island fortress truk good inpenatr militari target second bomb held back for us industri center digress heard that found evid war btw that japan surrend bomb militari junta won moder and reject ulimatum second bomb drop unfortun imo for don regret nuke jap for jesu don regret fact that sometim militari decis made affect live innoc peopl regret circumst make decis and regret suffer caus decis fuss kuwait and not east timor bosnia even tibet iraq bad sell stuff coupl week start bomb make claim effort justifi misguid foreign polici west war evid that west america misjudg hussein drastic onc hussein invad kuwait and threaten militarili corner signific portion world oil suppli had stop can overlook chemic weapon thousand peopl threaten your drive huge ga guzzl car man gotta fact that situat exist that prompt and alli action back water countri back water countri wouldn interven not that don care can world policman coup had occur kuwait invas wouldn act not immin danger perceiv saudi arabia combin two unprovok invas genocid tyrant and potenti danger west oil interest caus action move paragraph hadn interven allow hussein kuwait appeas you hear advoc such action you set strawman not set strawman you want argu war logic altern hussein kuwait diplomat altern includ sanction ineffect guess shouldn fought innoc german civilian kill dresden and hamburg german human you unfortun that hitler grandios quest for thousand year reich consequ stem that translat ask for sens had idea end hitler lead nation didn support hitler dream conquest not democrat vote for polici nsdap elect and that last chanc german peopl vote matter suffer rest thi bother you world full evil and circumst not perfect innoc suffer due wrong action regret that perfect solut forward hear your incis comment east timor and tibet peopl east timor kill dictatorship that invad countri hell even western journalist kill thi happen gulf war didn send bomber east timor aren send bomber not savior world can polic each and countri that decid destruct invad anoth strateg posit relief tibet east timor place that paragraph move your intent sound love christian you aren good job not love hussein hitler gobbl nearbi countri and continu mass slaughter peopl dominion stop hussein love thing for peopl involv onc set mind militari conquest chines govern polici mandatori abort and steril tibetan tibetan peopl round tortur and execut amnesti intern recent report that tortur widespread china aren stop fact activ suck trade freeli stop and support for not agre present polici suck you put agre that deplor and for poor poor rodnei king you stop and juri trial brought back verdict not guilti thing thought hmm aw lot white peopl that juri policemen trial not rodnei king erm sure irrelev trial juri suppos repres cross section popul suppos reflect popul local trial held thi crime commit parti can convinc judg chang venu order not expert california law even law that thi system set you can critic system not unfound alleg racial prejudic thrown and american law deserv juri peer you that black peopl not peer white peopl not point that fact that black juri and that rodnei king black total irrelev thi point allegedli racial motiv shallow thi idea peopl juri peopl stupid nuremburg trial had juri made nazi german perhap peer doesn mean thing murder judg murder mean peopl station life posit understand defend motiv foam mouth for blood policemen look video tape juri look evid evid you and not bunch policemen beat ly defenceless ground hard imagin thi evid hard imagin argument incredul gain accept rever author construct logic argument not talk logic argument talk court law faq point fallaci argument not view fallaci court law grant you thi reason part your logic argument thi discuss thi not court law fact new comment present true feel not guilti verdict reason you not talk earlier bia liber media conspiraci media not total monolith even prevail liber bia program such macneil lehrer new hour give balanc and fair report new even conserv sourc you hurrah for rush btw never us word conspiraci don accept evid theori that pervad liber conspiraci attempt new sourc thou shalt not kill thou hast pretti good reason for kill case thou shalt kill and kill get cannot help jim brown bibl for love christian mathew quot pretti funni monti python fan you kind that vein oversimplifi moral argument can make contradictori you that atheist argu kill innoc peopl you suppos christian argu that kill innoc peopl long you guilti didn that good thing kill innoc peopl end don live perfect world and perfect solut resist tyranni innoc peopl side suffer and die didn unfortun sometim moral relativist argu that satur bomb german citi end world war can evil and unnecessari act agre that evil sens that caus pain and suffer not that unnecessari you that conclus can arriv evalu factor involv and perhap unnecessari that doesn mean that had make decis bomb didn rare can full consequ action make decis time ahead don assum that feel bomb moral justifi don don condemn had make difficult decis difficult circumst you criticis moral relativ past argu that posit judg moral alli action end war you not such posit you moral relativist absolutist posit judg defer judgment you argu that action assess context time and that moral not moral wrong moral make decis bring quick end war simpli refus condemn for decis your christian love your absolut moral quick you discard suit you ivan stang jesu puke dai will stand jesu and give account word and action even thi discours thi forum understand full ramif that and prepar don that you can make claim mathew and btw reason brought blanket bomb germani you bemoan iraqi civilian casualti deplor blanket bomb institut bomb wasn accur hit industri militari target decis method that time gulf war precis bomb norm point make big stink rel civilian casualti that result spite precis bomb civilian proportion and quantit di blanket bomb even precis bomb mistak happen and civilian suffer civilian suffer thi war iani histori iraqi civilian live minim interfer alli air raid stori hundr thousand iraqi civilian dead plain bunk bunk lost servicemen year and major directli involv fight expect swallow that hundr thousand civilian iraqi di war last month and alli precis bomb creat that hogwash hundr thousand iraqi civilian di due action hussein peopl not due alli bomb regard jim
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost maddi hausmann chirp timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write you reason gui not honest and includ sentenc that honest end that swear that nice hmmmm recogn warn sign altern polit and rude come into newsgroup huge chip shoulder call peopl name and make nice whirrr click whirrr you forgot equal whirrr click whirrr below whirr click whirr frank dwyer contain that shell pop stack determin whirr click whirr killfil keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer maddi mad sound geek hausmann whirrr click whirrr bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write posit aspect thi vers note mauric bucail that geocentr commonli accept notion time and for long time notion geocentr thi vers anywher qur notion heliocentr even galacticentr sole intent learn fly
alt.atheism	amus atheist and anarchist mccullou whippl wisc edu write turn back and reread your post you attack atheism and that agnostic wasn funni atheism that impli that you agnost weak atheist peopl post such inflammatori remark theist reason assumpt you not state rule condescend popul larg theist will not win peopl your faith anytim ruin your credibl condescend popul larg state that happen true for long time couldn that peopl believ thi god idea alien concept not win peopl faith you put faith religion issu had attitud never even occur atheist default guess you common form condescend ration versu irrat attitud onc accept assumpt that god and faith irrat simpli assumpt contradict your assumpt lack consist you faith posit belief that god not exist close logic argument ration peopl problem that logic you soft atheist for flamag line atheist have sleev impli that read clipper project and paranoia seep clipper project btw rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that ruler similar thing past stalin plenti document afix blame evid that earli european ruler rule iron fist stalin you threw number and sick hear stalin exampl exampl doesn appli you manag angri your post appear attack form atheism appear attack atheism gener point that mass kill happen for sort reason peopl will hate will and will wave flag justifi cross hammer sickl stalin exampl import not wide unappreci era that peopl want forget peopl love and idea even that had wrought evid refer lack evid neg evid claim pink crow never pink crow that doesn mean couldn exist thi person claim that pink crow even admit hasn captur photo find etc sens that evid not exist pink crow that evid supposs evid for deiti show flaw and doesn show theist want show and pink crow unicorn elv argument world will not swai peopl for simpli not accept analog big reason that peopl want thi life you can pretend that don want thi for can accept and even want sometim and noth uniqu thi exampl peopl want god can love truth proven logic god god principl hard theist necessarili arrog make sens arrog make such claim previou refut stand and anoth net john baptist boast jesu peopl find hard that behavior arrog christian boast thi not necessarili arrog arrog christian doctor and teacher technic you person origin made claim arrog jesu for instanc you talk atheism strong atheism you talk weak atheism refus such claim atheism lack belief us good occam razor make final reject deiti that thing even present hypothesis equal fasion find theist argument not plausibl speak strong atheism find that evid support faith subject evid support love truth subject answer that apolog for you state incorrect assumpt your theism noth that you agnost that you anoth newbi christian net cheap shot apolog bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	you god court articl tan psuvm psu edu andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough articl monack helium monack helium ga uug arizona edu david monack write anoth issu that request not requir recit god part oath theistic juri prejud your testimoni even atheism not relev case recommend procedur for request altern oath affirm dave for follow respond server drop week worth new couldn you ask swear you god and you jesu allah vishnu zue odin specif don obnoxi humbl quit sit back and watch fun jame felder sverdrup technolog inc phone nasa lewi research center cleveland ohio email jfelder lerc nasa gov peopl drink fountain knowledg peopl gargl
alt.atheism	thought articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write deletia wrt pathet jee zu post bissel hope you not flame give coutesi you hasn extend courtesi you shown don pie tammi respect your belief you don stamp into scorn for poster sole purpos appear evangel tammi
alt.atheism	apostl tortur tradit church hold that apostl mean surviv discipl matthia barnaba and paul martyr for john tradit understood read earli church write bibl and heteroorthodox scriptur wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	thought articl saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian sound you part conspiraci organ belong name book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh logic alert artifici triferc explain that never exist good point made thi group that not imposs that amalgam number myth mithra come mind reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl logic alert argument incredul hard for you thi doesn mean that isn true liar can pursuas koresh that you site follow that don fake and shown that will die not give get shot koresh shown that will die for believ heal remem heal that attribut not consist gospel heal that not that faith healer can pull todai that earli gospel weren that compel stori bigger appeal niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing not exist number thing that logic pitfal that us flaw logic thi fall into bifurc tri quad etc that valid proceed step person show conclus that altern that onc agre that set argument altern can present and like true can deduc exclud altern can shown that set not inclus conclus base incomplet set invalid even true choic origin choic valid altern conclus that real mccoi isn two altern longer valid thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us rabbi knew propheci wouldn great shake make list action that fullfil propheci compel set clear and explicit propheci and had absolut knowledg fullfil don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv agre you bui into thi load mytholog and that total life respect for xian that don myth true true entir pick and choos that lot leav bad tast mouth jim jame felder sverdrup technolog inc phone nasa lewi research center cleveland ohio email jfelder lerc nasa gov peopl drink fountain knowledg peopl gargl
alt.atheism	thought fri apr gmt healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali trh hope you not flame give coutesi you trh you courteou and receiv courtesi return thi person post worst argument made pro christian peopl jesuit laugh face present such argument ignor fact that not true trilemma for moment nice word maddi origin real word and concentr liar lunat part argument claim that follow liar alon thousand peopl ron hubbard not liar and con artist thousand peopl follow dianet and scientolog baker and swaggert televangelist lie time number follow for lunat exampl hitler insan advisor thought had countri entral and close rule europ german gave live for thi dai follow amaz that peopl us thi argument wrong mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	thought christian apr gmt bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain articl ofnwyg voa andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu patrick leger write hear baptism birth that isn prei young don that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl thing scotsmen kilt never forget dai twelev and accid walk roomful priest sit underwar drink beer and watch footbal kind chang opinion bit didn menac that mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	victim good fight apr level unisa edu desert brat tdb diseas introduc brazilian oher tribe million fair thi happen eventu time american reach europ and thing happen matter togeth mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write and object valu specif and importantli motiv wild guess and freedom object valuabl freedom world gener doesn freedom tibetan for exampl mathew
alt.atheism	koresh god latest new that koresh will give onc finish write sequel bibl mathew
alt.atheism	articl innf senat bedfellow mit edu tcbruno athena mit edu tom bruno write stuff delet bring point post peopl alt atheism sinc damnedest stai top stuff delet hmm usenet collect hook into switch engin start read alt atheism not post messag time sinc never understand peopl can find time write can bare mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral repli frank frank dwyer peopl not word object mean put word moral assum idiom and cannot defin separ term give object moral moral built object valu dictionari philosophi anthoni flew objectiv belief that moral truth that remain true thought desir for instanc deliber inflict pain anoth simpli pleasur suffer thought plausibl exampl even world sadist reject content remain true remain correct even left count problem for objectivist determin statu moral truth and method can establish accept that such judgement not report relat naturalist fallaci cannot prove fact natur world can analyt sinc thi involv lack action guid content thing plainli true virtu vord involv unhelp practic guid action analyt and synthet thi point objectivist talk evid truth can deni subjectivist claim that evid mind behold not left claim that moral judgement true subjectivist feel that that remain that moral judgement associ hold moral opinion suggest not true prefer human activ david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl apr andrew nrp andrew norman paterson write don you germani daughter born and don german right vote live right citizen british citizen virtu parentag that not full citizenship for exampl don children british virtu fairli that obtain citizenship make applic for requir immigr germani almost that onc appli for citizenship inevit thi case interest your sentenc fact peopl come children born that will human right compar islam countri thi respect peopl iran children will human right you interest for your propaganda purpos time that don iran exemplari good islam state talk right peopl capitalist secular world countri give exampl lack right world countri broadli for exampl central american secular capitalist countri govt support amnesti intern point human right vacua gregg
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl jxru new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write you base your belief atheism your knowledg and reason couldn that wrong atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak you base ignor couldn that wrong wrong fall into trap that you mention heck talk and didn comment line thought mac bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	koresh god fri apr mathew mathew manti latest new that koresh will give onc finish write sequel bibl can fed tax evas don rememb hear run post offic last night mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	pope jewish west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write pope jewish thought that pope bear you that bear shit wood pope cathol connect two line
alt.atheism	bibl quiz articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl qgbmt usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu frank kirschner write sun start orbit earth will accept bibl sinc atheism mean trash religion god inbreed you son pope john paul
alt.atheism	islam author women benedikt rosenau dbstu wrote object belief perfect and make believ act and observ that don contradict defin contradictorili cannot exist that not exist secondli explan for exist object belief you read faq benedikt benedikt can recal claim that god make act particlar that you attempt manufactur contradict god requir behavior compuls believ sens duti standard conduct exist free ignor misunderstand distort wai find conveni respons god edict can us question god exist behavior believ complet separ question that god exist noth contradictori that defin contadictorili cannot exist ask you exist depend grammar you can that poorli defin that insuffici decid confus your point that reason for phenomenon belief object belief lead rat nest unnecessari complex you impli your version thi altern bill
alt.atheism	islam author women scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu wrote peopl hidden motiv state reason for war includ religion you can claim that real reason econom polit ethnic strife fact remain that justif for war conquer heathen you want for instanc that econom chief crusad you make that point come and demonstr that manner you show that not religion you thi manner elimin for crusad scott don make outrag claim religion affect and effect histori for purpso point that claim made wrong and noth valid atheism time made statement that religion sole point that make that kind claim mistaken deliber credit religion awesom power domin histori misunderstand human natur function religion and histori that distort histori thi exaclti and for affect bill
alt.atheism	thought jame felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote logic alert argument incredul hard for you thi doesn mean that isn true liar can pursuas koresh that you cite thi basi great reject christian account thing word madalyn murrei hair face folk silli disbeliev your incredul you admit that fallaci bill
alt.atheism	thought kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain wrote spank wrong didn lord liar lunat origin lewi thi campollo fellow and isn clear connect absurd notion origin christian origen similar statement attribut anselm that understand case reason somewhat exalt post accept mean that statement can properli analys thi venu bill
alt.atheism	thought christian mccreari edm twisto compaq wrote apr gmt bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain articl ofnwyg voa andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu patrick leger write hear baptism birth that isn prei young don that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl thi statement atheist sure not intend wit bill
alt.atheism	thought christian kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote thi good point averag peopl not christian fear escap quit simpli improv social life involv american cultur kid immigr for exampl sinc overwhelm major religion western world form simpli choic peopl bore and want live not somethong ordinari weak long doesn hurt social pressur import factor for major passiv christian world todai case earli christian promis heavenli afterlif independ your social statu promis gift reason slave and roman accept religion rapidli thi hypothet proposit you fact you cite your sourc thi amateur sociologist sub branch suffic alert unwari that you screw bill
alt.atheism	nicknam maddi hausmann madhau netcom wrote jcopelan nyx edu and write start poster annoi bobbi bill your command bill shit stirrer connor bobbi circular mozumd not nom net exactli come close wade make insight dead monei repsons agre that get stir character respond kinder you insist surpris find that offend case unavoid for fair import check contribut haven gener and patient verit paragon gentil btw don mind pair bobbi admir tenac you thi hostil environ you offens read your post love and kiss bill name conner not connor point humili innoc
alt.atheism	islam author women keith ryan kmr cwru edu wrote nice cop bill you idea you refer you mind explain cop bill
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist thi fascin atheist argu for abort defend homosexu mean popul control insist that valu biolog and condemn war and capit punish benedikt contardictori cannot exist thi case mean atheist suppos understand atheist can object war excel mean control popul growth capit punish logic escap and capit punish question proprieti kill punish basi ecomplaint bill
alt.atheism	american and evolut robert singleton bob thnext mit edu wrote isn mutual exclus lend weight increas notion run estim posterior probabl atheist pitch partit and necessarili reduc quantiti theist pitch thi divin compon fall prei ockham razor phenomenon satisfactorili explain and independ evid such compon detail post occam razor not law natur analyz argument even interest cite and end odd that religion simultan condemn primit simpl mind and unscientif anti intellectu and childish and condemn complex occam razor scientif explan thing straightforeward and appar simpler essenti and you that even scientist don fulli comprehend scienc due complex and divers william occam perform lobotomi frontal lobe and thrown thi confus you will straighten tough bill
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write you disprov thing you fail nail post claim that believ possibl god exist god not exist don attack strong atheism sinc guess you below that make weak atheist snip you reason gui not honest and includ sentenc that honest end that swear hmmmm recogn warn sign altern polit and rude come into newsgroup huge chip shoulder call peopl name and make nice whirrr click whirrr clam bake timmon bill shit stirrer connor whirr click whirr frank dwyer contain that shell pop stack determin whirr click whirr killfil keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer mind reel bobbi mozumd maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	death penalti polit athei articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write rusnew manti mathew write noam chomski read thi wrong talk outright govern control media aka censorship doesn quick stop shop refer work that short argu for manufactur consent film media you altern movi sourc thi book your local altern theatr contact film transit intern sale jan rofekamp notr dame montreal quebec canada tel fax telex filmtransmtl reader call zeitgeist film shamim moham uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu thi cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member leagu for program freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	request articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain subject request date apr gmt articl qllg mailer fsu edu mayn fsu edu write excess stuff delet that local church elder get revel god devast quak schedul level area independ corrobor friend appar had similar revel quak fact respons request lot seek sign god verac vision thi terribl interest for amount stir creat area peopl take claim make plan target date local religi radio station devot hour discuss topic even call live broadcast host that full account convers provid famili and surviv devast and ruin that will invari follow quak bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea similar incid year ago climatologist ithink that profess name iben brown predict that earthquak hit madrid fault dec school missouri that fault line cancel school for dai peopl evacu madrid and town teh wouldn supris journalist area resid teh earthquak never occur us live southern illinoi and lican middl school built directli fault line had school laugh poor idiot believ predict bob you want excus convert christian you gonna tammi trim heali
alt.atheism	studi book mormon articl snx enkidu mic agrino enkidu mic andr grino brandt write agrino enkidu mic andr grino brandt subject studi book mormon date sun apr cst don mormon and want independ studi book mormon don bui offici stori gold origin heaven haven read book mormon work learn biblic hebrew will comment result studi style vocabulari place name intern consist and for exampl evid for writer multipl writer mention event place histor person discov archeologist collen andr grino brandt casilla santiago agrino enkidu mic chile hai ma realidad que realidad razon profeta don book mormon supposedli translat biblic hebrew read that prophet joseph smith traslat gold tablet sort egyptian ish languag mormon post tammi trim heali
alt.atheism	societ basi for moral articl prv new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb wrote expect follow notion societ mandat moral pardon extrem couldn murder your brother and that exercis right felt good didn want forc moral don follow your moral good statement appli empir measur defin exact social moral moral base social rule ancient religi doctrin will never common and singl denomin for defin moral and such defin absolut and object moral doom fail long human thi incred talent creativ think cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote fred problem such reason that for believ measur tool state that person real muslim christian person not such tool and religion misus power and make bad show sore point religion word show movement that can spin khomeini stalin davidian hussein don such system exist reason for that condit free will human free will can li and half truth system and abus for end don such tool exist addit such thing object inform togeth religion and doctrin freeli misus purpos thi remind descart whisper deamon you can trust bother cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl pxq darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote for your question moral free agenc christian posit freedom acknowledg god moral practic direct outgrowth excercis that freedom you free ignor god you free ignor graviti and consequ inevit and case that atheist can accept evid mean that prefer not accept noth evid agre had hard feel not believ grand grand mother told elv danc barn earli morn prefer not accept even statement provid truth life hard cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl mvo blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde wrote articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write read thi group benefit know deviant view articul not true view khomeini basic principl islam point view atheist you claim khomeini wasn practic true islam that you member group suppos you two true muslim fred rice answer thi earli post problem your argument that you not real believ and fake thi person and god your assumpt that claim believ believ not necessarili true word that defin true and fals muslim back squar khomeini and hussein innoc and can defin evil good islam worshipp cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote problem your argument that you not real believ and fake thi person and god your assumpt that claim believ believ not necessarili true that leav door total open for khomeini hussein rest consid true muslim and you can judg thi god and person you appli your rule atheist agnost you don belief thi and god hoopla khomeini not real muslim and hoopla atheist not real human be cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	suggest for resourc faq date mon apr gmt bruce stephen bruce liverpool good book summar and compar religion good confess don that check faq had alert reader list book suffer christian base agre that traffic thi natur islam refer good overview nice book present fairli unbias account religion call man religion john noss textbook class had compar religion such thing decent bibliographi each chapter jump point for read doesn compar religion directli describ each individu and note similar noth read even remot describ preachi christian base fact christian mercifulli consum page book divid major region world biggi began india east asia east noth world religion aztec maya inca etc stuff peopl kill each nowadai and older religion snuf you stuff coupl book call ancient east jame pritchard pretti cool epic gilgamesh code hammurabi stuff back men god and god men essenti read for wish make religion and make sound real good
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost date apr gmt bake timmon timmbak mcl ucsb edu atheist time hand apolog didn bother read faq and fire imprecis flame that inexcus nicknam bake flamethrow timmon you weren koresh compound noon todai chanc you rememb koresh dri for your sin and pass that beef jerki umm umm
alt.atheism	object valu scientif accuraci year can that christian moral articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti wrote lpzsml unicorn nott steve lang write valu can refer mean for exampl comput scienc true and fals not lisp true you defin statement that defin polar and state consid polar mean nil fals true cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	mari fault dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write nice attempt chri verrri close you miss conspiraci step joseph knew knock couldn that mari prego that wouldn for popular local circl happen that feel guilti feel embarrass and decid improv imag downfal for clever come gain respect for coupl joseph and mari receiv prais paid jesu lucki for that babi didn obviou deform mari get pregnant wedlock save face and joseph that god that pregnant and babi turn deform even wors stillborn lot explain dave buckminst fuller that keeper nicknam nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu life not ceas funni peopl die ceas peopl laugh
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author judg qur not mutton head argument wade todai lot book written thi subject book can speak eloqu hope bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule defin word shatim and fasad you us john david munch jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu heart can chang full hate love peopl allow base live heart can happen danger situat opinion bobbi mozumd describ problem atheism
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write author refer author world islam commun point simpli that islam law appli muslim wherev despit fact that islam law not enforc islam countri muslim resid decid islam commun rule legal consequ isl not decis rule legal consequ islam law and not law thi obviou enforc judgment distinct make judgment for exampl judgment world court thi internation recogn tribun judgment physic econom effect import despit fact that judgment cannot enforc person excommun similar decid mete violent law such fatwa break law and person such liabl prosecut you read thi thread thi post ignor countri law prefer religi law not indigen countri question absurd and arrog notion sort anarch anarch explicitli islam you for your reason respons besid point make thi thread gregg
alt.atheism	jewish settler demolish mosqu gaza iwxm new chalmer bertil dtek chalmer bertil jonel write articl kutluk ccl umist kutluk ccl umist kutluk ozguven write atheist not mention quran quran point view and minut reason can that such thing peopl that atheist aren atheist quran word din mean individu think behav commun order and protocol base set belief thi interpret weaker term religion atheist not mention quran jew mushriqin christian etc din din you set belief assumpt etc forma social code for exampl marxist such histori conflict etc that not put idol sometim repres assupt not mean mushriq roughli polytheist cannot social atheism commun that commun common idea standard belief coordin societi inscrib assumpt nation progress natur consequ human activ parlamentarian democraci doubtlessli govern individu insist not god quran point view definit atheism not exist atheist societi fact mean reject din our atheism can exist peopl reject idol god dogma supposit societi that part and that case that person deviat belief and quran tell such deviat and disbelief mention quran point thing atheism macro level minut kutluk
alt.atheism	nostalgia recent rise nostalgia thi group combin incred level utter bullshit prompt comb archiv and pull alt atheism for your read pleasur post coupl dai group concensu demand that stop run good materi haven care past save attribut come john johnson correct wrong thi longest entir collect that propheci fulfil christian religion and judg claim import claim fulfil earlier jewish propheci scribe matthew perhap eager draw think prophet answer career jesu nazareth you will matthew main strategi testament passag not even promis messiah and appli circumst testament bear mind question authent account sinc gospel written year jesu execut not happen exactli state for purpos analysi will claim face immanuel begin begin mari will bear son and you joseph will name jesu mean salvat for will save peopl sin thi happen fulfil lord had spoken prophet isaiah dai ahaz bce king judah rezin syria and pekah israel made war jerusalem capitol judah not quit conquer hous david ahaz and court judah told thi heart and heart peopl shook and lord isaiah meet ahaz and lord spoke ahaz prophet isaiah natur sign your lord can deep sheol high heaven ahaz won will not put lord test isaiah hear hous david not for you weari men that you weari god lord will give you sign behold young woman child and will bear son and name immanuel mean will eat curd and honei refus evil and choos good for child refus evil and choos good land two king you dread will desert matthew home sentenc that ital hebrew word almah young woman specif virgin thi not propheci messiah not propheci event happen year not propheci virgin bethulah mother short not jesu matthew made us vers context and make fit specif case mari note that want read propheci gener manner gener can made fit mari mari virgin not young woman child fit shadi and problem jesu thought christian walk men never call name immanuel christian wish claim thi propheci for jesu becom cut and past propheci second class propheci not convinc egypt jesu birth bethlehem matthew tell quick and unment excurs egypt wish liken jesu mose thi escap alleg infanticid rampag king herod and remain death herod thi fulfil lord had spoken egypt cal led son lord thi hosea israel child love and egypt call son call peopl sacrif al and burn incens idol matthew conveni omit rest hosea oracl israel that onc call egypt want return thi histori jesu not spoken and draw kind parallel wind jesu that flee and resist thi propheci not convinc matthew had hope rachel weep jesu vacat egypt matthew that king herod sought kill and order execut young male children matthew write thi that spoken prophet jeremiah fulfil voic heard ramah wail and loud lament rachel weep for children refus consol refer passag jeremiah refer carri israel into exil sargon assyria bce rachel ancestor major tribe israel ephraim and manasseh weep for descend metaphor sinc rachel live and di hebrew even egyptian exil interest note that leah not rachel ancestor judean land jesu and bethlehem weep for children leah connexion that rachel bethlehem that legend that buri north citi ephrath bethlehem for herod and infanticid that such event occur never event not mention allud anywher bibl mention secular record time herod unlik reign and evil deed herod carefulli record thi prime exampl event ad jesu life enhanc messag church gospel stori similar tale infant mose egypt highli like that devic set matthew add prophet artifici approv jesu not surpris that matthew conveni neglect mention rest jeremiah quot children prophet speak not dead exil assyrian empir comfort weep rachel that children will return will gather back togeth thi not suit matthew purpos children speak dead for good propheci matthew set not even that and bother check not convinc nazaren not even chapter find anoth matthean propheci leav egypt joseph wife infant jesu live citi nazareth that spoken prophet fulfil call nazaren thing notic that matthew not mention name prophet thi time second messian propheci speak nazaren wors propheci period mention nazaren wors nazaren mention testament book judg angel tell samson mother that will judg conceiv and bear son razor tough head for will nazirit god dai birth will deliv israel hand philistin thi not propheci jesu messiah that can found matthew begun overboard cut and past propheci that simpl make bear diseas jesu heal peopl physic ill and disabl thi fulfil spoken prophet isaiah infirm and bore diseas expect vers quot isaiah quot context and word skew fit christian scheme sure suffer servant born sick and carri pain read surround passag isaiah that prophet speak present tens collect nation israel jehovah chosen servant and peopl speak israelit suffer exil voic gentil nation that thi imag deepli ingrain jewish ident imag chastis cherish israel instrument nation salvat vers speak israel take sick liter and metaphor manifest guilt and disciplin not speak servant and heal peopl notic that servant isaiah take sick and pain nation and individu jew jesu not diseas vers isaiah not propheci come that had happen believ that jesu etern punish hell not bear ill heal want that figur jesu reenact deed israel spiritu aton admit that matthew parallel miss intend effect silent messiah heal multitud common that jesu order quiet presum that wouldn arous attent local ruler thi fulfil spoken prophet isaiah behold servant chosen belov soul pleas will put spirit and will announc justic gentil will not wrangl cry aloud will hear voic street will not break bruis reed quench smolder wick bring justic victori and gentil will hope name isaiah passag quot read behold servant uphold chosen soul delight put spirit and will bring justic nation will not cry lift voic make heard street will not break bruis reed quench smolder wick will faithfulli bring justic will not fail burn dimli discourag bruis establish justic earth and coastland await law you matthew conveni left part passag not suit deal jesu christian never jesu fail never light mankind burn dimli servant nation israel will come end job gentil come embrac will longer chosen peopl will children end phrase chang judaic coastland await law christolog gentil will hope name origin proclaim torah law jehovah rewrit fit strang doctrin believ name doubt servant refer not jesu read chapter isaiah and hear belov blind and imperfect servant peopl rob and plunder that matthew attempt propheci examin crumbl dai and night come propheci supposedli utter mouth god jesu speak crucifixion and resurrect for jonah belli whale for dai and night will son man heart earth dai and night discuss can occur jew understood dai dai name each hour long last sunset sunset refer dai period light end sunset time scale sabbath dai began fridai even and last saturdai even thi jew celebr sabbath daylight portion saturdai sundai real miracl that christian didn forget that saturdai seventh and last dai week dai and night refer togeth hour daylight portion and hour night period spoken jesu that will grave hell unresurrect for dai and night good book tell jesu crucifi ninth hour fridai afternoon put into grave that jesu left grave rose dawn call sundai dawn sabbath thi mean that jesu time for clariti grave fridai night time sundai morn add time fridai sinc bibl not specif thi mean jewish time that grave for dai two night and possibl coupl hour dai thi problem for jesu predict absolut even death involv dai and night even modern time measur led suspect that thi error anoth matthew mistak and that gospel writer put fals word into god mouth and matter made predict unconvinc counter convinc hear understand jesu tool habit speak vast audienc parabl stori deeper mean found you elect chosen understand messag jesu reason that can understand parabl peopl cannot understand bother sinc will not accept plain messag matthew audienc fulfil propheci isaiah you will hear never understand and you will never perceiv thi peopl heart grown dull ear heavi hear and shut ey not perceiv ear and understand heart and turn for heal origin isaiah passag part earlier work call ministri thi bce israel flourish fall author assyria isaiah see good time end and vision call bring reform israel and judah and and thi peopl hear and hear not understand and not perceiv make heart thi peopl fat make ear heavi and shut ey will not ey hear ear and understand heart and turn and heal isaiah long lord and citi lie wast inhabit and hous men and land utterli desol and men and forsaken place land and tenth will remain will burn terebinth oak stump stand tree fell holi seed stump that peopl israel stop listen prophet warn reaffirm promis made solomon and david seed lineag you read rest isaiah you find that thi fulfil plan us israel servant light nation isaiah that matthew cut and past portion isaiah vers suit gospel that alter word make fit peopl didn understand jesu stori and isaiah vers not propheci command present onc matthew propheci fall flat face matthew make jesu parabl prophet approv noth parabl thi fulfil spoken prophet will open mouth parabl will utter that hidden sinc foundat world matthew botch attempt quot not prophet psalm will open mouth parabl will utter dark sai thing that heard and thing that father told will not hide children come gener gloriou deed lord point vers psalm not come prophet you want that earlier copi matthew gospel even insert isaiah name thi prophet appar scribe caught error and cover perhap signific part thi that onc matthew alter testament scriptur jesu earlier speak parabl that will not understand parabl psalm not hidden speak thing that father told jesu deal thing hidden sinc foundat world jesu dealt lot secreci and confus thi direct opposit parabl psalm matthew had rewrit and onc matthew artifici propheci fall flat face christian rare thi matthew propheci aren thing christian that begin bad excus faith that discipl cast demon case not know epilepsi peopl thought diseas posses demon that discipl unabl dispossess epilept jesu perhap enlighten report rebuk didn faith thi strang thi demon special that true believ faith not appar faith will move mountain you will find dai that can move real mountain part sea miracl charismat can speak rumour happen trip mexico farawai place major miracl make woman arthriti feel sundai morn and god includ jesu shroud ancient lore and write protect skeptic sacr past dead sleep hide heaven peopl rumour immin return and great miracl dai long life tale mystic stori miracl distant time distant place god us reveal men dai jehovah silent theologian give excus don god anymor lazi not zealou sin plan put demand appear had faith will meet term even piou men not you dear reader not not liter you that true that presumptu and bold search your heart you mean that religion make peopl feel good and content not faith not merit sometim love peopl you worship live peopl chang that peopl lull sleep satisfi turn into everydai sight that not speak not peopl us world that good compass human heart love and men and women forgiv practis christian atheist alik beauti creat mind man thing that thi faith jesu ride ass shortli accept role jewish messiah king jesu request donkei brought for ride into jerusalem thi place fulfil spoken prophet daughter zion behold your king come you humbl mount ass and ass colt passag quot zechariah read differ your king come you triumphant and victori humbl and ride ass ass colt will command peac nation isn that differ that zechariah involv anim ass colt matthew read poetic word slightli differ jesu call for colt and adult ass matthew version comic pictur divin christ sweat straddl two donkei thi inevit lead theolog proctolog dilemma find that account written earlier mark colt call for and brought jesu thi fit vers zechariah properli and show that matthew attempt us prophet vers bungl exclud respect christian met notic that christ thought ridden ass situat revers nowadai enter jerusalem templ priest anger peopl and youngster call jesu messiah jesu repli expect matthew haven you read mouth babe and suckl thou brought perfect prais like that matthew made thi respons sinc jesu never point such prophet thing and sinc expect quot error fit matthew track record quit jesu matthew haven you read for sourc read psalm yahweh lord majest your name world you glori chant heaven babe and infant you found bulwark your foe enemi and aveng passag comment perfect prais spoken psalm and prais not messiah king and not jesu mention case matthew pen make conveni prophet scriptur yhvh lord jesu ask promis jewish messiah king descend jew agre king david jesu counter quot psalm lord lord sit hand put your enemi your feet face jesu deni necess david descent assum opposit answer christian answer that agre make hidden point reveal mysteri divin natur messiah king tempt thi christian and not interest matter investig problem jesu time psalm thought messiah and easi david refer messiah superior scriptur messiah that expect great king bring jew time even david rule jew listen had good answer and passag refer divin messiah such christian worship problem li mean thi psalm error that appar jew jesu time had made rememb that faction jew result expect messiah king jesu appar adventist audienc thought messiah advent immin and interpret psalm messian problem psalm liter read yhvh utter lord sit hand make your enemi your footstool yhvh send your mighti scepter zion rule midst your foe your peopl will offer freeli dai you lead your host holi mountain you priest order melchizedek forev word lord mistakenli capitalis christian bibl denot divin thi lord hebrew word adoni and capitalis exist adoni simpli mean lord gener term us us scriptur refer king and address respect noth text impli that word refer divin messiah king that thi suppos written david not titl psalm translat psalm david psalm david fit assum written court poet david coven and endors psalm had written david that talk messiah idea perfect king descend david not present david ag extens tale david do and sai includ prais messiah psalm show evid written long david dead time exil had put show favour for david kingdom hold descript psalm fit david david promis rise power victori enemi success judgement nation conquer achiev priesthood common melchizedek righteou king enabl bless peopl fit not blame thi problem matthew alon not artifici propheci allud us scriptur question thi event common gospel matthew easili thi time interest note matthew dress event earlier gospel mark tell tale jesu simpli speak crowd matthew pharise religi competit infant christian target jesu question expect matthew write that event end embarrass pharise such power pen mose jesu had togeth leav gospel stori matthew momentarili pseudo propheci john gospel gospel stori john deserv special treatment remov real event jesu career told even matthew for moment will vers earli church leader found religion jewish hope messiah king and artifici extens origin promis made construct histori abraham mose wrote promis land and nationhood jewish peopl thi accomplish eventu rule king david christian decid that claim fulfil promis expand promis preach heavenli kingdom john speak your father abraham rejoic dai and glad nice tie approv for jesu abraham abraham knew noth jesu messiah christian and fail find event testament correspond john propheci par for john make testament back forerunn matthew christian that faith foundat such fraud and surpris cling potter field told that jesu betrai jerusalem follow juda iscariot matthew write and throw piec silver templ juda depart chief priest take silver isn law for put treasuri sinc blood monei bought potter field buri stranger fulfil spoken prophet jeremiah and thirti piec silver price price had set son israel and gave for potter field lord direct thi propheci utterli gross bastardis testament scriptur matthew made mistak name prophet zechariah utter vers matthew make us zech and weigh wage thirti shekel silver yhvh cast treasuri lordli price paid thirti shekel silver and cast into treasuri hous yhvh vers zechariah not deal betray messiah deal shepherd like priest chosen serv function presid peopl shortli send judah and israel into conflict anoth word treasuri had replac king jame scholar potter precis thi made matthew quot fit thi blatant error correct translat hebrew treasuri make perfect sens zechariah context potter field total unrel whether mistransl intent not specul matthew track record find hard resist notion intent dishonesti matthew ampl reason for alter text thirti piec silver match juda situat and christian reader will disregard contextu incongru matthew anoth propheci toss correct translat zechariah directli contradict situat juda and high priest high priest not put monei treasuri worthless shepherd zechariah exactli opposit averag thursdai night bibl student propheci present matthew testament face matthew work convinc wine vinegar cast lot jesu led crucifi gave vinegar drink mingl gall tast not drink and had crucifi divid garment cast lot that fulfil spoken prophet part garment and vestur cast lot vinegar offer jesu common sour wine type that roman soldier drank regularli find that jesu di soldier give drink not pollut gall jesu thirst bowl vinegar stood put spong full vinegar hyssop and held mouth had receiv vinegar finish matthew draw not passag prophet psalm look for piti and for comfort found gave poison for food lit put gall meat and for thirst gave vinegar drink add punish punish acquitt thee blot book live sour wine offer jesu request drink thi show piti psalm quot david and polit and militari enemi not messiah jesu not surpris that run into problem that jesu psalm ask for damnat crucifi jesu gospel jesu father forgiv don matthew miss attempt creat propheci gall bitter substanc put into jesu drink not meat psalm stipul propheci vinegar faulti natur cast lot thi bring psalm deserv discuss suffic that fact that jesu cloth divid told great thing turn that thi happen felon dai will perhap erron passag psalm appli jesu bring interest question qualiti jesu cloth for man remov worldli possess ownership cloth worthi cast lot rais suspicion psalm thi psalm attribut david lament condit attack enemi becom song prais yhvh and hope context part fit plight jesu crucifixion quit will examin primari passag vers god god you forsaken you help word groan god cry dai you don answer and night find rest jesu cri sentenc cross thi suggest that psalm jesu king david rest stanza not fit nice jesu execut jesu not pictur complain ordeal suppos lamb led mute shearer jesu doesn groan even cross not cry dai and night cross worm and man scorn men mock make face and wag head commit yhvh deliv for delight thi fit jesu execut pretti except holi messiah call worm bull encompass open mouth wide raven and roar lion yea dog round compani evildo encir cle pierc hand and feet can bone divid garment and cast lost for raiment you yhvh not deliv soul sword life power dog save mouth lion and afflict soul horn wild bull quit convinc and earli christian father wrote thi propheci thought thi propheci fatal flaw word pierc not exist psalm correct hebrew translat yea dog round compani evildo encircl lion hand and feet hebrew phrase lion and rare verb form can mean pierc differ phonet charact word hebrew text liter lion ari make sens context and even fit anim imageri emploi psalm writer conveni that urg christian chang word aru add need artifici weight propheci thi christian translat chosen correct translat not elimin psalm refer jesu absenc not for honesti translat apart erron vers psalm not lend jesu easili vers speak suffer save sword cross thi natur fit psalm true subject king david side note that crucifixion not pierc hand palm forearm thi doesn favour tradit thought resurrect jesu show discipl scar palm fact aren bound religi belief matthew escap culpabl thi time not attempt draw direct link thi psalm and lord jesu psalm mind gospel writer compil stori and interpret jesu life and death scriptur contribut written question that repercuss for christian theologi easi for not faith fundamentalist event testament enhanc scribe such eager matthew specul simpli investig scriptur matter and prophet claim thi not good thing for matthew refer pierc lot jesu crucifixion john gospel recount written year fact tell jesu execut soldier pierc side spear and blood and water thing place that scriptur fulfil will pierc thi built passag blatantli context prophet zechariah tell nation israel will split jerusalem and judah and war and yhvh will give victori judah and that dai will seek destroi nation that come jerusalem judah and will pour spirit compass and supplic jerusalem that pierc will mourn and weep bitterli you weep firstborn child john attempt make propheci perhap weaker that matthew attempt matthew excontext passag john error grossli obviou and blatant not speak for gospel writer help show prophet aspect religion found reckon transgressor arrest jesu quickli execut for claim jewish kingship messiahship version gospel tale jesu get execut two thiev and crucifi two robber left and scriptur fulfil reckon transgressor mark link jesu passag isaiah servant nation israel passag not messiah for read chapter isaiah and surround chapter see that servant nation vers thi servant past not predict come event servant thought crimin thi happen fit descript jesu had passag messiah not clear execut jesu two thiev fulfil propheci isaiah jesu fittingli fulfil ministri consid blasphem and troublemak career lock singl event poor steal propheci thi case that mark had made analog gener comparison mark crucifi jesu revil thi expect coupl robber recount luke decid chang thing luke tell and crimin hang rail aren you messiah save and thi fit mark recount tell peopl crucifi jesu save and that robber luke crimin rebuk don you fear sinc you sentenc condemn and justli for receiv due reward for deed thi man noth wrong and jesu rememb you come your kingdom and jesu answer verili you todai you will paradis thi dialogu highli contriv stretch imagin bit thi pictur ruffian rebuk fellow crimin such eloqu speech strang pictur crimin lament good punish and just suffer such man appar nobl and principl doesn like robber amount theatric creat luke luke recount disagre mark luke crimin revil jesu not easi discount discrep account made part error free word not thi avenu open thi anoth exampl writer testament passag and expand and reinterpret suit theologi thi case embroideri creat embarrass problem end world come perhap extraordinari and embarrass passag testament found synopt gospel stori and cast unfavour doubt theori christian jesu mention destruct jewish templ and build and discipl thi and end world warn discipl will thi templ destruct and will sign your come and close ag jesu care that lead you astrai for will come name christ you will hear war and rumour war for thi place end not for nation will rise nation thi begin birthpang will deliv you put you death and fals prophet will aris and lead astrai endur end will save thi gospel will preach world testimoni nation and end will come you desol spoken prophet daniel judea flee mountain immedi tribul dai sun will darken star will fall heaven will sign son man heaven and tribe earth will mourn and son man come and will send angel and gather elect learn lesson fig tree branch becom tender and put leav you that summer you thing you will that gate you thi gener will not pass thing place dai and hour not angel not son father you readi for son man come hour you not expect thi clear that jesu thought world lifetim discipl tell that doesn exact dai hour that will come and readi theologian wet pant panic find thi holi error jesu made explicit told discipl that gener end and that prepar for prepar swept resort remov inerr natur bibl and that phrase thi gener not pass mean thi race peopl will not pass word for gener us time refer exactli that gener discipl interest notion that god decid learn greek didn learn make clear quit obviou rest dialogu that discipl suppos live end world charg mistransl complet blown apostl respons becom abundantli clear rev peter john and rev that jesu meant exactli end for year christian rationalis thi chapter matthew mean altogeth for year wait for execut leader come back hear war and rumour war that come sure wait can you imagin tire sit holi wait for moment spring shortli crucifixion jesu nazareth joshua ben joseph di that dai dai and night period time etern second can decid make for troubl resurrect glow divin radianc saviour decid wasn interest religion stick and disappear sight into heaven stori thing attribut jesu peopl write gospel stori jesu fulfil propheci and scriptur that thi matter quit shaki church histori christian held fast faith simpl belief doctrin object not solv argument brute forc faith and forget question question and investig never easiest treat matter for year propheci cite testament larg accept thing continu that for time paus moment doctrin christian accept and us properli improperli support war and persecut suppos propheci christian can secur hold jesu don that come bring peac earth haven come bring peac sword
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian assum you post encourag comment histori toni campello read not arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen good hear that reason christian christian scientist note australia strong movement bunch christian scientist that singl event bibl exactli true and that ration explan for that can justifi law physic for exampl chap prove that ag univers year and that error convent calcul result fact that speed light rapidli decai year and thi not account for book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh that never exist and bibl stori and never intend becom manifesto for billion peopl toni follow that reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal million peopl di for lie thi point difficult substanti sinc not defin great religi argument work that aztec warrior sacrif god belief that thi act bring victori spanish invad list endless aztec lost btw call fool heal peopl that perfectli reason not ground for becom christian point not add weight claim that jesu real thing niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi you documentari rise nazi germani point toni mention thi call werner heisenberg and colleagu fool illog men support hitler base presum emot issu ration agreement principl argument invalid toni thought that hitler sane sinc wasn liar lunat real thing hmmm don argument warrant us thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us thi alot religi discuss had peopl result quot bibl reason peopl can bibl treat stori sort metaphor represent messag that author present interpret part bibl liter will end sort shit toni argument perfectli reason for peopl event describ bibl place convinc think bibl total fiction that jesu real quot book total pointless for exampl mathemat you cannot equal equal don peopl understand christian that possibl explain peopl kill religi war and hundr version claim correct not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv you post thi part alt religion you flame never understood emot sentiment stranger interest peopl famou that two evil life polititian and church rule fear live fear dead press find exact quotat cheer charl
alt.atheism	bibl quiz articl apr ccsua ctstateu edu kellyb ccsua ctstateu edu wrote articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write sun start orbit earth will accept bibl sinc atheism mean trash religion god inbreed you son that witti sig file sum great deal atheist thought imo simpl sentenc atheism isn religion steve mullin vo stratu man empti purs into opinion stratu opinion head can benjamin franklin
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write strongli suggest that you book call bibl quran and scienc mauric baucail french surgeon not comprehens research imagin your librari can for you interlibrari loan hold time read short baucail began investig bibl pre ceiv scientif inaccuraci and inconsist assum that problem caus poor translat dai read find hebrew greek arama found that problem didn wors decid religion had problem pick holi qur french and found similar prob lem not appli logoic had bibl learn read arab problem had found french version arab unabl find wealth scientif statement holi qur find made sens modern understand investig tradit hadith had scienc fill scienc problem contemporari narr time had pour standard primit world view conclus that impress that holi qur had scienc accur impress that holi qur not rampant error evidenc tradit man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author short writer writer quran decid stai scienc you not open your mouth you don put you foot into your mouth you quran not talk scienc can not make claim bobbi that you great scienc quran basic want that religi text suppos scientif treatis request theist stop make such wild claim vinayak vinayak dutt mail vdp mayo edu standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	bibl contradict list bibl contadict you dispit free christian vers bibl
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl jt new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak you base ignor couldn that wrong wrong fall into trap that you mention wrong god free time correct mistak that continu not supposedli proclaim undi love for etern soul speak volum for trap you not posit that don god not you can motiv you that earnestli search for god for year and never found bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	silli question tianiti articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker write pww spacsun rice edu peter walker subject silli question tianiti date mon apr gmt articl qaqi inngj gap caltech edu werdna cco caltech edu andrew tong wrote
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict umar khan khan itd itd nrl navi mil wrote strongli suggest that you book call bibl quran and scienc mauric baucail french surgeon not comprehens unabl find wealth scientif statement holi qur find made sens modern understand investig tradit hadith had scienc fill scienc problem contemporari narr time had pour standard primit world view conclus that impress that holi qur had scienc accur impress that holi qur not rampant error evidenc tradit man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author thi book worth read sensibl view thi issu book two section section contain fairli reason analysi bibl show inconsist bibl and modern scienc that surpris section analys koran version testament stori and face present good case show koran consist modern scienc plain that thi consist vagu phraseolog koran flood for exampl bibl full detail forti dai and forti night pair anim etc thi nonsens koran descript event obscur make interpret such big river flood for dai and caus damag contradict not fact koran consist modern scienc consist due vagu compar book that time not achiev book conclud koran had divin inspir time written lot ridicul idea univers and can found koran argu for great book talk not absurd extrem memori miss point leonard mail newnham bradford
alt.atheism	bibl and abort jame lippard lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu wrote exodu and men struggl each and strike woman child that miscarriag injuri sure fine woman husband demand and pai judg decid injuri you appoint penalti life for life ey for ey tooth for tooth hand for hand foot for foot burn for burn wound for wound bruis for bruis straightforward interpret vers that men fight strike woman and miscarri penalti fine woman injur di lex talioni doctrin ey for ey appli thi jewish interpret and support jewish commentari vers thi quit embarrass for pro lifer christian altern explan altern interpret word miscarriag mean prematur birth child born aliv and injuri mean injuri woman fetu thi not straightforward interpret not support jewish commentari and not appear support part bibl histor refer abort thi time ancient jew refer understand abort ask not make point veil question understand medic procedur abort not surpris bibl make refer make refer nuclear power and contamin your interpret reason reason reject hand king jimmi translat mischief thi not necessarili impli woman wife expect and spontan abort feel that life not simpli process halt
alt.atheism	you will hell you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote khomeini advoc view that seri twelv islam leader twelv imam free error sin thi make heret wow you quicker point heresi church middl ag even sheik azhar don claim that shi it heret accus and fabric shi it come saudi arabia wahabi for that matter you read origin work sunni imam imam madhab teacher two imam jafar sadiq sixth imam shi it plenti fals propaganda float shi it esp sinc revolut good work shi it present view and teach school make assumpt and alleg peopl thi group islam gener shi it
alt.atheism	note bobbi articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write peopl not relig citi peopl that care for religion lot crime lot murder thi end lack religion that wrong happen live tokyo for year and half and reason intend back indefinit freedom enjoi can walk anywher and mean anywher time dai night and not feel uneasi even ethnic minor clue for bobbi bother tokyo citi and tokyo citi neglig level violent crime and street murder will lead item nation new iii popul almost univers atheist time for stroll beirut night you compar bobbi mozumd cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri
alt.atheism	islam clearer view articl bafc dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write dbstu benedikt rosenau subject islam clearer view date tue apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write gener accept that rise inquisit reason tortur introduc roman countri end middl ag word holi mother church lead infal holi ghost spread roman cathol church claim lead infal pope that church wick thing xtian and believ alik rational that pope speak cathedra infal base claim dogma pope jesuit origin and not accept mid last centuri benedikt you for enlighten tammi
alt.atheism	cannanit genocid bibl excus for ignor rememb read onc that biblic tribe philistin exist modern dai palestinian info post tammi
alt.atheism	get point reader ask you post list sda church fundament belief warn you long list post sundai sabbath come won read saturdai and don time greatli you touch hope you reast and relax weekend hope tammi
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote precis reject god and leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not reject god that rushdi made atheism clear front suffici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit gregg you that rushdi left alon and normal life word islam support notion forgiv cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote state parallel thread not anarchist islam anarchist control thi not chang fact that for citizen resid violat islam law thi interest notion and scare case finnish citizen live usa and conform law finnish govern not activ check thi countri word check conform finnish law islam law curs that you world shade cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist articl qlf ginn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider wrote type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess heheh you thi object moral someher tell you that thi not case and you don rule such transcendent game system cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and kent articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali wrote time ezekiel written israel apostaci and not mistaken tyre make war israel princ tyre human ruler tyre wick man call satan king tyre ezekiel that satan real ruler tyre tammi thi explicitli state bibl you assum that you that ezekiel indirectli mention anoth metaphor for instanc ezekiel mad landlord talk wrote princ tyre interpret mundan ezekiel wrote princ tyre wrote princ tyre cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	sci skeptic religion alt atheism articl psuvm psu edu john johnson psuvm psu edu write standard group sci soc talk conform stricter rule establish and show volum post will ceas exist group reach site usenet alt group post opinion mathew suggest that alt atheism verg garbag post fundi and elev statu standard group and volum such post make unread tend agre start and watch grow root talk religion misc for atheist come forward past trash xian and such stabl core and frankli feel that thi group mainstream lot place and fuck fundi looni freshman will dump find jeesu and warn that hell want real alt fan brother jed and imagin that imbecil tirad will time post selfish find learn lot and isn bad brown and boobi distract that even bring leaven need offset greatli fear that mainstream basic put swamp level conner world regard dew dewei heniz sy net admin risc hardwar pager
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi thi part gregg not understand post give support bounti rushdi life that correct end point gregg concept legal western don accept comment islam law make great deal sens and even make sens person member group religion bind follow wai group bound group requir minimum big bone content that pick that west secular govern that maintain level control and requir requir option group major read thi thread tune note didn agreement idea that you final respons secular govern and that group group person chosen that mind not secular law legal peopl defin term hold person group onc decid separ secular author agre that requir sort contractu etc secular enforc allow group group member past group member religion can and and requir addit duti group member and can enforc fulfil duti wai ostrac common for exampl limit come enforc impos unwant and unaccept onu person conflict secular law thi differ theocraci requir secular author definit congruent religi author theocraci thi not necessarili true religi requir coincid not similiarli religi consequ not coincid secular consequ regard dew dewei heniz sy net admin risc hardwar pager
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write delet fatwa level person rushdi action rushdi that feed situat contribut legitim rule book remain circul not independ will will author and publish fatwa person rushdi encompass action crime crime progress level and plai and plai full view media not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule thi ground firmli islam you claim you expos islam ground for terror plain and simpl whether you not whether rushdi act total jerk not accept civil basi for put fear life for word simpli not matter whether underli motiv find worst insult muslim and belief that you not threaten life for word you you quit simpli admit backruptci your posit you support threaten life for word you not civil thi exactli and peopl depart respect religion belief and encourag interpret kill physic opposit you privledg that whether rushdi bush hussien whover pale civil societi and you can condemn soul refus member your associ interact peacabl demonstr convinc disassoci miscreant short physic forc onc you physic threaten support physic threat you closer your earlier comparison rape you rapist whine ask for dress blame victim you unabl civil doesn fly dew dewei heniz sy net admin risc hardwar pager
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alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write rush leland stanford edu voelkerd write articl apr seachg chrisb seachg chri blask write add thi outrag cost put death special cell block year court cost extra guard and benefit death penalti disappear that your earlier claim that innoc death overrid benefit tragic argument for death penalti war and worri accident kill civilian time determin enemi imperfect win war fortun think folk your good power and deem accept slaughter ten even hundr thousand iraqi order liber oil hkuwait won war hurrah hurrah number civilian iraqi death exagger and exploit for anti war emotion liber new media fact that iraqi di gulf war civilian war compar size thi centuri thi due short durat coupl precis surgic bomb techniqu technic recent idea that hundr thousand iraqi citizen di ludicr not even hundr thousand iraqi soldier di and target you that and alli specif kill and maim iraqi civilian smart bomb didn hit target and target civilian target condus destroi iraq militari potenti militari mission planner not fool hit militari target win war hit civilian target noth unit peopl you not laudabl goal peopl rise tyrant dictat innoc peopl di unarm civilian flee that road didn bomb bit perhap that kid half face burn and girl mangl leg weren guilti worth death innoc save oil hlive kuwaiti peopl isn iraqi not had chanc vote for saddam show accept regim not assassin that surrend and flee open road deviou ploi right bomb case find soldier innoc peopl di blanket bomb don hear you bemoan war never exact scienc smart bomb exact smaller percentag civilian casualti sometim mistak made target misidentifi innoc die that war altern tyrann dictat treat earth big rummag sale grab can wors patrick henri year ago not for give liberti give death war price will pai wish stai free death penalti conceiv deterr crime legal shenanigan that ad automat appeal lengthi court battl etc releg that purpos small part question instat death penalti meant and that deter crime rid reinstat death penalti that shit fair trial and court appeal get justic give polic absolut gun guilti and save ourselv expens lawyer knock benefit never had spend monei clean riot and hold showcas trial cop had allow job properli quick bullet head rodnei king and anoth for cameraman and save great deal unnecessari paperwork and expens polic decid man guilti that fact that death penalti shown not deterr effect imprison that irrelev mathew mathew your sarcasm note you complet base you come sound complet peac nik idiot feel that not your intent iraqi war wrong that appeas work war guess shouldn fought innoc german civilian kill dresden and hamburg poor french di crossfir invad contin hitler europ and you speak german english tyrant hussein stop kind don understand diplomaci understand point gun regret that bush wimp and didn militari roll into baghdad hussein power and iraqi peopl sacrific not mention american di for naught liber kuwait good thing wipe hussein map and for poor poor rodnei king you stop and juri trial brought back verdict not guilti foam mouth for blood policemen look video tape juri look evid evid you and not make judgment benefit trial evid can present side simpli lower level vigilant justic state mind your sarcasm seemingli spoke support case policemen law thi countri intend protect right accus whether crimin cop not found guilti reason doubt guilt and juri posit assess evid and render verdict simpli succumb verbal vigilant regard jim
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl apr andrew nrp andrew norman paterson write don you germani daughter born and don german right vote live right citizen british citizen virtu parentag that not full citizenship for exampl don children british virtu fairli that obtain citizenship make applic for requir immigr germani almost that onc appli for citizenship inevit thi case nope germani extrem restrict citizenship law ethnic german live russia for year automat becom citizen move germani turk gener germani can not good exampl show citizenship descent karl lastli come china hope you touch and you fulfil lifelong ambit your life will drop acid great wall duke pink floyd lie lie even billion peopl
alt.atheism	you will hell fri apr edt jsn psuvm psu edu you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat hmm mst lunch box travel scrabbl and coupl keg bass al set mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write assum that you religi law for follow religion that beg question religion defin follow even offend disagre religi law appli categor belong religion event judg appli thi prevent situat member religion charg claim that not member religion free noth had happen gregg
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write brutal system filter lenienc not lenient huh you rate public flog flog chop hand head bodi part stone don problem flog offend chanc chang behavior flog problem maim gener mean opinion not maim anoth maim case rape victim maim physic and emotion wouldn problem maim rapist wouldn problem maim murder you had opinion you muslim you don that rape and murder dealt lightli you interest lenienc for lenienc sake appar that peopl simpli told bad thing and simpl chanc misjudg misjudg avoid suspect that pretti that requir repeat offens that misjudg like orient not place singl charact your ignor expos nice read carefulli not orient show primit machism not us specif word orient your mind contain suffici inform detail not and europ show civil bullshit thi bullshit time put shut you substanti noth and blabber islamist talk west great satan you guilti stupid love compar such line common plea your fellow believ not call each name thi case substanti quran that beat wife into submiss care give chapter and vers discuss primit machism refer that misspelt that fault not orient follow qur you that you haven put islam express extramarit sex extramarit sex subset sex suppressedin islam that marial sexi allow encourag islam branch christian miss point read part urg for sex religion that run tell peopl sex not piec cake for two reason suppress strong urg strong measur and not busi you thought you make argument read opinion argument that you doubt valid premis not chang you want critic time for you put shut thi argument for you don religion that suppress sex such irrelev argument you gener object statement fine respons you reason for your statement that sex not busi religion your argument urg for sex adolesc not strong that overli strong measur requir suppress urg sex strong adult that adult can make commensur effort find marriag partner gregg
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr princeton edu qpliu phoenix princeton edu liu write faith gift obedi make faith make obei believ wonder that obedi idea obedi written wholli babbl user guid invis pink unicorn grant faith invis pink unicorn you read babbl and obei written obei written babbl you that grant faith invis pink unicorn that obei written babbl lead believ invis pink unicorn you essenti invis pink unicorn thi bit circular reason beg question make obei believ qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinion delta correl
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write twelv imam consid incap error sin khomeini support thi view twelv iman thi heresi for reason gave happi discuss issu imam you prefer move discuss anoth newsgroup feel philosophi religion group read thi group benefit know deviant view articul not true view khomeini basic principl islam that muslim reader thi group will simpl basic islam such view face and not contradict basic islam subtl such issu and sect exist islam explicitli proscrib qur topic deepli embed world view islam and esoter teach prophet heresi not enter into for islam exoter religion that nomin concern metaphys substanc man and natur opinion human substanc metaphys fundament that human heret notion and proscrib islam your post you fairli vers sunni thought you seek shi it thought knowledg shi it author that respect due charg heresi level absolut interest discuss thi privat and interest hear make concept error free and sinless human be philosoph consist teach qur prima faci such attemptsa highli suscept degener into monkeri explicitli proscrib qur salaam laikum alaikum wassalam gregg
alt.atheism	koresh god date fri apr mathew mathew manti latest new that koresh will give onc finish write sequel bibl mathew write seal line written page and hand assist for proofread expect decent messiah built spellcheck koresh will come
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict date fri apr gmt umar khan khan itd itd nrl navi mil conclus that impress that holi qur had scienc accur impress that holi qur not rampant error evidenc tradit man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author folk soc religion islam loosen bit and discuss thi topic bank interest topic book subject mention addit you mention hard find stab curios film thi subject pretti weak and two quot us show scienc koran post pretti vagu suspect that book will extrapol aw lot quot poster islam channel misgiv practic koran decid good scienc islam come equival christian creation scienc topic interest find histori scientif interpret koran us koran support earlier scienc sinc discard easi scienc exist todai and interpret passag match find peopl similar thing sai nostradamu time uniqu claim islam and worth check
alt.atheism	keith relativist level unisa edu desert brat write keith you start wafffl for human maul thrown into cage speak you start post tome decent evid retract your absolut moral blurb week ago claim that absolut moral object keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write perhap chimp that fail evolv cooper behaviour di and left that evolv such behaviour chanc that entir point you proclaim natur moral time organ evolv cooper behaviour natur moral moral that develop natur natur moral bee danc huh keith
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess heheh you thi object moral someher tell you that thi not case and you don rule such transcendent game system object system you talk goal brand moral you talk keith
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write articl apr zeu calpoli edu jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu john munch wrote articl apr bnr rashid write not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule defin word shatim and fasad you us apolog shatim refer slander spread slander and li prophet prophet basic prophet dealt busi hawk stolen merchandis sell swampland hous lot florida you hear stori sexual abus prophet and famili victim paid quiet kind will caulmni and curs that word thi explan can come top head and technic definit time never mind that you thi chevel bought thi dude you guess prophet name moham car for two dai tranni kick manni mechan tell load sawdust guess whether moham anywher found don fasad difficult describ thi not technic definit and that liter moham word fasad mean mischief mischief order magnitud word corrupt wrong begin seek escal hurt yeah you moham disord concern harm etc mischief initi caus action wrong specif relat attack god and messeng and mischief corrupt disord etc you slimi mass pond scum result that attack not physic attack and level penalti proscrib depend extent mischief and whether person person sought make hai situat severest punish death yeah you watch your butt you and your buddi allah stereo sold croak two dai your ass grass jim yeah that jim
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli intent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici question found father cruel and unusu punish hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psychological imagin hang quick and imagin painless fire squad note not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found father and hang and fire squad allow todai and thing not consid cruel sure medic execut painless not keith
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write spent quit bit time word constitut realis that thi wide held belief america fact claus cruel and unusu punish lot rest lift english bill right word not mean didn spend time word look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici sinc dictionari that lack merci intent inflict injuri grief count cruel peopl can describ cruel thi punish cannot keith
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write religi law appli categor belong religion event judg appli thi categor cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl qnpa inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psychological imagin hang quick and imagin painless thi misnom fire squad note not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found father and hang and fire squad allow todai and thing not consid cruel sure medic execut painless not thi show that pain execut not consid cruel and unusu punish thi show that cruel us constitut not refer whether not punish physic pain mean cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	nonexist atheist articl kutluk ccl umist kutluk ccl umist kutluk ozguven write atheist not mention quran quran point view and minut reason can that such thing guess that scientist aren mention stock broker televis repairmen preciou deep brainwash childhood that take progress religion clean substanti part reason neuron don mind don exist jim halat
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write delet you don that rape and murder dealt lightli you interest lenienc for lenienc sake appar that peopl simpli told bad thing straw man and you brought lenienc and simpl chanc misjudg misjudg avoid suspect that pretti that requir repeat offens that misjudg like assum that misjudg not correl delet love compar such line common plea your fellow believ not call each name thi case substanti quran that beat wife into submiss care give chapter and vers discuss discuss chapter and vers cite assum that you weren exact you not quran and your consequ shown primit machism refer that misspelt that fault not orient follow qur you that not claim that suffici for argument lot male domin societi that qualifi machist you that situat women sufficeint area orient delet thi argument for you don religion that suppress sex such irrelev argument you gener object statement fine respons you reason for your statement that sex not busi religion your argument urg for sex adolesc not strong that overli strong measur requir suppress urg sex strong adult that adult can make commensur effort find marriag partner you appar troubl read thing you don point sex wish strong desir marriag red her homosexu for you simpli ignor that doesn fit into world you and for situat adolesc your combin lenienc and maim mind whe you that not overli strong measur suppress urg for sex adolesc benedikt
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu write delet nope germani extrem restrict citizenship law ethnic german live russia for year automat becom citizen move germani turk gener germani can that wrong can benedikt
alt.atheism	satan jon livesei write read paper that qumram text had version text misunderstand read newspap learn thi kind stuff not idea world newspap report notori ignor subject religion and prone exagger interest real stori that bigger headlin back thi point masoret text targum translat commentari arama etc and septuagint ancient greek translat masoret text standard jewish text and essenti not vari place obviou corrupt copi faithfulli copi copi passag past interpret refer targum and septuagint septuagint differ masoret text two particular includ addit text and second passag variant read masoret text addit fix predat corrupt passag emphas that knowledg variat signifc bibl scholar and theolog import dead sea scroll materi add thi ancient copi almost isaiah and fragment size almost book abund materi sign hebrew antecd apocrypha extra text septuagint analysi proceed variat dss text and masoret version tend reflect septuagint isn error differ not signific theolog thi big expect that great theolog surpris lurk materi thi hasn happen dss import almost textual tradit unlik for wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write rai netcom rai fischer write frank frank dwyer write question for you subjectivist relativist nihilist het idea that relativ objectiv degre that relativ accur decript truth objectiv power and abil control event you lose talk truth onc you valu rel accuraci judgement happen agre substanc you below clear that valu object truth falsehood peac war educ ignor thing agre that gener held good thing question whether come close object valu that time anoth each view undesir doubt you even come that univers good bad and refer truth term hypothet realiz full that not even such thing assum for moment that moral rel two relativist can recogn that lock absolut truth and can proce negoti workabl compromis that produc desir result cannot acknowledg front that desir result not exist that mean compromis problem relativist valu common compromis imposs happen happen relativist never compromis plant bomb crowd shop area moral rel valu cannot meaningfulli incorrect true cannot person moral thing notabl lack extremist sens person account justif for social unaccept behaviour invari higher author aka absolut moral truth assum that absolut moral two disagre objectivist can wrong room for compromis onc you beleiv absolut moral you accept that you amor that disagre you amor untru can accept that not truth part object truth moral that flexibl rigid compromis believ you lock moral etc can object realiti claim mechan for quantum collaps shot jfk object truth that cannot object truth interest notion can moral belief that compromis good compromis absolut truth not peopl successfulli suppos hold compromis absolut moral happen insist compromis you compromis compromis choic peac compromis endless content that compromis and agre bloodi pointless speak matter tast your like for peac found like for ic cream for that question and relativ isn almost invari rel thing anoth moral consequ peopl aspect justifi desir action belief justifi commit peac argu that let peopl live long healthi and peac live that true incomplet ignor benefit war kill agress member societi trim popul stimul product equat complex present character rel moral conscienc desir unduli simplifi rai fischer convict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch
alt.atheism	islam bank slaveri articl monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write apr bmw mayo edu vdp mayo edu vinayak dutt write call interest deposit you call return invest and call loan you call invest busi that word float stock your compani interest return invest for thing return invest greater risk and not set return amount monei you make can you even lose monei differ risk loss share investor practic risk borrow borrow borrow bank stock you call investor stock banker your choic relabel not make interest free not relabel explain relabel not interest free investor take monei dividend invest ofcours investor islam bank your call bank take risk usual bank get thing back return you heard junk bond vinayak vinayak dutt mail vdp mayo edu standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	don stink subject articl avinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write you claim you prove cold fusion provid exampl show that trend gener and you provid counterexampl surround mate practic etc don that case disprov gener trend natur moral and mate practic reexamin you that your mind made and you explain differ statist insignific find immor mate relat activ you exclud mate relat activ your natur moral mate practic special case you explain inconsist your theori special case that natur system can object deduc goal speci propog mind not equat two you that object system isn necessarili natur you you not man wrote natur moral system object moral system that anim follow natur system object object system not natur term can not equat natur system subset object you equat read your word sinc homosexu observ anim includ bird and dolphin you claim that anim capac immor don claim that homosexu immor isn harm isn help mate process and you that homosexu observ anim kingdom don you mean bisexu studi releas found that femal seagul lesbian that goal not inher that postul not determin argu that aris natur goal somewhat remov postul assum posit that goal aren inher can creat theori postul that sun revolv earth that moon made green chees and star portion angel that intrud into dimension realiti you such contradict observ appli thi last sentenc your your theori notic your contridict observ can build mathemat proof postul that length side triangl length second side triangl and degre angl connect can determin length side postul that gener found true don your postul valid you don math you abil us sa determin length side triangl fundement geometri guess peopl recept order assum your system you show that your postul work and goal surviv and happi work you don not good goal goal postul goal thi object natur moral system you propos surviv speci homosexu immor kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral qkq horu mchp sni frank write attempt defin object moral wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain long you that almost freedom will valuabl thing peopl that you real big lot peopl agre freedom subject valuabl that good and quit nice start point for moral system not univers and not object that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai isn sahara disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl qinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write schneider natur moral specif thought code ethic that speci develop order surviv wait talk ethic moral distinct import thi countless time anim kingdom and such natur system basi for system huh moral system mimic natur number wai describ number wai detail explain contradict that aris order for human thrive live group your problem wrong highlight word don wrong for human surviv for long time wild difficult human social anim and that success defin difficult and order for group function effect sort ethic code thi statement not correct isn don you explain law america state that you drive hand side road and point that speci conduct serv propog not give you your tautolog show that such exampl moral system goal propog speci goal natur system moral live monagam relationship not moral order ensur propog speci man impregn women note earlier lack mate such abstin homosexu isn destruct system worst neutral member speci homosexu thi wouldn destruct surviv speci for that matter herd hors domin stallion mate di kill domin stallion mate case your natur system moral shoot figur foot mate practic reexamin theori reexamin kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl qjd nlv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write firstli scienc basi valu not round you explain object atom and subject valu atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject rest delet you liber art major weren tcha guess you never that photo smallest logo world ibm made nobl ga atom krypton xenon forget specif atom tree electron independ observ and verifi moral aren differ tep men love brown tend warm and deep sensit and desir partner sex hour dai thing snuggl fire walk rain catch snowflak tongu real turn lover brown becka
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist jbrown batman bmd trw write apr batman bmd trw respond dave offici nicknam fuller death penalti deterr dave person execut will never commit crime guarante that mean that effect anti recidiv measur not that deter individu commit capit crime place true question whether threat death like stop murder commit treason capit crime anywher usa that death penalti introduct deter crimin commit crime doubt thi step even strong deterr short complet deterr reject for case innoc execut and even elimin thi possibl reject death penalti immor thi make radic issu oppon captial punish agre find innoc execut strongest argument make magic charg facilit state aid suicid for crimin life sentenc thi replac for capit punish don want live rest live jail thi option scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu write societi good reason for rape and murder consist posit and hold that wrong basi moral not societ norm current legal basi surpris surpris bibl and inher moral abhorr exactli inher abhorr and you effect thing repuls and bunch peopl agre deem absolut immor and forev period and nice extent agre you not agre that thing inher absolut immor label immor each for good reason and reason can even theoret chang can label that vagu and top head defend that human similarli made that fall into trap creation doesn human extent similar belong speci that that speci evolv anoth stori altogeth extent evolut can even lend credenc moral absolut flavour argument that exhibit trust good love respect courag and honesti societi deceipt hatr disrespect coward and dishonesti you moral societi aliv and kick point societi not alik and moral haven and thesi don sinc hold that creat similarli similar ident that make unfalsifi thesi and work can and punt fellow theist falsifi find someo creat that real world disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl qla afp fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and grow childish propagandist gregg point that practic thing aren quit wonder utopia you folk claim upset you you such thing bbci exampl islam own and oper bank will bet weren real islam owner and oper islam bank bank oper rule islam regard bank thi explicitli bank thi not case bcci and naiv depositor put life save into bcci nasti interest motiv western bank street thi crap bcci motiv motiv intern bank perhap emphasi deal outlaw and intellig servic govern don con into think that will work time back childish propaganda you life wast bandwith such empti type thousand islam bank oper world hear you want talk corrupt bank can talk peopl rob american bank gregg
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl qlb oinn shellei washington edu jimh carson washington edu jame hogan write come sens and accept know wisdom and power quran and allah not that allah drop congratul wise choic allah roll bone and allah get crisco bend and invit spin block wow realiz that allah for commit readi for man program gotta call you think renounc islam loyalti jim you read russel hoban hemingwai imit imit bad aspect write hoban doubt gregg
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write qlapk morrow stanford edu salem pangea stanford edu bruce salem write articl jrde new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write theori creation theistic view theori creation state genesi begin god creat heaven and earth wonder alittl imagin think huh imagin think that world exist forev and never creat and endless suppli energi and spontan gener life life that make wise and know and imagin theori warren kurt vonroeschlaub iastat edu iowa state univers math depart carver hall am
alt.atheism	you will hell jsn psuvm psu edu jsn psuvm psu edu write care fellow wrote mean psuvm possibl import dispers smilei longer offend disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write not allow leav domain author free leav islam regard islam law curs leav islam death cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write you exager point libel gave unpopular reason deliber you that iraq absorb kuwait make tire poland comparison you heard principl apli never plai chamberlain and roll anoth countri invad that invit invas perhap not support genocidist provid weapon system tactic support technolog etc made suddam hussein bush call alli and freind cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	you will hell articl tan psuvm psu edu andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write articl jsn psuvm psu edu jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat reader group conveni that doesn real name start letter sysadmin real name jeremi scott noonan vmoper psuvm psu edu author email postmast psuvm bitnet rfowl wveriti sy admin node idea oper benedikt
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write delet central aspect islam show merci and give wrong even presum rushdi violat islam law and commit crime thi basi for post lenienc not penetr benedikt skull you demand harsh punish crime repeat offend slip justif harsh punish typic religi doublespeak whenev you contradictori statement you choos possibl that suit your current argument disgust that idea that make theodor kkkaldi feel cozi can protect religion gregg you kill idolat benedikt
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write and god almighti creat night and dai and sun and earth celeti bodi swim each round holi quran hmm thi agre ptolem system earth centr planet orbit round copernicu and gallileo wrong you haven read carefulli you you will that doesn circl not move circl evid that round gener sens wishi washi statement not scientif benedikt
alt.atheism	wholli babbl free moral agenc articl psilink robert knowl psilink write delet book subgeniu and that collect write ftp site benedikt
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comp.graphics	rumour articl apr rchland ibm ricardo hernandez muchado ricardo rchland vnet ibm write and cpu doesn understand supposedli variat run mhz thi speed you sprite wow interest hand fact that motorola not releas supposedli lineup ricardo anim playback lawrenc refer earlier post plain quicktim compact video codec digit video appl earli commerci precis run centri fp nice bit color depth expect that algorithm risc processor approach full screen full motion anim you impli processor will tax highli dynam materi sean mcmain check gopher phone univers north texa band info server fax box seanmac ac unt edu mail denton mcmain unt edu
comp.graphics	xga info info xga chipset func truecolor resolut board xga rainer rainer leberl rleberl sparc cstp umkc edu univers kansa citi mail clinton whitehous gov subject
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comp.graphics	vga mode routin made vga mode graphic librari ftp origin wrote routin kind exercis for perhap will find useabl miss higher level function intend intro mode program start point librari assum processor trivial modifi for peopl make mod and post version routin written assembl tasm and callabl fairli simpl found fast for purpos routin includ enter and exit mode defin virtual screen put and pixel put pixmap rectangular imag transpar spot put sprite imag area copi area virtual screen into video memori etc includ simpl routin draw line routin load color gif imag into buffer wrote quick dirti demo program that bounc bunch sprite window packag spang camosun pub do vgl zip zip pkzip complet public domain concern you nice credit due and mail tell you you don don bother mark morlei camosun
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	winqvtnet ndi token ring
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	diamond dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write experienc faint shadow resolut thi card window replac card and wait latest driver experienc gener protect fault error wspdpsf drv winword tool option menu and winfax setup had ati ultra get genral protect fault error spss applic card manufactur terribl qualiti control product market bug hassl run gatewai thx dave problem not video monitor monitor ag develop shadow white and bright color peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu prefer pgoudswa cln etc pgoudswa cue gift present goudswaard observ
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bmp format mean exactli window bitmap format mean data store width height colour bitmap data couldn find th user manual refer materi give thi inform andrew
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dll and registerclass createwindow dll regist class and creat window that class type call requir modul instanc handl hinstanc petzold book that us modul instanc handl call program not modul instanc handl dll page two question find modul instanc handl modul problem instanc handl dll advanc mike mike smith mail smith bull bull inform system inc phone concord road fax billerica usa
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	roman bmp respons request for cool bitmap post due resolut and size part thi uuencod bitmap color pictur marbl gazebo desert blue sky background size for center wallpap displai leav border bottom big for icon fit top pictur reguard imag qualiti and resolut not for you haven work piec imag file put back togeth save part individu file us text editor remov header and footer each file concatin part into singl file uudecod file tool thi hassl such uuconvert unix and uucod window neccesari post tool ftp keyword bitmap wallpap
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	stealth video driver recent purchas diamond stealth video card and receiv wrong driver can ftp window video driver for stealth driver cica and don work driver diamond bb file almost meg and download baud inform appreci contact doug sun sw uiuc edu you doug ward
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	netwar win fileman updat that will person novel and window file manag view file name person creat chang novel command ndir tim osburn osburn halcyon tim osburn gbq osburn halcyon bellevu washington
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bbbbig problem print file articl mar jupit sun csd unb dwoo unb write expert file that page long line equat diagram size thi file unlink embed object and unlink embed object print sinc don laser printer send print file back bbbbbbig file that long fail file can boost file will not carri thi file public printer find network card cabl etc enlighten solut print page time won fit into floppi mil denni woo depart mechan engin mail dwoo unb univers brunswick tel onc had thi problem copi doc file problem hope thi help hua
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	tidi remov ol server articl liverpool liverpool chri wooff write ago instal spss for window part evalu onc evalu complet duli delet softwar ghost spss left run write and emb object spss chart appear list object offer look obviou ini file success thing for string spss chart file window directori turn file call req dat reg dat file binari and didn feel inclin edit solut for remov spss list ol server chri wooff wooff liverpool you can edit that file util that come window call regedit registr info editor bob hodg fish you worm yeah
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	win file system articl apr spider keith spider keith smith write will do can read havn write case break win ntf file system thought ntf suppos fat system keith do cannot read ntf file system ntf file system can read fat file system do windowsnt seper partit machin home and can read do disk window not vice versa robust file system fast and singl problem that doesn prove fat system read book insid window will give you info you for scott scott reimert reimert mamacass etdesg trw standard disclaim redondo beach blah blah blah store beer cool dark place
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	viewson experi sought nec you can email post you posit neg experi thi monitor compar nanao summar multipl respons bought viewson for us home week back felt for monei nec that us work monitor nec sharper flatter distort and stabl heard complaint peopl nec seri qualiti control problem mine us for year problem noth broken viewson not match us ati graphic ultra setup mode push frequenc limit and viewson exhibit problem that nec not person etch nec ocli filter and tube not nice had uncorrect pincus and edg distort problem chang bright switch mode and constantli fiddl control and yoke crook and had compens for raster that tilt downhil postiv side not handsom nec had smaller footprint and not heavi heard that panason own viewson and model sold oem channel panason label that lower cost for nec vote search for cheaper nec fge good older brother decid bui experi nanao can never nanao model straight and don place can walk good comparison model standard employ disclaim appli keith johnson tektronix gpi info servic wilsonvil usa internet keith johnson tek voic fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	rfd comp window misc setup thi offici request for discuss rfd for creation two newsgroup for microsoft window thi second rfd replac origin post januari and never vote propos group describ below name comp window setup statu unmoder purpos discuss set and instal window and system and peripher compat issu for window name comp window misc statu unmoder purpos miscellan program discuss window includ issu such secur network featur consol mode and window win compat rational microsoft newest member microsoft window famili oper system oper environ for argu mean famili rang modular window window and window for workgroup window high end date microsoft ship beta copi and pre releas sdk window actual releas slate for june window design intern share applic program interfac member window famili win api includ win api us win dow and win api subset win thread network and secur can us creat bit applic for window user interfac practic ident that window addit login and featur program manag file manag and applet and gener pre sent ident appear user announc window applic port exist window app and run exist applic appear logic that window share group member window famili comp window app comp window programm tool comp window programm misc comp window programm win group applic window window comp window announc comp window advocaci conclus clear argument for separ window and window hierarchi intern structur window and window and oper system such macintosh xenix and coher undergon major rewrit split into separ newsgroup hierarchi window due for major rewrit fulli bit protect mode and do built gener window chicago debut year sure remain hierarchi and ju tific for separ window window version discuss period discuss period will run april vote cfv call for vote will issu base feedback receiv discuss period vote will accept prior cfv tom haapanen tomh metric softwar metric inc waterloo ont stick your index finger into corner your mouth pull that corrado make you feel car januari
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dde frustrat can you start work project dde transfer data applic excel macro can transfer data port setup for dde macro suggest good refer download window dynam exchang dde applic note book worth get specif server applic dionex chromatographi data system client applic for window for macro dionex not provid document for dde problem develop applic data you connect instrument appreci leon olszewski noth wors itch you can internet leono uiuc edu never scratch leon bladerunn
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	do window macro program that will record keyboard sequenc that window do box that start telnet program and log into account window record doesn record kei sequenc steve
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	adob and adob want creat postcript file win print laserwrit creat postcript file version adob laser accept adob resolv thi problem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want bu card for logitech mous acquir logitech seri button mous and told that thi bu mous want unload clone bu card for thi mous email repli bobmon indiana edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	flame therapi great idea group creat comp sy ibm flame therapi agre
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	warn copi board copi zwc acsu buffalo edu kcbp ubvmsd buffalo edu mitch write back master word perfect for window window and norton can send anoth copi perman colleg address for safe keep student borrow master and worri screw don you realiz that inevit anal retent moron come and wag finger and jowl outrag that person polit import smcap bold font god law smcap bold font that irrelev problem window system disk hate disk copi high densiti xcopi work fine fact for chang configur and whatnot that decid put hard disk not can you copi disk per directori you want you can simpli copi into directori make lot nicer you switch printer emul norton don experi friend system crash restor backup origin and work fine thi impli that arj norton creat workabl backup and you full instal time you thing never plai for window not big fan utah good luck disclaim don copi that floppi respect your elder for wage sin sic death and hefti legal bill you offend rob rob kudla acm rpi edu keyword oldfield jane leather win phish light blue bondag dtp steeli dan fnm owl genesi spaceship silver spaceship lion take control
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	keyboard articl hxg nxl rpi edu wen yingyang ral rpi edu john wen write wen yingyang ral rpi edu john wen subject keyboard summari locat cap lock and ctrl kei keyboard keyword cap lock and ctrl kei date mon apr gmt softwar that can exchang cap lock and ctrl kei style keyboard for memori resid program that can work program featur specif program awar sharewar program back and that thi featur that program program archiv keymap zip simtel and mirror site msdo keyboard directori will thi written assembl and you compil creat keyboard map us binari editor edit provid compil keyboard driver you not compil us hex zip simtel simpli serach for code locat bigin normal keyboard map swap code for kei that you swap keyboard directori simtel for program that report scancod for each kei you bio program thi info good luck pete peter mckinnei long lanc colost edu electrohydrodynam laboratori fluid mechan and wind engin program civil engin depart colorado state univers
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	identifi video hardwar devic isa board subsystem will two rgb video signal and combin templat templat can simpl rectangular window signal us for interior and signal two for exterior beleiv fancier harwar exist not want exclud search thi sort hardwar exist for ntsc etc for rgb email and post lead gordon lang glang smail srl ford glang holo srl ford
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	long monitor last inch vga interlac year brand monitor bit bullet press power switch and second power light pop gawd two and half year long normal monitor last problem monitor power switch imag get pretti dim need contrast max and screen flicker time time thi normal heheh worst luck question bui fix save for good and cheap ega monitor for save monei upgrad engin extens effort appli fresh approach problem mean hire gui kick for robert bobbi yung lehigh edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	attn ken smith model number interlac btw you number contact compani that help for repli begin that never repli post thi netnew bboard messag you return and didn second messag you calvin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	share your optim tip articl pinnp geraldo utexa edu jbodnar ccwf utexa edu john bodnar write unl edu edgar pearlstein anoth comput arriv statement config sy file stack chang stack and save byte lower even haven exactli microsoft set stack singl comput instal window simpl eisa motherboard ndi volant tiga adapt intel ethernet express card and cach scsi control dpt and dtc not problem and extra gain mean lot convent memori gobbl program orcad and tango pcb john bodnar like develop window univers texa austin applic never inhal internet jbodnar ccwf utexa edu utexa ccwf jbodnar borland ceo philipp kahn rememb read qemm manual that stack need for window setup program us stack rich
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai and ati problem wonder had problem gatewai bu system ati graphic ultra pro comput resolut fine whenev us window autocad gif screen get inch shorter top and bottom screen bar black screen isn cut squeez into smaller space and mess aspect ratio can manual chang size back thi pain ass and shouldn happen call gatewai numer time and haven two time card and time card didn work comput even bill for card didn back coupl dai told phone that wait week bill card custom support stori had thi problem you hell you don solut not thi problem advanc jude greer jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu into mach instal program and manual set ting card doesn work whenev increas vertic size screen start cut top and bottom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	and simm articl edu nshah ac edu write gatewai local bu system slot for simm that us simm question receiv simm and pin slot motherboard pin wrong simm can us simm not pin slot flill never encount such long slot for simm suggest can hold gatewai post net nshah ac edu you bought wrong simm you pin simm becuas send receiv data byte bit bit pariti for each byte chunk you will undoubtedli simm wide us futur jason jason walter jpw lehigh edu jpw eec lehigh edu modem mouth
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	intel pentium and linux inabu ibm clausthal arnd burghardt write folk yesterdai visit cebit hannov germani intel present pentium processor had word machin thi beast run present nice unli run pictur show thi presentor promis binari compat and don show disk linux system emerg disk patch lilo boot disk and convic boot thi gut glori decid glori won touch holi cow and not even boot suspect thought thi coward dai and back earth learn thi technolog industri standart you can expect thi beast your local comput shop spring year cent your mine run chip trade show and had real technic knowledg wouldn stranger diskett boot demo machin demo machin long peopl will not nice demo and thi purpost linux diskett that will wipe disk load viru deep troubl market mind you thi had specif invit peopl and provid machin can learn thi technolog will ship vendor and will compat golden gryphon gryphon openag crown jewel american prison system presid bill clinton live white hous openag premier sco unix integr washington area
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	warranti extens credit compani appli phurchas comput huayong yang yang titan uc umass edu wrote not credit card compani offer doubl warranti year you make purchas credit card you addit warranti year appli purchas comput us catch advanc post result big comput purchas kei point abil us american express card read fine print doubl warranti polici amex and citibank visa will you doubl warranti comput citibank maximum claim you imagin your monitor mother board fix for amex limit claim rememb you us amex you send copi warranti info dai purchas you call pre regist and send paperwork dai purchas pre regist pak arriv todai citibank visa requir pre registr ken
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth happi gatewai owner sinc kind complaint gatewai thought post recent pleasant experi machin thi past fridai thi two week dai call order unbox found perfect order peripher order properli instal jumbo rom impress quantiti and qualiti gatewai document softwar origin disk and manual gatewai manual nice ring binder ati gup build driver softwar microsoft offic properli instal machin box and perform flawlessli weekend and even reach room temperatur big roomi tower case lot and run do problem read peopl problem high speed serial commun us do interlink program let link comput serial port baud map machin two hard disk disk you can drive and run program copi file almost peer peer lan you can run program machin not two street machin server and thi machin client that differ peer peer stuff for bundl do util impress jumbo minut back data pass potenti gatewai monitor problem take credit and appli nec love thi monitor glad good new gatewai stori and glad work john john gayman wbu uunet wbu john packet wbu eah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	winmark can can winmark benchmark run ftp roger bix ruzun net uzun crash ct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai and ati problem articl jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu jude greer write wonder had problem gatewai bu system ati graphic ultra pro comput resolut fine whenev us window autocad gif screen get inch shorter top and bottom screen bar black screen isn cut squeez into smaller space and mess aspect ratio can manual chang size back thi pain ass and shouldn happen call gatewai numer time and haven two time card and time card didn work comput even bill for card didn back coupl dai told phone that wait week bill card custom support stori had thi problem you hell you don solut not thi problem advanc jude greer jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu into mach instal program and manual set ting card doesn work whenev increas vertic size screen start cut top and bottom monitor problem you mention that you swap card not monitor perhap that dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvm utexa edu dcoleman ccwf utexa edu univers texa austin decnet utxvm dcoleman electr comput engin bitnet dcoleman utxvm bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	simm for sale pin simm for sale perfect condit will not work system requir pin simm paid for for insur ship addit you pin eisa type simm for sale drop line nimesh shah nshah ac edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	infam gatewai video monitor problem info request greg spath gk psuvm psu edu wrote articl ueom evf odin corp sgi mikei sgi mike yang mailord gatewai save technic support phone free softwar packag fun hold technic support phone local you can walk dealer and wrong and fix phone support quick and compet mail order firm not quick and not compet gatewai includ experi comput retail signific lead conclus that sale personnel and retail technic personnel forbidden learn product sell talk incompet percent answer correct salesmen don even realiz stupid settl catch breath fact retail store never provid term price per product retail outlet desir peopl aren interest learn comput make decis thi fine for exampl educ carpet wall paper lawn mower microwav oven etc come sale personnel assum idiot don care thing care comput demand featur and perform and damn pai high school drop commiss rate price system and process subject distort gener
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	shadow mask andrew colfelt colfelt ucsu colorado edu wrote shadow mask you put your face into main memori your dai job
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	drive control compat respond origin post number for western digit tech support and determin that upgrad bio super bio will handl hard drive read write head and cylind upgrad payabl check monei order send western digit corpor technic support group box irvin super bio for hard drive control card seri bio system handl drive respons request for follow sig warn long keith keith rice univers north texa depart comput scienc denton texa usa drice ponder csci unt edu drice unt edu respons below raval mailbox syr edu sat apr receiv mailbox syr edu ponder sat apr raval mailbox syr edu bob valentin receiv mothra syr edu mailbox syr edu cn sat apr est receiv mothra syr edu spike sat apr est date sat apr est messag mothra syr edu drice ponder statu drice ponder csci unt edu subject drive control compat newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar repli drice ponder organ syracus univers syracus articl drice ponder you write recent bought us seagat hard drive gui told that had fulli test 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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl apr aio jsc nasa gov mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov keith mancu write articl apr kpc pcarmack gimp kpc phil carmack write peopl perform driven weren peopl wouldn bui pentium system place sinc bui that run exist applic faster leagu pentium myth haven heard sourc that trust and don ad for machin comput shopper intel pretti busi pentium can introduc competit ibm displai technolog demo thi effectivli mean neat technolog not commit make such item keith mancu mancu butch jsc nasa gov wvr mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov black powder and alcohol your state and citi fall your back wall lesli fish gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	local dealer servic infam gatewai video monitor problem info request articl gk psuvm psu edu greg spath gk psuvm psu edu write articl ueom evf odin corp sgi mikei sgi mike yang mailord gatewai save technic support phone free softwar packag fun hold technic support phone local you can walk dealer and wrong and fix long fix us part repair can substitut us part your knowledg can charg you for repair that warranti claim due improp mainten your part come local dealer fun get consist good support tech tread salesmen not train technician high turnov rate fun get warranti work quickli and courteous fun get warranti work cheapli even period you paid servic contract servic technician and servic manag computerland franchis and anoth retail comput place talk local servic scam that retail comput dealer push sell that song that car dealer sing for year bui and you good servic treat custom bui competit and you you servic experienc mail order buyer that mail order compani that give excel servic includ overnight replac part site call etc local dealer that can give you good servic you local dealer give consistenli good servic you wrong anectdot prove point net can job can ted drude tbdrude infonod ingr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai uart chip articl spiroc bssw drq netcom spiro netcom philip spiro write georg theall theall gdalsrv sa upenn edu wrote articl dickyjc bmt netcom dickyj netcom dicki johan write that uart chip machin that uart chip byte buffer not sale critter spoke last week gatewai us socket chip you find afn for and upgrad chip minor nuisanc for worth salesman that kbp and solder board will recent pl settl thi inspect phil phil spiro spiro netcom mine soder card you heard you multitask fifo buffer you loos data thi bryan luff math comp sci cal
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	geniu mous driver fellow netland geniu mous model driver for button mous that thees mail driver config sy autoexec bat happi staffan ungsgard internet telesoft norden staffan ungsgard nynashamn telesoft utsiktsvagen phone nynashamn sweden fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	applic error win problem get increas frustrat dai background american megatrend bio clone ram config sy file devic do himem sy do high umb devic window emm ex noem file buffer stack autoexec bat file smartdrv ex cmo set run wait state read and write cach ram problem applic error win start newli instal win and instal excel run excel problem perman swap file size place for window proce instal norton desktop for window version problem instal ndw alter autoexec bat nav run problem bring excel excel run and middl click select mous desktop applic error screen anoth applic error screen messag stack fault drv address xxxx xxxx number drv vga driver provid manufactur gener protect fault ndw ex address segment load failur ndw ex address address flag address xxxx mean absolut idea thi mean comment tsr program autoexec bat emm setup not tell win suppos applic cross memori boundari load run repli you idea suggest will steve chu bell lab holmdel
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	summari inform local bu specif articl apr inesc jma ingrina write stuff delet pci intel bu not complet defin peopl long term solut larger fanout not cheap complex chipset friend own compani that build clone share fact that pci chipset not expens monei hungri clone maker doubt will attempt price board high technolog lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm that percent sign network address statement comment opinion etc reflect author and not misconstru ibm for that matter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl apr kub volkert kub volkert write anonym post choic and wonder faster path extern cach shouldn choic that can made work properli local bu mean cach speed thing your speed will block video that faster will specul that local bu will time fast and expens cheap technic reason chip set cannot support and mhz local bu wait for mezzianin bu that will decoupl main cpu clock and for slot due user buffer thi will us faster cpu standard card buss spec regard name meuldijk address gildelaar teteringen holland mail volkert kub oooo oooo gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tangent comput eisa system dealt tangent system that eisa backplan vesa slot for video scsi contol us made aorta never heard thi brand can comment tangent control david
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	simm speed articl apr new unomaha edu hkok cse kok hon yin write robert desonia robert desonia hal ann arbor wrote plug simm into motherboard simm you shouldn troubl heard machin problem slower recommend memori speed never faster run troubl you want bui and mix expens and your machin will run slowest simm clock speed eventhough you cent thought your machin will run bu jumper cmo set wait state speed ram instal motherboard can sens speed ram instal you call fail sort auto sens thi you can sometim us slower ram machin you set number wait state accomod slow ram case memori will run that slower rate you reduc wait state and chanc that slower ram will act faster ram and you won crash put faster ram won speed thing you machin faster ram mix fast and slow ram will not you you bu slow accomod slow ram jiml mailer address buggi repli jiml strauss ftcollinsco ncr jame lewczyk ncr mpd fort collin jim lewczyk ftcollinsco ncr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape drive problem articl cso uiuc edu husak cso uiuc edu stephen husak write repli mail sinc thi job relat colorado jumbo back system place employ and eaten two tape wind tape spool easi fix tape drive fri simpli clean and comment will appreci stephen husak not you you didn you woke todai depech mode noth music for mass stephen husak husak cso uiuc edu univeris illinoi tape two tape that unwound type batch reason that bought gener tape that thi and found that tape marker not fulli punch and had close marker hole tape set you open tape cartridg and put tape back reel you not open remov two screw bottom tape cartridg and snap plastic shell metal base you pull tape assembl not touch you you for coupl hole tape marker hole tape drive end tape hole space coupl inch apart guess that drive find marker and stop second marker tape hole check mirror tape clean function mirror detect marker hole tape drive shine light mirror and pickup area reflect come hole pickup detect light that allow pass and stop mirror dirti aligh sinc made into case you problem detect end tape tape drive tape and tape good pickup led sensor system fail dirti you open drive door you will sensor assembl left head assembl clean and noth drive servic that led burn sensor warranti you send back cm for repair scott hile while relai nswc navi mil standard disclaim opinion express and not necessarili reflect dod navi accept full respons
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rapid tech squeez card box ibm card and across call rapid technolog squeez card date and mhz crystal and big chip that cube connector ribbon type pin connector board bit board idea phil phil hunt wherev you you howtek inc internet phil howtek decvax harvard howtek phil
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl iisakkil apr hut iisakkil hut mika iisakkila wrote contract ibm not allow sell chip parti chip becom ibm machin thi month world for comput ibm slc don ibm restrict sell chip not anymor clock tripl even coprocessor great board cach make pin compat and you chip upgrad that dream made taka mizutani takaharu mail sa upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem maxtor id drive you respond and mail tip didn pan good hear you earlier post disk control acculog side hard floppi id control jumper default shown normal irq delai irq primari secondari floppi address singl dual speed floppi primari secondari id address precomp iochrdi not driven id drive control iochrdi card didn check brand serial parallel adapt logitech bu mous adapt roland mpu compat midi interfac configur default irq mem address open box and remov card not chang normal irq delai irq disk control didn make differ and iochrdi not driven id drive control iochrdi had effect put back and instal card unplug floppi drive cabl disk control voila boot power second access hard disk plug floppi cabl back control and origin boot behavior return thi addit inform netland word wisdom for and deal larri plug byler
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do board port post thi for friend that run bb not do window interest board that port anoth post sugget digiboard didn info give inform board that mention configur model specif price manufactur rob robert walker walker umn edu comput scienc dept univers minnesota
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa limit marka ssd csd harri mark ashlei write latest magazin pentium isssu editori advantag eis vesa plain isa vesa supposedli user will eventu want ram sinc isa bu bit bu can access even motherboard agre argument writer claim that glitch can occur system that limit that part don understand ram motherboard cpu problem talk ram can explain thi problem isa bu master can address mb system memori bu master not us cpu system dma actual data transfer transfer data directli system ram roger pao gordiu bagdad pride mt rpao rpao mt mivj
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard disk question disassembl and disk drive hard drive and floppi drive question can us drive drive thi hard drive floppi drive can send your advic comment aovai qube ocunix lot dlg pro
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	note ted richard ted isgtec wrote devilbiss col wrote work advertis disappoint speed intel intern modem telebit unix end limit kbit unix link quantit comparison cat file file kbyte uncompress ascii text and second scroll window modem link char sec ident hardwar and procomm cat file take second char sec btw us ncd xview work dai for unix access lan and that fine cat file scroll second lan connect experi cat byte file line scenario xview for do full screen window sec telix do window sec telix do full screen window standard vga sec telix do window window sec win seamless window gave min win window faster gave min win seamless window sec faster had hit space bar ati video card xview for do pretti good and line line scroll desktop pathet full page redraw pretti good xview normal bold font and small font and differ time modem receiv light pretti solidli bottleneck baud modem not screen draw ted richard ted isgtec uunet isgtec ted isg technolog inc airport mississauga ont canada
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ram board isa machin pheonix bio megabyt ram instal simm motherboard bank full and space for simm think run machin and possibl linux window and that ram help simm solut can sell meg for and simm for us apart fact that can afford price entir process sell ram and bui us mean that machin for number dai avoid question ram board that plug into free slot work isa machin sold us for space for anoth board work devic driver need will bio pickup extra ram simm mother board that isa expans slot bit and simm memori bit thi wish think appreci eric ebosco oracl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard drive mess dave david cat wrote vazzag vccnw rpi edu gregori anthoni vazzana write howdi dai norton speeddisk optim seagat problem persist back essenti data and decid reformat hard drive attempt thi clylind head and gave error messag that not find sector can can even access hard driv write inform boot do disk reformat hard drive and get error format hard drive press exit scan hard drive for virus can access and messag dir error int can idea advanc for greg bio level format debug command xxxx xxxx hex address control bio locat thi will not work last resort larg magnet hard disk thi properli you will damag disclaim not respons for your action directli appli larg magnet your hard disk correctli magnet trick will wipe hard disk complet and low level bio format succe david china cat bb cat david sed csc uunet mimsi anagld cat david
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	laserjet upgrad dpi opinion current product upgrad resolut support postscript experi good bad qualiti differ notic plan produc camera readi copi home will higher resolut notic for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa local bu articl apr umontr gregof jsp umontr grego filippo write fellow netter question for you gonna bui mhz vesa local bu speed benefit that great wise spend local bu system control and graphic card for normal us mean won us for server read articl can rememb your name and that even you local bu hard disk control your perform won that greater disk throughtput us fast bu peripher can cope bear mind vlb stand for for video origion intent bu speed bu that larg memori memori transfer faster thi espic transfer data main memori video memori sinc vlb slot card maker make card fit two vlb ethernet card move data into card odd and wait for tickl net free local bu for card time you fast buss and sometim you don you gregof jsp umontr gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth happi gatewai owner articl apr infonod ingr kbputt infonod ingr ken putt write don expens qualiti competitor rinstanc bought system novemb second tier vendor touch price for hardwar softwar combin anoth good thing read midst gatewai horror stori you sell system fast you end piss custom and ecstat and lot satisfi excel return polici don minim thi you bui mail order good thing that you replac part question ask dai two fedex impress system work vast major case rememb that peopl tail curv motiv write love and hate you don hear folk middl rough edg doubt give good per dollar and us almost top qualiti compon
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do articl eastman lrxi ict kodak jame nonnemach write experi netland do that make comment whether not worthwhil upgrad problem hardwar compat bug found thing disk doubler includ do possibl that disk doubl ex file get corrupt your disk unread recov such event file that problem dblspace bin not ex arf ooo ooo bill burg burg qdeck and dog spot problem resolut prevent bb quarterdeck offic system fax qfax tech support support qdeck thi autom request gen info info qdeck fax system call compuserv quarterdeck handset your fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write thi doesn answer origin question multi user and mention made ether card disk data point view scsi advantag come multi task data data and anywher drive can scsi find faster can drive and into comput faster cach system thought scsi good manag data bu multipl devic attach talk singl drive explain scsi inher faster manag data hard drive you make mistak you confus drive interfac data throughput interfac mac ibm info sheet ftp sumex aim stanford edu info mac report mac ibm compar txt expans mac ibm scsi extern devic expans interfac common mac and ibm us devic hard drive printer scanner nubu card expans mac monitor and rom appl develop specif for scsi control ibm exact control specif result ad incompat ibm machin main problem lot extern devic intern termin problem for two devis scsi port scsi chain suppos termin begin and end set problem for mac ibm scsi devic per scsi control bit asynchron av and synchron max transfer base bit scsi requir scsi control chip and can provid fast scsi not wide scsi bit interfac scsi scsi devic per scsi control scsi mode scsi fulli scsi complient and impliment fast scsi sinc control interfac hardwar expends and softwar transfer speed burst bit burst bit and burst bit wide and fast scsi scsi mode limit devic and reduc bit bit fast throughput due differ scsi and wide scsi port ibm interfac limit hard drive design lack develop id integr devic electron common standard and us for medium size drive can hard drive asynchron transfer max lowest set scsi interfac asynchron scsi mode averag put maximum id asynchron mode full scsi mode blow poor id window street and into garbag can problem becom can drive mechanisim put rate and that bottleneck and cost scsi come not interfac and drive mechanisim us scsi put cost scsi interfac fullil prophisi peopl bui scsi expenc for turn convic make that mass produc scsi reduc cost unwar and scsi expenc that effect rule scale item sold each item bare brunt cost manufactur and each item cost scsi drive mechanisim put limit drive id limit put
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	memori slot problem articl qiij bigboot wpi edu ralf wpi wpi edu ralph valentino write final decid upgrad eisa memori meg meg two month part warranti ran anigma motherboard two month late problem two bit sim slot bank boot pattern test failur address and system deconfigur top meg sim good rotat into bank configur pattern test delet fail test pattern that appear pattern sim place thi lead two connector address pin fault and lot luck patchabl ralph ralph valentino ralf chpc org ralf wpi wpi edu hardwar engin worcest polytechn institut center for high perform comput marlborough motherboard jumper enabl disabl memori bank you check that allen mulvei mulvei blurt oswego edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	purchas last time microprocessor lab don lot buzz term hardwar purchas question motherboard ram additon slot for two vesa local bu for video not run unix question that ensur get qualiti stuff import featur monitor want interlac svga not brand can afford nec soni brand acer touch video card run framemak fast video card western digit worth cirru logic ram compani want for local bu video card thi normal hard drive segat western digit conner price liabl performac case power suppli chois desktop and minitow adequ power suppli cool gener problem issu featur for miss that lot semi liter read thi group your greatli appreci jason chen
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa local bu guyd austin ibm gui dawson write vlb ethernet card move data into card odd and wait for tickl net for bit vlb for quickr appl impliment vlb byte quickr interest that interleav card that can divid card time nubu and mca card interfac that kind speed and even nubu ditz burst mode mca call micro channel ibm and bit bu us cpu comput dct and can talk fast two compon involv can handl never incompat isa and eisa plan bu interfac ibm powerpc carl jabido ida can handl vlb speed never mind quickr speed eisa poke nubu mac speed burst mode vlb and quickr slow pci compet interfac that develop
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa eisa articl apr envmsa ea asu edu firman envmsa ea asu edu write articl casei apr grace wharton upenn edu casei grace wharton upenn edu shawn casei write question for that familiar isa and eisa sytem configur switch isa board into eisa board card isa system work problem interupt problem that had isa board continu eisa board understand that eisa board handl irq confict run window problem run network telnet tcp window run system kick window irq confict window assum memori address problem that will happen board switch base memori that you eisa mother board you us eisa card your comput system will slower you isa board isa card bill that nonsens you can us isa card eisa system problem and speed isa system luke
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	origin ibm spec articl apr ucbeh san edu hoffmamc ucbeh san edu write hard drive type control can ad recommend not full height hard drive run into troubl suppli not oomph spool big heavi platter system floppi drive and hard disk watt power suppli disconnect power floppi drive turn you will notic hard drive real difficult time get speed manag boot finish plug your floppi drive will work thi not user friendli you bui watt power suppli that willem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	control question articl apr nwnexu paulf halcyon marlboro man write for access floppi drive level that lower bio port assign control chip spec sheet info floppi and write code that work disk method access read individu byte track stream into control afraid sector handl pure hardwar chanc can thi basic access point direct lot file for archi that call theref zip lot info thing detail descript floppi control command hard drive control command not read entir track includ gap sector header etc set sector size larg willem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad hard drive origin ibm articl dxb panix schuster panix michael schuster write articl lsj ruinnl saltillo utexa edu goolsbei utexa edu keith goolsbei write origin ibm not that never had hard drive question bio add hard drive sell complet packag thi mail suggest add meg meg hard drive mail you bio support for rom bio extens such rom hard disk control hard card for not will trick you proper bio date us norton similar program find you set correct switch set your control can pain sinc don come proper doc for hardwar contain insid
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need recent loan older dec work and option ad addit western digit hard drive machin exist drive western digit and work fine not document for configur master slave relationship for drive setup drive format tandi do eventu upgrad do drive model number circa cyl head drive note add that exact configur for current bio work set cyl head write pre land zone pair jumper pin back that presum for set master slave origin drive machin had suggest back for master and middl jumper for slave boot reiniti puke access drive flicker time second drive error hopefulli problem simpl drive not format not person had actual format and unformat drive not even that and thi great fulli appreci not number for western digit good swood hunt michigan don despair close season opossum porcupin weasel red squirrel skunk starl feral pigeon english sparrow ground squirrel woodchuck trout season open last saturdai thi month
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl bcinnmep golem wcc govt hamilton golem wcc govt michael hamilton write you switch understand can local bu devic mother board not local bu slot and told system vesa local bu standard order provid system local bu slot capabl definitli mother board local bu slot claim support cpu includ and can throw inform light thi issu you will check peripher maker board will work mhz will motherboard toni caton compstat wharton upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	intellig serial bill write bui serial port and modem each can us for thing you can us modem your comput not upgrad modem chang box hear that isdn big europ you beauti isdn modem for pice car somedai bidirect bill davidsen corp center box schenectadi curent unit state standard isdn kbit suppos what kbit kup aka christoph kuperman holist system consult email zork yoyo monash edu giv man fish eat for dai teach fish eat for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	differ pin and pin simm can differ pin and pin simm detail inform origin two type simm prefer magazin review aricl faq for thi group cover simm inform direct inform appreci sincer jen dept univ maryland yjwu eng umd
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sun rom pc articl apr novel pbartok novel peter bartok write great don your effort and talent notic put program net upload anonym ftp site peopl can and put into ftp novel pub incom small programm that can us switch suncd drive into byte block mode for us msdo adaptec apsi ftp ftp novel pub adaptec cdblksize zip juergen keil tool uunet mcsun unido tool
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth gatewai post never thought contribut gatewai thread pro con spleen us vent scenario order ultrastor local bu control receiv system dai order happi discov ultrastor isa control insid unhappi call gatewai receiv correct control dai get happier control doesn work unhappi call gatewai anoth control dai cool end sight thi control doesn work motherboard bad unhappi gatewai solut will order motherboard dai and site servic instal for dai work servic peopl work blown hour thi hold and don time dai work dai return period almost and us thin for minut thing back extrem upset began thi post support rep told that pai ship not for return system two hard drive control had fortun spoke custom servic and up come and pick grati downsid that order anoth comput gatewai turn prospect and custom servic tech support product great for part begin save worth potenti aggrav mail order compani difficult contact gatewai boom and for good reason don can feel mark devanei hear and georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia internet markd gatech edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	adaptec problem recent suffer problem adaptec control problem floppi disk drive doesn work appar two jumper control that affect floppi disk drive locat lower front corner such jumper and possibl locat problem hard disk refus boot two scsi rodim miniscrib messag miss oper system even disk format control and damn oper system boot quantum get do version inform thi due incombat memori driver jumper that affect caus such error advanc jouni jouni marttila kyl turku finland jmarttila abo jmarttila finabo abovax jmarttila jjmartti utu pgp kei finger jmarttila abo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape backup question folk archiv intern qic tape drive pretti compar colorado jumbo sinc two floppi drive system small card not acceler made archiv attach tape drive floppi devic problem do base qicstream softwar work fine norton and central point backup program for window fail switch machin turbo speed eisa sinc do softwar work can hardwar problem can similar problem solut advanc jerri shekhel molecular simul inc time fade page drummer burlington usa book memori rhythm jerri msi gun rose
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rom for gatewai and misc info terri clark tclark new weeg uiowa edu wrote upgrad nanao thi monitor will handl vertic refresh not nanao will not btw gatewai told thing phil phil spiro spiro netcom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control hear net wisdom and net opinion id control liek id control card for vlb motherboard good option for thi prefer work and compat stacker and disk compress advis divya divya live long and die slow and horribl death confuciu want
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape backup for window for complet solut isa vlb scsi control ultrastor tape drive archiv window program that will work intend system will ram plain isa control will longer hear that scsi world not organ tape backup setup for describ mail marka gcx ssd csd harri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	refresh rate nec fgx can maximum horizont and vertic refresh rate nec fgx not fge
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ftp problem gatewai gatewai smc elit seri ethercard us ncsa ftp send gatewai hash turn hash mark immedi comput drag turn intern cach speed doesn match speed receiv gatewai doesn matter send gatewai hash mark and extrem slow cach not disabl thi fix gatewai purchas june respond directli you wouldn slow new thi system
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set articl qjv bogu sura net vargish bogu sura net nichola vargish write soundblat card suppos share irq lpt parallel printer interfac and gener thi scheme work sometim conflict depend softwar origin game bitchi interrupt solut switch interrupt irq unreserv contemporari comput irq for drive architechtur don put irq you comput thi irq complet stabl for and us plai mod and wav linux free for architectur machin problem game do us irq disadvantag game assum that board irq and adjust thi set had troubl luca film game peter geltner administr dean comput santa monica colleg santa monica california
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	refer need memori manag report topic advanc memori manag and good refer cover thi topic analyt chemistri class instrument analysi you guess doesn extrem thorough extens cover topic chemic engin and not memori manag point good direct thank advanc joe bleazard hydra gatech edu school chemic engin georgia institut technolog atlanta
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl isgtec isgtec ted isgtec ted richard write devilbiss col wrote brought ncd xview window version us modem link unix system instal easi you program ncd call xremot run unix host total softwar cost for seat ncd educ price softwar packag for strap for cash eugen ted richard ted isgtec uunet isgtec ted isg technolog inc airport mississauga ont canada eugen hsu aka heug univers southern california eugeneh scf usc edu electr and biomed engin freak yeah yeah santa victim kroq detect undercov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth happi gatewai owner pastor vfl paramax jon pastor write vast major case rememb that peopl tail curv motiv write love and hate you don hear folk middl rough edg doubt give good per dollar and us almost top qualiti compon middl road owner satisfi system had share problem correct phone convers etc satisfi for monei stephen husak not you you didn you woke todai depech mode noth music for mass stephen husak husak cso uiuc edu univeris illinoi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want chipset info motherboard last byte memori manag download for trial report chipset addtech pcchip chipset and activ ram segment ffff can us for umb for video bio write driver activ memori can program inform thi chip phil
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want opinion mag and nanao monitor bui monitor and that can decid monitor bui mag thi dpi version and triniton tube and nanao mind specif problem monitor relat opinion bui monitor will welcom advanc ong mang iastat edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor for xga ifpg new claremont edu dhosek jarthur claremont edu hosek write recommend monitor for xga can us svga monitor need curiou blow monster wad cash system xga xga for origin xga you that can interlac compat and idea for xga you prefer multi sync ibm nec even fix frequenc monitor home viewson multisync easi run mode color noninterlac higher mode dick kaul opinion not offici ibm posit etc ibm xga develop make wear suit speak for ibm boca raton shhhh maestro decompos kaul vnet ibm
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl bcinnmep golem wcc govt hamilton golem wcc govt michael hamilton write definitli mother board local bu slot claim support cpu includ and can throw inform light thi issu michael hamilton motherboard support bu and cpu option bio addit wait can ad regard cpu bu transact thi slow cpu rate that bu devic time thing wait appli cpu transact bu devic you want enabl wait you bu devic thi read motherboard manual and interpr tation your mileag vari strictli speak and mhz not compat and fudg mechan physic work gari korenek korenek ferranti network manag technolog incorpor ferranti intern control corp sugar land texa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cfv and vote ack comp programm port setup multimedia bug attent voter had problem mailbox dai vote check vote acknowleg ack end thi cfv your name address not send your vote check even you vote dai introduct thi and final call for vote cfv for creation newsgroup and renam creat comp programm port unmoder renam comp programm comp programm misc unmoder comp setup unmoder comp multimedia unmoder comp bug unmoder thi second attempt creat comp programm port and comp setup and renam comp programm comp programm misc attempt fail summer vote deadlin august vote rule state that anoth attempt for creat newsgroup can start six month wait period thi case march thi attempt creat comp multimedia and comp bug thi document contain background show for propos propos charter for propos vote instruct vote ballot exampl ballot vote rule vote schedul mass acknowledg background creation two free bit compil for gcc and emx gcc read comp programm for detail spur continu delug softwar 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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ncr extern floppi drive inherit ncr extern floppi thi thing port man back question connect thi thing hardwar need softwar tia alex respond directli not thi alia
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	fix frequenc khz vga monitor recent bought monichrom vga monitor for that will interlac good deal fix scan rate monitor and handl khz horizont trident card work graphic mode and not us sinc applic will set mode text suppos that can us thi gener purpos vga displai meg trident card not can sort vga card peter desnoy
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	request info mysteri card rummag box part found half size board that comm port board made fort data system and copyright date board male pin connector and jumper pin each two label plug into and ran advanc diagnost time chang jumper posit each time system not recognis comm port clue thi board configur us anoth comm port free bryan
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	joystick suggest plan bui joystick time sinc sold amiga year ago for idea kind stick bui peopl recommend varieti gravi model good willi vill walveranta tel fax linda av apt finland oakland fax automat recogn usa email wil shell portal
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl kvinnndk dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write point view scsi advantag come multi task data data and anywher drive can scsi find faster can drive and into comput faster cach system thought scsi good manag data bu multipl devic attach talk singl drive explain scsi inher faster manag data hard drive id integr devic electron common standard and us for medium size drive can hard drive asynchron transfer max don you start spec sheet isa bu you can quot scsi spec till you blue face exce isa bu capabl point id limit meg sec vlb id perform lowest set scsi interfac asynchron scsi mode averag put maximum id asynchron mode full scsi mode blow poor id window street and into garbag can impliment system problem becom can drive mechanisim put rate and that bottleneck and cost scsi come not interfac and drive mechanisim us scsi put origin question scsi us singl hard drive control scsi drive that will meg sec for scsi choic make senc meg meg sec scsi drive cost cost scsi interfac fullil prophisi peopl bui scsi expenc for turn convic make that mass produc scsi reduc cost unwar and scsi expenc that effect rule scale item sold each item bare brunt cost manufactur and each item cost origin cga cart back origin ega card pga scsi stood rel alon not come price talk and not sun sparc sgi name your favorit unix workstat that million bui decis year scsi had plenti time come price won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bu clk speed articl uupcb hal ann arbor robert desonia hal ann arbor robert desonia write param bio setup that bu clk clock isa spec card can run that fast set fact and set back act weird you unexplain floppi drive error your modem lock you video problem etc you overdr bu that thing check you error your system pretti safe overdr your bu long your isa card work flawlessli suggest back your plai not bu set clk mhz problem soundblast pro zoom fxm rll control etc work fine set mhz simpli don past post routin doubt you damag plai allen
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set solut switch interrupt irq unreserv contemporari comput irq for drive architechtur not completli true for class and machin irq reserv for lpt sinc rare second parallel port good safe choic you interrupt hand ran into problem that work gatewai comput modem mous and serial port set interrupt had real fight board us irq and discoverd problem that gatewai had set such that us irq disabl problem grumbl dai figur interrupt didn work mike spragu wbst xerox
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond speedstar hicolor card isa system meg diamond speedstar hicolor video card meg vram and standard ctx svga monitor run window and overlap window applic overlap program manag window and close activ applic window erasur slow part window that not overlap eras slowli thi happen iconifi applic hicolor card advertis faster standard video card not acceler chip run thi slow speed simpli expect acceler chip that bottleneck system that unawar you can mail directli you genek ucsb edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner problem recent run norton disk surfac test realiz slow harddisk access begin test harddisk will check speed that surfac test scane half harddisk tremend slow occur expect time for oper will jump minut us harddisk tool check physic damag harddisk and report turn surfac test slow for section disk and turn back origin speed get section wonder whether harddisk problem problem comment will apprici shane chenei wang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	phone number for western digit esdi problem esdi control rom bio work fine recent upgrad motherboard mhz maxter drive crazi make lot seek sound even drive not access numour hard disk control error symptom disappear switch turbo mode mhz suspect time depend rom bio routin newer version thi mother board ami bio cach mhz bu and work fine mfm drive had dig will send phone number tech support bb for western digit advanc jai physic seattl choe phy washington edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cach micron eisa vlb motherboard thi silli question process purchas eisa bu comput and found two place that sell machin that want and price ar and us cach motherboard that brand motherboard opti chip set micron edg technolog and us micron eisa vlb motherboard that thi silli question sinc that micron motherboard manufactur never heard cach lean ar machin impress that for build good solid machin and good tech support dai and warrante year micron hand recent aquir edg technolog and not trust compani input thi micron machin clear choic posit neg compani heard cach motherboard micron micron motherboard etc advanc for inform mohammad ansari
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	int for joystick slow int read joystick and hideous slow cpu time spent read joystick and thi program that noth printf and joyread problem that lot program trap int smartdrv and slow hell interfac can read joystick port safe fashion poll and that isn platform clockspe specif brianzex
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	colorado jumbo for gatewai world std peter davi write instal colorado jumbo tape backup unit gatewai and coupl complaint don common problem feedback us thi system btw thi tower system similar configur colorado tower problem firstli gatewai ship tape even drive unit call complain that carri and compress you can fit tape pai extra for larg capac tape drive you sucker silli believ that logo front meant actual carri capac peopl thi sort thing for live call market lawyer prosecut call fraud perhap can bunch dupe buyer march corpor headquart data drive choos space optim compress scheme and start full backup softwar estim minut hour thi sound thi bit long system take minut thing hour tape grind time mean that your block size for write small chang block size write buffer size bigger backup dozen file access deni error window system comm drv keyboard drv shell dll etc window progman ex and coupl file tape directori had thi happen thi file open do file tape directori like execut file configur file for tape system recommend run backup do will make complet backup tape directori for and feedback thi system hear good sourc for blank tape cartridg prefer size cartridg won you good sinc drive won write physic data tape brent william brentw netcom san jose california
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floppi drive problem problem floppi drive effort make drive drive switch order connect cabl serial card floppi id control boot chang cmo set reflect drive and drive drive light didn come and failur read drive switch cabl back origin posit and boot and restor origin cmo set light for floppi thi process and stai for long comput that disk drive spin disk access msd ex and norton detect drive detail inform norton tell that disk drive can offer suggest desper you for your time eric balog balog eniac sea upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit mode for ati final vesa driver for ati graphic ultra us thi view bit mode line pictur bit below pictur fine can wrong card softwar user name edward wong internet wong webo telephon
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	toshiba rom problem think get toshiba rom and hook scsi port media vision pro audio spectrum sound board thi configur work for gener toshiba rom drive you had hadwar problem door not open scratch disk door not close get stuck not close holder jam and relat problem advanc mark
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem adaptec scsi and jumbo tape drive replac exist dtc scsi control adaptec and troubl restor jumbo tape drive had troubl instal adaptec and do recognis scsi drive and exist id drive restor backup jumbo tape found that extrem slow estim time min actual time min troubl restor tape id drive rememb read that set had chang enabl jumbo drive and adaptec work togeth can find mention manual system config adaptec run fujitsu scsi id control run id jumbo run floppi control id appreci ron ronaldm extro ucc ron mastu ronaldm extro ucc mariposa phone work bilgola plateau home australia ron mastu ronaldm extro ucc mariposa phone work bilgola plateau
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl geh utdalla edu goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write yeah read anoth newsgroup that high qualiti trinitron tube monitor soni for exampl and thi extra cost come high bandwidth come and fantast imag and larg imag size etc etc two annoi line across screen two third come toni caton compstat wharton upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	buslog question goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write can thi card work march beta sinc buslog card proven reliabl driver endus not oem manufactur will softwar packag card includ driver for novel unix xenix and thi card work toshiba cdrom do setup quantam scsi toshiba cdrom told buslog support adaptec and that perform want will work do periph you extrem for and repli
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem adaptec scsi and jumbo tape drive ron mastu ronaldm extro ucc wrote replac exist dtc scsi control adaptec and troubl restor jumbo tape drive document that wrote time back slightli date that do releas darryl okahata internet darrylo disclaim thi messag author person opinion and not constitut support opinion polici hewlett packard green men that dai adaptec txt darrylo rel darrylo hint and tip for adaptec scsi adapt thi document contain hint and tip for get adaptec scsi adapt work hardwar and softwar packag base experi adaptec control and will hopefulli note that cannot guarante that will you work for and inform thi document possibl you lose your file your hard disk import back entir content your hard disk base inform thi document copyright darryl okahata thi document freeli copi for person us and not reprint for profit public consent author note that connect adaptec custom topic cover thi document window enhanc mode floppi control base tape backup devic sound card miscellan info note that part thi document technic and sometim ters descript problem for refer adaptec technic support adaptec bb send comment correct etc email compuserv internet darrylo window enhanc mode window instal program automat configur do and window for us adaptec case wrong describ need window work you notic that instal window make your run slower even you not run window method speed discuss section call window run slowli msdo configur window instal program add smartdriv disk cach your config sy and autoexec bat file you follow instruct you notic that you us doubl buffer smartdriv thi default setup you notic that your system run slower window and msdo section call window run slowli for wai speed your system window configur adaptec work window make that enh section system ini file contain entri virtualhdirq that window instal program automat add thi entri system ini not thi doesn work for you you want ad line virtualhdirq systemrombreakpoint fals emmexclud cfff you don line systemrombreakpoint entri us enabl support for memori manag qemm max need you us such program window run slowli onc you window run chanc that your system run slower not you happen aspi do sy version your config sy file congratul thi appear win solut you lucki whether your luck will hold remain your system run slower thi almost caus smartdriv doubl buffer window document and microsoft technic note smartdriv doubl buffer requir aspi do sy you us smartdriv doubl buffer enabl thi work slow your onc estim that thi slow factor thi unaccept look for solut you cannot disabl doubl buffer you window enhanc mode will not work and you even destroi content your hard disk run window you can us driver that provid doubl buffer opinion that unbeliev slow smartdriv caus horribl ineffici doubl buffer bug smartdriv us driver that vd servic vd stand for virtual dma servic thi standard support window that bu master disk control work window trash hard disk countless time found solut requir smartdriv note that get occasion pariti error not caus solut below not requir smartdriv kind disk cach util strongli recommend thi make window run faster you not aspi do sy driver you not aspi function for control cdrom tape drive two physic hard disk etc you can add scsiha sy driver your config sy file driver scsiha sy window option thi driver load into low memori cannot load into high memori and occupi novemb scsiha sy driver obtain adaptec bb hopefulli you aspi function and aspi do sy driver version you can us aspi do sy and scsiha sy driver your config sy file driver aspi do sy driver scsiha sy amazingli scsiha sy driver can load high assum you do thought that thi crash system doesn ask adaptec technic support thi and that load scsiha sy high fine long aspi do sy load low system not scsiha sy aspi do occasion window crash restart exit window addit result corrupt disk window grp file corrupt for crash occur make program progman ex default window shell and vice versa thi reason scsiha sy absolut idea scsiha sy version aspi do earlier note that peopl can us aspi do scsiha sy not problem peopl lucki had sort problem opinion not necessarili easiest solut upgrad aspi do scsiha sy driver longer need you previou aspi do upgrad adaptec bb aspi do driver not adaptec bb wai copi you can bui novemb adaptec scsi driver kit supposedli includ aspi do driver such cdrom driver list price you copi older version aspi do you can supposedli contact adaptec upgrad scsi for copi aspi do includ central point tool for msdo note that document and driver store directori note that aspi do includ cdrom driver and driver support two hard disk not includ thi obtain copi aspi do note that get occasion pariti error window probabl defect hardwar caus thi upgrad motherboard found solut pariti error occur disk access small definit possibl that pariti error driver relat for exampl chang bu time for disk transfer thi run memori test for hour time and test found problem thi problem caus memori margin time requir pariti error disk transfer thi memori test didn find problem problem show disk mention thi case isn hardwar problem floppi control base tape backup devic two problem adaptec floppi control base tape backup devic such colorado memori system jumbo tape backup restor can long time tape drive constantli start stop start stop etc tape oper errat encount tape error thi problem caus defect hardwar heard peopl similar problem and mention thi case not hardwar problem tape backup restor long time you floppi control base tape backup devic you adjust adaptec bu time for result tape drive tape backup restor tape drive motor continu run occasion paus default bu time adaptec tape drive motor start and stop start and stop second thi needless wear tape and tape drive note that dirti tape head defect tape drive can thi make your tape head clean thi tape backup restor longer problem that tape backup us floppi dma transfer data memori tape drive and adaptec dma transfer data memori hard disk floppi dma feed data tape drive rate tape drive not fed data quickli floppi dma tape drive stop rewind bit and restart onc data eventu fed default bu time adaptec dma time larg for exampl backup data transfer hard disk memori and memori tape default time adaptec hog memori time spent transfer data hard disk memori not time spent transfer data memori tape drive result tape drive constantli start and stop data not fed quickli solut chang adaptec bu time default factori set microsecond and microsecond bu time lower microsecond thi can two wai you aspi do you can us option for exampl us bu time microsecond mean that us line config sy file devic aspi do sy note that space and you don aspi do your recours find program call setscsi ex difficult find reason that adaptec for reason not want thi wide distribut onc ask work for adaptec and ask not upload anywher you anonym ftp access internet you archi hunt copi that coupl site that you find copi you run setscsi thi adjust bu time microsecond run setscsi ex argument reset bu time back factori default note that that you cannot us setscsi ex you us aspi do setscsi ex crash system aspi do load us setscsi ex scsiha sy not lower bu time below microsecond increas microsecond you lower low hard disk throughput will suddenli drop your system will feel slower for microsecond work fine thi work fine for you you adjust onc you lower bu time tape backup and restor run faster not experi bu time option that intention not describ you you bad combin can pariti error and wors starv memori refresh program call bustifix ex exist adaptec bb thi upgrad sinc last check thi extract archiv contain batch file and coupl file thi batch file suppos set bu time for and run thi program system crash time run scsiha sy and didn check conflict thi program work doc that work errat tape oper tape error thi problem not exist exist system hardwar problem heard peopl similar problem and mention thi case isn hardwar problem symptom thi problem persist even clean tape head back tape encount unus sector detect error result abort tape backup tape backup work tape compar fail tape drive start stop start stop etc unlik mention problem tape backup restor long time tape drive start and stop second thi kind start stop occur second fastback not find tape backup devic program central point backup and cm jumbo softwar assum that you cm jumbo tape drive can find tape drive fastback cannot tape read error not caus thi problem discov that floppi control solv month ago upgrad motherboard contain integr floppi control had floppi control initi disabl motherboard floppi control decid disabl floppi control and motherboard thi tape drive cm jumbo reliabl increas dramat and fastback suddenli find and us tape drive don thi caus hardwar problem hand floppi drive work great attach that noth wrong hand tape drive didn work attach floppi control work attach control thi indic hardwar problem chang floppi drive cabl and conceiv that problem cabl don you similar problem you want floppi control sound card popular sound card can plai record digit sound and thi typic dma tape drive dma adaptec dma can conflict sound card dma unlik that tape dma thi conflict manifest pariti error your system crash pariti error messag happen that data transfer quickli sound card and adaptec memori refresh cannot occur quickli pariti error get pariti error mean that hardwar problem your system thi case pariti error not symptom bad hardwar found that such pariti error typic occur record digit sound and chanc such error increas you increas record fidel higher sampl rate record stereo record bit etc tape drive solut solut lower adaptec bu time section tape drive for inform thi note that thi not solv problem reduc probabl pariti error softwar us record digit sound can greatli affect thi problem softwar ineffici disk cach speed your hard disk and amount disk fragment can affect thi miscellan info thi section contain miscellan hint tip and rumor inform that heard read and not verifi that inform correct not us your risk qemm and you paramet you aspi do driver you don qemm will crash hang bootup qemm manual mention thi instal program not detect that present and automat add thi option qemm command line thi occur qemm instal program haven test version earlier version qemm thi paramet not never us version earlier you us aspi do you not give qemm paramet version not support hard disk gigabyt size support hard disk capac you rom bio adaptec not thi true latest sold adaptec connect cdrom drive you scsi cdrom drive and driver note that cdrom drive proprietari interfac scsi drive cannot us you choic for cdrom driver idea solut work even work secondhand inform you can bui adaptec scsi driver packag list for you older adaptec driver you can supposedli upgrad scsi for contact adaptec for detail scsi packag supposedli contain that you you can bui corelscsi driver packag made peopl that make coreldraw thi packag contain cdrom driver scsi tape driver worm driver etc not list price thi packag sold for note that corelscsi not come aspi do driver need you not aspi do you get adaptec scsi thi method obsolet driver obsolet adaptec scsi kit mention case driver you can us driver adaptec asw kit aspi do and asw kit aspi cdrom driver you will copi mscdex ex high level cdrom driver not includ asw kit thi bulletin board us scsi tape drive you softwar that talk scsi tape drive softwar that heard section cdrom drive idea solut work even work secondhand inform central point tool for msdo supposedli support larg number scsi tape drive come scsi driver aspi do central point backup corelscsi driver packag contain scsi tape backup program section cdrom drive for detail note that corelscsi not come requir aspi do advertis that sell configur scsi control hard disk rom bio scsi control bio and adaptec aspi driver scsi control bio adaptec aspi driver and corelscsi driver program imagin that adaptec sell fourth configur scsi control bio and scsi driver includ aspi driver peopl us unix interest version gnu tar for msdo that talk scsi tape drive aspi do driver you thi driver you can us thi program never us thi version gnu tar heard that work don you anonym ftp access internet copi can found wsmr simtel armi mil and mirror site msdo dskutl aspibin zip gnu tar for scsi tape drive adaptec aspipat zip patch for aspibin rel gnu tar aspisrc zip src for gnu tar for scsi tape adaptec ctrlr idea copi can found compuserv unixforum forum msdo concern and control msdo work hardwar for two board not ident and msdo program that initi not work work bsd version bsd unix case curiou edit copi config sy file file buffer break stack devic sy dev aspi do sy devic qemm qemm sy ram rom dma ffff do high umb devicehigh sy dev nnansi sy devicehigh do setver ex shell do command note that qemm and aspi do aspi do us config sy that look file buffer break stack devic sy dev aspi do sy devic qemm qemm sy ram rom dma ffff do high umb devicehigh sy dev scsiha sy devicehigh sy dev nnansi sy devicehigh do setver ex shell do command weren aspi do us that look file buffer break stack devic sy dev scsiha sy devic qemm qemm sy ram rom dma ffff do high umb devicehigh sy dev nnansi sy devicehigh do setver ex shell do command us floppi control base tape drive plan record high qualiti sound sound card chang adaptec bu time two version config sy care thi thi last version doesn local variabl fill column eval auto fill mode nil end
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive can rememb last you can find mark circuit board open machin and you mine kevin holli mcmaster univers hamilton ontario hollyk mcmail ci mcmaster
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do boot disk requir you don want emm load articl poinnsvf levelland utexa edu sm utexa edu stephen mark sanderson write sm utexa edu stephen mark sanderson subject do boot disk requir you don want emm load date apr do user note you want plai game that hate us upper memori manag do not problem boot disk requir your system start hit kei thi tell bypass config and autoexec altogeth you plain gener session do noth load anoth function kei that step config sy ask you want execut each line forgotten moment you can find you not bypass config sy do function multi config you boot sy multi config kind that you can choos you config sy startup and find that good conflict qemm problem boot sy kei you trace config sy step step error phillip phillipau cuhk
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit repli western digit voic mail can inform drive actual person end
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem initi describ manual step for initi card initdisplai bio call reg reg for resolut interrupt unlock regist lock for access regist set unlock regist lock for access syst control and syst extens regist unlock graphic command group set bit syst configur regist unlock advanc displai function set bit function control regist oper fifo stack empti watch statu graph proc statu full mean ffh place occupi empti mean place occupi read thi regist two wai time result machin eisa bu and local bu idea andrea dist institut fuer computersystem eth zuerich email dist inf ethz
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control apr gmt divya sundaram sundaram egr msu edu wrote hear net wisdom and net opinion id control liek id control card for vlb motherboard good option for thi prefer work and compat stacker and disk compress maxtor isa id control machin vlb save transfer rate variat isa bu speed test speed mhz and mhz not differ problem not interfac control and memori advic bui meg ram save and enjoi perform penio penev internet penev venezia rockefel edu disclaim oppinion mine
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	appl hard disk drive want question bought hard disk drive second hand dai and open packag and that small sticker drive that had red appl bite socket not exist hard disk that comput fifti pin stick that stick hard disk don disk drive for appl mac us clone us thi hard disk clone not purchas quantum prodriv date green board will control add card appreci
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard disk question articl aovai qube ocunix aovai qube ocunix aovai write disassembl and disk drive hard drive and floppi drive question can us drive drive thi hard drive floppi drive can doubt that you us hard drive drive mfm rll flavor bet your id drive two not compat control you us drive control your you plug your drive into your exist control you us floppi control that us timothi timhu ico isc intellig lack express interact system corpor not necessarili reflect resourc solut intern that thu grip uwyo edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	video board for system advic video card for system ram novel network monitor nec fge capabl vertic refresh rate major consider expect will work window do applic and want decent speed do word process databas and commun not intens graphic monitor expect will work and color plenti imag sharp fast and rock solid consider sometim run unix clone coher and understand that compani diamond don encourag parti develop driver move decid speed and reliabl window for databas work and multitask don local bu motherboard not invest isa video board versu get expens and upgrad local bu bui thing compani that treat custom you advic for love hear email post david todd depart psycholog univers massachusett amherst usa phone david todd psych umass edu fax
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mountain tape backup mountain tape backup that compar note jumper set softwar ect contact maker thi drive you can contact mountain network solut gener number tech support bb for info david for tech and bb line thi bye slmr hobbi hobbi origin bb
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ctx start similar thread month ago and repli summari ctx nasti low qualiti avoid ctx proscan not good make cheap main problem poor qualiti control report pincushion problem had poor focu etc etc complain mine and tune dodn even pai ship and return dai clear focuss and pincushion barrel distort happi and digit control and mode memori nice trinitron nicer that price rang conclus you budget and prepar send back not perfect won you good potenti chri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa eisa fri apr gmt jesper honig spring spring diku wrote can give opinion system system perform isa bu eisa bu eisa vesa royal cell such system for penio penev internet penev venezia rockefel edu disclaim oppinion mine
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi almost hernia laugh thi scsi will obsolet kill vesa local bu id real nice shaft buck for extra cost scsi drive pai anoth for scsi control huge softwar packag and file that produc id longer suffici for limit second rumor microsoft recogn import scsi and will support not do win rate deal corel make hear good cohes set scsi driver mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	orchid fahrenheit sparkel answer you respond post offici respons orchid orchid awar problem rev board rev not care problem product schedul start april confirm that product start thi dai word tech line flame you compani orchid produc good qualiti product past helpful and will make screwup poor tech support time call spoke janitor talk crazi last time talk tech name paul and pretti good idea problem resovl depart will bui recommend orchid product flame you answer post terri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	two question two question figur access cmo advanc chip set eisa motherboard air that ami bio specif set atclk wait state bu speed thi board can thi area greatli appreci for phone number for wangtek tape drive specif for jumper set drive advanc toni
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	eisa tape control qic format tape drive that come eisa control colorado isa and mca control mail mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	choos power suppli previou articl lope cogsci ucsd edu alann lope problem that recent had bad and suggest that inadequ power suppli kind wattag run two larg maxtor and not expert understand watt output power suppli exce sum hard disk watt requir typic power suppli suffici power hope thi lau hon wah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa local bu previou articl guyd austin ibm gui dawson bear mind vlb stand for for video origion intent bu speed bu that larg memori memori transfer faster thi espic transfer data main memori video memori not picki vlb stand for vesa vesa stand for video vlb stand for video not correct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rom player you choos for netter cdrom drive order cancel and thought not net commun order nec cdr cheaper that want drive will us instal softwar and for listen perhap dai want us read that not relev moment offer rom player for price state claim scsi and oper drive not list cdrom faq and therefor give your opinion drive impress that not scsi nec list scsi cdrom faq and compat scsi product faq calcul price dutch guilder time time mitsumi crmc philip lm philip toshiba nec cdr bought that trantor that faq extrem cheap and scsi trick can order holland mastercard trantor regard name meuldijk address gildelaar teteringen fax holland mail volkert kub oooo oooo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	perfect mag monitor intent mag thread wait for mine arriv mail lot complaint minor align problem articl contain comment that owner call factori and told that screen rotat spec monitor arriv last night and notic barrel distort not dramat and notic imag doesn fill entir screen fact that wors side doesn matter find minor imperfect norm monitor perfect don want send back and even wors problem factori thi kind thing normal and ship monitor perfect align netter live kind imperfect comment and opinion mine not bnr doug adcock adcock bnr bell northern research research triangl park
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	shop for nec monitor articl qjfa inn titan uc umass edu dtodd titan uc umass edu david todd write dtodd titan uc umass edu david todd subject shop for nec monitor date apr articl qhppp gha darwin sura net wbarn sura net bill barn write basic for svga interlac monitor nec comput mag us standard and and heard pretti good bit expens buck deal thought perhap find good for recommend thought nec fgx spec for scan frequenc limit comment thi work that nec replac and fgx fge and fge model reportedli releas end thi month wait for fge main differ year warranti and higher refresh rate higher resolut sound magazin note that fge boost number wai call nec number and send you info david todd depart psycholog univers massachusett amherst usa phone david todd psych umass edu fax nec fgx for month thi monitor had problem person spend extra monei for thi monitor and sacrific featur such mhz mhz base comment you want view fgx seri run window refresh rate appear for you feel differ final speak spend monei size todai file etc tape backup worth recent set friend mhz and vesa local bu redraw time for graphic program factor faster doubt warrant extra cost
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want opinion mag and nanao monitor sleep dragon ong mang iastat edu wrote bui monitor and that can decid monitor bui mag thi dpi version and triniton tube and nanao mind good luck find back decemb januari mag wasn produc couldn tube soni ask expect restart product will wait month not time wound get and extrem happi david david engel optic data system inc david od arapaho road richardson
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard disk util you guru group and forgiv question frequent ask don answer recent problem comput seagat meg hard drive occasion find corrupt file time program work fine util that easili that can determin whether not problem result hard drive ill behav program hardwar item utilit determin whether not hard drive properli align etc expect greatli thi matter reformat disk and reinstal and hope that will fix problem assur problem can give opinion do compress and defragment routin good upgrad don routin oppos bui separ advanc for mitchel solti solti radonc unc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control articl apr sol ctr columbia edu penev venezia rockefel edu write hear net wisdom and net opinion id control liek id control card for vlb motherboard good option for thi prefer work and compat stacker and disk compress maxtor isa id control machin vlb save transfer rate variat isa bu speed test speed mhz and mhz not differ problem not interfac control and memori advic bui meg ram save and enjoi perform comput mhz bu isa mhz drive maxtor config sy autoexec bat do win smartdrv sy cach smartdrv ex core sec sec sec norton sec sec sec peopl vlb id want vlb bu speed us id drive want id drive can handl bu speed mhz friend and maxtor meg id drive get sec can rememb exactli bu run mhz thi case
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi dxb psuvm psu edu write articl qlbrlinn dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb magazin april scsi twice fasst esdi faster id and support devic accept long stall incompat problem and instal headach love magazin writer make stupid statement that perform number list actual perform rang convinc that such statement absurd scsi rang scsi rang id rang esdi standard version thi show that you don scsi scsi scsi control chip rang and that you scsi scsi scsi control chip burst bit note increas speed mac quadra thi version scsi exist us thi set scsi bit scsi mode burst scsi bit wide fast mode burst scsi bit wide and fast burst your data scsi twice fast esdi correct scsi control chip scsi can reach faster id scsi fact post thi newsgroup mac ibm info sheet ftp sumex aim stanford edu info mac report mac ibm compar version txt part thi problem mac and ibm inconsi scsi document that quadra scsi chip appl salesperson fast scsi chip not burst not scsi maximum synchron and quadra ansynchron scsi slower that mac and ibm scsi interfac and scsi scsi interfac driven machin scsi control chip bit mode faster true scsi can don slam articl you don understand refer for quadra scsi control chip digit review oct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive djweisb unix amherst edu david weisberg write drive drive can make system boot drive optim comput boot check order for bootabl disk switch cabl and simpli switch drive that can boot disk that boot won trick for davebo you can into setup byt press ctrl alt in ctrl alt printscreen that give you option set drive boot
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sound read last coupl week articl desrib plai sound soundblast didn save articl and articl purg system whomev post articl detail connect wire post specif connect wire speaker card thx advanc carl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit box gatewai plai gatewai local bu machin last night appar that window didn give option for bit access for virtual memori perman swap file and disk drive local bu interfac thi expect investig bit option appear for scott linn scott hpcvccl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	question serial mous work ibm notebook you happen can serial mous pin work ibm notebook kind bu mous connect serial and parallel interfac manual doesn two driver result that left and button recogn mous movement not cut shortcut wire mous for your eddi zondag philip research egzondag prl philip
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	laserjet upgrad dpi opinion larryhow austin ibm wrote current product upgrad resolut support postscript experi good bad qualiti differ notic plan produc camera readi copi home will higher resolut notic for you talk laser jet postscript don advantag pcl you peic hardwar plug into that work and can support languag that suit for job don pcl even capabl handl dpi specif experi laser master winjet bring dpi and postscript fast print mode not postscript and lower resolut dpi fast thi product your host processor process postscript even decent you slow slow compar high end workstat process qualiti differ notic and almost worth wait for process impati for camera imag grai scale imag accept word and hand winjet printer driver convert imag into postscript and hand winjet postscript processor postscript render into ram lot and shoot directli printer processor can accept file creat sourc includ do applic window run time print processor respons for halfton and pretti good job camera imag good opinion not good laser master demo don similar product surpris gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tandberg futur domain tmc seagat problem system work tandberg futur domain tmc seagat mfm control system boot tandberg disconnect system and scsi devic found scsi devic system boot seagat mfm control remov system futur domain card report find tandberg scsi bu system stop boot mfm hard disk can found system hang tandberg futur domain tmc seagat mfm control system conflict seagat and futur domain card funni thing that hang tandberg connect check that conflict bio address irq port miss lost suggest welcom advanc delman delman lee tel medic imag process group fax univers pennsylvania blocklei hall servic drive philadelphia internet delman mipg upenn edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive optim comput boot check order for bootabl disk switch cabl and simpli switch drive that can boot disk that boot won trick for davebo had issu plagu for month gatewai final tire perman interchang drive reason didn place had bootabl and base instal disk expect drive order softwar and upgrad and number stupid instal program that can handl altern drive declin time had upgrad and for bootabl cut replac switch drive not option you wire drive switch your comput chasi haven work long wire carefulli gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set cybard dudek acsu buffalo edu wrote uzun netcom william roger uzun write soundblast board and jumper irq port will thi conflict parallel port id control multi board ser par port and vga board choos anoth irq irq safe us motherboard recent ad modem comput and notic that lpt irq and card never had problem wonder not thought thi conflict explan thi can explain pro and lpt can share irq tom huot huot crai
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor rgb sync vga don thi obviou question can current batch window acceler card diamond etc us drive monitor rgb and horizont and vertic sync bnc jack altogeth connector back ahold raster technolog monitor cheap and wonder connect adapt rgb vga gatewai driver etc mike scanlon repli scanlon interlan
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set apr walter crai huot crai tom huot write explan thi can explain pro and lpt can share irq simpli do doesn us irq for that you can share irq anssi anssi saari tut tamper univers technolog finland europ
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl qlbrlinn dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write magazin april scsi twice fasst esdi faster id and support devic accept long stall incompat problem and instal headach note not site factor price premium approx for control nice run hard disk tape drive rom and scanner dma channel and interupt scsi make sens you load machin you want standard box for window id make sens load box that scsi and run unix and standard box that run do window that id standard mean ram disk video int articl will plug and plai scsi articl you plug and plai scsi sinc scsi full impliment ten not devic beleiv thi last bit plain wrong scsi intergr site anoth part microsoft plug and plai program gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	video card address add second base video card system compani that sell card that can coexist anoth color text monitor and fast color graphic configur address
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	switch switch floppi drive that drive becom becom problem that ribbon cabl switch cmo set reflect thi chang and that that correctli drive not oper correctli thi configur prompt type drive light come type light for and drive come jumper each drive label origin po po chang ttl suggest greatli appreci advanc eric balog balog eniac sea upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	select backup solut netter purchas sort backup solut you read situat your opinion scenario two comput hous small id drive scsi drive adaptec control system tool and will us central point backup backup restor program system and floppi comput not network will anytim solut haven thought for option hear see flaw drive type won coexist devic etc think don beast put floppi drive combin drive each system can suppli cost and brand inform good brand floppi cost put intern tape backup unit scsi adapt and continu back floppi can recommend manufactur brand rememb colorado memori happi unhappi user compress controversi connect extern tape backup unit scsi adapt and connect suggest instal floptic drive each machin gotcha recommend for manufactur your you post send mail will summar respons for net georg georg pandelio internet gjp sei cmu edu softwar engin institut usenet sei gjp avenu voic pittsburgh fax disclaim opinion and not reflect softwar engin institut sponsor custom client affili carnegi mellon univers fact resembl opinion individu live dead fiction real pure coincident
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	drive won boot recent switch drive problem can read and write and correctli can boot floppi check cmo set set for floppi seek boot and boot order onc had floppi that not system file messag tell put disk system disk drive didn work system disk drive thi happen power and memori test light come light come short beep light come for instant light come noth happen light disk activ kind and screen blank can even us ctrl alt del suggest advanc eric balog balog eniac sea upenn edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	instal second id drive recent cousin second intern id drive seagat can model number import and instal vest interest sinc machin bust and us mine fix seagat id forget model number can find can bloodi thing manag drive disconnect not time whenev thing hang bootup never get past system test id control instruct sheet support two drive configur cmo correctli power plug properli even learn master slave relationship that two hd suppos didn pc into and configur jumper properli master slave thing can cabl wrong combin control master slave control slave master master control slave work can anoth possibl that partit into two seper drive and and cmo ask for drive and drive setup info drive and drive thi confus thing drive bereft doc for info for cmo setup control piec paper size index card cannib cabl connector each end and middl serial connect lost advanc thi practic emerg two paper thi thing for mondai william barn suranet oper wbarn sura net voic fax disclaim don speak for suranet and don speak for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl qmgtrinnf dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb dxb psuvm psu edu write articl qlbrlinn dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb magazin april scsi twice fasst esdi faster id and support devic accept long stall incompat problem and instal headach love magazin writer make stupid statement that perform number list actual perform rang convinc that such statement absurd scsi rang scsi rang id rang esdi standard version your data scsi twice fast esdi correct twice you pick scsi setup that make statment correct even you make such statement meaningless you understood that esdi and id includ scsi and ata complet esdi devic level mfm rll scsi control chip scsi can reach faster id scsi fact great you can compar two number ata speed mode articl mislead wrong post thi newsgroup mac ibm info sheet ftp sumex aim stanford edu info mac report mac ibm compar version txt recommend peopl call ncr board and download ansi spec interest thi stuff part thi problem mac and ibm inconsi scsi document that quadra scsi chip appl salesperson fast scsi chip not burst not scsi maximum synchron and quadra ansynchron scsi slower that mac and ibm miss agre lot opportun for market jingo scsi compliant tell you noth perform whether wide support etc refer for quadra scsi control chip digit review oct us hopefulli good ncr chip
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor dy recent svga monitor act take minut warm previous start can cmo messag ram test etc wait for min displai show and start bright white flash thi happen system for long time overnight for coupl hour and turn displai work normal caus thi warn that will give sign ag system and yr us system work for year and never thi happen monitor appreci that you fellow netter can offer lot edwin edwin edwin ccu aukuni engin univers auckland privat bag auckland zealand
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	chang motherboard mess connector articl portland cap main edu jozef slabi portland cap main edu write chang motherboard had lot troubl get led spkr turbo turboswitch hdd klck rst connector correctli reconnect for exampl turbo switch had wire and motherboard connect two pin and solut thi rewir connector approach thi somewhat frustrat work turbo switch doesn work put replac motherboard system and had similar question cent worth speaker connector two wire speaker speaker coil bidirect and make differ you attach turbo switch wire control you want turbo becom activ switch push switch middl wire common us ohm meter figur wire connect common wire switch push and two wire connect switch place two wire turbo berg connector motherboard led turbo and led uni direct depend wire attach led will not light ami motherboard turbo switch wire not attach berg connector board board will power default turbo mode your motherboard that attac led wire board led doesn light power revers connector and work attach turbo switch board hope thi help dan moyer dan moyer columbiasc ncr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set articl tut tut anssi saari apr walter crai huot crai tom huot write explan thi can explain pro and lpt can share irq simpli do doesn us irq for that you can share irq that correct do you can us irq for your you can that irq for printer
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need macc mcmaster holli write western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive figur jumper quit problem that perplex you wouldn drive work system format and hardwar instal problem that boot sequenc comput not want pass for system drive reiniti fine and bio configur drive test work thing come back drive and disk present spin you insert disk into drive system work fine and boot instal softwar addit thi will swood hunt michigan don despair close season opossum porcupin weasel red squirrel skunk starl feral pigeon english sparrow ground squirrel woodchuck trout season open last saturdai thi month
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi grubb bgrubb dant nmsu edu wrote wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write meg meg sec scsi drive cost sinc quadra mac deal and hard drive start idea for mac extern etc thought you want latest price macweek meg int ext couldn find quantum low profil drive last quantum height drive bunch stuff delet scsi high end comput world multitask standard for part hear hear you can natur you greg shaw natur part natur shaw feanor xel love rocket uunet csn xel shaw
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	maxtor drive geometri jumper
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	for replac for jvc disk hold zenith laptop model zwl hard disk dead rest work zenith apart and found strang disk for wich replac disk mark jvc model spec thi disk suggest can find cheap replac for for your michael michael thurbin michael pcmith rk michael thurbin sommarvagen phone vaxjo fax sweden
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	video card address articl qmrdd umcc umcc umich edu jon umcc umcc umich edu jon zeeff write add second base video card system compani that sell card that can coexist anoth color text monitor and fast color graphic configur address for worth haven confirm diamond tech rep told that base video card us port address and thi true appear that you cannot us card your system lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm that percent sign network address statement comment opinion etc reflect author and not misconstru ibm for that matter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	turbomodem complet question transfer softwar two machin and real troubl intel bi bi work fine talk and come clear thi modem machin turbomodem complet machin seper hous direct serial link imposs and copi thi data disk pain easier turn machin for hour and movi thi not pirat softwar end troubl set will dial and connect fine baud set comm kbp stupid thing connect garbag connect machin afn uart that not problem that stupid thing talk comm program bp even will dial instruct and respond etc command don comm program that can precis look manual unclear didn thi troubl intel readi connect thi initi bi and and mnp connect sinc test zip doesn idea btw initi string that us for modem error that moscow grandfath taught literatur orphanag trial rostov don confess gruesom sexual murder victim includ children young event modern histori sundai mail apr
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl lkev hpj feanor xel shaw feanor xel greg shaw write don you start spec sheet isa bu you can quot scsi spec till you blue face exce isa bu capabl point isa eisa vlb interfac worth invest thousand dollar worth monei don complain wasn you that scsi expens had year two ago isa bu bui scsi for isa isa slow you that scsi isa bu not automat winner compar id you didn read carefulli vlb id connect mechan standard id transfer rate limit id whether interfac isa eisa vlb matter not transfer rate id chang isa bu speed mine for thing scsi blow id water hand id throughput isn us workstat and file server id variant ibm mfm control that softwar point view never meant encompass protoc standard impliment across platform argument that id can can transfer data id drive fast drive provid data scsi version id drive deliv higher sustain transfer rate scsi interfac higher rpm platter arrang head etc origin question scsi us singl hard drive control scsi drive that will meg sec for scsi choic make senc meg meg sec scsi drive cost that nice thing multitask scsi can us drive onc unix load pc windog and can us two id drive time pretti ugli data drive anoth and scsi abil perform that transfer data cpu main memori that optim id can that cpu data drive data store main memori you that scsi can grab data drive time and store transfer that data main memori time work irq and dma channel isa bu bought quantum for mac home paid for haven id drive cheaper friend mine maxtor meg id drive for that million byte mega byte basic interfac get close meg sec transfer your figur includ hundr for scsi driver talk scsi expens simpli common interfac for had common read easili implement method ad scsi sun mac you find scsi connect medium choic you that scsi default interfac type that vast major don rom drive tape backup etc that had hard drive and run do that scsi hard drive cost lot mfm rll drive time and common scsi drive meg year ago lot lack common interfac card that prevent scsi connect medium choic won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive singl drive scsi expens that point faster thi thi you perform for monei for peopl that will singl hard drive system will scsi choic give perform id you bought your for expand you want add drive true expand can start bu mean option for rom drive tape backup that run card you can add type devic and access concurr argument thi held time scsi buyer reason scsi devic will time scsi buyer eventu acquir make sens scsi for singl hard drive system scsi devic work machin mac and home and move hard drive nice scsi hook and post scsi spec you that and appl scsi hard drive compat and even data access machin format partit file tabl differ plug plai scsi devic work togeth id devic for instanc recent ad older connor meg id maxtor meg id connor setup slave will work scsi you set address check termin plug and drive connor becom logic drive do thi problem problem id mutual exclus notic that time take switch access drive drive quit long compar time take switch drive scsi system multitask thi notic thing can onc two id drive system for temporari file transfer never differ switch drive differ transfer file drive drive neat thing that notic fring benefit abil add older almost dead drive storag scsi system problem bunch almost dead meg drive that ad interfac full meg drive meg drive tape drive and meg drive card that nice long power suppli can that possibl for id drive simpli put scsi handier id mysteri jumper figur mysteri and expens driver figur id doesn requir driver that consum preciou convent do memori
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	toshiba rom problem msmith beta triciti wsu edu mark smith write think get toshiba rom and hook scsi port media vision pro audio spectrum sound board thi configur work for gener toshiba rom drive you had hadwar problem door not open scratch disk door not close get stuck not close holder jam and relat problem and favorit rom drive nec and had experi drive phillip drive faster nec door nec hand handl nec boot rom fly replac nec anoth toshiba jw
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	identifi thi ethernet card simon moscow uidaho edu mike simon write articl qhvuninnhau emori mathc emori edu splee org seng poh lee speedi write ethernet card bu that apollo workstat identifi order us assembl number rev and bit card circa aui port bnc coax connect select address for bio dma and irq locat berg jumper appear intel processor board for buffer ethernet chip appear intel pin dip packag thi chip equival us card pin plcc chip call link two similar sound board for dirt cheap assi number not seri your descript fit aka etherlink card check ftp driver and diagnost program for and card conclud that card ran diagnost program for succesfulli pass fly colour packet driver for card juha liukkonen aka jliukkon helsinki univers helsinki dept lost soul trust sledg hammer
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive thi thread and figur throw two cent amiga zorro bu compar isa bu mhz amiga had pre empt multi task sinc and can oper ram scsi us almost exclus system scsi control that transfer data dma cpu request data hard drive and continu work control get data and move memori control that reselect can oper even multipl devic thi espic true scsi tape unit for exampl rewind format tape command issu control and bu releas access devic bu thi greatli increas product back your hard drive happen read thi group long stori us id for cdrom scsi can move machin and scsi standard and support ibm clone machin plan complet rid id wayn summer amiga simpli palm bai wayn amtow spacecoast org quot week don hate microsoft microsoft hate product lame found ibm misc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	toshiba rom problem articl apr serval net wsu edu msmith beta triciti wsu edu mark smith write onc you put good word for that work had problem toshiba work do and for you don load special driver instal will detect that toshiba drive and you btw fast carlo rimola sarti email rimola csisdn connect strategi inc car btr isdn pri connect phone
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl wayn amtow spacecoast org wayn amtow spacecoast orgx newssoftwar grn mike schwartz michael smith write articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive thi thread and figur throw two cent amiga zorro bu compar isa bu mhz for fact that superior isa bu amiga had pre empt multi task sinc and can oper ram scsi us almost exclus system for system that ship id control toodlepip marc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	olivetti floppi connect olivetti floppi drive second drive panason machin sort talk get spin and step disk not readi error two jumper work open posit dip switch and posit dip switch don set dip switch and that problem inform advic junk stupid thing appreci email repli prefer jdresser tymnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl wayn amtow spacecoast org wayn amtow spacecoast orgx newssoftwar grn mike schwartz michael smith write want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive scsi control that transfer data dma cpu request data hard drive and continu work control get data and move memori id dma techniqu floppi control dma and board us dma dma big deal and noth directli scsi for exampl rewind format tape command issu control and bu releas access devic bu thi greatli increas product back your hard drive happen read thi group you can your softwar for that do had brain format floppi etc you hardwar will support do won thi noth scsi long stori us id for cdrom scsi can move machin and scsi standard and support ibm clone machin plan complet rid id and you stick do you you can multitask can unix type miracul thing id harddriv that can singl scsi hard drive
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	junior usabl fianc junior and upgrad full us monitor machin heard mcga ega not us card can us drive control floppi etc for bryan bryan welch amateur radio sfg internet europa vnet ibm bwelch scf nmsu edu will perish save love and music scot gaelic proverb disclaim opinion
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	baud spirit modem world want bui spirit data fax modem made heard perform stabl not give advic addit heard new local distributor that baud ccitt rom distributor will ccitt standard for thi modem will produc end thi year replac rom thi rom thi spirit can transfer data baud hardwar altern thi true and telephon line transfer such high speed give advic last can contact central dealer quickcomm inc not whether not leav mail you leung hong kong univers
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write bought quantum for mac home paid for haven id drive cheaper friend mine maxtor meg id drive for that million byte mega byte basic interfac get close meg sec transfer your figur includ hundr for scsi driver sinc mac scsi for hard drive figur includ hundr for scsi driver thi sloppi peopl and dumb that point faster thi thi you perform for monei onc scsi spec list scsi scsi control chip synchron rang asynchron rang slower scsi scsi control chip burst bit note increas speed mac quadra thi version scsi exist pc us thi set scsi bit scsi mode burst for want scsi don want pai for bit bit hardwar mess scsi softwar control usabl scsi devic close bit scsi speed scsi bit wide fast mode burst scsi bit wide and fast burst interfac dxb psuvm psu edu speak id rang synchron and asynchron mode asynchron slower rang esdi standard version problem inconsit us term scsi articl and peopl proper mean set scsi interfac compos scsi and scsi inconsit us scsi below quot comment magazin april scsi twice fast esdi thi asynchron scsi scsi chip faster id thi asynchron scsi scsi chip and bit scsi read consitantli quot read asynchron scsi scsi chip asynchron scsi twice fast esdi speed id asynchron scsi scsi chip bit scsi scsi scsi chip and bit scsi time fast esdi faster id note nonus scsi thi elimin ambagu scsi driver somewhat reason bit and bit scsi driver expans bit scsi can us scsi driver speed degrid mac quadra exactli thi continu thi thread state scsi you talk scsi scsi scsi scsi and scsi make differ
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	junior usabl articl apr sernew raleigh ibm europa tomcat raleigh ibm welch bryan write fianc junior and upgrad full us monitor machin heard mcga ega not us card can us drive control floppi etc thing you salvag junior floppi drive and monitor floppi and monitor cga you will adaptor cabl us junior not us standard card you strap for cash you junk thing and bui stuff dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman ccwf utexa edu dcoleman utxvm utexa edu univers texa austin decnet utxvm dcoleman electr comput engin bitnet dcoleman utxvm bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl qpu uinnbt dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write sinc mac scsi for hard drive figur includ hundr for scsi driver thi sloppi peopl and dumb group thi thi not mac group onc scsi spec list spec list talk scsi not mac unix box and talk isa bu possibl eisa vlb thi isin comp periph scsi perform figur singl scsi drive isa eisa vlb bu theoret perform figur not relev thi group thi debat that platform that can handl meg sec scsi xyz wide fast isin continu thi thread state scsi you talk scsi scsi scsi scsi and scsi make differ scsi design peopl had act togeth built scsi port
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	network heard that call network that two network join serial port thi greatli mail thi tschew etc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	buslog question articl tigerc netcom tiger netcom tiger zhao write goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write can thi card work march beta sinc buslog card proven reliabl buslog card driver that work march beta support for buslog card not includ longer you instal beta rom you will rem adaptec devic driver nasti tendenc crash buslog card attempt us adaptec you add buslog driver config sy rom boot disk and rem adaptec driver you instal half beta and won work ibm nice copi adaptec driver onc ibm rem adaptec driver onc and reboot you order will work thing pretti smooth rest instal will instal adaptec scsi driver onc end you rem statement and fun come driver and cost adaptec card that not come driver do driver work great thi card can easili configur work set port and you can us multipl host adapt machin you card will support drive do hope thi help dan dan galpin galpin cat ucsc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	data path width bit speed doubl evolut data path width doubl bit speed data process not increas rate question relationship bettween data path width and data process speed advanc for input robert
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	address interliv address interliv and memmori modul interliv advanc for info robert
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	search for bad memori chip articl cat david cat dave write thi idea share check for bad memori chip creat boot disk emm himem sy and ramdriv sy config autoexec bat boot creat ram drive larg us disk repair util us ndd run ram drive will run devic driver run pass quick your machin fail defin bad memori chip your machin pass conflict program you load memori interest idea worst case data pattern develop test magnet media total pattern us detect common fault memori chip bob nichol bell laboratori rnichol ihlpm att
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	buslog question beta support for buslog card not includ longer not thi disappoint you instal beta rom you will rem adaptec devic driver nasti tendenc crash buslog card attempt us adaptec yep that latest and futur adaptec driver for string adaptec that effect card bio
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	freez perri egelm perri wswiop win tue wrote ladanyi cornel edu szlo lada nyi write problem occasionali machin freez that thought recent discov that machin work keyboard freez and clock drop turbo mhz standard mhz mode perhap you hit control doesn explain clock rate drop had problem compani chang keyboard bio and that fine dealer told that board that seri defect kbd bio michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need holli macc mcmaster wrote western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive jumper us drive conner xxx jumper set drive alon drive master drive slave michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	port modem mous conflict phil hunt phil howtek wrote kind stuff machin serial port and and share irq you mean can plug mous into and modem into and expect work coher etc drive port poll mode irq your exampl access modem mous won work you reboot irq us modem answer chang irq for port and matter irq set port you can chang irq for depend your hardwar irq irq you printerport irq you can chang irq printer for you can assign irq free irq can us your card bit and caould access irq michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa bu pin question diamond speedstar todai reciev warranti replac for diamond speedstar card notic jumper label card revis detect work shown that thi jumper simpli connect disconnect bale line pin part isa bu question simpl peopl thi revis speedstar manual claim that thi jumper isa refer function bale line relat note ftp site descript refer isa bu motherboard manual simpl pin signal name chart that dougla dougla pokorni drp camelot bradlei edu major geisert hall resid conveni locat bradlei univers armpit illinoi peoria
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	int for joystick slow inn name nerdc ufl edu lioness oak circa ufl edu write int read joystick and hideous slow cpu time spent read joystick and thi program that noth printf and joyread you read print reason for joystick stuff not time even effici problem that lot program trap int smartdrv and slow hell interfac can read joystick port safe fashion poll and that isn platform clockspe specif truth that int joystick read slow read directli hardwar port note that expos you intermitt disturb interrupt you want read twice row and lower result don turn interrupt prove detriment health high speed comm and devic exampl thi joi exampl read joystick port poll hardwar port directli inp outp for byte port access will timeout int count count thi sampl read port present and comment you can read onc merg two will time joystick not connect optim thi routin sinc run for long joystick circuitri written eyal lebedinski eyal is canberra edu includ stdio includ stdlib includ conio extern int readjoi int int int int defin joyport defin xjoi for joystick us defin yjoi for joystick us defin xymask xjoi yjoi defin for joystick us defin for joystick us int return readjoi int int int int regist int count regist char temp joi temp char xymask count outp joyport set trigger temp joi char inp joyport temp xjoi count temp yjoi count count temp joi xymask joi joi return count thi main for demonstr int main int printf hit kei exit kbhit readjoi printf
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	for larg mono color vga monitor for monitor larger that and card guess prefer and mono becuas lower price email brand model condit and ask price includ thi messag for refer alavi ssa uniti ncsu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mitsumi rom driver fix for qemm you faith mitsumi rom owner notic qemm can load you rom driver high ain bitch you can call quarterdeck bb and hold driver that can load high don test and work great small nose loos girl nippl iczer curl gerard pinzon gpinzon tasha poli edu join eca wehrmacht kill
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	lead edg comput bui comput store and want thi good comput wrong switch motherboard thi comput becom slow thi lead edg comput will difficult find motherboard that will fit thi comput will greatli appreci lead edg model intel mhz cpu support intel overdr clock doubl processor thi upgrad ram upgrad intern cach disk drive hard drive vga video resolut video ram color bit isa expans slot local bu socket bit isa compat drive bai extern pin centron type parallel port serial port pin pin analog video connector compat mous port watt power suppli kei keyboard and mous includ softwar includ window do microsoft work for window store monitor for thi good price nicol bell templ univers philli mail address astro oci templ edu prodigi jpkn you not part solut you part precipit steven wright
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	adaptec problem configur gatewai micron isa ram id drive id drive adaptec scsi control scsi bio enabl seagat scsi drive alrighti boot adaptec bio messag drive instal drive instal adaptec scsi bio not instal and can seagat drive into phoenixbio setup remov entri for drive and boom can access seagat two id drive and seagat time aspi do sy hang system brian
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive glang slee srl ford gordon lang write david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive optim comput boot check order for bootabl disk switch cabl and simpli switch drive that can boot disk that boot won trick for davebo had issu plagu for month gatewai final tire perman interchang drive reason didn place had bootabl and base instal disk expect drive order softwar and upgrad and number stupid instal program that can handl altern drive declin time had upgrad and for bootabl cut replac switch drive not option you wire drive switch your comput chasi haven work long wire carefulli thi us relai radio shack pdt huge switch thi relai break drive will work work fine you chang cmo drive switch will work correctli for program roger pao gordiu bagdad mt rpao rpao mt mivj
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	jumper set for microsci time thi inform microsci hard drive and set jumper and for master slave configur will gladli accept info sit room collect dust wait for instal huge applic advanc and regulari check id harddisk spec that post adam cheal rick ubc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	lead edg comput bui articl apr cronkit oci templ edu astro oci templ edu ci sec spr write comput store and want thi good comput wrong stuff delet lead edg model intel mhz cpu support intel overdr clock doubl processor thi upgrad ram upgrad intern cach disk drive hard drive vga video resolut video ram color bit isa expans slot local bu socket bit isa compat drive bai extern pin centron type parallel port serial port pin pin analog video connector compat mous port watt power suppli kei keyboard and mous includ softwar includ window do microsoft work for window store monitor for thi good price recent bought lead edg mini tower case and work fine lead edg decent brand and not tend that decent deal thing you want wari that comput back plane mount motherboard motherboard card that can plug backplan peopl don configur second thing that set comput factori didn instal window video driver didn even advantag svga card monitor forward configur system optim coat hanger brain itch impster umcc ai org turnip rever and charl budensiek worship deserv you want
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	esdi id articl apr monu monash edu el fawlti eng monash edu chow write articl qegfd dqi wsini info win tue monti wsini info win tue guido leender write us esdi control hdd togeth id harddisk control isa system read stuff secondari control thi trick work advanc guido monti win tue question guido us esdi drive master and id drive slave can definitili that you can us rll master and id slave upgrad machin id and custom control mdl extend id control maintain rll wren master drive trick control support id drive coexist exist control mfm rll esdi scsi document work esdi and can assur you work rll bruce powel email bss brucep seqeb gov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	adaptec problem lioness mapl circa ufl edu wrote configur gatewai micron isa ram id drive id drive adaptec scsi control scsi bio enabl seagat scsi drive alrighti boot adaptec bio messag drive instal drive instal adaptec scsi bio not instal and can seagat drive into phoenixbio setup remov entri for drive and boom can access seagat two id drive and seagat time aspi do sy hang system brian simpl answer memori serv scsi bio will work second drive built drive id instal and scsi bio run will instal drive two drive can solut simpl us aspi do devic driver and disabl scsi bio useless your case work champ similar situat good luck gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	grayscal displai quick comput shopper gave compani that sell monochrom monitor for compat cornerston technolog digit technolog hardwar that fit ibm ikegami imag system nanao radiu ran ger technolog sampo samsung sigma design singl scan monitor useless for user post request for inform newsgroup fruitless manag track two multisync grayscal monitor rang and into and will post result info into group purchas aniel thumim dthumim mit edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tseng lab video card problem tseng lab video card that problem super vga mode checkit report video page frame address error page frame thi mean and can thi fix card
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	parallel port can inform us direct printer port successfulli us toshiba laptop enabl bit port and control bit port for direct data flow for output for input code not work desktop machin heard that us bit port thi not work for parallel port id super card and run tape backup unit parallel scsi convert pretti that printer port direct inform greatli appreasi post repli email internet rick cabsav vut edu richard muratti origin custom program bb
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ibm teac nation new group success replac friend origin ibm floppi disk normal teac drive identifi power suppli pin and short pin switch and insert pullup resistor pin and comput doesn complain miss light stai time drive spin insert disk can access teac work fine normal point miss you volkmar volkmar grote stollmann
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want isa mous port high interrupt sound card interrupt two serial port for modem for miracl piano and printer port run low interrupt mous port interrupt interrupt mous port isa comput call technic support microsoft logitech ati check interrupt mous port ati video card can us and interrupt card lower board for isa bu will mous port even serial port high interrupt loran yourk lyourk ihlpm att
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can write floppi articl qndvd jhn usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu andi nicola write previou articl limagen hpwala wal you expert answer quick machin floppi unabl write format disk machin claim that disk write protect not note read problem mail post disk not type disk extra hole case opposit normal write protect hole drive will not write disk you can punch similar hole handi bui small devic squar hole puncher for back page comput shopper magazin for make hole you can write andi nicola you write disk make hole stig
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	compaq configur compaq owner friend mine compaq portabl iii and lost manual and diskett get machin equip definit cmo memori configur machin that byte incorrectli set that compaq byte defin not ibm compat machin you compaq diagnost diskett and thi need can reach quickli compaq dealer email document configur softwar heikki haldr mail hhaldr sune stacken kth hhaldr park tartu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	alr proveisa experi alr proveisa system interest hear your impress and alr gener you mark winqwk mark seltzer ravina cre toronto ont canada rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want isa mous port high interrupt lyourk cbnewsc att loran yourk write sound card interrupt two serial port for modem for miracl piano and printer port run low interrupt mous port interrupt interrupt mous port isa comput call technic support microsoft logitech ati check interrupt mous port ati video card can us and interrupt card lower board for isa bu will mous port even serial port high interrupt put irq for your port irq hardwar will automag wrap irq irq class machin high irq thi set irq irq address thi softwar irq soundblast irq lpt irq and ati busmous port interrupt work great you even text file float that detail hack serial card and work higher irq basic involv cut trace low irq and run wire high irq pin bit expans bu will put modem port irq thi will irq servic system give modem respons handi multitask run problem justin jdolsk andi bgsu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa limit rpao mt mivj write articl mt mivj marka ssd csd harri mark ashlei write writer claim that glitch can occur system that limit that part don understand ram motherboard cpu problem talk ram can explain thi floppi serv dma motherboard and origin dma control can reach address space isa bu joerg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want subject email skcgoh tartaru uwa edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	swap boot drive machin drive and drive want swap drive tia david todd depart psycholog univers massachusett amherst usa phone david todd psych umass edu fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want advic comment build month intend build system for remot monitor comment advic you choic motherboard hdd and board recommend for good compani sell big peter green peter green tel fax janet prg mcc nessi internet prg nessi mcc includ std disclaim
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner spec can send conner harddisk specif cyl and intrest time valu precomp etc heikki haldr internet hhaldr sune stacken kth
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hint vlb isa eisa motherboard bui companion brand vlb isa eisa motherboard hint chipset had experi thi board good bad inform help brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel art govern sooner learn helser halst that drain monei pocket am peopl colleg student adam smith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	detect mous hardwar level writ program that check comput for configur run everytim comput boot campu network run not get info want want check for mous check for mous driver code microsoft mous book guarante that driver load program run that load driver sinc interest hardwar attach machin detect mous attach can mous driver can advanc andi andi berkvam wholli dead wisconsin steven point blow dead man ember cleveland freenet and live flame will start internet aberkvam spu uwsp edu robert grave
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl ucdavi edu rocki ucdavi edu great randal write can explain fairli simpl term scsi control id will perform suffer that for drive don tape drive rom appreci richard randal hamlet ucdavi edu multi task comput you cpu power you had and that overlap overlap your cpu can continu disk oper underwai overlap your cpu sit idli wait for each disk oper finish and disk oper etern compar fast cpu you multi task you want increas perform increas amount overlap you dma bu master make for devic move data into and memori interrupt cpu altern for cpu move data scsi interfac card that dma and bu master id defin standard interfac creat for ibm requir cpu move data byte dma richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write articl kvinnndk dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write point view scsi advantag come multi task data data and anywher drive can scsi find faster can drive and into comput faster cach system thought scsi good manag data bu multipl devic attach talk singl drive explain scsi inher faster manag data hard drive adaptec seri us bu master thi mean that cpu doesn sit wait for data byte can and comput you advanc multi task that do sit and wait id integr devic electron common standard and us for medium size drive can hard drive asynchron transfer max don you start spec sheet isa bu you can quot scsi spec till you blue face exce isa bu capabl point id limit meg sec vlb id perform don you start spec sheet isa bu id design plug into isa virtual unaid essenc id isa ribbon cabl spec isa mhz clock bit width sec thi conclud that id bu wast fast slot card job slow bu transact isa speed heck that isa slot us richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl hcx ssd csd harri marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write huge softwar packag and file that produc id longer suffici for limit list seagat id hard drive second rumor microsoft recogn import scsi and will support not do win window support scsi varieti adapt for disk tape and rom richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write articl wayn amtow spacecoast org wayn amtow spacecoast orgx newssoftwar grn mike schwartz michael smith write want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive scsi control that transfer data dma cpu request data hard drive and continu work control get data and move memori id dma techniqu floppi control dma and board us dma dma big deal and noth directli scsi id not dma thi hard disk interfac control move sector buffer memori control card cpu move data buffer main memori need id doesn work thi not compat heck id us dma you hear kind complaint isa bu system ram not work id drive dma address limit isa bu and id dma troubl btw dma enabl signal id cabl spec last report heard that never implement requir kind id adapt and driver richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	nec printer question pick second hand color option for nec pin dot matrix printer ala instal instruct total confus won remov actaual print head almost fit not quit info appreci jon chopin udel edu for cent eutsch pai dollar
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive articl khan nova khan nova gmi edu mohammad razi khan write glang slee srl ford gordon lang write david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive intermedi repli suggest cabl switch delet ami bio poke bio haven thi boot assum that you slip althoug haven and don mess your cmo you your hate burst your bubbl you cannot slip that ami bio set that set you set boot order floppi respect primari check check gordon lang mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu regard paul yee yee nimio eng mcmaster
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner question configur thi drive slave model repli mail jeff electron prefer hole for mutual annhili boycott sierra ignor purport window user support maker hardwar and softwar bui canadian music quit smoke run synthesi cga audio jk ritvax isc rit edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	perfect mag monitor articl apr brtph bnr adcock bnr doug adcock write intent mag thread wait for mine arriv mail lot complaint minor align problem articl contain comment that owner call factori and told that screen rotat spec that figur for imag rotat high nec spec call for greater monitor arriv last night and notic barrel distort not dramat and notic imag doesn fill entir screen fact that wors side doesn matter find minor imperfect norm monitor perfect don want send back and even wors problem factori thi kind thing normal and ship monitor perfect align can speak for mag innovis nec concern adjust factori spec leav central usa distribut point for eastern canadian market kei nec that monitor adjust sensit ship distanc bump rough handl and such and expect and theori requir that local distributor not dealer adjust local servic centr bull inform system toronto sale thi correct and chanc receiv perfect monitor definit perfect depend picki case quit netter live kind imperfect for not will accept consid substandard monitor and two month wrangl and direct contact nec final receiv satisfactorili adjust monitor not perfect imho major improv dealer and distributor convinc normal short answer don accept imperfect normal for premium pai for larger screen monitor expect higher qualiti and you persist you receiv comment and opinion mine not bnr doug adcock adcock bnr bell northern research research triangl park regard paul yee yee nimio eng mcmaster
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	upgrad modem tandon type modem that info apart fact that black info thi modem upgrad repli mail cdw dc chri mail cdw dc walton cplab tel weekend write romero place edinburgh finagl fourth law onc job foul improv make wors chri mail cdw dc walton cplab tel weekend write romero place edinburgh
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi richk grebyn richard krehbiel write stuff connect id and ida deleat mhz clock bit width sec id speed come ida sight for id come scsi not complex industri and talk kei differ scsi control chip port and softwar that scsi thi stand point scsi asynchron and synchron mode softwar scsi driver asynchron slower synchron mode synchron speed can reach scsi divic rewrit softwar driver case for mac quadra scsi bit thi main sourc for confus thi differ scsi control chip machin mac and pc thi call fast scsi scsi port and softwar driver and can produc scsi speed scsi inspit thi even slower asynchron mode averag speed asynchron scsi mode quadra and higher end pc synchron mode higher burst rate scsi bit two version wide fast wide scsi requir two thing bit scsi scsi softwar driver and wide scsi port machin and extern devic fast scsi requir two thing bit scsi scsi driver softwar and that reciev devis support bit fast scsi speed burst scsi bit wide and fast scsi bit scsi thi requir scsi driver softwar wide scsi port and that reciev devic bit mode scsi chip expect thi expenc speed burst simpl version scsi seper softwar control chip and port standar softwar and drop version scsi seper hardwar chip and port
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	pentium previou articl rrn cwru edu robert novitskei qestion for you will upcom pentium system compat current simm and vlb card info help plunk hardwar bob depend motherboard impliment will make vlb motherboard that take simm and pentium processor that will motherboard that won
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	trident and lot enquiri and compat gener softwar hardwar orient wrong newsgroup claim happen board jumper detail for trident svga graphic card even dip switch end mine work fine albeit slow and blown monitor found switch control interlac interlac facil curiou dip switch card apparantli us secondli commodor had craze design motherboard respect ram can suppli pin detail for expans port for bit even sampl circuit irq button press yeah piec cake lazi softwar wise care divulg tip access expand ram program written turbo for instanc farcoreleft and coreleft return memori base combin emm etc etc want us ram and boundari not whether farmalloc suspect not half brain wit creat do not entrant follow comment us do call do interrupt will chang stack size entri us two articl read subject conflict view view write direct screen memori term portabl gotta bar close cheer ian
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hand scanner want fellow netter market for hand scanner don ey two choic dexxa thi scanner wal mart for includ graywork softwar and dpi and grayscal ocr softwar catchword mail order for mustek grai artist for window thi scanner offer grayscal cad graphic and dpi for mail order and come perceiv ocr and pictur publish geniu hand scanner cad graphic basic mustek scanner for resolut dpi and price basic recommend bui heard that logitech make and manufactur dexxa scanner bui dpi help output laserjet iii canon lean mustek offer featur and middl term price bui you hand scanner whether not you recommend you anoth scanner price rang that deal mail and greatli appreci kevin harter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive articl apr mcshub dcss mcmaster yee nimio eng mcmaster paul yee write articl khan nova khan nova gmi edu mohammad razi khan write glang slee srl ford gordon lang write david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive intermedi repli suggest cabl switch delet heard boot zip exactli you want touch check archi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mitsubishi hard drive mitsubishi hard drive rll mfm that storag and will not format suspect that switch set move movement drive place anoth switch set for thi drive switch and switch that select drive number you info thi drive number can call configur email cyl head and type advanc chuck brown charl brown brown galoi nscf org univers brown moe coe uga edu augusta georgia cbrowni ei calstat edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor rgb sync vga scanlonm rimail interlan michael scanlon write don thi obviou question can current batch window acceler card diamond etc us drive monitor rgb and horizont and vertic sync bnc jack altogeth connector back ahold raster technolog monitor cheap and wonder connect adapt rgb vga gatewai driver etc mike scanlon repli scanlon interlan you monitor cabl that vga connector end and bnc connector bought nanao bought nanao monitor us bnc connector check comput store that sell good monitor quit compani us that setup
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape backup question articl apr sol ctr columbia edu jerri msi jerri shekhel write folk archiv intern qic tape drive pretti compar colorado jumbo sinc two floppi drive system small card not acceler made archiv attach tape drive floppi devic problem do base qicstream softwar work fine norton and central point backup program for window fail switch machin turbo speed eisa sinc do softwar work can hardwar problem can similar problem solut advanc yeah sound typic window make sort extra demand hardwar and your machin can thing notic acess floppi window slow crawl imagin your backup and evertyh that run fight for cpu time and sometim backup program lose glad can even run medium speed backup machin supposedli scsi machin place extra demand data bu don
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl qslf access digex net rash access digex wayn rash write review nanao releas differ and bui gatewai system and upgrad mike yang silicon graphic inc mikei sgi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner spec sune stacken kth hhaldr stacken kth heikki haldr write can send conner harddisk specif cyl and intrest time valu precomp etc heikki haldr internet hhaldr sune stacken kth conner peripher number touch tone voic respons data bank give info you call directori assisatnc and for phone number conner peripher you you dannyb panix usual disclaim appli
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	kinda batteri proud owner ibm batteri hook into jumper info can replac voltag suggest for replac can respond grisch uceng edu georg
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai telepath modem get bi had gatewai telepath modem for month had that wouldn connect matter softwar us thi connect favorit new system problem somewhat happier cannot connect favorit do bb kind reliabl success call not good hope that fact that thi can connect fave place mean adjust fast stream garbag modem respons line dial window sometim will drop full screen mode screen garbag case modem time connect and drop carrier default set and get thi problem autoconfigur set that gatewai suppli copi qmodem atw and get thi problem refus thi claim bb that not work modem connect thi place fine factori set microcom idea waco updat ohio prison updat bosnia updat russian updat abort updat and congression updat snn standoff new network new standoff dai daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl geh utdalla edu goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write yeah read anoth newsgroup that high qualiti trinitron tube monitor soni for exampl and thi extra cost come high bandwidth come and fantast imag and larg imag size etc etc agre that imag sharp get soni tube monitor tube annoi black line top and bottom quarter tube creat due wire hold invar shadow mask quit annoi that thing that make lean favor nec nec fge differ accucolor experi opinion peopl us nec appreci sinc want exam week toni toni gerardi mcgill univers comput scienc prefer account sun rel gerardi mcgill you older and shorter breath and dai tgerardi nyx edu closer death floyd gerardi musoc bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	quantum cach work quantum lp suppos cach id control built into card do dir command system disk access can hear mechan movement head thi happen strang even smartdriv instal dir command access disk activ cach thi happen each two machin lp drive will est internet west netcom
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rockwel chipset for good articl camelot camelot bradlei edu joe zbiciak write word chipset thi rom bug specif specif brand rockwel rockwel chipset assort firmwar problem that pretti expect fax modem talk fax modem revis pretti oblivi current firmwar problem you can you stai clear board rockwel mpu oppos dpu for intern implement thi mpu us speed buffer interfac interfac number interrupt and drop multitask condit window speed buffer work for extern modem us intern serial port board hope thi help tom tom barrett tdbear engin tom barrett amd amd pcd ben white austin don hold don leav chanc tasmin archer view and not compani origin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor mitsubishi review nanao releas last year for issu window review you spec for thi monitor chang you
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cach micron eisa vlb motherboard articl apr new indiana edu mohammad ansari alansari mango uc indiana edu clip process purchas eisa bu comput clip ar and us cach motherboard that brand motherboard opti chip set micron edg technolog and us micron eisa vlb motherboard clip input thi micron machin clear choic posit neg compani heard cach motherboard micron micron motherboard etc advanc for inform mohammad ansari back your vendor board manufactur and info made norton index yeah bm suck what mother number slot and type esia and bit id scsi board easi upgrad ram locat and pin overdr oscil kit uart bio make you feel system agre that ar dai tech and year warranti encourag terri clark tclark umaxc uiowa edu you want opinion you don pai for opinion
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	eisa read develop eisa time ago dismiss light intens interest vesa and pci recent dishearten hear that isa cannot address ram limit that will hit recal that eisa will support bit transfer enhanc such standard develop bing bing zinc cchem berkelei edu univers california berkelei
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl richk apr gozer grebyn richk grebyn richard krehbiel write can explain fairli simpl term scsi control id will perform suffer that for drive don tape drive rom appreci you multi task you want increas perform increas amount overlap you dma bu master make for devic move data into and memori interrupt cpu altern for cpu move data scsi interfac card that dma and bu master you bu master isa bu id defin standard interfac creat for ibm requir cpu move data byte dma talk isa bu you can dma channel activ time transfer data singl devic even you can devic scsi bu explain devic can dma transfer singl scsi card isa bu time track copi ibm refer book technic manual page fdd adapt buffer bu and system board direct memori access dma for record data transfer expect similar for hdd adapt lowli low densiti origin fdd card us dma and hdd control doesn that make real sens
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	find comm port irq and hamilton romulu eh uiuc edu wayn hamilton write friend mine recent such serial card verifi detail recal paid made stb port and support irq addit convent last had troubl find comm softwar that overrid standard irq assign lot such softwar find case that major softwar that bad thi regard commerci softwar commerci packag poorli written program do crap such print command tsr that lock your system for long period time printer full clock tick back comm softwar find success telix work telix phil howard pdh netcom wgn spell protect wing conserv capitalist separ you your monei left wing liber gooder separ you
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scan rate font size thi past winter found spend ridicul amout time front comput sinc ey berserk decid shell monei upgrad monitor run ey grate find smaller font ey strain had thi kind experi thought that small font culprit that flicker real problem comment alec lee ale edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	eisa articl agat berkelei edu bing zinc cchem berkelei edu bing write read develop eisa time ago dismiss light intens interest vesa and pci recent dishearten hear that isa cannot address ram limit that will hit recal that eisa will support bit transfer enhanc such standard develop possibl backward compat isa bu tripe that current eisa implement pci bu will bit mhz intellig bu bu control take care interrupt and not jumper hopefulli amiga zorro iii bu bu bit hack for like toodlepip marc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	upgrad need forgiv thi faq sourc thi kind info station dimens and think upgrad station power suppli two floppi disk drive and big case soni monitor syquest drive mac and rom reader mac for question motherboard thi dimens that us case origin owen control for floppi drive and hard disk remov can us control devic pai for control won work can make syquest scsi and rom scsi work thi station heard that cheap sound board that scsi control built qualiti thi board scsi control cost ftp site that syquest driver rom driver for can hook want motherboard sound board make mpc qualiti station cost that worth hussl bui station btw bui keyboard for input you peter liu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck articl apr kosman kevin kosman kevin gorman write date stuck run do menu system aliv time machin left run time suddenli date longer roll time accur allwai chang date hand morn thi involv exit menu system do slightest idea thi even clue whether hardwar batteri cmo do broken bet suddenli start stick you start leav run menu night limit bug date roll softwar that mean you wait for keyboard input do call bio call menu us code updat date midnight never get call correct detail case mi rememb you chang menu program you sourc add tsr system patch cmo clock time fact second dai do clock mark aitchison univers canterburi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	netwar server and sft netwar level serialis fact netwar server roughli move locat and left power for month memori hard drive manual and origin disk for sft netwar level power cmo wipe technician examin and pronounc disk drive unus investig that drive type cylind side cmo set thi compsurf run happili bad block us prepar hotfix intern drive instal will proce successfulli boot server report that softwar not serialis for thi hardwar intern examin that keycard present and disk drive larg singl unit attempt configur second drive cmo result drive not readi error question softwar netwar level and can burnt screen sft netwar level configur netwar for level mirror duplex disk requir second disk novel server configur can instal sft netwar level level thi caus serialis error novel server equip two hard drive fail thi mean can not instal network softwar will not serialis for thi hardwar fail drive can serialis error happen keycard fail wrong can knowledg offer comment and guid for your time apolog that post thi request somewhat wide deal somewhat archaic hardwar and softwar hope that cast net like captur met thi system can justifi group post feel free correct you feel thi inappropri place post thi thi post definit bljeghb chugh vaj blhegh wayn mcdougal keeper list show star trek auckland festiv mission april chang mind evid method you us
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem printer and emm ex recent decid emm ex for memori manag and print printer lpt word wouldn work send linefe for top margin and printer readi light and stop work disabl emm ex and problem continu emm ex greatli comment suggest send arthur washingt arthur washington edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set don conflict technic lpt not us irq parallel printer processor actual number escap contain printer control regist enabl chip transmit interrupt interrupt control irq main processor int default parallel printer processor not enabl interrupt line int will sourc printer control chip enabl devic us actual irq note thi appli port default not rout interrupt system bu softwar enabl thi featur make monitor port activ easier poll serial uart get sound card slighti confus window stori
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem and noisi line problem cheapo bp modem us connect univers garbag screen nois line can hear question will error correct protocol elimin thi garbag modem doesn hardwar can softwar implement protocol trick juan carlo leon jleon scf usc edu jcleon uc usc edu electr comput major univers comput servic univers southern california lo angel
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck can imagin leav comput time start leav your light radio and hous time nut gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tonight determin thi mhz chip accru you call intel number and gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor reali hear that nanao monitor that drive diamond speedstar set run khz output mode and reali drive hell monitor wounder nanao fall apart poor low capabl soni drive ball sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	perfect mag monitor articl last tamut tamu edu rithea hong newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar subject perfect mag monitor date sat apr friend mine mag model and had distrot back replac distort bet common problem advic heard bui monnitor specif you will bui oppos model sinc monitor manufactur even big name produc alot monitor visibl defect rithea hong tamut tamu edu end file press return quit name two top list crap monitor maker soni magnavox sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	multiport board info need port board for pc want standard port mention expens coprocess share irq us irq for info
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa bu pin question diamond speedstar speedstar for system boot problem your system fail boot proprtli pull jumper block thi will not affect proform speedstar thi manual never knew that card real kicker book beat hell junk soni point that can even us mode sam time upgrag turn big overkil drive soni that monitor can handl instal simm and find that your mother board doesn cmo wait state adjust advantag simm that you bought gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	philip monitor opinion philip monitor compar nanao for good net er and found good price for philip spec soni trinitron tube digit micro control displai area refresh anti glare mpr auto scan khz don thi monitor for sale compani apr comput shopper price for thi and bout that mag love mag for that color align thing edg brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel art govern sooner learn helser halst that drain monei pocket am peopl colleg student adam smith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	wangtek tape control card revis address irq want wangtek tape control card revis that us syto backup system backup friend system that system crash and attempt restor document for thi ancient card lost mist time and dma irq and address for thi card can suggest determin thing bank dip switch card set upupup upupup upup upup open for your time thi post definit bljeghb chugh vaj blhegh wayn mcdougal keeper list show star trek auckland festiv mission april chang mind evid method you us
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sound blaster machin sound blaster machin give your equival pro stereo digit sound creativ lab price pro price equal suppos you set address and dma channel thi dma channel share hype share and hardisk dma channel esoter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck bsardi netcom barri sardi write kevin kosman kevin gorman write date stuck run do menu system aliv time machin left run time suddenli date longer roll time accur allwai chang date hand morn thi involv exit menu system do start notic thing run do and win can fix window control panel time date clock run minut onc hear that order for date advanc clock make date system call appar clock hardwar interrupt and bio don thi date advanc automat date call notic that midnight reset flag set and advanc date info john bongiovanni system analyst orbit engin compani perth australia oecjtb oec orbit dialix bongo alumni caltech edu opinion express and not organis
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tseng card vlb card hai dai bui motherboard local bu se come cirru logic vlb card ram onboard can true color don type card read that cirru logic card aren exactli fast system had tseng pretti pleas bui tseng card thing speed perform do window unix graphic text compar card for exampl resolut includ color support text graphic ram can instal and type ram compat tseng support softwar experi thi card good bad you altern for peopl holland kan iemand misschien vertellen waar nederland verkrijg het liefst omgev van amsterdam advanc erik stel estel
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	internet thi isn exact place put thi desper home for summer and wont direct access vax account problem servic that doesn charg bodi part vital organ born son that access internet telnet school account and can will greatli appreci mail dfmorgan ac hard edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck articl qte usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu sam latonia write can imagin leav comput time start leav your light radio and hous time nut comput special case and pretti good idea leav cuz everytim you turn comput you put surg electr delic compon imagin you turn your comput time dai you increas chanc damag chip memori etc compon your comput you save cent and electr bill won come time fix your comput worth ngo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	digit tablet question rithea hong tamut tamu edu wrote market for small digit tablet and comment main name calcomp summagraph and kurta major differ prefer for and avoid for input you can provid rithea hong tamut tamu edu vill walveranta tel fax linda av apt finland oakland fax automat recogn usa email wil shell portal
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	comput get lock weird thing happen comput get lock stop instanc reason whatsov edit and get lock prompt occur happen almost onc time connect comput slight idea wrong us ctrl alt del that respons turn and back will appreci mail sometim can access thi servic enriqu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi do netter question scsi do scsi control and two hard disk conect and connect scsi streamer don softwar access such beast exist sharewar want disk that do can two two physic and logic disk will us extra disk advanc hojm euromax dansk data elektronik vejl branch denmark telephon int fax int mail ibh dde
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi vlb busmast slow your system articl apr mnemosyn edu smace nyx edu scott mace write you happen you hook busmast control vesa local bu slow your system you don beliv busmast and vlbu pick back issu week whihc test vlbu eisa and isa busmast card vlb busmast bad stop processor fetch extern cach main memori vlb card bu signific slow effect
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rom drive recommend purchas rom drive spec applic kodak multisess photo scsi interfac compat adaptec not caddi cheaper doubl speed drive satisfi condit your opinion condit sort prioriti nec cdr bit expens satisfi almost condit problem that not compat succeed connect nec drive heard rumor that nec drive incompat adapt suggest greatli appreci advanc kobayashi masaoki masaoki tky
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	atari mono and vga succed convert atari monomchrom monitor into mono vga monitor exactli you and graphic card you us max brant max tdb institutionen teknisk databehandl uppsala universitet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need articl jester gun michael jester gun michael gerhard write holli macc mcmaster wrote western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive jumper us drive conner xxx jumper set drive alon drive master drive slave western digit will hve mark put jumper print circuitri underkneth hope help had problem bye daze oharad wanda waiariki michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	weitek futur plan articl apr jetsun weitek robert weitek robert plamondon write articl pinn uniko uni koblenz hodgen ozzi uni koblenz wayn hodgen write sum acceler board vram true colour and fast vga side will bui funni can bui such product won mouth water todai hologram outta can wait co acceler card colour you mock such card will quickli odd thing comput industri that sinc you can wait and peopl wait forev peopl defer updat origin ibm for decad time come road peopl dump pc into garag haven replac afraid isn time bui gave comput wait differ current system and stuff big warrant chang for instanc upgrad eisa vlb board rsn perform differ linux great worthwhil time bui graphic card and scsi control bui card co fast driver for and vram weitek card will cheaper afford card arriv bui person system home disk subsystem larger monitor super fast graphic board you cpu board won case and mous come don that mous will bui dream product hit market gonna bui monei last year monitor memori ain disk and space left stai singl don smoke and you afford thi year wayn hodgen hodgen infko uni koblenz opinion intel uni koblenz unido infko hodgen keeper scroll rheinau voic defend net koblenz fax name root
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	card card motherboard carl christensen christen astro oci templ edu wrote thi dumbest question year piggyback expand slot motherboard bit usual case slot for and scanner card max hope that simpl solut exist adapt that turn not thi will work expand us low profil case slot stagger side card you can instal last slot and sidewai slot thi low profil case standard motherboard connector slot and expans card plug into guess you thi each end slot add even connector simpli track slot electron downsid your case won close for homebrew system that not problem don perform leav that discuss engin gerri georg good life school manag boston univ illeg immor fatten internet ggeorg ac edu item not compu erv compuserv categori cancer rat
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	partit tabl disappear comput won recognis disk reboot window crash grrr option restor lose data drive previous had partit not rememb exact set copi boot data disk tool rescu disk not want lose data id drive option gerri georg good life school manag boston univ illeg immor fatten internet ggeorg ac edu item not compu erv compuserv categori cancer rat
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	small for that small and doesn break apart you drop groud doesn graphic text will fine doesn fast will hope you stand pretti hard enviro break apart jumnp us outdoor rain and memori and convini load applic into that wrote floppi somekind writeabl cartridg that and can info atari portfolio can stand rain marco seirio real life mars caligula
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	faq question uart articl qjp binn fmsrl srl ford glang slee srl ford gordon lang write nation semiconductor don manufactur make equival chip not nation isn even origin that and argument direct nation previou post thi topic info you don origin sourc for seri and strongli suspect that develop can you that won bui uart made nation semiconductor jim includ std disclaim ial internet jim ial mythic graham ieee org icbm amateur radio ial zbb walton beach amtor selcal nial mail for inform kamterm host mode for kantron tnc
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	info font cartridg for laserjet for good add font cartridg for laserjet found magazin articl enginn and pacif data product maker cartridg for laserjet seri couldn find model name product suggest advanc hakamata atsushi soni corpor osaki technolog center
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	and differ clock frequenc differ type and processor list perhap can extend correct true bit processor cach emul bit bu true bit processor intern mathemat coprocessor correct intern cach correct big extend instruct set sorta sorta not lot peopl can add lot inform post email you prefer lar dal differ quantum email joedal dfi aau mechan and auto mechan physic student quantum mechan can car into univers aarhu garag open door denmark david kra
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive vga copi can you you creat floppi for your drive that turn modifi switch vga copi you boot thi diskett messag appear thi system disk you can replac disk anoth boot harddisk switch drive and reboot that becom becom type your choic you select item you can boot call work good for exampl boot drdo instal disk format problem for friend mine drive hope that help robert vga copi sharewar easi newest version robert fuhg haagstrass erlangen tel privat email rtfuhg cip informatik uni erlangen demnaechst erlangen war not for left robert fuhg haagstrass erlangen tel privat email rtfuhg cip informatik uni erlangen demnaechst erlangen war not for left
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write articl apr sol ctr columbia edu penev venezia rockefel edu write maxtor isa id control machin vlb save transfer rate variat isa bu speed test speed mhz and mhz not differ problem not interfac control and memori advic bui meg ram save and enjoi perform comput mhz bu isa mhz drive maxtor peopl vlb id want vlb bu speed us id drive want id drive can handl bu speed mhz recent bought micron vlb comput and local bu id card get transfer rate norton cale micron thi pathet slow and that norton doesn recogn local bu and won give accur result told norton order true account id transfer speed didn thi answer part drive doesn crank that don differ plai set cmo bu speed and notic signific chang perform fed frank shea learn skill frank shea that teach fa ultb isc rit edu hath fool for master rochest institut technolog ben franklin
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck jamesc netcom jame chuang write you leav your radio night not comput can even you not front do and windoz not schedul task not mean that comput hould shut night bet start morn mean good coffe break jamesc ask you god you addit startup time leav thing run doubl fax machin thi origin subject didn repli bio cmo and do clock date logic that run thi for month and recent last month that notic intermitt clock problem state not date that doesn roll forward sometim notic that clock minut unattend gener run minim win clock winfax pro print manag word file manag program manag random screen saver gener run barri sardi home lauri avenu offic san jose fax email bsardi netcom compuserv
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai boot floppi gatewai inch floppi drive accident discov that floppi box diskettet drive boot get system diskett messag machin hang and cmo get overwritten luckili gatewai send print standard cmo set system thi happen box pre format fuji disk that disk thi problem format fuji disk problem viru scan scan disk and found noth idea hardwar problem viru that can detect system read garbag boot sector tim king tcking uswnvg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bu hdd fdd control id hdd fdd control bui quantum lp hardisk and decid hdd fdd control bit bu hdd fdd control faster bit id hdd fdd control card hear that bu control slower id control true shed light email post lot regard beng hang tai telnet singapor network oper phone hewlett packard singapor pte fax depot road internet taybh hpsgm sgp singapor republ singapor
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	debug hardwar problem articl rslinnnv senat bedfellow mit edu jfc athena mit edu john carr write run linux eisa system and hardwar problem softwar don troubl advic debug thi symptom build gcc unpredict and unrepeat result sometim file not valid format recompil file valid binari sometim compil abort dump core work fine run input compil sourc file argument slight differ object file note that linux unlik system not put timestamp object file compil twice give bit ident result occasion filesystem corrupt scsi drive that caus develop softwar relat problem compil compil problem not caus disk problem result whether work id scsi disk set memori speed and cach write speed recommend valu recommend for do that junk suspect extern cach real evid for thi motherboard nice super eisa write back cach and mhz processor for system test program run do linux linux gcc fire gcc compil libc and kernel time run suggest problem bad memori bad motherboard bad cach suggest debug problem chang wait state ram turn turbo chang bu speed swap ram
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diff mous sy sanson wmich edu wrote differ load mous autoexec bat and devic mous sy config sy differ time driver get load mous sy will load config sy and therefor command mous will load autoexec bat and command mous start commandlin boot and perhap unload driver load work driver total ran do prefer load driver autoexec bat program won run driver and choos need startup drdo thi advantag drdo let you choos config sy driver load michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ten beep ami bio wayn nichol gwni troi rochest edu wrote motherboard ami bio multipl reboot beep and sit refer manual motherboard ami bio beep cmo shutdown regist read write error system stop beep system continu keyboard error michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	reboot problem usma usma edu tue apr receiv usma usma edu trotter usma edu smi eef tue apr edt receiv usma usma edu eef tue apr edt messag usma usma edu date tue apr edt usma usma edu peckham david cdt decster uta edu subject problem statu run unisi do problem even had do that emm load can ctl alt del comput beep time rapidli and hang us obscur reset requir screwdriv pencil power switch reboot solut thi problem mail usma usma edu dave dave david peckham internet usma usma edu militari academi jason brown decster uta edu fav player ruben sierra
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sound blaster midi process write number program for sound blaster cmf voic editor hopefulli can ftp site stage us midi port enter music and plai synth remot problem that info midi port sound blaster freedom project routin thi result port lock coupl access and loss note veloc data byte turbo and grate for info sourc fragment berlin thi summer book thi inform german poor thi book mail second request for concern standard file format can file format standard you secret file format for instrument bank file bnk and roland music file rol final sourc for displai pcx gif file ega vga monitor you make sens colin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	send null charact across ethernet question send null charact across ethernet connect actual problem that emac unix editior null charact for set mark and don that ibm pc across ethernet wonder anyboi keyboard combin for send null charact btw control shift ctrl not work saeid
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can set articl rajn cbnewsh att bnc cbnewsh att john siegel write unabl work diagnost program such msd show noth instal softwar option hardwar conflict and workaround for thi problemand rom system tower ati video card port set follow board coma irq extern devic intern modem irq dfio port card primari port irq mous board irq not work run thi boot disk command elimin softwar suggest call technic support john siegel bnc cbnewsh att ja hrolli att had thi problem time ago bios not automat instal port tabl program modem program write directli port work fine that bio call fail find bb ftp site you can copi port finder put devic sy your config sy run your autoexec bat thi program will locat exist port and make bio tabl updat work great will you swap port and such that you allen mulvei mulvei blurt oswego edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	advic select sound card advic netland select sound card bui sound card for kid don bui select list sound blaster miscrosoft sound card audio spectrum sound blaster pro sound blaster alloc budget you sound card select for kid opti nec cdrom that connect sound card you kent khioe juno jpl nasa gov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	funet artieb vnet ibm write post earlier that refer funet directori pub msdo log funet even find pub directori alon msdo directori can wrong perhap you nic funet funet nic funet biggest ftp site europ stuff site big pool perri egelm
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati build driver good articl fomu austin ibm larryhow austin ibm write stabl build driver peopl success instal and run build driver for week problem run window and softwar run work fine thi includ game and base multi media encyclopedia full motion video work fine recommend you give john john gayman wbu uunet wbu john packet wbu eah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gamecard mhz ram machin and find slow for game such wing comput store dai and seri gamecard claim speed your machin mhz wonder similar machin had bought gamecard and whether not work appreci advanc greg man li murder part world eggman
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit box gatewai thi gatewai aol mailer america onlin mailer pastor vfl paramax subject bit disk access date mon mar est messag aol statu jon bit access window you edit system ini enhanc section and add thi line bitdiskaccess thi will give you bitdiskaccess that you regard scot oehlerk kscooter gatewai
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	pc gatewai opinion sought thi beaten death thi forum bui gatewai will bui monitor heard neg stuff gatewai monitor heard tough technic support seek opinion whether not wise ahead base criteria such price warranti servic gener rugged system reliabl machin and gatewai and advis advanc vasudev murthi vasudev murthi opinion express strictli murthi asl nec and noth advanc switch lab nec america inc walnut hill lane irv
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	summari doubledisk gold netter promis summari opinion doubledisk gold peopl quit happi product opinion good compar industri leader stacker superstor pro not consid sinc slower stacker reliabl byte magazin conclus hard make decis stacker doubledisk gold that quit bui buddi christyono buddi optic ec wisc edu summari repli buddi not gold experi order last version pleas perform suggest you not compress softwar do compress discuss net that for you compress built into util that you pai for you do that mean you doubledisk cost for upgrad think and ask net decid that not wrong updat cost never suffer perform larg packag compress and uncompress format work great not delai arguement lot bunk compar perform forward loadhigh that annoy you stacker not worth effort upgrad regard mark bagdi buddi mailer week ago ddg and instal document opinion easi follow us automat instal not custom and smoothli specif instruct readm file for deal max qemm ddg uninstal unlik do you system hard drive instal ddg had free ddg had free pretti good statist that perman window swap file stai uncompress portion driver and such had problem whatsoev notic slowdown take longer boot window do happi camper bruce bruce steink never you bsteink dsd good piec rope softwar technic support engin sam gamge evan sutherland comput corp mail opinion doubledisk gold for month mhz seagat drive run do window enhanc mode ran test and conclud that speed doubledisk drive drive read cach equal bare drive cach complaint reliabl easi instal problem had castl wolfenstein assum game bypass do disk access and move game compress region disk sinc game never problem never damag doubledisk drive compress perform for disk held steadi thi lower expect size file compress imag file and larg zip file you specif question dan bought happi us mfm and id drive doubledisk gold that product msdo ship problem product ron bjornseth bjornset pogo den mmc end messag
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vlb bu master problem put togeth vesa local bu vlb card for video and scsi heard problem bu master control vlb effect that will slow system heard thi problem specif interest ultrastor vlb scsi control shell buck for thi thing straight scoop thi control problem bob kimbal rkimbal qualcomm
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit box gatewai articl apr hpcvca scott hpcvccl scott linn write plai gatewai local bu machin last night appar that window didn give option for bit access for virtual memori perman swap file and disk drive local bu interfac thi expect investig bit option appear you massag switch your system ini virtual memori section flip bitaccess switch and associ driver wdctl such switch thi will enabl bit access you can us not hard drive and control support for fast disk access throw windoz instal thi weekend incred final real for humbl tim
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati ultra nanao mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov keith mancu write refer run ati instal program and function posit size imag resolut thought thi neat featur notic that imag size scan frequenc necessarili chang thi digit multiscan monitor mag confus mode us frequenc get standard select for thi reason us factori default for posit size ati card and adjust each mode individu time monitor mag and multiscan monitor abil recal set time each mode detect edward mcclanahan edm wr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do two peopl horrer stori do that peopl do had reformat disk and start us standard instal program put do machin stacker instal problem stacker switch pleas memori gain sinc not memori manag multipl boot featur
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	null modem cabl interrest extrodinarili simpl concept null modem cabl idea don count that last statement ask pin us specif want solder bui don even port us kimmel vax cn muskingum edu kevin intend us cabl for transfer lap link telix idea and info gladli accept
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	kentucki fri cmo beat harde hei folk short your cmo chip mine fri symptom comput gatewai boot turn power disconnect batteri cmo chip turn power into setup get cmo configur error set cmo exit setup phoenix bio ignor diskett seek error and press comput boot hard drive access floppi drive not can back network and such reboot turn comput and repeat step simpli ctl alt del comput hang memori test thi sound cmo chip fri can bui anoth you for your kind attent john john lusth becton dickinson research center rtp usa jcl bdrc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want your opinion insight talon multimedia kit for you familiar insight distribut network inc and multimedia kit bui insight talon kit bundl rom drive access time dtr multispin multi session photo capabl etc and pa sound card etc you familiar insight you kit mean drive texel nec not clear part bundl two sale peopl couldn give straight answer drawback oem question excus ignor texel reput maker rom market you nec drive bottom line thi kit worth monei for and for altern think that overkil for want full multimedia capabl photo stuff educ program for kid etc and consid lower end kit and differ tape back drive unit basic hear us kit and pro con you advis prefer directli email address below koji koji kodama nippon motorola ryvg email sp mot note opinion express mine and not reflect opinion polici motorola inc affili
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hot cpu hot cpu machin get hot that can not hold finger for big fan blow heat sink advic chri kushmerick kushmer bnlux bnl gov found nich life didn fit
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl shlj er trc amoco zrdf trc amoco rusti foreman write viewson claim compar term price and qualiti displai interest viewson monitor flesh toni
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mount cpu cooler vertic case instal cpu clone motherboard and mount cpu cooler chip hour weight cooler dislodg cpu mount end bend pin cpu luckili power not end press cpu deepli into socket and put cpu cooler back good had thi problem you ensur that weight cpu fan and heatsink not eventu work cpu socket mount motherboard vertic case will est internet west netcom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hint vlb isa eisa motherboard articl ovwv lmo new iastat edu schauf iastat edu brian schaufenbuel write bui companion brand vlb isa eisa motherboard hint chipset had experi thi board good bad inform help brian schaufenbuel that eisa isa motherboard that hint chipset limit bit eisa dma real eisa dma bit hint eisa dma ram address limit isa for thi reason pass hawk eisa isa and ing replac for exactli thi reason doubl check thi word call motherboard manufactur and motherboard support true bit eisa dma thi limit motherboard work quit mine do window and unix adaptec eisa scsi host adapt gari korenek korenek nmti network manag technolog incorpor sugar land texa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set lpt disk control call devic devic that requir exclus interrupt ownership disk control and keyboard devic that not requir exclus ownership will share interrupt anoth devic lpt standard isa bu that almost laptop pc us two separ interfac card cannot share interrupt thi due screwup bu design for exampl your soundblast drive interrupt number hold bu wire time depend whether not interrupt thi preclud let anoth card assert interrupt number two devic isa bu share interrupt implement singl card andrew klossner andrew frip tek
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	zeo comput had zeo for coupl month experi not painless perfect that endur peopl person order gatewai gatewai buyer reward get free stuff gatewai can track hasn viper card defect zeo replac minor hassl thi work fine haven notic problem applic order complaint ati month ago guess you can choos buggi state art stuff robust averag stuff for configur tower watt suppli pkg monitor viper etc zeo slightli cheaper gatewai austin etc thi can chang month month mike
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ibm link imagewrit hook appl imagewrit ibm clone problem configur lpt port accept thi can you adjust baud pariti etc fit system mode not work can post mail abort retri format doctor give chainsaw trust scientist larri henson
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hot cpu christoph kushmerick kushmer bnlux bnl gov wrote hot cpu machin get hot that can not hold finger for recal that run close boil point water exact temperatur put cpu fan heat sink won hurt and depend paranoid you damien neil dpn cwru edu debug realiti case western reserv univers can quick patch and cmp eeap linux choic gnu gener erik green
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	orchid fahrenheit mini review articl apr adob sherwood adob geoffrei sherwood write modern trend orchid card support color mode driver thi break do program svga mode rom thi not case rom support vesa mode color vesa compliant applic troubl set mode forward your post softwar group case can care not that doubt that your applic fail run lot stuff depend figur exact svga and don us vesa call vesa pretti chip set confus support resolut annoi you can you driver you nec six monitor list gener and you choos gener you can high refresh you limit that hardwar support bandwidth can higher vertic resolut main reason bought card orchid vlb and will and and function ramdac speed not power fix problem you note list you interest text file re dat hold data choic monitor instal program built work analog you can build monitor definit that combin refresh rate for your monitor backup copi file onc you built version re dat file run instal program inst and your choic show thi assum you weitek driver you can rev number modif time driver version microsoft thi gimmick board faster that ofvlb for thing hercul speedi program thi program test oper and report result pixel second don number for graphit card close half ofvlb slower that run mhz isa number aren compar number obtain mhz air motherboard umc chipset memori give rang program report number comput and tend jump bit speedi benchmark put hercul and iit knowledg unencumb motiv make hercul graphit iit agx card good number ton salt texa instrument thing wintach make good compar care safer not safe us benchmark unbias sourc such test lab columnist etc interestingli solid vector and shade polygon show improv and hatch polygon fill cross hatch and ternari rop graphic oper xor dead loss you larg discrep result speedi and result univers thing give two number for font cach font drawn screen fairli slowli speed ofvlb speed increas dramat sound program benchmark font cach perfectli legitim optim window hook for built into gdi kind silli iit us hardwir quick brown fox jump lazi dog sat tack string driver not useless real applic lack program eleg bart simpson optim you save bitmap recent drawn string screen memori and screen screen bitblit you happen that string second time row call bart simpson optim bart person can benefit will not cheat benchmark hundr time and half time form each charact make claim that number mean ran comput don write disclaim thi time test total unconnect work program unix decstat complet knowledg bless equip compani don lawyer work for intel us lawyer montana didn di robert robert plamondon robert weitek pai attent man curtain great and gloriou spoken scene trade show
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati ultra pro and bit window driver work bought gatewai system meg ati ultra pro video card work fine for window driver for bit and and bit mode font and icon start deterior window startup and minut us screen total unintellig natur call gatewai tech support inquir thi technician ask driver and told version build told that and bit driver for ati ultra pro simpli not work thi true simpli amaz thi strang thing expect discuss subject made faq suspici point that that state that window acceler board work and bit driver for window easili challeng that run diamond bit mode home for month and test and us bit mode back and diamond work driver longer want had troubl and feedback will appreci system configur gatewai local bu meg ram scsi rom ultrastor local bu scsi control ati ultra pro local bu vram do window mach driver version build advanc ali vali reza magellan utexa edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem toshiba cdrom articl apr new columbia edu imj cunixa columbia edu imad jureidini write recent purchas toshiba cdrom adaptec scsi card and fail cdrom work do work that drive not faulti config sy aspi do sy aspidisk sy aspicd sy autoexec bat mscdex do mscdex find and instal drive drive switch that drive and dir error messag tell drive not readi that cdrom lock and adaptec util don recogn that cdrom that point had thi problem abviou that miss and final wonder thi setup kindli post config sy and autoexec bat aspi driver aspicd support norst paramt mean not reset scsi bu load thi fix problem friend mine adaptec tosh regard terj
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	volant warp board troubleshoot exist gener protect fault eisa vlb system thi point narrow problem video driver for volant warp adapt nation design inc find thi hard experi thi board robert moskal brooklyn usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa control card mhz local bu increas speed drive vesa id control card advic jimmi buddenberg internet jbuddenberg vax cn muskingum edu muskingum colleg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	dma system small problem sound blaster pro and game util that dma system mark brown
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	info diamond viper video card experi diamond viper vlb video card problem million color resolut vram thi color depth not support video bio version and driver version max color support and resolut vram color choic notic two minor irrit ndw entri list highlight such open menu and deselect faint vertic line remain left edg highlight rectangl us word for window you us shade tabl displai show invers shade for exampl you shade cell displai printout big killer bug borland integr develop environ problem occur you click turbo debugg icon us debugg option run command and debugg applic vga charact mode design screen haywir and larg unread turbo debugg displai garbl trial and error found that disrupt screen displai you alt spacebar letter thi instruct turbo debugg refresh screen and thi satisfactorili didn thi bug diamond driver disrupt behavior happen standard vga driver that come window video card that mishandl vga mode problem not monitor bug show us anoth monitor place usual thi video card and hope problem will remedi offer year warranti swh apr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	put thi dumb question put hard drive father mfm rll id hook comput geometri drive you set bio doubt that thought softwar control card id card for that didn come low level format onc comput assum drive format advthanks rob rxg ultb isc rit edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hai heard perform stat fabl wonder perform compar and pentium info help bob robert novitskei rrn cwru edu cwru cleve ohio comput engin and programm seek summer job
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can bui bio market upgrad bio phoenix hard disk discov bio doesn type and can purchas thing check motherboard manufactur for curiou mylex and hear figur prompt shop problem don shop for thi heard that bio special shop south bai and alleg that advertis microtim find microtim didn find shop can thi quest repli thi advanc jeff chan opinion jeff iko not iko netcom quit silli netcom iko jeff compani
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	turbo speed nic perciv nmp mfltd wrote deliveri mhz machin and nice queri landmark speed turbo mhz that not problem problem speed turbo mhz equival car term nice porsch button that turn into skateboard clue determin rel perform turbo turbo set give landmark speed mhz turbo cheer halv that turbo mhz
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	loopback connector made uwovax uwo wrote pin connect make loopback connector for serial port can build loopback connector us test serial port for steve skcgoh tartaru uwa edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hint vlb isa eisa motherboard articl xnfz nmti korenek nmti gari korenek write articl ovwv lmo new iastat edu schauf iastat edu brian schaufenbuel write bui companion brand vlb isa eisa motherboard hint chipset had experi thi board good bad inform help brian schaufenbuel that eisa isa motherboard that hint chipset limit bit eisa dma real eisa dma bit hint eisa dma ram address limit isa for thi reason pass hawk eisa isa and ing replac for exactli thi reason doubl check thi word call motherboard manufactur and motherboard support true bit eisa dma thi limit motherboard work quit mine do window and unix adaptec eisa scsi host adapt gari korenek korenek nmti network manag technolog incorpor sugar land texa you correct motherboard manufactur bui board that will thi problem fix two week brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel art govern sooner learn helser halst that drain monei pocket am peopl colleg student adam smith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floppi read wrote articl netxcom netx pdressn netxcom netx peter dressner write gatewai floppi drive read file wrote floppi floppi that format and file machin unread floppi that written thi defect floppi drive long time ago unread thi sound head align problem fix align screw that you can adjust thing you make that file floppi that you can read drive aren your anoth floppi you two floppi drive copi your and floppi your drive you don thi fix align problem you kissd file goodby you can misalign drive back read your floppi don count gener head align trust good repair shop dii guid nick fitzgerald applic consult csc uni canterburi fitzgerald csc canterburi tel fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai ethernet card driver need find devic driver for coupl older gatewai ethernet card don model number hand bnc connector and header connector for novel keycard instal node copi net that pick swap meet love lantast netwar lite poor colleg student and price repli email haven had lot time for new exam and such mike gordon loi mwgordon nyx edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	otron attach luggabl info need for info pcmade otron oltron call attach thi beauti luggabl inch screen monochrom cga and floppi for serial port connector labl printer and can figur pinout for don standard port address and figur that work do can give pointer thi appreci repli email can new final come you mike gordon loi mwgordon nyx edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hook irwin tape drive peopl respond post clear thing tape drive extern connector back male pin varieti result cannot easili find cost effect solut us drive advic will greatli appreci prefer email toni shan toni uiuc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	for sale sound blaster card hurri that soundblast card for sale sinc recent purchas sbpro card come complet mint condit box manual doc disk and origin packag make offer canadian inquiri prefer respond april mail acp ryevm ryerson
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati ultra pro and bit window driver work articl emx reza magellan utexa edu alireza vali write bought gatewai system meg ati ultra pro video card work fine for window driver for bit and and bit mode font and icon start deterior window startup and minut us screen total unintellig natur call gatewai tech support inquir thi technician ask driver and told version build told that and bit driver for ati ultra pro simpli not work thi true simpli amaz thi strang thing expect discuss subject made faq suspici point that that state that window acceler board work and bit driver for window easili challeng that run diamond bit mode home for month and test and us bit mode back and diamond work driver longer want had troubl and feedback will appreci system configur gatewai local bu meg ram scsi rom ultrastor local bu scsi control ati ultra pro local bu vram do window mach driver version build successfulli us and bit color mode gatewai system setup complic sound you hardwar conflict problem your memori apertur heard rumor incompat that scsi card varieti system call gatewai and give hell you fix dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvm utexa edu dcoleman ccwf utexa edu univers texa austin decnet utxvm dcoleman electr comput engin bitnet dcoleman utxvm bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bu hdd fdd control id hdd fdd control articl hpsgm sgp taybh hpsgm sgp beng hang tai write bui quantum lp hardisk and decid hdd fdd control bit bu hdd fdd control faster bit id hdd fdd control card bu id faster isa id id interfac fundament noth extens isa bu and you hook bu work fast slower two mean isa speed hear that bu control slower id control hand wouldn expect slower richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	identifi serial board multi port serial board unknown origin hope thi board even switch and jumber us for descript card bit card notic that contact bit extens connect chip socket and connect label extern femal connector pin bank switch bank switch and jumper that determin trace that and switch control interrupt level for each port for irq for irq and for irq switch meager abil follow identif print board multi serial port board across bottom box for serial number blank immedi below word serial not box left for number clue your greatli appreci dwayn stratsft wai make you scream dwayn bailei intel advertis strateg softwar june doctor dobb journal redford michigan
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	actix graphicsengin bought actix graphic engin meg not impress sort problem board lock up window problem screen not center flexibilti choos synch rate for monitor buggi window driver lack driver card mail ati ultra brad bach udel edu brad cain naf cain snow white udel edu univers delawar electr engin cain freezer cn udel edu blah blah blah alt blah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	drive won boot balog eniac sea upenn edu eric balog write recent switch drive problem can read and write and correctli can boot floppi check cmo set set for floppi seek boot and boot order onc had floppi that not system file messag tell put disk system disk drive didn work system disk drive thi happen power and memori test light come light come short beep light come for instant light come noth happen light disk activ kind and screen blank can even us ctrl alt del suggest you check set drive floppi set drive foppi cabl connect two drive control card can rememb two wire swap determin drive hope thi steve minyo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	simm and sipp need yuri atmo washington edu write simm and sipp price piec assum you talk meg simm meg sipp speed piec per week you that price fob port not wait for offer that price dream tiger wait for offer yuri yulaev av seattl home work fax internet yuri atmo washington edu beaver atmo washington edu yuri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	disk data compress and interleav experi report whether disk data compress effect optim disk sector interleav offhand expect that time requir decompress disk data increas optimum disk sector interleav alan hind
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	chain id drive set conner and quantum drive conner set master and quantum set slave doesn work access drive boot floppi drive will not boot run msdo and conner partit primari do and format system file type setup and even chang id control card boot floppi work great boot part system doesn report error messag hang suggest run into similar problem think that updat bio drive thi suggest answer greatli appreci repli jason badri badri ualberta
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write stuff delet lowli low densiti origin fdd card us dma and hdd control doesn that make real sens make reason amount sens fix disk sector buffer control and transfer memori rep insw instruct call quit effici singl instruct fast control cpu us bu sinc wasn cach bu like critic resourc rel cpu perform and that dma bu interfer loss cpu cycl for comput rep insw sequenc floppi hand not buffer that cpu for floppi data transfer stink walli bass
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck articl apr oec orbit dialix oecjtb oec orbit dialix john bongiovanni write stuff delet onc hear that order for date advanc clock make date system call appar clock hardwar interrupt and bio don thi date advanc automat date call notic that midnight reset flag set and advanc date info two problem bio tod routin updat bio clock bit for dai increment second wrap clock past midnight will lost call bio read clock meantim and bio reset dai wrap indic date call wrap indic set bio date call midnight do kernel part do increment date dai wrap indic lost guess that kevin menu system bio call read clock order displai time and entiti dai wrap indic lost even menu system notic dai wrap isn good do that do can updat dai menu system us do call time do kernel bio call and wrap indic process properli possibl menu system can easili us do call for time do not reentrant and perhap time increment ofter occur menu system insid do call walli bass
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id cabl bought id hard drive for system had problem thi system had id cabl for drive had bui cabl two drive connector and switch cabl problem hard drive manual refer match pin cabl pin drive and pin id card for life cannot figur plug cabl align secondli cabl connector two end and figur end control and two into drive matter plug into master drive and into slave appreci
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	sigma design doubl jap cwru edu joseph pellettier write for inform sigma design doubl board can figur that hardwar compress board that work autodoubl not thi cost had board for year and work diskdoubl not autodoubl due licens problem stac technolog owner board compress technolog write thi memori lost refer correct wrong board had problem file icon lost hard whether board fault decompress troubl file and recompress board icon reappear mention licens problem freewar expans util expand will not decompress board compress file you board instal sinc stac product that hole autodoubl diskdoubl relat board will fix sad and make reluct bui stac product sinc stinki hei that competit stan kerr comput commun servic offic illinoi urbana phone email stankerr uiuc edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	price drop month articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu nathaniel sammon write get don want appl come cyclon and tempest month and price drop system want negoti good deal supplier for and jump don want price drop smuther btw deal mous for deal that low end configur fpu oppos configur fpu you you get you bui you intend upgrad sunni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii vga monitor adapt real tough time find proper adapt us vga monitor ibm sold exact mac iii vendor call that intern video will not work true vga monitor will work ibm compat multisync soni nec monitor thought vga capabl lciii attract allow you us inexpens vga monitor confus vendor not speed us lciii multisync vga monitor and you your adapt specif vendor and cat prefer appl monitor for lciii unseemli finder insid ibm bezel monei save monitor lciii can afford and can rid charl kuehmann northwestern univers steel research group qman casbah acn nwu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	warn don break powerbook screen articl outpost bai org peirc outpost bai org michael peirc write surpris shouldn protect tarriff almost end hurt long run subsidi build strong economi isn wall tough world compet global market place and don come cry world doesn want plai hous rule that japanes local market neatli protect japanes govern tough nut crack fact current break into japanes compani partner ventur gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	advic tech work etc plan upgrad mac iisi present meg meg and add math coprocessor technolog work austin texa come quit highli recommend mac magazin wonder share tech work good and bad experi give advic mail order compani that your repli appreci advanc sincer peter choo choo sigma ec umass edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock problem had problem duo dock not eject duo properli duo come dock coupl inch eject and had pull rest nowadai and had system for month duo doesn come despit fact that mechan make nois and grab hold and pull simpl fix for thi return appl dealer will languish for week make colour displai vram floppi scsi etc btw not that duo lock into dock doesn want slide phil jimmieson comput scienc dept janet phil liv csc liverpool univers internet phil csc liv box liverpool head heel love cramp
comp.sys.mac.hardware	intern hd mac articl apr siemen kurt netzer kurt siemen write instal mac qunatum can pin cabl connector for intern motherboard scsi connector and scsi connector termin second will what power suppli can connect amp connector suppli connect anoth intern hard disk macintosh you can find space put iisi that quantum meg drive ran into space problem slap anoth meg quantum that had sit shelf concern space sinc drive quantum quarter height drive final decid that logic place for stack fine fit snugli not had problem heat and drive run togeth for two month problem connect drive you spare intern hard disk power cabl half your troubl splice extra cabl that you squar motherboard connector and two hard disk power connector you don spare cabl you will bui wire and connector can found good electron store for suggest properli solder heatshrink connect reduc possibl short bad connect you ribbon cabl connect had spare hard disk ribbon cabl and want care case thi didn word purchas crimp pin cabl connector that gave anoth male connector middl spare cabl part cost and easili attach good wood vice theori crimp connector that thi doesn work origin cabl not damag and can back origin setup that couldn bother check dev note for power consumpt plug and work charm thi dai mac work care drive and ensur that termin resistor drive intact not thi termin resistor logic that split scsi chain that signal termin end you question peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	intern hd mac articl apr siemen kurt netzer kurt siemen write instal mac qunatum can pin cabl connector for intern motherboard scsi connector and scsi connector termin second will what power suppli can connect amp connector suppli connect anoth intern hard disk macintosh you can find space put iisi that quantum meg drive ran into space problem slap anoth meg quantum that had sit shelf concern space sinc drive quantum quarter height drive final decid that logic place for stack fine fit snugli not had problem heat and drive run togeth for two month problem connect drive you spare intern hard disk power cabl half your troubl splice extra cabl that you squar motherboard connector and two hard disk power connector you don spare cabl you will bui wire and connector can found good electron store for suggest properli solder heatshrink connect reduc possibl short bad connect you ribbon cabl connect had spare hard disk ribbon cabl and want care case thi didn word purchas crimp pin cabl connector that gave anoth male connector middl spare cabl part cost and easili attach good wood vice theori crimp connector that thi doesn work origin cabl not damag and can back origin setup that couldn bother check dev note for power consumpt plug and work charm thi dai mac work care drive and ensur that termin resistor drive intact not thi termin resistor logic that split scsi chain that signal termin end you question peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quantum hard disk recent aquir quantum harddisk meg mechan scsi question and problem extra connector socket back that can figur for address set jumper bottom don for that idea second nice hardwar manual for drive lot jumper that don for drive format thing work and fine for format initiali troublesom main problem you reset macplu drive disappear shut mac and back agian drive come fine idea repli email address below richard crispin depart psycholog email rcrispin watart uwaterloo univers waterloo psych watserv uwaterloo waterloo ontario phone ext canada fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook and caer typist graphic hand scanner edit and forward csm announc moder respond origin email cabl that work phone number and applelink address for caer and smile and pat back beg you you caer typist graphic hand scanner read and solv problem will trueli grate for rest life problem that caer typist graphic hand scanner will not connect powerbook cabl scanner will not fit into scsi port powerbook cabl assembl adapt origin cabl fit scsi port thi turn comput into scsi mode and treat hard disk ask engin london assembl cabl idiot sheer lazi week and solv problem awar that caer solut you cabl that will solv thi problem you solut will forev grate you mail address zia castl wrong side road syndrom for that zia castl thank you advanc zia
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disappoint cie articl apr umiami miami edu ehg umiami miami edu write that recondit hardwar sold recondit discount price and that replac for hardwar bad cover dai warranti sound kind lemon law hardwar industri sound unfair for that paid price drive for recondit you gui
comp.sys.mac.hardware	fan noisi solut articl summer rintintin colorado edu summer rintintin colorado edu summeral thoma write doesn broken isn make grind nois loud louder that fan iici sold thi problem solut good replac fan that lot quieter move air easi insul sound not cool air hah can even hear fan gee work yup check exhaust air back fine gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	price drop month nathaniel sammon write get don want appl come cyclon and tempest month and price drop system want negoti good deal supplier for and jump don want price drop smuther btw deal mous for deal don you gaurente that price drop thi year thi week macweek report that appl plan drop august guess that come sooner appl decid chang price structur releas multimedia unit thi summer your price pretti good pai for mine last month wait for machin thi sommer cyclon resal iici not squat financ forc purchas happi machin and won feel betrai appl cut price week heh bottom line you want bui you wait cylcon come for price break you wait for powerpc come for anoth price break and unit follow you save monei you lost lot time you comput face appl price continu state flux aren rais grin john komp leonardo src honeywel
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar scsi perform kurt tiedtk ktiedtk jarthur claremont edu wrote direct inform scsi perform for each mac max throughput etc max thruput centri quadra sec max thruput iici iifx equival sec max thruput slower machin slower peter cohen don reflect employ opinion peterco eff org heck employ doesn even
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl tape backup system appl tape backup unit work sy not driver softwar access devic can fidn tool access thi devic info comment curti curti gener gener sti nasa gov nasa sti code jtt washington
comp.sys.mac.hardware	axion serial port switcher good bad into bui serial port switcher mac two serial port appletalk modem printer midi and sound digit specif axion electron switcher fairli cheap maczon heard that thing you can us serial port time prevent you physic swap cabl heard that program that us comm toolbox us serial port want thi true axion switchbox final axion stink you that you good interest hear product spend repli mail not regular reader thi newsgroup interest can post summari repli lot scott smith umsmith mc drexel edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pleez bui mac hei want bui mac and want good price doesn found good deal centri send price don want mail order areound cleveland ohio bui wait for power bob repli post mail rrn cwru edu robert novitskei pursu women similar bang head rrn cwru edu wall opportun for reward
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iisi mhz success stori howdi folk back septemb octob post instruct upgrad iisi mhz doin solderin peopl bolder report that procedur put mhz oscil run cpu mhz and darn doesn work thi procedur will work mine slow and death power kellei thoma kellei boylan powerpc ibm austin kelleyb austin ibm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	adb woe articl apr afterlif ncsc mil mlbelan afterlif ncsc mil mark belange write wise netter oop that oracl basic question that cannot answer heck can bui adb cabl mine trackbal shot and haven find replac anywher wrong mail order catalog idea place price make mark mlbelan afterlif ncsc mil you pick adb cabl comput wire store give you address alberta comput cabl calgari victoria canada and don address calgari you basic phone and charg approx cnd for custom made adb extens cabl for mous hope thi help dave maclachlan dmaclach uvic nightfal softwar inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	articl innrc srvr engin umich edu chyang leghorn engin umich edu chung hsiung yang write articl bauer bauer informatik uni ulm christian bauer write articl afi sh vohmryle andrew cmu edu donpaul stephen deathbird cmu edu wrote differ want doubl spin rom drive into nec and appl doublespin nec toshiba and soni appl deliv speed appl price low compar ram simm you bui inexpenc driver revis easier driver kit appl manufactur christian bauer bauer informatik uni ulm thought nec and toshiba rom mechan averag access time soni appl rom drive access time for doublespin model chung yang technolog drive toshiba mechan and supposedli fast and access and data transfer rate sec multisess photo compat educorp for technolog and come two mail coupon for two free cd not good sinc had drive month and had ship home address california maryland technolog drive separ power suppli separ drive supposedli longer life and cleaner fan attract dust toshiba brand drive technolog sinc you mechan and slightli lower price two free cd appl drive soni mechan access time and data transfer rate sec slowest mention not wide appl catalog bad price multi session photo compat extern model come free cd pretti good nec drive longest access time and data transfer rate sec vendor dollar includ educorp wasn multi sesssion photo compat hear that current version that ship owner older drive can upgrad not come free you bui bundl rom drive choic appl drive and technolog toshiba drive appl drive for compat appl product and technolog toshiba for speed and perform btw model drive appl applecd applecd intern technolog toshiba brand name model not nec cdr happi drive and had compat problem whatsoev wrong correct pretti even not you notic that last name presid technolog happen southern california hometown not rel gui liu common chines name southern california enorm chines commun doctor california steve liu patient and anoth steve liu come school and live dorm thi show that liu common steve steve liu for sig drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu suggest drlovemd jhuvm hcf jhu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl tape backup system articl gener nova gener nova sti nasa gov curti gener write appl tape backup unit work sy not driver softwar access devic can fidn tool access thi devic info comment curti curti gener gener sti nasa gov nasa sti code jtt washington retrospect dantz work nice thi combin you can bui mail order vendor
comp.sys.mac.hardware	hand scanner problem you caer typist graphic hand scanner read and save life problem that caer typist graphic hand scanner will not connect powerbook cabl scanner will not fit scsi port comput manag gaet cabl assembl that adapt cord comput thi comput into scsi mode that act extern hard disk whenev switch comput ask engin london assembl cabl for week and find solut sheer lazi and that cabl exist solv problem you solut cabl and can hold mail address zia castl will trueli grate for your thank you advanc zia
comp.sys.mac.hardware	cannot move data fast want achiev throughput rate megabyt sec for larg data transfer quadra nubu network card that can pump data mac memori block mode transfer high speed disk arrai asynchron call that can achiev transfer disk buffer network card not transfer data disk buffer transfer data buffer card result slow scheme for megabyt transfer step load disk buffer step asynch send card load disk buffer step asynch send card load disk buffer step asynch send card load nth disk buffer step send nth card even code appar execut card transfer asynchron and card not us mac cpu buffer tho each step long two transfer execut anoth improv rate mac ram dual port nubu card and disk driver can access data time problem that two devic card and disk driver us bu mac ram can david david blume tire think thing dcb wdl wdl loral don want bukowski barfli
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock processor folk thought answer struck flat face appl releas duo dock processor peopl hound appl for notebook processor appl can deliv that sap power radiat heat and larg for notebook that design chipset us exist powerbook technolog your advantag duo dock appl uniqu abil give user that power semi portabl fashion plunk into dock you quadra power your desk road that mhz handl your not solut answer win situat thi mean will us powerbook processor parallel dock processor get hypothet travi grundk macgam digest your sourc for inform contribut editor new review game softwar and game macgam digest industri macintosh commun repli cleveland freenet edu for inform macgam digest
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook question can powerbook pixel displai and dpi resolut assum that doesn and don mean impli dimens info price drop model duo come
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question quadra articl bostrauma trauma ennui trauma for nevil di ennui write inform acheiv resolut interanl video thi even suspect that isn for centri you correctli wire video cabl gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous apr utkvx utk edu nwc utkvx utk edu schizophrenia mean never alon write open appl ergo mous adb mous mine live cat true and pick fur can appl weld shut rotat plate mous ball counter clockwis you can open mous and clean isn obviou desktop bu mous open quit easili onc you geoff geoffb dartmouth edu comput support consult tuck school busi you don vote you don count
comp.sys.mac.hardware	cheapest mike for centri articl summer rintintin colorado edu summer rintintin colorado edu summeral thoma write bought centri and discov dispoint that appl cheap includ mike anymor intern extern you mic you intern rom drive gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock processor cleveland freenet edu travi grundk write appl releas duo dock processor peopl hound appl for notebook processor appl can deliv that sap power radiat heat and larg for notebook that design chipset us exist powerbook technolog your advantag duo dock appl uniqu abil give user that power semi portabl fashion plunk into dock you quadra power your desk road that mhz handl your not solut answer win situat thi mean will us powerbook processor parallel dock processor get hypothet great for anoth reason not dock serv ara server larg intern your corpor email etc pinch you two machin coupl that thought rocketshar and you us and dock mighti power dock brian hall mspace netcom mark space softwork applelink markspac america onlin markspac not disturb mission egghead
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl tape backup system articl pskkt fnnew fnal gov fnclub fnal gov david sach write articl gener nova gener nova sti nasa gov curti gener write appl tape backup unit work sy not driver softwar access devic retrospect dantz work nice thi combin us retrospect notic that central point softwar mactool backup support appl tape drive appl tape drive quit slow advantag retrospect rel simpler mactool backup signific case for back larg server dat drive us appl tape drive for make econom sens pai extra for retrospect mactool cheaper and includ worthwhil util retrospect nice and upgrad bill johnston johnston udel edu chamber street newark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock problem compsci liverpool phil csc liv phil jimmieson write had problem duo dock not eject duo properli duo come dock coupl inch eject and had pull rest nowadai and had system for month duo doesn come despit fact that mechan make nois and grab hold and pull simpl fix for thi return appl dealer will languish for week make colour displai vram floppi scsi etc btw not that duo lock into dock doesn want slide phil jimmieson comput scienc dept janet phil liv csc liverpool univers internet phil csc liv box liverpool head heel love cramp heard rumor that dock cpu will design that thi batch love duo instal card dock not fun bob bob lord south wacker room network manag chicago cstar group andersen consult lord andersen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	intern scsi instal appl unabl locat suitabl drive scsi wrong appl hdsc will format hard drive that appl sold you us parti format drive spoton
comp.sys.mac.hardware	articl innrc srvr engin umich edu chyang leghorn engin umich edu chung hsiung yang write articl bauer bauer informatik uni ulm christian bauer write articl afi sh vohmryle andrew cmu edu donpaul stephen deathbird cmu edu wrote differ want doubl spin rom drive into nec and appl doublespin nec toshiba and soni appl deliv speed appl price low compar ram simm you bui inexpenc driver revis easier driver kit appl manufactur christian bauer bauer informatik uni ulm thought nec and toshiba rom mechan averag access time soni appl rom drive access time for doublespin model chung yang toshiba access time nec access time soni appl access time somewhat import not vital case cd data transfer rate drive doubl speed drive maximum data transfer rate second good choic appl cheap includ mac and agre christian comment driver appl bootabl centri and quadra nice featur you instal system softwar don nec toshiba bootabl machin mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous articl dartvax dartmouth edu geoffb coo dartmouth edu thumper write apr utkvx utk edu nwc utkvx utk edu schizophrenia mean never alon write open appl ergo mous adb mous mine live cat true and pick fur can appl weld shut rotat plate mous ball counter clockwis you can open mous and clean isn obviou desktop bu mous open quit easili onc you geoff geoffb dartmouth edu comput support consult tuck school busi you don vote you don count origin poster meant open mous not releas ball and get roller found that origin adb mous sometim unscrew two halv allow for easier clean origin poster answer you open ergonom mous open mean split two halv gut isn obviou base minut spent offic yesterdai visibl screw head mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disappoint cie articl new servic uci edu wayn chen eapu orion oac uci edu write industri sound unfair for that oop meant fair not unfair
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra problem question quadra and notic that can chang desktop color beauti grai thought reinstal instal macintosh centri quadra diskett system file thi diskett recent hard disk easi instal select macintosh cnetri system softwar us thi custom and us system softwar for macintosh matter advanc for suggest kai alexand dominion univers bitnet kba oduvm internet kba oduvm odu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	sale powerbook slow articl martin tohi comp sy mac hardwar martin tohi jean francoi martin write thi not april joke dealer town told that powerbook don sell us sell gui told that appl problem desktop mac expens powerbook expens comparison you can do side you thi you feel thing curiou sound high demand for product incent aggres cut price onc demand fall bit time start get aggress price wait long can hurt your busi powerbook sold slow appl come lower price version reason powerbook that spring for rest lineup pricei for bet come power version michael peirc peirc outpost bai org peirc softwar suit hibiscu place san jose california usa maker voic fax smoothi applelink peirc america onlin afc peirc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	cach card and optimum memori set question that simpl answer stump and extern ram cach card for you you larg cach set control panel your simm mac iici meg ram extern video card don rob simm and default appl cach card thi cach set meg good measli cach card slow thing divid cach card and simm speed thing provid secondari stage area for data pass directli into simm ram cach confus cach card low memori good compar you can set daystar fastcach number show perform boost oper chip cach card simpli faster simm access find optimum memori set for iici system describ patrick hurh fnal fnal gov
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor and video card for think bui extern monitor for and wonder netland advic for think color monitor and bit card that can switch and higher read report card lapi that thi not us extern monitor main screen menubar major draw back thi perhap fix can card thi micron xceed monitor bui moment lean soni exactli differ good cheap monitor doesn monitor multisync support card that can switch resolut send mail and summar greatli get mail address mail order compani that sell monitor card advanc eggert thorlaciu univers iceland
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous that order innard mous you remov label bottom that appl desktop bu mous you find two screw side haven ran fingernail accross label two divot appear and can assum that elus screw question cheer john john graham cleveland institut music jmg cwru edu brought you letter and and number
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor articl pco einn corona hsc usc edu daniel chen dschen corona hsc usc edu write interest get color monitor for lciii quit confus soni monitor compar soni and appl dan thought mention that soni longer manufactur cpd manufactur flaw model appl soni trinitrom claim inch not detail defect work school bookstor and can you that half return kind defect anoth two cent worth
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor joseph kasan jmk cwru edu write thought mention that soni longer manufactur cpd manufactur flaw model appl soni trinitrom claim inch not detail defect work school bookstor and can you that half return kind defect anoth assum that you refer correct kind flaw report mine for month and haven notic problem develop lucki and snag good monitor curiou john john graham cleveland institut music jmg cwru edu brought you letter and and number
comp.sys.mac.hardware	you appl color onescann articl apr midwai uchicago edu johnc jcav elli uchicago edu write set bui for offic us for scan color photograph and for optic charact recognit plai origin grayscal onescann and pleas color model compar qualiti brand ocr softwar you recommend lean caer omnipag idea work campu bookstor and had opportun demo color scanner found impress afford educ discount note that come ofoto softwar suffici for
comp.sys.mac.hardware	advic tech work etc gregori welch write instruct for return ram expect credit visa week month and credit call almost return arghhh final found told never receiv your chip explain procedur that had return person repli you mean you mail had per origin sale person instruct told that loss mail shipment not uncommon come and that stuff fedex etc return memori last summer for credit and sale person warn not us mail insur shipment and appar techwork minor grip techwork that price list for peopl order duo memori think price employ subsequ found that appl offer develop memori for techwork charg call complain and told appl develop and credit card for purchas price techwork qualiti and instal instruct and includ powerbook tool for purchas sale tax chip merchant bit forrest howard oracl corpor oracl parkwai box redwood shore
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri peopl opinion real world differ and coprocessor don us mathamatica mapl etc don us spreadsheet sheet complic don us cad app us us render extens commun run bb write softwar write paper etc btw for kick thi told local appl rep upgrad appl built extra socket for coprocessor chip that you plug coprocessor and work heartili laugh and hung phone nate hate quotat thi messag brought you you nate sammon and number ralph waldo emerson long lanc colost edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous articl eqg dartvax dartmouth edu hade dartmouth edu write nwc utkvx utk edu schizophrenia mean never alon write open appl ergo mous adb mous mine live cat true and pick fur can appl weld shut you not hard opend mine second bottom dial that turn open older adb mous us bit harder turn quit simpl open nope pretti that thi person ball that want mous apart mous had screw bottom that you unscrew thi obviou apart toni quan stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iisi clock upgrad get lot request for thi inform thought post for interest parti for length increas maciisi speed mhz mhz clock chang mhz mhz mhz thi static free work station put aluminum foil work open lift tab back case remov hard disk disconnect power and scsi cabl spread tab and lift drive remov flopi drive remov power suppli spread tab front and lift suppli straight and remov fan press ear togeth back bottom side fan and lift straight and remov mother board spread tab left and side board and slide board forward lift board connector back board remov desold mhz clock closest memori modul thi not easi even for skill solder socket round pin and remov pin push bottom long nose plier put pin hole vacat clock and solder insert mhz mhz clock put larg power transistor heat sink processor chip and larg chip processor and figur hold heat sync place made simpl clamp put inch screw hole board two chip mount screw insul washer screw cross member heat sync hold place don us pressur put back togeth and for disclaim thi procedur us and not author you your for thi procedur quit will void your warente bye for ralph durtschi idaho state univers email durtralp isu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	racet optic racet drive ricoh mechan rom thing tosoh optic disk byte per sector cart for thing that refus mount format cart that for drive that work racet certifi media sector cart can that thi tosoh cart kind incompat low level format softwar will thi format thi drive dip set for mechan combin driver and custom format program can find luck idea joshc csa edu you good idea mail thi address can check thi newsgroup constantli
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook powerbook fax data modem citibank citidollar catalog for citidollar modem bp data bp fax send monti solomon box framingham monti roscom
comp.sys.mac.hardware	problem rose work rose card problem that crash card disappear system and let crash mac don us card quit simul error instruct regist mask simul stuck error bit crash instanc rose notic crash set flag and stop work read mention flag mac can notic card crash that work fine for almost crash sometim card doesn set flag and disappear system document rose not behavior crash and moment understand analyz assembl code and that frustrat and lengthi can repli email don read thi group depart comput scienc univers dortmund germani laf aennig mail maennig veronica informatik uni dortmund begin god creat adam ahem atom atom hydrogen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	floptic question articl bmyer slip ot utexa edu bmyer ccwf utexa edu billi lee myer write last time look floptic disk weren that cheap per floptic disk per megabyt per sysquest per megabyt floptic sinc begin year per floptic per megabyt and advertis macweek per megabyt for tight budget fact that minim dollar increment for storag versu sometim matter
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem recent obtain centri and develop unusu video problem model vram card monitor appl comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors wonder thi and fix respond azelenet bigmac mskcc org you for your andrew zelenetz molecular biologi program memori sloan ketter cancer center
comp.sys.mac.hardware	noisi can thi older style fan that remind hous ventil cylindr drum blade rotor make thi loud buzz nois due vibrat somewher remov screw and loosen front back quiet can assum that fan hous thi goofi thing touch back case and vibrat suggest for replac fan and stealth thi gui your experi had plan perfect batf spokesperson cnn fail raid attempt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	tempest and cyclon info need inform upcom comput cyclon and tempest info greatli appreci shawn breedsa wkuvx bitnet
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rumour duo jek ultb isc rit edu king write sinc subject chip power consumpt heard reliabl sourc that dec alpha chip power that intel pentium chip and whip pentium butt make you intel made chip begin wouldn you powerbook alpha run mip cool idea bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong extrem hot idea current alpha alpha run mhz produc quit bit heat fact that special mount extra larg heat sink appl pretti commit powerpc rout deal dec sid sidnei kitchel kitchel indiana edu kitchel dpsi data parallel system inc dpsi morningsid drive bloomington indiana usa fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appletalk card question chanc bui us appletalk card creat network home machin gui card tell can rememb back card pin pin mini din that expect thi sound thicknet ethernet card transciev quadra reason price expect pai for card keep mind that micro channel architectur mean your guess and doubl email repli appreci rrr idea richr opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	macintosh luggabl line screen don us for work correctli long appl continu make system softwar that will run slowli problem screen tilt back vertic line screen pixel and affect somewhat open window and pull menu semi technic person loos connect screen and rest comput open suggest that not involv bui comput take thi shop not bui larri pina book larri not feel strongli comput bui servic manual for relat note monitor connector connect erik
comp.sys.mac.hardware	performa monitor performa monitor compat appl color displai vga moniro will
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rack mount price good product that rack mount blow monei applic music and haul plan drive don depend intern fix hard drive pretti rough intern san francisco bai area that matter info and midi and care email price paid for price list faq never mind curiou differ retail and local univers price jeff adam adam ups mtv gtegsc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	current rom version ship syquest drive titl and rom version steve
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo crash aftersleep appl bug mysstem crash aftwer sleepp us enabl us appletalk and fileshar and expressmodem lowel lowel reiter vacat tuft univers internet account lreiter jade tuft edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri decstat net adapt pnsf smuc umassd edu denni wilkinson write not necessarili thrid parti adapt appl manufactur transceiv for thinwir and baset twist pair cabl media aui attach unit interfac transciev run each you us thinwir baset you termin appl transceiv termin rememb correctli idea dec parti media adapt cheaper toronto appl bought adapt asant appl gurman umbra gsfc nasa gov joseph gurman write decstat model and come thinwir can for model and your bet that not true decstat come thinwir bnc coaxial ethernet connector and singl pin aui ethernet connector distinctli rememb thi and thought thinwir eventu had back and order desta dec overs version aui bnc adapt that us transciev cabl for rest station advis origin poster beverli you want creat lan two workstat and won add machin for thinwir media type for utp unshield twist pair wire requir concentr mean extra monei and unit come port for thicknet nightmar and cabl expens avoid you choic two machin two floor part mac side you will thinwir media adapt appl parti macx make you version won run system mactcp come macx you macx you get mactcp don us earlier version centri you not ohm termin depend thinwir media adapt sale adapt termin not configur mactcp us ethernet decstat side you will for model you will connector for model you will aui bnc adapt that can plug directli aui port decstat thi you save cost transciev cabl pin aui male pin aui femal cabl ohm termin your two machin network will thi decstat centri decstat centri ohm termin connector thinwir coaxial cabl aui bnc thick thin adapt thickwir media adapt assum termin andi andi sun andi utoronto taddl creek road toronto comput coordin ontario canada depart industri engin phone univers toronto fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	vga monitor and mac seri comput recal read that mac and iii can us stand ard vga monitor cabl adapt uncertain thi sinc ask peopl thi not can vga monitor us mac spec need for monitor work mac horizont nad vertic frequenc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lcd overhead projector apr ed jan camhpp mdcbb jan vandenbrand write for color lcd screen you place overhead projector and control present mac can you recommend brand price talk for good displai you activ matrix panel and bright overhead projector design us lcd panel stage not hot proxima ovat unit and like need brighter projector us expens for you imho price activ matrix panel rumour drop substanti thi year tarrif lift canadian dollar proxima ovat model rang price and good overhead projector for that kind monei you can brighter imag beam projector sacrific portabl proper room light extrem import you want your audienc light read handout and not that light wash your displai front room tricki
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	convert keyboard for mac mac coupl year ago bought shinei appl keyboard abd port replac mac pro extend keyboard enjoi you thi extra keyboard us problem jack for keyboard input and keyboard don extra adb cabl local appl dealer such nice peopl couldn order wire wire adb cabl black white red tan ground get serial signal suppli volt and forgot fourth you hook wrong you fry board and don want that brave soul thi mail your experi directli greatli sinc appl origin keyboard not ergonom correct btw apart keyboard find correl wire for jack and adb sinc such luck connect solder insid box ti blink ey ti draught breath blossom health pale death gild saloon briar shroud spirit mortal proud william knox shagberg cmp ilstu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac portabl intern fax modem can intern fax modem for origin mac portabl made for manufactur can find for your gene wright gene jackatak raider net gene wright jackatak raider net
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac portabl ram problem coprocessor not instal recent bought ram card for origin mac portabl backlit and sinc had bizarr crash happen put machin sleep and wake machin sometim will freez cursor and lock machin forc push reset switch time will give usual bomb box error messag processor not instal solut not put machin sleep idea caus thi fix memori card psuedostat ram and into pd slot that figur into problem manufactur king memori not kingston irvin problem machin idea gene wright gene jackatak raider net gene wright jackatak raider net
comp.sys.mac.hardware	driver for datafram driver for bernoulli cartridg datafram hard disk system fri and haven locat origin disk can thi mail advanc wayn lyle wayn lyle dilworth paxson kalish kauffman philadelphia
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram luck futur and wonder clear two question for speed simm want that vram not for main ram heard two conflict stori total expand ram and meg true perhap anoth phrase meg version come meg logic board meg meg simm wonder dave hollinsworth hlsw uhura rochest edu astound time fleet mad take plai toll riff raff rocki horror pictur show pinbal disclaim opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	replac intern fdhd floptic iisi floppi drive that bad and align haven check drive not easili repar replac intern floptic can thi easili can assum that floptic drive can read and write and floppi thi not fact true advanc kiran
comp.sys.mac.hardware	colour card for wouldani afair price for color card aussi dollar wonder view express thi post individu author bb number maccont victoria icon bb
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ram upgrad will slow you absolutei true you fail mention fact that lciii pin simm bit access each simm case iii simm slot access will bit wide view express thi post individu author bb number maccont victoria icon bb
comp.sys.mac.hardware	interest adb behaviour apr waikato ldo waikato lawrenc oliveiro waikato univers write heard such warn appl ask coupl technician servic mac for year danger damag logic board plug and unplug adb devic power problem that pin adb connector close each and you happen bend cabl insert you short adb port you appl repair centr that mean motherboard compon replac physic for serial port localtalk cheer jon tte nada kth mac hacker delux thi articl print recycl electron
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rom acceler video qknuq agat berkelei edu web berkelei edu jame wang write address mode command that fill slightli faster sinc instruct fetch byte time versu even can fetch two byte time instruct move fetch byte time that mean bit pixel cheer jon tte nada kth mac hacker delux thi articl print recycl electron
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ad int hard disk drive iicx haven info add extra intern disk mac and had good advic mac iicx origin intern quantum hard disk and unus floppi drive spare connor disk us idea replac broken floppi drive hard disk problem intern scsi cabl and power cabl insid connector for singl hard disk drive made ribbon cabl and power cabl connector each for motherboard for each disk work iicx suppli extra power extra disk termin suppos that remov resistor pack disk that closest motherboard leav instal disk scsi jumper chang that disk get problem for remov floppi drive extern floppi that can us won boot hard disk you torbj rogn email rogntorb idt unit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	want hard drive market for hard drive iisi and almost fill sell for mac for cheap can mail order and place bui for price net thi newsgroup that sell for wholesal cheaper info appreci
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac iisi power limit mac iisi and upgrad card hard drive etc can you power limit for pd slot and hard drive power feed secondli can you separ limit for each singl limit for combin felix lin reader comp sy mac hardwar feilimau leland stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem attent mac quadra owner storag industri expert conclud that mac quadra suffer time irregular deviat standard scsi specif thi result silent corrupt data us devic includ ultra modern devic will not name devic sinc not fault exampl soni inch special mac compat firmwar instal solut sometim disabl blind write thi doesn sound don quadra us mac noth scsi time that handl chip time wrong appl program clock regist wrong that hurt synchron transfer not us mac scsi manag disabl blind write meaningless quadra mac that us lower level scsi chip mac respons for handshak each byte transfer blind mode affect mac handl that handshak handshak handl chip tim smith
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can monitor articl carsona sfu carsona fraser sfu debra carson write virtual screen larger size us you step for time work powerbook system minor problem menubar icon edg latest version step that work deni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	for free share ware for ftp site freewar sharewar for mac will lot driver sourc code ftp site inform appreci advanc young dept info univ tokyo email young tokyo
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram articl apr galileo rochest edu hlsw uhura rochest edu dave hollinsworth wrote luck futur and wonder clear two question for speed simm want that vram not for main ram pin simm heard two conflict stori total expand ram and meg true perhap anoth phrase meg version come meg logic board meg meg simm config each case memori solder board leav simm socket open total address memori for wonder michael mcguir mcguir utkvx utk edu utcc user servic
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disappear hard drive intern disappear for dai last week and hear reason theori folk can suggest for happen ram and intern drive run system scsi devic properli termin chain had shut system for dai town and sometim thunderstorm thi time year and restart blink question mark boot floppi and that extern sign intern instal system folder extern and boot thing disk aid and silverlin inquir intern drive not find error talk silverlin claim connor drive quantum back thing work point notic that intern had reappear disk aid that etc thing fine happen thi warn that intern die nervou and thi signal that intern sick true that can put drive insid folk claim limit size power and that includ laci phone that fit for answer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disabl power manag interrupt point init that turn power manag duo write init that turn power manag duo point document power manag that can write such init explain such init total partial imposs ideal turn and fly sure such init help powerbook owner want midi cannot imagin not requir appl divlug secret and that case sure appl write init appl bring model fast dai that even don work scott petrack petrack haifasc vnet ibm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl announc performa version articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write appl announc that will start sell vesion performa machin will built modem and bundl softwar model will and price not set appl retail price machin expect rang kind post thi you substanti world give detail come mac that model etc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	desktop rebuild and datadesk keyboard datadesk mac keyboard similar problem found that hold hand shift kei startup will work disabl extens left hand shift kei won unfortun sinc left instinct reach for similarli train hold hand pair command option for desktop rebuild irrit cheer michael michael smith smith pell anu edu mathemat research section australian nation univers
comp.sys.mac.hardware	memori upgrad jacob plasma ssl berkelei edu nga throgaw shaygii write excus thi frequent question check faq couldn find you excus answer vari mac mac complex answer faq iisi standard meg memori and want add addit memori budget don meg max perform wise and econom thi told that us simm amount memori that meg meg etc want bui meg and us rest manual hasn help thi bit wide data bu and you us bit wide simm short cut you quit greg word not motorola equal right not special right gpb gpb mac sp mot will not ride back bu greg berryman silenc death motorola austin texa usa true glb mail list glblist gpb mac sp mot motorola
comp.sys.mac.hardware	set lb top centri had question for nec monitor appl gui that monitor put ontop centri and had coment that put nec box think monitor small tilt swivel base weight concentr appl don area base tilt swivel addition cdrom drive middl cut piec thick wood cover cream cover cloth and us buffer layer centri top and monitor mick mueck mick mueck analog hate chipsoft macintax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	thunderscan spare imagewrit cover replac cover need us thunderscan imagewrit can fool printer into work cover stick suitabl magnet into cover sensor for ralph magnet trick will work care you appli white tape rubber carriag roller tell scanner edg and can come jim edgewai infolink name edgewai wimsei gui bb voic view express individu author firstclass postalunion lite north vancouv canada
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii problem articl apr leland stanford edu ravi konchigeri mongoos leland stanford edu write final comput fix and sum hard drive compani origin meg drive that bad bad sector ibm quantum lciii suppos ship ibm qualiti differ appar second hard drive posit put lciii side and had problem even switch back and horizont and vertic and problem concern don posit import for drive meg comput don rom life lane end half mile ravi konchigeri mongoos leland stanford edu ravi not good idea horizont format hard disk vertic posit drive format horizont posit can not complet compens for gravit pull vertic posit not that your hard disk will fail tomorrow month that chanc you want detail info problem mail sunnyt dna bch edu sunni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii problem sidewai articl qmgjk menudo edu sunnyt code bch edu write not good idea horizont format hard disk vertic posit drive format horizont posit can not complet compens for gravit pull vertic posit not that your hard disk will fail tomorrow month that chanc you want detail info problem mail sunnyt dna bch edu sunni ask thi question ago contempl place side receiv respons seagat trash messag state that newer drive seagat can compens for graviti thi mean that horizont format drive can vertic data integr problem that newer drive cannot work you vari forc shake bounc etc don place drive side rock chair constitut newer drive don call your drive manufactur quantum intern and sinc month ago guess newer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	want us deskjet system articl mori apr cere mfd fujitsu mori volga mfd fujitsu tsuyoshi mori write us deskjet orang micro grappler system updat system system kanji talk can not print deskjet grappler can us deskjet system us deskjet system you japan mori volga mfd fujitsu us deskjet grappler ver and work system us swa dutch and swa swiss font that due size requir print pnt definit print pnt font upgrad talk orang micro and state that ver grappler work system upgrad pass hope thi help marc marc donovan donovan bnr voic fax disclaim respons for opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii powerpc mirski hal gnu mit edu david joshua mirski write lciii and recent heard interest rumor heard that lciii built slot for powerpc chip thi true heard that slot not pd slot that true don hype such thing powerpc slot hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem don specif problem mention your messag had scsi problem and vener jasmin megadr cartridg drive solut silverlin loop that involv blind write work drive fact loop that work macintosh softwar loop that mean mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem tz stein washington edu tim smith write attent mac quadra owner storag industri expert conclud that mac quadra suffer time irregular deviat standard scsi specif thi result silent corrupt data us devic includ ultra modern devic will not name devic sinc not fault exampl soni inch special mac compat firmwar instal solut sometim disabl blind write thi doesn sound don quadra us mac noth scsi time that handl chip time wrong appl program clock regist wrong that hurt synchron transfer not us mac scsi manag disabl blind write meaningless quadra mac that us lower level scsi chip mac respons for handshak each byte transfer blind mode affect mac handl that handshak handshak handl chip doc that scsi manag bug thi thing jim jagielski and gonna stiff jim jagubox gsfc nasa gov hei lama nasa gsfc code you for effort greenbelt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem articl apr mintaka lc mit edu nodin lc mit edu mark nodin write don specif problem mention your messag had scsi problem and vener jasmin megadr cartridg drive solut silverlin loop that involv blind write work drive fact loop that work macintosh softwar loop that mean doubt thi quadra specif problem had rid vener bernoulli last year cartridg purchas each make thing worth comput tech support gui ocean microsystem suggest that parti driver fix problem case cartridg wouldn format mount partit for bill johnston johnston udel edu chamber street newark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac scsi pmmu socket question articl qkmb jethro corp sun khc marantz corp sun write mac suppos socket for pmmu chip that socket motherboard obtain pmmu chip mhz surplu store and instal mac circa cannot socket instal origin mac had appl mmu chip instal perform subset function you underneath your front left floppi bai you will find chip approxim size will and approxim size will appl chip easi spot hump middl exampl that and appl logo make easi find ben mpretzel utexa edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii problem ravi konchigeri mongoos leland stanford edu write hard drive compani origin meg drive that bad bad sector ibm quantum lciii suppos ship ibm qualiti differ offici experi includ quantum problem free brand mac second hard drive posit put lciii side and had problem even switch back and horizont and vertic and problem concern don posit import for drive meg comput don rom not matter for hard drive mac long doesn fall doug thi signatur construct wyvern technolog tidewat premier onlin inform system login guest password guest regist
comp.sys.mac.hardware	noisi can articl rjinn cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox write thi older style fan that remind hous ventil cylindr drum blade rotor make thi loud buzz nois due vibrat somewher remov screw and loosen front back quiet can assum that fan hous thi goofi thing touch back case and vibrat suggest for replac fan and stealth thi gui your experi had plan perfect batf spokesperson cnn fail raid attempt own replac fan silenc macwarehous macconnect come instruct for instal and requir solder work charm manufactur mobiu dave dlc umcc ai org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iii nubu capabl mmiller garnet msen marvin miller write friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot compusa and computerc supercent don carri thi mean iii incap carri nubu board that exactli mean famili mac can us pd card not us nubu hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	desktop rebuild and datadesk keyboard smith pell anu edu michael smith write similarli train hold hand pair command option for desktop rebuild set and didn work phone tech support and gui doesn desktop rebuild hold for and hold and hold and hold final back and basic work doen and don guess will back macconnect and bui thing plai music keyboard terri
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	fpu dumb question fit fpu mac not plain speed increas refer chip advanc sylvain louboutin phone mail sloubtin dsg tcd distribut system group reilli institut room fax depart comput scienc triniti colleg dublin ireland
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii powerpc articl qksuq hal gnu mit edu mirski hal gnu mit edu david joshua mirski write lciii and recent heard interest rumor heard that lciii built slot for powerpc chip thi true heard that slot not pd slot that true david mirski mirski gnu mit edu iii pop top reveal socket for addit vram simm socket for pin ram simm socket for flat pack fpu processor direct slot pd ident addit set connet side for full bit data path that lack that guess board powerpc chip made that fit pd that place andr molyneux wvv insert your favorit disclaim pyramid technolog corp internet street andrem pyramid san jose packet wvv ari nocal usa
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram articl mcguir newsserv utcc utk edu mcguir utkvx utk edu michael mcguir wrote articl apr galileo rochest edu hlsw uhura rochest edu dave hollinsworth wrote luck futur and wonder clear two question for speed simm want that vram not for main ram pin simm heard two conflict stori total expand ram and meg true perhap anoth phrase meg version come meg logic board meg meg simm config each case memori solder board leav simm socket open total address memori for time post dale adam appl comput and requir simm not centri requir simm pete
comp.sys.mac.hardware	setup partit set lb top centri articl apr urbana mcd mot feldman urbana mcd mot mike feldman wrote can figur hope partit button hard disk setup util dare and happen can divid wealth famili member bit securli get inform section manual suggest avenu call appl didn mention net mike feldman motorola comput group fax east univers avenu pager urbana mcdphx uiucuxc udc feldman feldman urbana mcd mot partit button appl setup let you set and type partit won you creat normal mac volum you silverlin similar that will you advantag unus space your hard disk you don mind reformat thing chri ellen ellen bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	performa intern modem articl lsrk innr new bbn ado quinc bbn buz owen write hear that performa lciii intern modem can modem part obtain and instal lciii nice powerbook intern modem that hope for you misinform check sear last week modem extern bp data send fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can monitor maxapplezoom sharewar init your monitor not driven intern video chen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	memori upgrad jeff eniac sea upenn edu georg write us memori newer model bui upgrad powerbook us card powerbook us meg upgrad meg and meg upgrad for for pb eric smith eric netcom eric infoserv
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ram upgrad will slow douc tfsquad org andrew gewek write cannot speak for dale quit that macintosh full bit bit data path full advantag that run fast two pin simm pin simm that longword access assum bit data path byte simm second byte second and thi mean that each longword memori split simm for each byte hand that simm interleav word longword not byte success memori and memori control deal bit data path that each suspect that interleav extent that bit can read written onc thi byte level interleav not confus thi machin longword interleav two pin simm sort that sort idea you essenti bit data path excus ram bit cpu can handl write success address speed dale pin simm interleav byte allow full data bu common usenet and clueless conclus can drawn thi figur kind memori configur for iii bit datapath fastest idea jason macdonald jason scott macdonald jsm cornel edu jsm crux cit cornel edu technolog suffici advanc indistinguish magic cat exist that arthur clark caress lion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii cach card press releas heard rumor cach card for lciii that full data bu width pd slot mauric internet lriggin afit mil
comp.sys.mac.hardware	modem info for duo altern express modem duo owner want baud place town back order and part reason want laptop mac can us remot termin wherev hate wait month modem settl baud you
comp.sys.mac.hardware	long ram simm last articl apr ultb isc rit edu jek ultb isc rit edu king wrote doesn simm move flip flop don move bigger electron noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem articl hvinnseq shellei washington edu tz stein washington edu tim smith wrote attent mac quadra owner storag industri expert conclud that mac quadra suffer time irregular deviat standard scsi specif thi result silent corrupt data us devic includ ultra modern devic will not name devic sinc not fault that fine you name industi expert can track thi thi doesn sound don quadra us mac noth scsi time that handl chip yup that kinda curiou scsi problem encount due cabl noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iii nubu capabl articl qkkq nigel msen mmiller garnet msen marvin miller wrote friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot compusa and computerc supercent don carri thi mean iii incap carri nubu board appl doesn make such card suppos parti big problem that isn room for standard nubu card insid iii noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	put centri intern bai articl jfnp fcx world std jbailei world std jim bailei wrote hade coo dartmouth edu brian hugh write tz stein washington edu tim smith write jbailei world std jim bailei write you intern mix analog audio output mac gener audio mac motherboard you can sampl audio sound control panel click option button microphon icon you click option button never undim latest word thi you disconnect microphon cabl motherboard button suppos dim audio will simpli select audio microphon remov don button dim sinc noth select haven track centri check thi assum that machin intern rom bai work quadra don yup made mistak month ago thi issu noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank you will fit into list pentium powerpc and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz hear explan experienc folk folk troubl repli repli command type address hand and work dave kitabjian kit ahb jyin vital statist east garden favorit guitarist phil keaggi dayton favorit comput macintosh spaghetti prefer semi broken tredysvr ubbpc dhk instal pref top gvl vfl paramax favorit book bibl favorit rush limbaugh commerci taxula part iii favorit contradict pro child pro choic
comp.sys.mac.hardware	deskwrit opinion feedback lot worth addit expens problem found word you tabl longer page and cell visibl border last bottom page line page will miss make differ tabl format worst that doesn show word page view page preview ari ari covrigaru univers michigan lab phone room advanc technolog bldg internet ari eec umich edu beal av ann arbor
comp.sys.mac.hardware	long ram simm last articl noah noah appl noah appl noah price write articl apr ultb isc rit edu jek ultb isc rit edu king wrote doesn simm move flip flop don move bigger electron dynam ram not base flip flop basic singl transistor and capacitor store each bit static ram base flip flop and expens and dens and part that move electron and thermal expans noah chri chri wood bellcor ccw ctt bellcor
comp.sys.mac.hardware	floptic question articl bmyer slip ot utexa edu billi lee myer bmyer ccwf utexa edu write floptic technolog and doesn enjoi long term data storag optic and last time look floptic disk weren that cheap per floptic disk per megabyt per sysquest per megabyt don time post thi net listen onc and for floptic media megabyt you don bui by floptic per disk that meagabyt not not bui bulk not get special deal meg good book approch floppi price question sourc can ctr cwru edu chri chri robert ctr cwru edu ctr pyrit som cwru edu robert snowhit eeap cwru edu robert alpha ce cwru edu you find log termin check mail
comp.sys.mac.hardware	for sale absolut never us mhz motorola that will sell good offer static free seal packag don good offer will us replac taker supposedli you can for moment demand higher suppli good round number will pai ship offer send lewallen ci ohio state edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	updat keyboard question for mac coupl year ago bought shinei appl keyboard abd port replac mac pro extend keyboard enjoi you thi extra keyboard us problem jack for keyboard input and keyboard don extra adb cabl local appl dealer such nice peopl couldn order wire wire adb cabl black white red tan ground get serial signal suppli volt and forgot fourth you hook wrong you fry board and don want that brave soul thi mail your experi directli greatli sinc appl origin keyboard not ergonom correct btw apart keyboard find correl wire for jack and adb sinc such luck connect solder insid box thing case you think that abd port newer model connect us you you can us telephon cabl and connect mac pro keyboard jack word thi engin feat matter find correct order omt thi work will post solut can for input ti blink ey ti draught breath blossom health pale death gild saloon briar shroud spirit mortal proud william knox shagberg cmp ilstu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iisi clock upgrad watch iisi speedup report and plan upgrad week plan build small board crystal and switch speed front pannel switch thi can speed want can run slower stock speed experi compat problem applic don expect switch clock speed system run can switch lock problem switch mhz need and put back idl mhz not neede thi reduc wear and tear cpu even heat sink not want run clock signal switch us chip two board select frequenc desir and rout directli mother board haven start probe insid voltag level power crystal oscil tom dicken boe comput servic tpd yak boe statement mine and not boe
comp.sys.mac.hardware	fax modem home offic bought for around don for data fax featur us voic mail box like captain zod zod ncube
comp.sys.mac.hardware	accelarator accelarator make lot differ understand graphic and cpu accelar graphic accelar scanner and photo shop combin practic mac iici kind accelarator can us captain zod zod ncube
comp.sys.mac.hardware	photo shop scanner macc iici and color scanner scan pictur dpi print color printer minut make nois mac hang reboot thi mean bui memori disk free and scan pictur captain zod zod ncube
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac constantli reboot side note had mac smoke had machin that sudden start emit thick grayish white smoke each case capacitor that had bad encount thi keith coolei macintosh lab administr louisiana tech univers tkc engr latech edu had happen time two begin student pretti entertain happen lab lectur demonstr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	request info floptic drive ad floptic drive current system floptic drive recommend for qualiti and perform prefer floptic drive capabl handl and floppi handl floppi not necess bit iomega floptic and infin floptic drive comment recommend for floptic drive that worth into and can purchas mail order place etc advanc send repli directli umsoroko ccu umanitoba mike sorokowski umsoroko ccu umanitoba
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar dhk ubbpc dave kitabjian write intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank you will fit into list pentium powerpc fastest pentium version powerpc vicin and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz comput speed partli depend processor clock speed memori system speed plai larg role video system speed and speed processor clock rate speed memori system becom greatest factor system speed you mhz processor can read anoth word memori you can put memori your comput will cost time slower simm and roughli twice fast clock speed rai fischer convict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pd nubu iii nubu capabl articl mqk liverpool wi liverpool seller write bill higgin beam jockei higgin fnalf fnal gov wrote articl kzl kkb dartvax dartmouth edu hade coo dartmouth edu brian hugh write mmiller garnet msen marvin miller write friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot famili mac can us pd card not us nubu can technic hip macsling differ pd and nubu imposs make gadget that plug into pd and end nubu card cage marvin friend not locat and fundament reason for thi that exist nubu expans cage advertis occassion that main problem that cost differ price and iivx you lot nubu slot not worth bother that extra box expens bui expens nubu technolog isn special appl proprietri thing thi sneaki feel that licens texa instrument problem build expans box appl ieee nubu standard for bit backplan bu thi technot that reada coupl week ago stuff delet hope thi help bret chase internet bchase wpi wpi edu macintosh bellnet smile won kill you snailnet wpi box institut worcest
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac iisi power limit reader mac iisi and upgrad card hard drive etc can you power limit for pd slot and hard drive power feed secondli can you separ limit for each singl limit for combin drop line you answer question felix lin feilimau leland stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	screen death mac mac and mac problem screen blank sometim minor physic jolt such insert floppi intern drive sometim comput left blank replac wire connect logic board and video board that jiggl wire made screen come back thi work for blank return can power suppli crt comput for advic ethan bodin tuft univers ebodin pearl tuft edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl mini dock boss purchas powerbook duo lean math coprocessor for mathematica duo find mini dock coprocessor parti announc such beast alan deguzman geniu never understood time calculu mathematica disclaim univers calvin hobb can afford opinion indispens calvin and hobb
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	upgrad memori origin powerbook ram and find that drag work maximum ram for thi unit and cost hope can latest and info real user post thi group advanc bill
comp.sys.mac.hardware	test simm ytwu magnu ac ohio state edu yih tyng write simm not work don softwar that can test simm reli ram test perform comput start instal dead simm into strang music and displai screen your advanc yih tyng ytwu magnu ac ohio state edu sharewar ramcheck that call ramcheck ftp site such umich and sumex terri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri math coprocessor option thi faq don read comp sy mac hardwar purchas coupl centri configur system follow ram ethernet vram math coprocessor option purchas agent told math coprocessor option and appl summari document prove order coprocessor option not that need thought chip had math coprocessor built into appl had math coprocessor chip architectur speed chip centri concern that set hardwar bottleneck send your respons david anthoni guevara cup portal will summar interest david guevara internet david anthoni guevara cup portal
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	spec articl rayc myqo netcom rai netcom rai fischer write patrickd wpi wpi edu lazer write greatli mail you that fine stuff delet you librari sinc you wpi and floor professor post ieee spec sheet page long librari info you request matter find hope thi help bret chase internet bchase wpi wpi edu macintosh bellnet smile won kill you snailnet wpi box institut worcest
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iicx won turn chang batteri thing shortli problem happen and notic inordin number bu error pilon pilon rpi edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	summari zyxel string write recent zyxel modem great problem figur string us applic basic string for term firstclass client and telefind client firstclass and term work anoth modem set firstclass and copi for term problem term for exampl will list error time dial start problem cancel and work fine telefind even wors can even wake modem zyxel for program greatli you send setup string you us advanc yoshio ucla edu write for zterm initi atz set init string atz that rsmith pearl tuft edu rod smith write can you firstclass telefind zterm and zyxel for close two week onc zterm set hardwar handshak and bp rate you thi type line set modem ignor dtr line for hardwar handshak not mac hardwar handshak cabl second store thi set volatil memori modem default modem start modem prefer dialog modem initi string set insur that store set us start zterm fax softwar macwoof chang set wai altern you leav factori default and set zterm initi string accomplish thing modem you start zterm and program don modifi set work even program modifi modem set sometim forget turn modem launch zterm and thi assur correct dtr handl modem power compar string command refer guid atz thi enter initi box modem prefer zterm quick summari each commmand reset modem user profil speaker volum fairli quiet ring volum fairli quiet displai connect info set manual assum dtr comput dial speed fast zyxel can handl firstclass us thi string addit command setup box thi disabl auto answer function modem for firstclass base modem set supra fax and chang mention string telefind base set zoom set chang modem initi string us for firstclass and work fine long thi summari forward thi info mac report directori sumex aim save newbi zyxel user troubl set string and save net redund messag add feel free marcu mlobbia ucsd edu marcu lobbia mlobbia sdcc ucsd edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm bad mail order dai order vram chip for lciii mac connect overnight nice and instal and found that didn work properli you put comput thousand mode bottom screen chip flicker and fuzzi call and return for question such thing happen simm chip gener you find order chip that larg portion bad thi rariti thi chip order experi thi area curiou had type experi that email and peopl want can post summari hillel sim simsh rpi edu renssela polytechn institut rot rotat forward backward anonym
comp.sys.mac.hardware	tcp rout localtalk ethernet stori network mac localtalk ethernet card and connect don laugh for price mac iisi connect internet slip run baud modem can telnet mac ethernet and telnet rest world want sort hardwar that will rout telnet session localtalk mac ethernet mac heard air doesn trick softwar solut good impress that aren interest and telnet slip connect doesn assign number machin share that number advanc benjamin chuang itd css consult univers michigan benjamin chuang umich edu consult refer bchuang css itd umich edu unix and long messag
comp.sys.mac.hardware	boot ext power extern hard drive us startup disk problem switch mac boot intern restart warm boot mac boot extern make boot directli extern email repli advanc jerri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm us nubu board rememb run across back mac user world year ago for nubu board that had umpteen simm slot us recycl your simm you upgrad memori don rememb made thi board and haven advertis latest mac magazin mention that includ softwar make simm board act ram disk simm can rid us hate wast thi sound majorli good idea board compani talk busi can us longer made greatli appreci mail save net bandwidth cap internet cptnerd digex aol cptnerd compuserv consilio manuqu otium cum dignit credo quia absurdum est parturi mont nascetur ridiculu mu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac iisi cach option reader found that cach upgrad option for mac iisi includ quicksilv daystar fastcach iisi daystar combocach iisi logicach iisi cach interest hear opinion option altern upgrad cpu acceler such logicach mhz idea comparis felix lin feilimau leland stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iivx upgrad question articl ja apr tigger isi edu ja isi edu jeff sullivan write you teh iivx upgrad includ sticker cover iivx identifi centri indetifi can for iivx upgrad wonder thing order iii upgrad turn upgrad entir cpu minu disk drive you pull floppi and hard drive stick and you iii iivx thing into for peopl unhappi that appl sell mac pre packag drive price quit bit higher trade brian cherkau rochest edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list plan bui pretti get confus whether come fpu not option built understand thi game regard thian
comp.sys.mac.hardware	soni problem info soni and nice run mode pictur won big end gap side and top bottom suspect intern adjust fix thi anoth problem sub bright area that meant black main raster not black real raster quit visibl screen blank thi not sever not good trini screen us turn bright contrast that raster not visibl real imag virtual disappear raster size us dpi bit and rasterop xli card marcu bointon marcu meridian demon marcu bointon tel marcu meridian demon fax us window for week onc feel
comp.sys.mac.hardware	fax modem for mac articl llpo new ci umn edu mbuntan staff umn edu write you respond request for info kind fax modem question advantag bui global villag teleport gold cheaper brand supra zoom etc heard that supra and zoom us softwar complaint incompat problem supra kind incompat decid bui teleport gold possibl add voic option futur heard voic option that supra will offer thi come summer person mention modem get good review mac magazin want fastest econom sound and voic option fax modem bui for post question promis repost answer not post respond advanc regard thian sinc repost thi messag for second time hope hear folk thi topic repli regard thian
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem push media mit edu pushpind singh subject centri video problem date sat apr gmt comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors exactli problem fine switch color smaller monitor configur model centri vram card monitor mag monitor adaptor for resolut discov problem ago plug mag monitor scroll window alpha word and enter return guess bad vram hope isn design flaw appl listen pushpind singh push media mit edu find init call basic color monitor thi clear prob centri and vga type monitor exist binhex copi don and never instal thi problem soni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar will powerpc pentium resent articl macmag mhz acceler slightli slower mhz accel thi system design for stand reason that system design for quadra figur line powerpc stuff suppos run system level fast quadra system will time speed powerpc base system and wait for lap pentium pro life pro women michael amer internet michael amer fidonet org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	instal simm quick send instruct for instal simm and vram jmk cwru edu and drop extra simm and vram that for and don repli repli jmk cwru edu joe
comp.sys.mac.hardware	upgrad memori articl apr ncar ucar edu bill lhots hao ucar edu bill robert wrote origin powerbook ram and find that drag work maximum ram for thi unit and cost hope can latest and info real user post thi group bill solder logic board and ram expans slot give you thing you can upgrad maximum ram remov expans and instal expans give you total max you can call techwork memori vendor macweek macworld etc peter haas internet haas meediv lanl gov network manag lo alamo nation laboratori
comp.sys.mac.hardware	comput engr comput scienc professor mine onc differ comput engin and comput scientist mean engin make main differ that peopl write program that peopl will us databas graphic word processor etc engin write for machin control system comput your car flight control system comput control devic etc word write softwar cse write firmwar gener for part that differ not joke scott for part thi bunch bunk comput engin degre spent last year write softwar that peopl us salari distinct incorrect receiv job offer graduat two job that us hardwar experi year lower advic decid class and project interest you and pick major that you emt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem suffer video artefact configur centri vram nec happen bit colour virtual memori scroll thi occur vram simm instal remov that not not problem mention condit gersham meharg sfu canada gersham meharg meharg sfu sfu vancouv canada
comp.sys.mac.hardware	high resolut adc for mac articl clark elvex acn nwu edu clark nwu edu brian clark wrote don instrutech board plan check you care check monoton and ratio bit board board term monoton ratio accuraci etc and and dyynam rang and freedom distort that you expect good true bit convert thi not true for spectral innov board for exampl boorishli repli found instrutech inform spec us term loos follow bit convert bit accuraci khz bit accuraci khz spec for monoton linear multiplex input share singl that input not sampl time and convers spec channel sampl rate us for two channel you unknown qualiti bit khz per channel thi poorer qualiti nation instrument sampl rate bit convert spec for monoton linear each output channel convert price for extern convert box itc nubu interfac board mac driver softwar and igor xop steep
comp.sys.mac.hardware	wrong ram duo post back mention that duo crash wrong kind refresh ram duo crash sometim sleep and wonder softwar will whether not kind ram instal had thought that problem batteri connect advanc archon fung
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can you share monitor cpu centri want ibm machin save space desk us monitor for switch box thi
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem push media mit edu pushpind singh subject centri video problem date sat apr gmt comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors etc not had problem configur that elimin design flaw explan
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar articl zeu ieee org michael amer fidonet org michael amer write will powerpc pentium thi kind comparison pretti useless gener processor good good comput design adn comput us design purpos compar processor speed pretti dumb you increas clock speed increas speed thing mean can you faster give oper condit can you you run program that lot transident function know that not transident function build fpu and can you that faster hope peopl not decid wether comput good not sole processor fast processor base name can alwai thing processor speed restrict arguement for exampl pure processor architectur issu processor will work and anoth will not base design can discuss chung yang resent articl macmag mhz acceler slightli slower mhz accel thi system design for stand reason that system design for quadra figur line powerpc stuff suppos run system level fast quadra system will time speed powerpc base system and wait for lap pentium pro life pro women michael amer internet michael amer fidonet org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar dhk ubbpc dave kitabjian write intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank not good idea compar processor power doesn make sens for real world applic not for total line processor you will fit into list pentium powerpc and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz for system doubl clock speed increas perform hear explan experienc folk folk troubl repli repli command type address hand and work dave kitabjian kit ahb jyin vital statist stuff delet ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar michael amer fidonet org michael amer write will powerpc pentium not quit mhz pentium specint specfp mhz specint specfp note that specint import for real world applic specint specfp resent articl macmag mhz acceler slightli slower mhz accel thi system design for stand reason that system design for quadra figur line powerpc stuff suppos run system level fast quadra system will time speed powerpc base system and wait for lap pentium intel chip tradition faster motorola equival signific chip speed real world applic perform that highli debat pro life pro women michael amer internet michael amer fidonet org ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar rai netcom rai fischer write dhk ubbpc dave kitabjian write intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank number kind benchmark you want start specint specfp you will fit into list pentium powerpc fastest pentium version powerpc vicin number pentium mhz specint specfp powerpc mhz specint specfp note thi alpha mhz specint specfp for comparison and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz comput speed partli depend processor clock speed memori system speed plai larg role video system speed and speed processor clock rate speed memori system becom greatest factor system speed you mhz processor can read anoth word memori you can put memori your comput will cost time slower simm not clock doubl system isn doubl perform quit signific increas perform for wait state perform you cach mean processor that run speed simm note that thi memori speed correspond clock speed mhz and roughli twice fast clock speed number rai fischer convict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	comput engr comput scienc articl tecot xenon stanford edu tecot xenon stanford edu edward tecot write professor mine onc differ comput engin and comput scientist mean engin make not joke scott for part thi bunch bunk comput engin degre spent last year write softwar that peopl us salari distinct incorrect receiv job offer graduat two job that us hardwar experi year lower advic decid class and project interest you and pick major that you emt worth advic grad student agre gentlemen wrote comment import thing pick interest you and learn year educ thi field compar alot peopl had thi kind question lot make decis into electr engin oppos comput engin school that thi kind question irrelev come that choos not hardwar choos hardwar not program injustic build and comput and make for interwoven and insepar and part great disciplin and depend each advic don limit make decis base major will give you opportun learn that depend curriculum your persect school choos major that explor besid don school make student choos major sophamor year hei you interest thi field that you decid learn make comput case you suffer and grad school monei don averag you good you earn monei you superstar programm you will earn million wise you hotshot comput design chung yang
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra memori instal faq thi turn into faq violat your quadra warranti and instal your memori insert usual disclaim remov top lid machin you will floppi disk and hard drive mount plastic tower follow usual anti static precaut and make machin you thi unplug wall and monitor power suppli cord back mac remov power suppli pull plastic interlock tab tower forward and simultan pull power suppli straight tab piec plastic left posterior aspect tower extend downward hook power suppli you feel horsesho shape piec portion power suppli leav that alon plastic tab tower you releas rear tower assembl you will flat ribbon scsi connector hard drive power cabl and flat ribbon cabl lead floppi drive disconnect motherboard hard drive power cabl connector tab squeez releas unplug drive activ led clear plastic mount posterior cylindr section plastic tower phillip head screw base remov take care not drop into case bit gummi glue your screwdriv help remov tower assembl pull medial plastic tab side tower thi tab prevent tower slide posteriorli slide entir tower assembl posteriorli lift tower assembl straight and case congratul you gain access your machin simm slot six big slot for vram instal six gain video mode simm ram vram instal chip face front motherboard smaller socket front for ram simm instal simm set into socket you seat simm squar and firmli into fulli upright posit reinstal tower assembl place wall tower wall case tower assembl posterior intend posit lower tower assembl into place maintain contact wall case onc fulli slide tower assembl anteriorli click into place reconnect motherboard end cabl dont forget floppi drive cabl replac phillip head screw drop power suppli straight into place click plug hard drive activ light back into clear plastic mount gui kuo guykuo washington edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo problem bcherka netcom brian cherka write chess cat ucsc edu brian vantuyl chess write duo and difficulti machin plug wall adapt put sleep unplug wall and woken crash time noth origin system softwar machin batteri plenti life thi power manag problem don speaker occasion make high pitch hiss nois irregular favor sleep and restart command had duo for week and suffer problem reinstal system softwar twice effort combat problem think system softwar problem initi reinstal system not anymor occasion wake duo solid screen horizont line screen freez high pitch hiss occasion startup call appl hotlin so appl time and final agre astrai duo screen dim and hard drive spun itselft and put sleep thi problem occur twice appl box ship duo look york problem intermitt and can afford duo thi time problem brian cherka bcherka netcom aol brianc compuserv netcom onlin commun servic san jose quit number peopl discuss had includ bought machin coupl week ago and start experi problem appl australia dealer that thi problem number potenti faulti applic faulti parti hardwar modem memori etc system softwar pram corrupt and power manag corrupt and duo hardwar relev case last two applic run system softwar instal addit hardwar found that clear pram appear for hold command option and startup problem return suggest that pram corrupt system softwar bug don issu init system appar power manag can reset hold reset and interrupt button power appl advic sinc duo not interrupt button not mean thi case thi can deciph appl advic for thi appl suggest that you follow technic procedur check hardwar thi duo sinc problem that system softwar bug introduc line and quit recent sinc recent duo purchas thi problem comment boat appl duo engin cheer brucet bruce tulloch sydnei australia brucet extro ucc complex problem straight forward easi understand wrong answer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pixel disappear powerbook screen pixel displai disappear intermitt not place random suggest mail ari psssun pss msu edu bewar nnnnn nnnnn
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar npy new cso uiuc edu rvenkat cso uiuc edu ravikuma venkateswar write not quit mhz pentium specint specfp mhz specint specfp interest comparis fast clock cycl chip you can alpha slow mhz blaze mhz specint specfp will mhz version make compar intel chip tradition faster motorola equival signific chip speed real world applic perform that highli debat you that turn faster clock cycl power each cycl not mention that intel instruct stream byte orient longest intel instruct byte odd number make hard intellig memori subsystem cheer jon tte nada kth mac hacker delux thi articl print recycl electron
comp.sys.mac.hardware	attn and duo owner care you plug extern monitor and extern speaker make that power cord strip you don you chanc bad audio buzz thi caus ground loop and get rid thi loud buzz make that you common ground make that power cord strip outlet thi will assur you common ground tim keanini sound design timk broder broderbund softwar blast crl
comp.sys.mac.hardware	increas number serial port devic for mac will increas number serial port for us simultan connect serial devic mac for applic work access each independ such devic exist limit number serial devic can us inform appreci steven langloi slang bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	sound record for mac portabl hardwar requir and find for sound record mac portabl david hugh freenet carleton secretari nation capit freenet tkp
comp.sys.mac.hardware	asant hang scsi devic hook mac iisi rel year asant adapt base connect work charm instal newest driver asant ftp server problem begin attach devic scsi chain specif drive power drive mac mac test memori etc happi mac face show power light and boot process stop can us network extern drive not onc thi make asant box pretti unus doesn pure electr scsi problem turn drive second late that doesn notic initi scsi poll mac boot and adapt work even hard disk power and connect mac never onc fail boot intern drive and had for year chang scsi and disk permut chang order devic head tail chain overtermin extern termin devic intern undertermin remov intern resistor hard disk anoth box anoth ident drive scsi cabl thi importantli solut lot eric behr illinoi state univers mathemat depart behr math ilstu edu behr ilstu bitnet avoid
comp.sys.mac.hardware	increas number serial port slang bnr steven langloi write devic for mac will increas number serial port for us simultan connect serial devic mac for applic work access each independ appli engin make nubu card call quadralink board that contain serial port can us simultan not user instal coupl for peopl work technician hope thi help aaron swier control data corpor arden hill swier chao aqeng cdc electr engin student swier plain nodak edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	educ price grai market appl not authoris sale mail order result mail order compani obtain machin grei market thi market suppli machin authoris resel machin can sell come into thi state affair overord accident deliberatli wholsal price appl case obscur serial nunber protect ident result warranti void order mac mail order compani absolut problem you dig find true grai market dealer that sell mac authent serial number untouch ad dealer noth vat flame that legitim cda that replac serial number prevent appl trace author dealer sold that machin cda eric choi internet eric choi fidonet org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm bad mail order glimps side talk technician place recent bought mac gui told that stop ship simm custom and instal babi zap easili static electr claim hsk sie singen da alt entsagungsli da eiapopeia vom himmel womit man beruhigt wenn greint da volk den grossen luemmel ein neue li ein besser li freund will ich euch dichten wir wollen hier auf erden schon da himmelreich errichten hein
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar articl llp new cso uiuc edu rvenkat cso uiuc edu ravikuma venkateswar write stuff delet for wait state perform you cach mean processor that run speed simm note that thi memori speed correspond clock speed mhz stuff delet you calcul that figur assum even person comput board design us bank switch optimist quadrupl access speed miss hsk sie singen da alt entsagungsli da eiapopeia vom himmel womit man beruhigt wenn greint da volk den grossen luemmel ein neue li ein besser li freund will ich euch dichten wir wollen hier auf erden schon da himmelreich errichten hein
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac suck bui test suck post real messag
comp.sys.mac.hardware	had problem ibm drive machin subject line system act weird time sudden system will corrupt boot block will chew etc thi big problem for couldn even format drive properli instal hdt driver and thing reinstal system incompat exist and quantum extern drive for pure hardwar solut not viru bad softwar etc bad scsi cabl ibm wd screwei drive chuck chuck william intern pacif northwest laboratori cleveland freenet edu william ccmail pnl gov
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar skok itwd energietechnik uni stuttgart holger skok write articl llp new cso uiuc edu rvenkat cso uiuc edu ravikuma venkateswar write stuff delet for wait state perform you cach mean processor that run speed simm note that thi memori speed correspond clock speed mhz stuff delet you calcul that figur assum even person comput board design us bank switch optimist quadrupl access speed miss previou articl refer fact that you us simm mhz machin that you us simm slower machin point that you us simm mhz machin you can us simm faster mhz machin bank switch and cach not consid exampl memori access hsk ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag articl ngii bgx new ci umn edu bunt student umn edu monthian buntan write appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list plan bui pretti get confus whether come fpu not option built understand thi game regard thian you centri configur you get mac processor that built math coprocessor support understand that option fpu refer your option purchas centri fpu configur fpu appl not offer upgrad fpu system becom fpu system and unclear whether processor fpu system can replac suppli anoth vendor appl send memo point sate that centri come fpu processor cannot upgrad support fpu pin configur two chip appar not match you cannot swap for anoth appl memo hope that help kevin lohman univers book store univers washington buyer for appl comput for educ program
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag ngii bgx new ci umn edu bunt student umn edu monthian buntan write appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list perhap reason simpl market peopl put togeth brochur and price list weren clear fpu issu afteral appl literatur not correct funni notic recent that brochur mac capabl refer auto inkjet featur thi read auto inject featur correct brochur appl sinc correct older brochur can guess that edit copi inject and thought typo and chang familiar word inkjet hmmm that printer built into player write inform
comp.sys.mac.hardware	video displai mac monitor displai vertic line us mean that displai memori wrong monitor bad video card bad check monitor work fine mac check video card fine replac ram didn give answer assum wrong part motherboard don hardwar architectur macintosh can problem mac iicx advanc kuan netcom netcom name kuan yihpyng born taichung taiwan work phone compani failur analysi associ inc commonwealth drive box menlo park philosophi will
comp.sys.mac.hardware	stereo sound problem mac game problem stereo sound output quadra not total roomat problem powerbook info experi anyopn greatli appreci hook quadra home stereo system type sound mono can plai fine speaker system beep provid such indigo and record armor allei spectr spaceward game plai left channel lem thi world awesom game btw glider oid stereo system beep plai stereo speaker specif referr apocolypt begin roommat download ftp site sumex symptom rommat can run ootw doesn color run system lem game mention sound speaker mac class quadra powerbook greater centri etc stereo machin us mac and sort rememeb lem plai stereo that machin not left channel mistaken problem quad and wonder system beep plai stereo isn problem machin game apparantli written support channel stereo us mono sound mono sound come speaker spectr etc quadra and powerbook rom knowledg thi rom problem wouldn system patch thi problem for you can provid doug book dpb sdchemw ucsd edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	screen death mac mac and mac problem screen blank sometim minor physic jolt such insert floppi intern drive sometim comput left blank replac wire connect logic board and video board that jiggl wire made screen come back thi work for blank return can power suppli crt comput had problem long time ago resold joint motherboard fix turn that continu heat and cool caus annular ring shape crack develop solder effect cut video circuitri you not solder jockei you want mine electr engin buddi minut job top kellei thoma kellei boylan powerpc ibm austin kelleyb austin ibm bui and pai for opinion
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo slowdown problem system and network admin user duo specif below that slowdown problem leav duo for hour slow unaccept can second chang applic thi time complet hung reboot problem for system get into wedg configur instal system and rebuilt desktop help that network relat eudora check email minut ethernet hasn check thi problem occur undock dock time appl init don want start yank rest that problem hasn zap pram advis that idea love hear call appl found call week sundai even powerbook duo ram card tech work replac refresh card system enabl express modem includ latest softwar appl dealer for keyboard replac helen trillian rose hrose kei hrose eff org kapor enterpris inc email eff eff org for eff info electron frontier foundat flame system and network administr women not mess eff org
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	rom bought select and rush home print grayscal pictur for kid discov that grayscal and photograd not you even you run cpu you won thi printer doc and appl rep didn mention user group that rom won support featur guess that thi case buyer bewar huh appl that think problem and puzzl can defencieni rom made for softwar write softwar for live unix platform and don understand can respons ask isn mode somesuch piec soft ware such fix hope knowledg mac intern set straight simpli imposs for mac print grayscal arm info and pro gram experi cook that supplement rom capabl mac can support grayscal and photograd that select supposedli capabl short bui printer and for your bill wright wgw netcom
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag articl ferch swiss uc ubc le ferch ferch uc ubc write afteral appl literatur not correct funni notic recent that brochur mac capabl refer auto inkjet featur thi read auto inject featur correct brochur appl sinc correct older brochur can guess that edit copi inject and thought typo and chang familiar word inkjet hmmm that printer built into player write inform you cool imag top serfac gotta top surfac artwork
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	rom articl wgwc pdl netcom wgw netcom william wright write hope knowledg mac intern set straight simpli imposs for mac print grayscal arm info and pro gram experi cook that supplement rom capabl mac can support grayscal and photograd that select supposedli capabl short bui printer and for your bill wright wgw netcom us grayscal featur you mac equip colour quickdraw told thi not mention appl fact guid for appl seller press releas technic spec sean
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	pd nubu iii nubu capabl articl apr fnalf fnal gov higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write articl kzl kkb dartvax dartmouth edu hade coo dartmouth edu brian hugh write mmiller garnet msen marvin miller write friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot famili mac can us pd card not us nubu can technic hip macsling differ pd and nubu imposs make gadget that plug into pd and end nubu card cage marvin friend not locat and fundament reason for thi zap bill higgin fermi nation acceler laboratori bitnet higgin fnal bitnet internet higgin fnal fnal gov span hepnet higgin second wave make nubu card cage that work pd slot mac iisi and centri not knowledg announc such devic for lcii make technolog pd card that cage simpli nubu control circuitri present nubu mac care thi dgr pd adapt for lcii will for lciii pd nubu for peopl applic grant nubu card applic that requir nubu card full motion video captur shouldn lcii lciii mark
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	serial port problem articl qcq ginn calvin usc edu wl calvin usc edu write friend ask build cabl connect fetal heart monitor maciontosh problem sez want demo won work us run zterm and kermit intern and extern modem don powerbook per send respond test serial port work not thought that connect earth ground and connect chassi audio ground connector thought batteri power devic powerbook sometim sensit serial port weird had troubl connect mac handheld work that port not run two penlit batteri turn that accid design flaw put volt bia serial port that weird thing work fine connect printer port your screen dim connect devic you printer port good luck jami jami cox jcox ess harri phone work harri space system corp home rock barn blvd macintosh meet and drink societi rockledg florida usa speak for
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerpc rumin lciii powerpc articl apr dal seanmcd dal write articl pyramid pyramid andrem pyrtech mi pyramid andr molyneux write articl qksuq hal gnu mit edu mirski hal gnu mit edu david joshua mirski write lciii and recent heard interest rumor heard that lciii built slot for powerpc chip thi true heard that slot not pd slot that true david mirski mirski gnu mit edu iii pop top reveal socket for addit vram simm socket for pin ram simm socket for flat pack fpu processor direct slot pd ident addit set connet side for full bit data path that lack that guess board powerpc chip made that fit pd that place will nubu pd powerpc upgrad will requir logic board swap interest for appl come nubu powerpc that allow us cpu rocketshar guess that get bit fantast wonder sinc macweek report that develop seed powerpc nubu card word machin arriv estim speed last heard estim time speed quadra nativ risc mode heard appl employe mumbl arriv powerpc machin earlier date that doubt true final powerpc develop mini advertis develop univers calendar and interest sean seanmcd dal radiu specul publicli that provid powerpc base rocket for exist mac rocketshar and minu nubu acceler true boot acceler nubu bottleneck video and appl will not compet parti perhap for not mac cyclon powerpc slot advertis for daystar and such make powerpc acceler potenti problem acceler that will rom companion and appl licens radiu rocketshar us proprietari code appl line that powerpc mac will simplifi logic board due magic natur risc and that board cheaper build exist mac perhap groundbreak price mac logic board upgrad cheaper high perform cpu thi year gener powerpc will hopefulli socket cpu that chip upgrad year thi that can pull for clock doubler technic baggag doubt sinc extern buss size width thi perhap can cpu daughterboard powerbook standard facilit cpu upgrad thi area appl fallen behe intel base world perhap catchup order last week week had excel stori powerpc pentium mip dec alpha big microprocessor front for forseeabl futur worth read for technojunki latest cover stori pentium read and stori intel unstopp and preemin onc thi secur due fall intel market posit will never domin todai amd get ahead sell thi week appear competit front gear for awesom battl appl user excit that powerpc not guarante domin guarante winner even mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	network peter easier you want you work mac network togeth appletalk and phonenet connector chat us program call broadcast can send messag select machin network hope that help steed
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	syquest mac qsk usenet in cwru edu rc cwru edu robert sprecher write creativ cabl splice hook syquest remov drive mac differ gut drive cabl differ differ drive ibm and mac two main differ format disk correct softwar each can read and cabl depend your scsi board ibm you mac softawr mount ibm format disk and correct cabl you mount and read your ibm syquest good luck paul paul hardwick technic consult internet hardwick panix box for mv esa voic and parti addon fax pend paul hardwick technic consult internet hardwick panix box for mv esa voic and parti addon fax pend
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	ghost appl color user insan dear netter sister appl color displai hook problem annoi horizont ghost stripe that precess vertic onc per second high grave danger insan idea and cure for joe bett bett netcom pick displai thought rfi wors
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem info thi exabyt tapedr never work quadra sinc septemb replac cabl init don industri expert phone tapedr dealer appl dealer softwar dealer fault don last thing that need special quadra scsi termin katinka van der linden katinka fenk wau
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag ferch uc ubc le ferch write ngii bgx new ci umn edu bunt student umn edu monthian buntan write appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list perhap reason simpl market peopl put togeth brochur and price list weren clear fpu issu perhap market peopl don fpu terri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	chang port buffer size zterm kind soul told that chang serial port buffer size zterm resedit not chang resedit and lost mail address assum that relev resourc zset not and templat for that resourc you tmpl for correct resourc grate receiv that plai bit and duo serial port appletalk btw that port stat that maximum buffer byte that that mean increas buffer will you hardwar handshak can cram text data pretti fast into duo and can monitor that ct lower buffer never get byte make sens scott petrack petrack haifasc vnet ibm
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	serial line connect duo and almost sun null modem connect mac duo and us mackermit and versaterm mac side us procomm kermit and softerm side us hardwar handshak and hardwar ahdshak cabl and hand shake effort noth allow file transfer mac gener can type back and troubl side set speed baud cannot send file mac and file transfer duo not straight ascii send can send duo flawlessli can send binhex file thi quit fast and that transmiss error free straight ascii mac full error text pace slow that human type time faster human type hear transfer file duo modem null modem you can your exact combin hardwar and softwar talk true serial port modem not express modem kind soul access modem and duo can check thi for opinion that won work high speed power interrupt duo and won work low speed crazi reason don understand hear attest that can pump inform serial port duo fast modem sy dump duo absolut insan wanna problem duo duo duo check cabl time and not can type back and zterm alert user hardwar handshak and ct that hardwar handshak work and zterm port stat buffer never overflow figur scott petrack petrack haifasc vnet ibm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem articl new udel edu johnston udel edu bill johnston write articl apr mintaka lc mit edu nodin lc mit edu mark nodin write don specif problem mention your messag had scsi problem and vener jasmin megadr cartridg drive solut silverlin loop that involv blind write work drive fact loop that work macintosh softwar loop that mean doubt thi quadra specif problem had rid vener bernoulli last year cartridg purchas each make thing worth comput tech support gui ocean microsystem suggest that parti driver fix problem case cartridg wouldn format mount partit for that megadr work perfectli mac and powerbook for thi reason assum problem had quadra even quadra work problem occur eject cartridg drive start pop dialog box thi cartridg format jasmin drivewar even cartridg drive mark
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	photo shop scanner articl lgii euj ncube root ncube oper write root ncube oper subject photo shop scanner date fri apr gmt macc iici and color scanner scan pictur dpi print color printer minut make nois mac hang reboot thi mean bui memori disk free and scan pictur captain zod zod ncube you print data file tiff anoth applic such freehand pagemak found that photoshop occasion problem print file that can print applic greg gcohen mailer fsu edu infinit illus juggl suppli bewar fnord will torch call write for eat you catalog
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	iicx won turn articl rpi edu pilon aix ec rpi edu pilon wrote iicx not turn hit keyboard switch back machin doesn work can turn unplug machin for minut plug back and hit power switch back immedi sometim thi doesn even work for long time thi problem like that user experienc adventur usenet reader can rememb gui name post deserv credit for save easili fix problem can figur due time heat and repeat warmup cool down power suppli bad solder joint power suppli circuit card desold tool radio shack low wattag iron and good nonacid solder and resold lower left quadrant circuit card plug face you for you minut and save for suppli
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram peter tesla mitr org peter engel write time post dale adam appl comput and requir simm not centri requir simm you correct that quadra not centri hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	chang port buffer size zterm almaden ibm petrack vnet ibm write kind soul told that chang serial port buffer size zterm resedit not chang resedit and lost mail address assum that relev resourc zset not and chop you post net and kev kevin hay opinion necessarili dalhousi univers reflect opinion halifax nova scotia canada sue hay dal
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	increas number serial port articl apr bmer bnr slang bnr steven langloi wrote devic for mac will increas number serial port for us simultan connect serial devic mac for applic work access each independ such devic exist limit number serial devic can us inform appreci steven langloi slang bnr quadralink possibl problemat solut your us for last year person system fatal bug crept into recent bug show heavi serial traffic complet crash system macsbug can not reboot time hit restart button told januari that awar and work fix bug describ sinc not answer fax ask for statu bug fix great for mine sidelin you baud you infrequ problem sven
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra vram question daniel salber salber imag write question quadra vram find info thi not precis answer hand quadra monitor capabl bit color vram displai million color monitor you vram hand quadra monitor capabl bit color vram correct thi amount board vram that come vram simm for and put that machin bit color capabl and vram simm thi technic you vram simm leav two will not you cannot vram and document quadra vram bit color that correct thi correct you put vram simm into vram simm slot motherboard bonu question vram simm hide document power suppli power suppli access vram simm yup you power suppli coupl screw you make that disconnect and watch for static discharg
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem articl qqf usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu david kantrowitz write push media mit edu pushpind singh subject centri video problem date sat apr gmt comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors etc not had problem configur that elimin design flaw explan data point centri appl monitor and not problem dch
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm configur rc cwru edu robert sprecher write can understand current situat simm can give shot iisi will for anoth year add memori that will faster simm simm pin pin you pin simm simm todai usabl year newer power system you mean newer power mac system answer appl state that mac will us pin simm and longer us pin simm hade
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file applic initi load app default file path defin xfilesearchpath and anoth path defin xuserfilesearchpath set xfilesearchpath softwar instal your system such that app default file directori hierarchi suppos for exampl that you run sun open window and you applic instal usr lib app default you set thi for xfilesearchpath and app default file usr lib and usr openwin lib wherev your openwinhom locat setenv xfilesearchpath usr lib openwinhom lib thi environ variabl colon separ list pathnam pathnam replac charact follow xtresolvepathnam filenam paramet applic class name file type thi case liter string app default custom resourc suffix for app default languag local and codeset euc languag part territori part displai languag string codeset part displai languag string apart exampl suppos applic class name myterm suppos open window instal usr openwin notic exampl omit local specif lookup usr lib mean usr lib app default myterm openwinhom lib mean usr openwin lib app default myterm applic initi 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root root root root root root xapplresdir user home directori xapplresdir not set you set xuserfilesearchpath default ignor xapplresdir altogeth notic that quick and dirti make your applic find your app default file your current work directori set xapplresdir singl dot thi machineri work differ for compatibilti peopl set xapplresdir dot slash order callback execut courtesi donna convers convers expo lc mit edu intrins librari not guarante order thi widget writer and applic writer abil modifi entir content callback list and intrins cannot guarante order execut applic programm cannot reli widget writer widget writer not requir document widget will add and remov callback list effect thi will function contain callback independ function contain callback list even standard definit xtaddcallback callback name specifi callback list procedur append you not infer word append that callback routin call order ad callback list widget visibl courtesi donna convers convers expo lc mit edu build widget 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ftp host ftp net user anonym pass yournam yourhost dir pub ioccc last resort previou winner obtain send email address us subject send year winner year singl digit year year rang xchongo landon curt noll chongo toad xlarri bassel lab sun shar eof chmod guidelin echo restor guidelin fail set guidelin test echo origin size current size echo end part continu part exit sunnyval resid vote landon noll for sunnyval citi council seat
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express impli warranti includ limit impli warranti merchant and fit for purpos warn thi program attempt implement ioccc rule attempt made make that thi program produc entri that conform contest rule case thi program differ contest rule contest rule will us check contest rule submit entri for inform you contact judg send email address appl pyramid sun uunet hoptoad judg not address for judg toad submit entri question and comment contest rule and guidelin and chang year year you you current rule and guidelin prior submit entri obtain send email address and us subject send rule obtain winner previou contest date ftp host ftp net user anonym pass yournam yourhost dir pub ioccc last resort previou winner obtain send email address us subject send year winner year singl digit year year rang contest rule chang year year us thi program for year that intend that rule year defin below match thi current year includ stdio includ ctype includ time includ sy type includ sy stat logic ifndef true defin true endif true ifndef fals defin fals endif fals defin eof true defin eof not fals global limit defin rule year note match current year defin start date mar utc confirm receiv defin max col max column line hit defin max build size max build size defin max program size max program sourc size defin max program size max program sourc size not count whitespac and not whitespac eof defin max titl len max char titl defin max entri len max length entri input line defin max entri max number entri per person per year defin max file len max filenam length for info file send entri defin entri addr appl pyramid sun uunet hoptoad obfusc defin entri addr obfusc toad uuencod process assum ascii defin uuencod encod str int xff defin uuencod len max uuencod chunk size defin uuinfo mode mode info file uuencod file defin uubuild mode mode build file uuencod file defin uubuild name build name for build file uuencod file defin uuprog mode mode program uuencod file defin uuprog name prog name for program uuencod file encod str char val uuencod charact val xchar encod str abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz global declar xchar program name xlong start time startup time forward declar xvoid pars arg xvoid usag xfile open remark xfile open build xfile open program xfile open output xvoid output entri xvoid output remark xvoid output author xvoid output info xvoid output build xvoid output program xvoid output end xint line xvoid output till dot xint col len xvoid check xvoid uuencod xmain argc argv int argc arg count char argv arg file remark null open remark stream file build null open build file stream file prog null open program stream file output null open output stream char rname null file remark entri char bname null file contain prog built char pname null obfusc program sourc file char onam null ioccc entri output file struct startup time structur check year start time time long gmtime start time year rule year fprintf stderr warn thi program appli differ argv rule year year pars command line arg pars arg argc argv rname bname pname onam open check input and output file open and truncat output file case input file output open output onam remark open remark rname build open build bname prog open program pname output null remark null build null prog null exit output each section output entri output onam output remark output onam remark rname output author output onam output info output onam output build output onam build bname output program output onam prog pname output end output onam flush output fflush output eof fprintf stderr flush error program onam perror exit final word printf nyour entri can found you check thi file onam printf correct problem and verifi that uudecod util will printf correctli decod your build file and program printf thi program provid guid for submitt printf case conflict rule rule appli printf your respons ensur that your entri conform printf current rule printf email your entri printf entri addr printf entri addr printf us subject you email your entri printf tioccc entri exit pars arg pars command line arg command line arg thi function pars and set requir name flag thi function will return command line syntax correct xvoid xpars arg argc argv rname bname pname onam int argc arg count char argv arg char rname file remark entri char bname file contain prog built char pname obfusc program sourc file char onam ioccc entri output file char optarg flag option operand int flagnam name flag int not getopt pars arg hand program argv for argc determin flagnam argv usag notreach flagnam int argv determin flag operand flagnam argv optarg argv argc usag notreach optarg argv save flag operand correct global variabl switch flagnam case rname optarg break case bname optarg break case pname optarg break case onam optarg break default usag notreach verifi that requir flag rname null bname null pname null onam null usag notreach return usag print usag messag and exit thi function not return xvoid xusag exitv int exitv exit thi fprintf stderr usag remark build prog ioccc entri program fprintf stderr remark tfile remark entri fprintf stderr build tfile contain prog built fprintf stderr prog tthe obfusc program sourc file fprintf stderr ioccc entri tioccc entri output file exit exitv open remark open check remark file remark file indent space and not extend column max col not requir warn thi function return null format error xfile xopen remark filenam char filenam file stream open file stream char buf bufsiz input buffer int toolong number line that long int indent number line not indent space open remark input file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open remark file program filenam perror return null each line fget buf bufsiz stream null count line that not start space buf strncmp buf indent count long line col len buf max col found line that long toolong watch for error check stream filenam eof note long line need toolong fprintf stderr warn line extend column program toolong filenam fprintf stderr thi nice avoid program note indent line need indent fprintf stderr warn line not indent space program indent filenam fprintf stderr thi nice avoid program return open file rewind stream return stream open build open check build file build file not longer max build size byte thi function return null size error xfile xopen build filenam char filenam file stream open file stream struct stat statbuf statu open file open build input file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open build file program filenam perror return null determin size file fstat fileno stream statbuf fprintf stderr cannot stat build file program filenam perror return null statbuf size max build size fprintf stderr fatal build file byte long program filenam statbuf size fprintf stderr not longer byte program max build size return null return open file return stream open program open check program sourc file program sourc file byte number whitespac and char not whitespac byte thi function return null size error xfile xopen program filenam char filenam file stream open file stream struct stat statbuf statu open file int count special count size int charact read open program sourc input file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open program sourc file program filenam perror exit determin size file fstat fileno stream statbuf fprintf stderr cannot stat program sourc file program filenam perror return null statbuf size max program size fprintf stderr fatal program sourc file byte long program filenam statbuf size fprintf stderr not longer byte program max program size return null count whitespac whitespac char count fgetc stream eof whitespac isascii isspac switch case count not eof whitespac case case peek char fgetc stream eof isascii isspac not whitespac eof count ungetc stream count break default count break watch for error check stream filenam eof special size count max program size fprintf stderr fatal number byte that whitespac and program fprintf stderr that not whitespac program fprintf stderr eof byte program max program size fprintf stderr byte found program filenam count return null return open file rewind stream return stream open output open check entri output file thi function return null open error xfile xopen output filenam char filenam file stream open file stream open ioccc entri output file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open ioccc entri file for output program filenam perror exit return open file return stream output entri output entri section read need inform form stdin and write entri section xvoid xoutput entri output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char titl max titl len entri titl char buf max col buffer int entri entri number int ret field process fscanf int line line not char skip input skip file date pipe pipe date command time epoch sec second sinc epoch char write start section fprintf output entri check output onam eof not write rule year fprintf output rule rule year check output onam eof not determin thi fix printf thi fix updat resubmitt printf previou entri enter line buf buf buf printf npleas answer buf fprintf output fix check output onam eof not printf nbe that titl and entri number that you give printf entri you replac fprintf output fix check output onam eof not write titl printf nyour titl match express charact printf charact max titl len printf suggest not requir that titl printf incorpor your usernam printf case multipl author part usernam printf author printf enter your titl prompt and read line line line titl max titl len max col printf ntitl long enter continu verifi pattern not regexp hand isascii int titl isalnum int titl titl titl printf ninvalid charact titl printf enter your titl line for titl isascii int isalnum int printf ninvalid charact titl printf enter your titl line line fprintf output titl titl check output onam eof not 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file char buf bufsiz input output buffer write start section fprintf output remark check output onam eof not copi remark file section fget buf bufsiz remark null fput buf output check output onam eof not check remark rname eof that remark section end newlin buf strlen buf fputc output check output onam eof not output author output author section read need inform stdin and write author section multipl author exist multipl author section will written xvoid xoutput author output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char buf max col buffer int auth true author note int auth cnt number author process prompt user for author section printf nenter inform each author your entri printf and contest deadlin judg start date printf will attempt email back confirm author place author inform for each author individu section write start section fprintf output author check output onam eof not write author printf nauthor name auth cnt line buf max col max col printf nname long enter fprintf output name buf check output onam eof not write organ printf nenter school compani organ author auth cnt printf nauthor org auth cnt line buf max col max col printf nline long enter fprintf output org buf check output onam eof not write address printf nenter postal address for author includ auth cnt printf your countri and not includ your name output till dot output onam addr write email address printf nenter email address for author us address auth cnt printf regist domain site you give printf form list per line output till dot output onam email write anonym statu printf nshould author remain anonym enter auth cnt line buf buf buf printf npleas answer fprintf output anon buf check output onam eof not determin anoth author printf ni anoth author enter line buf buf buf printf npleas answer buf auth true auth fals auth true return output info output info section read need inform stdin and write info section multipl info file exist multipl info section will written xvoid xoutput info output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char infonam max file len filenam buffer char yorn answer char uunam name uuencod file infil info file stream prompt user for info inform printf ninfo file us supplement your entri printf for exampl info file provid sampl input detail printf inform your entri supplement printf entri not requir exist anoth info file save uuencod printf you info file includ enter line yorn yorn yorn printf npleas answer yorn read filenam printf nenter info filenam line infonam max file len printf ninfo filenam long enter comput basenam info filenam remov trail newlin uunam infonam strlen infonam uunam avoid rindex shrrchr compat issu hand for uunam uunam infonam uunam uunam uunam break attempt open info file infil fopen infonam infil null fprintf stderr cannot open info file program infonam perror continu write start section fprintf output info check output onam eof not uuencod info file uuencod output onam infil infonam uuinfo mode uunam printf ndo you anoth info file includ enter line yorn yorn yorn printf npleas answer return output build output build section read need inform stdin and write build section xvoid xoutput build output onam build bname file output entri output file stream char onam name output file file build open build file stream char bname name build file write start section fprintf output build check output onam eof not uuencod program file uuencod output onam build bname uubuild mode uubuild name return output program output program section read need inform form stdin and write program section xvoid xoutput program output onam prog pname file output entri output file stream char onam name output file file prog open program stream char pname name program file write start section fprintf output program check output onam eof not uuencod program file uuencod output onam prog pname uuprog mode uuprog name return output end output end section read need inform form stdin and write end section xvoid xoutput end output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file write final section termin fprintf output end check output onam eof not return line answer stdin thi function will flush stdout case prompt pend and read answer thi function return line long length line includ newlin line thi function not return error eof xint xget line buf siz maxcol char buf input buffer int siz length input includ newlin int maxcol max col allow disabl check int length length input line flush termin output fflush stdout read line fget buf siz stdin null report problem check stdin stdin eof not for newlin length strlen buf buf length int eatchar char eaten newlin found line long eat rest line eatchar fgetc stdin eatchar eof eatchar check stdin stdin eof not report situat return watch for long line need maxcol length maxcol col len buf maxcol report situat return return length return length output till dot output set line read thi routin will read set line not includ singl line read format output leader tfirst line tnext line tnext line thi routin will not return error eof xvoid xoutput till dot output onam leader file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char leader lead text for line char buf bufsiz input buffer int count line read int fals true finish read input instruct user input printf nto end input enter line singl period read line eof count issu prompt printf count leader fflush stdout line line buf bufsiz max col printf nline long enter continu note read strcmp buf true write line read fprintf output count leader buf check output onam eof not line read output count fprintf output leader check output onam eof not return col len determin highest that string reach string thi routin return that string reach string print column tab stop assum start xint xcol len string char string string examin int col current column char current char scan string for col string note column shift col col col col return highest column return col check check for eof error stream not return eof error xvoid xcheck stream name eof file stream stream check char name name thi stream int eof eof eof not test for error ferror stream fprintf stderr error program name perror exit test for eof eof eof not feof stream fprintf stderr eof program name exit return uuencod uuencod file perform uuencod process ident process perform uuencod util thi routin implement algorithm describ uuencod bsd reno man page xvoid xuuencod output onam infil inam umod unam file output output file stream char onam output filenam file infil input file stream char inam input filenam int umod mode put uuencod file char unam name put uuencod file char buf uuencod len uuencod buffer int read len actual number char read int val bit chunk buf char filler filler uuencod pad text char output initi uuencod header fprintf output begin umod unam check output onam eof not clear input buffer for buf buf sizeof buf sizeof buf will process uuencod len char time form singl output line each time read len fread buf sizeof buf uuencod len infil charact length charact fputc uuencod read len output check output onam eof not will convert bit time will convert set bit into set uuencod bit for buf read len read len bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not end uuencod len line fputc output check output onam eof not clear input buffer don depend bzero memset for buf buf sizeof buf sizeof buf check last read input file check infil inam eof write end uuencod file fprintf output nend uuencod filler check output onam eof not shar eof chmod mkentri echo restor mkentri fail set mkentri test echo origin size current size obfusc info echo extract obfusc info text sed shar eof obfusc info obfusc contest inform xcopyright landon curt noll larri bassel xall right 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comp.windows.x	xwd gif convers sourc code can creat window dump gif format convert xwd window dump file into gif format can manipul do pcx bmp etc shane cleveland freenet edu rutger devon gizmon csthoma god bless pagan simpson
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comp.windows.x	xwindow opaqu for parent window paint area child not implement rubberband across multipl xwindow select object that displai each window hauk
comp.windows.x	memori xserver actual size question due featur pex drag drop applic link for exampl motif motif memori xserver termin limit memori swap question possibl determin protocol call size free memori xserver can determin for exampl whether start pex applic css client side server side memori repli mail summar sincerli matthia matthia pfuetzner work home darmstadt frg zgdv wilhelminenstrass lichtenbergstrass pfuetzner igd fhg pfuetzner zgdvda keith packard that chang releas number
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comp.windows.x	chang olwm icon wonder chang window icon olwm for thing xterm default pretti lame answer can find appreci matt clark
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comp.windows.x	xrdb xdefault unchang resourc problem brian wilson wscrawl wonder interact conferenc program run openwindow sparc default xdefault file wscrawl telepointernam kevin wscrawl syncscrollbar true wscrawl continuoustelepoint true wscrawl showpointercoordin fals wscrawl background lightblu wscrawl swindow foreground yellow wscrawl draw area frame foreground blue wscrawl keyboardfocuspolici pointer natur exit server and restart ad line xdefault run cmdtool pwd home dir xrdb xdefault and start wscrawl default us properli wonder that can oper manual invok afor mention xrdb command xrdb xdefault default won chang xrdb call xinitrc file xrdb home xdefault xrdb home xdefault ad xrdb home kbw xdefault begin end openwin init file notion for kevin weinrich comput scienc corp kbw helio ath epa gov
comp.windows.x	kei definit emac us emac and want custom keyboard set stuff emac keymap and defin kei can access kei termin keyboard can home end pgup pgdn keycod feel thi can fix emac that xmodmap stuff can check faq and post similar messag gnu emac respons emac file insid cond string match xterm getenv term don thi defvar xterm map make spars keymap keymap for xterm special kei defin kei esc map xterm prefix fset xterm prefix xterm map kei defin kei xterm map goto line defin kei xterm map line defin kei xterm map rmail defin kei xterm map replac string defin kei xterm map end line defin kei xterm map kill line defin kei xterm map yank defin kei xterm map begin line defin kei xterm map end line defin kei xterm map scroll defin kei xterm map scroll kei etc can kei defin kei xterm map set mark command andrew jaff ajaff oddjob uchicago edu dep astronomi and astrophys chicago elli av chicago fax
comp.windows.x	properti problem articl wsmart tai mc dunde bill smart write number back client appatom xinternatom displai applicationwindow true xgetwindowproperti displai defaultrootwindow displai appatom fals window return type return format nitem return bar return place and appear back valid not number return number window number store properti return place incorrect pointer not integ xgetwindowproperti alloc memori copi data and return pointer memori you free memori you ken lee klee synopt
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comp.windows.x	problem libxmu suno and gcc patch suno patch post export option appli patch olit libxmu compil fine us client bmtoa and twm error can not figur wrong gcc fpcc struct return twm gram lex deftwmrc add window list twm pars menu event resiz util version iconmgr cursor icon usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xmu lxmu lib extens lib lib extens lib lxext extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl warn file extens lib libxext attempt multipl inclus file libxext undefin referenc symbol file xtappsetwarningmsghandl lib xmu libxmu xtscreendatabas lib xmu libxmu xtdisplaystringconversionwarn lib xmu libxmu xterrormsg lib xmu libxmu xtrealloc lib xmu libxmu xtismanag lib xmu libxmu xtmalloc lib xmu libxmu xtgetapplicationresourc lib xmu libxmu xtownselect lib xmu libxmu xtgetconstraintresourcelist lib xmu libxmu xtcalloc lib xmu libxmu xtname lib xmu libxmu xtstringconversionwarn lib xmu libxmu xtappsettypeconvert lib xmu libxmu xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext lib xmu libxmu xtgetresourcelist lib xmu libxmu xtfree lib xmu libxmu xtdestroywidget lib xmu libxmu xtgetvalu lib xmu libxmu xtwarningmsg lib xmu libxmu xttranslatecoord lib xmu libxmu xtcvtstringtofont lib xmu libxmu xtwidgettoapplicationcontext lib xmu libxmu xtwarn lib xmu libxmu xtcreatewidget lib xmu libxmu xtwindowofobject lib xmu libxmu xtvasetvalu lib xmu libxmu xtappwarningmsg lib xmu libxmu xtgetselectionvalu lib xmu libxmu xtresolvepathnam lib xmu libxmu fatal symbol referenc error output written twm error code dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	event propag problem bug and creat two window child root event mask buttonpressmask keypressmask child not propag mask buttonpressmask keypressmask keypress event discard buttonpress event fall subwindow set fyi xnew olvwm fundament wrong
comp.windows.x	motif athena etc articl apr nrao edu rgooch csiro richard gooch write involv peopl linux stai cut bleed edg kernel patch librari compil patch come peopl rebuild entir system prime requir for linux softwar that gnu style public licens linux softwar athena widget xview individu write softwar requir motif doubt wide adopt shameless plug xaw widget make athena nicer altern stock mit athena code mike michael connor internet mjo fmsrl srl ford ford motor compani opeo fmsrl opeo mjo rotunda bldg phone dearborn fax
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comp.windows.x	imag process packag for packag that implement standard imag process function read write standard format clip zoom etc implement public domain and privat packag interest applic area mind medic imag packag meant for gener context accept repli will summar net gener interest prateek mishra mishra sbc sunysb edu
comp.windows.x	xcopyplan question articl neko css gov nanci neko css gov nanci marin write us xcopyplan copi singl plane depth pixmap depth pixmap everytim thi absolut noth displai data depth pixmap becuas check xcopyarea screen code fragment reason your logic valid appear bit deep pixmap doesn mean bit plane contain data you each plane ken lee klee synopt
comp.windows.x	chang dpy max request size articl zlo world std world std oliv jone write articl netnew upenn edu mcclenn dingdong ci upenn edu nennelccm nodrog write chang maximum request size for server ordinarili set highest underli can and you don want chang thi you run imag type applic steve hsteve hydra unm edu hsteve carina unm edu vm
comp.windows.x	interfac access separ appl articl expo lc mit edu dbohdal jaguar ess harri write dear xpert problem design relat applic each separ execut and build singl control window that user access each applic locat correct icon control window button for each applic and press applic main window us applic button color statu indic thi good idea separ execut thi commun nightmar wrong idea and motif dbohdal jaguar ess harri can two method that you us fork and execv us system call your program assum that you run unix steve hsteve hydra unm edu hsteve carina unm edu vm
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comp.windows.x	keyboard focuss two motif widget control keyboard and mous set keyboard focu widget click mous second lose keyboard focu kind soul show thi dev hollywood acsc
comp.windows.x	kei definit emac articl apr midwai uchicago edu ajaff oddjob uchicago edu andrew jaff write us emac and want custom keyboard set stuff emac keymap and defin kei can access kei termin keyboard can home end pgup pgdn keycod feel thi can fix emac that xmodmap stuff can wors you problem and emac intern tabl defin kei will accept and thi tabl system depend us sun and cannot shift pageup work xmodmap not suffici haven work make work can ordinari pageup and shift cursorright work and customis thing note that emac problem and exactli xmodmap and emac configur nick maclaren univers cambridg comput laboratori museum site pembrok street cambridg england email nmm cu cam tel fax
comp.windows.x	problem libxmu suno and gcc articl qmt waii dla waii doug acker write patch suno patch post export option appli patch olit libxmu compil fine us client bmtoa and twm error can not figur wrong gcc fpcc struct return twm gram lex deftwmrc add window list twm pars menu event resiz util version iconmgr cursor icon usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xmu lxmu lib extens lib lib extens lib lxext extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl warn file extens lib libxext attempt multipl inclus file libxext undefin referenc symbol file xtwindowofobject lib xmu libxmu fatal symbol referenc error output written twm error code problem that sunpost not defin dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari continu build problem stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tab screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xaw lxaw lib xmu lxmu lib lxt extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl ltermcap undefin referenc symbol file index usr ucblib libtermcap termcap rindex usr ucblib libtermcap termcap fatal symbol referenc error output written xterm error code make fatal error command fail for target xterm clue for dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	dynam chang titl bar for program can insert into code that will titl bar chang window dynamicli locat don creat thi scratch advanc bob hosid dloslv xerox
comp.windows.x	mit sun rasterop colorboard run mit base xserver sun rasterop colorboard bit board xsun patch for support sun bit frame buffer rasterop cgtwelv noth rasterop bui put ipx cheer mark
comp.windows.x	svr binari dist rfd creat comp unix sy univel articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu der mous wrote you confus socialist hacker yell proprietari softwar enamor motif objection that mindset new wear socialist hacker hat for moment tar new and motif brush and that brush not technic beg pardon not slam motif necessarili plug flame two respond sweet blith statement rick digibd rick digibd digibd rick richardson rick thi area microsoft big advantag sinc rick control show issu thi rick license creat incompat defacto standard thi happi statement show mindset that inventor and compani pleas that work and that will happi us rememb sunview hot stuff and not that statement endors sun and product thi experi and openwindow hot stuff that start hear mention socialist mass that bent destroi that deem proprietari includ openwindow mention motif breath that sun decid turn attent not hate richardson posit healthi and that seeth hacker will flame and destroi show want free and complain organ structur and facto standard vent for frustrat brought prevail wind mr henn
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comp.windows.x	troubl compil suno articl apr head cfa harvard edu dmm head cfa harvard edu david meleedi write compil patchlevel sun sparc ipx suno and gcc problem occur initi make world get compil standard client can find librari highli suspect program updat for yip had problem fix found link static client btw us francisco ballestero nemo email nemo clip dia upm org comput scienc clip lab phone campu montegancedo boadilla del mont madrid spain
comp.windows.x	server multi screen rainer sun eeam elin rainer hochreit write xpert simpl question for you lot term mean thing can give exact definit term mean multi screen multi head multi displai server zaphod mode limit screen displai singl server can handl articel read upper limit capabl call want move cursor screen displai anoth hint rainer rainer hochreit telephon elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europ mail rainer elin client displai server limit memori your server alloc server indecis kei timothi neto flexibl you can gadget widget work mail god flight system lab boe comm aircraft idea not boe internet ten fsl boe
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comp.windows.x	raster and text widget view xew version version xew widget export lc mit edu contrib xew tar export lc mit edu contrib xew readm for detail check readm for extens detail you xew haven had time updat thi function ad sinc version raster widget handl expos event slightli intellig had thi ad simpl program that athena porthol and panner widget program demo viewer simpl demonstr panner porthol usag copi editr markku savela savela tel vtt technic research centr finland telecommun laboratori otakaari espoo finland
comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari dla waii doug acker write continu build problem stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tab screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xaw
comp.windows.x	question window id articl wnk aquif geologi uiuc edu wnk aquif geologi uiuc edu walter kreil write program run workstat base window system can pop window run top window mean termin window invok can applic not start termin emul termin emul not exist and condit pop ped top iconifi and even you can not you want virtual root window manag tvtwm relev window portion virtual desktop that real desktop not termin emul provid environ variabl give window even such thing present environ not you want correspond window server for exampl der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
comp.windows.x	server multi screen articl qlop sgp sun eeam elin rainer sun eeam elin rainer hochreit write lot term mean thing can give exact definit term mean multi screen multi head multi displai server zaphod mode appli server fuzzi term multi head us for system multipl monitor sometim even multipl screen even multiplex monitor sun displai multi screen and multi displai strictli mean thing sinc strict mean multi displai refer system multipl keyboard and pointer us refer thing multi screen system that multipl screen zaphod term appli mit server switch pointer screen anoth slide side screen limit screen displai singl server can handl articel read upper limit protocol limit that restrict displai screen server that handl multipl displai singl invoc possibl kludg server can look such tcp base system necessarili limit displai per machin thi not limit inher you read like talk limit implement mit claim limit inher author articl had busi write der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
comp.windows.x	creat bit window bit displai articl apr fwi uva stolk fwi uva bram write server that visual pseudocolor bit truecolor bit and directcolor bit lucki dog problem occur creat window visual that visual parent default visual xlib refer guid reilli can read section xcteatewindow current implement visual parent creat find suitabl colourmap us window attribut creat badmatch occur thi warn strang mention newer edit guid appli equal forc earlier version recent author decid import mention necess refer implicit createwindow request default attribut window even pass suitabl colourmap badmatch creat window default visual attr colormap cmap win xcreatewindow copyfrompar border width depth inputoutput class vinfo visual visual cwcolormap attr thi warn you read incomplet you provid not colormap border default border copyfrompar not valid window depth doesn match parent border pixmap correct depth border pixel and problem anoth problem can find that copyfrompar make sens border width paramet xcreatewindow your xlib implement defin copyfrompar simplifi convers wire format you unwittingli ask for border width due xlib implement not provid stricter type check fair not for xlib catch thi der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
comp.windows.x	memori xserver actual size articl igd fhg pfuetz igd fhg matthia pfuetzner write possibl determin protocol call size free memori xserver even you answer date even you even you grab server buffer user action you you want badalloc error your indic that insuffici server memori der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
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comp.windows.x	german keyboard and sparc clae polari heinz josef clae write sparc german type keyboard patch for export lc mit edu pub sunkbd tar maf martin forssen maf dtek chalmer maf math chalmer system administr math and dtek chalmer univ technolog
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comp.windows.x	macx color problem stan kerr write type client window displai part window wrong color window move slightli forc server repaint repaint correct color doesn happen exact problem run hewlett packard microwav design system md unix box and run macx sy md draw window deep blue backround occasion becom light blue and text etc insid window becom wash invis thought that brain dead that subtl conflict anoth app init slightli move window and forc draw color correct harri wolfson wolfson mit edu
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comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari dla waii doug acker write continu build problem stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tab screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xaw lxaw lib xmu lxmu lib lxt extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl ltermcap undefin referenc symbol file index usr ucblib libtermcap termcap rindex usr ucblib libtermcap termcap fatal symbol referenc error output written xterm error code make fatal error command fail for target xterm clue for add lucb lelf list defin index and rindex strchr and strrchr us arg bsd sysv ahold room ankersmidplein zaandam netherland eec dick heijn ccsd ahold tel fax
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comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari apr gmt dla waii doug acker doug nntp post host waii doug continu build problem stuck build xterm doug undefin referenc doug symbol file doug index usr ucblib libtermcap termcap doug rindex usr ucblib libtermcap termcap doug fatal symbol referenc error output written xterm problem that you build librari path unset run path dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	troubl compil suno articl schneck physik muenchen schneck physik muenchen bernhard schneck write nemo aguirr dia upm francisco ballestero write problem occur initi make world get compil standard client can find librari highli suspect program updat for yip had problem fix found link static client btw us us suno read fix and mit distribut thi problem appli fix and set sunpost fcsld and osteenyvers mit config sun fix you run suno and you appli sun patch you will edit your site def and add thi line aftervendorcf section defin sunpost fcsld fix you run suno chang osteenyvers mit config sun fix note thi patch fix config make suno fail tree previous built sean welch
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comp.windows.x	tabl widget caus troubl xtquerygeometri content problem tabl widget part program user interfac for simul system work refus version not xptablewidgetclass us tablewidgetclass caught net time and xptablechildposit xttblposit sinc compil program width height error sparc station troubl shooter comput model init tabl tabl widget child label and asciitext widget exist xtquerygeometri return prefer width and height asign cannot perform set width and height newli creat widget xtpopup xtmanag child creat width height error depend whether width and height shell widget set resourc file not question xtquerygeometri return low prefer valu work tabl widget perhap happi german request answer german siegfri kaiser email kaiser uniko uni koblenz part interest graphisch neuaufbau de model init formular store width and height viewport widget parent troubl tabl widget viewport widget destroi destroi widget resiz relict ag model init pop xtunmapwidget model init form view xtdestroywidget model init form view creat subtre shell root viewport widget xtsetarg arg xtnfromvert model init titl xtsetarg arg xtnfromhoriz model init button view xtsetarg arg xtnallowvert true xtsetarg arg xtnforcebar true model init form view xtcreatewidget form view viewportwidgetclass model init form arg model init tabl xtcreatewidget tabl xptablewidgetclass model init form view arg creat form widget creat and posit tabl widget child posit xptabl childposit and xttblposit creat form widget ptr model init obj model init tabl crucial function call intend return maximum height isn suffici space show tabl widget viewport grow larg not border screen space window intend shrienk smallest height xtquerygeometri model init tabl null pref algorithm idea viewport widget height select pref height lead height form view height pref height height pref height height form view height set valu viewport widget ancestor xtnametowidget model init form form view xtresizewidget width height pref border width xtresizewidget model init form view width height pref border width model init pop case shell contain model init form view and model init tabl allreadi exist resiz xtsetarg arg xtnwidth shell width xtsetarg arg xtnheight shell height xtsetarg arg xtnborderwidth shell xtgetvalu model init shell arg xtresizewidget model init shell shell width shell height height height shell end xtsetarg arg xtnwidth width xtsetarg arg xtnborderwidth xtgetvalu model init button view arg xtresizewidget model init button view width height xtresizewidget vert bar sbar width sbar resiz init shell height set resourc file program termin xtmanagechild second pass observ function pass succe xtmanagechild model init form view xtmanagechild model init tabl model init pop case shell isn pop set shell height resourc file program termin xtpopup model init shell xtgrabnon model init pop flag true set model init attribut end actual init ptr actual load form ptr actual suspect creation tabl widget content troubl sourc creat form creat form widget ptr tabl obj ptr widget tabl ptr linear list contain attribut and para meter model and addition correspon ding widget arg arg int row col obj ptr obj ident ptr ident initi local variabl ptr obj ptr col row schleif ueber die objekt bzw da pseudo objekt fuer die paramet loop list object and pseudo object object occur model attribut and paramet can share object local attribut object list second linear list type ident paramet can belong ject put togeth pseudo object program loop list object and pseudo object and for each object list attribut resp paramet ptr obj obj null each object and pseudo object repres label widget xtsetarg arg xtnlabel ptr obj name ptr obj label xtcreatemanagedwidget object labelwidgetclass tabl arg xptablechildposit ptr obj label col row col row ptr ident ptr obj ident schleif ueber die objekt attribut bzw paramet ptr ident ident null each attribut and paramet repres label and asciitext widget initi xtsetarg arg xtnlabel ptr ident name ptr ident label xtcreatemanagedwidget ident labelwidgetclass tabl arg xptablechildposit ptr ident label col row col xtsetarg arg xtnlength row length xtsetarg arg xtnstring ptr ident text xtsetarg arg xtnedittyp xawtextedit xtsetarg arg xtnwrap xawtextwrapword xtsetarg arg xtnresiz xawtextresizeheight xtsetarg arg xtnusestringinplac true ptr ident text xtcreatemanagedwidget text asciitextwidgetclass tabl arg xptablechildposit ptr ident text col row col row ident ptr ident end col obj ptr obj end end creat form widget problem detail
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comp.windows.x	xlib for window not xserver anoth compani congruent corpor york citi port xlib and motif window full client develop for applic environ you port interview window thought interview toolkit class that can built xlib class call xlib function steve steven mike editor journal eastbrook martinsvil offic fax serv window system commun
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comp.windows.x	solut xrdb xdefault unchang short answer don packag wscrawl reset default miss xdefault file onc ad miss xdefault file problem kevin kevin weinrich comput scienc corp kbw helio ath epa gov
comp.windows.x	icon box dear xpert want place specif group icon icon box and icon box can thi and motif dbohdal jaguar ess harri
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comp.windows.x	dec pixmap size articl igd fhg haas igd fhg helmut haas goebel write creat pixmap larger size screen program will termin displai messag error badalloc insuffici resourc server support graphic acceler not creation pixmap exeed size screen workaround creat smaller pixmap and add result ken lee klee synopt
comp.windows.x	circular motif widget articl bjg acsc dev hollywood acsc write will support for round circular widget motif releas love circular knob widget us slider support you don that prohibit you implement such widget you will write your version function that draw shadow and travers highlight ken lee klee synopt
comp.windows.x	desqview articl qtk picasso cssc syd tansu gpatapi boyd tansu write articl aecl harrisp aecl write us desqview and great shine imho unix user log into and run do and window applic displai screen you desqview desqview suggest retail desqview system suggest retail you run support network ftp softwar pctcp novel lan workplac for do sun microsystem nf beam and whitesid wollongong pathwai tcpip microsoft lan manag you don thi network stuff quarterdeck will give you copi novel tcpip transprot for do network manag you can info send email appropri info qdeck info qdeck custom servic depart you technic question you can write support qdeck opinion you want peopl log and run applic your you want meg ram xwindow softwar desqviewx tseng lab chipset base graphic card person found that thing ran scsi drive esdi drive that experi sort traffic gener call curiou find requir bandwidth that link machin run support multipl user client and requir adequ respons time idea expect limit factor will your server machin not network give you real world exampl quarterdeck roughli peopl dvx talk bunch unix box novel file server and each not load ethernet concentr you peopl each segment you had badli load net app you want run network intens you run into slowdown biggest problem machin you plenti ram and fast hard disk and network card you peopl run program you slowdown you effect mhz dvx will attempt task idl and make give time slice you work program run you that you can tweak program run ad call give time slice idl and that sort thing you run peopl machin you start slowdown thi time network bandwidth depend program you slowdown bandwidth lot sooner your app network thing quarterdeck offic system internet support tom bortel price order info qdeck tech question support qdeck bb fax compuserv quarterdeck fax touch tone phone for technot demand
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comp.windows.x	put rpc motif environ articl apr sol ctr columbia edu nchan nova ctr columbia edu nui chan write implement rpc server xwindow sun xview notifi enabl rpc svc call that automat execut rpc process detect incom request similar function motif that perform function xrpc packag for year export ian hogg ianhogg umn edu
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comp.windows.x	macx color problem articl kul cso uiuc edu kerr cso uiuc edu stan kerr write peculiar color problem macx appl macintosh server problem happen current version and version type client window displai part window wrong color window move slightli forc server repaint repaint correct color doesn happen for xterm window happen for graphic window and motif client expect that your colormap full and applic start cannot add color that colormap pick and choos exist color thi make ugli window get prioriti macx colormap that select app get exact color want applic make colormap thi problem color server color xserver demand applic exce size colormap solut avoid colormap greedi app and displai applic color ic cake monochrom mode color thi option for applic doug shaker voic fax email dshaker qualix mail qualix group norfolk san mateo qualix maintain mailserv inform file and demo version product you inform mailserv send email qfact qualix uunet qualix qfact email form begin send send index end name address phone
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window figur make window manag place window creat window command tell applic reason don want set overrid redirect want embellish that window manag want accept choic locat twm tvtwm and mwm and uncoop ethan
comp.windows.x	mysteri beep articl qtkk cup defaria cup andi defaria write articl crosspost window author andi defaria post mon apr gmt for reason code applic beep whenev intercept keystrok and chang mean intent thi code date field special kei insert todai date bump dai bump dai hardcod date for thi exampl perhap shouldn xmtext field for thi for reason code beep whenev special kei hit idea thi code interpret kei special mean impli code rid beep can not beep and lose understand and beep occur code delet xmtextfield man page discuss resourc xmnverifybel specifi whether bell will sound action revers verif callback you set doit fals callback and text field beep turn thi behavior set thi boolean resourc fals tom mcfarland tommc
comp.windows.x	monthli question xcopyarea and expos event post question that doesn answer suppos you idl app realiz and map window that contain xlib graphic button widget press will item drawn window thi action not call xcopyarea equiv directli regist exist item memori structur and expos event handler that handl regular expos event window manag driven exposur care render imag expos event handler proper thi time handler call xlib window guarante map problem that expos event gener window visibl and map tickl window that expos handler hit argument that will enabl render part window that contain item tickl window produc thi behavior understand your problem correctli you want send exposur your manag widget your app specif code draw xlib graphic window sound you want send exposur xsendev and region you region you send exposur gener you bound rectangl object you can us xcreateregion creat region xunionrectwithregion add object polygon region and us region clip your for redraw us xrectinregion test your object redrawn keep mind that stack order overlap object affect hope help brian deali not know deali kong gsfc nasa gov that import know uunet dftsrv kong deali not dylan brian deali not know deali kong gsfc nasa gov that import know uunet dftsrv kong deali not dylan
comp.windows.x	ftp address kerbero version draft rfc
comp.windows.x	find appcontext call give applic context fix motif program and us xtappaddtimeout argument app context call can us give thi todd green masc ucssun sdsu edu
comp.windows.x	xcopyplan question articl buzz apr lion bear buzz bear buzz moschetti write articl whalei apr sigma kpc whalei sigma kpc ken whalei write faq popular reason graphic don show you wait for expos event draw your rectangl suppos you idl app realiz and map window that contain xlib graphic button widget press will item drawn window thi action not call xcopyarea equiv directli regist exist item memori structur and expos event handler care render imag that time guarante that window map problem that expos event gener window visibl and map you tickl window that expos event handler will invok draw thi item thi origin question previous state that xcopyarea depth pixmap screen make that imag had data and thi not problem expos event xcopyplan not work code fragment send demonstr that xcopyplan work thi help nanci marin net nanci neko css gov ensco inc mail pineda melbourn fax
comp.windows.x	wcl for solari version wcl that port solari includ ansi had numer problem compil wcl solari and function not prototyp wcl sun user group cd email answer not thi list tom tulinski capit manag scienc west lo angel manual address answer zuma tom netcomsv netcom
comp.windows.x	xwininfo want equival xwininfo name call set call xlib map window name easi program for you sourc code simpli mit client xwininfo xwininfo and you will find exactli adrian nye reilli and associ
comp.windows.x	work problem schedul classroom and will you softwar paper articl you relat lorenza illan
comp.windows.x	xcopyplan question articl whalei apr sigma kpc whalei sigma kpc ken whalei write faq popular reason graphic don show you wait for expos event draw your rectangl suppos you idl app realiz and map window that contain xlib graphic button widget press will item drawn window thi action not call xcopyarea equiv directli regist exist item memori structur and expos event handler care render imag that time guarante that window map problem that expos event gener window visibl and map you tickl window that expos event handler will invok draw thi item specif made comment assum that perhap code fragment simpl open draw quit client per your question not button handler add object and call window redraw directli depend applic structur problem render object directli respons button press ken kenneth whalei kubota pacif comput inc email whalei kpc walsh avenu santa clara
comp.windows.x	mwm titl drag crash server sigpip environ mach arch sparc sun ipx suno patchlevel motif bring server startx and usr bin xsun sequenc action crash server sigpip errno xinit report that connexion server lost xinit xsun start mwm start client dpi dpi font move window drag titl bar server dump core due sigpip two messag print connect server lost connect broken errno report client and second server ran xdm debug level set action xdm report select return server for termin unexpectedli statu note problem doesn occur window manag twm olwm not set librari path not run font server start client fix width font not thi problem font path usr lib font misc usr lib font speedo usr lib font dpi usr lib font dpi mkfontdir usr lib font dpi usr lib font dpi usr lib font pex usr lib font speedo and usr lib font misc thi problem occur ipx machin not thi problem ipc workstat question hell goin statu mean server greatli hint problem ramakrishnan dept mcbryde hall vatech
comp.windows.x	xlock found odditi sgi indigo mip chip xlock nolock run and work remot batch mode runtim program time clock code slower xlock not run process affect runtim thi consist explan real imagin dale frostedflak llnl gov
comp.windows.x	intrins slow popup run sampl problem reilli volum intris program manual chapter popup dialog box and exampl page creat pop dialog box applic creat window button quit and press button press pop dialog box strang featur thi program that pop dialog box faster time pop time time slower experi sampl program thi behaviour fast respons time for time slow respons time time onward can give idea program popup that each time popup reason fast respons time thankyou shirlei
comp.windows.x	put rpc motif environ articl new ci umn edu ianhogg milli umn edu ian hogg write articl apr sol ctr columbia edu nchan nova ctr columbia edu nui chan write implement rpc server xwindow sun xview notifi enabl rpc svc call that automat execut rpc process detect incom request similar function motif that perform function xrpc packag for year export glad hear that work for you couldn find export simon leinen simon liasun epfl ad imakefil and athena version and made for ftp file liasun epfl pub contrib xrpc tar note suffix you gnu gzip liasun pub gnu uncompress thi doesn work send note and happi mail you copi you won start holidai tomorrow martin janzen janzen mprgate mpr mpr teltech nelson burnabi canada dublin folk that want for pint guin mulligan
comp.windows.x	draw line invers xor write code that let draw line and rubber band box motif run bit displai for creat colormap and almost color want draw line draw area widget widget displai bitmap xputimag doesn matter line draw interact stai window refresh draw interact begin drawindex colort index reserv for foreground default color color index for background imag palett color drawindex red palett color default color red palett color drawindex green palett color default color green palett color drawindex blue palett color default color blue xstorecolor mydisplai cmap palett color drawindex xflush mydisplai xsetfunct mydisplai gxxor xsetforeground mydisplai drawindex draw xdrawlin mydisplai xtwindow drawingarea xflush mydisplai and return thing normal xsetfunct mydisplai gxcopi happen for line draw invers draw happen white line line white background noth show line black area noth show strang gxxor function sinc rubber band box eras and redraw correctli not disturb underli imag suggest wrong for thi work color displai you set foreground foreground background patrick mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv wake person unnecessarili not consid lazaru long capit crime for offens that notebook lazaru long
comp.windows.x	timeout problem athena strip chart widget not call function pretti thi happen not xtappmainloop deal event socket want timeout that strip chart widget will call callback anoth fast thi for that matter cannot don call xtngetvalu callback don for paramet proc xtpointer call data word want forc strip chart widget updat idea christoph bailei internet baileyc dendrit colorado edu univers colorado boulder compuserv ride fast chanc
comp.windows.x	transpar widget write applic annot note exist document annot time peopl idea acet transpar stack top each that user can thi oclock client you
comp.windows.x	multi screen app and window manag pelkei phone battel pacif northwest lab fax mail stop email pelkei pnl gov box richland interest your question you answer email and not repost rainer rainer hochreit telephon elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europ mail rainer elin
comp.windows.x	find appcontext call give applic context fix motif program and us xtappaddtimeout argument app context call can us give thi us xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext retreiv applic context patrick mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv wake person unnecessarili not consid lazaru long capit crime for offens that notebook lazaru long patrick mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv wake person unnecessarili not consid lazaru long capit crime for offens that notebook lazaru long
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comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl hfz columbia edu ethan solomita write figur make window manag place window creat window command tell applic reason don want set overrid redirect want embellish that window manag want accept choic locat window xcreatewindow xsettransientforhint displai window window xmapwindow thi cheat and window manag refus give border and that stuff work
comp.windows.x	devguid motif solari eas motif burden develop number applic devguid and found tool impress level integr afford connect editor love gener eas us talk tali aben sun todai devguid motif help provid input version devguid tali enthusiat comment mention post thi email messag and offer receiv addit comment net devguid evolv into send your comment list rave devguid tali aben sun pretti cool exampl compani that care want thi and comput futur frankli idea that will offer migrat capabl doe domf integr tooltalk capabl point march sunexpert magazin technolog work can crankout interfac devguid price outstand
comp.windows.x	run dxterm apollo dec run dxterm dec xterm decstat ultrix motif displai variabl set apollo domain motif error appear decstat dxterm toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apchardel type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apcopi type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apcut type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei appast type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apupbox type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apdownbox type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei aprightbar type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apleftbar type virtualbind segment fault idea motif problem dec and apollo version motif incompat xkeysymdb xterm run fine dec displai apollo arggh run dxterm packag dec oracl case dxterm default and lab apollo workstat run oracl andrew alf leahi alf nepean uw edu andrew alf leahi phone irc pepsi alf uni western sydnei nepean remot email alf nepean uw edu sydnei australia local email alf
comp.windows.x	xalloccolor fail return nearest match post for friend look faq and didn thi come xalloccolor suppos order find exact match read color cell hardwar limit alloc read colorcel and set match and fail return colorcel match read color alloc colormap thi sound good theori doesn work thi exact match colormap and unalloc cell xalloccolor fail even alloc cell and dozen read cell colormap thi bug featur misunderstand part appreci noel ngorel speclab usg gov
comp.windows.x	xlib for window not xserver articl apr topgun smike topgun steven mike write anoth compani congruent corpor york citi port xlib and motif window full client develop for applic environ send postal and email address congruent corpor and competitor you snail lsl wash hand conflict power and powerless mean side power not neutral quot freir poster oxfam
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comp.windows.x	problem libarari compil sourc code for mpeg anim viewer for window code ftp site modifi makefil instruct error happen that messag link util video parseblock motionvector decod fast hybrid hybriderr gdith grai mono main jrevdct bit util order order order lib libx lib libxext mpeg plai undefin referenc symbol file getnetpath lib libx alloc lib libx unbind lib libx open lib libx rcvdi lib libx netdir free lib libx error lib libx netdir getbynam lib libx getnetconfig lib libx lib libx errno lib libx close lib libx netdir getbyaddr lib libx listen lib libx rcv lib libx setnetpath lib libx bind lib libx connect lib libx accept lib libx perror lib libx inet addr lib libx mpeg plai fatal error symbol referenc error output written mpeg plai error code make fatal error miss function locat you can you post unix group suggest thi error you unix system machin termin want us separ and call termin and dedic that not sinc time thi window gidget that time program for speak us alot for graphic thing you can mail gerard
comp.windows.x	intrins mail list don newsfe wonder whether such thing mail list xpert expo lc mit edu info thi relat mail list advanc leon leon thrane telephon dimatrix ap fax lyngbi hovedgad mail leon dimatrix lyngbi denmark uunet dimatrix leon
comp.windows.x	intrins slow popup articl minster york cjh minster york write applic creat window button quit and press button press pop dialog box strang featur thi program that pop dialog box faster time pop time time slower shell wait for window manag respond posit request window manag not respond think window place exactli two compon into thi sulk unclear inform greatli receiv bryan
comp.windows.x	xdm decnet xdm work decnet ultrix machin run tcp and decnet number termin hang ultrix host run tcp and decnet present xdm for login procedur termin tcp sinc xdm basic window client shouldn run xdm decnet protocol tower inclin that xdm not your typic client make tcp specif socket call thi case answer you can not run xdm decnet thi not feedback appreci
comp.windows.x	compil sun articl qfe qzz andrew cmu edu wilson swee andrew cmu edu write piec code that compil fine pmax pmax mach sun mach whenev compil sun undefin error sin co pow floor wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass librari that link lxaw lxmu lxt lxext makefil gener imak templat can give pointer miss compil sun easi you math librari ad don that problem start daniel mccoi space net inc nasa mail code tel nasa johnson space center fax houston texa futur mccoi gothamc jsc nasa gov
comp.windows.x	keyboard map for type keyboard keyboard map for sun type keyboard for us nigel nigel elli artifici intellig group elli durham comput scienc univers durham phne durham england fax
comp.windows.x	top motif applic search for busi inform motif applic creat top us wordprocessor spreadsheet draw program schedul and fax program etc mail your inform refer will summari result thi media you advanc anton ruiter digit equip corpor workgroup product wgp objectwork obw ing anton ruiter mba softwar product manag post offic box apeldoorn netherland oud apeldoornseweg apeldoorn netherland mail hlde ruiter dtn locat apd internet aruit idca td philip mcsun philapd aruit phone busi phone privat fax
comp.windows.x	gcc and build widget set linux attempt copi widget set compil linux sl releas kernel and run into problem that thi gcc question compil troubl basic number function prototyp set compositep for instanc composit widget insert child procedur set type typedef void xtwidgetproc widget place sourc code refer insert child procedur and pass multipl argument prototyp suggest for exampl superclass composit class insert child arg num arg gcc choke thi give error messag that argument pass function suggest turn thi check gcc can chang code accomod thi call chang usr includ compositep successfulli built widget set and suggest advanc for bill woodward wpwood austin ibm thi aix softwar support billw aixwiz austin ibm graphic group terror that flap night
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comp.windows.x	motif athena etc articl azj kirk bambi kirk david hugh write port motif bsd and linux for fee thi cost recoveri for person bought right redistribut activ bsd and linux new group pertain motif high heard that italian gui distribut motif binari for bsd haven heard thing for linux and follow linux new group pretti close miss love hold motif lib for linux for regard joe pannon
comp.windows.x	xdm xsession woe manag xdm run ncr svr box run xfree ncd xdisplai pretti work encount weird error attempt start xterm xsession file noth happen redirect stderr file exec home xerror xsession reveal error messag xterm error errno not owner start xterm window manag command line work fine and start client window manag mwm and clock xsession work encount thi suggest atdhvaannkcs de herriott wise man onc micro focu newburi take lot brain smart dnh mfltd take neck giraff
comp.windows.x	mwm titl drag crash server sigpip articl creatur edu ramakri csgrad edu ramakrishnan write environ mach arch sparc sun ipx suno patchlevel motif bring server startx and usr bin xsun sequenc action crash server sigpip errno xinit report that connexion server lost had thi problem had graphic card that come ipx fix problem for appli sungx that part patch patch us thi file perhap you didn appli that patch jeff jeff boot boot ncar ucar edu scientif comput divis noth good bad nation center for atmospher research think make boulder hamlet
comp.windows.x	find appcontext articl qvatv pandora sdsu edu masc ucsnew sdsu edu todd green write call give applic context fix motif program and us xtappaddtimeout argument app context call can us give thi you can applicationcontext associ widget call xtwidgettoapplicationcontext ian hogg ianhogg umn edu
comp.windows.x	mysteri beep articl qtkk cup defaria cup andi defaria write articl crosspost window author andi defaria post mon apr gmt for reason code applic beep whenev intercept keystrok and chang mean intent thi code date field special kei insert todai date bump dai bump dai hardcod date for thi exampl perhap shouldn xmtext field for thi for reason code beep whenev special kei hit idea thi code interpret kei special mean impli code rid beep can not beep and lose understand and beep occur code delet xmtextfield man page discuss resourc xmnverifybel specifi whether bell will sound action revers verif callback you set doit fals callback and text field beep turn thi behavior set thi boolean resourc fals tom mcfarland tommc
comp.windows.x	fontnam fonstruct applic can retriev name font applic xfontstruct xgetfontproperti work pass font name detail thi advanc brian brian deali not know deali kong gsfc nasa gov that import know uunet dftsrv kong deali not dylan
comp.windows.x	xlock articl qvir idi lll winken llnl gov dale went llnl gov dale slone write dale found odditi sgi indigo mip chip dale xlock nolock run and work remot dale batch mode runtim program time dale clock code slower dale xlock not run process affect dale runtim thi consist you run xlock mode blank xlock consum cpu time gener nice anim displai code you run compet xlock for cpu you run top remot login you can scott henri scotth sgi disclaim miss network servic gigo mean garbag gospel silicon graphic inc
comp.windows.x	xterm ansi color mous support brown ftm vidiot write articl apr vm huji kloni vm huji write had request post inform gather search for ansi mous color xterm sourc respons larri virden write mit and provid mous escap sequenc color xterm enhanc export lc mit edu contrib found color xterm tar that directori lot fun stuff for larri found uunet pub window sy contrib for that can anonuucp notic that thing date make two year thi latest version talk xterm accept escap sequenc that for colour decterm dxterm thought that call colxterm and test show odditi that bug program wrong unsur meant ansi mous xterm
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comp.windows.x	xalloccolor fail return nearest match articl slate mine colorado edu agallagh slate mine colorado edu gallagh andrea write post for friend look faq and didn thi come xalloccolor suppos order find exact match read color cell hardwar limit alloc read colorcel and set match and fail return colorcel match read color alloc colormap you hear thi print book throw book mit spec true ken lee klee synopt
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comp.windows.x	transpar widget articl ntep ntep tmg nec cerna ntep tmg nec alexand cerna write write applic annot note exist document annot time peopl idea acet transpar stack top each that user can thi oclock client you oclock widget written shape extens you can your widget current widget support shape you subclass add that function ken lee klee synopt
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comp.windows.x	can detect local remot displai set find applic run local remot displai local displai connect system that client execut access displai string can string client execut host foo unix foo and localhost local ultrix that local valid displai name share memori connect string that check for detect thi you for you can give jim atkinson wavefront technolog inc jra wti compani spokesperson real life not spectat sport
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl apr dsd pmartz dsd paul martz write articl apr infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write thi group bear two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici xputimag your sourc maintain client and destin maintain server you incur overhead transport client server commun mechan you for you maintain your sourc imag pixmap maintain server copi into window cheaper make you not send unnecessari xsync run xsynchon mode you speed and your client can run host server you us share memori extens sampl server mit shm xdpyinfo will you your server thi extens thi sampl mit server run suno word warn make your kernel configur support share memori and anoth word warn openwindow slower mit server written imag tool xview for gui yield frame per second for bit imag run sparc ipc half cpu grunt ipx thi prove quit suffici for anim regard richard gooch
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comp.windows.x	xquerybestcursor semi broken ask recent us xquerybestcursor creat size impli server not creat cursor that size investig show that server will happili return size size root window return fix limit reason size interest thing that server binari act differ hardwar sun will claim cursor root window size sun will stop thi behavior ncd and phase termin and told occur hp ncd even liber size larger root winodw gladli return xquerybestcursor semi broken thi behavior correct cursor richard neitzel thor thor atd ucar edu torren med sitt skjegg nation center for atmospher research lokkar borni sole vegg box boulder gjo med sitt shinn jagar borni inn
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag thi group bear two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici question fastest dump plane imag data window can advantag fact that client run machin server stuck xputimag case give appreci derek articl infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write derek richardson tel institut astronomi fax cambridg mail dcr mail ast cam anim frequent copi client resid ximag into server resid pixmap xputimag onc thi origin ximag can delet and anim loop can perform xcopyarea pixmap window drawabl hope thi helpful john
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl apr infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write thi group bear two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici xputimag your sourc maintain client and destin maintain server you incur overhead transport client server commun mechan you for you maintain your sourc imag pixmap maintain server copi into window cheaper make you not send unnecessari xsync run xsynchon mode paul pmartz dsd evan sutherland
comp.windows.x	xsun not run sparcclass instal patch for solari sparcstat sparcclass pool run fine classic give command startx xsun print messag warn mmap can map dummi space map such devic address and exit fix thi problem advanc christian rank lehrstuhl fuer wirtschaftsinformatik universitaet passau innstr passau
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comp.windows.x	build xlc aix apr gmt dla waii doug acker doug nntp post host waii big problem build mit xlc bundl aix almost linker not work properli share librari built problem headach for exampl xset client complain that libxmu doesnt bunch routin and shr miss that build libxmu link libxt perplex thi specif error not load program xset symbol xtvasetvalu lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtname lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtwindowofobject lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtgetconstraintresourcelist lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtappsettypeconvert lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtscreendatabas lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtresolvepathnam lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtcvtstringtofont lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtcallconvert lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtdisplaystringconversionwarn lib xmu libxmu undefin not load librari libxmu shr error exec format error dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl apr infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici question protocol move imag process memori server memori thi hog convers xputimag fast fastest dump plane imag data window can advantag fact that client run machin server stuck util mit shm extens that xputimag deriv that share memori fine fast xputimag case give you can xputimag frame pixmap move server memori and replai fastest xcopyarea awar thi major server memori bummer brain insid andr beck abpsoft mehl andr beck ir inf dresden
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comp.windows.x	xlib and includ file xpert sparc limit disk space usr partit previous run window applic and upgrad system sun and realiz that hard disk not space load openwindow altern load neccessari file boot system thi result not load openwindow result librari load load librari and includ file and bin file requir for run window and compil program written for xlib and xaw desper effort regain window retriev usr lib libx file tape usr bin and usr includ thi for run window not usr lib font sub directori dpi dpi and misc run xinit error messag usr lib font dpi etc not default path problem cannot load directori disk space temporari suggest disk and load openwindow window run pramod
comp.windows.x	write motif widget can give inform write motif widget platform motif privat header file and sourc can make public header that provid motif includ thi context widget multi column list lot peopl written and subclass list simpl class thi difficult principl not line code altern multi column list widget sell thi save write chanc exist motif not spec answer appreci nichola nichola young
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl bub wsinfo win tue rcb wsinfo win tue richard verhoeven write bade berlin tobia dope bade write thi xcreatewindow xsizehint flag usposit ussiz pposit psize xsetwmnormalhint displai window xsizehint hint window manag that posit and size window user and that window manag accept valu you us xsizehint flag pposit psize thi tell window manag that valu prefer valu program not user don window manag that doesn place window you prefer you posit and size olwm and tvtwm don place titl that posit and window posit below reason place corner locat you request that icccm thi becom problem you want program save current configur and restor solut xcreatewindow xsetwmproperti xmapwindow xflush xmovewindow thi code will almost break call xmapwindow and xflush not guarante that window visibl and manag window manag even thi work isn reliabl find decor window manag your window you don move and window manag refus move your window tom lastrang toml boulder parcplac
comp.windows.x	postscript termin problem postscript work local sun sparcstat ipc postscript work good connect sun termin error messag that postscript cannot connect new displai doesn postscript work termin xtermin not new server xtermin speed natur limit function onc you add new and you workstat workaround heard involv perl script replac program that new pageview program that don ghostview can elabor perl workaround person experi greg owen gowen fort tuft edu gowen jade tuft edu system programm and tuft univers comput scienc dept transfer disclaim host name and boss address you don thi polici disconnect
comp.windows.x	colormap dialog shell applicationshel colormap creat xcreatecolormap and color for bit displai move cursor window technicolor effect fine basic program work problem question popup dialogshel prompt user for input want xmndialogstyl set xmdialog primari applic modal result that cursor dialogshel colormap cursor applicationshel window dialogshel default colormap that cursor window applic colormap suggest david
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comp.windows.x	problem run aix info sun rlogin shell run info util remot login shell rlogin sun sparc can longer type lower case info window prompt thought prob due sun window mgr openlook incompat aix motif applic tvtwm result thi kei definit problem workstat system admin feign ignor type lower case into thi remot aix motif app local openlook window manag wayn long internet wcl risc sp mot william cannon drive west texa edu oakhil risc wcl austin texa phone fax
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl whalei apr sigma kpc whalei sigma kpc ken whalei write advanag mit shm that your imag larg you don end grow size server process hold correct server us version malloc will not return memori server free pixmap heap not shrink disadvantag mit shm that sampl implement provis for elegantli clean share memori segment client di sudden violent death kill you mind clutter system zombi share memori segment part routin mention dirti trick that problem creat share memori segment attach client attach server and remov segment you read man page remov share memori segment you will that segment di attach client di that attach clean for you and sinc server notic client di free resourc includ detach segment last attach share memori segment terribl work regard richard gooch
comp.windows.x	xterm patch for alpha osf massag dec osf def can rememb exact name osf into normal distribut compil and link fine xterm doesn run warn represent size match superclass overrid background warn translat tabl syntax error modifi expect warn found pars error fail request badcolor invalid colormap paramet major opcod fail request allocnamedcolor resourc fail request serial number fail request current serial number output stream thi core stuff work hint tip appreci patch primo jay mathisen coe system manag robert hall dept comput scienc montana state univers bozeman osyjm montana edu
comp.windows.x	widget translat problem write custom widget support displai graphic and imageri user widget will creat whether oper mode set translat and action handl mous button press work fine widget mode mode work widget widget child manag put anoth translat not work widget configur mode and child shell thi happen advanc bruce gendler bgendler csc
comp.windows.x	text field dialog widget doesn focu glx widget athena widget mix model applic dwm dialog get pop text entri field not focu aimilar code work perfectli us pure mix model relev portion code int arg warg widget button popupshel dialog initi toplevel xtsetarg warg xtnlabel foo button xtcreatemanagedwidget foobtn commandwidgetclass toplevel warg popupshel xtcreatepopupshel pupshel overrideshellwidgetclass button null xtaddcallback popupshel xtncallback mypopup xtpointer popupshel xtsetarg warg xtnvalu dialog xtcreatemanagedwidget thedialog dialogwidgetclass popupshel warg void mypopup popup shell call data widget widget popup shell xtpointer call data xtpopup popup shell xtgrabexclus found give focu text field move applic window bit and place popup pointer greatli appreci
comp.windows.x	correct last post glx lack cou dialog widget code replac line xtaddcallback popupshel xtncallback mypopup xtpointer popupshel xtaddcallback button xtncallback mypopup xtpointer popupshel rest and question remain dan
comp.windows.x	dell eisa video card thi belong comp window unix redirect followup articl sshu cbi gator larri gator larri snyder write xfree support eisa video card dell larri snyder larri gator for fact that eisa version orchid prodesign ii work eisa svga card like wast monei xfree come support for acceler chipset isa eisa and vlb will support import question chipset support bu basic irrelev compat issu david wexelblat dwex mtgzf att fax bell laboratori laurel av middletown xfree request address xfree physic love oxygen you you high not and you gonna die sweet love oxygen
comp.windows.x	question overlai graphic two rectangl canva intersect delet rectangl creat anoth us gxxor logic function and simpli redraw rectangl newli creat graphic context delet for appar purpos problem thi approach that point intersect pixel locat belong rectangl becom white that avoid you set bitmap mask clear bitmap draw rectangl delet gxor draw that stai gxclear gxxor entir pixmap screen note that thi pretti effect anim you that replac gxclear gxxor joe hildebrand hildjj fuentez softwar engin fuentez system concept standard disclaim appli
comp.windows.x	keysym databas problem problem motif applic that run anoth machin path etc can find xkeysymdb file thi larg warn output warn translat tabl syntax error unknown keysym name osfactiv warn found pars kei osfactiv managerparentactiv warn translat tabl syntax error unknown keysym name osfcancel warn found pars kei osfcancel managerparentcancel warn translat tabl syntax error unknown keysym name osfselect warn found pars kei osfselect managergadgetselect etc file locat for place machin app compil read xkeysymdb manual call that addit xkeysymdb can distribut applic us trace find fix that translat applic can recognis tim tim liddelow for fork system programm centr advanc technolog telecommun brain bad dai citri melbourn australia internet tim kimba catt citri edu phone fax
comp.windows.x	mix xlib mwm articl scorpion dp gerard dp gerard driscol write pyeatt texaco write widget defin for glxmdraw motif glxdraw athena widget similar xmdrawingarea that you us call render into window glxlink glxunlink glxgetconfig and glxwinset man page hold widget gerard driscol gerard odriscol dp pont pixel system come iri nth ship latest version nth portabl updat coupl week ago assum that silicon graphic licens sourc you that you can includ your compani offer larri pyeatt view express not internet pyeatt texaco employ voic that except
comp.windows.x	write motif widget articl wapj ibmpcug nichola ibmpcug nichola young write write motif widget platform motif privat header file and sourc can make public header that provid motif includ thi context you find almost imposs sourc thi point depend ambiti you and concern you complianc gener interfac and item travers widget multi column list lot peopl written and subclass list simpl class thi difficult principl not line code not you ask you creat true multi column list place list geometri manag and put that manag automat scroll window thi wouldn good for larg list you thi altern altern multi column list widget sell thi save write chanc exist motif not spec motif not multi column list you look commerci set widget set multi column list you port dougla rand drand osf org osf motif dev snail cambridg center cambridg disclaim don osf agre vote amateur radio
comp.windows.x	numlock mask interfer meta compos extendchar question thi mean determin state capslock and numlock alright ignor thi delv bit deeper xkeyev and found for state bunch mask check lockmask for capslock appear that numlock mask vari server server mask numlock and for meta mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask sgi vendor server mod mask numlock solari openwindow mod mask for numlock unambigu mean determin numlock mask runtim for server for wast bandwidth and appal ignor ralph
comp.windows.x	find paper rosenth march april version journal open front work program client thi summer and sinc don experi program thought thi issu help section debug and section common error program end error section refer for tutori program style rosenth david simpl client program proceed winter usenix confer lemk and rosenth visual client proceed winter usenix confer find print prefer electron form can you suggest net resourc devot introduct program bookstor for book ask can find net david simpson davesimp soda berkelei edu
comp.windows.x	intrins slow popup cjh minster york wrote run sampl problem reilli volum intris program manual chapter popup dialog box and exampl page creat pop dialog box applic creat window button quit and press button press pop dialog box strang featur thi program that pop dialog box faster time pop time time slower experi sampl program thi behaviour fast respons time for time slow respons time time onward can give idea program popup that each time popup reason fast respons time thankyou shirlei respond prevent thi behaviour two method run twm olwm keep olwm put wmtimeout resourc suggest that difficuti window manag posit popup window guru can analys thi inform post and shirlei
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comp.windows.x	termin config file question question exact entri paramet and syntax termin configur file load termin boot add anoth system tcp access control list background two unix system run and mit and sun want window sun and ncd termin time can thi manual set network paramet tcp access control list login telnet session not great xhost work and fail syntax wrong implement bogu edit ncd configur file that load ncd boot matter entri add edit ncd boot tcp access control list contain manual worthless appreci ann mari barden abarden afseo eglin mil
comp.windows.x	error fail request badpixmap invalid pixmap paramet give guess thi simpl program badpixmap error fourth bizarr call xtrelaizewidget code int stoploop static void callback widget xtpointer xtpointer main xttoolkitiniti xtappcontext app xtcreateapplicationcontext int junk displai di xtopendisplai app null null null null junk null widget top xtappcreateshel null null applicationshellwidgetclass di null widget box xtvacreatemanagedwidget xmpushbuttonwidgetclass top xmnheight xmnwidth null xtaddcallback box xmnactivatecallback callback null xtrealizewidget top stoploop xevent event xtappnextev app event xtdispatchev event stoploop xtreleasegc top xdefaultgcofscreen xtscreen top need xtdestroywidget top xtclosedisplai di static void callback widget xtpointer xtpointer stoploop error time show box error fail request badpixmap invalid pixmap paramet major opcod fail request creategc resourc fail request serial number fail request current serial number output stream respond email note realiz thi program noth ultra trivial version real librari routin david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
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comp.windows.x	instal problem process instal sun sparcstat and run into problem imagin miss screen driver line figur internet land instal machin that openlook instal and instal concurr set compil usr directori work kink get compil gcc that compil warn instal for pex set flag run messag line get interfac configur oper not support socket sunopenframebuff inappropri ioctl for devic fatal server error screen found idea can fix respond mail below address advanc dan not want immort work want immort not dy woodi allen dan kirkpatrick dept electr comput engin dsk rice edu rice univers uunet rice edu dsk uunet net houston
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comp.windows.x	post script viewer recent print lot file school laser printer and feel guilti show post script viewer for window you for your student enhenc cybernat abil
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl bub wsinfo win tue rcb wsinfo win tue richard verhoeven write olwm and tvtwm don place titl that posit and window posit below thi becom problem you want program save current configur and restor solut xcreatewindow xsetwmproperti xmapwindow xflush xmovewindow work olwm eleg thi leav wonder overlook obviou richard that mwm resourc posit us for border window for user window window manag similar option anoth figur differ user window posit and window manag decor window posit subtract posit you us xquerytre and rememb that window manag decor window parent your window you can figur decor width and height window map thi greet tobia bade berlin
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comp.windows.x	question motif diaog shell widget vuewm dear netter notic wear creat dialog shell widget run vue vuewm for reason time creat dialog shell foreground and backgroun color compar toplevel shell not special bodi thi problem fix hardcodin color respond kamlesh salzo cari usa kamlesh
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comp.windows.x	numlock mask interfer meta compos extendchar ralph seguin rp arbortext wrote question thi mean determin state capslock and numlock alright ignor thi delv bit deeper xkeyev and found for state bunch mask check lockmask for capslock appear that numlock mask vari server server mask numlock and for meta mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask sgi vendor server mod mask numlock solari openwindow mod mask for numlock unambigu mean determin numlock mask runtim for server for wast bandwidth and appal ignor you check keysym each kei for each modifi numlock map modifi you want bit ugli perhap thi and preced keysym us differenti capslock shiftlock for lock modifi don accept strategi for handl ambigu assign numlock map for modifi suppos found good doesn handl lock modifi that hope that help dave lapp standard disclaim etc
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comp.windows.x	hypercard for unix articl apr bernina ethz queloz bernina ethz ronald queloz write netland macintosh hypercard for unix platform advanc ron metacard hypercard program environ chun hong
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl bade apr athen berlin bade berlin tobia dope bade write that mwm resourc posit us for border window for user window window manag similar option anoth figur differ user window posit and window manag decor window posit subtract posit you us xquerytre and rememb that window manag decor window parent your window you can figur decor width and height window map thi anoth us getgeometri find you rel frame and translatecoordin find your window upperleft corner ethan
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comp.windows.x	load network can point direct paper not necessarili formal conduct studi discuss traffic app gener for network comparison curs base app telnet server typic buffer user keyboard input line time can client control thi ask for keystrok immedi advanc for feedback bob kline phoenix system inc bkline occ nlm nih gov voic
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rec.autos	mgb and real world sister mgb last year produc good shape bug for year sell and that sell car worthless maintain that car increas result limit avail mgb affectionado will pai for lot market mike brookbank mk king north mike mk director interopen sale mkt waterloo ontario mortic kern system inc mk canada fax
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rec.autos	mgb and real world articl apr mk mike mk mike brookbank write sister mgb last year produc good shape bug for year sell and that sell car worthless maintain that car increas result limit avail grass root motorsport long articl thi month collect specul concern wast time rubber bumper model desir origin model reason for low easi avail and fact that not good car craig mgb affectionado will pai for lot market mike brookbank mk king north mike mk director interopen sale mkt waterloo ontario mortic kern system inc mk canada fax
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rec.autos	toyota wagon articl apr pmafir inel gov russ pmafir inel gov russ brown write articl new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker write notic that toyota uncanni knack for design horribl ugli station wagon tercel corolla camri design aesthet sens camri wagon even uglier tercel toyota corner market ugli station wagon camri sedan had thought toyota final turn nice camri station wagon bear strong resembl hears and weird that teddi
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rec.autos	top reason love not for humor impair articl apr new brandei edu andyh chao brandei edu andrew huang write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write articl apr metric tomh metric tom haapanen write chint isc nu write anoth ten reason love spectacl macho real men never bother read magazin apt critic that point read found that recommend useless and uninform write list flame war easi start wrong and claim and thorough andi you name good exampl that brought john john nielsen magnu consult you baldrick renaiss that happen peopl wasn black adder
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rec.autos	warn read for auto content that low abid citizen power protect and properti deadli forc anywher threat immin steve heracl you power steve you can don you don you shoot kid toss rock car make you good job don miss big rock and kid mean
rec.autos	chang oil articl apr progress damelio progress stephen amelio write bmoss grinch sim brent woodi moss write you screw driver and hammer and start punch hole locat and black slipperi stuff start pour you that oil drain plug nearbi foot two close hole toilet paper refil oil you refil engin oil wow can engin last oil chang don forget punch hole radiat will sprai nice refresh water engin and nice cool steve gee you make confus radiat locat will releas radiat sinc sound radia tion genera tor you punch hole hanguyen
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rec.autos	warn read tobia convex allen tobia write articl apr virginia edu ejv virginia edu erik velapoldi write thi happen year ago washington beltwai snot nose drunken kid decid cool throw huge rock car overpass car hit injuri and sadli small girl sit front seat struck head larger rock don recal made comatos for month and doctor weren hold hope that live girl and recov home don perman damag case concern hell happen thi great countri our can boyhood prank pee bridg and such pound rock societi stoop thi low erik velapold peopl start forc respons for action thing thi wouldn happen until stop blame and start blame crimin will continu thing thi happen chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart quick judg quick anger slow understand ignor and prejudic and fear walk hand hand
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rec.autos	workmanship articl apr walter bellcor jchen ctt bellcor write visit auto show and two car floor eagl vision and dodg intrepid competit price workmanship quit disappoint car rubber seal window and door fell turn seal big groov rubber band press singl data point you can draw line you want bart child professor texa dept comput scienc pastor late model corolla and father stanza demonstr fall door seal problem daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
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rec.autos	warn read articl innfl utk edu laros austin utk edu brian laros write thi warn net watch for folk stand road overpass can harm you and your car cliff note version stori follow last night travel interst knoxvil take offramp exit anoth interst and wife suddenli scream and larg hit side truck slow back vandal stand drove polic station good gui and cock arm size cinderblock never lucki truck sit high road hit window kill polic for gui likelyhood stuff delet report that southern california sick sport for drop concret block overpass freewai person kill block windshield overpass bridg fenc and made illeg loiter such bridg that stop such peopl bridg not fenc bridg time evas action even thi sport not reach fresno greg lewi csufresno edu photojourn sequenc depart journal csu fresno fresno
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rec.autos	break pad exhaust maxima can bui thi nissan maxima gxe for cdn car mile typic mileag for car seller inform that brought car for certif told that front break pad and exhaust had replac meet legal standard will replac compon sell car copmlet ignor technic stuff car don thi mean time typic for replac mention item thi indic that car abus thing break replac seller told that us car highwai lot don verifi thi paint chip tini dot front edg hood maxima excel car and car clean and warranti similarli price accord will year worth warranti left and don want worri pai for repair bill car for peopl will maxima come your input thi repli mail prefer post thi newsgroup ryan ryan kim univers toronto eecg comput graphic rkim eecg toronto edu not weav traffic cone road work british highwai code toronto star april
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rec.autos	mgb and real world derek nezsdc icl derek tearn write peopl bought mgb bought open top sportscar and embodi peopl thought for fashion tradit brit sportscar not great pretti peopl bui mazda miata todai small fun and you can fool and lot peopl that you perform superior and expens performnac car for fairli hard run lack power sure make for handl great for back street heap corner fairli light car low center graviti and quit free rev dohc engin fun car you driven turbo convert start perform thought mazda rotari regard scott scott fisher scott psy uwa au perth local depart psycholog univers western australia perth nedland perth joi jaguar flat batteri blown oil seal and unsympathet wife small remot town cold wet winter morn
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rec.autos	break pad exhaust maxima articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu rkim eecg toronto edu ryan kim write can bui thi nissan maxima gxe for cdn automat don spec cdn spec for maxima car mile typic mileag for car seller inform that brought car for certif told that front break pad and exhaust had replac meet legal standard will replac compon sell car copmlet ignor technic stuff car don thi mean time typic for replac mention item thi indic that car abus set brake pad front thi fine car eat set mile fact that replac muffler thing break replac mileag fairli low typic fwd stuff joint check mainten record manufactur requir for valv adjust time belt and mile servic expens make seller told that us car highwai lot don verifi thi paint chip tini dot front edg hood thi commonli cite method for identifi car highwai mile check ga pedal wear set tire highwai car squeez set hard driven car set maxima excel car and car clean and warranti similarli price accord will year worth warranti left and don want worri pai for repair bill maxima pretti reliabl warranti you check knowledg stuff for japanes car can expens car for peopl will maxima come model year your input thi repli mail prefer post thi newsgroup craig ryan ryan kim univers toronto eecg comput graphic rkim eecg toronto edu not weav traffic cone road work british highwai code toronto star april
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time articl apr cactu org boyl cactu org craig boyl write articl jnk jkt new cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write wasn origin intent revers light for driver back revers light side revers light warn that you back aren bright typic brake and tail light don you live couldn drivewai night revers light countri you notic neat thing star and differ dai and night night hous forest tall oak dark for night full moon revers light illumin path back greatli prefer car car oper revers light jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	cizeta sbw sdcc ucsd edu sbw write happpen vener claudio enhanc pictur thi beast can ftp model thi beauti autoweek had articl car past six week issu diablo awd cover natur don rememb date issu offhand can check interest aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu care watch dry paint
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rec.autos	saturn articl qkkl innbvo col col theckel col tim heckel for that interest fulli option air ab sunroof septemb for sacramento sold dealer had local dealer had ab equip straight fleet manag dealership like told want made awar that knew price call back exactli want dealer deliveri dai sell nissan last summer sold earli august suppli get quit scarc car black ab option pkg and power moonroof sold for tax natur manag didn care sell desir for virtual profit knowledg aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu care watch dry paint
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time revers light warn that you back aren bright typic brake and tail light craig perhap thi silli argument backup light for couldn agre that serv dual purpos let peopl your car that you revers and that can light area your car you back you can backup lamp current model brighter us older car tauru wagon quit bright illumin good area car and brighter earlier car and vett side backup light model perhap year two earlier and you red side marker lamp and white side marker lamp car hindquart aren white reflector harv
rec.autos	station wagon open letter nissan articl apr leland stanford edu tedebear leland stanford edu theodor chen write you never catch dead minivan even minivan base viper run gear hmmmm not sinc such beast exist can you anoth you won catch dead gmc syclon typhoon bhp not not even fact that clint eastwood tast ration reason for teddi audi get liter year car test wagon banger and speed manual rave review for servotron audi recoup develop cost for and sinc not sell stick into seri car neat market trick yeah wouldn bad idea competit for upcom bimmer can us liter version avoid conflict model strip luxo garbag remain flare arch and fat tire fight turn boost wee bit bump bhp keep merced style subtleti blah blah blah eliot
rec.autos	mgb and real world articl qlg uniwa uwa scott psy uwa scott fisher write you driven turbo convert start perform thought mazda rotari drop ford into miata somewhat reminisc shelbi cobra car not nimbl suppos weight distribut and handl love drive teddi
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rec.autos	sho and articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write wagon heard slightli faster coup wagon automat slower due rear end ratio automat rear end manual limit experi david david hwang univers michigan medic school wall street suit telephon ann arbor michigan internet david ganglion ann arbor
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rec.autos	aussi info usa car show swap meet australia car enthusiast australia interest american muscl car and make amc ford chrysler mopar will usa for week june chicago sun thursdai denver fridai sundai austin texa mondai fridai oklahoma citi fridai mondai anaheim california tuesdai thursdai la vega nevada fridai sundai grand canion mondai tuesdai june la angel san diego and vicin wednesdai june sundai june june south lake taho cal sundai june wednesdai june reno thursdai june san fransisco thursdai june sundai june wonder send inform car show swap meet drag meet model car show etc thi period can pomona swap meet thi year place visit car museum privat collect your collect etc bit inform appreci interest find model car scale model interst amc car interest amx javelin scrambler rebel machin and you kit plastic diecast etc and interest sell will interest can send bring you model australian high perform car you interest repli email johnt spri level unisa edu john tsimbino
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rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time nanci hayduk nanci feagan write ashtrai and cigarett lighter option head that direct post sale question ask choic cigarett liter accessori plug and anoth whether choic ashtrai cup holder geo storm cigarett lighter accessori plug option not exist bought not ash trai cup holder step direct ashtrai make conveni chang holder not complet useless jim frost jimf centerlin
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rec.autos	ford probe opinion center articl apr ncsu edu chuck eo ncsu edu chuck kesler write rear hatch pad corner wait for dai bash head corner horn button air bag spoke and not center person prefer air bag pretti take space you expect find horn toyota airbag real horn come hard can put pressur plate hope toyota doesn follow and make horn button that wouldn want fumbl for john john nielsen magnu consult you baldrick renaiss that happen peopl wasn black adder
rec.autos	rush fast articl mentor purdu edu marshatt feserv purdu edu zauber write guess wasn clear road design for speed and safe current will add saftei margin design for speed upward forget exact spec for militari vehicl that dodg powerwagon not ford tauru
rec.autos	can york taxi articl srgenprp almanb bob alman write hose dork
rec.autos	super mega automobil sight exot togeth alright beat thi automobil sight drive hair north atlanta notic run car dealership appear deal and repair older rare exot foreign sport car ford famou model ford that win race late includ man time two jensen interceptor convert hatchback porsch bore compar rest ferarri mondial prepar for race and red model that couldn identifi and bottom late convert rot rover saloon never regularli sold and showroom small italian bodi alpha romeo lancia size austin mini trunklid miss expos boot voltag regul upper left corner wall and chunk metal remov floor hand side leav trunk and taillight look round type make thi made dai graham thoma blah blah blah blah blah georgia institut technolog blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt oit gatech edu blah blah blah blah blah
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rec.autos	rush fast articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl mentor purdu edu marshatt feserv purdu edu zauber write guess wasn clear road design for speed and safe current will add saftei margin design for speed upward forget exact spec for militari vehicl that dodg powerwagon not ford tauru powerwagon vehicl that todai car can touch term high speed road hold abil
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rec.autos	nissan altima seller boyl cactu org write articl dql menudo edu thang harebel egr edu chin heng thang write recent for altima that seller for past month that true puzzl thi obviou untruth that nissan claim that altima sell car namelpl thi verbatim lee iaccoca statist dept proud that sentenc mean that total model car never sold form altima seller therebi elimin accord tauru etc thi peopl make claim that minivan outsellin impli that nissan quest murcuri villag sell chrysler mini van not thi not true stupid claim make commerci part introduct campaign for van kind bold statement make you haven even sold and thought buick and oldsmobil bad shame you nissan and mercuri interpret craig anyht car sold for past month toni
rec.autos	rec auto disconcert name thi group
rec.autos	opel owner peopl opel calibra
rec.autos	fast articl qqv usenet in cwru edu aa cwru edu andrew spencer write previou articl callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison articl usenet in cwru edu aa cwru edu andrew spencer write previou articl wrat unisql wharfi that show you brake sho inch forget disc vent front normal tauru setup smaller disc front drum rear had vent rear lot sale man fool titanium wheel yeah told magnesium believ crap sinc uch cheaper and good tend agre tho that thi doesn sho standard for run regular basi brake bigger corrado brake regul bird comput control adjust suspens wheel ab disk vent front rear point rear vent belt sturdi passeng compart aerodynam good for nascar chang supercharg wheel independ suspens limit slip differenti top speed excess mph and ride rate tire find speed rate that standard not not jame hate thi read damn post you shouldn answer damn question awar fact that mention never bird mention discuss sho and stang not spec not bird that spec quot for sho previou poster sound anem for that snuff thi not disencourag wish make bad car mean that ford ad that extra bit safeti and toss larger brake wheel plenti larg for fit memori serv not and motor plenti power point that and sho similar characterist front and rear disk ab sho high output wheel independ suspens good aerodynam point har fat rubber and mph top speed standard and isn that flamag curious jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	plymouth sundanc dodg shadow experi anoth user recent request info shadow sundanc car haven public respons peopl experi car daryl daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
rec.autos	chang oil bobml mxmsd msd measurex bob lagess write long silli discuss delet and you bother remov drain plug you remov dipstick and suck your mouth and spit thi suggest isn fetch sound year ago anoth time and place us oil boat power automot engin case sort trai oil pan box bottom hull and floation chamber each side and you you spill oil for back us small pump power electr drill suck oil dipstick hole long thin hose inlet side design fit dipstick tube and anoth thicker shorter hose outlet side that you put into conveni contain gadget marin hardwar supplier you want mart moll comput system research institut univers toronto toronto canada
rec.autos	warn read articl jgc ajj dove nist gov kei starchild ncsl nist gov lawrenc kei write thi isn back drive high overpass night san diego caught glimps overpass pass rock slam metal winshield and front window girlfriend seat call polic exit doubt found year ago san diego put into coma brick thrown sunroof drive and subsequ crash don coma and haven heard for coupl year that thi isn group for sinc you brought idea haven bomb waco cult children minor fact that defend peopl attack haven threaten attack compound year promiscu religi nut not constitut ground for mass murder koresh and follow for post thi thi group thought previou post need rebutt you follow thi portion cross post and direct follow up newsgroup boyd johnson nosc spectra johnson san diego california intermitt newsfe and select group opinion don match employ
rec.autos	us bmw question articl apr edu rpaturi eng edu ravi write dy answer for price poloci dealer san jose california move caal you move alabama california sympathi year model descript milag price black good manual cassett sun roof white aboov make that mainten record oil chang month mileag car fine that valv engin valv bmw name didn you line for jump phil mueller pamuel ingr pamuel ingr ama dod suzuki bandit bmw
rec.autos	saturn puzzl price articl mar magnu ac ohio state edu jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write articl pcgv armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write want lowest price call capit new for you capit practic maxim profit differ you lower your cost you increas your profit person not bother saturn price scheme don want pai sell for can bui car dealer and noth that competit for you dealer can competit charg and make that kind profit that capit and power consum dictat thing will cost not dealer dictat cost negoti whether front honda dealership dicker war remov larger econom scale saturn can sell price price drop compani stop build remain negoti control market forc that consum control price ludicr consum control price car free and build car regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	build toyota badg car thi appear todai japan econom journal report plan build toyota badg car for sale japan bruce macdonald corpor commun yesterdai confirm that presid and ceo jack smith had meet recent tatsuro toyoda presid toyota thi meet two discuss busi opportun increas export japan includ compon sale complet vehicl sale part sale two presid agre conceptu pursu arrang build toyota badg hand drive vehicl for sale toyota japan work group form final model specif exact time and detail
rec.autos	chang oil articl apr new brandei edu andyh chao brandei edu andrew huang write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu sorlin magnu ohio state edu steven orlin write electrod amp ohm volt meter and connect each earlob symmetr insert finger each spark plug boot cheat gui hand us coupl question thi techniqu fire order us start pointer finger pinki left hand place your hand flat tabl and arrang fire order left and secondli cyl and two cylind unaccount for suggest you friend don you cylind excit person can
rec.autos	bmw seri for articl qll innp uwm edu qazi csd csd uwm edu aamir hafeez qazi write articl eabu dialin slip nt uci edu eabu orion oac uci edu alvin bmw isn liter six suppos enlarg liter not distant futur make sens sinc merced benz engin noth btw beleiv number engin and upmanship induc bmw creat larger six lag for time wrt bavarian wouldn want shown schwabian engin haven releas daniel
rec.autos	warn read articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write hear screw car set alarm and taunt come you can damn that colt delta elit will come not screw car that shot potenti physic danger taunt that that intend rob and physic harm thing houston last year woman heard sound garag investig gun hand found gui process steal bicycl quit ask stop refus began taunt and woman quot polic report told ahead and shoot moron surviv and charg file woman
rec.autos	rush fast good driver terrifi mph thing fear driver switch left lane rear view mirror flasher ain rush for fun and want faster defens driver lane state peopl simpli not expect drive overtaken speed differenti mph don thi stupid except program mph limit you state you rear view calcul futur posit car base speed differenti dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli judgement car recogn speed differenti stupid btw for
rec.autos	squeekin window consum report onc wrote blazer that shook and rattl tire taxi cab nois that expeci irrit back window squeak tailgat assembl and window not solid had problem and you found fix arlen martin microelectron att attm stcarm
rec.autos	mazda not feel articl mxm msi umn edu mxm msi umn edu ram mohan write mazda mile recent not good feel road esp wet pavement drive car feel car wander and grip road tire origin and thread pass penni head test had shock and strut and align check and thing fine feel that dont grip road and feel car wander esp turn thi appreci two shot check tire you can wear bar you problem area and tire pass penni test bar that guid your problem wet call hydroplan you not tread left channel water tire fishi you lift road tire ag soft tire compound harder you put heat cycl harder compound don grip soft effect notic tire that hot such competit hit tire bob benson
rec.autos	rush fast gwm spl spl loral gari mahan write good driver terrifi mph thing fear driver switch left lane rear view mirror flasher ain rush for fun and want faster defens driver lane state peopl simpli not expect drive overtaken speed differenti mph don thi stupid except program mph limit you state you rear view calcul futur posit car base speed differenti dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli judgement car recogn speed differenti stupid btw for good work gui afteral cop occupi that lesser mortal can left alon bhaskar orion uiuc edu
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time articl drutx att klf druwa att franklinkl write articl hhgm constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl apr slc slb dcd houston geoquest slb dan dai write articl innb ctron new ctron smith ctron write big aftermarket busi almost car come factori vynal and fake convert job aftermarket place amaz peopl will pai for bad tast ugli fake wheel compart stuck trunk side side tacki luxuri car aren fake you talk continent kit name lincoln continent car sport person love bird continent kit and supercharg that beauti car built imho jame continent modern era auto mount spare rear car car sport mount techniqu for rear mount spare quit common earli automobil and foreign lincoln continent car sport continent kit continent kit not confus old mount bracket continent kit specif ornament storag compart continent neat trunk laundri hamper imho jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	sho and articl apr ganglion ann arbor david ganglion ann arbor david hwang write articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write wagon heard slightli faster coup wagon automat slower due rear end ratio automat rear end manual limit experi you fun for rear end gear sho tauru front wheel drive vehicl back and check articl sho wagon quicker sho automat significantli slower real sho order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho will bet that remov automat transmiss perform type car mustang camaro and cut number accid each year auto fine for sedat sedan busi perform car imho jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	thi good price will bui honda civic coup dealer for includ instal not includ stereo tax registr fee live mexico don time lot dealer and compar price dealer mcallen thi good price for that car not pai for mail asap you don want post lot orlando puglies opugli mtecv mty itesm orlando puglies instituto tecnologico estudio superior monterrei depto informacion academica monterrei mexico ext
rec.autos	plymouth sundanc dodg shadow experi articl qmq tinn tamsun tamu edu dlb tamut tamu edu daryl biberdorf write anoth user recent request info shadow sundanc car haven public respons peopl experi car daryl pretti junk stai will replac year model
rec.autos	car bui stori christ anoth dealer servic scam articl apr newsgat sp mot markm bigfoot sp mot mark monning thi kind behavior shock experi for cry loud turkei can talk custom thi and stai busi don expect sale peopl bow scrape and grovel presenc don expect abus surpris sale peopl talk and negoti session overheard neighbor sale cubicl evid success rate high that continu busi thi lot peopl easi intimid coupl month ago dealership test drive car sat discuss price explain that want car drove color exactli want dealer network dai negoti price and sign deal dai call explain that goof and had neglect into account price increas last price increas had occur month prior visit want car fork anoth altern honor price bought car test drove had sit for month and had mile goodby thi good exampl can lowbal you and cover butt bad peopl don demand honesti type dealer longer busi dealership straightforward and honest thing salesman let you for dealer cost and work profit make deal problem steve
rec.autos	electron odomet articl megatest alung megatest aaron lung write not mistaken alter odomet illeg surmis tough alter bmw odomet you newer bmw electron odomet make even tamperproof car mention seri late electron odomet mechan drum type odomet that driven puls speed sensor rear axl puls convert into mechan puls that turn odomet and speedomet chang eras eprom chang mileag read mean odomet easi hard chang mechan odomet hand bit easier disconnect speed sensor and run car speedomet odomet read simpl switch will job will disabl speed limit will enabl car reach full speed alan peterman work qiclab scn rain odd older dai longer year shorter
rec.autos	insur car total wednesdai morn anoth driver decid illeg turn left front great damag car honda civic pai car and bodi shop insur compani total car haven touch person handl claim check thing payout blue book retail loan trade give advic insur compani not give reason amount for loss car jame baker baker dfwvx dalla geoquest slb
rec.autos	option that great list option that can exist option car thing you tripmet great gadget let you rough track mileag make good second guesser for your ga gaug full size spare built mount and power system for radar detector fit that you gener household current engin run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	dumb option list idea list pointless option you stuff you car that earthli us power window add you regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	rush fast previou articl gwm spl spl loral gari mahan good driver terrifi mph thing fear driver switch left lane rear view mirror flasher ain rush for fun and want faster defens driver lane state peopl simpli not expect drive overtaken speed differenti mph don thi stupid except program mph limit you state you rear view calcul futur posit car base speed differenti dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli judgement car recogn speed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not calcul futur posit you your mirror you glanc you will faster you car not precis you you pass you talk driver startl startl driver cruis mph doin problem not fault for barrel fault for not pai attent task hand that oddli sinc time happen had liscenc for haven startl and pass car roughli twice speed car anoth odd occur fact that thi happen long trip and drive doesn happen even long trip adrenalin will that you had bad cop experi speed limit adren for scare caught rais limit can pai attent curiou and otwo drew
rec.autos	squeekin window arlen martin arm cbnewsm att wrote consum report onc wrote blazer that shook and rattl tire taxi cab nois that expeci irrit back window squeak tailgat assembl and window not solid had problem and you found fix can relat thi greas point etc greas two cheap hing tailgat quiet for time greas work hing hing pin made penni nail anoth vibrat wors ag and that vibrat transmiss gear mile bought treat easili fast road stuff can build chevi us ford explor nice you price jim burril
rec.autos	saturn price polici order saturn import frankli saturn busi and servic big hadn bought car sinc bought honda back and unbeliev offend salespeopl met saturn made visit dealer bought car and never pressur saturn had sale support and fix price made easi for decid exactli want bui anoth big sell point run into mechan dealer fix import for year and bought saturn base and heard custom saturn good extend warranti program for year mile fulli refund you don us that work actual cost base year treasuri rate save account rate year bui you free rental warranti work count refund mike
rec.autos	sho and articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl apr ganglion ann arbor david ganglion ann arbor david hwang write articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho will bet that remov automat transmiss perform type car mustang camaro and cut number accid each year auto fine for sedat sedan busi perform car imho jame disagre thi and speed auto overdr and that chevi auto reknown for long life and abil handl copiou amount power live dalla area and manual harder drive traffic live stick us manual fun safeti wise auto distract hate shift gear eas into traffic freewai perform wise can hold stock mustang camaro speed thi imho robert loper infin notion contempl robertl flopn dseg warm bed texa instrument inc opinion not
rec.autos	fast articl qkon armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write larger engin that sho slightli modifi famili sedan power engin didn even bother improv brake that show you brake sho inch forget disc vent front normal tauru setup smaller disc front drum rear your argument boil sho shouldn driven fast jim frost isn design fast pffffftttttt you you don pai attent post damn straight you peopl make stuff and pawn god truth want li can listen televis wharf rat
rec.autos	can york taxi articl ncrcan canada ncr tnelson ncrcan canada ncr tim nelson write older taxi made checker car compani and love checker car compani busi checker motor busi hard checker that worth restor sinc almost fleet vehicl that driven into ground you can bodi decent shape mechan checker us part for instanc had chevi straight six and gmc truck radiat and ford rear mine model that for checker marathon you want checker special you can find good luck mine
rec.autos	differ insur compani rate bui car call insur compani california estim ask for coverag and deduct compani charg you your zip code charg your citi gave zip code and citi place found for integra aaa state farm allstat aaa profit expect receiv back end year huge gap compani state farm twice allstat suspici never heard complain comment gregg kasten gregg stanford edu
rec.autos	honda accord brake problem joni ciarletta write honda accord hit magic mile mark and sort thing begin bad latest problem experienc brake stop car fine onc stop complet brake pedal will sink anoth inch feel strang and worri brake will quit work dai check brake fluid and reservoir full fluid look dirti dirti oil call mechan and told brake master cylind will cost whop you not alon honda accord mile start show behavior replac brake master cylind hour and cost beat pai want rebuild master cylind put rebuilt cost for rebuild kit honda brake master cylind easi two bolt attach engin compart two brake line enter master cylind tricki part that brake line stuck tight craftsmen open end wrench round bolt head had us vise grip loosen sucker wow invent sinc slice bread that easi bolt part place add brake fluid and bleed brake thi quit easi even for beginn local auto part store had repair manual for honda accord had detail diagram master brake cylind and step step procedur for replac
rec.autos	option that great previou articl parr ac ucalgari charl parr list option that can exist option car thing you tripmet great gadget let you rough track mileag make good second guesser for your ga gaug full size spare built mount and power system for radar detector fit that you gener household current engin run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add power window dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.autos	manual shift bigot ego regard shift abil big order car auto tran wasn plan drive convinc thing chang sinc dai slip slide with powerglid shift clutch wear honda want for wagon last year for cost ga milag highwai and make easier concentr radio car oddli two friend auto industri motor citi switch wholeheartedli auto wive insist manual shift envi braggadocio todai technolog and warranti hand auto tran excel choic call convert mike
rec.autos	saturn manual transmiss problem articl crdnn crd cimjfg utica write trip dealer admittedli patient admittedli noth dealer follow bulletin and review proper shife procedur owner attempt satisfact custom number round doesn sound hope surpris local case gui saturn back time complain hadn properli elimin rattl nois saturn gave car call that number
rec.autos	fast previou articl wrat unisql wharfi articl qkon armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write larger engin that sho slightli modifi famili sedan power engin didn even bother improv brake that show you brake sho inch forget disc vent front normal tauru setup smaller disc front drum rear had vent rear lot sale man fool titanium wheel yeah told magnesium believ crap sinc uch cheaper and good tend agre tho that thi doesn sho standard for run regular basi brake bigger corrado brake regul drew
rec.autos	sho and previou articl moe dseg robert loper articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl apr ganglion ann arbor david ganglion ann arbor david hwang write articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho will bet that remov automat transmiss perform type car mustang camaro and cut number accid each year auto fine for sedat sedan busi perform car imho jame disagre thi and speed auto overdr and that chevi auto reknown for long life and abil handl copiou amount power live dalla area and manual harder drive traffic live stick us manual fun safeti wise auto distract hate shift gear eas into traffic freewai perform wise can hold stock mustang camaro speed thi imho disagre your love dalla rush hour stick detest auto time auto dall rush hour noth hear live persuas and for record rare you shift gear merg into traffic that speed good for good time you can wind not hurt and powerband shift into top gear you exceed redlin fairli rare you drive ferrari such bet you hit cruis speed you feel comfort mother sit passang seat complain you wind poor engin drew
rec.autos	dent car you turn polic you accid report and send your insur compani and will contact gui insur compani and will pai accid caus court friend mine thi and monei work
rec.autos	ultim awd vehicl articl bcd ec umass edu sylvest ec umass edu write call turbo quattro thi model come wagon quick wagon rare mike sylvest umass turbo quattro wagon mondai thought audi stop sell wagon thi exactli type vehicl bet price time car budget ron deblock rdb homxb att that number rdb not letter bell lab somerset usa
rec.autos	legal car bui problem rboudri chpc org rob boudri write articl stratu swdc stratu bob runwai swdc stratu bob hutson write agre term sign contract and drove home car that night notic that term term had agre made stupid mistak not check contract thi happen last saturdai heard that cool law allow dai reconsid contract thi true can point law transact happen dealership matter thi cool period appli situat lik ewhen you solicit home cool period end you accept merchandis thi not case car buyer return slightli us highli devalu car dai bui yeah that trick want bui car firend bui return and negoti deal pre own us car you agre term and sign dealer slip you contract term and lead you that embodi term you verbal agre that fraud dai limit restitut for fraud you sue and win thi you will almost threaten sue john oswalt jao megatest jao netcom
rec.autos	legal car bui problem articl apr chpc org rboudri chpc org rob boudri write articl stratu swdc stratu bob runwai swdc stratu bob hutson write agre term sign contract and drove home car that night notic that term term had agre made stupid mistak not check contract thi happen last saturdai heard that cool law allow dai reconsid contract thi true can point law transact happen dealership matter thi cool period appli situat lik ewhen you solicit home cool period end you accept merchandis thi not case car buyer return slightli us highli devalu car dai bui yeah that trick want bui car firend bui return and negoti deal pre own us car for discuss purpos hand can proven chang term thrown question will whether agreement contain merger claus ucc parol evid talk warranti ucc look inform that can conclus daniel reitman uniform commerci code protect innoc purchas not shield for sly conniv blindli naiv hopelessli gullibl atla auto rental corp weisberg misc citi civ
rec.autos	rush fast dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli udgement car recogn speed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not couldnt agre that work peopl motorcycl constantli scan wink mirror and two mirror spend time check six cop you caught guard and didnt word time that you plan blow high speed differenti and you assum you safe gui see you you stupid depend circumst had scari instanc assum thi and dont fault gui that stori
rec.autos	dumb option list previou articl parr ac ucalgari charl parr idea list pointless option you stuff you can car that earthli us fit that you gener household current engin run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	rush fast previou articl gwm spl spl loral gari mahan dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli udgement car recogn speed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not couldnt agre that work peopl motorcycl constantli scan wink mirror and two mirror spend time check six cop you caught guard and didnt word time that you plan blow high speed differenti and you assum you safe gui see you you stupid depend circumst had scari instanc assum thi and dont fault gui that stori can agre thi prove ideal suppos happen isn and even rear pass don make you stupid agre that you you safe gui suppos pai attent you dumb dumber hasta drew
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time articl new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker cup holder drive important undertak ashtrai smoker fine us road absenc cuphold not gonna discourag eat drink car put don distract not spill you not smoker cold dai take skill toss butt crack window wind deflect into back seat smoker us window doesn mean thi remind pleasant featur ergonom hellish interior alfa romeo milano you ash your cigarett even remov your hand wheel trai fake convert roof and vinyl roof gold trim will agre abomin fake continent spare tire kit sad watch ladi load groceri into trunk that huge tire medallion piti fake convert top cadillac cimarron chrome door trim visibl not fool that hyundai excel onc laszlo csd csd uwm edu redhead afficionado extraordinair and canadia minist fine tobacco cigaret brand sampl import luxuri handrol opinion not necessarili mine mine can bum sig
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept tim articl mar uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu wrote saab ignit floor thi start great idea steer column lock popular saab instal gearshift lock put car revers remov kei and car stai revers suppos you into your car and thug come and demand your kei gunpoint you hand get and idea put kei thi will run perhap shoot you heard thi happen btw hear that saab successor will ignit consol seat belong laszlo csd csd uwm edu redhead afficionado extraordinair and canadia minist fine tobacco cigaret brand sampl import luxuri handrol opinion not necessarili mine mine can bum sig
rec.autos	nissan altima seller articl innaft cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun write puzzl thi obviou untruth that nissan claim that altima sell car namelpl thi verbatim lee iaccoca statist dept proud that sentenc note that corolla prism design hei not namepl guess nissan doesn even sell altima toyota corolla namepl qualifi waiiiiiit isn nissan offici regist car govern paperwork nissan stanza altima avoid costli and lengthi paperwork read thi net ago and stanza logo altima you can wai spiro spiro triantafyllopoulo kocrsv delcoelect softwar technolog delco electron hugh electron kokomo post armm
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept tim articl apr exu ericsson exulox exu ericsson lass ohlsson tdt write articl ca org sdm ca org write imho dumbest thing copi japanes move dimmer switch floor lever control turn signal cruis feder govern mandat that passeng car model year return floor mount dimmer switch studi nation highwai traffic safeti administr nhtsa found that unaccept percentag dusk collis direct result unskil driver get left foot stuck steer wheel ron gaskin reg koptsw delcoelect automot electron system delco electron hugh electron kokomo ron gaskin reg koptsw delcoelect automot electron system delco electron hugh electron kokomo
rec.autos	warn read articl agat berkelei edu anarr berkelei edu brian harvei write rfelix netcom robbi felix write thousand kind teenag volunt local agenc children senior homeless hear hear robbi you don read that violenc teenag such georg bush buri aliv ten thousand unarm iraqi year old surrend bulldoz hand true singl teenag for blame that violenc social accept us discourag violenc plenti work peopl ag didn georg drive bulldoz
rec.autos	toyota land cruiser worth respons post suv unsolicit recommend check land cruiser despit astronom price toyota dealer told cult car car good creat passion and loyal extraordinari you land crusher cultist your chanc convert jonathan edward edward intranet intranet inc base experi hard top jeep style model give model consider market older model built toyota lost mind assum proven that newer model inherit not qualiti ancestor two major differ run gear that awar studi solid front axl hous newer model independ front suspens solid axl theoret stronger and reliabl newer model experi will independ front suspens doubt compromis made satisfi typic user will never real util vehicl second differ type transfer case us newer model not tioyota full time wheel drive system older landcruis lock type advantag and disadvantag paul hovnanian hovnania atc boe std disclaim appli
rec.autos	car saftei import jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write articl armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write tcorkum bnr trevor corkum write figur that mph collis into brick wall aren common for spend that extra monei for protect lot low speed collis that worri into mph accid and you reconsid and scarei life car handel insur not happen you glad you safe car grant test aren perfect car that test car that horribl you rais valid point tradeoff monei you want spend for that kind protect you bui volvo saab benz and good crash protect and luxuri you pai significantli for case question car budget even high speed head collis benefici item you can good point seatbelt nowadai you airbag you point belt you ad safeti benefit that for and can had inexpens car jim frost jimf centerlin
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rec.autos	warn read callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write not argu issu carri weapon you you thought shoot kid for set your alarm can wors thing world glad you give you reason fire your gun peopl kill defend properti not honest you care scum your car
rec.autos	sho and articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho disabl person drive scca race care make sweep gener prefer manual transmiss earli sho had aw transmiss that felt truck almost make want automat teddi
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rec.autos	buick heater control buick skylark bought california and for anoth year problem indiana winter heater control don work car vacuum oper control switch for vent stuck vent mode will blow warm air can switch air flow floor can live thi defrost can live thi jam air deflector defrost posit thi blow lot air face and kind put vacuum cleaner revers part dash and look vacuum system and problem part two diaphragm control and insid air flow diaphragm control vent side vent air crack and damag advanc ag car two question awar thi fact that move indiana event that replac diaphragm aren fix thi for advic info selah dan loval physic purdu edu
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rec.motorcycles	oop ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote hate admit thi and mental kick for rode brand home last fridai night mile rain and dark problem home and put center stand dai push center stand prepar for friend hous pose you guess and land side scratch lower fair crack mirror and crack upper fair damn stupid cost local bodi shop fix and that fair for that cheaper mirror alon bought replac bmw you cheap sister boyfriend such incess pain ass want ride bike jose that final lindner bmw canaan last fall had nice us perfect condit tell shop norton war stori fifteen year ago sign liabil waiver and get pre flight not quit walk pizza shop street feel good made sister boyfriend happi and persist wanker ass for good heard horrend racket engin tortur red line and crash peopl run obviou sourc disturb jeff lai bmw rear wheel spin wildli and grope for kill switch stare disbelief slice hang mouth matti shop manag slid besid and ask friend steve shit matti wors that flh jeff hadn made inch wit lift feet let clutch and graviti jeff claim that clutch didn engag matti quick jeff stutter embarrass shock manag snatch jeff credit card for quick imprint and signatur twenti minut jeff color had pale flush matti present estim for bust mirror and hairlin crack fair that for fix crack and mask damag area not fair bui bike not happen sister split jeff shortli hook anoth piec work that matti told ran charg decemb and that uncontest stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
rec.motorcycles	miracl california articl ppvof east sun egreen east sun write biker wave biker world whether not harlei rider wave biker favorit flame war happi that harlei rider area that flame ride lowli sport bike and girlfriend recipi twenti wave group twenti harlei rider lead group sport bike time cbr vfr initi wave not perfect dai and friendli rider despit brand differ made randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod
rec.motorcycles	dod paraphernalia articl pppnrinnitg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni wrote decal thicker vinyl geeki temporari tatoo mean rub exempt razz john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	miracl california wave that courtesi nod wave meet biker ride lot good thing mood ride lot fun special you hei great dai for ride isn wonder that can spend time road dai thi gestur sunni todai for time week bike for spin local salvag yard bike shop ran into peopl for similar reason thi great stretch road side street lotsa lean bend impromptu coffe and bullshit run puyallup batch peopl didn kinda peopl nonetheless fellow comment admir bike hei not you ride that you ride long wheel and engin thing maven eskimo internet maven mavenri altcit eskimo usenet maven mavenri alternet
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow drink for drink hour drink for drink hour drink for rest fairli cautiou guidelin and will work even you happen low toler bodi mass cop and don you dare drink drive commerci will drink gener drink and hr you legal limit watch mike mike muis mjmuis watstar uwaterloo quot joke electr engin univers waterloo disclaim fear
rec.motorcycles	insect impact articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write helmetless peopl horseback not fast and enjoi eat bug bit fast dirtbik terrain and eat fli you jeep you suppos windscreen snow ski bug and poepl fast wear goggl helmetless motorcyclist question stand cruiser rider neglig helmet stand highwai mph buggi summer even helmetless goggleless green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	miracl california articl dtx jut ccc amdahl bw dut ccc amdahl brian simmon write thi isn big deal you rais south and part cultur heritag wave passersbi wave side road pass car drove wave nod rais index finger steer wheel peopl wave drove rais south and can attest that thi true hot dai walk road good ol boi truck toss cold beer mph time prove thi wasn fluke happen ride wednesdai unsolicit wave wow biker wave biker world whether not harlei rider wave biker favorit flame war green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl ugg cmptrc lonestar org irwin cmptrc lonestar org irwin arnstein write articl phuse sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl aber azw aber andi woodward write two question that fascin check you local blue light special for sale live redneck call redneck origin slang refer sunburn neck obtain perform honest work outdoor neck distinguish peopl shirt protect chest and back pale elitist wealthi idiot quest for darker skin pigment badg leisur time overdo and full bodi sunburn us back mind make live ignor and intoler group level understand tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod that sound close mind intoler attitud not redneck walk shoe stereotyp limit ignor righteou open mind ag lover great planet earth ignor red neck don correl don that redneck cultur you can call that necessarili inferior superior gotta beer make sens thing you preach toler and conserv jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	carri crutch live previou articl pooder rchland vnet ibm don fearn broke leg two place not motorcycl accid car accid woulda thunk put crutch gretchen rear rack get metal rod pull fridai and back crutch for six week crutch handlebar sound aesthet pleas you attach knee rebuilt back street bike asap put crutch rack and passeng seat and hung back long make ti tight front and problemo fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	kawi zephyr vision gpz articl apr pro haven ct shadow pro haven ct write apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write short live zephyr essenti gpz zephyr discontinu heard problem name never hear don sold north american ride standard sport bike want bigger peopl walk into dealership and and spring extra buck for bigger engin bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	daemon child previou articl svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write wait minut noemi and satan wow and such nice boi rcr and noemi make cuddl not kotl you talk bout noemi make big bore hand gun and extrem weird thi babe rode csr across desert and borrow death ride don fuck man your make big mistak fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	identifi thi bike for articl apr ucsu colorado edu coburnn spot colorado edu nichola coburn write thought hawk modifi two brother race not that made thi huge tank for addition told quit firmli honda sale servic weeni that larger tank for hawk hawk puni gal tank interest decent aftermarket solut love gal tank curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl mar aber azw aber andi woodward wrote two question that fascin you easili fascin redneck call redneck you call welch south southeastern farmer neck perman damag sunburn sun you that never set british empir and never shine wale thi despic lie sunni juli made note diari never wrong ride harlei don drive pick truck and shoot biker enlighten visit last answer incoher splutter you deserv john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli you chanc ride harlei feel your neck calamin lotion good told get bore wind american bomb fish barrel haaaaaaaaaaav niiiiiiiiiiiiiiic daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai andi
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw time debat push handl motorcycl foward turn left and can explain thi happen post faq convert eric hmm thi outrigg
rec.motorcycles	demento articl mar brown edu jdk brown edu jennet kirschenbaum write haven heard demento year plai station prov such wbcn love pai for ship and record show bore fart prefer breez salt lake citi wonderfulli cataton want station back flight bag girli sexi voic morn show
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl pcl bigboot wpi edu ravi vanilla wpi edu ravi narayan write previou articl groh fsu edu azw aber andi woodward write ride harlei can you lucki told that peopl can harlei ride name tod johnson jump indiscreet mind laz what you us ride sig piec mail fool ravi narayan wpi end and flame suzukig phaedra ravi you harlei lot spare yuppi bought coupl year ago pose wine bar rode mile and walk rest call taxi home and back porsch load cheap mile clock take coast halt cheer andi you class peopl
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write drink ride gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow even half beer will increas your confid slug your reaction and judgement not hard stai aliv for length time stack odd not ride
rec.motorcycles	live articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl apr eo arc nasa gov phil eo arc nasa gov phil stone write for compliment allan you sidestep point didn didn chanc sheesh get bed morn riski sprain ankl damn late for climb meet morn bed bother that foot asleep remind fold underneath crunch metatars lucki brake funni ride london leg held aloft climb wasnt problem splint world tight climb shoe
rec.motorcycles	protect gear articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write articl wkf eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write protect gear import good helmet shoei and good thick jacket leather gold and pair cheap leather glove purchas glove boot leather pant you can rememb tuck properli bit that punish gear you will your feet hip and knee boot trouser glove come last long you control pull your arm you tuck not good glove hand easili wreck you put steadi your fall mph bit heal easier onc you fulli cover you longer tuck lie back and enjoi ride mean contradictori answer you
rec.motorcycles	dod list membership dod list copi us command finger motohead colorado edu mail motohead colorado edu you send mail make your line correct man vacat will not fix mail problem mine and publicli world bad mailer you scan mail find bounc will not wast time answer your question request for you that want updat your entri contact kotl kotl can make stop bother inan mail will not dod rec motorcycl not give laszlo nemeth laszlo colorado edu hei tool work yeah you can quot that elef sun flashback free drug dod uid
rec.motorcycles	round two articl serval net wsu edu bill wsuaix csc wsu edu william john write good sam brick deliv class postag door expens bet chang polici mail list can us facil quickli and lord god almighti part sky and make person appear board director meet chang polici odd equal curiou brick will send thi situatiion clear satisfact suspect you extrem lucki you green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	anoth question synthet engi articl apr portho bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson write two year ago work for conrail mechan emd and power unit train engin never chang oil filter rememb artic larg engin oil requir and wai prolong life oil run heat presur chamber water and volitil boil thi made such long term usag oil practic isn discoveri channel great curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	identifi thi bike for bike todai and want let begin that rear end defin hawk addition had cbr style tank full fair and tach thought hawk modifi two brother race not that made thi huge tank for addition gaug not hawk look gaug bike look for rear singl side swingarm and wheel straight hawk for you boulder doder park engin center todai white light green stripe nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write wait minut noemi and satan wow and such nice boi rcr and noemi make cuddl not kotl dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot bad bone concour mmmmmmmmmm bad bone ring ding woop univers fear ama dod cog chicago denizen warcri
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp paraphras initi post can fight speed ticket court repli fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck abd
rec.motorcycles	for sale brand top end chamber clean black paul not contact thi email address contact seller cheer dave
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl gate gpd ryang pgh ryang ryang pgh robert yang write feel silli rob appologis matter fact thi remind bring found consist dog time not and bike anywher and will chase bite and kill instructor onc sound bike painful ear silli thi seam option arrizen net wisdom curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	auction diana bra articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write thing you bike geeki sticker park local white wine quich and fern bar hei quich even your note spell assum correctli you sniff tough gui mommi curti make fun fern
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow put vote for bike take lot involv and for not want accid fault rememb artic review radio bike not had state that bike tend faster music good agre felt thi and thi not physic impar drink emot lift music rule ecolog never side effect ride curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	miracl california wave fellow biker stuff delet start ride street bike told common reciev give wave fellow biker astound move left coast coast wave harlei rider rememb time trueli memor event refus bring that evo for harlei rider that wave curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq eric faq for thi curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	daemon child head highwai final bui bike passang jeff andl dod ree main main edu intermittentnet access arrang bowdoin colleg repli mail sinc followup expir net
rec.motorcycles	kawi zephyr vision gpz don dinki zephyr alot drool tri sport topsham looker mercuri ax zephyr name guess lot ag republican want zephyr and confus mercuri kawasaki kawasaki shake stick ass and make libertarian gpz zephyr gpz had ball buster ga tank profil not smooth saddl ga tank transit motorcyclist claim zephyr modern seventi jeff andl dod ree main main edu intermittentnet access arrang bowdoin colleg repli mail sinc followup expir net
rec.motorcycles	split insect impact hpcc rec motorcycl cookson mbunix mitr org cookson apr peopl thi inan bug wibbl get propos split group rec motorcycl nutrit deal squash bug thread dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb worri never vfr nekkid green dod bianchi limit haven you heard cross post leav intact and simpli ignor basenot and respons interest for your statur and discrimin tast yesterdai lonoak wasp hit faceshield forc glue ey not kill leg frantic wiggl and found that distract flick and wipe residu ga stop greenfield btw lonoak lead into king citi metz into greenfield graem harrison hewlett packard commun compon divis trimbl san jose gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	tool tool tool articl cmu edu jfriedl cmu edu write behanna phoenix syl nec chri behanna write subject notic that deep craftsman sae deep set small fit bolt nut socket for exchang deep socket rack had exact problem not impli that you didn sinc you didn mention you measur size your test nut callip cross length bolt head and even nut slightli thicker basa sort trapizodi cross section that not sampl bolt store fit open end wrench box end wrench point normal socket that mean bolt head peopl point and note tool faq write case will want lifetim guarante doesn necessiarli mean tool yup socket want thing fit chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec pend deliveri agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	oop jack roger water jrwater eo ncsu edu wrote articl ppejb vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write damag bike had properti feel jerk feel stupid don mean cynic you want reconsid bodi work type thing happen wait till you us bike etc wait week pastic bit and bodi shop that long bill ranck ranck joesbar edu
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl apr aber azw aber andi woodward write get bore wind american bomb fish barrel children market that irish hard you not english type straight michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
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rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw ummm you push handl your bike speed and your bike turn left methink your bike problem methink someth wrong your bike perhap you meant pull push side handlebar will send left bike turn you that faq had send will slack andi infant sometim that peopl put emphasi lord thi obcounterst for reason discov that pull wrong side handlebar push wrong side you mean feel greater control for exampl push side lean turn lonni pull left side lean feel secur and counter intuit psycholog obcounterst find iron that weekend and night msf class don mention counterst dai ride tommi mcguir hit head door frame rest even lean into tight turn mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	live articl odin corp sgi amc crash wpd sgi allan mcnaughton write articl mar eo arc nasa gov phil eo arc nasa gov phil stone write alan noth person object that statement ride that alan describ push envelop not necessarili equal take insan chanc two rider ride togeth speed ride abil and safeti margin left come phil you excel rider you plenti chanc don that your skill that you get wack lot luck thrown you good rider and lucki hope your luck hold allan circumst your fall ride you fell you you made error judgement ride fast you knew road damp and you react badli you surpris oncom car that crash due factor that subject your control won deni that combin luck and skill involv for each that you blame bad luck for your pain warrant chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	recommend bike for tall beginn articl sdcc ucsd edu jtozer sdcc ucsd edu john tozer write for advic bike check tall and find leg hip uncomfort bent bike ridden not admittedli bike built for taller rider plenti legroom kawasaki klr bit short brake depart for spirit street ride for dirt and for agress street stuff chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow thi thread bring back memori expens dai traffic court year ago wait turn state case and plea cage had opportun listen creativ excus offer judg listen number pass slow truck that suddenli speed version decid that judg had heard stori book and impress thi young burlei gui had docket read drill sargent ohio state highywai patrol trooper clock ride motorcycl speed mph mph zone note that defend motorcycl rider had alcohol breath not cite for thi offenc judg look half glass purch end nose and sternest voic son pretti fast speed ride motorcycl you for your sir meekli defen repli buddi and had coupl beer and home offer noth had coupl beer and mph home judg move simplic respons fine maximum thi case court cost and order attend remedi driver train school isn america great bill mohrman motorola sp columbu disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	big big bike azw aber andi woodward write azw weight and size rough road definit start azw drift you aint catch leavitt umd edu bill mrb you ride hard for thi concern mrb lighter bike benefici cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you not ride hard for thi concern you fun never racerboi attend minibik spectacular can attest great deal satisfact ride fast fast overli concern not maintain clean line and slide occasion tire prefer stai sticki side that line found that don heal us dai yore btw knee mrb like catch not necessarili mrb tire road surfac and rider abil import criteria big horsepow like you troubl start drift your puni bodi mass push stuff push horsepow can lot straighten chang benefici trajectori bike rider system that quit true anoth for bike origin thread damn circular thread fast chanc mike bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	protect gear articl wkf eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write question for dai protect gear import good helmet shoei and good thick jacket leather gold and pair cheap leather glove purchas glove boot leather pant condom wone time had accid ask wear protect responc wear condom laz
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw time debat push handl motorcycl foward turn left and can explain thi happen post faq convert ummm you push handl your bike speed and your bike turn left methink your bike problem push side handlebar will send left will slack quit will axel
rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl mar esac prahren esac peter ahren write articl mar cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write had plan thi year deliveri brand male offspr last mondai sound you your plan last year harlei davidson product deliveri lag and human gestat cycl perhap plan hiya pete that cbx nice hear you and final figur thi happen and step ensur storkish repetit that low drag bar and rad rearset for that ergonom constraint contracept consequ ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt chuck roger car torrei att car cbnewsj att
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp articl agat berkelei edu downei homer berkelei edu allen downei write fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck daniel matejka write fourth edit not high ucb gotta that list articl mcimail mcimail peter nesbitt write ride work last week hwy suisun pull chp black and white ga station jameson canyon road offic state look you kinda fast come highwai you and not agre disagre can you beat thi ticket person your duti citizen make troubl for give and leav alon somedai cop legal right nail you guess your speed brown author fight your ticket mention oakland judg convict speeder offic testimoni that driver car sound driven excess speed you can pai state and your insur compani you can court and creativ person never won that win judg listen polit and haven that attempt you argument that sinc bike shorter car speed nice offic accustom guess and speed appear greater left step two you idea you can make convinc theoret you suppos win never prove cop mistaken poor biker mix fact maximum acceler cop car and distanc cop had pace and end demonstr that couldn possibl fast cop had suggest brought diagram and calcul prepar lost mind cop thi time and word don guess fast bike time thi gui didn speak english and end absolut confound judg cop and room recent crimin twit gun and quota ahem won had present polish not applaus
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri us back mind make live ignor and intoler group level understand confus redneck and white trash confus understand substanti overlap two set can clarifi redneck primarili us back mind make live somewhat ignor standard never held educ basic read write math skill that import eventu vocat note not stupid ignor stupid high percentag group white trash white trash fit stereotyp refer word nigger black person met ad bonu that white trash mean hell father genuin lazi not work qualifi good for noth dishonest white peopl mean snake squeal pig boi deliver not redneck hell white trash white trash assuredli intoler group level understand redneck not curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
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rec.motorcycles	twit bicyclist joi articl apr spectrum xerox coolei xerox write asshol hope you kid exactli that kind attidu that get motorcyclist kill leather clad poseur watch swirv and swear pretend that don exist chang lane you find necesari wreck enjoy road boost your ego trueli you poseur aaron disgruntl volvo driver rebel steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	question arai quantum articl zqel uki edu amir uki edu amir sadr write want problem chin hang bottom helmet curiou whether thi problem switch extra larg size can for outer shell arai quantum size larg larger rounder etc helmet size larg pad foam larg such that head fit deeper helmet and chin not stick thi true for arthur fulmer helmet that chin hang bottom larg helmet and not larg larg not snug larg dealer will replac helmet addit cost ship want make that larg fact bigger liner such that chin will not hang and looser will head fit larg recent experi thi helmet hear mail you asap you amir not helmet for chin question you want write jai leno tonight show burbank calif good luck steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	live articl apr rchland ibm pooder rchland vnet ibm don fearn write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write sprain ankl onc and ride broke leg two place had knee surgeri navi back doctor put cast ass ankl method transportaion dohc honda time found that slide back seat us heel mention left leg oper shift hook end lever heel and lift entir leg for shift and drop leg lever for shift forget nutral finess for leg crutch bunge cord side bike top rest passeng peg and turnsign stick hole crutch dai rode mile physic therapi tourtur session doc give hell ride bike ride condit didn stop tho btw thi bike assembl second floor barrack room and rode stair complet not paid opinion speed suzuki dod
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp articl dmatejkac dmb netcom dmatejka netcom daniel matejka write articl agat berkelei edu downei homer berkelei edu allen downei write fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck daniel matejka write can you beat thi ticket person your duti citizen make troubl for give and leav alon somedai cop legal right nail you guess your speed brown author fight your ticket mention oakland judg convict speeder offic testimoni that driver car sound driven excess speed cough choke cop gave ticket for sound speed show court lawyer simpli sound speed ridicul found guilti appeal and show lawyer cop doesn vascar car plane radar lidar electron speed measur devic pace and mph limit court can accept cop excess fast limit look zone not reason doubt grant lose case measur ey court for axel
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rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl apr cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write articl mar esac prahren esac peter ahren write that low drag bar and rad rearset for that ergonom constraint contracept consequ ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt dunno tank seat junction nice and smooth you travel forward you collect top tripl clamp sensit area hate make choic prefer ga tank blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
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rec.motorcycles	drink and ride norman hamer maven eskimo wrote gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow depend badli you want live faa hour bottl throttl for pilot recommend twenti hour far blood alcohol level legal drunk twice strict dwi minimum btw alcohol metabol your blood fix rate beer hour will your blood alcohol level bare street legal coffe hyperventil and bar trick won speed will fool ranger stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
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rec.motorcycles	drink and ride cjackson adob curti jackson write articl mjmuis watstar uwaterloo mjmuis wat cop and don you dare drink drive commerci will drink gener drink and hr you legal limit watch you smart and eat food your drink food coat stomach line thing milk can temporarili retard absorpt alcohol food digest absorpt will proce and you will drunker higher instantan bac you you had drunk drink empti stomach put anoth food can you drunk drink empti stomach earli hour drunk drink empti stomach hour curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson alcohol server class absolut that eat drink can slow absorpt minut that time eat slam beer and ride hell make home minut left pai don helmet glove start bike dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
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rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl apr cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt ride goodi tank design corbin seat move you forward wouldn major danger cajon due acceler into and stop tank you wouldn impact problem michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
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rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl nnt dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu russel hugh write start and rev rpm fail cuz regist and max allow fail pipe gonna time make number believ thi poor flamebait get close sound jumbo jet engin takeoff rev small number yard pain threshold for human hell state permit standard curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
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rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die great dai back home last night fantast ski colorado and put batteri back fxstc clean plug open petcock wait minut hit starter and bingo start charm spent restless night anticip ride saison and thi morn state inspect bike stock for slash cut pipe and hampshir state inspect mean light work dude produc decibel meter and tell law nois huh sez and start and rev rpm fail cuz regist and max allow fail pipe gonna lotta piss biker round for inspect hei experi never felt menac societi park dismount and walk build slight swagger step and narrow lid sens faculti colleagu uneas intimid statu and women glanc linger longer perhap that imagin sigh instal bub pipe and singl fire ignit will that russ hugh fxstc dod love yeah that feel you you your motorcycl sonni barger told campbel friend time
rec.motorcycles	insect impact articl emoryu emori edu labrg emori edu ryan montieth gill write for had problem small bird larg raptor type swoop across road smallish prei had hawk falcon come feet lucki for for that matter notic and and pull trajectori last moment scare shit outa noth red tail hawk face talon and ride nighthawk hmmmm ryan male mallard duck chest onc kick karat instructor accid ey tear hard and wheez loudli that quit remark that come stop rubber side duck btw live and quit healthi sat roadsid and shook head for minut bruis collar bone belli button regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
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rec.motorcycles	carri crutch live articl pqhkl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write knee rebuilt back street bike asap put crutch rack and passeng seat and hung back long make ti tight front and problemo hmm sound trick local cager crutch length tail light give break leg us broke ankl dirt bike end strap crutch back bike ride lab ankl bike and start easili hand ivan reid paul scherrer institut ivan cvax psi gsx bewar drainag ditch firetrail dod
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rec.motorcycles	cold thing cold minut had stop and hold muffler for care thi your cold muffler will feel fine till you leav char skin you peel your hand speak experi you can kindsa american dai damag your circul warm hand hot fastest and safest shove hand opposit sleev and stand ming empor for minut
rec.motorcycles	cold ride season thing cold minut had stop and hold muffler for home hour gear for half hour hous humid wind protect and mph not mix hell thi warm retir fleec aerostich last month temperatur aboc live coupl year dole you afford heat you put gear octob abd you get bike luxuri comparison co oyur usuallu warm rel happi cold ride you kid pain that make worthwhil
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rec.motorcycles	eat and ride drink and ride articl pnakada apr pnakada oracl paul nakada pnakada oracl write feel eat and ride ride thi weekend and carri pecan pie ride back felt sluggish alert ride feel strangest thing that eat turnaround point weekend ride snack will that full sluggish feel closer home paul paul nakada oracl corpor pnakada oracl dod maintain sens sharpest never eat full meal hr ride slim fast lite ride found that lap time parliament build suffer sec result pound weight loss summer sharpen bike handl and can forward winter carbo load obligatori dave true that monei talk mine spoke bui drink
rec.motorcycles	thought yamaha seca turbo previou articl howp skyfox wonder yamaha seca turbo bui us seca turbo for canadian odo thi will bike comment thi cannot good faith recommend seca turbo power deliveri uneven for novic offici dod newbi bike choic powerband wide and deliveri smooth perfect for beginn dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
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rec.motorcycles	for sale husqvarna for sale model husqvarna enduro model year engin stroke extra ignit for easi start suspens aftershock custom carbon fiber kevlar skid plate quick steer geometri stock epa legal and quiet exhaust system bark buster and hand guard motion pro clutch cabl price contact deni concordel mail deni apldbio mabel work home sell trusti huski hopefulli bui husaberg thi good dirt bike and maintain perfectli never had problem stroke valv liquid cool engin heavier stroke lighter honda and lot suspens ohlin shock huski fork for casual competit rider engin two stroke you can easili lug hill and blast trail minimum gear ignit and carefulli tune carbur make thi bike easi start start kick cold hot custom made carbon kevlar light pound wrap skid plate protect engin case and water pump steer angl reduc degre increas steer quick thi suspens tune phil dougla aftershock multipl time isd rider ride bike plush suspens respons steer head shake such good bike sell gee want bui husaberg huski pound lighter and tad
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rec.motorcycles	safe drive prcatic articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write articl rbpc netcom rbp netcom bob pasker write cjackson adob curti jackson write solut never ride car thing you and space thi step never dilli dalli that rear side cage you pass make posit and you can pass fulli make that you attempt you can make driver awar you get into area vision thi appli merg into anoth lane make pass posit and rear view and shoulder and that acceler into lane that you speed cushion you miss potenti bdi that thing you wors you you made pass successfulli you aren fast suit you ride ey rich rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
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rec.motorcycles	max handl request ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl
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rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left side put foot back peg found that not pull into nearest park lot and discov that had hit wire wheel type hubcap larg cage thi hubcap weigh pound impact had bent left peg flat frame and tweek shifter process had not heard approach cap feel certian that san portion left foot had thi sort experi not hub cap lumber yard deliveri truck made life interest hit dip road and sheet sheetrock and dozen gallon can spackl mph real interest for second had us wood mallet dri spackl helmet and bike home bob tail kenworth and lumber truck had path drive made tire and threw monsoon tire ran can spackl didn burst impact car front lane hit brake and nail bridg abut half second messiest time san diego back apart ocean beach sportster and had pick shake burger fri jack box and stuf foul weather jacket milk shake open nimitz blvd mph noth smell vanilla milk shake cook engin run your groin and leg and peopl wait back you make left turn you two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack previou articl speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left side put foot back peg found that not pull into nearest park lot and discov that had hit wire wheel type hubcap larg cage thi hubcap weigh pound impact had bent left peg flat frame and tweek shifter process had not heard approach cap feel certian that san portion left foot hmmmm wonder that hubcap dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	max handl request previou articl ntuvax ntu ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl you kid thi flame bait extrem max handl har har har har dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
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rec.motorcycles	hard copi hot pursuit previou articl wcd uxa cso uiuc edu daniel warren thi run hard copi don watch that kat not latest machin high perform machin and slam brake cous that cage disco light can stop fast high perform machin happen cage plow into kat thi mean cop fault for rear end bike you close and reckless drive dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl ridden twice design monster straight line noth fzr corner fact didn handl that curv hei that not design two cent alan
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb mark kromer thu apr gmt wibbl articl rtaraz bigwpi ramin taraz wrote amount exhaust allow leav engin exhaust pipe make that differ amount air fuel mixtur that cylend suck suck depend speed piston and pressur cylind end exhaust stroke poor exhaust system thi pressur atmospher pipe that scaveng thi substanti below atmospher thi effect will vari rpm depend tune pipe pipe combin larg valv overlap can revers intak flow and blow mixtur carb pipe effect rev rang question resist engin consern resist that exhaust resist that result bike push and rider two complet thing state pipe determin power motor can make load bike determin power motor make ark fzr pilot payload mechan you for glad that fuel inject needl and orific and venturi and pressur wors school human biologi reproduct lesson sex made feel bit queasi nick simpl mind biker dod concis oxford tube rider lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write articl apr walter bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson wrote let thi fault stuff straight live start rate alot move and rate alot and stori you sit park lot lunch and wack you guess insur pai for give bzzzt driver fault your insur pai you deduct recoup total cost gui gal compani fanci word for escap and pai you deduct you can gui gal compani take longer your cash oppos state farm cut check todai spot for damag wife cage word subrog you will wait for monei scumbag insur that you save pai deduct scumbag insur scum insur you pai deduct your insur pack rabid larg fang lawyer recov damag scum insur lawyer sad true call job secur for lawyer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	bike big dog articl apr cua edu wendel cua edu write heard rider give big dog such great dane ride back bike dog love make work wendel cua edu back tricki boulder gui that can golden retriev sidecar dog wear wwii style goggl joke nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want frankb sad frank ball write godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl wrote ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power produc specif meet vehicl tax restrict market make commerci viabl not sold unneed and unwant such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast flaw mention limit steer lock annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size nope lb lightrer power and brake singl disk that quit impress two finger lever beth horror lift rear wheel fine randi mamola impress such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast feel that fast that beth will give liter bike rider fit futur flaw mention limit steer lock steer lock adjust annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect beth see fine fill black leather concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	dot tire date code mail thi notic long cut tread rear tire vfr cut deep tread block and scratch rubber base weird thing edg haven scuf tire question danger thi replac tire and sinc cut unscuf portion and tire you chanc get replac warranti nedod mail list and jack tavar suggest check tire tactic for get replac file read date code handi dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	fat boi versu math articl pimfd cre agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write articl mcz ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write manual velcro mar wibbl greater greater obviou that number last year hot improv thi year can question hell dad us that beat todai break sweat twisti thi year cumbersom for practic us repeat decim rememb good dai hexadecim and even binari legal smoke blue stuff pipe had hex that slaughter decim road sigh such nostalgia regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow interest discuss limit standard serv alcohol ride and alcohol special fine al good wine vsop don drink alcohol isn import for financi reason magazin claim follow aviat guidelin alcohol whatsoev hr ride compani bike don rememb mag year ago regard charl hicc dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	for joh dhhalden last wvnvm wvnet edu write ducati uue quuncd ver theodor kaldi begin cut cut part nyr afkin apyt thi gif great backdrop apollo thingi and peopl stop and admir that troubl contact archiv site stuff thi good gif don hesit post bra thing nick idiot biker dod concis oxford bra lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	camp question sanjai sinha apr gmt wibbl post previou quest for camp info anoth question not strictli stuff for thermo flask coffe hot mean real hot unbreak type metal type wast monei not match vacuum glass type info appreci sanjai back youth ahem wiffi and moi purchas gadget heat water sourc for car us thought work apart slight problem had rev lower and motor die lack electron movement made for interest cup coffe plot rout that contain straight mile that had suffici time water boil point thi sometim difficult england good luck your quest nick biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	turbocharg motorbik north america articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write think don manufactur make bike turbo etc add lot expens and complex and make for reliabl and control bike extrem exampl turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog jame bessett jimb cbnewsj att wrote articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write heard dog breeder that chain bicycl and motorcycl produc high frequenc squeak that dog love chase breeder chase bmw cam chain mike mike mitten gnome org emori org gnome ama dod ironi spice life bianchi backstreet suzuki revolut will not televis
rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left rest delet had thi sort experi dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can hubcap attack fairli common cager incompet reinstal properli chang tire check collis luckili heavi that you moor dod don forget immort swap file read error you lose your mind
rec.motorcycles	gpz run bitch mail you your domain not exist can even sinet slb admit know geco articl innjl griffin orpington sgp slb you wrote subject gpz run bitch cure for sub run prob gpz below rev and bike cut time recommend cure bike mag switch engin for minut thaw ic thi not mutch cure mine had kawasaki heat carb mod problem persist cover rad make bike run warmer and move problem temp scale degre two dynojet kit get desper carb fuel inject gpz you talk kawasaki anoth version upgrad kit worth phone call you carb mod you bui secondhand that had that orpington kent you heard ogri mail list run email list for biker and interest parti live daili digest you want subscrib good luck dave david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	can afford goldw mirror search luck for faq left aspencad mirror and honda for thi anoth piec chrome replac black plastic that wing come liber suppli that silli price mirror piec safeti equip fact that honda place concern for profit ahead concern for safeti convinc that thi wing will like last mean time anybobi ripoff sourc for mirror keith smith keith hydra unm edu
rec.motorcycles	latest socal ride southern california ridelist send updat thi ride list rememb street ride that open biker post inc phone for info send your mail address you want mail copi thi list suggest call make that info current you find info strive for accuraci cannot respons for error mail address paulb harlei tti coffe donut live music food drink sinc last post address end post apr annual laughlin river run ride run point socal concert poker run parti etc etc thi sponsor southern calif harlei dealer assoc bike reserv socal harlei dealer river run hotlin discount room reserv concert tix tue sat noon apr annual race memorabilia show sale art print photo litho model book apr scma rout tour apr scma trac gypsi tour santa monica john lane apr tax time run for monei abat pin prize game raffl free you join twin citi brea canyon walnut manni apr annual gwta loma linda children hospit benefit run free start hot dog etc finish skip fordyc motor indiana av riversid apr mma state overnight frazier park apr yuma prison run mailin gate camp apr paso robl clean sober run paso robl fairground apr shamrock annual scenic bywai tour start rout simi vallei honda av cycl part baselin san bernadino picnic bbq lake hugh apr mra chap poker run american legion south peri steve hill ama grand nat dirt track seri race pomona fairplex kpfk centerstand radio show and car show will broadcast live autobook etc magnolia burbank carshow start noonb centerstand abat poker run east end bucklin park imperi vallei includ food entertain barbara pmc annual greenhorn tour song dog ranch spring ralli overnight camp thi famousmotorcycl campground you can eat drink bbq dinner sundai bkfst person reserv april song dog ranch cuyama ojai thi number bsa owner club spring ride castaic land album releas celebr helmet law suck billi gordon blue rocker vida hot spring lambert east mile left special guest raffl annual spring round rodeo abat bike game pin raffl start game noon coupl free you join robbi restaur hwy btwn perri lake elsinor georg susan allen melani swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa cnty swap meet christian assn socal ralli assembl god church nisqual victorvil bob quintard mother annual awar dai abat american legion hall gardena crnr normandi gardena vendor raffl game etc free pin doc carol dieter blue knight annual benefit ride start cycl part west san diego harold crosbi run for wall truck stop meet ontario camp motel each night stop ride end vietnam veteran memori wall washington bike expect meet call rod coffei alt info send john anderson deer creek paso robl call long beach part exchang veteran memori stadium jambore tular cnty fairgnd tular ride show benefit poker run sun raffl game start noon fridai free for blaze saddl tour scma ariel owner club annual event greenfield av chuck walton jun fun sun ride mma bakersfield jun class act tour jun silver eagl run palomar san diego jun ventura swap show shop ventura fairgnd jun annual summer solstic poker run pig feed abat coupl free you join pig roast game raffl swim pin swallow inn ortega hwy san juan capistrano earl rick jun mma bike fest mariposa fairground hwy hwy mile camp trade show game advanc gate info tix jun hope hous benefit run scma jul bike show accessori unltd jul abat christma juli jul beach ride benefit except children foundat jul abat timer poker run jul annual unicoast ride and joust start west coast and pine glen campground mammoth lake for dai weekend fun usenet person your fond flame mail list contact joust request harlei tti jul iron hors poker run jul annual nation ride work dai jul quaff palomar annual overnight jolla campground jul annual summer food run abat jul swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa aug accessori unltd ride aug hot august night poker run aug tour scma area aug song dog ranch summer ralli overnight camp thi famou motorcycl campground classic you can eat drink bbq dinner sundai bkfst person reserv aug song dog ranch cuyama ojai thi number aug vet benefit run trac aug mma chicken roast camarillo park sep annual flag classic juarez mexico southern alberta canada person receiv frank weed sep abat golden state rendezv fri noon mon mid state fairground paso robl sep iron hors rocket run sep black gold poker run taft sep redwood run sep bonanza tour shamrock oct swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa oct song dog ranch fall ralli overnight camp thi famou motorcycl campground you can eat drink bbq dinner sundai bkfst person reserv oct song dog ranch cuyama ojai thi number oct scma grand tour oct easyrid motorcycl rodeo antelop vallei fairground hwy av exit lancast oct annual griffith park sidecar ralli miner spring area park doug bingham oct mra chap ride nov love ride benefit muscular dystrophi assoc sponsor glendal san fernando glendal nov toi kei run scma area nov awar dai abat nov accessori unlimit poss ride dec swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa dec hathawai children center toi run ongo event notic swap meet show santa spring drive alondra blvd thur fee note that april move free seminar saturdai luftmeist inc long beach tune centerstand radio program for motorcyclist saturdai kpfk parent partner club meet sat coco brea colina road diamondbar club for women form diamond and pearl marc motorcycl amateur radio club meet sat denni santa ana net wed info rai bonni address follow camp fwy north azusa av hwy east fork mile east camp hint for bridg accessori unlimit lyon av newhal cycl part west beach blvd westminist
rec.motorcycles	bmwmoa controversi articl rider joe rider cactu org write vech msstate edu craig vechorik write good boi that long agre you that current board garbag vote you simpli trade form trash for anoth oppon your select equal time joe don you post you ration bmwmoa folk left rest summari current state affair your esteem organ togeth histor outlin you contretemp point will deduct for shout bulg vein templ area pete ahren
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss articl lsp mginnud cash utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write thi noth motorcycl you bike thi noth motorcycl you amazona bike keith hanlan keithh bnr bell northern research ottawa canada
rec.motorcycles	bmw batteri keith hanlan wed apr gmt wibbl articl apr msstate edu vech msstate edu craig vechorik write rememb correctli reason that bmw come expens and rel worthless short live varda batteri bmw own control interest that batteri manufactur wrong bmw batteri never had problem and numer peopl that origin batteri year beemer kai origin batteri nick suffici charg biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	turbocharg motorbik north america articl dc qmw david dc qmw dave edmondson write extrem exampl turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati can scroung good turbo will trade mhr duc for jeff earl jearl tekig pen tek dod kottg kotspt wmtc ama millennium falcon squid factor klr thumpi hit button chewi han solo ain nothin mph sweeper idaho rocki
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox articl unisql rai unisql rai shea write can deltabox frame and relat that frame hawk that time gui come park lot and sez hei dude nice bike that deltabox frame can duh huh deltabox regist trademark yamaha us describ aluminum perimet frame design us fzr and fzr cross section side appear call pentabox dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl secur bike park front bar week dog and wander find had happen stole damn dog left harlei dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	ticket advic worth you paid can anoth subject that gener contradictori advic traffic law and enforc opinion and dead acur inform extrem difficult come dmv doesn cop don your traffic school instructor doesn vehicl code tell part stori judg choos interpret law wide varieti wai and public larg seldom hear advic that doesn disagre experienc you don suggest you copi vehicl code studi and sit dai two court and happen read fight your ticket don miss section end your chanc lousi and you basic screw you guess pretti system california carefulli prepar for court bring wit and reveal hole offic stori slap maximum allow fine assess messag clear that judg not john public case advic you find ticket traffic school you can matter lawyer lawyer can present exact case you differ sentenc paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought vfr gui san jose net that mile odomet mark andi live pittsburgh bought dude massachusett connecticut axel
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	dot tire date code rec motorcycl cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write nedod mail list and jack tavar suggest check tire tactic for get replac file read date code handi quit simpl code week and year manufactur rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought moto guzzi univ grad student charlottesvil last spring mark cervi cervi oasi navi mil dod mgnoc moto guzzi kinda bike that moto guzzi that italian mark cervi carderockdiv nswc code annapoli cervi oasi navi mil
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact articl apr skcla monsanto mpmena skcla monsanto write michael man that blockhead gargoyl thing that work for michael menard you showin highland hous compar sunglass weather saturdai sundai suck todai time good you give for gargoyl you want mine you can bridg nose hold face deal for two friend for peopl us full face helmet bet fit you and complaint person oaklei desir squid attir gargoyl aren that ugli even opinion wouldn michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	bike contact lens radial keratotomi articl rice edu jcn rice edu write radial keratotomi want per ey that lot contact lens and sunglass and lot monei make tini mistak jeff nichol don exactli your ey chang contact correct for question thi due strang conic shape your cornea take surgeri michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl qhm mb new ysu edu albion bower yfn ysu edu write yeah mph quarter such slug come last time you us your max power peak you ride pass judgement lot maximum acceler didn mean impli that ninja duc talk duc owner owner that power overwhelm that love guess bit specif you that weigh that for extra cube that fact that gtv show that don care maximum power slug exclus note and handl import bought ninja couldn afford duc didn mean ruffl feather get year mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb articl jburnei hydra nodc noaa gov jburnei hydra nodc noaa gov jeff burnei write talk stroke can understand exhaust puls affect stroke intak valv close exhaust stroke and ga push cyclind guess ga compress that affect amount push limit factor header pipe and not canist mean gase line canist effect exhaust stroke gase compress that for discuss purpos will ignor dynam effect puls exhaust pipe and paint mental pictur engin supercharg pressur forc air into intak tract atmospher time intak valv open pressur differenti move air differ combust chamber pressur left exhaust stroke and atmospher piston decend intak stroke combust chamber pressur decreas allow atmospher pressur move air into intak tract time pressur becom neg even approach good vacuum time exhaust valv close pressur combust chamber essenti pressur exhaust system major flow restrict muffler note that volum ga that flow exhaust larger volum that flow intak temperatur differ and product combust last year japanes manufactur start pai attent exhaust and intak tune pursuit almighti horsepow thi point time high perform bike substitut aftermarket free flow air filter will almost affect perform stock intak system flow substitut aftermarket exhaust system will make differ gener exhaust system louder stocker older bike exhaust back pressur domin factor free flow air filter substitut differ note free flow exhaust system instal gener engin can visual air pump rpm that will engin pump air intak exhaust side will produc horsepow pump air will requir recalibr rejet carburetor dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride person follow alcohol rule bike view that you such high degre control that alcohol potenti hazard bike hurt fault don want wreck katana develop thi philosophi impromptu experi had beer even and had volleybal practic wasn even close leagl intox couldn perform even basic thing thi made view alcohol and intox you fine your reaction affect such that you unabl recov hit rock even gust wind greatli enjoi social drink for doesn mix ride max enjoy eric
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas you gave advic custom recommend had bike compress test compress low even across cylind psi that test cold that explain low number thi sound bike look great sign road rash and rust thi bike great shop get tune and tire opt for metzler and tire post thi thread thi bike big compar bike alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride jami burnsid jburnsid mit edu
rec.motorcycles	fault insur compani for fault coverag sinc major accid cager fault doesn thi impli that pai higher rate fault system car system make sens surfac legal cost system motorcyclist screw michael chuck bain meb icdf boe semi loud pipe save live
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb jump into middl thi thread not talk comment rec motorcycl davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write engin supercharg pressur forc air into intak tract atmospher time intak valv open pressur differenti move air differ combust chamber pressur left exhaust stroke and atmospher piston decend intak stroke combust chamber pressur decreas allow atmospher pressur move air into intak tract time pressur becom neg even approach good vacuum number factor that import biggest air veloc air momentum and shock wave veloc stack us for year and us insid stock airbox number bike tune engin rpm stack can greatli increas speed and momentum air rush air momentum critic get good air intak momentum air stack combust chamber will forc insid long piston begun compress stroke shock wave us induc air intak and prevent fresh air escap exzhaust port shock wave product expans chamber mean present wall open close air motion thi lost mysteri design for shock wave rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng rule thumb don give ride peopl that wear bigger helmet you your tast run that famili friend gee remind dancer hull river ottowa that year ago for bought bigger helmet even bike want two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl castl wbg festiv geak write banana isn imho ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage your local hospit favorit curs your skin stick frozen bed pan your appl juic mistakenli drawn urinalisi lab two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	contact person for boot articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write dodland give contact purchas pair militari air born combat boot size boot read rec moto calf height boot that us velcro for enclosur phone and carri such item admit not into deepest bowel nyc for search made call bigger armi navi type store luck place that carri such item mail order appreci velcro jump boot issu militari two kind made cochran and sell for cloth sale store cavalri price match cav store second sold somewhat cheaper design don care you wear long eyelet high anoth boot call tanker boot thi similar construct wellington boot for boot shape and strap that wrap for tight nice boot two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir thing fault isn two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl secur articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write bike park front bar week dog and wander find had happen stole damn dog left harlei anim right peopl that bike ride dog cat and racoon two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	bui vrf mark bricker mnb rit edu wrote market for bike and recent found honda vrf dealership bike mile and had two previou owner employe dealership told good care bike two question thi mile for bike thi not mile for car unfamiliar life span bike thi decent price unfamilar price for us bike blue book for bike for car for advic you can give mark mark not mile vfr sold maintain vfr mile and engin mint condit that bike need steer head bear and fork bush and seal gui bought had mechan pull valv cover top end compress check etc confirm mint for price steep bought mile year ago and absolut cherri condit for bluebook your bank credit union for price coupl ad for vfr dollar rang low mile mint condit didn vfr sweet bike and will last you forev you maintain thing for btw soft front end vfr indic mile fork spring total shot progress spring fix good luck ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	bui vrf mark bricker mnb rit edu wrote market for bike and recent found honda vrf dealership bike mile and had two previou owner employe dealership told good care bike two question thi mile for bike thi not mile for car unfamiliar life span bike thi decent price unfamilar price for us bike blue book for bike for car for advic you can give mark ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss read you folk thing illeg park car made carri cinder block bike readi damag kei carv etc cage had idea chain lube isn for chain anymor reason perman damag lot work don us anywher windshield door handl keyhol etc nasti mood rain ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact previou articl npet bnr nick pettefar jonathan quist thu apr gmt wibbl articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot nice thing hors that break middl you can eat and tasti fuel bit cheaper per gallon bushel perhap eat amount dai matter you ride and you don fuel die annual basi spend bike stuff ami wife hors stuff two hors umm lessee bike ride constantli ride time week even you count insur and cost garag built get cheaper and fun imho fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	dod paraphernali stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford articl pppnrinnitg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni wrote decal thicker vinyl geeki temporari tatoo mean rub exempt razz that sick want you make promis order wannab badtothebon cheesi live ride eagl sit shelf wait for big ride coast hit point farther south expect contact bai area denizen repli address below charli will earli mid idea temporari geeki geeki geeka geekii fit dod imag sound bad wors ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli slmr luca built weapon war wouldn start comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl courier subject motorcycl courier summer job repli will start earnest return trip pacif coast geograph featur not bike ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr bike will travel quickli quickli comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl qegpf sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write sound ludicr for biker advoc restrict bike bike forum don you mean motorcyclist roid
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr megatek randi megatek randi davi write rider pilot happi had such effect your choic word seth time respect respons post that randi post doesn count dearth respons and didn want feel randi curiou thi dod thing number roid
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg thi you find case harlei rider give wave and ride secur knowleg that persob huh roid
rec.motorcycles	recommend for front tire articl hrxj ac unix amherst edu nrmendel unix amherst edu nathaniel endel write ken orr orr epcot spdc wrote articl unix amherst edu nrmendel unix amherst edu nathaniel mendel write steve mansfield smm rodan net wrote front tire dead minim tread left time for recommend good tire front ride almost brand back steve mansfield system learn equal smm uunet net street realiti weak and poor will fall suzuki tip power balanc and tear crown dod educ mass burn white hous queensrych speak word thing match front and back that perfect such good tire that perfect rear match for front laser dod ama orr epcot spdc yeah nathaniel dod you front tire motorcycl grin
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl qmvutinn lynx unm edu galwai chtm eec unm edu deni mckeon write heavi traffic slow bit buffer zone front balanc minim buffer find that jerk will notic traffic move faster lane switch into and pass fine can ey jerk ahead front split attent ahead and mirror thi pretti damn complic make back motion hand arm and second time even braindead cager back don back find hell cager psychot drunk complet asshol case don want anywher and not front curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	choke ninja problem articl apr kuhub ukan edu starr kuhub ukan edu write put supertrapp slip and had carb jet match set filter that replac stock airbox huge flat spot carbur thousand rpm gear thi frustrat highwai bike like cruis mph happen rpm sixth gear had tune and thi doesn think carb inject system gpz suggest for fix restor stock starr kuhub ukan edu brain dead ted nugent sound that your carb not jet properli you shop and shop your monei back and anoth shop bennett leve sabr drown throw orlando bagel hoggl hoggl bleve peora sdc ccur
rec.motorcycles	airhorn review for you think fiamm you want airhorn instal set bosch air horn order denni kirk latest catalog rate meter instal gage wire batteri relai compressor ground stock horn connector fit relai pin fine solder connect relai and compressor and us crimp type batteri connector and inlin amp fuse connector napa instal compressor forward fuse box front fair tie wrap steer head frame and black steel tube frame us support front fair you remov front fair thi fit frame insid fair two vertic support front fuse depend tight your fair follow frame you fit fair compressor diamet and long relai mount front steer head frame small plenti good place for found perfect place for horn that requir tie wrap mount horn fit insid front fair frame and stick side front air scoop turn signal back horn point back center bike and come real close ga tank connect front part frame room full lock lock clearanc and nice cut out frame for back horn into short horn even fair and long stick inch not that notic you close end point slightli and degre straight ahead perfect for cager chang lane into you you question mount email and can explain your bike not red you want paint work you loud sound european sport car truck vast improv stock us daili sinc instal and amp fuse not blown durat horn blast short repeatedli scare shit friend even that horn jump perfect for keep pedestrian sidewalk bottom line work loud pain and suffer stupid lane chang cage year live and rel easi instal ymmv tjk horn that suit you fight fire comment aerostich
rec.motorcycles	bui advic need for advic bui susuki inher flaw bike problem for insur rate thi bike blacklist person never ridden motorcycl bui start crazi told peopl start small and that lage handl start pound tad bit small yeah question chicago area good instruct school program aquant bui and kill get home brian email direcli not chanc read your group
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write agreement that two explan for can us handlebar lean move motorcycl question effect domin and idea design experi seaprat two characterist and effect produc similar result bike familiar you point experi difficult physic situat calcul fact effect contribut lean bike begin turn gyro effect caus torqu twist bike contact patch shift side caus bike fall contact patch acceler side caus torqu twist bike averag bike rider averag bike wheel and speed and mph calcul twist bar need produc degre lean second each effect alon guess that slow speed domin and high speed domin and speed contribut not bugger rel speak similar problem thi runner run round corner lean into corner fast run group start counter foot argument and fall work round corner chri malcolm cam aifh depart artifici intellig edinburgh univers forrest hill edinburgh dod
rec.motorcycles	kawasaki for sale includ tha sale cover cover not sold separ trailer not sold pat
rec.motorcycles	info sport cruiser for sport cruiser factori instal fair full half hard saddl bag and and that and that sporti and seri bmw bike wonder compar type bike produc compani bmw for info jae jae cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack azw aber andi woodward write revers thi sequenc hit bugger acceller stabilis hate thing that attack dog think you run establish domin funni noisi sheep thing and will attack bike that come for fun you can hurt bugger learn that below bike peck order and you save life futur biker evas action avoid dog put truck never avoid dog for dog sake you hate admit thi sort twist logic thi approach biker world and dog anoth worthless adversari rememb wear calf height leather boot case dog get lucki and sink teeth into your attack foot and for gusto that dog doesn retreat street tail leg time you you haven your bit for your fellow biker thi appli cage can thi dog and armor cage doesn fair fight dog control menac road user and compunct felt ensur your safeti mean destruct forc game not you dog eat dog world dave
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff hotli contest bmwoa elect and inept leadership question histori bmw organ that lead format bmwra year ago that precipit format two compet owner group stave flame rel member group and differ slick magazin major differ that gui fun art art campbel artc world std compuserv dod real bmw two wheel opinion noth thi world beat vincent and redhead girl richard thompson
rec.motorcycles	happi easter ranck joesbar edu ranck write nick pettefar npet bnr wrote english car rover reliant morgan bristol roll royc etc talk harlei technolog morgan peopl us technolog suspens design hasn chang sinc wheel back and not had reach pinnacl good design that point you want pick morgan not attack ash wood frame hand bent metal skin and replac thought kingpost suspens mog featur karen black
rec.motorcycles	dog biker and dog lover and foremost want mention common sens choic injur kill dog get injur kill ration decis insan anim right kook put dog second learn read dog bodi languag you react dog chase you think game and that you plai complet you react dog hostil intent learn present dog dog social beast and recogn domin submiss hierarchi dog two type fellow creatur that domin and that domin you unambigu repres class you god you easili anger and your anger terribl god amus properli submit domin and even rare occas dispens kind word kind word even joi raptur unforeseen dog bisquit that relat bike good idea assum that dog chase motorcycl game and not overt hostil msf suggest good you dog come slow determin place intercept you and reach that spot punch throttl that reach you long dog second react input and cannot comprehend acceler that motorcycl capabl hostil dog you repeatedli encount stronger measur thi face and import make you never face dog territori face road not drivewai larg stick roll newspap etc beast will understand that will hurt stand your ground slowli advanc your mental attitud that you angri and dispens terribl punish larger dog greater your anger dog will pick anger can pick fear and sinc you and not home territori suddenli dawn dog that perhap your territori and that you prepar fight death dog will decid that good idea retreat territori home advantag observ that you satisfi that retreat gestur submiss and escap punish interest thing dog that bodi languag commun great deal effect you commun bodi languag you year pound beast learn trick
rec.motorcycles	misc bui info need think bui motorcycl and question bui guid for us motorcycl that list reliabl bui process for etc price guid for us motorcycl blue book book articl ride cross countri motorcycl camp etc idiot guid motorcycl relat inform help respond directli lot jordan
rec.motorcycles	drain batteri problem batteri honda nighthawk week dead and recharg ride bike dai batteri and charg system check and fine suspicion that drain you idea caus thi problem sinc mechan and clueless ljubomir
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect rec motorcycl klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write peopl wave return wave harlei harlei rider seldom wave back duck squid don wave return wave even each can hand bar fall problem that squid and badassbik can recogn each wave you ride cruiser you wave lift two finger left hand remov that hand handlebar you ride crotch rocket you lower left hand ankl level palm forward and call that wave gener bike rider rais hand handlebar and wave easi wave chri
rec.motorcycles	lane share year ride citi san jose santa clara and sunnyval never into conflict local polic lane split habit citi list earlier anti split anoth can whether thi due luck polic kind not ordin citi continu revco
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm interest dog collis stori delet worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit worri happen had car dog consol thought that insan bdi cager whip blind drivewai mph for that matter drivewai long for car hit mph end eagerli await comment drivewai and half neighbor drivewai long good click mph for veloc impair want grant live countri neighbor whip drivewai mention mph quit bit claim can that road for quit wai thi despit hit drive chev and twice take speed bicycl hood car that had pull stop driver car two month apart obmoto scari relev part that peopl and live type twisti two lane that favor for ride and damn that can bike not couldn pickup ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr hurt dammit jim doctor comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop noth pitter patter feet word hei you not daddi had onc dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and car and start take bu that you can drink your prioriti lai expect that thi list lost friend drive drunk that collect sympathi will somewhat mute show great restraint keith hanlan keithh bnr bell northern research ottawa canada
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl qmnga new ysu edu yfn ysu edu albion bower write previou articl bgardner pebbl blain gardner guess touch exactli ducati twin desmo that half twin balanc weight cylind second for isn bad specif ran quater last small twin duc and pantah base twin pantah and ran credit modern carb and not put high btw fzr ran mid and latest crop japanes will run that hard rememb goof will clobber handili top end and roll technolog stand for not hard rememb bought place speed war cbx eleven mile and hors that wouldn even make good dai paid for technolog isn thing that chang ride across state guess indic thing chang that second didn line blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write huh roid complet tack eventu outcom babe bad mouth biker chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	happi easter karen black karen angelo amd wrote ranck joesbar edu ranck write nick pettefar npet bnr wrote english car rover reliant morgan bristol roll royc etc talk harlei technolog morgan peopl us technolog you want pick morgan not attack ash wood frame hand bent metal skin and replac thought kingpost suspens mog featur hei wasn pick morgan us technolog that noth wrong technolog peopl us shovel dig hole even lot power implement dig hole bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi karr cornel edu david karr write organ act easi can and organ will larg determin presid and director can that make import vote elect offic rememb heard that last elect member cast vote current board and friend and rel make membership plan stai club long vote and result strike that bmwmoa lot polit activ state and nation arena not infight organ chang thi join group that polit wouldn support moa polit activ that sens ama that and moa support ama manner that ama that accomplish strong front two not neccessarili coordin joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi vech msstate edu craig vechorik write wrote slash two blue for bit humor lack moa owner new stuff rode dai that rode second dai thi admit surpris find interest read bore and worthless mag bodi sens humor peopl had mine dunno peopl your intend humor like articl you forget that you step into polit arena intent you intend you walk china store carri that your head you you repres membership dai you don american polit light heart joke segment popul can limelight obmoto manag squeak refer joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger write bui bmw cast vote for groucho thought you gonna bui bmw for superior power and handl joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want spoke sale dweeb ducati dealer blighti and had noth good appear waaaai underpow basic engin and qualiti problem rusti frame save your penni bui
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi heard academ polit thought appli bmwmoa polit dirti stake small care due worth ad and occasion technic articl new skip gener drab articl trek across iowa folk thrill power bmwmoa deserv thrill sad live provid btw vote for blood thing stir henri prang physiolog sch med blgtn dod bmwmoa gsi ride conv cage explor cage tenet major religion you wrong you deserv punish
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin exb csdvax csd unsw edu wrote dod er goddamn mysteri for goodi love puzzl watson game afoot todai turn degre corner dai slight differ rough spot path caus suspens compress mid corner and part bike hit ground tangibl thunk pull opportun su damag stuff delet you engin type you explain thi can you rip tightli fit steel thread thread hole alloi damag thread hole thi sort tech design thingo guess you make left turn correct edg stud contact road caus turn and unthread you had make turn tighten stud bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj secondli adhes mj tyre road suspens geometri and ground clearanc mj motorcycl dictat quickli you can swerv avoid obstacl and mj not knowledg physic rider ear you mj suggest that counterst knowledg enabl you corner faster mj compet you manag egreen east sun write not will hei you didn give chanc sheesh answer absolut eloqu describ put two rider ident machin and that will faster improv your techniqu you idea trial and error not effect methodolog understand techniqu steer motorcycl can improv that techniqu hold that thi appli human endeavor li kei thi thread kindli note differ respons and talk know ride techniqu mike argu know physic taught techniqu counterst push bar insid turn that learn fizzik gyroscop and ic cream cone and such parallel thread that stuff interest techno motorcycl geek reader rec motorcycl doesn taught averag student learn steer mike doesn make distinct peopl can carv circl couldn you newton hand intellig educ peopl that you steer motorcycl lean steer bicycl combin and knowledg physic doesn you squat knowledg techniqu bill
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg not wave wink you ey hard that shield and sunglass hei you true rider real ride attitud you sens chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	dog articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write hostil dog you repeatedli encount stronger measur thi face and import make you never face dog territori face road not drivewai larg stick roll newspap etc beast will understand that will hurt stand your ground slowli advanc your mental attitud that you angri and dispens terribl punish larger dog greater your anger thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	asshol articl jrobbin apr kingston ucla edu you rambl articl lee sea ucla edu small thunder sea ucla edu jame small write asshol scooter owner tripl park bike todai jim call propl asshol you flame learn spell asshol endem two wheel motor commun that jason wise respect hahahha made stereotyp remark unsophist you you had come your ivori tower and stoop you lower level geekism endem albino phoosbal plai commun and drive volvo rememb send your flame jrobbin ucla edu formal educ can not provid dod
rec.motorcycles	safe drive prcatic articl cvbnetprim rbemben timewarp prime rich bemben write never dilli dalli that rear side cage you pass make posit and you can pass fulli make that you attempt you can make driver awar you get into area vision thi read lot philosophi musashi book ring section long sword that strong and decis hmmm thing chang ride ey awful thing call your pillion rich fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good power corrupt check explos that cryptographi polici whitehous fridai caus curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	misc bui info need think bui motorcycl and question bui guid for us motorcycl that list reliabl bui process for etc price guid for us motorcycl blue book book articl ride cross countri motorcycl camp etc idiot guid motorcycl relat inform help respond directli lot jordan jonathan field field ci ohio state edu
rec.motorcycles	wheel rear wheel for part find salvag long get givi luggag for brunnhild and room thought carri spare ride free bill johnsw wsuvm csc wsu edu prez bimc kotv kotrr dod ama spi wmtc kotd yamabeem pdr special and volvo pain inevit suffer option
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die rec motorcycl egreen east sun write rev throttl requir di engag clutch acceler not harlei chri
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl rememb commerci for cheap top heavi import cage back driver wear stuck fake anounc smile straight fit
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup isn thi redund
rec.motorcycles	dog articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write biker and dog lover biker such horrid reput find human interest thing dog that bodi languag commun great deal effect you commun bodi languag you agre complet major feel can even start ration abhout dog that kill fear moment set you bit road never had problem dog curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	rgv and pose articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl spam math adelaid edu amydlak spam math adelaid edu adam mydlak write squid delet helment law vari state state state louisiana law personali not feet bike law law helment will save your life feet draw line blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	comment honda interceptor articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write purchas honda interceptor for cdn don mileag thi bike pictur trader magazin good shape can enlighten whether thi good purchas good bike thi will bike realiz that for beginn consid bit bike heard friend that onc beginn that had start that start bigger bike care and not drive skill level had consid and post two week ago purchas yamaha seca turbo wari prospect deal turbo road and shop thi bike price drop cdn honda good bike comment word heavi steer heavi turn requir alot effort hard access larg motor weak small front fork anti dive gizmo
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike speed chain secondari lace wheel buckhorn tachomet saddlebag support sissi bar high flow air cleaner dark candi red jeff derienzo zorro tyngsboro
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	flash articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write bike hazard light front and back turn signal flash sinc live and commut nyc number toll pai rout arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact take glove get monei coin changer pocket make transact put glove back take time averag cager take make transact pai toll notic that thi cager tend messag and anoth booth question thi good bad thing thi sound good thing tend will whenev don handi dandi automat coin fetcher toll payer annett for tip chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write articl apr walter bellcor bzzzt driver fault your insur pai you deduct recoup total cost gui gal compani fanci word for escap and pai you deduct you can gui gal compani take longer your cash oppos state farm cut check todai spot for damag wife cage word subrog you will wait for monei scumbag insur that you save pai deduct scumbag insur scum insur you pai deduct your insur pack rabid larg fang lawyer recov damag scum insur lawyer sad true call job secur for lawyer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi you sound suspici fault doesn even advertis get lawyer loop sigh anoth naiv illus toilet tommi mcguir mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect amaz number harlei rider wave even lowli babi ninja good attitud brock yate thi month car and driver readi for war rode buss biker freedom that wanna and obsess world your rearview mirror you run sun wheel rhestless heart marti ninja motosport
rec.motorcycles	camp backpack articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write crafti girfriend make campfir bbq starter mcgiver heck you make you can bui candl wax pound cheper candl hell save your candl stub and bring light and dribbl wax kindl wood and light that belli button lint eggshel case idea you feel industri event even you can soggi summer open fuel line drain piec rough rotten wood stick that into middl inferno and carefulli strike match kurt vonnegut titl chapter cat cradl whoom work charm time dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing niel mikkel yesss you make proud merkun good thing you didn shot don that good ol boi texa onc had jeep driver south conro cut car had flip for idiot and senseless lb stretch jeep walk back block traffic dalla and houston sinc freewai squeez into singl lane and stick that finger and rip your hand and shove your ass throat stare straight ahead unblink hundr car honk eventu back into jeep face beet red anger and rest back houston tail wave honk flip yell glad decid not shoot dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl qjn sixgun east sun egreen east sun write waterski bike you turn handlebar left lean motorcycl thi support move contact patch beneath centr mass theori lean thi contradict for gyroscop precess counterst induc lean for waterski bike contradict noth for motorcycl not that thi morn for waterski bike sea doo for care watch lengthi carefulli and case and speed rider turn handlebar left left and word not counterst perhap waterski bike counterst curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	european insur europ advic for citizen live and work itali for year and bui motorcycl italian friend arriv washington state work for two year and find difficult obtain car insur thought licens motorcycl endors unlimit displac and had for year washington state motorcycl safeti instructor that info will post summari even person experi bui bike and get insur itali marc lewi two kind peopl world olivetti north america divid world into marcl mail spk olivetti two kind thing and don
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip mbeav bnr michael beavington write don you hate speedo and tach your bike start cloud that nasti sunshin detail tip week us rub compound moisten rag appli rub compound and work into transluc previous transpar materi minut work plastic face dial plastic face will clear onc will not work for glass btw not respons for damag incur method model can us treatment safe beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr mcguir make plastic scratch remov compound and plastic polish compound work great
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost rememb thread ship save instruct bike prep post email manish
rec.motorcycles	tire recomend for want articl apr cbnewsm att asalerno cbnewsm att antonio salerno write chen shing tire tire reason tire beacus hate and don feel safe recomend can tire toni throw vote for metzler economi tire good for mid size older bike rate mph wear and handl mile ride twisti work cost bit cheng irc etc sport metzler for newer bike cost chaparr for front and for rear jon mike corcoran mike corcoran sandiego ncr yamaha honda huski cross
rec.motorcycles	bdi experi kent polk kent swrind nde swri edu wrote watch your mirror time you turn had anoth close last night prepar for turn two lane road turn signal start turn and thi ladi hit throttl and start pass thi happen twice had thi happen that for ride work morn come stop light lane direct for left turn for straight and for turn mark mark bicycl lane ride into turn lane signal and stop stop line left can make turn red and start move discov that idiot pull into bike lane and pass grrr head check bike lane not for bicycl bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol you gui sort thi bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	ship bike previou articl manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost hmmmmmm put your butt seat and follow road sign dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri preston bui shopko for that gallon bmw even expens stuff kawasaki grape grown part fatherland bmw dave don worri chang yearli and top keep gretchen happi sinc guess rabbit aluminum radiat hoppi for year and mile guess aluminum safe owner late lament rochest bmw motorcycl and good gui pooder rochest dod you care peopl richard feynman share garag space gretchen harvei note repli address you want send mail
rec.motorcycles	bike big dog articl apr cua edu wendel cua edu write heard rider give big dog such great dane ride back bike dog love make work wendel cua edu larg malmut count heard and such irrespons childish stunt dog need assist straighten onc board owner lift front leg dog and throw driver pilot shoulder dog shit eat grin face and dog ass firmli plant seat dog and thi dog activ seek each camp parti hate each person steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox can deltabox frame and relat that frame hawk that time gui come park lot and sez hei dude nice bike that deltabox frame can duh huh yammi deltabox and hawk frame conceptu similar yammi name hawk purer twin spar frame design invest cast steer head and swing arm ti togeth aluminum extrud beam yammi solut bit complex godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl dod ama rule never sell ducati street find rule obei rule for thing ducati cinelli toyota krup nikon soni appl telebit
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write dan declerck declrckd rtsg mot wrote state fault auto insur thi appli you basic insur your vehicl and max you can sue for point made fault fact that remov lawyer system and let peopl monei faster remov lawyer reduc clog court system and reduc govern burden not requir judg work don peopl michigan peopl jersei fault hoax for year last heard state that fault insur increas rate that happen live chang reason will never back that state bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg colorado agent tell that fault appli medic coverag
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol concur thi polit and bicker ruin bmwmoa polit and fight current membership laps for renew hesh bmwra level superiour public opinion
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir tommi marcu mcguir mcguir utexa edu wrote you sound suspici fault doesn even advertis get lawyer loop sigh anoth naiv illus toilet sinc legisl lawyer difficult law pass that cut lawyer busi that fault insur law backfir bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl qjtr llb new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker write previou articl ntuvax ntu ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl you kid thi flame bait extrem max handl har har har har fast quickli lastest rumor rear wheel handl dream straight line and get tad upset review cycl world corner you can handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai thi gleem review and discuss owner lust thi bike bradw newbridg sig plan clue dod
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing absolut you cager will pull gun and blow you bob mugel jungl bob email rmugel oracl senior comput linguist phone oracl corp moto concour irv texa dod vegetarian eat veget bewar humanitarian bob
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc worri tran relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	fault articl galileo rtn boe meb galileo rtn boe michael bain write insur compani for fault coverag sinc major accid cager fault doesn thi impli that pai higher rate fault system car system make sens surfac legal cost system motorcyclist screw yup point cost insur not fault crappiest driver make bandit longer bear respons pai for insur that boost price for crappi driver good driver pai nose spread cost crappi driver action and that not fair plan that cap rate for crappi driver inher piec shit rest end pai plan that speed ticket basi for rais rate piec shit base lie that faster driver inher safe slower driver and nhtsa disprov that two year ago chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng don stupid leav your helmet seat can fall and boom that kind fall helmet design protect you fall helmet and you hit spot helmet land drop helmet not protect your head intend conserv rec moto er will recommend that you replac helmet you want that will protect you adequ you helmet ground tabl chair shelf surfac that larg support that will not easili knock jeezu shoei replac you leav chanc cripe chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write rider pilot practic riceburn pass recent wave and wonder will last simpli overexuber that burner remov winter moth ball and novelti will dissip perhap grai beard that sprout sinc last rice season make friendli fart that deserv wave you rid that yorn and bui rice rocket your that explain friendli you had piec toilet paper stuck bottom your boot rich rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip chuck kuczaj csk wdl wdl loral wrote mbeav bnr michael beavington write mcguir make plastic scratch remov compound and plastic polish compound work great tip let motorcycl detail tip side instrument panel scuf previou owner dump bike true for turn signal scuf area black plastic recal read that plastic compound you coat scuf area rub end nice smooth shini finish idea toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind not recogn thi effect close mind lot remind rec motorcycl and insipid flame ag thereof you dislik occasion leather clad poser pal read scan for inform lot nois and pointless flame ag us trn you problem that for you dan declerck email declrckd rtsg mot motorola cellular apd friend don friend wear neon phone
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu motorcycl slightli each and thi natur peopl and beauti sport cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind and view exactli that singl rider cruiser bike hold veiw that sport bike rider possibl hold quantifi your gener for care you pigeonhol bunch peopl dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write waterski bike you turn handlebar left lean motorcycl don thi case not jetski friend jetski bar turn left left you chang yaw jet relationship handlbar and rear mount jet complet arbitrari simpl linkag make work thi support move contact patch beneath centr mass theori lean thi contradict for gyroscop precess counterst induc lean that jetski even irrelev thi discuss snow ski amus digress hei you explain fact that you pull hors rein left left confus two thread phil stone address pstone motorcycl
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl castl wbg festiv geak write ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt not that logic can liabil put sticker car move bdi that choos start and drive car unsaf condit that liabl had last chanc avoid unsaf situat addit factor attribut blame sticker window effect problem take blade window remov stubborn sticker stori that that nice paint job door jeff jeffrei friedl omron corpor nagaokakyo kyoto japan jfriedl omron jfriedl cmu edu dod xbk cbr visit research mach project carnegi mellon pittsburgh
rec.motorcycles	splitfir plug kinda offic whaz earlier read net splitfir plug gui think and almost shot hell that show team that us split fire addit insight and theori splitfir plug and boost opposs cage splitfir origin made burn fuel effici and increas power for cage for gui splitfir increas perform increas torqu weren focus horsepow number thi relat high perform pilot that depend you pilot high perform cylind machin case cylind splitfir increas torqu make top end horsepow torqu pack low for splitfir not significantli increas power twin you gui laugh twin time carri weight sometim can make for loss doug polen scott russel daytona twin make torqu thoughout powerband thi translat increas torqu theoret twin make power splitfir claim that not extra mod made stick don thi and catch splitfir twin race team ducati team fast ferraci us splitfir season thi had jami jame run for don stop sinc check had peac warren wcd uxa cso uiuc edu suzuki will travel local fix shop bike repairest look dump ask gui happen dump clutch fast pretti fast insur nope fixer smile you bike not
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl rmugel apr oasun oracl robert mugel rmugel oracl write absolut you cager will pull gun and blow you guess probabl bmw driver gun lower vehicl like luxosedan hop pickup truck for exampl mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl apr research nec behanna syl syl nec chri behanna write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write bzzzzt discov tour bike nifti cach for thing coin lipstick duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen think that natur thought kiss that waxi shit smear woman lip definit turn clear lipstick chapstick etc fit natur waxi shit categori wear lip dry kiss dry crack parch lip isn fun not that kiss beth noemi not tom you won noemi speak for beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm stuff delet ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live hope you cost replac panel owner owner reluct stop local spca prefer your foot leg swollen file visciou dog report trick glenn schmall astroid armori not cross oncom lane hell beam cafe death that california highwai you yeah dod mercuri new
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri lucki found jacket like that fit make pilot jacket mine similar style made leather san jose bought last two made find decent women motorcycl gear not easi lot stuff that fring made fashion leather made fit men etc don shop your area women rider friendli place san francisco san jose area don recommend bui cloth mail order hard fit bate custom make leather you want call and cost estim for type jacket your wife interest larg manufactur bmw and sell women line cloth decent qualiti fit iffi ago noemi and lisa sievert talk start busi thi sort thing don final decid beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen subject act front traffic jerk date thu apr gmt dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing work for avoid obscen and remain calm cool and collect and you almost kill and not move you apolog benign that haven shot singl time don texa and plenti wit steve steve moselei moselei washington edu microbiolog phone univers washington fax seattl
rec.motorcycles	kreme folk recent post kreme bad idea that man opinion experi stuff
rec.motorcycles	aerostitch piec request for opinion piec aerostitch two piec aerostitch for versatil protect advanc nadin
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small carri want compli intellig helmet law comment impli support for helmet law such support infer promis promis steve steve moselei moselei washington edu microbiolog phone univers washington fax seattl
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl depend context you want comment handl great compar bike not good compar you compar put mile never own randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small you can accomplish goal you definit physic type mind you cough church meet your tast tend smaller petit cough churchgoer like that will smaller head and you can safe medium small helmet thi work for and trade spare larg helmet friend for women that and can fit into medium size helmet previous had you aren picki size cough churchgoer you give help motorcycl ride advic will hopefulli cover eventu legal concern and spare handtowel tankbag make accept pad passeng can viewport pad viewport case extrem mismatch randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl jwc srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl wrote ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power produc specif meet vehicl tax restrict ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power and brake bzzzt pound lighter person and recent wit stoppi larger averag rider aboard two finger that meas singl front disk accomplish task brake you such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast flaw mention limit steer lock annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect haven rpm break and haven had problem slow limit steer lock can problem you aren prepar for mirror good imho forgot design whazza you matta philosophi hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca hmmmm don your sig miss beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	choke ninja problem starr kuhub ukan edu write put supertrapp slip and had carb jet match set filter that replac stock airbox ahh and carb rejet match you made bike stage kit dynojet huge flat spot carbur thousand rpm gear isn rejet fun thi frustrat highwai bike like cruis mph happen rpm sixth gear had tune and thi doesn think carb inject system gpz suggest for fix restor stock carb that fix you jet match extrem overli lean condit you ad free flow exhaust and higher flow filter chanc lean thi not that big fun carb tune tricki your and choic you want spend hour fiddl carb gui witha dyno and tune carb for your current set you plai guess game for long time erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	long last tire for small bike wsh amsun apma virginia edu will heyman write rear tire small front that size recomend call tire compani and you can make recomend for you that your bet check biker magazin cycl world etc for phone number tire erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu motorcycl slightli each and thi natur peopl and beauti sport cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind and view exactli that singl rider cruiser bike hold veiw that sport bike rider possibl hold quantifi your gener for care you pigeonhol bunch peopl that plastic bodywork useless that torqu and upright ride posit slightli radic forward ride posit combin high rpm low torqu motor cruiser motorcyclist chrome import sport bike motorcyclist chrome impact bui choic motiv sole price criteria each rider select vehicl choic ignor criteria insensit word motorcycl can fufil requir that sport bike rider and cruiser rider sometim hard for motorcycl fufil person requir you fish for flame dave thi differ opinion analog differ sport car owner and luxuri car owner thi moot convers dan declerck email declrckd rtsg mot motorola cellular apd friend don friend wear neon phone
rec.motorcycles	ship bike articl qkhrm agat berkelei edu manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij write can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost rememb thread ship save instruct bike prep post email manish step join ama american motorcycl associ call ama join step you becom member will ship your bike uncrat anywher across fruit plain for hundr buck us thi servic and continu pleas dai for thing and you not prepar bike drain ga not mention that normal ship cost time you crate bike and ship anoth compani you can pai nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl joz hln cup chri steinbron hesh cup write ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol current membership laps for renew hesh case that not for anoth year hint will organ busi that long and prefer longer and worth part david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson wrote good advic hesh time back for zen refresh imagin you lili gentli float darken pool and bdc volvo come careen freewai and land top you pool you can win jim jim franklin jamesf appl jim bob son cagiva alazzurra signatur remodl triumph slalom champ low price qualiti workman dod kotp ship call todai for free estimit
rec.motorcycles	get saddl bag hei pretti wonder world motorcycl bought us kaw csr friend wonder kind saddl bag for sinc noth bag for ga tank cost and hold for your advic ride love jbourgui uc indiana edu dod
rec.motorcycles	saddl bag and helmet for sale sell item pair hard saddl bag easi instal snap releas featur lock black brand krusur two oshi full face helmet for com bike that sell you us thing bike and accessori yamaha vision call medi work home medi montaseri montasmm ntmtv am mcdcup ntmtv montasmm
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint congraul your helmet pass snell test cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut not save your head you drop mike mike seal yamaha inform group dod level tower terrac email homer inform wellington phone zealand fax
rec.motorcycles	stolen cbr stolen pasadena and blue and white honda cbr california plate cbr serial number xpm engin number turn signal mirror light tape for track rider session willow spring tomorrow guess miss find babi kjg
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost recommend that you hop back and cruis that nice ride you choos your rout care shouldn cost ga and night motel bill mellon mellon ncd uunet lupin mellon member leagu for program freedom find softwar patent cost you your program contact lpf uunet net
rec.motorcycles	max handl request bradw newbridg brad warkentin write handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai you back thi opinion come ride and max find enjoy ride max fast twisti road clayton brook heart cbrook uki edu pot blue cbrook ukma bitnet lex grass and rutger uunet ukma cbrook bourbon countri ama nma maa am acbl dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi can resign bmw moa and remaind year membership refund
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write shz mare att keeper tude write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg thi you find case harlei rider give wave and ride secur knowleg that persob persob kinda that peopl wave return wave harlei harlei rider seldom wave back duck squid don wave return wave even each can michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist wrote you file complaint for danger oper motor vehicl and sign will show court come you can thi morn lane chang freewai and look mirror theer car look second car posit not acceler tripl check head turn and decid plenti room acceler travel mile stai feet teh bumper car ahead and casual mirror check thi gui tail mean you couldn stick hair tire fender mirror slowli teh throttl stai had lost mph and come and cut big time follow for mile and final bore and turn back into work can file complaint thi and chanc jim jim franklin jamesf appl jim bob son cagiva alazzurra signatur remodl triumph slalom champ low price qualiti workman dod kotp ship call todai for free estimit
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc worri tran relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count thought cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	ship bike articl mellon apr pepper ncd mellon ncd ted lemon write can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost recommend that you hop back and cruis that nice ride you choos your rout care shouldn cost ga and night motel bill coast portland nice and even wai watch weather good drench oregon coast rang onc howard berkei howard netcom
rec.motorcycles	stolen aarghhhh dam dam dam ritvax isc rit edu write dam back drom work todai bike dam proced side shit dry rider cover dam bare two week and god stole trash honda red white blue cover residenti palo alto coupl week ago cover had hole burnt exhaust etc etc figur kid not jet netcom eric townsend dod hafta kill you thi fun account work email jet na nasa gov you put ducki you wanna plai saxophon skate unix die boyo
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda honda guru can replac front sprocket honda slightli larger thi prefer reduc size rear want ride relax rpm clayton brook heart cbrook uki edu pot blue cbrook ukma bitnet lex grass and rutger uunet ukma cbrook bourbon countri ama nma maa am acbl dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi boi bike versu scuffl grow and that for you hope that dump dempster campaign work that crook and supris that thi long for ain hand not that want bed wacko run throw rathol effect send club you wouldn you don magazin you sinc moa politburo instal don lack sort panach had and bike static moa
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write perhap waterski bike counterst sea doo boat turn chang angl duct propel waterski bike motorcycl ski each wheel handlebar connect familiar steer head front ski handl motorcycl bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl bethdc jul netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr research nec behanna syl syl nec chri behanna write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write bzzzzt discov tour bike nifti cach for thing coin lipstick duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen think that natur thought kiss that waxi shit smear woman lip definit turn clear lipstick chapstick etc fit natur waxi shit categori wear lip dry kiss dry crack parch lip isn fun agre chapstick fit waxi shit categori notic that steal annett chapstick appli lip crack thi past winter previou winter sigh price pai not that kiss beth noemi not tom you won noemi speak for darl annett guess you can readi barf bag chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost ship portland oregon daytona for thi year bike week rode back compani us feder you can reach you ama member discount for ama not call ama join becom ama member ship cost base number mile cost for portland orlando that insur had ride ship dock and siphon ga can pick bike busi bike arriv time orlando had adjust mirror and add ga bike perfect shape gari
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impac cooper mprgate mpr greg cooper write articl qeftj sixgun east sun egreen east sun green articl sda usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturd except averag you can bare fart fuck you mike gentlemen greg confus aren gentlemen thi newsgroup two robert smit ladysmith luca built weapon war emd ham almanac never start
rec.motorcycles	recommend for front tire articl qfkqhinn rodan net smm rodan net steve mansfield write front tire dead minim tread left time for recommend good tire front ride almost brand back stick front laser front gpz and fantast tire front tire had graem weir dod fido unb univers brunswick fredericton canada damn box jockei full speed ahead live flame flame live gpz trek mtb
rec.motorcycles	long trip articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton mark harrison freddi ersi edmonton mark harrison write motorcycli don even bike and will long trip edmonton vancouv tip bare essenti for trip tool cloth emerg repair bike you respond thi you gonna yer cage thi market for us cycl tip for don burnt appreci mark oughta gang tool faq thi gui hmmm andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write thing denmark short sword and cleav car half sinc assum you didn short sword you problem your choic substitut action dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike miss articl spagthorp vike that illumin dragon head front fender style copi indian and round side cover accid delet worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit you can forget thi line reason anim decid you noth you can genet put mere mph gravel road loos rock bad concret and lb swing beef jump fenc ditch and ram jump fenc for ga sinc feet ahead good forti side damn cow liter chase and nail damag cow bent case guard and sever annoi rider casualti had shotgun eat steak nope lb cow can hit activ evad forget manuever dog run dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	flash behanna syl nec chri behanna write arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact question thi good bad thing thi sound good thing second that addit find hazard us horn speed below mph interst quit common mountain truck state requir flasher rural area flasher gui you tractor larg implement us whenev you commun that thing will deviat norm chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name that paint green sinc green triumph that friend own sold name free for adopt name thunderpickl grab you dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	max handl request apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl max strait line shit shrough goos corner ride honda dream dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot articl rgu usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you your averag dirt biker can jump foot log log that suspend ground for that matter log that suspend ground imagin you don jump that you lai bike and slide jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	batteri storag not charg and store dry put coupl bike storag for month start month and contempl easi control batteri that bui batteri tender for each and leav plug time bike storag fine not that never heard discuss thi idea reason isn great can mistak fulli charg batteri drain electrolyt into separ contain for each batteri seal contain close batteri and leav that that bike come storag put electrolyt back batteri and fulli charg wrong thi relat note for you bai area denizen wasn had bunch spare edta month back left for and robert
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write lost attribut area driver requir show proof financi respons mean insur requir pull driver bellyach net don pull and check law enforc fact case lot monei don you requir for yearli plate sticker ontario and manitoba for and provinc you show proof insurnac you renew your plate sticker concept that owner car not respons for action author user car that biggest argument photo radar ticket system you pai outstand ticket even cross provinc agreement ontario and quebec that unpaid ticket provinc record date sticker bad troubl that you recours mi issu ticket cleric error comput follow you citi chicago inform motto citi work issu dozen park ticket each year peopl never set foot tire citi jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar thi todai newspap fortun guzzler bar bar barnstapl england reuter motorcyclist drunk insur payment year ban wednesdai pub england and wale david robert had award cash compens for lose leg motorcycl accid spent virtual cider court barnstapl southwest england told judg malcolm coteril ban robert bar england and wale for month and put two year probat start brawl pub bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	solar batteri charger good solar batteri booster and come guarante hand heard that peopl us success commun directli such person you your experi you us occasion charg long term leav for week etc robert kennedi robert kennedi offic robert stanford edu home voic comput scienc dept stanford univers home tty
rec.motorcycles	gentlemen articl cvbnetprim tjohnson tazmanian prime tod johnson write articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton grant barkwel freddi ersi edmonton grant barkwel write knowledg simpli posess motorcycl can you laid true thankfulli true gentlemen favor and excus comment your sexual fortun net tod you misspok bank own motorcycl laid doubt sexual fortun quit revers jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr hasler ascom kevinh hasler ascom write sell bmw even test bmw cornich will remain british for time hard roll royc own british firm god that end civil jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write loud pipe biliger exercis ego project arguement fact avoid accid rev engin and stock harlei pipe make nois draw someon attent instinct rev engin for horn don and work that import not louder pipe harlei loud and get notic road for that reason person not feel loud you that bad america home free land atlanta brave you want fine tune machin feder govern involv and pass restrict gener that move rev your engin will you notic horn hand throttl into feet bike mph second long push horn button and aren you gui that doesn even bike tod johnson dod slow geritol
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr walter bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson write let thi fault stuff straight live start rate alot move and rate alot and stori you sit park lot lunch and wack you guess insur pai for give you weeni insur compani stupid law that jerk hit park lot insruanc compani doesn sue doesn immedi fault and insur compani hell rais rate andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc articl qjmf sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl castl wbg festiv geak write ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt claim driver fault for illeg park place that good for laugh two court found liabl for care put sticker cage window yeah make darn you cover glass driver can expect drive thing car jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar bclark galaxi gov write thi todai newspap fortun guzzler bar bar barnstapl england reuter motorcyclist drunk insur payment year ban wednesdai pub england and wale david robert had award cash compens for lose leg motorcycl accid spent virtual cider court barnstapl southwest england told judg malcolm coteril ban robert bar england and wale for month and put two year probat start brawl pub justic lost leg and had give motorcycl assum david didn that can leg want swamp even for ten year admit prefer homebrew pubbrew judg coteril troubl can you that chanc you can and convinc rule backward nick perhap lad deserv for start brawl bad form horribl bad form for get drunk that thought natur born and for spend monei good care moolah even spend recklessli asham human matt block koch dod honda
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write rivet bmwmoa elect soap opera detail delet doesn shortag altern candid you not vote for vechorik bui bmw cast vote for groucho ride safe cliff weston dod seca tem thi bike excel condit work glen crash stone
rec.motorcycles	european insur move sweden and test written and road even had valid licens for year resid and drive licens resid don itali eec
rec.motorcycles	camp question articl bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write back youth ahem wiffi and moi purchas gadget heat water sourc for car us thought work apart slight problem had rev lower and motor die lack electron movement colonist replac bolt bottom barrel tap want coffe rev engin boil and pour cup hot water us ethylen glycol antifreez methanol tast sweeter roger collier sun sun microsystem coventri england dod gsxr keeper gsxr list
rec.motorcycles	aerostitch piec articl apr vax cit cornel edu vax cit cornel edu write request for opinion piec aerostitch two piec aerostitch for versatil protect advanc nadin scare fit piec two piec jacket and pant due manli man athlet build kind thing laugh not trim and pant big don piec provid protect wrong swiftli gentli correct net pansi knowledg call regard jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post leavitt umd edu bill write mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj imho tell newbi counterst counter product mj co confus rode quit happili for year mj know noth counterst cannot ride differ mj that interpret thi mean that you repres motorcyclist world mike presumpt you imho humbl opinion leavitt umd edu bill write leavitt time learn counterst techniqu you leavitt start learn you develop bad habit rode for leavitt year take msf erc and learn leavitt counterst year and leavitt conscious don steer counterst leavitt habit die hard and bad habit even harder mj bill thi complet bollock you learn counterst mj time you rode bike natur and intuit mike not kick can you not counterst mph stone that kick for sake argument conced that counterst sake argument mj msf not teach you counterst told you mj you and that didn that confus newbi big differ know happen and make extrem case emerg swerv and let bike make turn onc knew precis happen and make abruptli and command emerg avoid abil improv tenfold not mention big improv normal corner abil profici know counterst motorcycl let motorcycl steer that rememb cognit command bike let run corner return origin comment learn happen start and charg develop bad habit for ride bill you kid firstli motorcycl not steer rider can that secondli adhes tyre road suspens geometri and ground clearanc motorcycl dictat quickli you can swerv avoid obstacl and not knowledg physic rider ear you suggest that counterst knowledg enabl you corner faster compet you manag mike extrem gratifi for you that you such natur affin and prowess for motorcycl that formal train total wast time for you assum your total train hasn come simpli read rec motorcycl motorcyclist discuss formal rider educ regard experi overwhelmingli posit thi amount experi brought into rang minut year formal train thi countri awar not includ counterst theori found counterst six year ago physic lectur motorcyclist didn steer bike make turn left and analys close and realiz interest bit knowledg and had lot fun sinc tell sceptic that interest bit knowledg and claim that essenti for biker that you can corner faster result absurd formal train view absolut essenti you ride bike properli and safe includ counterst theori newbi cours confus peopl unnecessarili time import matter for learn and that origin point mike
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride norman hamer maven eskimo wrote gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow gener find that two decent hit nitrou ride improv enorm drink silli your breath smell cost lot monei and pig can detect machin work for nick wow biker dod concis errr lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	oil articl dlvo skate gsfc nasa gov tim intrepid gsfc nasa gov tim seiss write oil oil level top mark window lower side motor notic that oil level window gradual decreas mile check window bike level ground and sat idl for awhil oil chanc drain back into pan bike isn leak oil place and don smoke come exhaust owner manual amount oil high and low mark oil level window approx quart bike quart mile owner manual figur for max oil consumpt mile question whether degre oil consumpt bike normal owner oil level gradual and consist bike for work ask local gui data point can normal for bmw bike us oil thousand mile don had bike and us bit oil max quart mile thi quit and time had mile oil consumpt told that harder you run bike reason sooner stop oil charli smith charli elektro cmhnet org kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi dod doh ama moa buckei beemer ohio bmw triumph columbu ohio usa
rec.motorcycles	internet discuss list articl moe ksu ksu edu bparker uafhp uark edu brian parker write world motorcyl lover lover start discuss list internet for peopl interest talk bike discuss and you interest join drop line sinc isn list you post you send and distribut mon join and enjoi huh thi gui invent wreck motorcycl curiou mind want charli smith charli elektro cmhnet org kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi dod doh ama moa buckei beemer ohio bmw triumph columbu ohio usa
rec.motorcycles	internet discuss list articl moe ksu ksu edu bparker uafhp uark edu brian parker write world motorcyl lover lover start discuss list internet for peopl interest talk bike discuss and you interest join drop line sinc isn list you post you send and distribut mon join and enjoi second thought didn invent wreck moto round figur dod theme song faq come charli smith dod doh kspt noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi lock
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact articl apr new columbia edu sc cunixb columbia edu sebastian sear write articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl ckp new cso uiuc edu dcl nxt cso uiuc edu student write quick question recent bike and drive problem wind mess contact ga permeabl full face helmet face sheild work for thi doesn work for wind that blow insid and dry ey dust eventu wear sunglass insid helmet wear sunglass insid full face helmet dirt wind contact mumbl mumbl mumbl charli smith dod doh kspt
rec.motorcycles	for mainten manual for honda articl apr wam umd edu buffalo wam umd edu duncan sterl write think that tour push envelop twin local honda dealer that honda dream commonli refer tour bike water problem back rode puch pari barcelona and back that two stroke and back repres size bike road consid big bike and superbik dai bigger real rare charli smith dod doh kspt noth water mai voulez vou peu melang
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss evelyn well apr cst wibbl onc thi morn pull design motorcycl park area find cage pull bike peopl don doubl park car motorcycl never mind that rhetor question want can carri piec paper that don park your car motorcycl area call cop wait emerg build and berat beg forgiv thi problem and you evi don you local branch you prefer method phone ira and car and that belong northern ireland govern committe hour and car longer problem not park close nick veng biker dod concis oxford plastic lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact jonathan quist thu apr gmt wibbl articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot articl rgu usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you your averag dirt biker can jump foot log log that suspend ground for that matter log that suspend ground imagin you don jump that you lai bike and slide jonathan quist nice thing hors that break middl you can eat fuel bit cheaper nick biker dod concis oxford giddi lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin articl apr csdvax csd unsw edu exb csdvax csd unsw edu write dod er goddamn mysteri for stud side bike that clunk turn absent fairli event fact thread hole footpeg perfectli intact evid forcefulli rip moment previous you engin type you explain thi can you rip tightli fit steel thread thread hole alloi damag thread hole you can knock thread stud hole destroi thread part stud hole stud not hole you touch that side bike doom
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write that argu gyroscop etc throughli understand techniqu counterst includ that counterst corner underli physic matter and not taught beginn agre counterst techniqu taught for understand techniqu can develop maxim effect emerg avoid manuv thi thing disagre agre disagre that tell newbi steer left turn unnecessarili confus bike and ride damn thing exactli happen git that haven clue understand physic traction fine cannot detail theori that place motorcyl train you that maximum traction obtain tyre begin slide road violent disagr you state true insuffici form traction manag polici traction increas appli normal forc traction front wheel increas weight shift brake forc and correspondingli decreas rear techniqu appli brake and eas rear and increas pressur front can learn understand weight shift and traction jeez you start talk traction manag polici thought you make weird refer railwai locomot offici line doubt that front brake appli rear brake idea that you avoid lock rear weight transfer take place practic suspect peopl you describ brake tire begin slide useless advic newbi and slide tire find that inform develop brake techniqu that brake and weight shift develop you don slide tyre you know whether you achiev maximum brake not not suggest that you aim brake hard you possibl can you want find limit machin you case for maximum brake suggest you aim wheel point slide you exactli you suggest
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ depend bike onc you found bike you interest call insur compani for rate bike cheaper insur you cost year loui recommend bui for for bike recommend and bike short feet ground you stop piec advic will give you motorcycl safeti foundat rider dealer for detail state complet such can give you break insur will teach you ride properli begin you won learn bad habit good luck ride motorcycl fun you can nake alan
rec.motorcycles	insur discount erik asphaug asphaug lpl arizona edu wrote insur agent offer multi vehicl discount thi time for car assum that you capabl progress offer multi vehicl discount good price imho toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	bike articl forqfa iuzmatnmz andrew cmu edu jame leo belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu write motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic for second thought thi post green bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar that perfectli come scotland you
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl gregori humphrei gregh niagara dcrt nih gov wrote greg motorcycl haven even bought posit you you learn you never ridden class put group call motorcycl safeti foundat california similar washington call motorcycl dealer your area and ask good start ride motorcycl correctli
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing imho you wrong thing you shot run your bike beat shit you that person foolish drive fool and act heck idiot driver illeg you can file citizen arrest and drag that person into court hassl for you major hassl for perp john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr adob cjackson adob write glad that you judgement shit hei pal you call litt toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing imho you wrong thing you shot run your bike beat shit you that person foolish drive fool and act heck idiot driver illeg you can file citizen arrest and drag that person into court hassl for you major hassl for perp john stafford minnesota state univers winona you can make citizen arrest feloni standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	pari dakar bmw tour mike johnson mentorg mentor graphic boeckman softwar support corpor wilsonvil framework product divis
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	bike and wheeli previou articl jbc andrew cmu edu jame leo belliveau motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell answer obviou dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive not counterst for humor impar pphhhhhtttttt concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	honda cbr for sale for sale honda cbr hurrican bought bike end last summer and love bill forc part bike mile and run strong nead tune and possibl break pad rubber good toss tankbag and kiwi helmet ask offer add hit newspap and micronew interest parti can call dai and even
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong thing wrong your strategi boi cri wolf jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl apr research nec chri behanna behanna syl nec write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write remind great editori bruce reev coupl month ago cycl canada piss cop pull speeder danger spot and blind corner that dai decid reveng cruis factori loaner zzr test bike notic cop had pull motorist ramp almost shoulder bright lad hit bike kill switch pass cop happen bend offend motorist expos glute pass world ignit system dead pump throtl two time fill exhaust canist volatil raw fuel stab kill switch light ignit and send flame sargeant swell direct cycl cop read cycl canada agre spirit action hope that rider poni take replac exhaust system destroi owner manual explicitli warn such behavior for exactli that reason you can destroi your mufler that chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog fat chanc offend rider moto journalist gui can sell hundr bike stroke pen and such murder come test bike worth earli expir mufler bone head butt bake dave true that monei talk mine spoke bui drink
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc put togeth faq bui bike ravi us post time bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	stuff for sale respond item electr vest aerostitch suit and scarf spoken for gari gari wasserman complet irrat attract bmw bike interleaf inc prospect place hillsid av waltham grw ileaf fax dod
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui number approxim and will doubt flame helmet cheap jacket us cheap glove noth special motorcycl safeti foundat ride that leav you and depend accuraci number bui us bike regist insur and run properli you cut close perhap your parent reason and you your learn ride safe you pick cost msf and safeti gear earli holidai present time long term invest and you spend your monei actual bike insur registr and mainten curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar articl qtvl dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu knicker twister write articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write regard pub brawl histori such thing biker doesn make reason person even dod object join had histori such thing not mention articl and present irrelev detail drink monei can exactli fault sit result law hand shoddi journal law attach string you spend settlement put monei trust don assum perfectli legitim drink wouldn spend that david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar david karr tue apr gmt wibbl articl qtvl dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu knicker twister write articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write regard pub brawl histori such thing biker doesn make reason person even dod object join had histori such thing not mention articl and present irrelev detail drink monei can exactli fault sit result law hand shoddi journal law attach string you spend settlement put monei trust don assum perfectli legitim drink wouldn spend that david karr karr cornel edu heard thi newspap articl journalist and editor pick interest and sensat fact for delect editor sun onc never fact good stori you notic motorcyclist treat press thrive hysteria ignor sensation and upmanship not salt take pinch nick cynic biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh not for bell toll toll for you time
rec.motorcycles	that oil tim intrepid gsfc nasa gov tim seiss write want mail post repli question oil consumpt you decid joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	time worst time note thi not time time year funni thing happen bike engin run perfectli complet smooth not that run poorli dai except theori that air densiti and moistur content air such that complet combust needless put great mood mood last for mile head north freewai mile two south throttl stop respond and lane noth make lane shoulder initi glide push traffic heavi that car not mind stop for turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time death life tell you you fire gei paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc vidar olaf solberg vidaro dhhalden wrote can letter spesif motorcycl model mean exampl mean and honda cbr and suzuki glp honda design engin street bike for for twin street bike parallel twin inlin cylind engin us mean race bike us mean sport bike for steet scrambler street bike high pipe custom street bike dirt two stroke dual purpos bike dirt stroke can dual purpos bike suffix tour bike frank ball frankb sad work hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca rohnert park wug law ama dod nra
rec.motorcycles	hell met articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton lloyd carr write previou articl maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer don end replac real futur wear total nondamag face dot rate cheapi doesn fit wind wear shoei lot comfort wind quieter minor damag wear even drop paint chip helmet poorli fit had scratch bang repair confid protect helmet will continu give you depress actual crack magnifi glass you replac thi not good advic coupl year involv low speed getoff land back pavement head helmet hit pavement clunk leav coupl ding and chip paint point impact visibl damag call helmet manufactur and inquir damag that fiberglass shell work give delamin crack thi fiberglass serv spread forc impact wider area fiberglass thing crushabl foam liner take care absorb hopefulli remain impact forc told that second stage fiberglass function delamin glass resin layer can occur visibl sign insid helmet suggest that send helmet and inspect includ rai back helmet letter state that that find damag that compromis abil helmet provid maximum protect suspect that thi letter elimin claim prior damag helmet event sue bottom line that appear that helmet integr can compromis visibl sign for send back and inspect note that helmet manufactur provid inspect servic and not anoth point purchas lid ken franklin heaven for peopl wait ama and ain gwrra laugh sinner cry saint dod sinner lot fun good die young
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl apr megatek randi megatek randi davi write articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor let dui dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	header paint mile trailer rain rust bike header metal underneath solid sand rust coat and repaint pipe black recommend for paint and applic paint axel
rec.motorcycles	rgv and pose articl dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl spam math adelaid edu amydlak spam math adelaid edu adam mydlak write squid delet helment law vari state state state louisiana law personali not feet bike law law helment will save your life feet draw line your and rais you doug rinck drinck tssc wlg nec zealand tssc bmw bmw indian
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc can letter spesif motorcycl model mean exampl mean and honda cbr and suzuki glp wanna distribut thi club magazin want list type harlei advanc vidar vidar solberg norwai rock hard ride free proud and true metallibash
rec.motorcycles	honda for sale want peopl that thi motorcycl sold for your inquiri dave schultz
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack year ago drive cage dog dart quiet intersect front distanc didn slow dog suddenli appear and collid front bumper and forc impact kill that scottish terrier appar dog henceforth dog decid cross street ey for dog dog travel pair pack experi dog chase black pretti loud oem horn not good fiamm good enuff bike larg and heavi run smaller nipper larger troubl get leg saddlebag and engin guard def feel vulner trump that easier leg chew target for mongrel persist dog run biker despit complaint owner wouldn advers run truck dog life isn worth imho compar child ride bike get knock ground dog and di head injuri dog neighborhood that viciou public menac run unleash fair game road kill candid graem harrison gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	bike short friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi time tap collect memori denizen model model and us bike not problem lower seat and sinc make thi difficult prefer not end cruiser bonu point for list tini standard rememb thread point similar thi pass month ago that list gregori bean dod bean ncar ucar edu fact that big reverb sound
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl quw btq cso uiuc edu mikeh cso uiuc edu mike hollyman custom that replac cylind head gasket put back togeth wouldn idl run cylind and backfir and spit flame exhaust side exhaust mac bought plug todai and run rough and won idl quit fine tune knob carb mess check time fine advanc and that didn assum carb synch can bui kit and thi kit for price suggest dont carb that suspect that cam time you that you had head that make sens ian emu worth ian deelei you will school engin insignific univers sussex ooo import that you england anon
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin previou articl exb csdvax csd unsw edu dod er goddamn mysteri for todai turn degre corner dai slight differ rough spot path caus suspens compress mid corner and part bike hit ground tangibl thunk pull opportun su damag delet barri manor dod confus accident peg scraper check bottom your pipe barri suspect that hit year past thought peg found bottom pipe made contact show good size dent scratch you feel suddent chang your foot peg had bump for piec miss contribut that vibrat loss yep thing happen honda twinstar mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike folk assembl info for film critic class final project essenti movi that us moto substanti capac fallen angl marlboro man rais arizona etc you fellow er give preciat btw summari bike plot help not erc eric sundheim csundh ursa calvin edu grandrapid usa hondo vfr dod
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing nmm nmm niel mikkel sound great real bdi cager tailgat found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong two problem your strategi that red light chang you can meaning your mouth occup except your opinion and demonstr such physic you your park bike admittedli slim chanc give paus slmr sometim you windshield sometim bug comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl motorcycl flame don bike piec inform work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ recommend bui for imagin state not state not bitter you written test and learner permit wonder learn ride bike profici liscenc and not kill oneself don bike teach and advic heard you live field you friend pickup truck answer ride neighborhood and hope for kind live residenti area not suburb big citi and mile downtown that doesn viabl stori you learn for repli advanc greg humphrei meant that damn autoind greg humphrei thi thursdai never nation institut health hang thursdai gregh alw nih gov arthur dent
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write hei wasn pick morgan us technolog that noth wrong technolog peopl us shovel dig hole you can dig hole stock shovel you perform mod stroke and cam real bad rear tire dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom
rec.motorcycles	dod book read thi anita number titl softwar measur for dod system recommend for initi core measur anita carleton subject softwar engin comput program manag author carleton anita author carnegi mellon univers softwar engin institut publ pittsburgh carnegi mellon univers softwar engin institut toni opinion noth and not even want antonio salerno heart liver spleen pancrea antonio salerno att miracul organ work total dark david letterman
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip articl apr hemlock crai ant palm crai toni jone write note user plexi fair light hit becom giant magnif glass and will melt hole your guag pod dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt claim driver fault for illeg park place that good for laugh two court found liabl for that driver drive vehicl visual impair isn that not scrape ic and snow your windshield and such that anoth thing that bug don peopl scrape damn window peopl drive car bare driver half windshield clear noth clear thi pretti stupid and isn vari state state that percentag glass clear brad thone system consult system servic enterpris loui wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd bitnet
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar articl apr reed edu mblock reed edu matt block write assum david didn that can leg orlean compani make motorcycl for wheelchair bound peopl rig consist flat bed sidecar rig that wheelchair can clamp car set hand control mount convent handlebar wierd hell thi legless gui drive rig car girlfriend sit bike passeng dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write formal train view absolut essenti you ride bike properli and safe includ counterst theori newbi cours confus peopl unnecessarili time import matter for learn and that origin point mike agre you that formal train essenti for safe ride disagre strongli your origin point point formal train prepar rider for road prepared opinion exclud aspect ride bike wrong imho counterst counterst that train common reaction biker bicycl rider emerg situat steer motorcycl bicycl thi make motorcycl direct opposit intend needless thi danger specif exampl rider left turn rider think close shoulder road and steer motorcycl left pull left handl and push handl motorcycl straighten and road wors scenario rider turn middl turn rider see truck come panick rider steer motorcycl truck and crash into main function ride teach avoid emerg situat and knowledg and train counterst imho ride staal idt unit
rec.motorcycles	bike short rec motorcycl bean cgd ucar edu gregori bean write friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi had and thought bike ridden and mind you ridden bike rememb thread point similar thi pass month ago that list you mistaken thread thi group had point short bike style bike and monei and ride hawk eas cruiser low slung ysr real short rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point cjackson curti jackson cjackson adob write cjackson glad that you judgement shit cjackson ridden driven tire sleepi hungov angri distract cjackson last year you had you guilti not judgment shit don drive ride impair stop that sort thing good friend mine kill drunk driver fail stop for red and drove side volvo caddi suspect respons adult net don bother post flame war rec moto cjackson justif for take individu freedom cjackson guis public safeti thoma jefferson own slave forc concubin and had resourc want fear repris smoke dope jet netcom eric townsend dod hafta kill you thi fun account work email jet na nasa gov you put ducki you wanna plai saxophon skate unix die boyo
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri virago
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc articl srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write honda design engin street bike for for twin honda hawk twin not call curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff year moa member folk moa guess call cover base idea happen get juicei new happen insid moa nihil isn for not that matter craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador and final buck into real bmw two wheel polit correct statement dod
rec.motorcycles	electricti sigha figur put halogen beam easi wai thi slip bulb replac told gui bike shop that not damn bright incandesc beam caus perma low batteri and pick thi cheapo motorcycl batteri and charg system tester hook batteri light good charg start engin test charg system and doesn even regist suppos light light stai point batteri question charg system plain mess heck batteri stai fulli charg darn dead support light etc problem charg system gener slower charg normal for bigger bike easi fix for thi happi nois put mile bike thi weekend final myass endors good cage quit run worth damn and won monei repair and weatherman bright and sunni week chanc rain fridai big grin bug teeth
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each morn get coffe thought wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you watch for bike wave mean your attent road and you like cage you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing
rec.motorcycles	happi easter kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani that govern stake own stake jaguar decid make quick buck and sold ford bastard thi ultim arthur dalei govern nick cynic biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	time worst time apr ttinew tti paulb harlei tti paul blumstein write note thi not time turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time you check screw that carb you suck into jug and mung piston valv happen matthew
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi for info steve articl innraj shellei washington edu basiji stein washington edu david basiji write incident lock found for bike cobra lock cabl shroud articul harden steel sleev lock cylindr and lock pawl engag joint articul point chain can adjust handcuff you can leverag lock break open and cylind protect wouldn want cut torch and vice and heavi duti cut wheel steve buni sun microsystem dod itasca ama
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write folk assembl info for film critic class final project essenti movi that us moto substanti capac fallen angl marlboro man rais arizona etc you fellow er give preciat btw summari bike plot help not easi rider harlei drug redneck orlean mad max violenc dod wanna time rider honda thumper time travel sundai documentari dirtbik racer great great escap steve mcqueen nazi rebel jame dean futur dod er last two movi haven year dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write gotta question you want activ cop work your dod qualfic dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	rout suggest articl qmm dinnnlg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni chicago write thi point rout present undetermin into pennsylvania york and back chicago suggest you make into york state palisad interst parkwai pleasant ride beauti sceneri good road surfac minim traffic you want sidetrip lake drive parkwai for reason road sweep and hill sweep turn forest canopi mitch corrado bell commun research dec mdc panther tnd bellcor wreck mad vax code warrior
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write motorcycl flame don bike piec inform stori you learn you stori exampl not earli ride lesson colleg roommat honda had msf beginn learn need ride proceed bui beat honda for and helmet and rode wear thi and cotton windbreak decid invest full face helmet smart move pass road test caught rainstorm home mile trip enter town live urban suburb had stop suddenli for red light that notic late skid rear tire and eject face upward into oncom lane traffic fortun for oncom traffic stop for red light slid car and kill thi anecdot evid experienc rider msf and that earlier train help greatli your case even greater sinc you you practic even basic stuff advic msf beginn thing wouldn even bui bike you you happen pick real good deal and can store someplac you readi us work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui you wait week recal wait list boston you save monei start for ride gear cost bike guess mechan make machin safe assum you econom bui beat machin privat individu insur registr and licens fee you not includ bike and reserv for ongo mainten bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ pai insur upstat closer boston urban for decent insur includ substanti coverag for liabil you want you plan poor guess boston rural area ergo expens recommend bui for us annual buyer guid usual motorcycl magazin found help get idea recent model you past issu size us bike bike year bought friend advic bike that you peopl ride that park street basic settl present bike notic that lot high mileag bmw run and gener set want noth wrong talk dealer your area visit showroom dealer boston area shop nice let you showroom and quot price for bike that weren latest model cheaper end bui bike privat sale david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	bike short articl apr ncar ucar edu bean cgd ucar edu gregori bean write friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi for happier suzuki us design for exampl boss had had seat coupl inch lower regular cruiser david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa articl apr zorro tyngsboro zorro tyngsboro jeff derienzo write recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike that pretti uncal for smile harlei manhood feel challeng jeff derienzo thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	msf program mail archiv locat msf program for ibm thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc whacha mean ifin want stereotyp that like drink beer and watch love ladi displai beauti bodi that stereotyp you refer stereotyp infer neg you notic didn rape pillag burn town left mucho buck monei town think town like lynn hall no bro
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl shd athena uga edu ahatch athena uga edu allan hatcher wrote you can make citizen arrest feloni not that true rephras you can file complaint will bring person into court understand citizen arrest not physic detent person john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl murdoch acc virginia edu cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger articl rider joe rider cactu org write cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger write bui bmw cast vote for groucho thought you gonna bui bmw for superior power and handl tad price rang obmotowash cut finger evil cotterpin lurk dark recess back end bike give prize moto bath slice pinki hand time thi time ride safe send your moa rag cliff weston dod seca thought cool bike powder coat black undercoat neon splatter brian simmon you beemer jeff campbel wx frog sarvax cmhnet org
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl dpa new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker wrote previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground thi true evinc popular shaft drive drag bike john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock articl rinnal cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun write post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area dealership turn back order manufactur directli each made order you nonstandard length standard feedback us thi below articl innraj shellei washington edu basiji stein washington edu david basiji write incident lock found for bike cobra lock cabl shroud articul harden steel sleev lock cylindr and lock pawl engag joint articul point chain can adjust handcuff you can leverag lock break open and cylind protect wouldn want cut torch and vice and heavi duti cut wheel long cobralink lock that us us for harlei doesn anymor don us lock that anymor made articul steel shell cover strand steel cabl stop joyrid profession can open easili freez link break frozen link your favorit method hammer work snip steel cabl author frightfulli thin set boltcutt for monei you can kryptonit cabl lock anywher thick steel cabl steel rope shield flexibl cover protect your bike finish and barrel type lock mechan don adjust sourc difficult pick lock and cabl squish flat bolt cutter jaw shear model bet thief die grinder cutoff wheel even durabl lock test yield thi tool minut fyi get krypto cabl paycheck chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl prcr prc terri prcr prc terri cunningham write law book propos that ban motorcycl place that want privat place ban bike for exampl famou mile drive monterrei peninsula and stai resort that sport motorcycl allow sign entranc and public place call ama and for jim bensberg legisl offic will recound public place that had bring court revers ban bike that includ public park full citi fight book speak that anoth good reason donat legisl fund death life tell you you fire gei paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock you find thi repost origin sender bottom cut articl rec motorcycl path scrumpi bnrgate corpgat new utdalla edu herm chpc utexa edu ut exa edu swrind mip pacbel iggi vitalink widen eff ibmpc cug pipex unipalm uknet cybaswan eeharvei eeharvei cybaswan harvei newsgroup rec motorcycl subject lock bike messag cybaswan date jul gmt refer jul usenet in cwru edu line figur perform bike lock test permiss price for comparison cabl lock sort armour chain lock padlock and chain each lock test for maximum ten minut sec for each test bottl jack cut disc bolt cropper ga ga flame tabl split into immoblis for and lock someth for short make comparison type weight ga total price sec sec sec sec sec pound arm fold cyclelok bar abu steel cabl flex oxford cabl revolv abu disku chain arm fold cyclelok bar abu extra lock cobra cabl abu close chain shackl kryptonit lock oxford lock magnum disclock disc lock abu lock mini block disc lock pretti depress read good lock and common sens and you park your bike answer spent spare time last two week landscap trash garden and two friend bike hous accommod bike rel secur never underestim room bike requir manouv wall area sinc weekend two bike and didn us abu close shackl lock hassl visit parent minimum wait week don decid investig for insur compani make offer and for real haggl begin abu german compani and not repres common distributor articl michael brandon oliv crescent hawick roxburgh tel distributor for lock can requir don lose ian ian harvei univers colleg swansea rock roll eeharvei swan pyr young die
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand steer hand aren bar open budweis left hand camel cigarett feet allow lean and bike turn counterst counterst benchrac taller seat your feet aren floor rick
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri that told nasa rent cop that stop swore lift didn complet bui part water carb phil stone address pstone motorcycl
rec.motorcycles	rout suggest articl apr portho bellcor mdc pyux bellcor corrado mitchel write articl qmm dinnnlg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni chicago write thi point rout present undetermin into pennsylvania york and back chicago suggest you make into york state palisad interst parkwai pleasant ride beauti sceneri good road surfac minim traffic you sinc you hit pip pavement exit for dai beat thi winter don rememb thi bad break apart and pothol storm drain that your lane oppos side road talk annoi cost save measur for traffic don weekdai outbound rush hour happen inbound bdc mitch corrado dec mdc panther tnd bellcor thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	hell met articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write talk coupl peopl helmet drop get don sweat you replac and don ride helmet helmet damag structur drop feet cement seat chip paint didn screw actual shell bet price helmet that feet higher not don end replac real futur wear total nondamag face dot rate cheapi doesn fit wind wear shoei lot comfort wind quieter minor damag wear full facer worri wind blast face and inabl hear polic siren helmet damag you reccomend good helmet slightli disappoint badli shoei scratch etc not bloodi care and impact chip paint and arguabl mess period good full face good vent wind protect shoei style kinda norton awhil back suspect expens helmet want not replac time not care set helmet will subject fit agv sukhoi that current shoei task and get and crash onc coupl year ago hard impact head hip care that price consider kiwi hear good and cheap christ don treat head carefulli treat shoei toss and don bruis mildli mildli paranoid helmet don carri peopl net you mention that not consist live planet regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write that you don even peopl techniqu counterst co will intuit time round corner will and will steer tuchus don teach counterst beginn help tuchu steerer guess that steer bicycl that and hang counterst normal ride counterst swerv problem start normal ride decid that turn speed ramp and lot difficult that knew work that for debat knew that work swerv figur normal ride data point that not bad idea bring idea tuchu steer for lesson two can learn shift gear worri proper handlebar techniqu counterst fact experienc rider instructor claim that rider and make bike turn whichev side want shift weight even oper turn opposit direct admit never thi beginn had passeng train lesson instructor hop back bike and student for ride student not give instructor you sack potato passeng speech instructor steer bike and make gener nuisanc amus watch happi that didn happen bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	question helmet articl qmnp inn mojo eng umd edu oconnor eng umd edu mark connor write side fenc own bieff road helmet minor fall and had visibl damag shell helmet job damag impact ratio scari bell moto impact order twice bieff impact thi frequent and don even scratch two season recommend bui high qualiti gear ymmv your helmet nogin hit immoveab object thing dissip energi immov object helmet shell helmet liner rider head rider ego assum that helmet head assembl take impact shell crack case liner dent head get jiggl liner that dent helmet toast shell crack won absorb energi form impact that area head that get jiggl gear isn high qualiti bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write hold second and clarifi for dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor drive impair that cover bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write think bui motorcycl whenev peopl thi answer you want that brother sister cousin had motorcycl and brain dead result accid question danger ride exactli danger you hard and protect keep troubl mean know your limit keep your machin good shape and predict and make for stupid move that driver make deal fun stai aliv take consciou effort bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr bcar bnr keithh bnr keith hanlan write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and car and start take bu that you can drink your prioriti lai expect that thi list lost friend drive drunk that collect sympathi will somewhat mute gui doubt approv drunk drive caught and convict and punish you lighten mean isn haven had and ridden driven home didn caught and can speak for and will never happen that besid point answer origin poster insur vehicl cheapest and can you and work and suffer for year til your rate drop and don drink and drive had friend kill drunk and rear end total bike bent frame and fail kill had ey mirror wait stoplight regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	dog articl pntm cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur john stafford you can wheeli shaft drive bike had bmw that wheeli monster didn initi power burst twist into air had pop clutch had replac front fork seal time fair bit heavi slam stantion tube time give you fair warn trash ring pinion gear final drive assum wheeli and thi cheap fix kind slip devic shaft prevent break didn save gear topic wheeli dai kid big hurrican stoppi rear wheeli man had rear end thi bike feet ground traffic light don recommend activ anymor that gui kid look damn impress you can tire ground point that direct cheer
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write keith calm you prohibitionist prick point andrew infant post obviou solicit suggest pertain cost insur and don care you madd sadd that simpli put drink irrelav drive drunk indefens and unforgiv larg differnec attitud expect you dead hope you don human you dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui number approxim and will doubt flame helmet cheap jacket us cheap glove noth special motorcycl safeti foundat ride wow cours georgia cheaper for list good add heavi boot work hike combat similar peac alan alanf eng tridom kotbbbb gsxr ama dod pgp kei
rec.motorcycles	strang experi nice yesterdai burgh rode bike gynecologist appoint exam notic helmet sit chair excit and pick and start ask sort question bike and dealer area and msf appar rode friend for year ago and recent bug ride caught needless had never talk bike such posit mean chri hogan andrew cmu edu soft massacr sun even sabr slain emili dickinson
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write morn get coffe thought wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you watch for bike wave mean your attent road and you like cage you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing side that cage numer occas slam hand into roll window effort wave pass biker beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr park space don steenkin park space
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rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write question danger ride tough question danger drive car and danger you don appli modicum intellig activ basic stupid will you hurt kill lot faster motorcycl car care not unreason danger bui good protect cloth help that wrong you like sever injur thing msf driver train thi will you start foot teach control vehicl and safe ride practic second bui protect gear minimum good helmet and pair leather glove good sturdi piec footgear help leather hike boot pair armi boot similar work fine for thi purpos long you make lace stai ti leather jacket and leather pant chap nice expens item for pant peopl good pair jean reason prefer recent and fairli heavi weight similarli for jacket good jean jacket reason compromis peopl tend leather jacket pant anoth thing drop garag sale for second hand leather jacket for fairli thick leather item don stupid don ride drink even drink can notic affect you judgement and balanc don ride snow condit such that black ic like care ride rain slow corner gingerli brake earli and gentli not ride you sick tire take medic drowsi warn not averag shape care you question bike you recommend for time rider don want race want ride cross countri want ride dirt trail drive back road occasion ride citi street and freewai maximum can spend us bike suggest mid late japanes mid size standard rang reason you shorter lighter averag you want low bike model suzuki seri etc gener inlin bike gener depend for tendenc weak charg system stator and regul rectifi problem bike server honda nighthawk seri thi seri honda etc thi anoth seri standard motorcycl fairli depend kawasaki and yamaha similar bike don for mid late model you bui bike for leav you monei for protect cloth and insur and licens cost hope thi help david dagibb qnx
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean thi bad idea you start mellow that you your head that road requir full concentr not sort thing you want passeng for time onc you decid that you ride togeth and want longer and challeng for hard core road mine hamilton case your moral respons make that proper gear that fit you sport ride eric
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write curti jackson pen msf shyah cost izzat deal free philadelphia dod give arm ambidextr
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect articl apr locu dana lando locu dana myer write articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu squid and you chri behanna squid hei dana long time read afraid squid rate slightli sinc get ninja hard restrain bodywork damn expens knock knock quiet chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor geez happen ticket for drive slow dod technician speed not student you you not edu breath dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	ride sixteen dai had put test drive honda final saturdai rain fact clear warm and sunni and wind di week ago long cool ride hawk cycl for test ride had sold and deliv demo fifteen hour arriv and demo vfr bike lock showroom surround bike and not like move todai even bike us dirt bike us street bike car and big tent full outlandishli fat tour bike trailer squeez park lot sort fat bike convent shelli and dave run msf each time classroom and back lot usual free cookout food that cycl weekend summer hmmm big moto parti ten minut for rob cheif sale slime and anoth minut read and sign long disclosur libil prai god form help push into mess park lot control put tank bag hawk into saddlebag and wife put into left saddlebag that nice help push lot thought move edg road bike and peopl rode bicycl that heavi thought wrong sat feet big put foot heavi mind quickli cindi back back hard seat time larg hawk seat bike control idl side road rpm second gear weight dissappear even bike mile odomet slipperi tire and pad that not bite disk thing smooth and cycl section that folk ride mile north comput concentr mile north split lighli travel two lane limit access highwai heavili forest section hamilton manchest sea and newburi gloucest meet road that wind sea mile inland andov england spot perfect slow sport tour section cindi difficulti speed gear gear pur top gear thi thing low rpm grunt that hawk lane experi big heft requir move thi thing respond wallow complaint fair fairli quiet helmet buffet trivial top gear car pass mph effortless smooth smooth smooth not sound remind pleasant bar not transmit endless buzz jump caus impress brake hill revers camber twice revers radiu decreas radiu turn real squeez need front binder section tight urban work thi section show weight clam shack oft featur spencer for hire place you find spencer hous mile put traffic for turn and back half onramp yank cindi wrist singal for hold tight head check left time find redlin second gear good shove fourth see dod speed short shift into top cop and light traffic not cross into dod zone bike had mile high effort lane wide sweep turn time wick buffet threat pull seat and stai comfort wind and steer look find mph not bad for tour beverli come fast twice post limit mile sign roll throttl and coast want adjust come slow good idea manhol size patch sand exit ramp back slow and heavi behavior cycl mile even car stack manag thread car edg concret pad front heavi effort for cindi and put thing center stand that us side stand side minut demo opinion heavi put diet smooth comfort notic dod speed bui for list for bike frank evan perdicaro xyvis color system legal gun drug and cash todai edgewat drive inhous frank marvin wakefield outhous frank contex
rec.motorcycles	batteri charger notic that halogen tabl lamp run volt big thinngi that plug into wall volt question can trickl charg batteri don rate batteri factori intal sanjai dod give arm ambidextr
rec.motorcycles	question articl ldinn frigat ci ohio state edu field ci ohio state edu jonathan david field write thi stupid question motorcycl scene don dod thi setup lookit site arni skurow chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean you sonuvabitch rub don you great weather and great road unlik rest you putz nyah nyah nyah for sever humor impair thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give want hold grab rail back and heard that shoulder direct turn lean tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc you like not notic weight piec advic for you don abrupt throttl wheeli acceler wee bit slowli usual conscious worri spit back your job pillion and guarante put bike rip you whack open lean angl pretti tame time you and learn each bodi english learn your idea turn and you learn idea shit don crash you don work cross purpos lean you can work aggress ride time import thing put hand tank you brake thi save you sever crush cooki fun chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want articl apr ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu mark marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you file thi apolog for ask and will gladli accept flame that blown larg flat ga tank imagin that almost work person quit happi eclips standard tank bag blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	opinion want size dirtbik you ride and for long you slip into bike tell peopl bui older cheaper bike and ride that for you interceptor exampl nathaniel dod ama
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax tom dietrich txd esd wrote parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean good glad hear studi life complet shaft drive weeni comeback discuss shaft effect even don weeni rip pithi afraid work bike stuff delet damn shaft effect concour ppppppphhhhhttttttt heh heh that pretti funni you call shaft effect nathaniel damn shaft effect dod ama flame bait
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike wheeli motorcycl shaft drive fact you can wheeli shaft drive motorcycl even move don counterst jerri lotto lotto lhasa harvard edu msfci hogssc bcso ama dod chemistri dept harvard univ harlei and ride want
rec.motorcycles	invert fork need rec motorcycl matthew mark mueller andrew cmu edu write left side invert fork for gsx can track practic nelson ledg weekend hei part store occur you visit your dealer and fork buck for chanc happen part lai work condit sheesh edu side invert gsx fork convert into floor lamp jeff deenei dod nctr shamu jld hpfcla ama cohvco llamaha bad that famili torn apart simpl wild dog jack handei
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot folk bui bike and honda ascot mile thi sound reason choic special nathan
rec.motorcycles	polic ossif read thi stuff laferrier write wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop happen charli lear us connect didn hei thi cyberspac mister you wanna statesid cop gotta john gaijin japan sun sun microsystem atsugi japan
rec.motorcycles	bui advic need articl afoi janvopv cmu edu dale jame cmu edu write great bike you damn care motorcycl deleta bike light for size pound heavi for beginn bike heavi for beginn bike pound isn adman dream full tank area lb depend year etc you you problem physic manag seat roughli akin plastic coat firm pain depend time saddl and version had seat imo bike suffer infam suzuki regul problem avoid fork roughli for suzuki part kludg honda regul rectifi unit junkyard charg system consist overcharg batteri refil weekli thi not bad batteri access gain remov seat tank and airbox regul last mile and didn overcharg batteri wire connector charg path toasti tend melt insul suspect underspecifi didn that remov cool air batteri access earlier bike doesn requir tank remov you learn drill pretti straightforward replac part suzuki part outrag expens bought replac part for brand motorcycl offer grain salt dale assess good luck and care dale sentiment can argu won dean deed deed vulcan edsg hac
rec.motorcycles	newbi articl swox gwi mailer fsu edu fsu edu write hei yea that newbi never own motorcycl thi make spring matt not purpos thi articl read for dai curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give want hold grab rail back and heard that shoulder direct turn lean tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc never like passeng and shift weight turn find weight shift can sudden and unnerv thing get comfort decid your shoulder don recommend shift weight each turn violent thi make your passeng wear good gear sometim choos ride helmet lack safeti gear depend squidli feel won passeng can handl wouldn want hurt don glove jacket jean heavi boot and helmet that fit want thi posit experi for that want will appreci real easi amaz solid grip you handl bar that your passeng not don make feel slide back and snappi turn for you sicken lurch for gener feel control and smooth passeng can stand back brother bike and ride aggress ride and good pilot feel unsteadi you passeng bob show not show time thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	dod confession can ration everytim happen uncontrol hate pre motorcycl thought phase us didn happen gaze and custom each time sadist pictur hurl larg precipic pictur swarm german tourist cheer and take holidai snap can figur that part everytim read sig contain spoke wheel shudder and feel piti that poor soul suffer imagin owner scrap live discard maytag refridger box tuck hope for deliver had past loath milwauke machin can begin understand preach hope beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	tape daytona articl acsu buffalo edu ubvmsb buffalo edu mark olszowi write haven mention for repost tnn show daytona sundai april est don miss hell finish look for and didn manag find list for tnn tape vh and persuad lend watch great jon wright hell page softwar inc dod that come outa mouth vfr
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl apr colorado edu bowmanj csn org jerri bowman write articl bethdc juzw netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri articl motorcycl coupl month back specif women attir for and not ride mention make stuff specif for women dimens and work bate will make custom jacket and leather for reason charg jon wright hell page softwar inc dod that come outa mouth vfr
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist blaisec blais cirelli write question danger ride sorta question bike you recommend for time rider honda hawk ymmv paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you aptli put road jerk don wanna hear your whine fine fuck you notic two year ago and learn and cost and peopl friend and rel involv drunk relat accid not hit and cousin recov can back happen stupid remind time you help stuff your opinion hei man you brought agre complet drive drunk stupid and understand and that you feel bad dwi endem societi real problem and motorcyclist can worst vulner posit drunk driver alert reader rememb that last year wit dwi accid bloodi front and unabl save life particip report drunk drive motorcyclist prime injuri and death rais insur rate forc stupidli restrict law and turn public ride respons view drunk drive carri mandatori prison sentenc traffic offens not public fund issu genuin safeti issu you bring subject rec moto admit caught dwi and for sympathi consequ don expect peopl respond warm wish dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire you and beav lighten esp beav agre that dui dwi reason law strict enforc and tough sentenc andrew not post for sympathi consequ post ask for advic had extrem high quot post valid found insur for note predica not defend drunk drive and renounc drunk drive repeat offend worri and bdc make thi person longer part problem outcast paid debt societi step high hors irrespons past that guilti type hostil rapist come feel punish not sever true dwi dui that case stinkin gubment chang had reason law dwi dui stiff penalti fewer peopl rate andrew paid debt defin law you that debt greater law mandat your repres jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write exb csdvax csd unsw edu wrote guess you make left turn correct edg stud contact road caus turn and unthread you had make turn tighten stud bzzzt for plai make turn sucker coupl feet ground michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want martenm chess ncsu edu mark marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you file thi apolog for ask and will gladli accept flame that blown belstaff tankbag and ain good difficult fix secur co tank fair sidepanel layout and bar full lock bag touch handlebar switch you horn full left lock and starter motor full bui anoth for magnet
rec.motorcycles	bike short not older bike yamaha virago spec seat height and honda shadow
rec.motorcycles	mainten tip read servic manual for bike suzuki coupl question hope you can answer check oil level dip stick built into oil fill cap check cap screw not us dip stick for cage stick extract fulli wipe clean and reinsert fulli withdrawn and read dip stick bike part oil filler cap and inch thread remov cap wipe stick clean and reinsert screw read servic manual call for applic suzuki bond head cover guess thi sort liquid gasket materi you gener cheaper substitut headlight halogen bulb easi brighter replac bulb for your weather philadelphia final turn warm thi weekend lotsa bike and rider wave nice chang tone philadelphia can chri christoph karra internet cgkarra world std
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist ditto articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write think bike owner thi year bike experi figur that get decent us bike for thing pai for grad school car permit and want ride bu for advic bike model year not for loud roar thing that sound monster quit whir newer engin like apprec advic
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj cours and that not mj teach techniqu success you don miss you never had poor sod don miss guess ignor bliss mike bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk mere femal found can big offens line asshol car driver found subtl and nastli ooop mean nasti back cut you wait till pull past you and gentli lean and bend aerial time that eventu snap base undetect for and bummer replac gillian
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj that you don even peopl mj techniqu counterst co will intuit mj time round corner karr cornel edu david karr write karr you rememb that you can corner karr counterst fact experienc rider instructor karr claim that rider and make bike karr turn whichev side want shift weight karr even oper turn opposit karr direct admit never thi experienc thi back young and foolish bike us track extrem true highwai set throttl tension screw hold ga steadi slide back seat and lean backrest ride hand need turn shift weight into turn and and behold bike turn san touch bar grant wouldn turn fast prove that you can turn bike counterst not term input bar associ counterst peopl you lean and input give bar total unconsci that suffici you road normal circumst possibl for year stretch can argu that thi prefer properli know manipul bar turn you want call for sixsmith bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	insur discount hola amigo quiero answer press question two bike and love capabl and smooth street bike low and lightweight wide power and great brake beemer kind rough for citi great long road and backroad good start stabl don work insur pluck short hair insur agent offer multi vehicl discount thi time for car assum that you capabl drive thing time don manag straddl bike and ride tandem street turn left acceler zephyr turn acceler beemer agenc that make us thi simpl fact discount your rate state farm doesn move bai area insur bike and regist eas shock can guesstim cost insur and tucson cost full and liabil for two per annum mucha gracia enriqu
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean commun work your system slow and holler back onc reason speed even muffl magna can hear each mph that you can commun balanc passeng real pain you never react steer peopl catch immedi and lean complet skittish lean thing and bodi perpendicular horizon thi pain turn manag worst passeng stai perpendicular horizon rememb middl turn and whip correct posit thi screw line pick person checklist thing passeng attir helmet long pant boot heavi shoe jacket feet peg time not you can had peopl dismount traffic pull park space muffler get hot nuff good traction not fall time rider surpris tightli you can turn turn dynam sit that you feel you sit upright and straight trust your butt not your ey you confus close your ey for coupl turn feel hug tight sudden move shift your weight desir gradual can compens your facepl open close desir trust essenti trust driver thing driven mile thi thing and oper enjoi ride thi import stress for exampl time passwnger watch speedo hawk drove beach and whever top mph holler slow scare humor for simpli cover speedomet spare piec duct tape stuck top cluster problem solv watch sceneri instrument and had time base experi drive lincoln continent unwil trust abil choos safe speed for bike point control engin transmiss brake tire etc and discuss motorcycl physic bit for timer help calm nerv and bike chanc warm watch for gravel hamilton road lot mudslid last big rain blind corner will nice cover carpet round invis stone doesn build trust you slide blind corner trip good luck fun don drink soap dilut dilut
rec.motorcycles	ain for articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write confus that surpris ask for copi faq mail not kotfaq wonder proper responc panel judg deliber question and answer send request copi and gang faq blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you aptli put road jerk don wanna hear your whine fine fuck you attitud problem muttonhead you comment sensit despis peopl belittl drink and drive sinc girlfriend kill such asshol back learn verbal abus you can flame and you can us your brain stai newsgroup beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr thi compani idea talk
rec.motorcycles	bike motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell jami belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	bike motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell jami belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	comment honda interceptor jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl write articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write purchas honda interceptor for cdn don mileag thi bike pictur trader magazin good shape can enlighten whether thi good purchas oog hate jump thi type thread pass big top heavi and carri lot expens part friend refer ground magnet jeff earl jearl tekig pen tek dod kottg kotspt wmtc ama millennium falcon squid factor klr thumpi hit button chewi han solo ain nothin mph sweeper idaho rocki dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag agre thi you grab chin and care your hand twist head tailwag you death even had occas unexpectedli jump german shepherd and grab upper jaw hand and lower jaw hold mouth open strong clamp and can noth thi macho shit fact that you ride bike and dog arrow intercept unwis for you stop and deal dog for simpl fact that your leather and work your jean you can dismount and deal properli mean you kick dog attent stop and stai you kick dog and ride that victori for dog drove you territori not even qualifi victori victori you kick and stop and sit dog will shit thi gui and back you establish your domin dog and will not bother you llama stori you stop llama will hop and insist ride and that you lucki doesn you barf you bike and steal curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	question helmet side fenc own bieff road helmet minor fall and had visibl damag shell helmet job damag impact ratio scari bell moto impact order twice bieff impact thi frequent and don even scratch two season recommend bui high qualiti gear ymmv mark
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl bethdc juzw netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri lucki found jacket like that fit make pilot jacket mine similar style made leather san jose bought last two made find decent women motorcycl gear not easi lot stuff that fring made fashion leather made fit men etc don shop your area women rider friendli place san francisco san jose area don recommend bui cloth mail order hard fit bate custom make leather you want call and cost estim for type jacket your wife interest larg manufactur bmw and sell women line cloth decent qualiti fit iffi ago noemi and lisa sievert talk start busi thi sort thing don final decid beth that john collin us carri honest god women garb beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write fast quickli lastest rumor rear wheel handl dream straight line and get tad upset review cycl world corner you can you can you mean fast straight line perform and handl present dai liter sport bike horsepow and faster and mile time max corner bit handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai true randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
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rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl mqinn emori mathc emori edu gnome org write jame bessett jimb cbnewsj att wrote articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write breeder chase bmw cam chain that case chase goldw toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
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rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda articl btb uki edu cbrook uki edu clayton brook write honda guru can replac front sprocket honda slightli larger thi prefer reduc size rear that twin cam steel guard sprocket broken chain punch hole engin case and need not room fit bigger sprocket inclin two teeth rear for ratio chang ad front for you rais gear ratio you impair bike rideabl gear will apart that will gear that adequ respons speed honda don widest power band chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile previou articl essbaum rchland vnet ibm alexand essbaum articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought vfr gui san jose net that mile odomet mark andi live pittsburgh bought dude massachusett connecticut sold bike net young ladi live salt lake citi live lost angel turn had mutual aquaint ucla bower dod alfa ducati hobi kottk blad iaido nasa good sake don you that girl can plai guitar mari chapin carpent
rec.motorcycles	protect gear second boot oil spot car slipperi park bike and good boot squid
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda articl cellar org craig cellar org saint craig wrote can contact chaparel cycl suppli hei even had sprocket for hard find accesssori for second that even had sprocket for hard find john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi sender repli harmon gyro tek harmon sommer distribut organ usr en etc organ keyword bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol current membership laps for renew case that not for anoth year hint will organ busi that long and prefer longer and worth part becom activist campaign for insur program for univers driver rider train licens pick topic dear your heart and organ act barnacl don move ship
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post sender repli harmon gyro tek harmon sommer distribut organ usr en etc organ keyword hei you explain fact that you pull hors rein left left confus two thread taught neck rein left rein brought bear left side hors neck equestrian counter steer
rec.motorcycles	for sale sell sportster make room for flhtcu thi scoot excel condit and never wreck abus garag sportster standard blue factori convers kit mile branch port and polish big valv head screamin eagl carb screamin eagl cam adjust pushrod harlei perform muffler tachomet metzel tire front and rear progress front fork spring harlei king and queen seat and sissi bar chrome ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat die hard batteri bike cover price phone melbourn florida
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and return dod number andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl qjn sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write singl track snow vehicl front ski and snow ski attach skier leg deform surfac snow creat bank ic skate alter phase ic and carv track bugger motorcycl appar similar handl characterist not analag underli physic that motorcycl handl characterist last attempt tack agreement that two explan for can us handlebar lean move motorcycl question effect domin and idea design experi seaprat two characterist and effect produc similar result bike familiar that spark controversi gyroscop precess examin thi alon rid contact patch effect not allow contact patch transmit forc wheel and steer mechan remain and attach vehicl weight bike suspens that wheel transmit forc bike similar bike experi ride bike dry road move and wheel spin chang surfac that won transmit forc contact patch and steer manoeuvr bike lean sinc easi fall ic wouldn good idea feel contact patch can turn even ic doesn rid contact patch forc altogeth find frictionless surfac you wheel lock rotat that contact patch effect fairli simpl find vehicl that get magnitud and direct cantact patch forc motorcycl and transmit vehicl rotat wheel get contact patch forc irrelev for that contact patch that can straight and not sidewai and ski skate fine don snow ski skate bike suzuki wetbik that arrang motorcycl fat water ski wheel propellor front rear ski that coast rid effect admit that thi second hand info love review local cycl rag and gui bike shop that sell that thi machin handl motorcycl that you counterst turn contact patch that transmit similar forc bike similar suspens arrang and gyroscop counterst conclus you don gyroscop counterst vehicl that motorcycl contact patch arrang don real effect gyroscop observ handlebar angl forc etc relat steer gener will bet that not domin factor counterst you don thi conclus don accept motorcycl behaviour consist can prove ahead bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write don stupid leav your helmet seat can fall and boom true put ground free spoog directli head that kind fall helmet design protect not exactli helmet lot energi your head isn and lump insid compress liner shell drop seat crack shell doubt you can send inspect bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing us mad and commun anger jerk uhm educ improv manner traffic tail heavi traffic slow bit buffer zone front balanc minim buffer find that jerk will notic traffic move faster lane switch into and pass fine can ey jerk ahead front split attent ahead and mirror traffic heavi that for jerk pass pull for street number name ignor jerk jerk tail thi sound wimpi denizenli pessimist perhap for psych type passiv aggress that prefer adrenalin jolli ride yell jerk ride can improv dai yell jerk like for ruin ride dai anger worst case yell jerk ruin life sinc even tini jerk cage arm cage bike hand you subtli arrang last vehicl legal cross intersect leav jerk wait for cross traffic and your tail cross illeg hopefulli front wait polic almost your choic and mileag will vari deni mckeon galwai chtm eec unm edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl shaman tek harmon tek harmon sommer write bmw owner think sign for moa current membership laps for renew hint will organ busi that long becom activist campaign for insur program for univers driver rider train licens pick topic dear your heart and organ act barnacl don move ship you not refer quot individu barnacl don each send crew ship move organ act easi can and organ will larg determin presid and director can that make import vote elect offic strike that bmwmoa lot polit activ state and nation arena not infight organ chang thi join group that polit incident polit hazard motorcycl rider moment don compar problem group gun owner target pistol shoot northeast california and bet you you had worri wear helmet thread rec moto eventu come gun david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	for women motorcycl helmet bui us motorcycl helmet interest full face shield not necessarili helmet piec chin email directli janic kendal kendal adob decwrl sun adob kendal onward fog oat willi
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl cycl world magazin never bad motorcycl max motor thing short short chassi love straight line aim nice stabl not overfond corner forc into protest shake head chatter front tire grind footpeg and gener make prefer for straight pavement bump doesn fork isn bad soft that can bottom hard brake shock work that short travel shaft drive swingarm firm point harsh dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	hasti appar that last post hasi sinc call place and quot for and liabil palc will give for car liab bike for total ain bad won place call that fer andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	time kind soul advanc time rev for special bought canada
rec.motorcycles	for sale sell sportster make room for flhtcu thi scoot excel condit and never wreck abus garag sportster standard blue factori convers kit mile branch port and polish big valv head screamin eagl carb screamin eagl cam adjust pushrod harlei perform muffler tachomet metzel tire front and rear progress front fork spring harlei king and queen seat and sissi bar chrome ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat die hard batteri bike cover price phone melbourn florida
rec.motorcycles	stolen aarghhhh articl jpolito apr sysgem encor jpolito sysgem encor jonathan polito write articl apr microun ericm microun eric murrai write watch scumbag steal cover that mean that steal bike case had fade cover stolen bmw that stash apart carport and not visibl street evid decid beemer wasn worth steal night steal honda hurrican park apart build neighbor heard wheel and call cop thi set thi thing that good bmw bike account heard practic steal bmw similar for moto guzzi and rel exot sinc isn larg demand for part and bike easier track that stolen bike harlei and jap sport bike you for reason btw coupl year ago stolen bike orang counti and gsx and ninja biggest reason bmw aren rip that peopl bui bmw will deal actual bmw dealer mail order type can inventori check fairli easili law enforc type and mark suffici honest acquir part for harlei and rice rocket you situat huge aftermarket harlei part bike can part fairli easili ditto sport japanes bike price part for not high compar for rocket anytim bike plastic crack and expens replac fairli easi for disreput shop fair stolen bike slap bike for repair repaint and make tidi profit part traceabl can us discard traceabl mike disclaim opiini damn exit quitby ctrlaltdel logout save quit quit zzzzzz man helpquit man exit quit ctrlshftdel hei stop
rec.motorcycles	passeng helmet size articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small shop for passeng helmet notic that case extern dimens helmet differ amount insid pad solut bui larg helmet and construct remov liner sheet close cell foam and satin glu insid surfac result snug fit smallest head pillion liner and comfort fit largest head pillion liner get liner not fit michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi bill ranck write bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol you gui sort thi bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg ditto for tim seiss
rec.motorcycles	us bike east west coast hpcc rec motorcycl groverc gold gvg tek grover cleveland apr shop for your bike sacramento bai area price higher state affirm check sacramento bee fresno bee modesto stockton bakersfield and newspap for price moto classifi larg main public librari number town paper graem harrison hewlett packard commun compon divis trimbl san jose gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	paint job can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland alex technolog hous uxbridg road tel eal fax london email lisa alex
rec.motorcycles	happi easter nick pettefar npet bnr wrote kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl jonathan quist bemoan minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing lotu set for manag buyout weren happi that elan late and pricei can write elan develop cost sell for sensibl price legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani vicker roll royc car and kevin post morgan us slide pillar front suspens bike long bleed last will that pettefar bloke mail address can bung ogri list dave david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer wrote grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint graviti never you lesson put your helmet ground your head you put ground isn gonna fall ground you put your head tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir wrote egreen east sun write tjohnson tazmanian prime tod johnson write horn hand throttl into feet bike mph second long push horn button answer feet feet edgetacalcul rom number easi rememb mph sec tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff articl world std artc world std art campbel wrote hotli contest bmwoa elect and inept leadership question histori bmw organ that lead format bmwra year ago that precipit format two compet owner group yep start nomin simultan splitsvil start sourc correct gui involv start group true tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact thing full face even cheap brain bucket didn full face import gnarli spill and end slide feet face visor you worri your contact
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike billi jack wild smokei and bandit jerri reed run truck motorcycl gang bike and video tape documentari hell angel found rental store onc
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist angel levin write exactli danger you mind jodi
rec.motorcycles	counterst not question lotto husc harvard edu jerri lotto write run thread understand counterst lot opinion not basi fact studi bottom line understand and abil swerv essenti absent accid involv rider hurt studi averag rider not identifi that counterst alon primari input effect motorcycl lean even year practic agre paragraph hurt studi make distinct abil swerv and failur swerv accid and accid that rider will almost stand brake hard dare simpli instinct brake face danger strong that ride hard brake and swerv tend mutual exclus manouvr hurt draw conclus gener prefer
rec.motorcycles	for women motorcycl helmet lisa alex lisa rowland write janic don unduli cautiou wouldn bui us helmet not for normal road us you never happen past life fun lisa rowland second that list stuff that unwis bui secondhand stuff parachut toilet paper condom and motorcycl helmet risk you extrem good fit secondhand helmet co life doesn work that and lisa you never
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl quw btq cso uiuc edu mikeh cso uiuc edu mike hollyman custom that replac cylind head gasket put back togeth wouldn idl run cylind and backfir and spit flame exhaust side exhaust mac bought plug todai and run rough and won idl quit fine tune knob carb mess check time fine advanc and that didn assum carb synch can bui kit and thi kit for price suggest advanc mike hollyman sound you cam time
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog thought that coolant aluminum safe sinc tear kawasaki add
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write sinc occur paid dollar renumer drunk class and listen righteou asshol that your rest world you never had your suare devil made
rec.motorcycles	counterst not question wed apr gmt mj sy uea mike sixsmith mike lotto husc harvard edu jerri lotto write understand and abil swerv essenti absent accid involv rider hurt studi mike agre paragraph hurt mike studi make distinct abil swerv and failur mike swerv specif abil understand techniqu absent made lot progress rider educ and respons last ten twenti year amaz anytim teach erc peopl year ride experi discov counterst for corner swerv mike hard brake and swerv tend mutual exclus mike manouvr hurt draw conclus gener mike prefer specif recommand cite hurt studi that formal street strategi sipd for exampl import compon rider educ curriculum specif skill emerg brake corner and swerv taught and practic signific that rider noth confront potenti accid and anoth collid fell result rider error choic specif maneuv signific outcom earli detect and proper execut effect countermeasur jerri lotto lotto lhasa harvard edu msfci hogssc bcso ama dod chemistri dept harvard univ harlei and ride want
rec.motorcycles	for joh dhhalden last pete young tue apr gmt wibbl nick pettefar npet bnr wrote tsk tsk tsk anoth newbi bite dust learn newbi disappoint you internet baghdad you your dad bag thi bit funni peopl made thi group interest year ago longer and time make random sweep onc week miss thi thread terribl base your previou post appar devoid humour sarcasm wit appar capac walk and chew gum time assum you mea culpa subtleti sort you subtl isn nice that bnr that can afford overpai contractor sit and read new dai that foreign firm for you and touchi newbi that matter starch undi nick consider biker dod concis oxford gum chewer lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar charl parr tue apr gmt wibbl articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write satan rode bike you stop rider stick togeth you stop for satan ride vincent god jesu ride angel ariel and demon ride matchless talk fill teeth regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person that vincent wrong sort bike for satan ride honda brought bike magazin evil that satan not hesit ride hole dm levi and black bomber jacket not helmet darth vader you satan cruisin god ride vincent white lightn rightou inject wear piec leather suit match boot helmet and glove nick righteou biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak bill wr gozer bill slack dod tear shed vain and word lost rumbl engin and smoke exhaust
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl dpa new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground dod darkman last two motorcycl shaft driven and will wheeli rear gear climb ring gear and lift rear odd feel wheeli
rec.motorcycles	for sale zephyr boi and girl bought beemer and realiz abruptli that grad student sold truck yesterdai sell zephyr can sell thi month great insur and tag run coupl week tag and insur and happen sweet bike mile almost highwai last summer great ride and border purchas exactli year ago apr model good fair and luggag rack red clean perfect mainten bullshit spare detail want and will fit charm not bike for big peopl not small bike standard upright posit and good smooth power great brake good karma erik dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack eagerli await comment ic princess door make habit floor cage drivewai see come hit mph made mistak wave neighbor sort grudg ride downhil mph local backroad brown dobi flash brush mph intercept front wheel dog had start top hill heard and had lead hit road dog approach left and run full tilt bike side road rover back calcul final trajectori bad didn notic car approach mph direct closeup view poor canin friend noggin careen front bumper smack asphalt and get runov front tire manag pretti good yelp impact peripher immin doom guess driver didn swerv into lane squeege pup and head back home haven sinc sniff sometim fate see you and smile rick
rec.motorcycles	for sale sigh for sale reluctantli classic bike yamaha twin origin mile store insid front end aftermarket taper steer head bear racer suppli rear bronz swingarm bush tsubaki chain pirrhana fair headlight cutout carrera race seat superbik bar velo stack twin carb origin seat tank origin cherri white paint scratch dent ding exhaust origin final rust and discard process make kennei robert replica cafe racer graduat school marriag child preclud effort wife love unload assembl throw manual receipt and collect societi newslett and relev mag articl great fun classic bike invest will reason offer timothi shicklei director neurourolog depart urolog and anatomi cell biologi templ univers school medicin north broad philadelphia voic data voic fax internet shicklei templ edu bitnet shicklei templevm bitnet icbm
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write interestingli thing that never happen that bike never move neg impair sentenc that bike move michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock steve buni southwest chicago doc webrid central sun wrote post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi yamaha cyclelok photo motorcyclist harden steel kryptonit lock fold place extend lock rear tire tube park sign similar had experi easi attack lock joint section toni
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	bike advic kawasaki mint condit and start kick time outgrown bike and sell told that sound higher lower for us spend and year for bike pai arm and leg for rob fusi rwf lehigh edu
rec.motorcycles	bmwmoa controversi articl apr esac prahren esac peter ahren write articl rider joe rider cactu org write vech msstate edu craig vechorik write good boi that long agre you that current board garbag vote you simpli trade form trash for anoth oppon your select equal time joe don you post you ration bmwmoa folk left rest summari current state affair your esteem organ togeth histor outlin you contretemp you dod member bike and club polit and llsh real turn tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
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rec.motorcycles	bat helmet cbd christoph bradlei devlin andrew cmu edu cbd noth compar ahem uniqu helmet cbd design anim seri huge open for cbd mouth top world tiniest eyeslit enorm mouth cbd open batman helmet cut you degre cbd unrestrict vision helmet thi cbd leather cap mask thingi cbd mon batman doesn batman cbd you notic take bike snow rain batdud weird helmet drag knee corner cookson hidden bat puck and take bike snow rain let robin ride us bat mom made get licens lot easier trend stylish helmet stylish knee drag ride stylish cartoon precipit hmm that deal verit airborn mammalian poseur dare bat squid huh bat squid add make man honorari dod dude dod sticker address for batman current artist comic book and anim seri write and batman becom honorari denizen yeah special kotl preced for induct imaginari member imaginari motorcycl comput bat cave can safe assum that imaginari internet access ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr virtual realiti check bounc comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm digress ride unpaint centerlin roughli foot wide road forti and sixti click mph for veloc impair dog shot bush left side road imposs high speed learn had acceler front porch thirti feet head gentli slope approach side road dog and you sipd boom dog left leg and mark bike leg driven side bike consider forc make perman mark plastic part bike and crack panel dog spin look back memori thi moment hazi turn and pick like hous apologet woman explain that dog not hurt cut mouth and hope not hurt feel pain shin and expect cool purpl welt form sadli not left tender shin and cool battl scar interestingli thing that never happen that bike never move not inconsider impact not push bike put bike control gut reaction sudden impact delai pain help didn feel sudden sharp pain that can rememb worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit worri happen had car dog consol thought that insan bdi cager whip blind drivewai mph for that matter drivewai long for car hit mph end eagerli await comment ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr hurt dammit jim doctor comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl apr cbnewsj att jimb cbnewsj att jame bessett write articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write heard dog breeder that chain bicycl and motorcycl produc high frequenc squeak that dog love chase breeder chase bmw squeaki bmw rider rai shea wound effect method unisql inc leah unisql rai utexa edu dai miss boon real bad dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write articl apr ncsu edu jrwater eo ncsu edu jack roger water write relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count thought cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return hei mon gui and gal chose word carefulli and even faq straight don holler bohica even mention dod number your sig can you soundli faqe notic that not faq care monk wait press return jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	flash apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write bike hazard light front and back turn signal flash sinc live and commut nyc number toll pai rout arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact take glove get monei coin changer pocket make transact put glove back take time averag cager take make transact pai toll notic that thi cager tend messag and anoth booth question thi good bad thing tend curiou rob castro email rdc cunixf columbia edu live for todai phone for todai you live dod nyc york york usa beleiv not state onc consid elimin toll for motor cycl base simpli fact that moto clog toll booth mario realiz foolish trade hundr year for relief traffic congest bad won that sumprem court justic job thought rid forev matt denni internet mmd wbst xerox xerox corpor rochest usa reach consensu group confus find answer norman maier
rec.motorcycles	guzzi tire fair question question tire for guzzi tire that bought and crack not owner manual for tire list hayn manual front rear and pressur recommend front and rear oddli pressur for tire list psi reason pressur run that recommend manufactur tire purchas real question thi tire that bike for front metzler tour special and for rear avon roadrunn mark each tire larger that list hayn manual owner manual recommend and common size for thi bike thi will motorcycl innertub comment manufactur tube qualiti size inch for addit mark current rear tire metric match local bmw dealer thought front and back happen good get close match mail order price think metzler laser possibl comp front and back mb varieti longer last belt system us vision and for front and and thought that shaft drive behavior and torqu guzzi that give predict back end control and slide behavior give tire milag life comment friend told thought that bike had boranni rim good rel soft and delic sidewal not mount tire thi time warn shop care comment make havn look rim check make mark told late yesterdai and havn had chanc check rim type anoth note will remov ugli good shape want vetter fair and will run windscreen for eventu simpl round cafe style quarter fair for fork handlebar mount suggest such thing frame mount quarter fair cafe style for thi bike lower bar clip on for restor bike into good condit runner modern updat not histor exactli accur reflect rel represent cafe style picki that period predat thi bike that thi bike such potenti for that edward walsh hewlett packard compani edw boi disk memori divis box bois idaho vision guzzi dod edward walsh hewlett packard compani edw boi disk memori divis box bois idaho vision guzzi dod
rec.motorcycles	sabbat and futur flame begin week sabbat minut six wonder week ride and phone email won check mail setup vacat agent can dial and newsfe dont outstand cfc such thing compuserv address compuserv weekdai ride send mail post think you stuck front your termin sheeyaahhh and monkei fly butt ride safe dave sens ain common dave warner opinion share ama hog dod employ dwarner sceng signatur file dwarner milo compuserv fxst stolen
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl clark bdrc clark bdrc richard clark write final trajectori bad didn notic car approach mph direct closeup view poor canin friend noggin careen front bumper smack asphalt and get runov front tire manag pretti good yelp impact peripher immin doom guess driver didn swerv into lane squeege pup and head back home haven sinc thing everydai dog chase bicycl owner thought cute even moto stupid dog thing dai come home opposit lane fluff teeth ran and plai momentum share dodg pick owner blame for drive street live wierd town beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr park space don steenkin park space
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year bikeless you drink and drive you pai smilei mike beavington mbeav bnr opinion and not compani
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write appar that last post hasi sinc call place and quot for and liabil palc will give for car liab bike for total ain bad won place call that fer nevertheless dwi ckin hope you brain mike beavington mbeav bnr opinion and not compani
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impac previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher articl sda usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write peopl train for year jump hors feet equistrian poser wear velvet tail and useless helmet turn that hors bunch weeni fashion nerd and helmet suck wear shoei mountain bike helmet fuck perman injur oop late nah can walk unaid fast chanc mike
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rec.sport.baseball	dodger move articl apr ncar ucar edu tparker music scd ucar edu tom parker write bet buddi dodger move year move dodger year
rec.sport.baseball	record basebal articl psl jinnam jhunix hcf jhu edu admir jhunix hcf jhu edu steve liu write team cub record basebal back and cleveland indian
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rec.sport.baseball	red sleev uniform person think red sleeveless uniform ugli anoth reason won win west eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu marxist groucho sort grafitti pari tanstaafl internet come close
rec.sport.baseball	joe robbi stadium not for basebal articl apr oswego oswego edu iac oswego edu kevin mundstock write iac oswego edu kevin mundstock subject joe robbi stadium not for basebal date apr gmt notic word not for basebal print pictur joe robbi stadium open dai season preview section usa todai reason for thi assum that word pictur that seat will not for basebal game you pictur diamond stadium relat area mark not for basebal seat terribl for watch basebal happen reach post season imagin that open seat that sure worri futur sam lubchanski spl cwru edu champion peopl loser and treat scorn sugari condiment secur initi pleasur ferment grain decidedli parsimoni time
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rec.sport.baseball	joe robbi stadium not for basebal articl apr oswego oswego edu iac oswego edu kevin mundstock write notic word not for basebal print pictur joe robbi stadium open dai season preview section usa todai reason for thi and answer simpl creat feel park seat will fold back for basebal game you word
rec.sport.baseball	mile high run run will score denver don idea can run score mile high stadium last year bear zephyr tenur american associ total run score per game zephyr game leagu game and ratio found ratio for year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio pretti clear that denver will larg effect run score stick predict last year that top thi year and fairli larg effect homerun appar not larg atlanta wriglei cincinnati and san diego pretti decent home run park john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
rec.sport.baseball	pick comment articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write articl psbg inngjj master rose hulman edu rickert nextwork rose hulman edu john rickert write articl jfr msstate edu jfr msstate edu jacki russel write psg pitt edu paul galvanek write nation leagu west cincinnati houston atlanta argh you dead wrong not sinc yanke and team nice setup thi year and year come brave don that star team will thi comparison yanke finsh and finsh and game and finish second and game even great team can lose that plai season hand pick brave sure you didn intend compar red philidelphia yanke finish team that good yanke yanke had ag peak year ruth and gehrig couldn plai posit simultan imo ag brave and red thi season that brave will closer peak red slightli pass peak you compar brave and yanke comparison brave yanke fall short two year row excit world seri team won will win seri thi year despit heroic fart team casei stengel dave winfield perhap respond yanke and part comment team thing and lost not unreason for pick anoth team not that john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu brewer
rec.sport.baseball	marlin win marlin win articl lloyd lloyd uclink berkelei edu lloyd nebr write that teal bleah color teal team uniform indic futur marlin dire troubl refer san jose shark for proof hope for marlin member rene lachemann fan club oakland coliseum and deep respect for gui gem and walt weiss that franchis class yeah design uniform guilti pauciti style and imagin ugghhh child like marlin uniform helmet shine nice sun make fan ted frank teel mention that thf kimbark uchicago edu advic legal sound you follow law school you will wind jail standard disclaim jame donald misc legal
rec.sport.baseball	mark whiten vacat last week and didn new fill loui end mark whiten trade give arocha allen watson dmitri young dal make decent deal russ smith don georg gervin assist coach
rec.sport.baseball	info need for cleveland ticket articl apr leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu matthew bohnert write cleveland thursdai april sundai april tribe will town date and plai and ticket tribe will town april ticket plai toronto and toronto fan make trip cleveland easier ticket cleveland toronto doubt will sell end season doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher mss netcom mark singer articl blue ci pitt edu genet pitt edu david tate write mss netcom mark singer that player thi ag make impact big haven even plai aaa ball thi irrelev you talk averag lot inform thi player base decis you that inform don person clai post show that lopez wasn good exampl niev sinc last year number line previou year didn access point remain know gui minor leagu histori good know major leagu histori you read isn lopez like hit that hit that last year adjust stat for park and leagu and such hit absolut scale olson berryhil lot don you percentag player reach exce mle rooki season talk you mle not project equival thi hit last year major leagu term rate essenc reach guess bob clai that essenti half player surpass previou mle rooki season half sinc player young and improv that your purpos offerman spent get acclim you will dodger team paid big price that season offerman differ place and last place perhap will reap benefit road you compet for pennant didn suppos gut farm system acquir jai bell spike owen content point not that signific sampl that hadn spring train even blockhead manag question whether minor leagu number for real send get warm for stat head amaz that you put credenc spring train you read wrote you amaz claim put credenc spring train quit contrari that lopez hadn that even bozo put credenc spring train interpret failur spring train number meaningless doesn mean that bobbi cox case rule explan for send lopez kid will improv plai aaa keith mitchel wait minut miss keith mitchel aaa and major season poorli for year aaa david tate not you that close pose and open understand can pocket your glove deeper pete rose cum not even tim rain such soft hand
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher thi discuss mark singer and david tate valentin weigh side dave time opinion fwiw mark ag doesn matter abil untri rooki great minor leagu number veteran proven averag don care plai want sandi alomar had decent minor leagu number grossli inflat pcl gener and la vega project averag major leagu hitter good for catcher admit santiago number come sandi don leagu data mid check that agre send lopez richmond start season box below show minor leagu season hit two hit poorli want that lopez real olson and berryhil not complet mediocr for catcher catcher essenti averag hitter equival averag had hit prior level belong brave reason chanc that lopez last year fluke alomar santiago year level ag doesn satisfi standard evid javier lopez bur dur grn atl maj min tot maj min tot similar note don understand peopl not support neon deion grant thought behavior mccarver last year complet bush last year time place line hard read combin op minor leagu plai speed valuabl op alon and young ag had monster year op total major and minor eqa major leagu averag and averag for last year shown potenti into make hitter leagu two full season reach prime season consid legitim prospect and not simpl side show attract deion sander fla int ea nyi int nyi int atl ric atl maj min tot maj min tot clai
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rec.sport.baseball	red sleev uniform articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write person think red sleeveless uniform ugli anoth reason won win west uniform decid factor pennant race pirat never won ugliest uniform yellow set sherri nichol snichol adob vote for indian red uniform boog powel onc felt big red blood clot rich barri barri ihlp att
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rec.sport.baseball	predict for sinc run wild predict decid add fuel fire bit normal albeit small surpris american leagu east york yanke baltimor oriol toronto blue jai cleveland indian boston red sox milwauke brewer detroit tiger american leagu west minnesota twin kansa citi royal texa ranger chicago white sox oakland athlet seattl marin california angel mvp kirbi puckett young kevin appier rooki year tim salmon manag year buck showalt comeback player year ozzi guillen nation leagu east loui cardin philadelphia philli montreal expo york met chicago cub pittsburgh pirat florida marlin nation leagu west atlanta brave cincinnati red houston astro lo angel dodger san francisco giant san diego padr colorado rocki mvp barri larkin young john smoltz rooki year wil cordero manag year joe torr comeback player year eric davi champion loui cardin champion minnesota twin world champion loui cardin loui pick heart brain will win divis lose brave nlc and brave will win seri minnesota for stick card kevin
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl blue ci pitt edu genet pitt edu david tate write for rush qualit differ minor and major that requir period adjust and don wouldn you wast lopez year good season year good season year excel season sooner you acclim prime you us can name player rush major for argument sake defin rush brought major for cup coffe prior ag younger and perform below expect career damag thi rush tend agre david that bring player sooner player for thi theori didn work prefer player last year can minor leagu stat import distinguish player legitim had career below minor leagu number project oppos player hype and fail had career not line minor leagu number kick exampl player rush doesn damag career jai bell pa major leagu ag and perform below you expect aaa number season pa year ag and underperform year ag perform improv and won everydai shortstop job and sinc hard for stai minor leagu perform quit aaa thi time rush cleveland suppos like give you bring player earli like struggl that delai time stop struggl and start perform expect sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.baseball	cub game april articl apr oucsac ohiou edu jclark oucsac ohiou edu michael clark write oti nixion line singl left two out break hitter cub win hitter jose guzman that take beat brave thi year smoltz pitch line hit walk and loss
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher mss netcom mark singer catcher solid defens player club big argument lopez for brave for thi year brave two catcher demonstr solid abil call game work pitcher throw runner thi crux argument sdcn and sdcn camp agre fact that catcher defens basic nonmeasur present you can talk import call game frame pitch block ball dirt exactli catcher rank defens lopez specif reason suspect that bad defens catcher fact that brave media label bad defens catcher can doesn problem mechan such sasser rough edg block ball frame pitch good call clear that plai and practic time can repetit aaa rep major left call game aspect olsen and berryhil credit for call good game and help pitcher staff thi reput that almost veteran catcher catch aaa lopez learn major leagu pitch staff catcher learn tom glavin pitch catch tom glavin similarli wouldn suppris pitcher claim prefer pitch olsen pitch lopez us pitch olsen time will comfort lopez sinc lopez can learn handl major leagu pitcher aaa and sinc doesn glare problem mechan learn aaa that can learn major dave dave bonar mebonar lsuvax sncc lsu edu
rec.sport.baseball	pick comment articl jfr msstate edu jfr msstate edu jacki russel write psg pitt edu paul galvanek write sinc last year anoth shot pick winner and loser skip commentari pick finish due lack time for flame war kansa citi shot top divis bottom word cone thing tremend you mark anoth word offens make pick for last polici never pick buck rodger team for last florida chicago dont expans team finish not last thi year hasnt happen cub wors angel game athlet and expans senat finish ti for last colt finsh ahead cub met last royal finsh ahead white sox pilot last marin finish ahead athlet last appar expans team poor chicago team good thing nation leagu west cincinnati houston atlanta argh you dead wrong not sinc yanke and team nice setup thi year and year come brave don that star team will beat thi comparison yanke finsh and finsh and game and finish second and game even great team can lose that plai season hand pick brave john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman predict for marlin win rocki win and rocki fan will claim that offens adequ
rec.sport.baseball	jim lefebvr idiot articl apr bsu uc bjgood leo bsuvc bsu edu write want that lost respect for jim lefebvr todai cub game dishard cub fan you that bad wait dunston leadoff spot can win thi manag never believ manag had that win had lose rick
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rec.sport.baseball	rocki not rooki new cso uiuc edu dbl uxa cso uiuc edu daniel brian lake write you that expans team fill young not gui murphi galaragga smith depend you can your veteran cheap and can perform higher level your young talent can not talent develop minor give fan familiar name cheer veteran year two that renegad front offic peopl denver open question import expans club expans draft regular draft had each dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
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rec.sport.baseball	record basebal team cub record basebal back and admir steve liu admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu command chief secur divis club earth chapter presid earth chapter club found april world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit committe for liber and intergr terrifi organ and rehabilit into societi problem that abbrevi clitori polymorph episod red dwarf bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi you susanna hoff nice ass comment flanagan club creat largest signatur for past month
rec.sport.baseball	player rush major don you call rush big ben mcdonald didn time minor that ball us aaa had seam larg and gave mcdonald blister forc time learn major gregg wild thing olson and mike deserv young mussina didn spend time minor read that pitcher like that time minor that not admir steve reliv sept liu admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu command chief secur divis club earth chapter presid earth chapter club found april world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit committe for liber and intergr terrifi organ and rehabilit into societi problem that abbrevi clitori polymorph episod red dwarf bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi you susanna hoff nice ass comment flanagan club creat largest signatur for past month
rec.sport.baseball	marlin fan watch dodger marlin game yesterdai and coupl thing impress that sun shine miami had summer atmospher earli spring for basebal comparison wriglei field earli april wintri dead ivi and bundl fan second and import fan gui gal will admit footbal fan enjoi basebal interest fan accustom miami dolphin cheer thought afc playoff open dai lot feel electr that lack lot basebal fan citi basebal charg and hope two expans team bring back excit find fridai denver bronco fan respond philli opportun pass
rec.sport.baseball	homerun person will never forget mike schmidt home run expo that decid east career high anoth home run that thought total incred alc angl had boston red sox strike pennant don baylor hit two strike pitch for home run that incred turn event basebal sox pennant thing met speak met isn strang nlc that year astro almost mirror nlc philli astro painfulli close twice admit
rec.sport.baseball	florida suck thi talk philli win east scari scari don wrong philli fan late last year look helpless funni thing lot injuri spring train that basic kill chanc don forget dykstra wrist injuri second game
rec.sport.baseball	philli deja read local paper todai found that philli start season not heard talk choke job philli that season ahead cardin game that season mid august manag lose bunch and cardin divis game ahead and lost hope thi season
rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl rudyc netcom rudi netcom rudi wade write articl fmxd dal niguma dal gord niguma write refer histori didn season for second basemen histori didn even good season alomar last year you measur popular toronto doesn count that you base thi statement baerga lot flash alomar hitter last year batter slg obp rbi baerga alomar thi fascin you that alomar hitter last year and immedi follow that number show that baerga had year categori that show advantag for alomar obp
rec.sport.baseball	tiger stadium gif gif tiger stadium seat chart brian curran mead data central brian meaddata didn ask catch temperatur below ag carlton fisk chicago white sox catcher plai degre april ball game
rec.sport.baseball	philli deja articl apr cabel vcu edu csc imd cabel vcu edu ian derbi write read local paper todai found that philli start season not heard talk choke job philli that season ahead cardin game that season mid august manag lose bunch and cardin divis game ahead and lost hope thi season don shannon cardin fan kohl
rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir articl apr pt mot pt mot dave naehr write articl adob snichol adob sherri nichol write singl piec evid can find point major leagu basebal offens defens run score import run prevent thi pass common sens test for statist evid percent defens pitch and percent field btw sherri for data find fascin run score import run prevent penni save penni earn clich point that brave starter live potenti won offens support realiz thi big thi staff leav bosox dust legitim comparison two young winner and pitcher that team leagu kill second starter that qualiti pitcher mound team score run team that score run win thi put team pitch advantag provid can stop oppos team score run low score game benefit brave low score game due excel pitch and below averag hit flip side you had start lineup great offens player argu that thi team not great pitcher advantag simpli outscor oppon name game win even rai knight that you thi put run scoreboard that you assembl qualiti pitcher brave offens doesn strong sam dave sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.baseball	tiger woof woof david shapiro peopl can call monkei felt shapiro david yale edu had piano back winter long shapiro minerva ci yale edu piano back trombon will stan belinda
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rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question articl apr vmsb csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb csupomona edu write todai cub activ mike harkei move make room for harkei delino deshield john wetteland expo for can give info ken cal poli pomona wetteland effect march that rick
rec.sport.baseball	tiger articl apr sbc sunysb edu wynblatt sbgrad sunysb edu michael wynblatt write weird thing lead into top ninth sparki us ac closer henneman tiger reliev and rest sparki trust that want henneman work tiger had dai dai and dai jim
rec.sport.baseball	philli sign mark davi that mean pai salari didn wait for clear waiver not not davi will paid club thi year phil responsb for didn wait for clear waiver club interest gambl will royal fan skeptic pitch winter ball pitch omaha didn pitch even accept major don atlanta stat not impress year save san diego pitch aw year won young for that year
rec.sport.baseball	florida suck articl apr cabel vcu edu csc imd cabel vcu edu ian derbi write thi talk philli win east scari scari don wrong philli fan late last year look helpless funni thing lot injuri spring train that basic kill chanc don forget dykstra wrist injuri second game game bat
rec.sport.baseball	player rush major articl tss hanson tss hanson loo write didn bob horner straight arizona state univ atlanta brave rememb had great month hit dinger and heard japan month short career compar expect for such highli tout prospect due injuri prone overweight and work ethic not suffer rush big len reed holo softwar inc voic ext domain lbr holo atl usa lbr holo
rec.sport.baseball	sid fernandez read thi morn that sid fernandez left last night game stiff shoulder inform extent injuri weather cold air colorado joint stiff for rai miller disclaim cub chopin jpl nasa gov opinion strictli onc spent year philadelphia sundai wcfield
rec.sport.baseball	yankk game closer articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton ralph timmerman write freenet carleton ralph timmerman subject yankk game closer date tue apr gmt previou articl ax acadiau jason walter work yanke game closer east pennant clobber cleveland fine pitch perform kei and two homerun tartabul basebal thi season and run homer noke for you didn pick bogg your pool tough break had coupl hit and drove coupl run follow yank beat and come team youngster indian yanke win game divis yank mattingli for glove and mvp and abbot for young jason that mean read thi drivel anoth time thi season spare and check you fact you post ralph timmerman life basebal freenet carleton you read ralph plai traffic nap work for kevin kerr kkerr mkcase dseg presid north texa programm user group bb yanke dolphin stroll cyberspac snif electr wind
rec.sport.baseball	make awar that win west atlanta brave not lead wire wire game houston astro percentag point ahead unbeat brave astro byron lee nativ texan stuck utah
rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for thu apr mlb stand and score for thursdai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road houston astro won atlanta brave lost san francisco giant lost lo angel dodger lost colorado rocki lost san diego padr lost cincinnati red lost nation east philadelphia philli won pittsburgh pirat won loui cardin won york met won chicago cub won montreal expo lost florida marlin won american west won lost pct last streak home road texa ranger lost california angel won oakland athlet lost seattl marin won chicago white sox won minnesota twin lost kansa citi royal lost american east boston red sox won york yanke won toronto blue jai lost detroit tiger won cleveland indian lost milwauke brewer lost baltimor oriol won yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu houston baltimor montreal texa pittsburgh seattl san diego toronto chicago cleveland atlanta boston cincinnati california philadelphia milwauke york kansa citi colorado york florida minnesota ppd san francisco chicago rain loui detroit idl lo angel oakland idl joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
rec.sport.baseball	boog powel camden yard articl apr alchemi chem utoronto mark balboni thi border blasphemi bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	articl apr new yale edu sean garrison articl rvesterm vma edu rvesterm vma edu wrote pitcher like game that not promot pitcher duel bob vesterman basi you make thi statement sean you pitcher pinch hit for not pitcher crank will stai game crank not pitcher duel and team extra run bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	ugliest swing articl oasi navi mil kiviat oasi navi mil brian kiviat hotdogish lean plate watch pitch etc thi not pitch make thi ball lean you call ball thi unbias opinion your mileag will vari rickei agreat player watch you forget time lot batter lean pitch come rickei crouch exagger that great player watch you forget unbias hmmm bob vesterman
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rec.sport.baseball	torr worst manag joe torr worst manag basebal for didn sundai game hander pitch decid bench lankform left hand hitter and plai jordan and gilkei hander ninth in base load and two out put lankford hitter power pinch runner and lui alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell think earlier game interview acquir mark whiten comment fortun cardin whiten and that whiten regular even thi meant that gilkei hurt torr like gilkei come bench gilkei hit last year start gui start team leagu sundai game lankford thrown plate replai show bucki dent base coach line and wave lankford home can thi anymor brian distress cardin fan brian landmann georgia institut technolog internet prism gatech edu
rec.sport.baseball	brien taylor last year brein taylor ball tampa florida state leagu began thi year albani hopefulli georg won rush and allow progress rate aaa and bronx thi gui real thing jonathan alboum uva
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rec.sport.baseball	oriol philli red sox can send ticket order inform for team baltimor philadelphia and boston you home schedul can you date for home game juli aug and aug sept and game promot night special discount night ron and oppon for game not repli thi account repli ronc vnet ibm ibm canada lab databas technolog associ develop analyst astelletto tie line intern mail tor
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smith made rotat mercker and bielecki wasn releas end year won comment bullpen jeff reardon blauser win start shortstop job outright end bream and klesko nice hit honeymoon gregg jefferi platoon hunter mitchel win center field job bit star break and nixon stai valuabl pinch runner lonni releas brave find taker trade blauser wrong bream and mitchel bit earli lonni bielecki didn pick sander manag fire thi year chronolog order fregosi showalt valentin riddoch showalt and like stick mattel auto trol mattel auto trol tue mar bond get trade buc for young talent nope won divis and for shot playoff met win divis didn finish last atlanta repeat west that yanke surpris finish second toronto nope dwight gooden win surpass saberhagen win guess thi you pick met win huh roger clemen injur earli season tsk tsk not nice predict thi strawberri fail hit even home run and injur due dodger drop race you that and respons tedward tue mar hmph can you met fan you mind make counter predict follow met come 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bigger lead that oriol will not plai basebal for rest season you win king cogsci ucsd edu thu nov articl nov cornel edu you write indian and season predict cleveland indian will win game year you stvja meteor wisc edu fri sep jose rijo will win young award healthi thought steal base risk such injuri had didn win young maddux surpris oriol will win game year last and pitch staff will team era year not necessarili year win thi will long time verifi don want wait that long won game last year and leagu era not bad start ben mcdonald will not challeng for era titl year will victori year challeng mean finish leader leader season doesn count will never pitcher hype decent starter wasn bad last year consist ac thi year philli will give fewer walk rid bullpen coach ryan not predict whether will rid and you will give team bit time adjust radic chang fine pitch staff steal rai miller pittsburg white sox problem not bad honestli can rid total last year ricki jordan will rbi start game hit spot 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rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir sbp acad drake edu articl adob snichol adob sherri nichol write singl piec evid can find point major leagu basebal offens defens run score import run prevent run score import run prevent penni save penni earn clich not clich and unlik your comment below not tautolog needn true pitcher basebal essenti qualiti varianc pitch abil smaller varianc bat abil score run import prevent simpli abil activ prevent run weaker point that brave starter live potenti won offens support that your point you you fact pitch and defens win championship and pitch essenc basebal you claim your point and true that qualiti pitcher mound team score run team that score run win and you accus sherri mouth clich thi put team pitch advantag provid can stop oppos team score run low score game benefit brave not clear that thi true high score game team offens win high percentag time low score game split essenti team abil low score game due excel pitch and below averag hit flip side you had start lineup great offens player argu that thi team not great pitcher thought you pitch and defens win championship and pitch essenc basebal david tate dtate pitt edu sir bat not quick member iie orsa tim sabr hand not soft ey not discern and denver call you slugger big catullu galarraga and compar you mattingli
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rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question articl msu osc montana edu alird msu osc montana edu write articl apr vmsb csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb csupomona edu write todai cub activ mike harkei move make room for harkei delino deshield john wetteland expo for can give info ken cal poli pomona wetteland effect march that rick wetteland come april and will evalu throw and pain side deshield not suffer chicken pox and lost thi offici total pound will back hopefulli week walker will back thi tonight tomorrow corelmark montreal
rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question make room for harkei cub shawn boski aaa
rec.sport.baseball	astro back articl hhwv cvk austin ibm marc yogi austin ibm marc stephenson write keep line pessimist net hold astro back contend that count atlanta encount unforeseen problem such injuri keep earli season abysm hit atlanta undisput start rotat feel that relief staff suspect don real closer mike stanton save us that role didn stanton start great last year and falter despit thi your point atlanta doesn person team destruct for houston atlanta suffer injuri start rotat astro relief corp hold togeth doug jone changeup effect and xavier hernandez can effect passabl reason left hand and middl relief iffi tom eden expect joe boever setup man role injur and expans team acquisit houston thought that boever demand monei doug jone can lose touch cleveland star closer minor pretti short span understand boever and murphi consid expend club houston felt that posit fill number player art doug jone kei houston success anoth great year for houston challeng west lousei spring closer minor pretti short span strong rotat will pressur troubl bullpen bit shaki starter slot that basic normal taubense anthoni gonzalez and cedeno fulfil hit potenti anthoni appear taubense swing lot thi year solid knock expo last night gonzalez show earli power and cedeno loopiest swing thi side tim wallach unsuspect strength lower part order save club biggio and finlei aren job get base fill role rbi man bagwel had assum biggio and finlei job biggio concern sinc start season strong side note you concern rumor year uniform talk that road uniform will blech tradit grei word houston written across chest not mistaken home uniform total elimin color orang shiver mclane favorit color red upset current unform dull and sound horribl uniform mid return not pretti houston had establish long precid wear ugliest uniform basebal and like end bargain rememb two year ago relief long win game doubt project win astro fan sinc dai staub morgan jackson aspromont dierker marc stephenson ibm aw advanc workstat system austin disclaim content thi post independ offici ibm posit internet marc austin ibm vnet marc ausvmq ibm astro fan sinc dai ryan scott smith cruz davi bass hatcher david schwam univers houston jetson edu
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rec.sport.baseball	score articl qplh agat berkelei edu jtchern ocf berkelei edu joseph hernandez write articl innfjg senat bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr new yale edu sean garrison write stuff upat in score delet that exact time messag even result game not hernandez post daili stand and result dai suppos that compliment put wonder meant compliment thi servic entir basebal world usenet for east coast can final score for west coast game newspap late newscast thi help fan countri receiv weekli score updat week request for thi kind servic previous bb pai new servic mine free charg and copyright restrict not critic your servic fact encourag us don person us and that point post for individu duplic hoc fashion you organ you want send updat and score set privat mail list and us that rememb post final score and updat stand onc dai rec sport basebal newsgroup that privat mail peopl mail list that branch into mail list for and list grow averag peopl dai person such great idea not that good work joseph charl
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rec.sport.baseball	mel hall heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven doug dolven warp montana edu gdd trex osc montana edu
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rec.sport.baseball	mel hall warp montana edu write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven japan
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven doug dolven warp montana edu gdd trex osc montana edu mel hall sign japanes team mike mike columbia edu
rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir articl murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker write articl blue ci pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven write separ offens into bat and baserun split and give baserun credit that even give team roberto alomar and team john olerud ident bat stat wouldn that unreason and even you don roberto steal singl base score lot olerud offens gordon wouldn give baserun that effect clear effect olerud hit doubl runner will score alomar leg extra base hit gap runner hold olerud doubl advanc alomar alomar like score hit doubl anoth reason not give extra baserun that run creat formula work for fast and slow team team ran team had faster player current run creat formula work for team bill jame senat exampl us harmon killebrew regularli pinch runner and stole base time caught steal score slightli run predict run creat david grabin grabin zariski harvard edu number you dial imaginari rotat your phone degre and disclaim speak for and speak for
rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl mssc gqe netcom mss netcom mark singer write kingman fan thought point that player histori game joe carter eddi murrai mccovei and gehrig ruth mai foxx and dawson two each johnni mize had six game current record bob holt rjh allegra att
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rec.sport.baseball	score articl qplh agat berkelei edu jtchern ocf berkelei edu joseph hernandez wrote peopl usenet don want post rec sport basebal daili basi respons overwhelm post won anymor for your time joseph hernandez hernandez apolog for misunderstand explain that that essenti for fan score for cannot problem you post score game complet earlier don necess post score middl game come practic sean
rec.sport.baseball	time player articl apr lehigh edu jsr lehigh edu john stephen randolph write articl apr bsu uc mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu write recent work project determin greatest player respect postion sourc total basebal jame histor abstract ballplay biographi word mouth and bias opinion feel free comment suggest flame object statist data not inlcud for time convienc sake judg rel adj op total averag field rang run total player rate total basebal stolen base for curios sake tpr and year plai mvp mike schmidt matthew eddi mathew georg brett wade bogg ron santo brook robinson frank baker darrel evan pie traynor rai dandridg can brook ahead ron santo small advantag field abil come make for larg differ hit averag season combin averag per game year rbi avg obp slg op santo robinson field per game year pct santo robinson even robinson extra putout assist and dp mean respons for out field that doesn make for extra out made plate not mention fewer total base differ op decreas account for wriglei differ consider thorn palmer rate adjust adjust stolen field total product bat run base run run rate santo robinson usual disclaim appli shouldn mark thi comparison field percentag carnei lansford time dead last time sinc thi total rate compar player leagu averag replac level robinson award extra for plai game had great career prefer santo year replac level bman knock traynor list and replac stan hack that similar stori hack hit outweigh traynor superior field graig nettl and buddi bell choic imho recent net discuss support thi point view andr dawson shouldn that field bob holt rjh allegra att
rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir grabin math harvard edu david grabin write articl murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker write articl blue ci pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven write separ offens into bat and baserun split and give baserun credit that even give team roberto alomar and team john olerud ident bat stat wouldn that unreason and even you don roberto steal singl base score lot olerud offens gordon wouldn give baserun that meant comment thi time baserun that import run creat wouldn accur run creat accur team level and lot baserun that account for remain percent greg
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rec.sport.baseball	predict laugh steve novak write edward ted fischer write robert hite write dead wrong last time check jim fregosi manag philli and quit fine job you record basebal asshol confus didn flame you and you extend courtesi your problem hite post wasn flame correct your error that last steve novak sinc read entir origin post hite fischer restrain hite hope never make similar tini mistak steve novak ban bomb ban pope steven advtech uswest
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven mel aliv and and plai japan yank ask for monei and thought that barri bond make hall obsolet oopsi neill replac mel man outta vladimir alan scene real geniu val kilmer pick gorgeou blond val can for you point you you blond can you hammer six inch spike board your peni val not blond girl gotta standard walk
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri todai april jack morri lost start jai and injur dave stuart thi credit rest pitch staff jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had
rec.sport.baseball	dodger straight pirat articl qqob innqev mizar usc edu pcaster mizar usc edu dodger write davi and strawberri attribut turn around reggi smith dodger bat coach flew florida dai ago and gave pep talk and instruct davi yesterdai and had coupl hit todai strawberri had two hit yesterdai and had two todai two home run foolish and thought had fact that hit wakefield had kncukl ball that dai and otto stuff reggi gave pep talk and instruct rest lineup suddenli aliv two game beastmast mark singer mss netcom
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rec.sport.baseball	doug robert ken hill for mvp spo
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write articl apr husc harvard edu fry zariski harvard edu david fry write onc jeopardi categori jewish sport hero not answer thi pitcher had hitter dodger contest hank aaron alex trebek don hank aaron pitcher jewish name roger that rememb hank greenberg
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen japan plai basebal tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
rec.sport.baseball	sandberg run rbi note jai indian seri articl jqby new rich bnr bratt crchh nosubdomain nodomain john bratt write rbi and run score two import offens statist you can talk obp and slg you want fact remain team that score run win game flame john bratt you ask for guess that doesn bode for cub doug robert will trade frank bolick for bag us basebal expo
rec.sport.baseball	and america team kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub guess america love underdog year matter cub talent predict never close never win year lose mount america fallen love perenni loser cub fan chicago team worldwid cub fan worldwid team divis combin aura excit surround cub begin season includ champ that etern hope thi year talent good start pitch hit strong point time that inevit that cub will eventu win god sinc long come time anoth year final win and start win consist cub will remain america lovabl underdog cub america team orin bradlei defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub root for cub feel for basic dog pirat todai great exampl underdog rocki and marlin compet will underdog north star trip stanlei cup final good exampl underdog journei cub good team thi year and plai weak divis america team jester disguis chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart quick judg quick anger slow understand ignor and prejudic and fear walk hand hand
rec.sport.baseball	tiger pound marin pali footbal basebal detroit saturdai school peopl footbal two game thi week tiger score run offens can carri hope pitch will hold camden yard yesterdai everytim look score get higher great site tiger kick butt enjoi game camden yard tiger and toni phillip
rec.sport.baseball	scott erickson scoop scot erickson long for
rec.sport.baseball	and america team cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win team record todai frank viola and rest pitcher staff boston red sox shutout chicago white sox red sox win thi season red sox won game roger and frank pitch and starter pitch tomorrow dopson will pitch good start and rocki second start that bosox can plai ball roger and frank
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player dave kingman jewish bob comarow eisner decu org
rec.sport.baseball	and america team previou articl steinman utoronto david steinman cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave met and good exampl red you that expect sweep peopl didn even win game alon win seri prove wrong didn for thi year ignor record had rocki start and that noth colorado rise hunt for red octob continu due respect wlw bye michelson spring olymp champion road ralli leg race rope pull snarf penni war banner spirit cheer michelson menac ride don you love that intens nationalist feel resid hall
rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri articl hpcv andi bgsu edu klopfen andi bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein write cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write guess line obp slg love alomar fan left rbi thi list give break delai interest fair stat elia obp slg rbi rni out alomar baerga that baerga larg advantag rbi run bat rni runner not driven and out john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spread read bet spread for basebal tend mean not run david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	rocki relief onc rocki bullpen fell apart andi ashbi pitch six somewhat shaki in give run game dread relief picther combin give run each in and blew save opportun final expo despit problem pen rocki team that wont lightli into todai game had leagu lead hitter and rbi man galarraga two leader stolen base young and cole and increasingli strong start pitch david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	rocki relief articl apr colorado edu davewood bruno colorado edu david rex wood write shaki in give run game dread relief picther combin give run each in lightli into todai game had leagu lead geez can type david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spread articl apr colorado edu davewood bruno colorado edu david rex wood write read bet spread for basebal tend mean not run that spread mean you bet underdog win favorit win charl
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win team record articl jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck write todai frank viola and rest pitcher staff boston red sox shutout chicago white sox red sox win thi season red sox won game roger and frank pitch and starter pitch tomorrow dopson will pitch good start and rocki second start that bosox can plai ball roger and frank long yanke divis red sox will plai basebal red sox can hire east german swim coach train fine art bodi build red sox can us chines women swimmer refer hawk red sox chanc for east thi year bring class work ethic and leadership park each dai and burn desir plai world seri futur hall famer andr dawson will kick butt boston rocki countri anthoni jivoin nation center for atmospher research rsf atd box boulder
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri previou articl tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer articl cinnpel skeena uc ubc stloui unixg ubc phill loui write jack morri start playoff start era start luck era lucki win last year had era team that score lot run happi pitch era suffer total callaps bad pitcher prone thi total collaps good pitcher closer chasm mediocr smallest push and complet lose grip good can collaps somewhat come back year burleigh grime win and era and era pitch for year carlton won and lost year record sourc bill jame histor basebal abstract and not forget john tudor start and finish had pretti bad era you busch stadium into account start season gave earli run game and stronger game give run last stai game and get win pitch in yup us dig hole togeth and stick run support eventu thi year hasn togeth recal had era half and era half last year hmmm run in suppos start game and wind in pitch run game in era end year total thi hard come back jack finish time retir releas not return form last year million contract aw lot eat hunch that morri gutsi and that pitch injuri and not tell guess that will banish bullpen remaind season start perhap stewart come will danni cox scoreless in tribe todai start for morri good gaston scrambl find starter imagin luckili jai good offens don dare releas end year replac stewart cox doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
rec.sport.baseball	red snap game lose streak redreport kevin mitchel sacrific fly eighth brett saberhagen plate pitch runner cesar hernandez give red come victori york hernandez ran for pinch hitter cecil espi in start solid singl move second bob kelli infield sneaker base line and jeff branson bunt rare show excel execut recent hapless red offens cincinnati trail starter tim pugh blink had hit in fourth in lead doubl vinc coleman coleman left strand bobbi bonilla joe orselak pop short orselak pinch hit for eddi murrai argu plate umpir kellogg insid strike draw line that murrai and manag jeff torborg end get toss met start howard johnson pitch homer pugh slightli shaken pop pitch jeff kent singl ryan thompson liner left surpris misplai mitchel and turn into rbi tripl catcher hundlei grounder drawn branson fail bring thompson plai game occur saberhagen due red pitch coach larri rothschild met infield discuss possibl suicid squeez call perfectli thompson hung dry pugh pitch pitch and threat end isn nation leagu great red pick run seventh knot game barri larkin ground mitchel chri sabo and randi milligan back back back singl score mitchel reggi sander plate sabo long fly center doubl oliv score runner dan wilson base coach dave bristol threw stop sign late wilson hung dry kill red ralli rob dibbl ninth and pitch shakili two out and runner second bonilla plate and sundai game late august last year bonilla run dinger slap loss dibbl and spell begin end for cinci season bonilla end walk and hojo fli left give red win week and earn dibbl save opportun win steve foster ego boost two perfect in work strike saberhagen loss bit surpris even pitch eighth red worst team basebal royal victori todai met line york met coleman fernandez murrai orselak bonilla johnson kent thompson hundlei saberhagen total johnson pugh lead pitch thompson pugh rbi pick coleman pugh fourth strand rbi johnson thompson cincinnati red kelli branson larkin mitchel dibbl sabo milligan wilson sander oliv pugh robert foster espi hernandez total oliv strand seventh doubl wilson run oliv saberhagen runner strand rbi milligan sander and mitchel sac branson sander and mitchel ibb larkin gdp larkin york cincinnati pitch york saberhagen cincinnati pugh foster dibbl wilson eject murrai torborg ump kellogg relliford rung demuth attend come red travel pittsburgh for continu into chicago for game tuesdai expect pitch belcher tomlin rstimet
rec.sport.baseball	dimension team royal final run total previou articl sweda css itd umich edu sean sweda thi for quit time absent net for figur stick neck bit royal will set record for fewest run score team sinc incept rule idea thi will fall easili short run that for damn can media fool pick win divis tom gage detroit new claim herk robinson kind geniu for trade aquisit made you thing dodger true cone good drysdal and koufax team win home run leader had bad total lot low score game etc and didn us reliev jeff montgomeri super season for that pick superb pitch team can win hit chanc that team tremend hit pitch you peopl team johnson koufax prime seaver carlton and young real order starter sutter finger and lyle bullpen puni offens assum good defens mazeroski maranvil etc team poor pitch offens cobb carew ruth gehrig mai schmidt wagner and bench you pick order postul that pitch game season end even hitter can succe time year great pitcher can throw lot shutout take player prime throw shutout year and offens run across stratomat plug such time team into regular season plai and report result love that doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
rec.sport.baseball	earli bbddd return articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu adam levin write curiou start standout earli season ddd thi year concern fan ddd hope produc updat ddd thi week send info signific longest critic etc home run that you thi season vinc
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub orin bradlei jester disguis survei that show that america favorit team damn yanke for underdog love obbasebal trivia cardin seri yank lose record spring train game not count shannon
rec.sport.baseball	montreal question posit mike lans plai cannot find anywher keith mullin ooo ooo internet plymouth take big man cry mullin plymouth edu
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game henneman close watch boston toronto and baltimor motor citi kitti back
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rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl gui utoronto steinman utoronto david steinman write cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game player quit win manageri talent blue jai david david shapiro peopl can call monkei felt shapiro david yale edu had piano back winter long shapiro minerva ci yale edu piano back trombon will stan belinda
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rec.sport.baseball	montreal question articl apr plymouth edu mullin plymouth edu mulli write posit mike lans plai cannot find anywher plai deshield shift delino back and todai plai for cold wil cordero natur posit middl infield will seemingli find spot for himm long bat hot tiernei
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger david vergolini write roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game yeah tiger can score run game read thi woof correctli midseason slump pull thi team content yogi david dwarner journal indiana edu blue riddl product rap art come tape thi time for real mail for
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game henneman close watch boston toronto and baltimor motor citi kitti back nice woof meow and tigger fun excit team that pai last year thi year offens essenti and pitch essenti you will suddenli improv win game will requir win east chang that don rememb win worth stand win charl
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira write howard wong mindlink howard wong write jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had jack lost edg year ago and had averag year last prove that good lucki you can count good tomorrow lucki prone bad start and bad finish last year enjoi last run morri sign viola cheer valentin hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger damn morri and hall fame futur toronto easili made sign and don boston will win thi year won even top divis shawn
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl new cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl don you can call team tom seaver jerri koosman and nolan ryan pitch staff team that talent come improv forseeabl greg
rec.sport.baseball	and america team qsk dck usenet in cwru edu jdl cwru edu justin low write previou articl steinman utoronto david steinman cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave met and good exampl red you that expect sweep peopl didn even win game alon win seri peopl silli team that get world seri can win world seri and expect sweep crazi you put team basebal seri worst team basebal worst team win game time and win seri odd greg
rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon simmon total idiot zane smith learn switchpitch and return zane smith pitch hand moeller pitch simmon readi told you otto had impress win last week otto latest debacl restor simmon reput back form had highest era starter sake not ted sake hope pitch era for rest season yeah tomlin and merc bit disappoint decent consider amount talent and matur shown season bit wors tomlin almost unhitt rooki year lefti batter merc had good oba rooki year show lot concentr plate rooki year walk lose end tonight that walk desrv contract leyland accept part blame for lavallier situat can understand and manag fear lose tom princ waiver even us aright hander slaught not smart platoon blame leyland thi case sinc hcurrent convinc that lavallier give time last year regular season and playoff slaught plai game good averag hand pitch didn leyland and simmon forse thi last year and attempt trade lavallier last year fool lavallier wasn fit last year denni moeller scari candeleria not such high era end season will rang million come customari home run give stage patterson for week patterson serv pirat each year pitch for ranger pirat spent monei patterson stead rooki batter young surpris bit instant impact that excel perform hasn surpris doughti for that rooki pitcher wors expect cook slaught come wasn contract extens last year increas immens lonni smith eric davi sign for compar amount eric can hit can run can field didnt pirat eric davi injur davi healthi lonni smith even lonnni smith get big hit thi year won asset look terribl base and field manag big big sauer make forc agreement favor revenu share concern pleas that idiot danforth prepar team for move tampa bai alex cole fiasco pirat infield and posit good and look good cole replac two outfield eric davi van slyke and cole made respect outfield even eric davi thye pirat respect outfield cole svan slyke and merc hit left hand left stead switch hit simmon option for outfield iron biggest accomplish simmon tenur get alex cole cheap bad compensatori draft pick for bond forget pirat can rant and rave will not pick issu appeal thi doesnt convinc that simmon and sauer idiot noth will final note tim wakefield won aw last start don count pitch last year for rest season pirat content rthe end season will miss redu clutch hit and speed peak second half last season pravin ratnam
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rec.sport.baseball	militello updat hei you yanke fan knock predict baltimor you flood mailbox cri militello good militello good notic skip that strong out not chanc columbu don you reli thi gui fourth not fourth starter thi brittl pitch staff for earli ballyard brave chop chop michael mule michael andr mule georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism internet prism gatech edu
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira write howard wong mindlink howard wong write jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had jack lost edg year ago and had averag year last prove that good lucki you can count good tomorrow lucki prone bad start and bad finish last year enjoi last run morri sign viola hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger oooooo cheap shot damn morri and hall fame futur care had two toronto and jai had sign viola morri frank won and ring and thi year toronto easili made sign your logic curiou and spuriou reason that viola wouldn won game had sign toronto you compar stupid record compar team offens averag morri viola sweepstak year basic hindsight plenti reason appar that viola pitcher base previou recent year and base ag frank almost year younger knew that peopl caught world seri and morri win last year win stupidest mislead statist basebal wors rbi that won mean that jai lot run valid retort valentin weren red sox morri viola choic expect and don boston will win thi year won even top divis thi true won for lack contribut viola care charl
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rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon articl sfovx mium andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam andrew cmu edu write simmon total idiot leyland accept part blame for lavallier situat can understand and manag fear lose tom princ waiver even us aright hander slaught not smart platoon blame leyland thi case sinc hcurrent convinc that lavallier give time last year regular season and playoff slaught plai game good averag hand pitch didn leyland and simmon forse thi last year and attempt trade lavallier last year fool lavallier wasn fit last year thi biggest load bunk pirat trade lavallier for time even vagu interest team had made that grab princ option lavallier releas had noth releas event injuri slaught lavallier longer capabl everydai catcher sinc slaught good righti lefti offens improv thi move tobi
rec.sport.baseball	militello updat articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu michael andr mule write hei you yanke fan knock predict baltimor you flood mailbox cri militello good militello good notic skip that strong out good mussina sutcliff and mcdonald not chanc columbu bullpen steinbrenn charg don you reli thi gui fourth not fourth starter thi brittl pitch staff talent starter and evetu ac higher rank and gener prospect arthur rhode happen hei oriol starter for earli for militello earli tobi elliott
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rec.sport.baseball	bonilla articl apr organpip uug arizona edu krueger helium ga uug arizona edu theodor krueger wrote isn funni that white person call comeon nigger and get ban for year black person call faggot and consequ ted ted you miss vital point roger lustig point previou respons reason schott ban basebal had call and racial bias manner constant basi such thought affect hire practic bonilla hand found mention thi word singl time had critic homosexu stori athlet doesn hire schott had dave pallon umpir admit homosexu decid assist protest met game shea you think that bonilla suspend basebal pallon hope for year suspens opinion that downright ludicr howi rose wfan you start suspend athlet mention derogatori word even singl time condit you peopl remain plai game honestli you analyz differ two case that you bring your articl that you reconsid your thought sean bag vin sculli
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira write howard wong mindlink howard wong write jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had jack lost edg year ago and had averag year last prove that good lucki you can count good tomorrow lucki prone bad start and bad finish last year enjoi last run morri sign viola cheer valentin hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger damn morri and hall fame futur toronto easili made sign and don boston will win thi year won even top divis shawn gee never knew valentin made comment viola sign boston gonna bring world seri titl boston don valentin boston will win thi year boi talk sensit insecur toronto fan case viola made sign viola younger and left hand left hand starter toronto mike mike columbia edu
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr asd scott asd scott barman wasn ron bloomberg yanke base hit design hitter jewish idea care point that blomberg plate appear design hitter and walk design hitter not not that hit design hitter bob vesterman
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger yah damn morri and hall fame futur didn earn last game blow world seri start toronto easili made sign morri clemen don give that shit boston had alomar olerud henk and ward toronto had rivera jack clark jeff reardon thing look last fall give credit credit due thi lavish prais morri make sick and don boston will win thi year won even top divis will bet don finish sixth will bet don finish and you give odd will bet that finish ahead blue jai valentin
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rec.sport.baseball	militello updat articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu michael andr mule write hei you yanke fan knock predict baltimor game oriol won you flood mailbox cri militello good militello good will notic skip that strong out not chanc columbu don you reli thi gui fourth not fourth starter thi brittl pitch staff room for rotat kei impress april abbott pitch perez back wickman pitch into rotat and hold spot outstand perform last time and kamieniecki isn poorli yanke find starter militello will anoth chanc wait line valentin
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rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon mamatha devineni ratnam andrew cmu edu write simmon total idiot you game into season wait bit call name simmon readi told you otto had impress win last week otto latest debacl restor simmon reput back form had highest era starter sake not ted sake hope pitch era for rest season yeah expect that dave otto will bad pitcher and idea simmon want hand expect releas otto doesn turn thing pretti fast btw otto game score for that stinker point problem method sinc otto perform infinit bad and excruciatingli prolong tomlin and merc bit disappoint decent consider amount talent and matur shown season bit wors merc rooki year bit flukei aren you will give bat and tomlin start act gloomi walk lose end tonight that walk desrv contract didn walk time bomb stuff whatsoev and leagu final realiz thi won pretti rooki batter young surpris bit instant impact that excel perform hasn surpris doughti for that don fast doughti gui sign steve buechel move that threaten buri kevin young minor meanwhil not whether doughti simmon sign martin six year free agent season rooki pitcher wors expect cook twice rotat and you yike slaught come wasn contract extens last year increas immens ag basebal term half life year injuri prone catcher can longer year lonni smith eric davi sign for compar amount want dodger and felt had prove disastr don chanc for buc sign eric can hit can run can field didnt pirat eric davi injur davi healthi lonni smith wasn last year even lonnni smith get big hit thi year won asset look terribl base and field hei that skate smith packag deal acquir lonni for defens base run thi stage real weirdo manag big big sauer make forc argument favor revenu share concern pleas that idiot danforth prepar team for move tampa bai that goal team ownership don sauer get for make boss happi don hasn revenu share can comment alex cole fiasco stuff delet iron biggest accomplish simmon tenur get alex cole cheap bad that gave expans draft annoi sinc leyland push for retain jeff king unavoid meanwhil bigger accomplish simmon tenur get for john smilei not trade real prospect for veteran stretch last year draft let rooki show folei smith and candelaria acquir replac part mean that even fail hasn damag buc futur compensatori draft pick for bond forget pirat can rant and rave will not pick issu appeal thi mean that buc lost initi arbitr case never heard outcom thi will final verdict thi thi doesnt convinc that simmon and sauer idiot noth will not idiot thi case don blame doug danforth fact suspect doug danforth shown willing call shot exactli moment gun point feet btw wonder whether latest post get site imperson cum can thi drop short note jking
rec.sport.baseball	dodger question dodger shop harri team quest for left hand pitch taker person harri defens liabil and led team past year for hit into doubl plai leader sharperson show last year that chanc plai dai can job sharpi plai base dai improv defens wallach help tremend defens reed improv defens quit notic and effect pitch staff astacio and martinez bail recent start great defens plai martinez pitch into ninth game that lift past year astacio last in dai similar circumst dodger turn doubl plai and keep ball infield last year and piazza great defens thrown batter steal and pick wallach contribut improv defens offens aw and cost dodger run don bad current averag suspect will come thi slump davi and straw come dodger
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rec.sport.baseball	infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write last infield fly question that puzzl and hasn address rule not deal thi situat infield fly not caught point can runner legal leav base fear doubl for advanc earli runner can leav base time ball caught tag isn caught doesn tag feel lucki your runner second can sprint for glori ball pop isn caught score run head for aaa effect infield fly make batter therebi remov forc runner base rule appli you stand second open and ball pop tim shippert shippert cco caltech edu stick thi damn quantum jump regret that had quantum theori schroding
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rec.sport.baseball	bond maddux giant close season newspap notesgroup etc had close and person last night stick watch giant hitter struggl last year barri swing impress quick and swing effortless even compar clark clark late interest bond hit maddux not barri reveng brave stroke pretti hit for rbi giant team lot surpris thing thi year addit bond good pitch and hitter swing clayton defens superb mcgee lead thi year manwar drive ball hope continu continu into june peopl sold that for real pitch for fresh start magowan baker etc wipe lot neg last year and will real factor help significantli improv last year joe loo loo cup
rec.sport.baseball	yanke bullpen buck showalt can win bob wickman pitch game life in yank lead buck decid kid and complet game wickman manag two out fun score and sudden and wickman can buck bullpen and farr get gui face last night jimmi kei pitch anoth long string game life thi gui get in yank lead thi time buck think don want repeat that fiasco wickman give bullpen work steve how era come into game left didn good farr come two run homer and royal win thi fourth time thi year that bullpen blown lead farr how twice togeth monteleon onc and even habyan onc deal final terrif start pitch sudden bullpen turn shit buck gonna and georg gonna thi continu happen alan
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player bilinski
rec.sport.baseball	infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write last infield fly question that puzzl and hasn address rule not deal thi situat infield fly declar and ball caught runner can tag and advanc risk fly ball infield fly not caught point can runner legal leav base fear doubl for advanc earli ball hit ground fielder touch ball hit ground enlighten appreci not understand thi question rule invok batter automat thi reliev runner forc advanc base ball not caught that isn situat runner base not forc base drop fly ball that ball caught can tag and run decid stai and ball drop can left base time eric smith eric netcom eric infoserv
rec.sport.baseball	astro back articl apr rosi edu rosi edu schwam david write articl hhwv cvk austin ibm marc yogi austin ibm marc stephenson write astro relief corp hold togeth doug jone changeup effect and xavier hernandez can effect passabl reason left hand and middl relief iffi tom eden expect joe boever setup man role injur and expans team acquisit houston thought that boever demand monei doug jone can lose touch cleveland star closer minor pretti short span understand boever and murphi consid expend club houston felt that posit fill number player art doug jone kei houston success anoth great year for houston challeng west argument murphi scare hell last year hand club boever put into aw lot game led leagu appear point viabl setup gui guess that not consid that crucial club can rememb two year ago unsuspect strength lower part order save club biggio and finlei aren job get base fill role rbi man bagwel had assum biggio and finlei job biggio concern sinc start season strong not that concern gui rel consist year and good reason declin injuri not expect come fine gui that not consist good that worrisom part even come side note you concern rumor year uniform talk that road uniform will blech tradit grei word houston written across chest not mistaken home uniform total elimin color orang shiver mclane favorit color red thi sound road uni pretti dull button pullov check uniform book had orang upset current unform dull and sound horribl uniform mid return not pretti houston had establish long precid wear ugliest uniform basebal and like astro pullov shirt astro stripe across shoulder and troubl make wear public can want that chang gee elimin orang will reupholst seat astro stripe section us gold and yellow level don number us pinstrip version astro cap and thought look good marc stephenson ibm aw advanc workstat system austin disclaim content thi post independ offici ibm posit internet marc austin ibm vnet marc ausvmq ibm
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rec.sport.baseball	ind sourc pick baerga alomar case close articl andi bgsu edu klopfen andi bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein write fester island mike fester write you make good for equal rate baerga higher final object sourc alomar great player baerga nice object sourc cite dad bigger your dad post you thi fuck idea that prefer alomar baerga jai lover and indian hater you that wrong hate jai and don care indian object alomar had offens year last year pick you admit reliabl object sourc you will note that rate alomar offens player chose baerga alomar defens that joke alomar not gold glover wors baerga defens valentin
rec.sport.baseball	defens averag base articl srgenprp craig srgenprp craig stelter write gaetti gari apolog don talk twin fan good player park not rememb complet not gaetti plai twin for world seri and note that lowest last two plai angel lot factor make player excel hate us dome not ideal nice comfort enjoi basebal and footbal even snow and rain craig compani for work not opinion that event that had impact gaetti career leg injuri perform drop radic twin and you stat offens and defens never come back pre injuri level brendan
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rec.sport.baseball	articl dxqp hoo new rich bnr bratt crchh nosubdomain nodomain john bratt write game length don thi valid statement not game last lot longer make sutcliff fisk ect factor into account russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
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rec.sport.baseball	astro for real articl austin ibm marc yogi austin ibm marc stephenson write articl apr ccsvax sfasu edu millerwl ccsvax sfasu edu write think astro place place road agre lumberjack that place san diego lo angel san francisco cincinnati denver atlanta miami philadelphia york montreal pittsburgh chicago loui and point home face philli team that start not us overli enthusiast houston fan shouldn discourag hang lumberjack ahold that shift kei will obbas appar owner drayton mclain doesn excus item paper austin american statesman you read that wouldn injuri excus for lose that possibl account for don want owner that edg never that feel honest citi houston love owner brought basebal back houston kei acquisit player that houston area and want plai for astro don that peopl fear that mclane will meddl team admit that doesn lot basebal mclane businessman and doesn excus make valid point that injuri shouldn excus thi club depth bench thi season canadel can plai posit bass and jame solid outfield and can hit urib nice pitch staff legitim starter deal young houston team injuri shouldn plai big role threat bullpen jonesi troubl type starter thi season pressur pen david schwam univers houston jetson edu
rec.sport.baseball	homerun dswartz osf org dan swartzendrub write articl hpcc corp boell hpcc corp donald boell write impress hr dave kingman and infam moon raker drive rememb hit circa wriglei field that across street dead center field and hit hous roof whif lot connect watch favorit barri foot homer that bounc waveland and second floor window across street second kong drive that last bounc street that dead end park waveland mike timlin timlin spot colorado edu
rec.sport.baseball	surfeit offens articl innph jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo iglesia write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write last year american leagu score run game for total run per game game tuesdai run game for total run per game and total game run per game and game big question signific thi return thi minor abber thought thought offens gener april rise weather warm and pitcher tire thi bigger abber norm don feel that weather issu thi year doesn cold spell north america make harder hit not mention make ball carri you not watch twin chicago cold spell snow week minnesota inch duluth last weekend put thing earli categori yup russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
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rec.sport.baseball	sparki anderson get win tiger beat articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write tiger manag sparki anderson get career win moment ago tiger complet two game sweep oakland tiger stadium beat highlight oakland detroit game descript delet post game interview wjr radio detroit sparki anderson time emot manag career big moment for and tiger fan unanim happi for and number woof delet randi anoth post game interview larussa claim that sparki manag baseb explain that part histori sparki soften blow lose tiger tim timothi law snyder depart comput scienc reiss georgetown univers washington tim normal georgetown edu
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rec.sport.baseball	home for bosox articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write agre happi stadium that comiskei park made for basebal unlik river vet riverfront etc not footbal park plai basebal multipurpos subject not forget shea design accommod met jet stadium box seat roller orient angl for basebal parallel for footbal not rfk olim stadium built year earlier nowadai don move seat back for exhibit game base lower deck us move metal pretti noisi bat dai jet jersei and good footbal stadium met saddl multipurpos stadium circular seat almost action met announc kiner murphi hype beauti shea stadium tipoff unbeauti vastli fix back late dump roger don you jet nois
rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl apr new yale edu steve tomassi write basebal fan you don you deserv mean heck dave winfield hum consid for lee smith don give dave kingman chanc darrel evan yeah yeah hall fame take can eddi murrai and jeff reardon eddi murrai superb baseman for long time winfield produc consist for almsot year and excel occas dave kingman year darryl strawberri typic year met darrel evan lot hit homer that kong case sick and tire sick give hall fame consider player that todai standard margin you talk eddi murrai margin that year wasn margin for long time honestli ozzi smith and robin yount don belong shortstop that hung for long time big deal not smith hung for long time and field posit yount stop shortstop decad ago case you hadn notic two mvp award centerfield select huh stop hand honor liber save for gui deserv face player hall aren anywher goo gui you run isn will prestig hall fame anymor that case standard bad player hall and recent pick gener excel individu that steve garvei jack morri potenti candid absurd appar gee can gui even compar like futur hall famer kirbi puckett nolan ryan care stan musial anywher good babe ruth not belong hall gener had top major leaguer player come game will that top and pretti easi argu that smith yount evan winfield etc top dave kingman hand liabil career garvei hasn lot hof press don you mean for ryan morri that lot voter tend and morri good for decad and doesn lead mlb histori walk allow roger
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr lafibm lafayett edu lafibm lafayett edu write wonder friend and talk dai and for reason come name jewish basebal player past and present weren come for sandi koufax stankowitz and john lowenstein can come sound pretti lame rack brain thi humor for your stankiewicz doubt koufax two jewish hof hank greenberg good player buddi myer johnni kling norm and larri sherri ken holtzman saul rogovin reulbach jewish major leaguer year ago articl track thi spy magazin articl entitl jew two book subject roger
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rec.sport.baseball	home for bosox mif psuvm psu edu write heard month back that red sox get dome stadium rel that move that and citi releas fund can verifi thi game bosox fan live boston area for year talk boston garden hockei basketbal sinc live dai last hurdl overcom and dai hurdl fan grumbl foxboro stadium call thi year for long preliminari propos for stadium local polit prevent time fashion will not ballpark lifetim max logan nashua
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rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write for ryan morri that lot voter tend and morri good for decad and doesn lead mlb histori walk allow despit walk and lose ryan deserv hall fame imho base hitter strike record extra peopl andr dawson for hof name ken kubei read edit print thi text address kubei sgi express written consent disclaim usual major leagu basebal prohibit
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rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict stanlei cup champion vancouv canuck pittsburgh walk jack penguin will win cup stop not canuck predict patrick divis winner pittsburgh adam divis winner quebec montreal norri divis winner detroit smyth divis winner winnipeg wale confer champ pittsburgh campbel confer champ detroit stanlei cup champion pittsburgh canuck suck lose round compliment winnipeg and teemu selann pen almost unstopp mario lemieux
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team leader apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write implicitli you assum that goal score winnipeg selann ic can blame roger forward winnipeg lousi defens record put anoth john cullen terribl your excus for that powerplai point don count selann you compar cullen salami that that valid winnipeg such lousi defens team hell salami stand team bluelin puck end object game not feed selann win and feed selann not contribut meaning win knowledg hockei observ world agre that feed selann can score contribut meaning win excus jet plai hockei check bare allow goal score sound aw lot salami sound plai solid two game that friend finland claim capabl that wouldn chal leng for leagu lead goal plane challeng for you worri teemu you glenn anderson your team you compar timo anderson and cullen mike foligno don selann jet manag and object exercis not selann win hockei game score refer you comment finnish friend watch plai claim that can plai solid two game that thi style contribut conduc win don you selann grandstand goal suck you parad arm outstretch score goal you messiah had return nope didn busi watch foligno jump and goal don you compar foligno and honestli hadn read thi you us discrimin your think your contribut highli valu that you weren argument cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	memoriam dan kelli and danni gallivan articl burk burkemac oshag edu burk edu burk write talk hockei broadcast give moment silenc rememb loui blue great dan kelli you heard late and earli cb us hockei night canada intermiss anoth recent deceas great danni gallivan canadien agre never forget dan kelli call plai plai canada cup master and danni gallivan will never replac even watch hnic rememb voic macinni iafrat hei gui name can shoot shot point blister blast thn had tribut gallivan issu death stori includ quot game appear risebrough pugnaci constru that check and will undoubtedli make visit box punit classic vintag gallivan sore miss two and that will dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount mvp valuabl player team term point and term leadership can win biggest surpris player rose expect player that rais level game height even that level doesn necessarili warrant allstar berth includ player outset season not even team plan biggest disappoint player expect pick deni savard montreal emphasi offenc brought demer shouldn savard team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi york ranger messier kovalev bourqu ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce mention top impress sit opinion fan nearer team word anywher toronto newspap bryan
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce weren two trade for each poetic justic
rec.sport.hockey	talk stick articl odin corp sgi dptom endor corp sgi tom arnold write you hockei plai fan finat wide rang aluminum stick for time plai piec lumbar that weigh alot and break think chang aluminum shaft break blade chang problem that such wide reang model and select that not can you post your suggest and experi aluminum stick differ model you dislik and brand had and aluminum stick christian and broke shaft halfwai season two year bought anoth canadian begin season and easton that friend get rid give game find that easton blade easier brand blade pretti interchang watch for dri bit firewood that store pass blade experi blade aluminum break regular stick broken aluminum shaft aluminum stick blade quickli chang even bench you downsid shaft won break you decid impal ciao mark thi and veget rick morani shop horror mark shoesmith shoe physic watstar uwaterloo
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount team mvp surpris disappoint edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi sinc oiler didn win heck lot game not deserv and mvp can win suggest kelli buchberg dave manson had brutal year pick for star game notwithstand for biggest surpris that buchberg had higher expect thi year due breakthrough year for last year didn rais game suggest shjon podein callup cape breton year quit depth chart oiler stabl prospect made big impact team goal game and decent number for line player seemingli doom minor leagu oblivion oiler coach staff liken style john tonelli full time roster year for biggest disappoint you name player oiler dump for lousi product thi year nichol gilchrist tikkanen even shayn corson mellanbi isn andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom divis ext roman era consid
rec.sport.hockey	potvin goali mask stephen legg slegg kean uc munc write wtahc guard hockei week tsn yesterdai and had featur thi gui that lot mask for nhl goali talk made made and design that put etc thi part interest turn that mask custom fit goali face goali put face piec wood plastic hole that face and forehead show hair cover cap ey cover plastic wrap type materi and vaselin put goaltend face plaster spread cheek forehead and chin take minut dry suffici dri effect mold goali face thi us basi mask rest involv pad insid harden exterior fit cage etc etc john blue bruin demonstr procedur show exhibit coupl mask work mask for andi moog basic work current mask bear and mask for bob essensa cool jet logo chin and two fighter jet side forehead air brush back ground yeah essensa mask look good never talk held current leaf crest chin and awesom black panther forehead mask for felix potvin never thought heard that potvin for bet monei and awesom dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner ktgeiss miavx ac muohio edu write lake state main final won post main
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet chelio mvp chicago detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi manson admiss had terribl year oiler don team mvp default craig mactavish shjon podein biggest surpris tikkanen biggest disappoint hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten tinordi back mid season last year and plai mvp montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi king had great year last year york ranger messier kovalev bourqu can kovalev surpris ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund fenc sit philli record eric and doubt soderstrom biggest surpris pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr tocchet had point season philli mike bullard center shouldn that mario quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter joseph deserv mvp nod tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce gerald
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write and leaf make cream chees philadelphia side tomorrow night leaf will equal leaf team campbel confer cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian philadelphia make dust dead leaf roger you continu embarass your brash predict whitewash last place team grant philli pretti decent team cambel confer beaten last place team scott humphrei chemic engin univers tulsa hse vax utulsa edu bruin for cup opinion express individu not tulsa
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april allan ualberta allan sullivan write begin lambast don cherri that sort cherri fan for admittedli stuff lightli harmless saturdai cross line good tast don entir articl wasn perfect and shot frank musil and alpo suhonen don note that musil wasn player didn score goal last year made fun name gui name dog food laxit meta musil thi can gee don tremend amount profession cbc bad foolish let thi nonsens make fun name bad that make asinin blanket statement european player resort make fun name sound idiot last week that teemu never make rock sock video drop glove subject realign don that like divis name that even leagu for quit time doesn confer and divis name mcfly name for coupl decad invit audienc name team wale quick quick you don don don wrong thi ron don don you your show for minut can stand you thi show for thi absolut hilari don argument basketbal and basebal brawl fairli good neglect mention fine that level nba case monei never for object don question gretzki wouldn for you chang your friend that game for chang game for your friend thi like
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm jason studsi msc edu jason hanson write articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei and leaf make cream chees philadelphia side tomorrow night leaf will equal not put mildli watch flyer demolish toronto last night realiz that matter good leaf line two decent line playoff and healthi felix potvin thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei jmd cbnewsm att joseph dake write articl ppdccinnb dev null phy psu edu stimpi dev null phy psu edu articl wxnf constel ecn uoknor edu mfoster alliant backbo prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr eng cam dscy eng cam yap write smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce weren two trade for each poetic justic and even washington patti bust rework that trade minut druce complet and utter bust goal daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	hei flyer fan you notic peopl net troubl comparit easi task spell nick name fair citi never knew that philadelphia becom philli philli spoken for you don clue spell you yeah that drug induc trade rumor don snider that stupid rumor you into mike keenan come back coach flyer mike mike cornel great peopl countri todai mac cwru edu fault sane monti python flyer stanlei cup brain hurt gumbi
rec.sport.hockey	adam divis race articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu breton mcrcim mcgill edu pierr breton write adam divis race interest thi year import data mind eventu tie for stand posit head head game quebec win montreal boston lead quebec two game remain montreal and boston ti game remain pierr breton aka fluid glacial pierr for purpos tie breaker you count game each citi quebec cannot possibl ahead montreal and game that count remain boston and quebec mean boston won pete clark rsh flyer contact
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win dean
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm blackhawk triumph walter ladwig thi weather cuckoo like net link armor divis submiss drbombai netlink ct vernacular world into gambl birdhous veloc cut up
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win agre roi good kick sometim that horribl loss capit last week yeeeech cup thi year richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick shadow node gt org and you can real and you can transpar not and you can you eras
rec.sport.hockey	request for island mail list articl apr sifon mcgill bui mcgill bui don write articl xvf rpi edu wangr rpi edu write keep island mail list you add advanc ercu can add list rex count isl don bui mcgill count can you excit island beat ranger overtim last fridai isl
rec.sport.hockey	expans articl patrick apr blanco owlnet rice edu patrick blanco owlnet rice edu patrick humphrei write fri apr gmt vamwendt atla upei michael wendt albani york bois idaho coupl citi fair interest size and close team question albani ahl franchis capit district label bois forget chl made attempt that part countri franchis great fall and show folk that part pnw aren interest hockei hei patrick montana magic plai bill not great fall plh put two nhl expans team phoenix and houston assum whaler don pack and move meantim marc phoenix and houston marc foster contact for oklahoma citi blazer central hockei univers oklahoma geographi depart leagu adam cup internet mfoster geohub gcn uoknor edu champion mfoster alliant backbon uoknor edu chl mail list send email address
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli articl apr kean uc mun slegg kean uc mun write tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal report for ottawa sun april fool joke start nordiqu bruin for exampl reimburs flyer for million paid nordiqu senat lindro and million flyer equival player you includ draft choic quebec and back report had real badli and real good laugh sport media chosen public thi utter nonsens thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari can you cannot possibl true for person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick can that give such crap even remotest consider gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard racist rauser write kind unaccept racist drivel delet and that find man absolut noth richard rauser you dishonour man caustic roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu reason principl justic stand intim geograph and psycholog relat leagu give privileg plai european
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict articl apr rose jack petrilli rose jack petrilli write stuff delet don understand peopl predict upset pittsburgh team won row come into playoff won practic game that want win year includ critic victori cap and hot bruin team gaahden team peak stronger previou stanlei cup winner mean can lose larg upset person team hard press win game seri pen and not pittsburgh fan agre heard tsn tonight you want pick you don you can and bruin fan thi year will doesn good time will lot delet randi randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei articl cellar org darl cellar org thoma darl write jmd cbnewsm att joseph dake write articl ppdccinnb dev null phy psu edu stimpi dev null phy psu edu articl wxnf constel ecn uoknor edu mfoster alliant backbo prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand koz let cap
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork thi savard syndrom and talk deni not serg team will win squat like deni savard lineup slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win savard stai home and watch game agre roi good kick sometim that horribl loss capit last week yeeeech cup thi year sound cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report tht montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow philldelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal person can philli give lindro for thi idiot post gretzki trade toronto listen asshol comment heard report sport new you notic skeptic comment sheesh thought thi group wasfor convers guess wrong stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european point european nhl sick you you absolut round player european descent and ship back start dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back sheesh for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine don hard find nativ american nativ canadian for that matter disput your claim thi great contin our you anthropologist immigr sort you don that mogilni bure selann improv nhl not you understand game dan lyddi daniel cori berkelei edu univers california berkelei don plai hockei not brother deion sander
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand rectum skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn disagre nhl featur hockei talent world nation admit that player gretzki and messier trade canadian team can afford half that had canadian hockei leagu for canadian player for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want themon mine doesn matter russian finnish mexican albertan yorker black white korean martian plutoneon doesn matter can put leaf jersei can put puck stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand rectum bad joke that draw crohn mean groan crowd don bother appendix useless word advic you miami game stai food made natur case hockei hockei hockei joi joi joi stimpson kat stimpi dev null phy psu edu nagi physci psu edu nagi psu edu nagi crayola psu edu nagi love shack and yeah ggn psuvm psu edu bitnet
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner ktgeiss miavx ac muohi write lake state main final won post main lssu terri
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl euro bash articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine into european player bash french canadien yeah idea french speak canadien hockei leagu don want you crazi nhl true intern leagu and european deserv plai nhl and north american teemu for glad european nhl and hope nhl expand europ nice peopl come togeth form hockei team richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai darryl brook univers buffalo bill sabr and magic
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler lester patrick award lunch bill torrei mention that option season presid miami team bob clark work for dinner clark that worst mistak philadelphia let mike keenan retrospect almost player realiz that keenan knew win rumour circul that keenan will back flyer nick polano sick scapegoat for schedul made for red wing bryan murrai approv gerri meehan and john muckler worri sabr prospect assist don lever that sabr share quebec dynasti emerg mighti duck declar that will not throw monei loos bui team oiler coach ted green remark that gui can fill tie domi skate can fill helmet senat andrew mcbain told secur guard chicago stadium warn stair lead locker room mcbain mouth season profession and tumbl entir steep flight gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	hockei hell articl ekb noos ecn purdu edu rgemeinh separ ecn purdu edu richard gemeinhart wrote articl mar ncsu edu fmsalvat eo ncsu edu frank mich salvator write origin york state and school north carolina don constantli gripe lack hockei wouldn you chose school south realiz gripe clemson student that hockei isn quit popular south carolina you chose school you excus choos school south hockei thi import you not luxuri decid colleg make hockei coveraag you want pittsburgh transplan home and coveraag suck sport south didn even show final game stanlei cup laast year happen put ktape delai and cut intermiss air you move you good bad and deal doesn mean thaat you can complain transplant parent greater hartford area greater cleveland ohio area thi not action choic hockei coverag regularli red wing and penguin explain part follow team todai cleveland you couldn even find hockei score clock new figur that didn wasn sport your parent didn move you idaho thing that coverag footbal basketbal and basebal patti
rec.sport.hockey	european russian hockei team address address hockei team locat czech slovak republ finland russia sweden inform find address appreci aik assat bryna budejovic chelabinsk djurgarden dynamo eskulap espoo farjestad frolunda hpk hifk ilv jyp jihlava jokerit jokp kalpa khimik kladno kristal lada leksand litvinov lukko lulea malmo metallurg modo olomouc pardubic red armi rogl skoda slovan soviet wing sparta spartak tp tappara trencin tuto vantaa vastera yaroslavl zlin dee dee franc ddf sgi
rec.sport.hockey	memoriam dan kelli and danni gallivan articl apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write articl burk burkemac oshag edu burk edu burk write talk hockei broadcast give moment silenc rememb loui blue great dan kelli you heard late and earli cb us hockei night canada intermiss anoth recent deceas great danni gallivan canadien love dan kelli usa hook hockei back wasn spot top plai and wasn overli cute pipe that lusti barrel chest voic pipsqueak unlik fella rode into hockei mania coattail gretzki and boi bu final island sweep never forget night year oiler close home pandemonium smoke million sparkler long empti net goal end and dan kelli let crowd reaction stori for long second that voic bark din dave lumlei sew for edmonton sound stupid that earli for hockei memori will bring thrill sinc grown lot jade game sadden dan kelli pass good gui brian adam reno
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict articl qhinnsm senat bedfellow mit edu boudreau athena mit edu carol boudreau write smyth thi toughest for call put person bia calgari lot depend win divis winnipeg will move into end season and place winner will clear advantag will lot easier build momentum team king plai king round will divis hurt pick divis winner vancouv canuck disagre you thi vancouv will bure and continu goal score slump won even make round king will make round plai pretti even that bad game minnesota saturdai calgari lo angel win smyth confer final wale confer trophi island and bruin will fight end island steam overtak bruin campbel confer trophi walk for vancouv defin not stanlei cup final island and vancouv island will noth left thi point and will succumb fairli easili canuck stanlei cup champion vancouv canuck disagre you pittsburg hat trick stanlei cup toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good hope you enjoi predict hope not correct calgari team win pittsburg that worth messag termin carol boudreau boudreau athena mit edu
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa hockei final haven post thi will honor main beat lssu milwauke saturdai night quit game main storm lead and look run main goal insid thirti second game lssu back end period cut lead lssu second domin plai board plai quickli ref run hold bar type game lssu score unansw goal lead end second look lssu walk game coach walsh main replac start goali dunham snow won game michigan snow prove aggress goali period second belong team main score unansw goal span minut minut mark score jim montgomeri tournament mvp and assist paul kariya last minut game bear highlight chang snow prove differ end minut and lssu goali pull snow duel lssu forward amaz set move snow won great end game thi year championship game sold last year month bradlei center hold approxim dougla peterson peterson pm pm ford you safeti laboratori depart driven ford motor compani
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors that expans creat job nhl team can afford import role player europ pick star will continu build team local player number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin love european nhl divis can happen for time simpli not fan interest moment crucial market germani itali and franc sweden and finland can afford shell for ticket american canadian fan call minnesota north star effect scandinavian love hockei prefer watch local inexpens hockei nhl nation hockei leagu love idea pan european channel such eurosport bring million american network like never will pai don want mine richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund fenc sit philli record eric and doubt soderstrom biggest surpris eric true fortun didn find recchi for game soderstrom absolut shutout game for rooki lot defens front runnerup gallei and fedyk score ton career gallei think paul coffei put score ahead defend and fedyk tail big time eklund big question mark thi year and come injuri point game not bad and recent huge factor win eklund never had point game season career product typic for qualifi disappoint surpris choic roussel strictli expect player never thought that had take goali biggest disappoint bill dineen thought that perfect coach for thi young team made bad move and imho cost game playoff thi year coach that think put eric lindro point power plai bright idea back coach school pete clark rsh flyer contact and mail list owner
rec.sport.hockey	flyer note flyer team that can beat team night show spectrum sundai night and domin mapl leaf rout shutout tommi soderstrom will credit for shutout bare broke sweat period flyer defens leaf mount attack injuri pell eklund dai dai bruis thigh roster move jason bowen ad lineup for nhl game jason flyer second pick round entri draft year lb game tri citi american had goal assist and pim plai left wing and defens plai defens thi game bobbi taylor that bill dineen plan us front andr faust return hershei left second period king game flew albani game ty goal bear win and plai for hershei sundai night line fedyk lindro recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroi acton brown gallei mcgill yushkevich cronin carkner hawgood bowen tommi soderstrom goal acton replac lomakin period game summari flyer plai thi night playoff thi year flyer hit that move creat score chanc score chanc snuf that leaf jason bowen made good plai nhl shift that almost creat goal had puck top left offens circl alon take shot found brind amour crash net side perfect pass and good shot across daren puppa bodi goal puppa made great save read plai garri gallei gave mapl leaf rank power plai chanc hook doug gilmour flyer lowli rank penalti kill unit almost flawless entir game and set tone thi kill mapl leaf almost noth long unscreen shot and defens swept rebound power plai flyer goal ugli plai rod brind amour gave puck greg hawgood point and drive net puppa made save and kick rebound into feet josef beranek and bob rous wrestl slot beranek stick puck and push dineen skate into slot circl and lift backhand puppa for flyer lead flyer pressur and puppa leaf keep flyer build lead for eventu thing settl and defens prevail each team occasion score chanc goali strong bowen start give lindro check corner lindro aveng hit foligno gave thought had chanc even score had foligno line center ic lean into and rode into center ic board problem that foligno board and mike mister mcgeough felt that warrant board call leaf couldn power plai flyer aggress for chang kill time run period recchi carri neutral zone and hand lindro approach leaf blue line crowd wendel clark and jami macoun lindro backhand pass recchi feet macoun that connect recchi clark check recchi puck macoun clear weak and mcgill had man point drove insid blue line macoun stick and deflect past goali shot flyer period flyer final chanc power plai dave andreychuk trip rod brind amour offens zone power plai flyer cheat puck pop into air and eric glove mcgeough thought hit stick head seat end ic that hit glove and replai confirm faceoff end time run advantag lindro found gallei pass across goal mouth puppa made save rebound kick back corner recchi pick pass eric crash circl and eric time past puppa assist recchi move past bobbi clark season second season total for flyer eric move time flyer rooki score point mike eastwood conroi give flyer anoth chanc power plai not pressur garri gallei end power plai slash not happen leaf had possess flyer smother leaf short power plai temper flare bowen and pearson rough minor keith acton bloodi face dave mcllwain dive and greg hawgood hook minor set replai show that hawgood stick stop make contact mcllwain long spun and fell flyer smother leaf power plai led dimitri yushkevich bowen made thunder hit box pearson berehowski perplex sloooowbal had puck point and trickl pass slot made flyer silli stick and gilmour side net soderstrom stone flyer pick thing offens kill didn home shot flyer flyer content goal lead period and decid that tommi want shutout work for flyer score chanc minut period couldn past puppa leaf tire lindro make road kill and temper flare each for doug gilmour and lindro unsportsmanlik conduct and each for glenn anderson and mcgill rough terri carkner knee penalti gilmour flyer smother leaf power plai minut mark dave andreychuk shot left circl that soderstrom puck roll side and luck turn net turn roll quarter inevit start lean second rod brind amour trip gilmour give leaf anoth chanc power plai advantag soderstrom stone andreychuk ly andreychuk rebound soderstrom net and straight and swept defensemen pressur soderstrom equal and preserv shutout recchi cross check ken baumgartn temper hot and start brawl punch thrown recchi initi minor krushelnyski baumgartn and lindro each rough minor rous and beranek express mutual dislik for each and each for slash set anoth mike eastwood shove ryan mcgill flyer zone battl for puck and mcgill ran stick across mcgill face flyer not happi that conroi pair berehowski and start throw punch upward held delight crowd each coupl punch head and stand penalti eastwood cross check game clark carkner each berehowski and conroi each fight major penalti for rest game for flyer had interest stting lead hawgood gallei and brind amour plai catch hawgood found dineen alon left circl control puck and blast past puppa that firework tommi soderstrom not face anoth shot puppa flyer board flyer shot flyer strongest game flyer sinc star break shutout number for soderstrom sinc ti for nhl plai fewer game belfour goali can rememb that ti winnipeg selann tuesdai night winnipeg flyer cannot elimin win loss coupl island win that night washington offici end flyer point season game last year had point game point last game improv that percentag point tragic number hold point game left tragic number for point watch ranger blow period lead home lose finish thi point flyer will win tie breaker catch island win tie breaker flyer and tie ranger crumbl stretch plai devil pen twice flyer and finish game cap guess place goal for team focu flyer team record watch eric lindro goal assist point rooki record club record goal club record point eric lindro dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart ron flockhart dave poulin eric lindro bill barber pell eklund mark recchi goal assist point club record goal club record point reggi leach bobbi clark tim kerr mark recchi tim kerr bobbi clark mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobbi clark bill barber rick macliesh reggi leach flyer career year player point prior season mark recchi penguin rod brind amour flyer garri gallei king brent fedyk red wing that for pete clark rsh flyer contact and mail list owner
rec.sport.hockey	strang phenomen nhl team leader articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write implicitli you assum that goal score winnipeg selann ic can blame roger forward winnipeg lousi defens record put anoth john cullen terribl your excus for that powerplai point don count selann you compar cullen salami that that valid winnipeg such lousi defens team hell salami stand team bluelin puck end thought that compar cullen teemu sel nne thought that salami sort sausag you dear roger salami ic plai hockei don you sure and quickli you that you talk rubbish time will true you care your leaf sure score refer you comment finnish friend watch plai claim that can plai solid two game that thi style contribut conduc win don you plai selann grandstand goal suck you parad arm outstretch score goal you messiah had return latest philli game leaf player didn parad philli crunch you two player can score cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian cordial hannu jet teemu teppo tappara canadien blackhawk
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli articl mweintr auvm american edu mweintr auvm american edu sprach slegg kean uc mun tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick stephen legg slegg kean uc munc two thing didn trade deadlin pass two week ago flyer never give lindro simpl that soderstrom and roussel hell flyer want pick older and slump roi byw come group player trade for wouldn team flyer cup mike rush marillion elp genesi king crimson dream theater beatl mike weintraub aka jvi irc courag convict mweintr american edu will drag dream jedi wave cerf net into exist american univers washington rush not limbaugh philadelphia flyer vancouv canuck philadelphia philli john runski jer psuvm
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount mvp valuabl player team term point and term leadership can win biggest surpris player rose expect player that rais level game height even that level doesn necessarili warrant allstar berth includ player outset season not even team plan biggest disappoint player expect pick deni savard montreal emphasi offenc brought demer shouldn savard team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi york ranger messier kovalev bourqu ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce mention top impress sit opinion fan nearer team word anywher toronto newspap bryan
rec.sport.hockey	realign nhl year reliabl sourc dream year ago and initi thought had take strong drug realiz begun you can leagu start move thi direct walt disnei confer anaheim mighti chipmunk franchis name chang each king hockei movi flame that san jose shark san diego bruin tijuana red wing detroit hockei team will follow car industri dalla star houston oiler texa ranger seattl canuck norm green confer alabama white hawk biloxi blue tampa bai lightn miami blade helsinki jet you heard start get us anthem montreal quebecoi will canada atlanta devil orlando penquin kei west island hartford whaler whaler will never move huh palm beach capit that anahaim team becom real begin rest messag futur will turn you into believ nhl will abandond ic rink expens cool rink subtrop and local ic nhl will becom roller skate hockei leagu that can creat public interest game local supporter can plai game back yard hope mind won disnei team anaheim will star aren move
rec.sport.hockey	nhl swede stat april score stat for swedish nhl player april mat sundin watch point season kent nilsson calgari flame mat naslund montreal canadien mat sundin quebec nordiqu hakan loob calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame goal season hakan loob calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame toma sandstrom king mat naslund montreal canadien mat sundin quebec nordiqu assist season kent nilsson calgari flame mat naslund montreal canadien borj salm toronto mapl leaf mat sundin quebec nordiqu kent nilsson calgari flame borj salm toronto mapl leaf thoma steen winnipeg jet ulf samuelsson watch penalti minut season ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin kjell samuelsson philadelphia flyer ulf samuelsson hartford whaler ulf samuelsson hartford whaler borj salm toronto mapl leaf name team born pt comment mat sundin que ulf dahlen min thoma steen win johan garpenlov sj fredrik olausson win toma sandstrom lak per erik eklund phi injur call johansson nickla lidstrom det tommi sjodin min ulf samuelsson pit mikael andersson tbl michael nyland hfd roger johansson cgy jan erixon nyr peter andersson nyr kjell samuelsson pit tommi albelin njd per djoo nyr binghampton nicla andersson que halifax thoma forslund cgy salt lake patrik carnback mon injur patrik kjellberg mon fredericton rank last week rank jersei number posit born goal assist pt point point score sinc last post list goali stat name team born tommi soderstrom phi re gaa sog pit chi tbl pit lak sj cgy edm nyr edm cgy bo det bo nyi hfd pit nyr ott mtl njd njd cgy van min det pit njd nyi min pit njd nyr que lak tor re result shot save game plai minut plai goal gaa goal averag sog shot goal save save percentag shutout assist staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	spell error stanlei cup turgeo plymouth edu write read newspap tidbit that mention that grammat error stanlei cup thi newspap union leader manchest hampshir state that year that york island won cup print actual cup state york iland can verifi thi forgot exact year that thi supposedli occur die hard island fan thi reason ask paper not reliabl call union mi leader randi plymouth state colleg turgeo plymouth edu speak spell error cup pittsburgh made cup you funni peopl can spell pittsburgh warren arbogast darden visual commun mile univers virginia and
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors answer simpl that you dislik russian live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglass hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors and canadian hockei todai european dont that european influenc leagu bad for game mean you plai dai fight and hockei imho canadian hockei had posit curv develop sinc game brute beauti for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin you don finn don want mine bad almost you northamerican origin europ hmmm and kind name rauser doesn sound canadian analyz team itali franc and great britain you find that lot player canadian doubl citizenship richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai toma nopp tel ellemtel telecom system lab fax box email toma nopp eua ericsson alvsjo snailmail
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rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors come canada borshevski sound canadian smith crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that canada immin danger overtaken primari supplier player sweden finland czech republ and slovakia rel small countri and cannot produc player greater rate produc and potenti influx soviet union sever blunt system raid and starv for financ and will decad two recov and becom real threat and will maintain slow increas canada continu suppli top hockei player world for forseeabl futur european hockei market hockei right place soccer two predomin world sport and sinc soccer essenti bore unlik hockei live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors canadian threat european number will satur haven and time russia come onlin nhl world leagu and will team stock and job for canadian hockei player team percentag canadian will declin american not european for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine crawl into hole and die gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr pasteur berkelei edu daniel cori berkelei edu daniel lyddi write you you absolut round player european descent and ship back start dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back don you american studi histori french settl north america earli british lemieux can trace back north american heritag back lot gerald
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade articl apr node hub org shadow node hub org jai chu write true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick anoth person incap ration thought gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european xenophob trash delet for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine you extrem guess you start pack you nativ north american thi isn your contin lori
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl result for game plai nhl result for game plai stand patrick adam norri smyth xpit ymon ydet yvan ybo ychi ycal yque ytor yla nyi ybuf stl ywin nyr har min edm phl ott clinch divis titl clinch playoff berth hartford whaler york ranger period har cunneyworth janssen greig nyr grave turcott zubov period nyr kovalev turcott grave har sanderson cassel nyr amont andersson vanbiesbrouck period nyr messier amont andersson har sanderson cassel har nyland ladouceur har verbeek zalapski powerplai opportun whaler ranger shot goal whaler ranger hartford whaler gosselin shot save york ranger vanbiesbrouck shot save att spike
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rec.sport.hockey	usenet playoff pool mention rule post will town dai entri deadlin won respond your messag april grate repost rule and instruct for playoff pool week for benefit miss two post andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom oper ext roman era consid
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors sick watch american name gretzki etc name you accept sit bull and danc wolv north america you jyri
rec.sport.hockey	tp will stai top mighti mightier tp finnish champion get stronger heard new tp acquir finnish hockei superstar jere lehtinen kiekko espoo rumour erik kakko reipa and marko jantunen kalpa trade tp thi player finnish olymp team that jantunen draft nhl btw juha nen centr hpk draft jet last year reach top level finnish centr had good playoff game tp hannu jet teemu teppo tappara canadien blackhawk
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rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr morgan scairn fsg write mvp surpris disappoint york ranger messier kovalev bourqu gartner zubov bourqu bourqu penguin laugh head time think ranger and thi loser scott cairn email scairn fsg fusion system group usmail broadwai york york usa york standard disclaim appli hope futur american thought warlik viciou peopl bet lot high school pick american mascot jack handei care phil like lot pittsburgh didn score lot you stat last year work butt speed that creat opportun offens zone that allow pen util potenti haven pai attent thi year can you object injuri hasn and offens isn not speed will for you creat opportun didn score thought monei offer ranger high and pen guess joseph stiehm articl apr morgan scairn fsg write mvp surpris disappoint york ranger messier kovalev bourqu gartner zubov bourqu bourqu penguin laugh head time think ranger and thi loser scott cairn email scairn fsg fusion system group usmail broadwai york york usa york standard disclaim appli hope futur american thought warlik viciou peopl bet lot high school pick american mascot jack handei care phil like lot pittsburgh didn score lot you stat last year work butt speed that creat opportun offens zone that allow pen util potenti haven pai attent thi year can you object injuri hasn and offens isn not speed will for you creat opportun didn score thought monei offer ranger high and pen guess joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that mlb perfectli will player cuba defect sort situat us russian czech etc hockei player polit situat countri chang major leagu basebal told blue jai and expo not sign oscar linar that name canada not restrict cuban that and major leagu team told canadian team that unhappi expo blue jai thi cuban player not defect plai canada and plai home game for expo and blue jai troubl gerald
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr morgan scairn fsg write messier joke thi year bad back not withstand plai reason ranger will golf coupl week gartner choic gui work butt game kovalev surpris plai adequ bad defens kovalev talent player plai for roger nielson roger player can for and can skate straight line and ic dudlei and nielson two coach bad leagu talent mogilni and kovalev and not turn into bure and selann predict preseason perhap pull alex mogilni coupl year and surpris zubov wasn expect make minor thi season and ow number injuri prove pleasant surpris muckler coach and kovalev will mogilni troubl ranger that neil smith and player messier kovalev and grave school take game oppon and attack hire coach interest rope dope strategi you want roger nielson world your coach you don and mark messier dog can learn trick loser and you don wast your draft pick player kovalev gerald gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write major leagu basebal told blue jai and expo not sign oscar linar that name linar not defect point mlb requir that player defect canada not restrict cuban that and major leagu team told canadian team that unhappi expo blue jai thi surpris long pool talent not access team mlb won team sign perfectli reason cuban player not defect plai canada and plai home game for expo and blue jai troubl that mlb won sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade apr node hub org jai chu write true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick sheesh rumor mill strike assum thi true question thi montreal give san jose shark pick and daigl tim irvin
rec.sport.hockey	sad dai for hockei articl finn abyss west sun dvb ick david van beveren write sinc penalti fall into class penalti foul illeg contact player stick your bodi stick you you for game unsportsmanlik contact intent foul thi inlclud current flavour rough fight and board you two you thrown game and fine technic foul bad mouth ref player coach penalti shot award two and you thrown game penalti shot for technic team get penalti period oppos team get penalti shot for addit end period victim get two shot act shoot foul ocur rule great that your rule complic will normal averag fan count foul player and even rememb name player order determin drew foul and will sub posit power center sit slot blue puck come and shoot defenseman and point defenseman final stat and worst penalti shot taker sinc almost ic will get foul ulf samuellson and tie domi miss penalti shot crazi keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ time you head platter cmdr benjamin sisko
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion assist orion oac uci edu assist coordin site write articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write mvp biggest biggest supris disappoint lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei chosen alex zhitnik for biggest supris expect that becom great defenseman don knew that thi impress rooki year speed skate abil and puck control except watch king agre marti mcsore and warren rychel run close second and surpris peopl not note knickl biggest surpris even person not rate biggest disappoint carson thi unfair sinc expect second biggest disappoint melros adolesc handl goaltend problem put hrudei bench for month stupid not contribut team come slump mvp sure robitail dvb
rec.sport.hockey	name for stanlei cup articl apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write posit name for unabl rememb complic hockei terminolog name name centr gui middl left wing gui left wing gui defenceman gui back goaltend gui net cage mother call refere gui whistl linesman gui arm coach gui suit head gui puck black thing red line line middl blue line line side creas place front gui net faceoff circl round thing stand slot point point accompani term bench place sit penalti box place sit bad bettman gui wrong sport stein gui charg isn name for individu award and stuff presid cup presid cup trophi regular season team hart winner valuabl player chosen gui middl gui gui left gui back and gui net typic gui middl and gui left and norri winner gui back gui award for even not gui middl left nauseum keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ time you head platter cmdr benjamin sisko
rec.sport.hockey	paul kuryia and canadian world team heard last night that paul kuryia will plai for canadian world hockei team thi year local radio station friend familti call congratul invit meekli paul told host that didn want thi morn heard that destin plai line lindro and recci unsur thi plai thi arena draft
rec.sport.hockey	jet fan hrivnak tabaracci articl apr wam umd edu giant wam umd edu thundarr write hrivnak and tabarraci plai you prefer and tyler larter happen you answer will hrivnak choic obviou skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	jet fan hrivnak tabaracci hrivnak and tabarraci plai you prefer and tyler larter happen you answer will hrivnak choic obviou you tabaracci plai two start and relief effort for beaupr look mighti sharp don forget shutout goal period plai hrivnak give credit david poil for chang thi trade hopefulli tabaracci start isl tonight haven jinx frank salvator fmsalvat eo ncsu edu
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion bryan smale smale healthi uwaterloo write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau vote fwiw team mvp pat verbeek fan goal mouth feed goal terribl start and examplari team captain tough coupl season honor mention nick kypreo and mark janssen unsung hero categori mvp kypreo goal pim hardest work player team and janssen underr defens center and checker guess place greater emphasi hard work skill determin biggest surpris geoff sanderson had goal and point last season center move left wing and put goal and point whaler record power plai goal come wing faceoff circl garden spot honor mention andrew cassel and terri yake kiddi quartet sanderson poulin nyland and petrovicki attract attent cassel and will score close point thi season quit nice assum role number center team and work sanderson yake bounc minor for number season and will put goal and point thi season yake sanderson start perform offens onc convert center wing lefti sanderson left wing and righti yake side biggest disappoint hand john cullen cullen had disaster point season last year full season trade cullen start season summer back surgeri and fell flat face sinc spent whaler career flat ass and whine cullen score point game clubhous malcont command powerplai success percentag sanderson and sulk town worst year contract had year left run give round draft pick mapl leaf offer hartford honor mention steve konroyd subpar sign year contract eric weinrich show flash compet plai poorli jim mckenzi hockei player two season ago and frank pietrangelo plai sean burk for extend period and make number start row real live hartford whaler season ticket holder steveg cadkei
rec.sport.hockey	mapl leaf updat for leaf fan concern player slate for return thursdai winnipeg toronto game peter zezel john cullen mark osborn and dave ellett question return thursdai regular player injur includ dimitri mironov back for saturdai home game flyer
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rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard wrote rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork thi savard syndrom and talk deni not serg team will win squat like deni savard lineup savard stai home and watch game life simpl savard not plai last game and plai crap montreal problem run deeper savard and mouton hope can act togeth playoff line game come pittsburgh like us for playoff hope can forget nice weather and plai hockei paul valin tel bell northern research email pavalin bnr box station ottawa ontario canada opinion
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors gee you winnipeg top that list regular european live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin jet fan sometim that bure knock silli noth game stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu case owner give gener manag order come draft find player that team will win stanlei cup whether that player kinderslei saskatchewan chelyabinsk russia believ player draft you call nhl leagu refer canadian player doesn belong belong owner owner can want canadian content rule enforc canada doubt that enforc that cfl for footbal refer didn even push import ratio rule sacromento goldmin increas competit for elit posit case make player yeah and european plai lower level profession hockei north america that plai ahl ihl that nhl team primari farm club you don hear european plai chl echl secondari farm team ihl jet russian player moncton don european wayn team plenti posit for hockei player north america number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine favour nhl leagu for premier player world grown european plai team and player world hedberg nilsson and sjoberg sel nne zhamnov and olausson and and come wouldn daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back don you american studi histori french settl north america earli british lemieux can trace back north american heritag back lot friendli jibe mode don you canadian understand sarcasm sometim reader decid that read ludicr that mean opposit kinda toronto win cup post yeah and cow can fly friendli jibe mode geez gerald read rec flamefest hockei pen great didn that mow quebec patrick
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that mlb perfectli will player cuba defect sort situat us russian czech etc hockei player polit situat countri chang sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	tp will stai top articl apr tnclu tele nokia hahietanen tnclu tele nokia write mighti mightier tp finnish champion get stronger isn btw juha nen centr hpk draft jet last year reach top level finnish centr had good playoff game tp nen draft choic jet assum thi nen that plai for kiekko espoo round pick jet entri draft notic summari that nen had begun plai playoff daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
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chi van nyr min det win edm ott que edm win tor har stl tor har nyi min stl win van nyi pit stl season will begin and end playoff will begin and end nhl regular season game will plai nhl citi season citi milwauke sacramento cleveland indianapoli phoenix miami oklahoma citi dalla atlanta cincinnati provid peoria hamilton saskatoon halifax chart show number game team game each nyi nyr phi pit bo buf har mon ott que chi det min stl tor cal edm van win valeri hammerl hammerl acsu buffalo edu post thi year version nhl schedul program for nhl game for exampl user can find game plai date find ten game plai team copi can obtain mail hammerl acsu buffalo edu neutral site schedul tue calgari minnesota saskatoon tue ottawa toronto hamilton tue chicago washington indianapoli tue toronto quebec hamilton wed buffalo jersei hamilton tue lo angel chicago milwauke tue montreal lo angel phoenix wed tampa bai york ranger miami sun edmonton york island oklahoma citi tue york island loui dalla mon san jose 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discuss continu import interest will list for two post boston bruin boston legisl and develop propos boston garden final agre deal that put seat million project back track finish septemb wing daniel maroi will sidelin indefinit surgeri repair herniat disc back defenseman glen murrai provid american hockei leagu buffalo sabr puck acquir left winger bob errei pittsburgh for defenseman mike ramsei veteran buffalo sabr broadcast ted darl will induct into club hall fame sundai april darl join expans sabr team plai plai announc televis and radio ill forc booth last season recal forward viktor gordiouk and doug macdonald rochest american hockei leagu calgari flame acquir veteran wing greg paslawski philadelphia for futur consider recal center todd harkin and left winger toma forslund salt lake citi intern hockei leagu chicago blackhawk million privat financ unit center schedul open august will home nba chicago bull and nhl chicago blackhawk stadium own entiti control two team owner appar not made decis whether chicago stadium will raze for park space onc facil locat directli across street open suspend defenseman craig muni indefinit for fail report trade edmonton detroit red wing acquir defenseman steve konroyd hartford for sixth round draft pick annnounc sign wing joe frederick pick nation hockei leagu entri draft two contrit hockei fan return stolen michigan sport hall fame plaqu honor detroit red wing great gordi how bronz plaqu stolen year ago cobo hall detroit site michigan hall fame edmonton oiler forward esa tikkanen york ranger for center doug weight trade defenseman craig muni chicago for forward mike hudson nhl commission gari bettman edmonton oiler leas northland coliseum improv team surviv citi edmonton northland profit agenc set citi administ exhibit facil includ coliseum oiler owner peter pocklington call leas northland horrend and threaten move team doesn deal make monei park concess build advertis seat coliseum lucr privat box that produc signific revenu for owner announc center kevin todd will not surgeri will miss remaind season separ shoulder hartford whaler defenseman steve konroyd detroit for sixth round draft pick acquir left winger robert kron and round draft pick vancouv for left winger murrai craven and round draft pick state connecticut will begin negoti bui civic center citi effort financi struggl hartford whaler franchis citi lo angel king center john mcintyr york ranger for defenseman mark hardi and ottawa round draft pick minnesota north star call call canada dalla citi council approv agreement minnesota north star that will bring nhl club reunion arena season defenseman mark tinordi captain north star will sidelin rest season includ postseason game north star plai broken collarbon acquir defenseman mark osiecki winnipeg for ninth and round draft pick ad defenseman travi richard univers minnesota employe file sexual harass suit minnesota north star owner norman green karen kari dziedzic green execut assist claim green instruct wear cosmet describ outfit hot and sexi onc slap hand eat and humili grab hand and rub client hair minnesota north star will move dalla thi season announc that season ticket reserv made for home reunion arena capac met center commiss told minnesota north star that club kei return midnight last home game club move dalla for season club pai unpaid interest team late rent payment for made earlier thi month and instruct not properti such scoreboard and zamboni ic surfac machin derian hatcher game misconduct penalti rescind nhl allow minnesota defenseman plai north star last two regular season game hatcher penalti fight end loss loui sundai april leagu didn rescind game misconduct penalti shane churla receiv star recal center cal mcgowan top minor leagu club kalamazoo mich replac churla montreal canadien acquir defenseman rob ramag tampa bai for minor leagu defensemen eric charron and alain cote and futur consider jersei devil berni nichol publicli apolog for critic refere deni morel devil loss buffalo sabr nichol eject morel for man fight late second period that game and afterward nichol call morel homer and embarrass refere associ york island trade wing daniel maroi boston for condit draft choic york ranger obtain forward esa tikkanen edmonton for center doug weight acquir left winger mike hartman tampa bai acquir center john mcintyr lo angel for defenseman mark hardi and ottawa round draft pick defenseman brian leetch will undergo addit surgeri ankl broke skate fall and not expect plai thi season leetch suffer broken ankl march victori san jose team slip ici patch pavement get taxi cab front apart announc that defenseman jame patrick will requir surgeri herniat disc back and will not plai thi season return goaltend corei hirsch binghamton american hockei leagu ottawa senat ottawa senat receiv ahead build seat palladium propos locat nearbi kanata ont project cost million construct will postpon season year schedul ottawa senat lost consecut nhl road game tie washington capit for road loss row assign left wing martin amour haven american hockei leagu philadelphia flyer open date spectrum push back fall formal groundbreak postpon indefinit trade veteran wing greg paslawski calgari flame for futur consider pittsburgh penguin trade left winger bob errei buffalo for defenseman mike ramsei reacquir defenseman peter taglianetti tampa bai lightn for round draft choic revolutionari comic san diego agre destroi copi mario lemieux comic book settlement pittsburgh penguin trademark infring lawsuit penguin su februari charg that sport star mario lemieux comic infring team logo and uniform regist trademark quebec nordiqu loui blue loui blue center ron sutter will miss rest season result separ shoulder san jose shark san jose shark announc that ticket price will increas for season move cow palac into million arena san jose recal defenseman tom pederson kansa citi intern hockei leagu reach agreement principl left wing alexand cherbayev tampa bai lightn two investor group pois build sport arena downtown tampa delai plagu compani that hold leas tampa bai lightn bow tampa coliseum inc leas nation hockei leagu team develop entertain and sport arena tampa stadium unabl rais monei for project left winger mike hartman york ranger for center randi gilhen defenseman peter taglianetti pittsburgh for round draft choic defenseman rob ramag montreal canadien for minor leagu defensemen eric charron and alain cote and futur consider manon rheaum start appear goal for atlanta knight impress for coach chanc backup goali for anoth minor leagu team season rheaum femal plai profession hockei stop shot and gave six goal cincinnati cyclon saturdai night april game coach gene ubriaco rheaum perform compet for goali spot louisvil icehawk east coast hockei leagu season knight and icehawk minor leagu club tampa bai lightn season come close rumor swirl that tampa bai lightn becom atlanta lightn minnesota lightn rumor lightn gener manag phil esposito espn report sundai april that lightn plai seat expo hall explor opportun move atlanta minneapoli esposito truth report disappoint espn irrespons comment esposito substanc rumor rumor swirl for past two year move tampa bai present discuss plan build arena toronto mapl leaf defenseman matt martin help main win ncaa hockei championship gave final year elig and sign contract toronto mapl leaf vancouv canuck vancouv canuck clear last hurdl effort build stadium vancouv council green light for million dollar complex will seat thousand peopl and will adjoin offic tower will built viaduct place vancouv site prepar will begin thi summer complet date fall trade left winger robert kron and round draft pick hartford for left winger murrai craven and round draft pick obtain defenseman dan ratushni winnipeg for ninth round draft pick sign wing brian lonei multi year contract and assign hamilton american hockei leagu ahl washington capit cap trade goaltend jim hrivnak and futur consider winnipeg for goaltend rick tabaracci winnipeg jet winnipeg jet allow econom assist order smyth divis result expans defenseman mark osiecki minnesota for ninth and round draft pick goaltend rick tabaracci washington for jim hrivnak and futur consider defenseman dan ratushni vancouv for ninth round draft pick winnipeg teemu selann broke nhl rooki point record jet rooki ti record point set peter stastni quebec goal season and move ahead assist loss toronto fort wayn komet told winnipeg that jet will minor leagu affili moncton american hockei leagu report jet move player moncton fort wayn season expans new nation hockei leagu announc that expans anaheim and south florida franchis will join leagu for season disnei and nation hockei leagu offici announc mondai march that mighti duck anaheim disnei expans team will ic fall michael eisner chairman and chief execut offic walt disnei mighti duck will plai pond anaheim sport arena disnei flagship theme park arena construct and will complet june pond seat team meet leagu requir that sell season ticket for final grant nhl membership anaheim name jack ferreira gener manag and pierr gauthier assist gener manag veteran nhl scout godfrei hire midwest region scout for anaheim mighti duck philadelphia flyer senior vice presid bobbi clark name mondai march post gener manag for miami nhl expans team franchis owner wayn huizenga made announc miami arena month award franchis huizenga plan team ic time for begin nhl season octob realign eastern confer atlant divis washington capit jersei devil york island york ranger philadelphia flyer south florida tampa bai lightn northeast divis boston bruin buffalo sabr hartford whaler montreal canadien ottawa senat pittsburgh penguin quebec nordiqu western confer central divis chicago blackhawk dalla star detroit red wing loui blue toronto mapl leaf winnipeg jet pacif divis anaheim mighti duck calgari flame edmonton oiler lo angel king san jose shark vancouv canuck schedul eastern confer team will plai game each six division oppon game each team confer divis and two game each western confer member western confer team will plai six game each division oppon game each six team confer divis and two game each eastern confer club playoff system will confer base team meet team round and matchup will base point divis champion second place seed each confer and assur home ic two playoff round seri will rotat matchup central and pacif team seri will rotat reduc travel case team regular season point will choos whether start seri home draft new term expans draft will held june each exist club will allow protect goaltend defensemen and forward recent expans draft allow team protect two goali and not make distinct forward and defensemen year pro will exempt draft two year exempt team had last season san jose tampa bai and ottawa will allow exempt second year pro each team will lose two player maximum loss goaltend and maximum loss defenseman except that team lose goaltend can longer lose defenseman end phase draft two franchis will goaltend defensemen and forward for total player second phase will conduct san jose tampa bai and ottawa will select two player each roster two team ottawa tampa bai and san jose will guarante prioriti draft select draft long worst record anaheim and miami will choos lower fourth and expans franchis will move draft san jose tampa bai ottawa not finish bottom posit two team will pick and second entri draft finish two team not plai season prioriti draft posit owner announc draft will hartford and draft winnipeg draft schedul for boston delai construct arena requir draft move leagu new disput nhl owner and player resolv differ salari arbitr procedur clear for hear nhlpa execut director bob goodenow didn disclos issu resolv prior stick point had manner statist us arbitr hear olymp nhl announc februari will not make profession player compet winter olymp leagu leadership lo angel king owner bruce mcnall succeed blackhawk owner bill wirtz chairman nhl power board governor appoint join mcnall execut committe ron corei montreal canadien mike ilitch detroit red wing peter pocklington edmonton oiler and snider philadelphia flyer gari bettman vice presid and gener counsel nation basketbal associ name commission nation hockei leagu fridai decemb miscellan henri richard berni parent and billi smith name special ambassador for stanlei cup centenni season long celebr nhl championship trophi trio will leagu wide function such star game and stanlei cup playoff nation hockei leagu name john turner prime minist canada serv board director hockei hall fame and museum and nomin scotti morrison david taylor larri bertuzzi robert bundi walter bush murrai costello jim gregori lesli kaplan lawrenc meyer and alan tonk serv board take offic march nhl presid gil stein individu elect hockei hall fame builder categori buffalo sabr chairman board and presid seymour knox iii vancouv canuck chairman frank griffith and veteran canadian hockei execut fred page nhl linesman john amico select hall fame refere linesman categori nhl game carri tsn and cbc canada espn check your local list nation hockei leagu struck condit year deal espn televis profession hockei season seri agreement grant espn exclus nation coverag nhl start season and cabl network option extend term that domest agreement for year deal grant espn exclus intern televis distribut exclud canada for year leagu contract call for espn televis regular season game domest audienc thi come season and playoff game includ entir stanlei cup final major espn regular season game will televis fridai night nhl commission gari bettman announc wednesdai march that abc sport will televis stanlei cup playoff game start month abc will carri playoff game network arrang espn rightshold for nhl game espn will provid product game abc own espn april wale confer game quarterfin april campbel confer game quarterfin wale confer game semifin campbel confer game semifin wale confer game final award winner star team hall fame inducte and draft pick award winner hart trophi mvp mark messier nyr vezina trophi goali patrick roi mon norri trophi defenseman brian leetch nyr calder trophi rooki pavel bure van selk trophi defens forward gui carbonneau mon ladi byng trophi sportsmanship wayn gretzki jack adam award coach pat quinn van bill masterton memori trophi persever mark fitzpatrick nyi king clanci trophi contribut commun rai bourqu bo jen trophi lowest team gaa patrick roi mon art ross trophi score point mario lemieux pit hall famer player frank boucher and red dutton and execut bruce mcnall and gil stein thursdai name winner lester patrick award for outstand servic hockei unit state award select each year committe repres wide cross section hockei commun star team patrick roi mon rai bourqu bo brian leetch nyr mark messier nyr brett hull stl kevin steven pit star game starter vote fan wale confer mario lemieux pittsburgh jaromir jagr pittsburgh kevin steven pittsburgh rai bourqu boston brian leetch ranger patrick roi montreal campbel confer steve yzerman detroit brett hull loui pavel bure vancouv chri chelio chicago paul coffei lo angel belfour chicago rooki team gilbert dionn mon toni amont nyr kevin todd vladimir konstantinov det nickla lidstrom det dominik hasek chi hall fame inducte marcel dionn bob gainei lanni mcdonald and woodi dumart round entri draft player po team roman hamrlik alexei yashin ott mike rathj todd warrin que dariu kaspara nyi cori stillman cal ryan sittler phi brandon converi tor robert petrovicki har andrei nazarov david cooper buf sergei krivokrasov chi joe hulbig edm sergei gonchar jason bowen phi dmitri kvartalnov bo sergei bautin win jason smith martin straka pit david wilki mon libor polasek van curti bowen det grant marshal tor peter ferraro nyr nhl rule game eject for instig fight helmet option grab oppon stick defens move penalti dive draw penalti penalti coincident minor team full strength result plai high stick waist cba ratifi nhlpa term septemb septemb licens and endors player exclus right individu person includ like salari arbitr rule negoti salari arbitr jointli agre free agenc compens scale reduc for player ag and group iii free agent ag reduc player complet profession season minor nhl and last year contract didn earn averag nhl salari can elect onc career becom unrestrict free agent end contract salari and award player playoff fund increas minimum salari insur disabl coverag dental broad base medic improv increas life insur for player coverag for wive pension improv pension contribut per player per year depend player number nhl game agreement languag guarante continu secur plan negoti regular season increas game for game plai neutral site arrang and revenu share roster skater and goaltend for entri draft reduc round supplement draft select for each playoff team joint studi group examin financi state nhl issu report assist prepar for negoti nhl free agenc categori effect group player ag and player choic player equal draft pick compens for compens club match offer club for equal club match offer equal can consist player draft pick and cash agre two club submit arbitr group player ag player choic player equal draft pick compens for equal club match offer for compens schedul round pick player sign for year two round pick player sign for million year extra round pick for each addit year group iii player ag and club get compens match offer receiv match club make qualifi offer player salari prior season group player consid defect free agent group player year experi salari below nhl averag can choos free agent compens onc career nhl minor leagu nhl minor leagu intern hockei leagu american hockei leagu and east coast hockei leagu inform central hockei leagu and american hockei associ can found section ihl contact ihl rob springal rg ultb isc rit edu atlanta knight scott clarkson prism gatech edu cincinnati cyclon joseph comb jgcomb uceng edu cleveland lumberjack rob gasser csrag uoft utoledo edu wayn komet rob gasser csrag uoft utoledo edu milwauke admir jason hanson jason studsi msc edu salt lake golden eagl roland behunin behunin logdi aflc mil intern hockei leagu grant franchis la vega group head henri sticknei for season intern hockei leagu name bob chase voic fort wayn komet leagu broadcast year ihl annual award effect year will name chase honor honor ihl jim loria kansa citi blade market director year shelli gartner phoenix roadrunn merchandis manag year and steve doherti kalamazoo wing public relat director year atlanta knight intern hockei leagu announc thursdai april that manon rheaum will start goaltend home game saturdai night april cincinnati cyclon rheaum will becom femal start regular season profession hockei game fort wayn announc winger scott gruhl will retir end intern hockei leagu season gruhl will join muskegon furi coloni leagu fort wayn komet told winnipeg that jet will minor leagu affili moncton american hockei leagu report jet move player moncton fort 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rec.sport.hockey	minnesota recal mcgowan derian hatcher game misconduct penalti rescind nhl allow minnesota defenseman plai north star last two regular season game hatcher penalti fight end loss loui sundai april leagu didn rescind game misconduct penalti shane churla receiv star recal center cal mcgowan top minor leagu club kalamazoo mich replac churla courtesi washington time line servic tape tuesdai chicago minnesota game contact term will favor can tape tonight minnesota detroit game contact thi quit import onc will make worth your troubl rec sport hockei contact for minnesota north star and maintain faq file mitch mcgowan kalamazoo wing minnesota north star hamlet washington edu kilda saint toronto blue jai
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rec.sport.hockey	canuck clinch bure score playoff goal previou articl steveg cadkei steve gallichio ron apland apland mala write quinn will resign head coach thi secret and hopefulli will bring game spatial and institut team disciplin plai keenan give and coach and quinn upstair presid impress that rick lei line for canuck job quinn step bench lei coach canuck organ bring back harri neal witti freenet carleton rachel holm
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rec.sport.hockey	washington beat pitt articl kkq acsu buffalo edu ubvmsd buffalo edu ralph ambrosio write articl apr mprgate mpr tasallot galaxi mpr mathew tasalloti write penguin patrick will win cup hardest task that divis that washington will definitli throw rench into penguin plan canuck fan not that chanc thi year washington team that can stop penguin win stanlei cup impress that penguin had cap number for season mathew tasalloti mpr teltech vancouv canada ask interject opinion matter concern island playoff come jet for and last year capit had pen number game playoff john horstmann
rec.sport.hockey	hockei bai area not don sport channel and despar for playoff action cannuck sport bar bai peninsula that will show hockei game for redwood citi and mountain view lot greg
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll updat goali mask poll sinc peopl gave decid give pt for favorit pt for for you mail respons gave pt feel free send your favorit you vote mask you will receiv vote for player not nhl mention team plai for date result player team pt vote belfour chicago andi moog boston curti joseph loui brian hayward san jose grant fuhr buffalo ron hextal quebec clint malarchuk buffalo manon rheaum atlanta ihl john casei minnesota rick wamslei toronto retir that vote and come skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
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rec.sport.hockey	stop predict articl apr ncsu edu cdkaupan eo ncsu edu carl david kaupang write annoi predict net care you will win stop predict cap win cup that word doktor kultur ottawa citizen rememb unhook nitrou oxid you leav dentist chair jet for onc playoff beg you paul badertsch uwovax uwo
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler keenan stuff articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write oiler will charg eat press room year articl toronto paper thi month ago globe and mail ethic journalist even sport journalist not accept free meal team case point articl make admittdli sport report ethic standard gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	predict classic playoff year anoth predict for great playoff you laugh your conveni adam divis hate name divisoin bo buf bo hot mon que mon thi will seri watch round bo mon mon thi bit bias feel canadien will smarten and start plai plai two month ago bench savard patrick divis pit njd pit wont complet cake walk lump cake batter nyi thi will not excit seri imo pitt pit washington will tire nyi norri divis chi stl chi stl will lucki game tor det tor thi mon que will anoth intens seri watch chi tor tor potvin will settl nice thi point smyth divis van win van teemu great vancouv team cal lak cal gretzki great calgari fire for pun not van cal van thi will great seri van proven will not lie and beat wale confer final pittsburgh montreal montreal montreal imho team that chanc pittsburgh campbel confer final vancouv toronto toronto potvin will seri mvp stanlei cup final toronto mapl leaf montreal canadien classic stanlei cup final matchup dream come true montreal win stanlei cup game doubl overtim roi and potvin spectacular seri and share seri mvp that vincent damphous net game winner brilliant pass brian bellow canadien star deni savard watch buddi plai owner box nurs that splinter thumb left disabl list sinc game playoff awww shuck yee haa poof and wake that predict hope and dream come true and you can stop laugh anytim paul die hard hab fan live die hard leaf fan
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rec.sport.hockey	predict classic playoff year articl apr dal paul dal write anoth predict for great playoff you laugh your conveni adam divis hate name divisoin bo buf bo hot mon que mon thi will seri watch round bo mon mon thi bit bias feel canadien will smarten and start plai plai two month ago bench savard patrick divis pit njd pit wont complet cake walk lump cake batter nyi thi will not excit seri imo pitt pit washington will tire nyi norri divis chi stl chi stl will lucki game tor det tor thi mon que will anoth intens seri watch chi tor tor potvin will settl nice thi point smyth divis van win van teemu great vancouv team cal lak cal gretzki great calgari fire for pun not van cal van thi will great seri van proven will not lie and beat wale confer final pittsburgh montreal montreal montreal imho team that chanc pittsburgh campbel confer final vancouv toronto toronto potvin will seri mvp stanlei cup final toronto mapl leaf montreal canadien classic stanlei cup final matchup dream come true montreal win stanlei cup game doubl overtim roi and potvin spectacular seri and share seri mvp that vincent damphous net game winner brilliant pass brian bellow canadien star deni savard watch buddi plai owner box nurs that splinter thumb left disabl list sinc game playoff awww shuck yee haa poof and wake that predict hope and dream come true and you can stop laugh anytim paul die hard hab fan live die hard leaf fan comment thi you call thi classic playoff year and you don includ chicago detroit seri mon boston fan and even realiz that chicago detroit game excit game watch chri downec rpi edu
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rec.sport.hockey	aargh great hockei coverag devil articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare wrote lock wait for tape delai start nice that devil start playoff network televis bad that playoff game preempt wabc for earli season yanke basebal game win texa ranger and delai tape delai anoth half hour for ballgam highlight you that bad bowl green and abc toledo cabl decid total pre empt game tape delai noth for stupid telethon hockei big had listen penguin win car radio park lot can thank for strong radio mile pittsburgh recept isn good can pick middl dai georg
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rec.sport.hockey	blue steal game hawk blue score two power plai goal second period and beat chicago blackhawk sundai afternoon chicago stadium brendan shanahan ti game and brett hull score game winner second jeff brown and denni felsner score blue goal brian noonan had hat trick for hawk had good goaltend belfour blue goali curti joseph solid stretch preserv blue lead hawk strong period outshoot blue and take lead noonan goal interfer penalti rick zombo had expir keith brown intercept clear attempt blue line and pass puck steve larmer circl larmer fire long slap shot and noonan deflect puck joseph pad goal blue pick intens and outshoot hawk period jeff brown ti game second nelson emerson broke left side craig muni and push puck across slot belfour plai pass and shovel board brown collect and slap belfour back goal two minut hawk power plai belfour stop rich sutter short hand break chri chelio pick puck and pass jeremi roenick carri wing and found open noonan nice pass across slot noonan fire past joseph for lead noonan complet hat trick increas hawk lead stephan matteau made nice pass board noonan beat stephan quintal drive net joseph had chanc noonan deflect puck net denni felsner reduc blue deficit pick rebound basil mcrae slap shot slot jannei set mcrae for shot and puck sail wide net and bounc end board felsner felsner stick rebound into partial open net blue outshot hawk second period blackhawk lead stephan matteau pick high stick penalti second into power plai steve smith call for slash give blue advantag for blue didn wast time brendan shanahan score second into two man advantag tie game jannei found hull slot and hull fire rocket belfour jeff brown collect rebound and pass shanahan left circl shanahan beat belfour sharp angl second hull score game winner for blue nelson emerson broke wing carri puck net two hawk defensemen emerson made nice pass uncheck hull slot and hull beat belfour put blue hawk had chanc tie game final minut joseph made brilliant save prevent hawk score stop troi murrai point blank creas left game blue kill late hawk power plai rich sutter clear puck hand trickl goal line blue held win game hawk oushot blue period total shot goal for each team blue special team excel game blue kill hawk power plai and score twice power plai chanc blue rank special team leagu rank penalti kill and power plai game carri live abc time nhl game star game shown network televis sinc cb carri game stanlei cup final seri continu wednesdai chicago and fridai and sundai loui box score blue blackhawk blue chicago period chi noonan larmer brown penalti shanahan stl hold zombo stl interfer murphi chi high stick grimson chi board zombo stl hold second period stl brown shanahan emerson chi ppg noonan roenick chelio chi noonan matteau sutter stl felsner mcrae jannei penalti baron stl interfer wilson stl trip period stl ppg shanahan brown hull stl ppg hull emerson brown penalti shanahan stl rough matteau chi high stick smith chi slash baron stl rough shot goal blue chicago power plai opportun loui chicago goaltend loui joseph shot save chicago belfour refere kerri fraser linesmen kevin collin brian murphi joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil lrw rpi edu wangr vccsouth rpi edu rex wang write not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker don smilei figur poster dog wordprocessor couldn smarter thi not great math cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	aargh great hockei coverag devil articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare lock wait for tape delai start thi gui bit disappoint lemieux two tocchet mullen tippett and jagr buzz friend forgot had score mullen goal score lemieux two tocchet tippett jagr funni part jagr part chalantli process score ask thi question abc coverag wasn bad scale give game chi loui area nice that devil start playoff network televis bad that playoff game preempt wabc for earli season yanke basebal game that stupid complain televis network even pirat game penguin game thi time year and pittsburgh sure rais hell win texa ranger and delai tape delai anoth half hour for ballgam highlight texa good start pull thi year whoop that belong rec sport basebal robbi pgh penguin come natur patrick divis semi stanlei cup you wait for penguin devil champion possibl don you penguin lead straight win strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	place articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov rap psuvm psu edu robbi rap psuvm psu edu write red wing mapl leaf mapl leaf comment kind tough reli yzerman team main weapon great palyer dino choke put burden steve even potvin had hell season and goaltend you playoff for great prognost you rememb playoff histori dino show playoff great sleeper pick pool don forget fedorov top player nhl imho and coffei stanlei cup ring activ player correct wrong wing cakewalk yeah come dino never cap patrick divis choke game last year and swept second round two year ago rare make divis canuck jet canuck comment vancouv selann king and domi for enforc winnipeg game canuck number that canuck plai shit winnipeg can win thi vancouv will manag slip island can pull vancouv winnipeg number doesn matter flame king flame comment game good king battl flame back run and won memori last year season gretzki tear surround king king battl king never plai game differ battl and pull calgari pull robbi pgh penguin come natur patrick divis semi stanlei cup you wait for penguin devil champion possibl don you penguin lead straight win strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	daigl kariya hear daigl will pick year word kariya plai enter draft
rec.sport.hockey	umass big east hockei underwai mission reviv hockei umass underwai saturdai afternoon press confer held mullin center arena boston colleg asst coach joe mallen award year year contract head coach for umass minutemen mallen viabl pick for posit jeff jackson lake superior and second shawn walsh umain previou offer for posit rumor offer asst coach brown rpi and head coach ahl springfield indian umass hockei disband due financi constraint that had undermin team posit period year late novemb last year million mullin sport center open year construct deadlin minutemen slate plai independ div div iii schedul thi upcom winter offici enter hockei east for winter season mallen comment player recruit strategi potenti team candid for minutemen expect that will leverag insid contact england bai state and europ draw competit top ic player for univers umass slate hockei scholarship for upcom fall semest expect hear hear sourc jim doyl univ massachusett dept comput scienc staff programm puma dcc cnet email doyl gaia umass edu offic lederl grc room tel home blackberri tel amherst
rec.sport.hockey	difficult penguin ticket articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu dmonei magnu ac ohio state edu dean monei write subject line terribl difficult ticket penguin game that playoff easi find scalper igloo sell ticket scalper ticket arena you pai buck extra you can find street messag board street front hyatt even gate you bui monei you pai and regular season you find for face below you wait game time pick earlier rick
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil lrw rpi edu wangr vccsouth rpi edu rex wang write peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker not devil and island point for exampl anoth team had thi record had point total island and devil record simpl arithmet and involv calculu john comput scienc graduat pretend mathematican
rec.sport.hockey	bruin canadien articl apr rose jack petrilli rose jack petrilli write april richard amc richard wernick wrote boston you sinden find screw even thi good boston team fire suter trade vital star admittedli last trade good long luck run and start make esposito for ratel type trade thi trade bad recal ratel and middleton make pretti good centr wing combin and bruin brad park deal and lost vadnai and trade bruin two final and semi final lost montreal you end doubt keep esposito made differ seri not for ranger year boston for that matter riston riston
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team milwauke put jason not wisconsin close rel live port washington minut north milwauke visit citi regularli and bradlei time admir plai and ncaa hockei championship beauti build pettit and citi promot facil for hockei north america will happen admir milwauke acquir franchis word team will move green bai and plai brown counti arena onc admir independ franchis and peopl milwauke support game crowd anywher number nhl team island hartford jersei enviou night fact that citi support minor leagu franchis glamour nhl club affili testimoni amount hockei interest exist citi sincer martin hill box sault ste mari home lssu laker attend figur for ihl and milwauke stack ihl citi such atlanta phoenix san diego cleveland and cincinnati repli
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write edu jason gibson write can live that made playoff format chang chang divis and confer name annoi batman tsn last night that chang name make game easier for occasion fan follow meant that chang name will make game easier for american hockei citi follow don friend had hard time team each divis even minim amount exposur game person quickli pick thi noth wrong make game easier for american follow fan merrier and even you dislik occasion fan chanc that fan will becom fanat glad that name chang for anoth reason name patrick smyth norri adam and campbel name call builder game thi type think that put stein hall fame thi absolut nonsens real builder game richard morenz how conach orr etc you name divis peopl name divis peopl deserv that you incorrect roger patrick smyth and adam plai coach leagu front offic type build leagu not great player agre that name name name and peopl troubl name that not easili process fan chang name that easili process reason idea can peopl arena door uncompl onc will realiz great game hockei and can teach abotu histori game histori name can put succinctli aforemen tion us game hockei make monei can you imagin pocklington divis ballard divis green divis not want ballard divis that owner asshol nhl manag peopl asshol fallaci conn smyth for exampl classi individu heard isn point profession hockei make monei for involv includ player you that player not made monei due and player that make game great not peopl put ic name divis manag peopl player ad insult form lesser recognit injuri monei deserv evan pritchard number depend hockei pool epritcha psych uiuc edu
rec.sport.hockey	aargh great hockei coverag devil robbi rap psuvm psu edu write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare lock wait for tape delai start thi gui bit disappoint call thi penguin that thing stand radio game that hour devil wabc nice soni watchman paranoid robbi don judg geograph coordin jet nordiqu final gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name pdgi ljl new cso uiuc edu epritcha psych uiuc edu evan pritchard write that you incorrect roger patrick smyth and adam plai coach leagu front offic type build leagu not great player punch imlach contribut coach and greater combin name divis trophi smyth and norri and bunch honour pure power owner owner build leagu whether develop game anoth question altogeth honour contribut leagu evolut honour contribut glori sport agre that name name name and peopl troubl name that not easili process fan chang name that easili process reason idea can peopl arena door uncompl onc will realiz great game hockei and can teach abotu histori game can disagre you histori name can put succinctli aforemen tion us game hockei make monei can you imagin pocklington divis ballard divis green divis not want ballard divis that owner asshol nhl manag peopl asshol fallaci conn smyth for exampl classi individu heard you heard major definit asshol origin phrase you can beat allei you can beat ic that idea hockei you chanc that don cherri classi individu isn point profession hockei make monei for involv includ player you that player not made monei due and player that make game great not peopl put ic name divis manag peopl player ad insult form lesser recognit injuri monei deserv monei issu irrelev point that agre and that player that make game great and not peopl put ic exactli true name divis and trophi smyth and bunch kind nepot that put stein hall fame thought that thi nonsens cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name epritcha psych uiuc edu evan pritchard write not want ballard divis that owner asshol nhl manag peopl asshol fallaci conn smyth for exampl classi individu heard depend you mean classi heard classi harold ballard differ that back almost owner that comparison read book net worth for view smyth and norri and adam and campbel isn point profession hockei make monei for involv includ player you that player not made monei due and player that make game great not peopl put ic name divis manag peopl player ad insult form lesser recognit injuri monei deserv even specif roger and previous that not peopl made leagu great divis confer etc name morenz vezina how orr etc peopl make great nhl chosen immort men rich men made game great chri ronei mail chri ronei sfu
rec.sport.hockey	numer nothing articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton bob wilson write mario averag point per game antigretz gretzki averag pt game mario project game point beat wayn record check your inform post gretzki record pt game game point game gretzki total project point pitt win percentag mario game point thi record mtl had year canadien had percentag pt game bruin had win percentag canadien had percentag record bob wilson freenet carleton joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff stat score for updat playoff updat score stat summari mail mmilitzo skidmor edu subject stat
rec.sport.hockey	ranger name keenan coach clarinew clarinet upi write clari sport hockei york upi mike keenan nhl coach histori wear despit impress penchant for win come citi that embrac victor becom fan thi new come sinc thursdai effect rob island and devil airtim sport talk show almost that sampl fact playoff almost don exist ranger fan call wfan york midnight sport talk mix furi thi season and orgasm keenan hire summar keenan winner and will give broadwai bum busi pursu cup chase chicago blackhawk cut last tie keenan forc gener manag novemb had chicago coach duti year ago and thirst for power increas pressur beleagu ranger neil smith thi will interest combin watch keenan paid monei put and shut and coach advic player move will listen close lot big player move will happen rememb that keenan rid deni savard countri club dai keenan left chicago couldn coach smith indic market fear that and couldn that happen paramount had smith earlier sign support and offer keenan big monei put and shut back januari ranger not head for golf keenan take demor team that offer chanc fashion anoth reclam project highest salari command nhl coach ranger own gulf western bestow keenan unpreced million year deal mike long time messier won two canada cup togeth final time miss element win stanlei cup don person year ago even year ago chang and better experi keenan statement reaffirm that mark messier will team captain time move ranger coach month prepar for nhl draft june and neil smith not back trade happi pattern smith bargain keenan advic unload phil bourqu for tie domi gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	abc canada abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for comment cbc had great chanc for doubl header toronto detroit and vancouv winnipeg todai that east get leaf and west vancouv game thought that show godfath
rec.sport.hockey	colleg hockei star game detail shriner star game that featur senior colleg hockei game orono main you repli
rec.sport.hockey	correct playoff predict read thi you your predict correct patrick divis you you midnight mondai time you correct game pittsburgh jersei york island washington patrick divis winner wale confer winner stanlei cup winner forward correct richard madison rrmadiso napier uwaterloo pen isl devil cap pen devil
rec.sport.hockey	you smoke wasr predict classic playoff year norri divis tor det tor thi mon que will anoth intens seri watch chi tor tor potvin will settl nice thi point vancouv toronto toronto potvin will seri mvp thi kill stanlei cup final toronto mapl leaf montreal canadien classic stanlei cup final matchup dream come true montreal win stanlei cup game doubl overtim roi and potvin spectacular seri and share seri mvp that vincent damphous net game winner brilliant pass brian bellow canadien star deni savard watch buddi plai owner box nurs that splinter thumb left disabl list sinc game playoff awww shuck paul die hard hab fan live die hard leaf fan speak die hard that read thi di hard laugh toronto cup final planet heard team detroit morgani you spell idiot name chicago espn not even close chicago will definatli win norri divis playoff team close pick chicago don easi choic god chicago wing and won divis point two close toronto good team for leaf beat detroit doubt even aren chicago even amazingli past hawk face vancouv and lose for hab reach final forget even devot wing fan will watch penguin easili peat cup winner lemieux jagr tocchet steven and barrasso deal detroit wait til year hei paul pick and opinnion leaf final yeah make walk toronto ticket and that mile walk ryan detroit red wing forgotten team wing hope penguin earli
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain mist ranger soap box captain nemesi ier coach roger nebula bad blood bath and high hope turn coach klean commissar keenan procedur hockei team us select captain includ select coach staff player vote for captain appoint manag and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci mike
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain apr ann arbor applicon slb coll ann arbor applicon slb michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season leaf kind comic second imlach era darryl sittler call cancer team tore sweater and for leaf didn captain sittler eventu end philli and promis philli captainci and sittler friend bobbi clark sittler trade detroit rick vaiv leaf captain for awhil slept dai and captainci trade chicago doug carpent tenur leaf coach attempt kiss ass sulk gari leeman leaf brad marsh give leeman leeman wouldn and give back marsh wouldn stori rememb captain concern mel bridgman late senat philadelphia bobbi clark arguabl great captain time bump statu plai coach and had relinquish captainci bridgman captain report ask flyer bridgman captain sinc clark undisput leader player report told that bridgman charg make that soap dispens shower full cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil articl lrw rpi edu wangr rpi edu write peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker golli love stupid peopl listen rex thi hockei nhl precis and nhl exist thing call ti tie occur game end score for each team equal each team get point for tie exit thing call win win team higher score oppon yeah two team plai each time can oppon team get two point for win that team record win loss and ti anoth team record win loss and ti team point second team point wow number point number win that that amaz rex peopl talk win tiebreak that mean exampl second team win tiebreak and record even team had number point you didn understand thi post rex you back and read slowli keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ want your opinion give you
rec.sport.hockey	atlanta hockei hell not that bad pretti piss local abc coverag cut half hour coverag plai david brinklei earlier time slot don even understand problem didnt peopl not watch game decid show game and show remain hour game hurt plai david brinklei regular time dont decent program noon call sport dept and blast machin call gain and pick ask premept half hour stanlei cup playoff bit confus explain bit detail that upto program dept call back mondai weel understand that sport dept not respons for thi preemption can understand sport dept can even recognis name playoff shown station work for call tomorrow and blast phone urg atlanta hockei fan call wsb and not thing for week pravin ratnam pen rule
rec.sport.hockey	ooop pictur you will hab into last coupl minut game lead nord power plai pull hextal and goal bout minut anoth win overtim bad dream that red hot chili pepper song give give give suppos can watch leaf win tomorrow night smili femal hockei fan world susan carrol clark sclark epa utoronto
rec.sport.hockey	nord hab rob aargh paul stewart worst and bias ref present nhl call total penalti hab and nordiqu nord penalti stewart nordiqu call penalti hab let nord murder rob excel game plenti end end rush and tremend goalkeep nord ti minut lebeau serv penalti don mind stewart call penalti last min game fair nord caught hand cooki jar onc stewart turn cheek bastard patrick roi collaps let tie goal shaki and knee for rest night win goal shouldn don wrong not blame loss stewart hab had plenti chanc capit muller leclair haller etc fail put puck net that stewart didn matter bruin lost ooo ooo czar mainfram comput jbe musicb mcgill mcgill univers sexi for cobol hab will beat nord expo hickori dickori doc good your cock scari rinkl and hairi smell year sock andrew dice clai disclaim needless that opinion express czar repres faculti staff and student mcgill univers
rec.sport.hockey	sad dai for hockei articl alvstad mari acc admin stolaf edu mad dog report fine year histori close tonight minnesota north star norm star whichev you prefer lost red wing score star goal score mike mcphee and ulf dahlen net two includ final franchis histori minut plai stori report ev norm farewel twin citi earlier post announc that norm green midnight last home game north star cleanup belong and turn kei arena thi happen norm run town rumor that attempt remov score board score board fell ic and flatten greedi larg piec green paper arena manag had us zamboni confisc norm truck clean useless remain mike
rec.sport.hockey	atlanta hockei hell mamatha devineni ratnam andrew cmu edu write can understand sport dept can even recognis name playoff shown station work for you that bad year had york team playoff and cableco oper scny onc share channel bet forgot throw switch didn talk nice that nhl back american network face problem star game local preemption and promot don watch that foam leagu made that solid cabl network year espn contract satur coverag sca game shown complet quebec montreal and sabr bruin overtim miss gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss subject suggest flame not impress thi afternoon drop decis king flame neglect show zone king hit post flame line skrudland paslawski berub tell bad flame gari suter score great goal fact flame goal score men yawnei and dahlquist get made bonehead plai for king pat conach impress game chippi dan mirouelli lost control earli and never recov high stick cross check punch hit fleuri game misconduct for rub warren rychel flame domin game physic fail advantag due horrend defens laps don vernon can blame for goal calgari men roger johansson plai look lost imho hope king insert chri lindbergh paul kruse sergei makarov for wednesdai game gretzki left game period charlei hors idea didn return flame win thi seri buckl vlad impal
rec.sport.hockey	playoff pool updat compil statist entri pool unoffici entrant stat team pick win pittsburgh sweep boston detroit montreal toronto thi wasn roger calgari quebec vancouv washington hell hasn pick chicago quebec pick detroit absolut chicago odd loser detroit chicago pittsburgh vancouv boston calgari lo angel toronto lo angel you your mind good luck you you pittsburgh consensu winner stanlei cup statist beat detroit game haha that happen not pick will come true and pick chicago lose pittsburgh final tough luck you picket detroit tough luck geniu keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss thi game great part doubl header abc espn leagu push back back win magnifiqu and great network that that sca area and hard justifi pai channel gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	canadian team articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write center mark messier ranger messier not invit due nag injuri press made issu and attempt link ranger intern polit woe mike keenan repeat that messier person msg press confer make sens messier not declin invit made for public messier invit declin due nag injuri keenan and messier keenan dump steve yzerman last canada cup team even yzerman had endur train camp messier had miss essenti entir camp recov injuri last moment gerald
rec.sport.hockey	daigl kariya articl qsmhtinnt senat bedfellow mit edu ddlin athena mit edu david lin write hear daigl will pick year word kariya plai enter draft peopl concern kariya size lead team championship world junior and colleg and collect award watch interest will perform left wing eric lindro and mark recchi world championship month chanc not good that top becom probabl great world championship put top daigl and pronger gerald
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit detroit octopu symbol dai leagu era origin team made playoff win cup team had win two game seri word playoff win win cup octopu leg becom common detroit symbol year playoff time peopl start sneak octopu octopi into joe loui arena and throw ic mail jold vma edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april summari don cherri coach corner april place intermiss game montreal quebec seri pre game comment don pregam comment aim goali goali get back star form roi hextal can win seri for team eposod summari thi episod place rinksid don hold hot dog that bought concess stand ron maclean start show cartoon appear toronto sun featur pictur don shadow and proclaim will you dat mean anoth week beauti don talk hot dog hold hot dog quebec stadium food arena nhl don comment quebec montreal game game had great flow refere paul stewart call game nhl contrast calgari game terribl stop and minut penalti call calgari dan marouelli get that ref call penalti get ref final ron show pictur don plai for rochest american ahl don recal win that had quebec arena memori cup and ahl championship final don and ron discuss keenan coach ranger ranger talent team underachiev don feel for temporari coach ron smith had kei injuri leetch and patrick and goali cold don had critic for ranger team parti adolf keenan ranger organ will longer countri club acham tank adolf hang yardarm thumb rate noth special thi episod give allan sullivan allan ualberta depart comput scienc univers alberta edmonton alberta canada opinion mine and mine alon amaz can accomplish care get credit golden bear hockei motto drake
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov write subject suggest flame not impress thi afternoon drop decis king flame neglect show zone king hit post flame line mike vernon win loss that star game debacl afternoon game career anoth afternoon game lo angel sundai abc deal doom flame gerald
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star goodby minnesota you never earn nhl franchis place hope you enjoi your twin citi wide mania for high school hockei hei pee wee team reunion regina care come and film event yee haa golden gopher whatta weird town you stupid dork western busi school that cari asshol and you don you obnoxi antagonist shit network don you hike and stop embarras your school and canada kea
rec.sport.hockey	beat pittsburgh you beat penguin crash team plane ryan
rec.sport.hockey	abc canada articl boora sfu boora kit sfu godfath write abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for nanaimo vancouv island for you furrin abc coverag komo depend your cabl compani start switch cbc and abc broadcast final settl abc can stand don whitman and michael decent job plai pretti knew player name and made coupl rooki mistak that notic thing that surpris that never onc attempt explain offsid rule paranoid thi happen depart fight game coupl occas look fight start time abc cut show closeup coach mcnall abc decid adopt spicer polici lorn epp epp mala
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win articl apr vax cn muskingum edu jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki hawk gotta hawk can beat blue game that signific can wait blue toronto btw you that hawk deserv win that game you not watch roar leaf fan alfr yong jeh yim mathemat actuari scienc univers waterloo canada mail ayim descart waterloo edu
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can maintain team success can push level histori hockei murrai name murrai isn even leagu todai fail comparison sinden sather savard caron fletcher and quinn estim can imagin bryan murrai can hockei gregmeist
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rec.sport.hockey	ahl calder cup playoff preview daryl turner umturn ccu umanitoba wrote articl apr new clarkson edu farenebt craft camp clarkson edu droopi write atlant divis john mapl leaf moncton hawk moncton hawk island moncton similar team cdi low score defens good goaltend john leblanc and stu barn notic gun team defens top notch and mike neill underr goali leagu bri you sinc februari michael neill underr goali ahl isn ahl winnipeg jet injuri list sinc nhl start ottawa senat year surgeri repair shoulder separ stu barn ahl gun for hawk line center jet and sinc mid januari memori thought that neill back februari incorrect info guess thi moncton barn top scorer even sinc januari bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockei usa hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu congrat boston bruin adam divis champion phoenix sun pacif divis champion
rec.sport.hockey	individu winner doubter hmm sinc you mention articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu migod ture toronto edu mike godfrei write lemieux mvp question chip masterson selann win calder yep chelio norri you ask dai ago agre you give nod raymond bourqu plai time chelio get close second dunno win vezina suspect not potvin barrasso final get due close eddi eagl coach year tricki burn raw talent king good job flame underachiev last year brian sutter exception year team ditto demer page bless ripen and acquisit young talent darryl sutter good year for rooki coach berri made bad situat terri crisp work minor miracl and bowman bowman pick burn mildli bias your case that bia accept mine show norri pick even impress coach you mention pick arbour not folk thought isl playoff alon contend for divis grant that cousin broadwai and island mow lawn mike godfrei david kehrer dwk sunsrvr cci northern telecom na rochest york noth for eat six piec pizza dinner wife and not rememb had pizza jacqu demer
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rec.sport.hockey	european expans and cked system talk european expans think wish thought total ball leagu format us incompat that europ for that don team lower divis promot and worst demot european fan put you paid you can plai attitud long support team that run ranger base corpor think us term lightli don good product duffus nyc fill arena for ottawa record year haha had hockei and pro sport had similar system europ team ranger forc compet demot fourth divis team centr that aren big halifax adirondack halifax isn good exampl eventu promot and team somewhat competet divis unlik ottawa edmonton etc fan eventu reward for loyalti penal for neglect and leagu interest and dynam year influx newli promot team and halifax citadel win stanlei cup can dream can british european soccer exampl never fan problem think system suck barfli feel free flame account end todai hahahaha
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rec.sport.hockey	individu winner doubter hmm apr cci cci dwk cci cci dave kehrer write sinc you mention articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu migod ture toronto edu mike godfrei write chelio norri you ask dai ago agre you give nod raymond bourqu plai time chelio get close second kevin hatcher score roughli goal plai minut game dunno win vezina suspect not potvin barrasso final get due close eddi eagl that sad two second rate goali barasso and belfour main contend for vezina call crazi tommi soderstrom shutout for place team that doesn plai defens unfortun that goali leagu mclean essensa vernon had unspectacular year btw you award norri basi last dai not give vezina moog goali past month coach year tricki burn raw talent king good job flame underachiev last year brian sutter exception year team ditto demer page bless ripen and acquisit young talent darryl sutter good year for rooki coach berri made bad situat terri crisp work minor miracl and bowman bowman pick burn mildli bias your case that bia accept mine show norri pick even impress coach you mention pick arbour not folk thought isl playoff alon contend for divis grant that cousin broadwai and island mow lawn arbour king burn will win sinc playoff aren into consider regular season not beaten hartford playoff vlad impal
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rec.sport.hockey	finnish star born articl apr tnclu tele nokia hahietanen tnclu tele nokia write yesterdai game team sweden and team finland that plai stockholm and result for home team that noth special surpris saku koivu admit that surpris finnish playoff and team finland saku koivu light weight player size stat and kg and real two player skate can score nice pass even bodycheck watch size isn rememb harlamov and that saku grow last year saku isn that small longer guess heard tall moment and will grow petteri kortelainen
rec.sport.hockey	helsinki stockholm nhl expans articl apr abo mlindroo finabo abo marcu lindroo inf write polari utu franti polari utu write not low perhap sure not high that european nhl divis finnish team for exampl player nation team top class foreign two leagu tp jokerit perhap dozen player intern class even that settl for minor leagu you player intern class averag nhl team top player plai smaller rink qualiti european hockei poor recent year north american good farm player player place finnish leagu elitserien ship back petteri kortelainen
rec.sport.hockey	radio station articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write greania texa mitr org steve greania write not cabl and night cap don plai tune game list radio station broadcast game for nhl team advanc can give you coupl detroit wjr will broadcast coupl game wing toronto seri and sinc broadcast watt you pick dark you pittsburgh penguin game us broadcast kdka don whether will pre empt basebal and move anoth station not you can local basebal team aren plai time randi kdka right pirat game and will split conflict for penguin game preempt check wdve that dve watt kevin stamber purdu univers funni sig todai
rec.sport.hockey	franchis name name florida panther panther endang speci locat everglad coupl year ago licens plate made panther part revenu protect fund name presid panther announc todai yesterdai paper huizenga hockei team will ic miami arena thi fall team guarante two year leas arena year option that run not choic jame blosser lawyer and huizenga aid rule arena long term option nhl told can stai not econom feasibl reason miami heat basketbal team control skybox and advertis revenu arena reduc hockei team profit potenti hockei team attract arena site propos broward dade and palm beach counti lead site vacant land joe robbi stadium resid dai ago agre drop opposit hockei arena end year battl will compliment new sun sentinel jim fitz sanchez castranova
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rec.sport.hockey	pen playoff radio coverag radio station articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write greania texa mitr org steve greania write can give you coupl detroit wjr will broadcast coupl game wing toronto seri and sinc broadcast watt you pick dark you pittsburgh penguin game us broadcast kdka don whether will pre empt basebal and move anoth station not you can local basebal team aren plai time thi morn post gazett pen will carri kdka radio pirat plai pirat plai game will carri wdve wdve will carri game start tonight game fact thi season kdka will longer flagship station for pen penguin and kbl struck deal and radio right game like that wdve will flagship radio station season kbl will carri game game simulcast kdka remain game earli round playoff game will subscript receiv game you pai time hook fee and monthli fee dollar deal will longer radio simulcast will broadcast team and radio broadcast team word announc will mike lang and paul steigerwald contract kdka contract expir end thi season kbl presid bill craig hire lang and steigerwald lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain articl apr iastat edu njdevil iastat edu cire trehguad write anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen recent and mike ramsei time captain buffalo prior trade pittsburgh penguin captain and real captain lemieux plai for rotat season and even mario even troi lonei worn for pen jai john huber aka jai penguin stanlei cup champion softwar engin institut pirat east champion sei mastercraft boat for ski
rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn you leav room each time that night basebal game break back studio mention gonna show you hockei wife and hope for rain basebal game feed for tommorrow night point glad show hockei basebal anywher you can bet you watch basebal last night pete clark
rec.sport.hockey	travesti joe loui detroit april develop that shock knowledg observ detroit redw score six goal goaltend world rout win team nhl toronto mapl leaf leaf not fault complet domin inferior detroit squad and deserv win bias offici andi van hellemond and idiot that insist throw octopu ic stoppag obviou attempt distract superior visit side prevent massacr wing leagu team alan thi sweet roger sweet forward instal wednesdai night trust you
rec.sport.hockey	pick articl apr epa toronto edu sclark epa utoronto susan clark write fan ottawa won daigl sweepstak didn mention san jose had goal sen sen hunch thi ottawa pick not mistaken san jose had win ottawa tiebreak nhl win alan
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote antonio pera write love abc coverag product excel appear excel had sleek modern thi time heard thorn clement thought great request leav micheal thi annoi skeptic game pleasantli surpris coverag impress close rang camera coverag work corner and plai lose beat get back puck boi rip espn hockei coverag pittsburgh thrill lang steigi for you unawar espn bought air time abc and product advertis sale comment etc and even reap made enjoi caleb
rec.sport.hockey	for boxscor for boxscor nhl team for person research can michel arsenault
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain and mike ramsei time captain buffalo prior trade pittsburgh penguin captain and real captain lemieux plai for rotat season and even mario even troi lonei worn for pen had heard perhap incorrectli that lemieux wore jersei turn captain duti scott scott mark launchpad unc edu scott mark launchpad unc edu opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh imho rank time greatest blunder not mention ic blunder whaler commit eddi johnston and coach rick lei decid that franci incap leader and strip captain decemb organ read and lei and default owner richard gordon dupe blind side dump franci season start refus sign contract publicli humili strip and trade that spring penguin classi gui that loss franci and lesser extent ulf seri decim player move strip person and fan awar team that put precari posit todai gratuit good note presid organ acquir verbeek cassel sanderson poulin nyland etc strip roster lai foundat real live hartford whaler season ticket holder steveg cadkei
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rec.sport.hockey	canadian team thi point team for canadian nhler not playoff bound center geoff sanderson hartford sanderson will team canada posit center draft center and plai rooki sanderson score goal thi season left wing
rec.sport.hockey	result april gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto write podein interest case elig plai cape breton ahl playoff kovalev zubov and andersson sather and pocklington not total scroog make thi case massiv outclass paramount and york ranger polici player and minor leagu playoff versu that ranger hold back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton that whaler want michael nyland plai for springfield nyland want plai for sweden whaler allow nhl decid and nhl chose wc thi differ ranger and oiler whaler leagu forc nyland plai springfield
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil rex wang wangr vccsouth rpi edu spew stupidli peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker that you don attend renssela and that you work for that thi toung cheek thi mean that cut alumni contribut increas
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain articl apr samba oit unc edu scott mark launchpad unc edu scott mark write and mike ramsei time captain buffalo prior trade pittsburgh penguin captain and real captain lemieux plai for rotat season and even mario even troi lonei worn for pen that mike foligno captain sabr trade leaf wasn rick vaiv captain leaf trade chicago steve thoma for olcyzk and speak leaf that darryl sittler captain torn jersei claim captainci trade flyer yeah gretzki captain oiler trade wasn gari
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rec.sport.hockey	travesti joe loui articl apr mtroyal caldwel mtroyal write detroit april develop that shock knowledg observ detroit redw score six goal goaltend world rout win team nhl toronto mapl leaf not that not mistaken detroit score goal shot net toronto cream chees run continu that swiss chees watch potvin lean bill
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil articl lrw rpi edu wangr rpi edu write peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker didn smili thi messag pt team team you two team that tie point ident record
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rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag articl dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win you roland dreier dreier math berkelei edu disappoint you red wing earn victori easili watch game espn realiz that televis game begin second mapl leaf flat flat meanwhil red wing skate freeli and dictat pace game didn detect bad penalti call van hellemond usual good job toronto look expect for playoff game year nervou for leaf sake hope can rid butterfli for game game indic seri gonna quick tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
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rec.sport.hockey	west coast nhl playoff game eastern newspap editor unsympathet playoff pool don summari west coast game sinc finish late night for morn edit and greatli score summari west coast playoff game post thi group basic goal scorer and assist don bother time penalti shot etc thi make lot pool obsess peopl happi guess senat golf local paper lost interest
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rec.sport.hockey	murrai wing will win articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can murrai great job pick ciccarelli sheppard ysebaert how coffei and riendeau depth player give wing need top prospect thi year year wing didn even make playoff year and half demer stint that wing that due demer motav skill and clutch and grab style didn talent gerald murrai wasn respons for primeau not readi admit that horribl pick hire draft never made sens pick lapoint ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei not impress abil bench coach gener motiv amount talent thi team blown norri not anoth team norri even campbel confer that can hold candl detroit paper term pure talent gui not pull weight time thi year scotti bowman hand won correct wrong stanlei cup outstand coach and outcoach murrai face each bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank wasn primeau murrai decis gerald
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write murki new team usa roster name and team plai for list goali forward toni amont york ranger ted druri harvard univ rob gaudreau san jose shark craig johnson univ minnesota jeff lazaro ottawa senat mike modano minnesota north star olczyk york ranger derek plant univ minnesota duluth shion podein edmonton oiler david sacco boston univers darren turcott york ranger doug weight edmonton oiler edmonton oiler decid european vacat thi spring ranford tugnutt ben manson smith buchberg and corson plai for canada podein and weight plai for kravchuk plai for russian had nag injuri late season podein interest case elig plai cape breton ahl playoff kovalev zubov and andersson sather and pocklington not total scroog make thi case massiv outclass paramount and york ranger gerald
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh mom rick tocchet captain flyer for year trade pen john santor break surfac tension wild kinet dream rush grand design philadelphia flyer john santor jsbh andrew cmu edu rush king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesi gabriel
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire articl apr leland stanford edu terri garfield stanford edu terri wong write that jack ferreira fire eventu led kingston fire you mention consist vision shark lost that loss ferreira never head that work you person make personnel decis top not manag committe convent wisdom leagu that ferreira made move that field product ic exactli ferreira accomplish thi head ship lot heat explain thing had ferreira ferreira made trade had trade made fewer trade not trade sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can maintain team success can push level jacqu demer brought wing confer final twice year back had team give percent had talent had yzerman bob probert had drink problem time and coupl decent goaltend hanlon and stefan hot that can you name player earlier team even deserv star game yzerman and probert petr klima give break face edmonton confer final hard plai clear face team that simpli had superior talent wing that not final that time norri divis weakest divis hockei and get past chicago and toronto not impress todai murrai brought score talent wing that not year ago devellano and demer coach name ysebaert kozlov and paul coffei made definit posit impact power plai murrai built talent team hockei present except pittsburgh penguin wing goal scorer that can and coupl defenseman game worth playoff experi murrai fail that unlik you mention good don wrong not found for strong coach motiv team and give percent for full minut night last time made cup run team win lose reflect and coach point origin post team outmatch oppon term talent lose case thi year wing struggl that that job build team coach fail motiv case last run wing made playoff murrai gave oppon hard time beaten easili that good coach make for lack talent thi fine never that murrai bad that isn hockei even contend for that honor murrai great you claim wing won stanlei cup onc great you claim and poor coach you claim intellig hire coach push team level success murrai averag unspectacular nhl coach and pretti good thi true gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	ron franci matthew rush write award for back hockei great underneath hype lemieux steven jagr ulf etc ron franci quietli put togeth point season goal and assist game that acquisit penguin made sinc get lemieux apolog rick tocchet had hell year pen person time franci playoff two year ago back mario second line center franci rememb randi gilhen plai tough ac face circl skill franci score pass win face off and put into game night want glow you mean glow everytim ronni ic fact neatest thing pen person that can kei watch subtl thing plai interview recent that kid dad stress import plai two hockei that you learn plai defens offens and that advic heart breath fresh air arriv pittsburgh team forward for part couldn and wouldn plai lick defens difficult assess kei trade that brought thi success pen you mention rick tocchet and help and even kjell steadi thi team you almost line perman and replac extrem mediocr player and wouldn matter had pick top acquisit recent year tom barrasso ron franci larri murphi love put franci thing that damag pen lose barrasso mom
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april apr don cherri coach corner user allan sullivan ualber write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player thi clip shown local new pittsburgh last night kdka complet anim sarcasm sportscast second time cherri shown local pittsburgh new last coupl week time blast lemieux jim murawski softwar engin offic administr comput and fax inform servic jjm andrew cmu edu carnegi mellon univers offic ucc forb avenu pittsburgh mieux magnifiqu soixant six claud dai clinton clinocchio leav offic
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april articl allan swanlak allan ualberta allan sullivan write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player can you expect buffoon that pen draft kirk muller mario lemieux perhap onc time don cherri had insight into game hockei degener into parodi sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	nord hab rob articl apr mcgill jbe jbe musicb mcgill write aargh paul stewart worst and bias ref present nhl call total penalti hab and nordiqu nord penalti stewart nordiqu call penalti hab let nord murder rob patrick roi reason game lost and ron hextal reason quebec won come goaltend that goaltend kei etc etc kei doesn quit fit you montreal dionn penalti kind cheesi call face liter left feet throw elbow blame stewart excus avoid face fact that roi allow worst goal possibl even shot dammit stewart even thing bit call quebec penalti montreal plai solid game don clear traffic front net loss schneider will hurt even that team that blow goal lead alon two minut regul time playoff game smack upsid collect head don thi team loss kean clear zone prior quebec goal roi paid big monei plai look player industri leagu sakic shot demer start racicot game not that damn team read paper for dai two and thi articl patrick roi collaps let tie goal shaki and knee for rest night win goal shouldn didn wrap bad second goal didn scott young defend can rememb place you correct shouldn bruin lost yep moog look bad mogilni goal second left second imo neeli holi shit player speak great player man man can quebec skate haven team potent rush long time watch break zone sundin treat watch remind red armi hate team rest game didn loui win goal come powerplai penalti will cost chicago dearli detroit for calgari undisciplin marti mcsore wave gui bench avoid fight you jersei overmatch terreri heroic notwithstand mario unbeliev and jagr for reason show playoff hate that team dchhabra stpl ist piss hab fan
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rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write evan pritchard write that you incorrect roger patrick smyth and adam plai coach leagu front offic type build leagu not great player punch imlach contribut coach and greater combin name divis trophi owner player contribut delet honour contribut leagu evolut honour contribut glori sport stuff delet monei issu irrelev point that agre and that player that make game great and not peopl put ic recal author origin articl that start thread claim that dislik chang name for varieti reason roger front you flame sever ground that jingoist rant you support name chang ground that current name inappropri individu repres fwiw not flame warrant you enhanc credibl you observ that real question whether you idea chang name base reason for make easier for casual fan whether you idea uniqu division name base individu deserv honour imo nice and uniqu touch that differ sport addit not that chang division name will effect number peopl that interest hockei pointless exercis current name inappropri that separ issu not central origin articl addition whether not player orr contribut glori sport organ profession leagu plai thi case honour builder leagu oppos builder sport becom chicken and egg type question chicken exactli true name divis and trophi smyth and bunch kind nepot that put stein hall fame thought that thi nonsens dunno stein comparison justifi sinc doesn unanim accept hall will hold dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	hawk leaf lastnight articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write replai joe murphi goal shouldn count game end tie thought red light review presumpt find conclus evid that puck not net replai even rear evid wasn conclus that puck opinion impress that object find conclus evid that puck cross line and replai show fairli conclus that puck not cross goal line time screw dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn good wing plai let not give espn credit weren late basebal game didn anoth option eric sebastian pen
rec.sport.hockey	wing game qvo msu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau hit hard toronto player thrown left and not even wendel clark tough for wing tough gui wing gave goal low total for mediocr defens you leaf fan speak you team will probabl season end wing fan support quit wing fan lurk tend low kei and thought woofer suppos famili roger clinton rememb paraphras favorit star trek line adopt wai leaf fan bad leaf fan ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank wasn primeau murrai decis gerald team nhl like russian player russian strategi not specif detroit devellano murrai previou trade player team notabl memori murrai craven had good year philli leav not volum trade that will necessarili improv team qualiti trade adam oat for berni federko plain stupid even federko us great player time murrai trade work significantli wing advantag that didn sour injuri player involv such troi crowder suffer back problem never recov put scotti bowman pat burn coach leagu bench thi detroit team and beat randi
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu anna matya andrew cmu edu write thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson your boyfriend comment fact that clement walk for brillo pad hair replac therapi gui stuf shirt think greatest hockei analyst sinc howi meeker for gosh sake schoeni dai georg georg ferguson arpa ferguson rochest edu dept comput scienc rutger rochest ferguson univers rochest vox rochest fax
rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn not show surpris couldn find sprint car race mini car pigpen short notic georg georg ferguson arpa ferguson rochest edu dept comput scienc rutger rochest ferguson univers rochest vox rochest fax
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rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn reason espn show that hockei basebal game schedul for even randi turgeo plymouth edu joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain coll ann arbor applicon slb michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci luc robitail captain king season great back disc injuri kind awkward melros appoint anoint tgo captain immedi return not score goal for game luc remain captain season dvb
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu anna matya write skeptic game pleasantli surpris coverag impress close rang camera coverag work corner and plai lose beat get back puck thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson mom complaint for cameramen jersei pitt seri show shot not hit occass camera zoom check board puck slot pan back show rebound mom camera peopl experienc joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	ron franci not mention franci incred nice person christma break friend mine had xma gather two drove ron hous stai car shyness friend door and rang bell ron answer and friend introduc proceed invit franci parti ron declin had watch daughter reach and shook friend hand thi isn don barri bond thi polit thi situat georg
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rec.sport.hockey	ron franci articl apr virginia edu mjr virginia edu matthew rush write forgot thi highest point total franci had season had point season pen whaler franci last full season hartford agreement your previou post franci tremend and gener underr complet player love capit uniform center even pivonka good complet player gener underr franci impress wai ethic dale hunter ton heart and can attitud lot skill cheap shot and penalti minut not mention come import
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rec.sport.hockey	wing game articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write qvo msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau move probert back defens park ass front potvin night disciplin probert leaf want win seri perhap fresh clark hit ic end long probert shift and straigten for regular season intens not team forward will continu and park front oppos team net and inadequaci leaf defens thi regard didn matter playoff stori good team player becom pot plant front potvin and leaf rel unphys defens core will final expos weak inept hard work will long regular season almost point and leaf deserv credit for that playoff talent matter begin work hard gerald
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april articl yfoz wboq hyq andrew cmu edu jame murawski jjm andrew cmu edu write apr don cherri coach corner user allan sullivan ualber write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player thi clip shown local new pittsburgh last night kdka complet anim sarcasm sportscast second time cherri shown local pittsburgh new last coupl week time blast lemieux design point getter remark not meant for lemieux for gretzki bure etc etc and made remark last decemb lemieux diagnos hodgkin and leaf start second half roll and gilmour great season recogn peopl gerald
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu anna matya andrew cmu edu write thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson imho clement pleasant person aggravatingli pleasant opinion terribl analyst almost alwai wrong prototyp exampl jersei goal last sundai grew dick irvin color besid danni gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement you aren dick irvin long team involv not includ nation team york ranger john davidson bill clement dai gerald
rec.sport.hockey	pen playoff radio coverag radio station articl sfjv cmu edu lli cmu edu lori iannamico wrote thi morn post gazett pen will carri kdka radio pirat plai pirat plai game will carri wdve wdve will carri game start tonight game fact thi season kdka will longer flagship station for pen penguin and kbl struck deal and radio right game like that wdve will flagship radio station season kbl will carri game game simulcast kdka remain game earli round playoff game will subscript receiv game you pai time hook fee and monthli fee dollar deal will longer radio simulcast will broadcast team and radio broadcast team word announc will mike lang and paul steigerwald contract kdka contract expir end thi season kbl presid bill craig hire lang and steigerwald lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu nooooooooooooooooo mindschem thi ted simmon ain broke don fix mile home school year and will never pick dve can sort make mike and steigi static kdka thi reason for transfer duquesn and live home announc dve paulson and krenn kid georg
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rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank team nhl like russian player russian strategi not specif detroit devellano murrai previou trade player team notabl memori murrai craven had good year philli leav not volum trade that will necessarili improv team qualiti trade adam oat for berni federko plain stupid even federko us great player time murrai trade work significantli wing advantag that didn sour injuri player involv such troi crowder suffer back problem never recov devallano earlier and extens russian strategi and wast high draft choic young russian devallano succomb demer plead make oat federko trade deal that seal fate murrai made decent trade doubt due stupid cheap team brillianc part washington cheap pai ciccarelli essenti gave and carson big anchor team and sucker rooki give paul coffei for deadweight detroit fail thi year defenseman short will wast opportun manson and unabl pull trigger judgement that yzerman doesn that year prime gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn articl chb jethro corp sun jake rambler eng sun write leaf leaf support and leaf noth short miracl stroke geneniu hit pat burn you pat burn you prai for wing becom lazi and overconfid wing can lose seri toronto cannot win doug gilmour and leaf tampa bai leaf deserv lot credit for dilig effort regular season detroit put reason effort thi not contest gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai good comeback rog your quick wit and intellig continu amaz john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write prai for wing becom lazi and overconfid wing can lose seri toronto cannot win doug gilmour and leaf tampa bai gerald and bob probert and wing dead octopus leaf deserv lot credit for dilig effort regular season detroit put reason effort thi not contest wait for bodi cold start eulogi lost game game detroit and potvin not even that thought that leaf sweep wing six leaf will wing home advantag game cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
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rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai close roger banana avocado artichok geraci murki new kingston will er quarterback determin kid not happen pound enuff pint thi week back and check stooper idiot purdi column that worth leaf mean laugh depress read comicl mark mark spiegel spiegel lmsc lockhe cow palac epicent
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rec.sport.hockey	list tee time metropolitan toronto golf cours for mondai lee gaul csd uwo steve lee write articl spec euc noos ecn purdu edu stamber rainbow ecn purdu edu kevin stamber write woop thi rec sport hockei not rec sport golf hope you check newsgroup header time post steve lee univers western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo steve refer leaf and can expect hit green acadia axemen ciau champion donald smith dragon acadiau
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rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund canada czech republ russia finland itali germani sweden usa austria franc switzerland norwai april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin april quarterfin april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write for pick ottawa pick mean almost that alexand daigl will stai trade montreal quebec imo kariya alot leadership ncaa and world championship daigl didn show thi for junior team san jose will kariya tampa bai will for russian kozlov that defenseman rob niedemey spelt last name wrong last name niedermay jersei scott last name you guess brother rob niedermay center not defenseman not that shark will kariya aren appar niedermay and victor kozlov kariya chri pronger name mention guess that niedermay pronger that defens prospect calgari flame macinni for norri gari robert for hart and smyth edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton nelson claudiu leland stanford edu rec sport hockei contact for san jose shark
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rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl blue ci pitt edu gomer pitt edu richard coyl write articl apr julian uwo kirk gaul csd uwo andrew kirk write accept into western busi school not dork second person countri million doesn post articl not mean that embarras canada thi network for express you feel your thought doesn agre you thi not give you call asshol north star shit give peopl privileg call folk you asshol asshol offens group bunch loser you never heard western busi school chickenshit place rick loser you fuck moron never heard western busi school univers western ontario for that matter don you pull your head your asshol and smell shit for onc you can map uwo back hockei north star move for past year shit real team toronto never move andrew andrew kirk univers western ontario london ontario leaf
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl regular season final attend report nation hockei leagu season home attend report each qtr repres home game qtr will home game neutral site game not includ number sell out team name qtr qtr qtr qtr total averag bo buf cal chi det edm har min mon nyi nyr ott phi pit que stl tor van win avg
rec.sport.hockey	king playoff note stauber rate etc lo angel king note playoff stauber disturb man theme rick sadowski daili new barri melros decis stick robb stauber stand creas even bench for stanlei cup playoff not sit rooki goaltend want part team crucial time year fun time year and not stauber emot mondai work hard for that stauber accept melros choic kelli hrudei team top goali playoff seri calgari flame hrudei made save sundai open victori stauber upset sudden statu man rick knickl stauber had record and goal averag stretch regular season and wrestl job hrudei knickl won decis had bloat averag twice yank game onc for stomach cramp and hasn plai sinc march seri resum wednesdai knickl will serv hrudei backup and stauber will satisfi playoff hunger munch olymp saddledom popcorn supposedli close starter starter drop happen stauber wonder not that happi feel part thi team playoff perhap stauber eventu will chanc melros appar not convinc year capabl handl playoff pressur insist king goali futur melros stauber flub big game ask win thi season melros loss san jose dec loss york ranger jan tie detroit feb loss vancouv thursdai time thi season robb emerg elit goali kelli hrudei and didn melros elit goaltend carri ball you give mark great goali that isn satisfi backup not blame robb for loss you you walk your talk you plai line robb stauber great deal abil expect ouch that remark stung stauber began season struggl team hit mid season slump didn plai for month knickl sign san diego gull roster end expect includ barri melros stauber year star univers minnesota left school develop hamper string injuri last year two knee oper herniat disk back shoulder surgeri can expect lot wouldn disagre that doesn not barri doesn don expect perfectionist stauber acknowledg plai poorli game melros mention even didn plai knock bit jump you almost you plai good game you and you don you jack nicklau shoot and can you explain that that barri want explain didn come count don sport melros goali futur statement doesn mean stauber you and will futur game king flame playoff seri drew nielsen rate abc channel king averag nielsen rate regular season game air channel nhl san jose fire coach georg kingston lead team mark nhl season kingston past year shark island execut bill torrei name presid expans florida panther bobbi clark name club gener manag last night game win van van lead tor det det lead stan willi willi empir dnet hac net contact king talk king mail list king stanford edu subscrib unsubscrib king request stanford edu
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rec.sport.hockey	red wing goespel don forget paul ysebaert devil good team player michael mv cec wustl edu jersei devil
rec.sport.hockey	result april world championship germani group result sweden canada can geoff sanderson kevin dineen swe patrik juhlin jan larsson can geoff sanderson can mike gartner greg johnson adam grave can rod brind amour shayn corson shot goal penalti attend refere sweden min rob hearn usa canada min bill ranford stop shot lead canada victori plai game period start give canadian defenseman and rundqvist alon ranford couldn put puck slide ranford kevin dineen had great opportun soderstrom plai stefan nilsson had coupl great deke and set jan larsson ranford big period end scoreless edg sweden creat opportun second period action tommi soderstrom make great save mark recchi made backhand cross ic pass lindro eric time puck soderstrom make glove hand save minut mark canada start appli pressur swede sanderson dineen brind amour work hard and puck swede zone dineen gave puck sanderson skate screen swedish defenseman soderstrom and made wrist shot that soderstrom post canada swede pick game that and peter forsberg had shot that hit ranford post insid parallel goal line and gartner penalti and swede power plai jan larsson shot slot ranford gave rebound larsson juhlin post pass puck and ranford beat period start period swede pressur canadian danger onc close swede goal canada creat great chanc and arto blomsten forc cover puck swede goal creas sinc soderstrom lost sight that result penalti shot sinc defenseman can cover puck goal creas geoff sanderson penalti shot explain and put low soderstrom stick side close post excel penalti shot give canada ahead goal canada increas lead suspect offsid gartner vollei bounc puck past soderstrom make swede ran ga and couldn produc good score chanc had for period goal second left rod brind amour score rebound soderstrom swedish defens had mind dress room good game goali plai great soderstrom player sweden ranford even plai soderstrom that tell you ranford goali world comment game canada plai disciplin defens ranford point that easi plai good defens lindro plai lot and plai sanderson natur game hero two goal forsberg naslund bergqvist line sweden larsson juhlin nilsson swedish defens plai peter popov had task neutral eric lindro and manag thi ranger defenseman peter andersson final and that land germani hour game plai swedish coach curt lundmark irrit game partli swede inabl score and partli linesman mistak goal line inform follow below itali switzerland ita orlando penalti ita min swi min refere anton danko slovakia attend group result czech republ germani cze kamil kastak cze jiri dolez cze petr hrbek cze radek toupal cze josef beranek penalti cze min ger min min min game penalti refere darren loraa canada attend czech german and german crowd show discont throw stuff ic finland usa fin jarkko varvio usa olczyk penalti fin min usa min refere valeri bokarev russia attend hope finn can provid inform thi game didn game finn lead jarkko varvio slap shot blue line and soft goal for unscreen mike richter plai second period finn control lead warrant sweden canada goaltend tommi soderstrom bill ranford defens kenneth kennholt norm maciv fredrik stillman dave manson peter popov geoff smith peter andersson brian ben arto blomsten terri carkner roger akerstrom garri gallei derek mayer forward mikael renberg dave gagner thoma rundqvist adam grave mikael andersson mike gartner marku naslund paul kariya peter forsberg eric lindro jona bergqvist mark recchi patrik juhlin rod brind amour jan larsson shayn corson stefan nilsson kevin dineen charl berglund geoff sanderson michael nyland greg johnson andersson bergqvist brian savag kelli buchberg staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens tonight boston buffalo sabr blank boston bruin tonight boston boston can hang thi season buffalo home record awesom thi great buffalo fan reveng for last year delarocq eo ncsu edu afc east divis champion and afc confer champion squish fish mondai night footbal novemb squish trash talk fish afc championship januari you buffalo bill fan email delarocq eo ncsu edu can talk game insight etc you packer fan interest new green bai
rec.sport.hockey	abc canada plarsen sanjuan allen larsen write articl boora sfu boora kit sfu godfath write abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for call simulcast canada canadian station and american station show thing whether sport event cheer thursdai night canadian signal broadcast american station even thi superbowl commerci televis dumb canadian commerci for that last year edmonton and that case treat actual abc telecast king flame game earlier don witless whitman poor comment and not for hockei oiler plai augh turn sound and listen radio broadcast decent plai plai announc bart edmonton
rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai good thing wall soft rolli cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen recent caleb and not forget that jersei devil trade captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorsk man hate that trade
rec.sport.hockey	wing game qvo msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau move probert back defens park ass front potvin night disciplin probert leaf want win seri perhap fresh clark hit ic end long probert shift and straigten for cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	result april dstein oak math ucla edu david stein write russian and czech unabl beat easi oppon and swede beat austria open game effect pro arriv late nervous for rooki player and problem line click make thing hard wors nation guess that team you face open game sinc chanc upset greater reason wors team tough beat present han viru lindberg coach switzerland wors team refer franc switzerland austria itali etc world class goali defens plai becom disciplin unnecessari penalti us line make harder make run ga ic qualiti german rink poor convinc winner germani wierd anoth weird thing that czech plai entertain hockei err kid david alex czech roster includ club player come finnish german swiss alex that name for forgot czech roster home yesterdai don team for player you gui fill blank for player plai finland czech republ goaltend petr briza finland roman turek motor budejovic defens leo guda milo holan vitkovic drahomir kadlec bedrich scerban bryna sweden antonin stavjana sweden miroslav horava modo sweden al flasar vitkovic forward petr rosol kamil kastak sweden richard zemlicka jiri kucera jan caloun litvinov petr hrbek toma kapusta otakar janecki finland roman horak motor budejovic martin hostak modo sweden radek toupal jiri dolez staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	hockei hispan commun reli canadian tourist and transplant northeastern support team miami crazi espaeci you deserv citi team such san diego milwauke panther name can sell hispan deep doo doo rumor that tampa move milwauke
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag love abc coverag product excel appear excel had sleek modern thi time heard thorn clement thought great request leav micheal thi annoi hope thi lead regular season contract guess that will roughli weekli game feb april and playoff envi you canadian your tsn cbc dish pick canadian thing btw
rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai sun april jersei pittsburgh period pittsburgh tocchet steven lemieux jersei barr guerin holik pittsburgh lemieux jagr ramsei second period pittsburgh lemieux steven murphi pittsburgh franci ramsei mullen pittsburgh tippett jagr mceachern period pittsburgh jagr samuelsson lemieux jersei steven niedermay driver jersei steven semak niedermay pittsburgh power plai scorer pt franci jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphi ramsei samuelsson steven tippett tocchet jersei power plai scorer pt barr driver guerin holik niedermay semak steven loui chicago period chicago noonan larmer brown second period loui brown shanahan emerson chicago noonan roenick chelio chicago noonan matteau sutter loui felsner mcrae jannei period loui shanahan brown hull loui hull emerson brown loui power plai scorer pt brown emerson felsner hull jannei mcrae shanahan chicago power plai scorer pt brown chelio larmer matteau noonan roenick sutter lo angel calgari period lo angel sydor gretzki sandstrom second period calgari suter fleuri lo angel carson shuchuk sydor lo angel huddi taylor rychel lo angel mcsorlei unassist period lo angel millen granato donnelli calgari dahlquist otto calgari yawnei macinni reichel lo angel carson sandstrom robitail lo angel power plai scorer pt carson donnelli granato gretzki huddi mcsorlei millen robitail rychel sandstrom shuchuk sydor taylor calgari power plai special goal total scorer pt dahlquist fleuri macinni otto reichel suter yawnei period island ferraro flatlei vask second period score period washington hunter elynuik krygier washington hunter khristich johansson washington khristich pivonka johansson washington power plai scorer pt elynuik hunter johansson khristich krygier pivonka island power plai scorer pt ferraro flatlei vask buffalo boston period buffalo hannan unassist buffalo lafontain mogilni second period boston juneau neeli oat boston neeli oat juneau buffalo mogilni hawerchuk smehlik period buffalo mogilni unassist boston neeli juneau oat boston heinz juneau overtim buffalo sweenei khmylev smehlik buffalo power plai scorer pt hannan hawerchuk khmylev lafontain mogilni smehlik sweenei boston power plai scorer pt heinz juneau neeli oat montreal quebec period montreal dionn dipietro brunet second period montreal bellow muller desjardin period quebec rucinski lapoint sundin quebec sakic lapoint overtim quebec young ricci duchesn quebec power plai scorer pt duchesn lapoint ricci rucinski sakic sundin young montreal power plai scorer pt bellow brunet desjardin dionn dipietro muller
rec.sport.hockey	colleg hockei star roster post roster for colleg hockei star game east and west roster advanc
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write forgot czech roster home yesterdai don team for player you gui fill blank for player plai finland czech republ goaltend petr briza finland sign contract for landshut germani for season defens leo guda hedo muenchen germani sinc holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen tel email holger ohlwein mchp sni never put till tomorrow you can avoid togeth
rec.sport.hockey	request for list boston univ player nhl proud alumnu list player nhl can ey progress lot terrier graduat thi year hope nhl post send list note player graduat not
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire overheard that san jose coach georg kingston offici termin todai good new bad kinda like lack fire bill gibson gibson bill applelink appl chief technic spong applelink gibson bill appl comput inc shark
rec.sport.hockey	detroit toronto deal noth want want roger you keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write current vote for favorit goali mask pt pt receiv pt mike vernon cal clint glenn heali nyi toi espo gill gratton thi toni esposito memori serv correctli chicago god hope will never hear end keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	final season chl stuff final stat for chl for season central hockei leagu memori drive suit tulsa phone fax founder and presid rai miron commission mont miron market director jim goodman inform director eric kolb each team own leagu local intrest control dai dai oper work agreement and nhl affili each team each team salari cap for total player dress each team limit visa mean player american ignor thi rule you tulsa had american roster playoff team plai wichita tulsa oklahoma citi memphi fort worth and dalla futur expans plan includ houston san antonio baton roug rock paso albuquerqu tuscon and amarillo austin possibl dalla move houston and san antonio for thi fall baton roug and rock like for team fort worth fire wichita thunder arena tarrant conv cen kansa coliseum color red and black blue silver and black georg branum bill shuck coach pete mahavolich doug sheddan phone fire season tix singl tix radio announc dalla freez tulsa oiler arena fair park coliseum civic center color teal and black orang and blue tom koch jeff lund coach ron flockhart gari unger person guardian phone puck season tix rai and mont singl tix miron radio ksky ktrt announc bruce levin jeff brucculeri mark stone jeff bowen memphi river king oklahoma citi blazer arena mid south coliseum myriad state fair arena color gold and black red yellow and black jim rigg brad lund coach steve carlson mike mcewen phone puck season tix singl tix radio krec wwl announc dave woloshin john brook tom stocker brian barnhart regular season stand otl pt pim avg attdnc cap oklahoma citi blazer tulsa ic oiler dalla freez memphi riverk fort worth fire wichita thunder playoff tulsa defeat dalla game wllwwlw oklahoma citi defeat memphi game wwllww levin trophi final tulsa defeat oklahoma citi game wwlww playoff mvp toni fior tulsa special vote rai and mont miron team team dalla fort worth memphi oklahoma citi tulsa wichita dalla fort worth memphi oklahoma citi tulsa wichita power plai statist penalti killng statist ppg opp shga pct ppg save opp shg pct okla citi okla citi tulsa dalla dalla tulsa fort worth wichita wichita memphi memphi fort worth penalti record min game gross oppn pim avg minor major bench misc misc misc match pim wichita fort worth memphi dalla okla citi tulsa score period period period period overtim shootout total dalla fort worth memphi okla citi tulsa wichita star team posit team second team goaltend toni martino tulsa robert desjardin wichita tie alan perri oklahoma citi tie defensemen dave doucett dalla mike berger dalla gui girouard oklahoma citi tom karali tulsa center carl boudreau oklahoma citi joe burton oklahoma citi left wing sylvain fleuri oklahoma citi doug lawrenc tulsa wing daniel larin oklahoma citi tom mutch memphi tie sylvain naud tulsa tie regular season mvp sylvain fleuri oklahoma citi rooki year bobbi desjardin wichita lead defenseman dave doucett dalla lead goaltend toni martino tulsa score leader point team pt goal team fleuri sylvain okc fleuri sylvain okc lawrenc doug tul larin daniel okc naud sylvain tul mutch tom mem mutch tom mem thibodeau ken mem hall taylor tul naud sylvain tul thibodeau ken mem taylor jason dal anchikoski wayn dal boudreau carl okc assist team larin daniel okc lawrenc doug tul taylor jason dal fleuri sylvain okc dent ted wch naud sylvain tul sanderson mike ftw doucett dave dal gatti dave wch hall taylor tul nobili mario tul girouard gui okc cyr keith wch amario peter mem penalti minut team pim johnston scot mem aubrei ron ftw burton joe okc karali tom tul simoni steve okc johnson craig okc hornak ernest ftw neish greg wch fior toni tul batten john mem doucett dave dal taylor jason dal lead goaltend game team gpi min gaa otl save save pct martino toni tul perri alan okc zanier mike dal mindjimba antoin mem smith greg dal desjardin bobbi wch bellei roch ftw goali team gpi min gaa otl save save pct flatt brian tul krake paul okc loewen jami tul ocello matt ftw ocello matt tul total raymond eric tul hara michael ftw vasko steve mem trentadu rocco ftw trentadu rocco okc total harvei alain wch gosselin yannick wch gosselin yannick okc total caton murrai wch mcdonnel dan tul sauer tul clark joel wch wachter steve wch marc dee foster contact for chl
rec.sport.hockey	info unit state coverag sundai april pittsburgh edt eastern time zone abc gari thorn and bill clement loui chicago cdt and mdt central mountain zone abc mike emerick and jim schoenfeld lo angel calgari pdt and adt pacif alaskan zone abc michael and john davidson tuesdai april pittsburgh edt nationwid espn gari thorn and bill clement thursdai april and saturdai april announc edt nationwid espn announc canadian coverag sundai april buffalo boston edt nationwid tsn tuesdai april pittsburgh edt nationwid tsn wednesdai april loui chicago edt nationwid tsn
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two custom throw octopus ic detroit not respons dain bramag harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm cuni edu hzazula alehous acc edu
rec.sport.hockey	flyer thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr cbnewsh att seth cbnewsh att peter clark write word roussel shut shark and soderstrom shut penguin that immateri coach decis come joe you plai signific plai irrelev low gaa good team low gaa bad team context compar two goaltend low gaa higher gaa low gaa good team higher gaa bad team context compar two goaltend start not argu goaltend soderstrom that roussel can netmind gaa differ half goal per game that last night save percentag close and record similar and that don you can label roussel disappoint player flyer thi season you soderstrom plai competit that know roussel perform game score team pittsburgh defens kei san jose for roussel ranger game two real score chanc made great plai save mistak player you judg roussel that game alon you not judg roussel that game alon plai for past two season philli and that hershei opinion take thought that mark laforest never wendel young bat judg hershei talent sinc hextal era for ranger game you can save mistak offens player you rou had leg posit make save didn wouldn matter ranger player didn puck not goal breakawai that goali and forc shooter beat you tie hab you goali stand head that shutout that goali action roussel doesn game that rememb roussel excel job pittsurgh open night give flyer tie two time defend champ and not soderstrom senat that game again hab you can that montreal player had open net shoot point that game and flat miss mistak offens and defens part game never shutout happi flyer soderstrom and roussel and not argu anymor current game win streak and expect soar for year don want piss you point that you don sell ticket season joe dake microelectron union boulevard allentown flyer alux jmd jmd aluxpo att
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask tom barrasso wore great mask time last season unveil game boston black pgh citi scene golden triangl pgh downtown area river meet grace top steel mill side and civic arena back helmet pen logo fat penguin blue scarf current time pen logo and space for current logo tommi had design mask and mother artist paint for wear mask pen thump bruin game tommi back paint job great mask goali superstit lori
rec.sport.hockey	pen info need articl apr jyu mikkot romulu math jyu mikko tarkiainen write coach new alpo suhonen jet jokerit verifi bori majorov jokerit tappara vasili tichonov assat san jose shark assist coach sakari pietila lulea silver team elit serien wow that reason current assist coach drew ramenda hint that won back for new mikko can you finnish netter comment tichonov calgari flame macinni for norri gari robert for hart and smyth edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton nelson claudiu leland stanford edu rec sport hockei contact for san jose shark
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit articl dlmqc cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two squid tradit aliv kinda fish unh game custom throw octopus ic detroit not respons dain bramag harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm cuni edu hzazula alehous acc edu
rec.sport.hockey	schedul for week articl apr yuma acn colost edu mmb lamar colost edu michael burger write unit state schedul april devil island pittsburgh est abc eastern time zone april loui chicago cdt abc cent mou time zone april lo angel calgari pdt abc pacif time zone april devil island pittsburgh espn april tba espn april tba espn supplement basic mike info for sunddai open abc announc crew devil isl pittsburgh gari thorn plai plai bill clement color and morganti roam hall dress room thi telecast will primarili east coast loui chicago mike emrick plai plai jim schoendfeld color and tom mee roam hall thi telecast will primarili midwest and part south calgari you mircal michael plai plai john davidson color and mark jone roam report thi telecast will western usa montreal naitiv jon saunder will host studio abc will and close and person mario saturdai wide world sport edt sundai will nhl playoff regular network telecast year not count silli star game nbc for last year for sundai game abc will us mike goal super super slo close up player face face off espn abc will not us favorit toi ic level shot pittsburgh seat remov emploi case blowout progress pittsburgh abc will switch chicago game will come back pittsburgh game for updat game get closer abc expect huge rate hockei standard sinc top market involv metro area island devil chicago blackhawk and king stai tune mike ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger upi clarinet relai scoop toronto sun that star star that iron mike keenan come agreement york ranger for season interestingli thi come dai time sport had editori ranger pat rilei care happen season gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl blue ci pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph mcdonald write jagr higher franci had point and inform observ ronni franci had season jaromir jagr thi not jaro had decent year didn live expect bowman tend overplai franci time bowman style player plai hard time doesn disregard defens respons and good leader bowman reward increas ic time jagr can arrog and juvenil and displai attitud thi rub bowman wrong and caus lose ic time year franci consist reciev ic time jagr althouhg never stat thi subject pretti that jagr had point per minut plai that franci you add that jagr rate becom evid that jagr had season not that franci had bad becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic brad brad gibson internet gibson geop ubc dept geophys astronomi main mall phone univers british columbia fax vancouv british columbia canada
rec.sport.hockey	hockei and hispan commun articl saross starbas spd louisvil edu saross starbas spd louisvil edu stacei ross write odin corp sgi rickc wriglei corp sgi richard casar write you hard time sell sport commun that can plai account avail financi reason hockei pretti sport for white and white not hockei season ticket owner lowest averag incom major north american sport you basi for thi claim stat playboi magazin june percentag pro footbal fan attend colleg percentag pro basebal fan attend colleg percentag pro basketbal fan attend colleg percentag pro hockei fan attend colleg percentag pro footbal fan earn percentag pro basebal fan make percentag pro basketbal fan make percentag pro hackei fan make and major hockei player come farm boondock saskatchewan weedvil alberta biggest advantag that kid boondock weedvil avail ic san jose area popul and that popul serv ic arena contrast kamloop british columbia popul and rink myriad pond pool etc that freez winter hard find kid bicycl hard find kid pair skate and you california that born and rais trail british columbia town lot ic winter father radio plai plai for local team trail smokeat last canadian team win world championship back skate almost walk and plai recreat hockei for year last time you hockei leagu citi insur alon big barrier citi isn place that poor biggest barrier hockei citi ic plai lack ic big factor cost bigger factor kid plai for santa clara vallei hockei associ and thi season end cost per kid for membership hockei usa per kid for club due hockei usa fee cover excess medic insur and club due cover ic time offici trophi etc area similar fee citi govern subsidis cost stockton ic arena locat call citi area eastridg and vallco except redwood citi rink industri area bai berkelei ashbi and martin luther king stockton oak park sacramento older section downtown forget name street fresno edg town west santa rosa nice rink older section town dublin town rink and expens run huge electr bill and insur premium you want bui ic time expect pai per hour rink give you minut hour for your monei give you minut hour and includ resurfac time fee alan hepburn man doesn nation semiconductor doesn santa clara alan berlioz nsc thoma carlyl
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit david
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write upi clarinet relai scoop toronto sun that star star that iron mike keenan come agreement york ranger for season interestingli thi come dai time sport had editori ranger pat rilei care happen season rumour basic toronto base report that keenan told san jose and philadelphia that longer interest pursu negoti team ranger announc suppos happen tomorrow supposedli ranger veteran that had coach weight and proven record and messier respect gerald
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki hawk
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two custom throw octopus ic detroit long stand good luck redw tradit throw octopu ic stanlei cup game date back olympia wing team sweep cup game lot hardet throw joe loui seat olympia balconi funniest tiger fan threw field detroit toronto basebal game live california and folk watch had never heard hockei and incredul recogn octopu camera closeup
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win apr vax cn edu jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki you not refer maynard initi you norri final ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl qmtd innr iskut uc ubc gibson nukta geop ubc brad gibson write articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl blue ci pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph mcdonald write jagr higher franci had point and inform observ ronni franci had season jaromir jagr thi not jaro had decent year didn live expect bowman tend overplai franci time bowman style player plai hard time doesn disregard defens respons and good leader bowman reward increas ic time jagr can arrog and juvenil and displai attitud thi rub bowman wrong and caus lose ic time year franci consist reciev ic time jagr althouhg never stat thi subject pretti that jagr had point per minut plai that franci you add that jagr rate becom evid that jagr had season not that franci had bad becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic you for post thi person brought fact that jagr higher franci can assur you that brought exampl absurd comparison even team never thought that argu that jagr higher reflect two plai opinion franci low pure result ask plai oppon top scorer time fact that can chip point neutral team top center testament valuabl even suffer hand jagr for big fast and skill can even point matter inflat don wrong jagr lazi floater turn exactli time overtim playoff game roland dreier dreier math berkelei edu
rec.sport.hockey	presid trophi winner miss playoff jstrangi hora sea upenn edu jim strangio write articl apr mcgill ccdb musica mcgill ccdb write last time presid trophi winner fell last place year long time bet montreal canadian finish presid cup dai and miss playoff recal that playoff pictur wasn decid final dai ranger defeat redw tie breaker number goal for rememb correctli ranger plai empti net for entir game hab loyalist accus wing throw game recal gordi and delvecchio had flu coach sid abel sat and ranger swarm redw night
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rec.sport.hockey	keenan sign ranger heard new that mike keenan blackhawk flyer and gener siberian prison sign coach ranger ranger won presid cup last year slip bit end season and destin finish last lowli flyer flyer fan disappoint keenan decis interest cap connin
rec.sport.hockey	ahl final stand final american hockei leagu stand northern divis pt lyf provid bruin adirondack red wing capit district isl springfield indian haven senat southern divis pt lyf binghamton ranger rochest american utica devil baltimor skipjack hershei bear hamilton canuck atlant divis pt lyf john mapl leaf fredericton canadien cape breton oiler moncton hawk halifax citadel last year point total leagu record total bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak island beat devil tonight finish ident record lucki team that get face penguin open round can list rule for break ti
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team milwauke read report nhl move milwauke that milwauke nhl team thought pass stori heard recent thi second hand don true reason doubt bradlei center milwauke home milwauke admir minor leaug hockei team owner admir can rememb name own shell major fund build bradlei center supposedli approach nhl expans franchis turn thought franchis fee million high don whether thi stori true rumor true don for nhl team milwauke anytim admir aren forc build and you won nhl club and minor leagu club build sinc nba milwauke buck plai charli betz crai research inc chippewa fall cbetz romulu crai
rec.sport.hockey	beat pittsburgh articl apr guvax acc georgetown edu apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu write beat pittsburgh iii kevin steven fight call bob probert call tie domi call grandmoth kick ass yeah you grand mother bet joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write ranger announc suppos happen tomorrow supposedli press confer ranger veteran that had coach weight and proven record and messier respect interestingli keenan coach number team canada world championship roger neilsen interest ranger call balanc neilsen contract keenan assist roger good job mediocr player handl cinderella canuck year ago mistak plai ranger canuck last gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	patrick playoff thi jan brittenson write last year pen weak spot defens and goaltend boston boston doesn gun pen pen doesn defens goaltend and disciplin boston boston can you thi pen and bruin plai number game and number goal ti for and fourth defens leagu chicago and toronto second pen weak spot defens comparison offens second leagu detroit pen weaker defens and goaltend bruin that strong terri
rec.sport.hockey	finland sweden nhl team helsinki stockholm nhl expans finland jyrki lumm teppo numminen peter ahola don defend lumm and numminen jari kurri christian ruuttu you that ruuttu worth teemu selann compar kurri selann point high let make canada cup and world championship larg due effort marku ketter goali player list and luck lot decent player finland that wouldn superstar highest level valuabl role player guess that finnish canada cup team team nhl wow you don player gui nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even ag ruotsalainen main differ finnish and north american player that player tend larger rink canadian defend slower that defend europ and that success ketter and luck help that main reason that team work togeth howl howl gargl howl gargl howl howl howl gargl howl gargl howl howl gargl gargl howl gargl gargl gargl howl slurrp uuuurgh prostetn vogon jeltz marko poutiainen mep phoenix oulu
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak hockei guru espn island win tonit two team will record devil will plai penguin thi island won season seri devil rule for decid tie breaker includ season seri goal goal for thi order correct wrong add craig island
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit jaracz plymouth edu write articl dlmqc cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two squid tradit aliv kinda fish unh game understand octapu appar number year ago fan threw octapu ic and announc octapi will not occupi ic that and happen sinc fan cheer pick dead octapu hand and boo us shovel matt uva
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak articl ldi odin corp sgi enolan sharkbit esd sgi nolan write island beat devil tonight finish ident record lucki team that get face penguin open round can list rule for break ti not tie breaker rule island win god win island win seri and advanc ask interject opinion mater concern island mean come jet bad jet for
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl qmtd innr iskut uc ubc gibson nukta geop ubc brad gibson write respons debat season jagr franci jagr had point per minut ic time stat don exist properli analyz thi and had substanci becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic statist player ic team score lot goal and goal compar teammat plai for team and roughli similar rate equal good player can adjust vari degre success compar player team agre nice for nhl statist that you suggest total ic time miss stat jagr franci argument measur qualiti ic time you suggest useless stat for evalu coach player qualiti ic time talent good player low amount qualiti ic time team depth stupid coach doesn recogn talent and bad player lot qualiti ic time lack team depth stupid coach that think effect player thi stat flaw and almost conclus drawn player talent stat quit evalu player talent you displai ignor your unwilling that ic goal score not allow posit thing and evalu such gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write world championship germani game shown
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag gerald olchowi write clement pleasant person aggravatingli pleasant opinion terribl analyst almost alwai wrong prototyp exampl jersei goal last sundai grew dick irvin color besid danni gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement you aren dick irvin long team involv not includ nation team york ranger john davidson bill clement dai person mean that exactli clement and emrick hand pompou bull head arrog real turn exactli complaint clement that sometim talk want that listen tim mcgarver basebal game mom
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rec.sport.hockey	wirtz weeni dean new penguin announc yesterdai that will fewer broadcast game and will game sort subscript pai per view system yuck thi incorrect thi year pen had game free and game ppv year will game free and subscript basi you free game last year and will radio game you home and read paper full detail that for make post base wduq new sport relat item wrong ralph
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain quot cire trehguad cyt michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci cyt cyt wasn ron franci captain whaler trade cyt pittsburgh cyt and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen cyt recent cyt caleb cyt and not forget that jersei devil trade cyt captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorsk cyt man hate that trade for team captain trade year nhl edmonton oiler trade captain ron chiperfield quebec nordiqu trade deadlin for goaltend ron low second year exist edmonton oiler trade deadlin trade captain thi time mcdonald vancouv canuck right winger ken berri for garri larivier and right lar gunner petterson for captain trivia edmonton captain lee fogilin trade buffalo sabr wayn gretzki trade kevin low thi year trade ranger that captain edmonton oiler had trade present captain craig mctavish and wait and talk you steve answer short correct dumb free blue wave qwk
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl sm busi uwo lawren sm busi uwo stephen lawrenc write goodby minnesota you never earn nhl franchis place whatta weird town whatta ass skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhlpa poll partial stat result peopl send poll closer njd deep team two capabl goali and excel forward and defensemen shooter richer todd chef stasni master thousand dish power plai captain steven number plai and for
rec.sport.hockey	detroit playoff tradit back earli year win garner stanlei cup soooooo coupl local fish monger local joe loui arena that start tradit throw octopi ic win each victori leg sever octopu found ic dead brilliant market strategi shore demand for popular product hope thi help lang
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rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak articl lfa murdoch acc virginia edu cal csissun virginia edu craig allen lori write hockei guru espn island win tonit two team will record devil will plai penguin thi island won season seri devil rule for decid tie breaker includ season seri goal goal for thi order correct wrong add thought win goal for gerald
rec.sport.hockey	finland sweden nhl team helsinki stockholm nhl expans apr ousrvr oulu mep phoenix oulu marko poutiainen write finland jyrki lumm teppo numminen peter ahola don defend lumm and numminen correct for numminen and lumm teemu selann compar kurri selann point high let make kurri point low for kurri and for sel nne canada cup and world championship larg due effort marku ketter goali player list and luck lot decent player finland that wouldn superstar highest level valuabl role player guess that finnish canada cup team team nhl wow you don player gui nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even ag ruotsalainen main differ finnish and north american player that player tend larger rink canadian defend slower that defend europ and that success ketter and luck help that main reason that team work togeth that true game europ compar nhl north am rican small rink and european larg rink averag european player sweden finland russian tsech slovakia skater and puckhandl nhl colleagu defend nhl slow and clumsi sel nne that finnish leagu game base skill nhl finland couldn breakawai defend averag skater nhl alpo suhonen that nhl sel nne speed accentu clumsi defensemen admit that player come canada regular aren skil regular european leagu top european level north american lemieux class tommi
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write interestingli keenan coach number team canada world championship roger neilsen ultim hockei philosophi night and dai keenan believ pressur opposit and take initi limit system roger reactiv hockei philosophi messier will and plai for keenan thought roger loser interest ranger call balanc neilsen contract keenan assist roger good job mediocr player handl cinderella canuck year ago mistak plai ranger canuck last roger great assist coach bad blood nielson and messier mistak bring back even that role gerald
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat meaningless compar player minu statist anoth player context role and plai time player involv compar jagr and franci minu ridicul and absurd gerald
rec.sport.hockey	detroit playoff tradit articl apr reg triumf lang reg triumf thread canadian tapestri write back earli year win garner stanlei cup soooooo coupl local fish monger local joe loui arena that start tradit throw octopi ic win each victori leg sever octopu found ic dead brilliant market strategi shore demand for popular product hope thi help lang local joe loui arena you mean local olympia stadium red wing game plai fairli recent earli come mind rest post basic correct you meant local simpli detroit and incred picki that david nichol senior statist support specialist spss inc phone internet nichol spss fax correl view and spss strictli due chanc
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask updat articl acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu valeri hammerl write articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write result dai vote rememb pt for for and for you can turn vote and gui isn regular goali retir includ team for your time and send vote glenn heali nyi tommi soderstron rai leblanc usa soderstrom plai philli doesn mould mask helmet and cage varieti white that wore thirteen hour ago yeah soderstrom mask appear lot bigger averag helmet and cage varieti appeal josh valeri hammerl dai remind not hammerl acsu buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brook claud acscvjh ubm buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for devil pwwpz ubvm buffalo edu for take dumb penalti
rec.sport.hockey	stop maynard bash roger maynard articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write reciev annoi email roger maynard whenev post articl tell leav alon and stop post group email fill insult usual roger post and hockei info reciev two last dai wonder special roger try bulli disagre gregmeist you can and colleagu not receiv bad mail roger fact roger happen answer not hockei question and curios you start flame roger your nasti attitud roger and steve lee univers western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo
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rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write updat goali mask poll sinc peopl gave decid give pt for favorit pt for for you mail respons gave pt feel free send your favorit you vote mask you will receiv vote for player not nhl mention team plai for date result vote andi moog belfour vanbiesbrouck bruin hot time rich beskosti rbeskost east sun
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rec.sport.hockey	stop maynard bash roger maynard apr julian uwo lee gaul csd uwo steve lee write articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write reciev annoi email roger maynard whenev post articl tell leav alon and stop post group email fill insult usual roger post and hockei info reciev two last dai wonder special roger try bulli disagre gregmeist you can and colleagu not receiv bad mail roger fact roger happen answer not hockei question and curios you start flame roger your nasti attitud roger and steve lee univers western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo speak roger comment last night game you admit can make noth game sound game stanlei cup final roger push leaf even bother long time support good idea game wow gave compliment guess stop rye water give anoth
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rec.sport.hockey	minu stat brad gibson gibson nukta geop ubc wrote text delet minu mislead hockei stat not necessarili mislead you proper perspect shine exampl you penguin individu you will find minus that make common sens sinc didn lose game nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic you will ridicul number stat come statist show player enjoi game and not overanalyz excus tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto wrote meaningless compar player minu statist anoth player context role and plai time player involv compar jagr and franci minu ridicul and absurd gerald you for put thi perspect tom huot huot crai
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rsa data secur inc rsadsi california base compani special cryptograph technolog public kei partner firm hold exclus sub licens right patent and foreign patent cryptograph apparatu and method diffi hellman public kei cryptograph apparatu and method hellman merkl cryptograph commun system and method rsa exponenti cryptograph apparatu and method hellman pohlig pkp claim patent cover method public kei cryptographi two busi close relat for exampl person jim bidzo presid pkp licens thi technolog consider number compani ibm dec motorola lotu for us product pkp threaten and file lawsuit defend patent ripem origin creat connect rsadsi us rsaref librari and for reason author desir widespread us public kei cryptographi ball start roll peopl rsadsi interest rsadsi decid carri ripem ftp site and peopl start make ripem kei and contribut code ripem even won applic built rsaref award ripem public kei similar ripem public kei begin pkc public kei cryptographi standard identifi describ characterist kei bunch charact your kei lot peopl kei thi not mean your kei similar that class kei gener program length etc pgp pgp anoth cryptograph mail program call pretti good privaci pgp longer ripem and work somewhat differ pgp not compat ripem pgp us rsa major differ pgp and ripem pgp kei manag featur for user direct network connect ripem conform pem rfc and greater probabl work pem softwar pgp make attempt compat ripem rsaref librari rsa routin rsadsi come licens allow noncommerci us pgp implement rsa pkp claim that violat patent make us sell pgp canada licens written permiss disclaim rsadsi pkp phil zimmermann author pgp stop distribut threaten legal action believ that licens scheme arrang hasn happen and prospect happen futur acknowledg pgp user guid fact you live usa and you not feder agenc you shouldn run pgp your comput public kei partner forbid you run softwar pgp contraband pgp and ripem export restrict and cannot and canada export licens pgp exist ftp site europ and place whether you us pgp ripem document pgp recommend read interest such issu not distribut separ program can difficult find ftp site due liabil concern rpem rpem stand for rabin privaci enhanc mail similar ripem us public kei cipher invent rabin not rsa attempt avoid patent public kei system written mark riordan wrote ripem distribut halt contrari belief includ rabin pkp claim that patent broad cover cipher emploi thi claim not univers accept not challeng for pragmat reason rpem not us anymor not compat ripem pgp mime mime stand for multipurpos internet mail extens and describ rfc you can find newsgroup comp mail mime faq exist pem interact mime not clear peopl us stopgap solut mime type applic ripem order send ripem messag mime hope standard will emerg draft internet document exist matter ti pem trust inform system work version privaci enhanc mail for gener avail last heard rumor integr into exist mail user agent stand alon system and beta test don that thi simpl defeat secur ripem you check companion post ripem attack discuss obviou attack ripem secur and procedur will minim risk ripem main weak area kei distribut
sci.crypt	ripem frequent note vulner archiv name ripem attack last updat mar attack ripem thi live list potenti weak your ey open for ripem for secur electron mail not into great detail and almost not exhaust weak weak cryptograph secur mail gener and will pertain secur mail program ripem maintain marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu post monthli varieti new group followup pertain specif ripem alt secur ripem cryptanalysi attack break rsa attack find your privat kei case read mail encrypt you and sign messag your privat kei rsa gener believ resist standard cryptanalyt techniqu even standard kei bit ripem long render thi impract bar huge invest hardwar breakthrough factor break de attack read messag sinc messag encrypt de not attack claim you de bit kei and conceiv compromis brute forc suffici hardwar agenc such monei devot simpli read messag sinc each messag de kei work for each messag remain high kei manag attack steal your privat kei benefit break rsa safeguard encrypt de kei deriv passphras you type attack can copi your privat keyfil and your passphras snoop network packet tap line break scheme main risk that transfer passphras privat kei file across untrust link don that run ripem trust machin prefer sit front you ideal your machin your home offic physic access fool you into accept bogu public kei for oppon deceiv you into send secret messag real recipi enemi can fool your intend recipi encrypt messag bogu public kei and pass import proper public kei peopl common mechan for thi finger assum oppon not compromis router daemon such finger can fair amount trust strongest method kei authent exchang kei person thi not practic peopl vouch for you sign statement contain your kei ripem doesn featur for thi automat pgp ripem gener and check fingerprint public kei kei file exchang separ channel for authent playback attack even oppon cannot break cryptographi oppon difficulti for exampl suppos you send messag mic pem mode not provid disclosur protect alic that your oppon intercept and resend bob messag authent you tell that interpret context your oppon transmit messag recipi figur differ time oppon chang origin name regist your public kei and send messag hope recipi will send return mail indic perhap even quot unknown messag defeat playback attack plaintext each messag includ indic sender and recipi and uniqu identifi typic date good front end script for ripem thi automat imho recipi you that origin name header and sender plaintext that you recipi and that messag not thi can and autom author thi faq made modest attempt autom process gener and check encapsul header program includ standard distribut util directori local attack secur ripem cannot greater secur machin encrypt perform for exampl unix super user manag your encrypt mail plan and effort replac ripem execut trojan hors copi plaintext depend store addit link you and machin run ripem extens that you decrypt ripem remot machin you connect network wors modem eavesdropp plaintext and your passphras ripem execut system you trust extrem case ripem us your machin you total control and access carefulli examin softwar free virus and real trade conveni and secur moder cautiou user us ripem unix workstat peopl access even root access increas secur keep privat kei and static link execut floppi disk peopl will ripem multi user system dial insecur line will download messag system and perform ripem decrypt secur provid such mechan somewhat illusori sinc you type your cleartext password log you store sinc attack can log you and instal trap your account steal your privat kei time you us insecur line thi will like remain situat long system us quaint mechan cleartext password authent find nice put statement carefulli manag secur arrang plan public kei that potenti correspond can awar level precaut place peopl us two kei short not carefulli manag for ordinari us and longer treat greater care for critic correspond untrust partner attack ripem encrypt will ensur that person privat kei public kei us encrypt data read traffic onc that kei get messag make kind transform wish exist cryptograph barrier recipi take encrypt messag and convert mic messag sign you and readabl ripem not provid thi function latest pem draft specif state that such transform forward function work includ recipi plaintext mention will make for recipi redistribut messag awar origin natur natur secur cryptographi can never greater secur peopl
sci.crypt	certifi author question answer you access ftp ftping rsa login anonym document includ frequent ask question todai cryptographi document faq name thi document explain idea certifi author good luck john kelsei mizzou missouri edu ftp faq file and for jim miller suit
sci.crypt	rubber hose cryptanalysi sick part like that phrase threat long prison sentenc even beat can peopl give punctuat trip counti jail happen lock drunk stone crazi folk that violent left cell peopl
sci.crypt	declassifi media urban legend thi crypt faq suffici clear declassifi magnet media us for classifi data inform hors mouth suffici overwrit media clear meant retain control environ declassifi materi reus control environ nation telecommun and inform system secur ntiss advisori memorandum offic autom secur guidelin ntissam compusec clear magnet media type remov media magnet tape floppi disk cassett and magnet card clear overwrit entir media time charact floppi disk clear appli vendor format program that overwrit each locat charact fix media winchest disk clear overwrit time charact thi appli vendor suppli format program that overwrit each locat disk charact can shown that thi program work advertis user bewar program that purport overwrit locat not thi clear media resid control facil releas for destruct mark and control level restrict sensit inform record declassif magnet media type remov media can declassifi degauss devic that approv for declassifi media that type list approv devic maintain nsa fix medium for exampl hard winchest disk oper approv method declassifi disk pack emploi overwrit procedur overwrit address locat time write charact complement binari and binari zero altern fix media becom inop imposs declassifi media overwrit method thi case two altern procedur that us disassembl disk pack and degauss each platter approv degauss equip and courier inop media vendor facil magnet media disk platter remov sight courier and return courier for destruct secur site vendor can instal platter and repair problem disk unit destruct magnet media dod comput secur center depart defens magnet reman secur guidelin csc std for offici us thi and interest document that inform intend comput secur procedur can obtain free execut secretari nation telecommun and inform system secur committe nation secur agenc fort georg mead write fun nsa mail list gradi netcom
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target re colnet cmhnet org rob stampfli separ locat gain credibl seiz and you compel decrypt you simpli explain that you amateur cryptologist plai time pad and that file pad for second xor two file and pop copi war and peac judg recent histori thi point drop origin charg preemptiv find you guilti copyright violat and seiz your comput your home and your financi reserv feder forfeitur law happen that turn court anoth file exor your document famou document and you judg fall for
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sci.crypt	pgp gener comment neuhau vier informatik uni stephan neuhau hiwi mattern write lot stuff hate follow post perhap clarifi thing won flame talk factor modulu breakthrough factor mean breakthrough cryptanalysi rsa that factor and break rsa not proven equival damn conveni not repeat thi time admit that don group properti cipher essenti for kei chain thought can find that cryptanalyst exploit group structur that mean noth wrote note that long harder factor rsa modulu gener increas comput speed alon will kei length and modulu factor lock step peopl will simpli start longer moduli and safe meant that long advantag cryptanalyst faster comput will rsa for long time come even bit moduli broken fast comput not algorithm peopl simpli us longer moduli user and cryptanalyst benefit technolog hope thi flame fun stephan neuhau informatik uni sig close for inventori leav your pickax pgp public kei request note expir date
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sci.crypt	licens public kei implement regard your specul nsa involv creation pkp find that fail test occam butcher knife never attribut conspiraci can explain forthright greed hilari orman
sci.crypt	identifi secur file articl mash boulder rmashlan mash csn org robert mashlan write tarnold vnet ibm todd arnold articl almaden ibm long you trust end user stai your applic program long run system user can you can stop find load modul code your program and simpli bypass check for valid modul deviou user can modifi object code run program can run program debugg and chang instruct memori foil debugg clear singl step interrupt debugg depend instruct sensit area code thi assum person hardwar debug instruct type processor can negat nop ing clear debug instruct run code machin simul wrote senior project colleg can bypass and trace practic write softwar kind star trek holideck kenneth repli ken ei njit edu for thi elabor simul run devic sit tabl picard tng
sci.crypt	lga ncrypt sourc number request for code written asm borland tasm will tasm lga asm tlink lga asm code lga ncryption nick nassuphi code segment assum code code org start jmp begin ga particl assig bit particl move east bit particl move west bit particl move north bit particl move south bit particl move east bit particl move west bit particl move north bit particl move south collisiong rule ga rule and and for nibbl and for byte reflect rule swap bit direct thi tabl implement two particl collis for hpp lattic ga hpprule thi rule implement veloc revers need run ga evolut revers call wallrul particl hit wall head wallrul maxbyt equ lineno equ srcptr offset buffer desptr offset buffer savebuff maxbyt lineno dup buffer maxbyt lineno dup dup buffer maxbyt lineno dup dup data thi test for lattic ga base encrypt algorithm data encod particl digit ga time evolut simul cellular automaton type algorithm decrypt can achiev run simul revers thermodynam argument ensur that even singl bit flip decrypt data ga evolv for timestep can run revers evolut press space flip bit and run press for cryptograph applic kei consist number time step and time and locat specif bit invers fill ga piec code initga mov srcptr mov offset data mov lineno push push mov maxbyt mov mov inc inc loop pop pop add maxbyt loop mov srcptr mov offset initga mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr not inc loop ret displai ga molecul bounc showga push push push push push mov mov mov srcptr mov mov lineno add maxbyt push push mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr inc add dec jnz pop pop add loop pop pop pop pop pop ret sours data destin data scanonemiddlelin byte special case warparound mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sol mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sol last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc ret sours data destin data scanfirstlin byte special case warparound mov mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sfl mov assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sfl last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov ret sours data destin data scanlastlin byte special case warparound mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sll mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sll last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc ret invert veloc ga invertal push push push mov srcptr mov mov lineno push mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr offset wallrul mov inc loop pop loop pop pop pop ret iterateonc mov srcptr mov desptr mov srcptr mov desptr push push call scanfirstlin pop pop add maxbyt add maxbyt mov lineno dont scan and last push push push call scanonemiddlelin pop pop pop add maxbyt add maxbyt loop push push call scanlastlin pop pop ret iter hpp rule time iter push call iterateonc pop call showga loop iter ret iter hpp rule time iterateuntil mov mov offset offset mov byte ptr offset xor byte ptr offset inc loop call iterateonc call showga mov srcptr mov maxbyt mov mov mov mov byte ptr mov byte ptr wallrul not xor and inc loop mov mov offset offset mov byte ptr offset and xor byte ptr offset inc 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sci.crypt	illeg wiretap den trust articl ppg bigboot wpi edu ear bigwpi wpi edu neat write appar quit easi hold person call record phone compani polic and lawyer acquir such inform warrant judici supervis whether not target suspect specif crime pardon isn thi illeg impress that warrent need thi inform phone compani order protect peopl privaci legal not phone record obtain order establish probabl result word for fish expedit local worcest polic offic spoke coupl night ago told that subpeona phone compani record extrem condit hassl and phone compani requir written subpoena evid probabl order process request suggest that offic disinterest pursu your case even you prove offend had call you time your chanc win harass suit strength thi evid nil contact peopl dealt case extrem phone harass thousand call case teach that polic thi area quit letharg pursu such matter tal
sci.crypt	licens public kei implement strnlght netcom david sternlight write will provid hint report that rsa express puzzlement confer that ask for permiss us ripem write pgp compat program thi support bill specul backdoor rsaref and pkp support secretli nsa natur that will public kei implement that rsaref and will strongli oppos implement that doesn person cannot put backdoor long precis modular arithmet librari that come sourc fact that cannot mean noth regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	opinion alg markowitz dockmast ncsc mil write interest note thi regard that permiss export pkzip encrypt scheme twice deni nsa draw you conclus afraid that your inform slightli date pkware obtain licens export program world limit list countri draw your conclus strength algorithm regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	disk safeti measur cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write guarante that delet space overwritten optim like guarante quicker and secur method batch file that overwrot your free space for exampl fill bat echo fill bat thi top head includ std disclaim easier faster and even secur us norton utilti talk ibm and wipeinfo clean free disk space and clean slack space end file us govern standard option for care overwrit regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	licens thi support bill specul backdoor rsaref and pkp support secretli nsa natur that will public kei implement that rsaref and will strongli oppos implement that doesn specul not includ depend trapdoor rsaref not that rsa consent such limit concept rsaref nsa interest interest limit number implement target interest fix kei maximum modulu size legitim liter pursu such interest bound pursu interest covert mean rest not disclos motiv and intent institut not awar not intent meaning sens william hugh murrai execut consult inform system secur locust avenu suit canaan connecticut att wmurrai whmurrai dockmast ncsc mil
sci.crypt	for trap door password encrypt etc algorithm michael levin wrote for refer algorithm can us for password encrypt clear text word run algorithm and becom sequenc symbol want thi algorithm properti that imposs revers and long word work even us high speed comput send refer idea mlevin husc harvard edu origin encrypt put into multic suggest joe weizenbaum invert air forc tiger team demonstr thi ask expert request anonym us expert suggest treat byte password kei and data for lucif encrypt algorithm similar ident de thi method stronger care issu discuss comp secur misc longer password and qualiti control user can choos password common tactic tom vanvleck talig
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write for exampl had program disk creat total random file encrypt messag and demonstr that file question creat that program claim that fact creat that program stand true sinc innoc can prove wrong hmmm that bring neat idea sooo neat patent can you bill copyright william yerazuni aka crah merciless right reserv respons love smell flash powder morn smell theatr
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl apr ucsu colorado edu cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write thi creat bunch set random data and encrypt set random data show that encypt random data for kick rest delet kei friend thi establish reason doubt content encrypt file and abil kei sinc thi law that forc user provid kei demand worthless law wors worthless polic power put innoc peopl jail polic find don understand polic don return kei never mind differ core file and classifi militari secret plenti scenario user idea uniniti junk burden proof user show that normal upstand citizen put that situat america disgust thi easili peopl provid bargain chip hypothet alleg child molest drug dealer bad thing style time basic peopl don clear distinct crimin and suspect analog find loos screw your hous and insist that you build bomb machin gun you you and you prove your claim you explain such simpl term peopl start idea matter fact random file disk reason special purpos hardwar take long time gener good random bit program that crank coupl bit per minut pretti conserv time that you point encrypt random data you random data you want data encrypt file you put header peopl thi will put jail you arrest and polic for your kei you can random junk won you you sit jail you can consol fact that govern will burn cpu year find that not joe kean amateur cryptologist jgk osc uunet amdcad osc jgk
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl osc joe kean jgk osc write matter fact random file disk reason special purpos hardwar take long time gener good random bit program that crank coupl bit per minut pretti conserv time that sound program interest post alt sourc
sci.crypt	hard drive secur articl fkj rpi edu antonh rpi edu write can send info encrpyt hard disk consequ type action chose futur thi countri and european countri peopl encrypt note notebook for hundr year thousand long tradit date back alchemist noth bad happen assum that noth bad happen you thi long histori establish encrypt properti individu disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	licens public kei implement articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write guess will wait for time futur such good crypto that nsa job agenc will disband and file open appropr histor delai you overlook fundament truth headcount and budget govern agenc monoton increas function that truth you for agenc can occupi peopl and spend that monei crypto unbreak perhap talk world telephon compani into make equip break into and tap convinc peopl that distribut comput good idea that even intern state process for access wiretap disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target rja cam ross anderson write articl apr ucsu colorado edu cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write thi suggest secur product design approach fill hard drive random file and file encrypt number kei whenev secret file creat you delet random file and replac real encrypt data secret file encrypt kei thrash do file system step write minim file system program that us creat delet file decrypt ramdisk list directori put util password protect floppi catch that storag space us thi util not part do file system defrag your disk pack alloc cluster into cluster us back end partit hold your stealth file system leav small partit disk that not assign do anoth approach us directori that contain set invari file do system file for instanc due do alloc minimum storag unit cluster unus physic space disk tail end each file and end associ cluster dead space concaten and us hold your stealth file system you situat encrypt data appear your disk rai berri rai ol cdac rjberri eskimo compuserv
sci.crypt	sourc random bit unix workstat articl pivot sbi bet sbi bennett todd salomon brother inc write thi decid configur mit magic cooki secur for for thi work you stick bit that intrud can guess file readabl you client applic read pass bit back server want establish connect settl grab bunch traffic network basic ran etherfind greater compress and skip output grab bit can bit that can expect uniformli distribut and quit unguess intrud for your applic you can encrypt real time clock secret kei
sci.crypt	sourc random bit unix workstat articl psu edu eiffel psu edu nicol write articl pivot sbi bet sbi bennett todd salomon brother inc write thi decid configur mit magic cooki secur for for thi work you stick bit that intrud can guess file readabl you client applic read pass bit back server want establish connect settl grab bunch traffic network basic ran etherfind greater compress and skip output grab bit can bit that can expect uniformli distribut and quit unguess intrud for your applic you can encrypt real time clock secret kei for good discuss cryptograph good random number gener check draft ietf secur random txt internet draft your local friendli internet draft repositori sourc random output cryptograph hash function fed larg amount random data for exampl run dev mem slow random sourc random bit bound bit entropi ten hundr megabyt data modern workstat memori fair amount system timer buffer etc
sci.crypt	amend and password articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu ashal magnu ac ohio state edu andrew hall write postiv will correct wrong doesn cover not forc action that incrimin polic couldn demand that you silent bodi buri monei hidden can make you piss jar and possibl provid dna semen and hair sampl undergo test for gunpowd residu your hand btw that chemic engin arrest wtc explos thrust hand into toilet fill urin cop break door nitrogen urin mask residu explos found interest new report act not reason perhap privaci group discuss legal ramif password shot jimmi hoffa and bodi storag locker camden back impress that real judg dismiss argument that thi password incrimin year law school sophistri fact that you us statement for password bear verac that phrase you not ask incrimid you buri bodi you ask provid inform execut legal search warrant refus provid password akin refus provid kei storag locker that forc into locker that doesn mean you understand find point thing overlook search bear gile bear fsl noaa gov
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc not pick isn thi kind domino theori countri fall neighbor will sure follow and you mine salt siberia for not turn captain crunch secret decod ring agre you thi privat sector entiti bui crypto system that partial compromis kei escrow thi instanc privat sector entiti bui crypto system that had not properli evalu algorythm not public releas answer obviou wouldn hardwar not compromis de exampl tripl de suspicion that price will drop dramat clipper system not troubl that clinton administr not stupid cannot that fail realiz thi initi will fail crippl de never move can work coercion you polit you don realiz that thi step move make sens move ban severli crippl crypto not clipper system easili justifi want encrypt subvert govern provid you secur altern us jail fine can you reconcil administr proclaim purpos provid law enforc access encrypt data make clipper system crypto you simpli can and administr want govt hair for drug deal bui clipper system don sell crafti clinton type short can that stupid ban clipper crypto answer administr collect that potato you jump fast big and not face will bui stuff that doesn thi man hell jump gun interpret andrew tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat wit letter clinton white hous offic press secretari presidenti comment line fax april sir and madam object strongli administr evolv posit encrypt and cryptographi shock clinton regim increas lean authoritarian approach regard privaci and freedom govern oversight dai dai life appar that draft clipper chip propos incident gain notorieti big brother propos incred ignor sly knowledg nuanc cryptograph develop and research understand that kei step develop algorithm destin for standard full disclosur algorithm privat and academ sector proper evalu algorithm dep end care scrutini sector and such scrutini can provid true public confid secur algorithm assumpt that algorithm will accept base assur expert full disclosur plain ignor addit assumpt that algorithm will market technolog such de character kei escrow lunaci easi step logic chain that probabl consum will prefer purchas equip not crippl govern kei escrow matter tamper proof kei escrow cannot that even educ polici maker fail realiz flaw can assum that drafter clipper chip propos knew difficulti sell crippl system privat sector thi propos make sens chanc succeed coercion even languag propos make painfulli clear that logic step outlaw encrypt devic and hardwar that not uti lize big brother chip public larg not educ issu realiz lose expect big brother propos encount resist american peopl you will effici dupe onc pretti word harmoni encrypt and voluntari mortifi that phrase that us and character clinton administr can happen startl question colleagu mine pose and realiz that everydai becom and relev reichstag fire plan for concern signatur shaen logan bernhardt uni ac edu uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei junkbox iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past cryptographi not crime fight big brother propos
sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl apr clarinet brad clarinet brad templeton write your honour suspect suddenli start anoth level cryptographi and can tap phone call hide sign warrant search hous make that access decent crypto place can clipper voic clipper tripl dese voic copi your kei crimin us encrypt will cover clipper avoid thi will prohibit strong encrypt shouldn thi detect us illeg cypher transmit clear statist properti plaintext fashion wiretap detect us pre encrypt drastic increas measur entropi input countermeasur thi us steganograph techniqu put voic you can nsa built thi featur blow mike and observ whether band thug come your ceil pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
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sci.crypt	battl join articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write dorothi den wrong head idea administr even sooner fear lai long odd that clinton didn pull thi plan bodili orific nsa work for year that den and promin peopl happen start argu for such system like that suggest involv thi guess wrong apolog pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat not two week ago regist concern program that conduct student organis univers texa san antonio result interrog capu polic attempt creat posit identif file photo fingerprint etc refus permit thi and file complaint univers administr vice presid for busi affair boss campu polic state that had interest legal constitut implic action greatest threat face citizen unit state decad unit state govern level feder state local opinion mine and reserv deni time wwh
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sci.crypt	sourc that announc telnet csrc ncsl nist gov connect csrc ncsl nist gov escap charact org sendmail nist readi sat apr edt expn clipper csspab mail ncsl nist gov den georgetown edu hoffman sea gwu edu mkapor eff org rotenberg cpsr org rivest mit edu mhellman stanford edu alanrp aol dparker sri jim rsa branstad ti mgrsplu csme ncsl nist gov quit org close connect connect close note telnet csme ncsl nist gov connect csme ncsl nist gov escap charact csme ncsl nist gov sendmail nist rbj dougm readi sat apr edt expn mgrsplu mcnulti ecf ncsl nist gov iren gilbert igilbert denni branstad branstad robert rosenth rmr gene troi troi smid ncsl nist gov denni steinauer dd katzk ncsl nist gov telnet mail ncsl nist gov connect mail ncsl nist gov escap charact mail ncsl nist gov sendmail rbj jck readi sat apr edt expn csspab burrow ecf mcnulti ecf bill colvin colvin gangemi dockmast ncsc mil john kuyer kuyer slambert cgin cto citicorp lipner mitr org gallagh dockmast ncsc mil cindi rand postmast dot gov walker ti willi rand org eddi zeitler zeitler cri castro castro whitehurst vnet ibm telnet ncsl nist gov connect ncsl nist gov escap charact ncsl nist gov sendmail nb rbj readi sat apr edt expn smid mile smid smid expn katzk stuart katzk katzk quit ncsl nist gov close connect connect close foreign host telnet ecf ncsl nist gov connect ecf ncsl nist gov escap charact ecf ncsl nist gov tgv multinet smtp servic readi expn burrow burrow jame burrow expn mcnulti mcnulti lynn mcnulti quit ecf ncsl nist gov tgv multinet smtp servic complet whoi intern net org nation institut standard and technolog dom nist gaithersburg domain name org administr contact wack john jpw wack enh nist gov ft technic contact zone contact hunt craig cwh hunt enh nist gov ft record last updat dec domain server list order dove nist gov am arc nasa gov intern registr servic host contain internet inform network asn domain and poc us whoi server nic ddn mil for milnet inform
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl brad clarinet brad templeton write greatest danger escrow databas disk chanc that complet copi leak you hard backup consequ backup data not warrant come wors consequ secret backup data isn warrant come you effect secur crypto secret backup you effect crypto thi poster essentiali argu crypto secur crypto data isn warrant come govern will us normal law enforc techniqu catch crook thi bad btw bug isn normal law enforc techniqu privaci clipper will becom normal techniqu jim inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu
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sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl nmb cof new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write shouldn thi detect us illeg cypher transmit clear statist properti plaintext fashion wiretap detect us pre encrypt drastic increas measur entropi input countermeasur thi us steganograph techniqu put voic thi detect pre encrypt defeat can transform spectrum encrypt signal ad pre arrang begin commun function you can fft your encrypt signal think for pgp public kei finger mkagalen lynx dac northeastern edu
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write agre you thi privat sector entiti bui crypto system that partial compromis kei escrow thi instanc privat sector entiti bui crypto system that had not properli evalu algorythm not public releas answer obviou wouldn hardwar not compromis de exampl tripl de follow opinion not assert truth flame come background year senior corpor staff execut two fortun compani happi us crypto system suppli nsa for busi told secur de and resist attempt japanes french and competit compani and govern break happi even escrow kei provid happi bona fide escrow agenc feder reserv satisfi set big account firm trust nsa presid state trap door even happier committe independ expert examin thing seal secreci and report back that secur trust nsa long trust swiss japanes thi surpris suggest corpor feel pick corpor attitud that nsa part govern and support govern famou ceo put dai perspect anoth point view david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt andrew richard conwai arc leland stanford edu wrote can work govern doesn want sell oversea easi for interest decod make perfect tool for industri militari espionag lull stupid bui into fals sens secur you will notic that mention anywher safeti for american don forget you countri that wouldn russian bui appl secur concern ben bena bruce monash edu
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qovj umd edu louie sayshel umd edu loui mamako write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc excus thi happen coupl hump tent folk qualcomm trivial encrypt scheme propos for us cdma digiti cellular phone standard restrict place you slightli wrong dump encrypt system not export not not produc for us legal restraint citizen us strong cryptographi perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	hyster articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc not pick isn thi kind domino theori john gilmor point repeatedli you produc infrastructur that permit polic state function that requir suddenli find live chang attitud part govern constitut built men had risk live ensur freedom countri design system make difficult for tyranni aris for instanc reason fourth amend put make harder for govern make smuggl crime jest john hancock made monei smuggl rum drug govern everyon kei escrow and fbi get pet wiretap leav offic scheme coup happen dai world hour countri oppos tyrant monitor close tool place tyranni cannot stand tool thi place tyrann dictatorship successfulli impos give govern tool enslav you you can trust bill clinton you will that you can trust govern that will aris hereaft not will make that leap faith tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat polit dissid such acut awar happen polit dissid world world kill for belief call amnesti intern time find happen dissid world that seper place thin piec parchment nation archiv that constantli and erod such farc war drug coup happen countri that had stabl democraci for hundr year govern histori fallen govern last for hundr year replac dictatorship you intens that never happen that you will bet your life and live your children and love construct tool tyranni enforc make order magnitud like that happen happen tool place stick naiv fool such leadership can protect hundr that fail thrive democraci led men skillful bill clinton fallen dictatorship rome had thrive republ run exquisit skill men tyranni for unwil trust that never happen hubri immun happen perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt dan
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good dougla craig holland holland colost edu write mail can break your pgp encrypt call tempest truck and read electromagnet emmis your comput termin note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi lcd displai vulner tempest regim come fruition make you protect your amend right assert your second amend right second that jason stood van yell excus sir ain noth wrong thi countri that plastic explos won cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt descript algorithm plausibl explant can find that agre bandwidth advanc two parti standard share symmetr kei marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu mime ripem accept secur divers theori state that public avail good comput game vital maintain system safeti contrast secur obscur
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write not pick isn thi kind domino theori countri fall neighbor will sure follow and you mine salt siberia for not turn captain crunch secret decod ring for wrong attempt correct vietnam domino theori wasn disprov
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write summari elid system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt descript chip oper evid leav kei manag aspect secret kei public kei broadcast messag initi result diffi hellman kei exchang similar protocol describ isn clear whether implement clipper wiretap chip provid system compon hal finnei
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail articl apr silverton berkelei edu djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt noth come session kei and chosen you choos session kei exponenti kei exchang share secret rsa etc you choos chip will appar emit escrow header you
sci.crypt	corpor accept wiretap chip strnlght netcom david sternlight write follow opinion not assert truth flame come background year senior corpor staff execut two fortun compani happi us crypto system suppli nsa for busi told secur de and resist attempt japanes french and competit compani and govern break happi even escrow kei provid happi bona fide escrow agenc feder reserv satisfi set big account firm don doubt that thi will attitud corpor leader understand corpor exec don cryptolog and easi peddl snake oil and propos scheme major improv telephon secur exist problem that secur scheme thi kind you concern weakest link chain suspect that nsa put fairli strong encrypt algorithm thi wiretap chip strong de ofb mode exist kei registri system make kind attack small fraction expens build de keysearch machin origin describ sound polic court combin acquir kei for chip hope that not case sinc impli glare hole cost find crook jodg and crook cop for foreign intellig agenc organ crime boss even intellig scheme us access unencrypt phone convers will weak ness expens and difficult trust confidenti inform encrypt scheme that for crack time hundr de for complaint bit kei cost million dollar build keysearch machin for million dollar confidenti phone messag headquart worth nissan chrysler audi home phone major exec and import engin and design gee jone understand you had financi problem can trust nsa long trust swiss japanes nsa design algorithm secur like secur idea kei de system isn resist practic cryptanalysi puzzl palac bamford describ nsa employe turn foreign kgb agent despit secur measur that doubt big account firm match and nsa confidenti data not subject request thousand polic organ and court across land john kelsei mizzou missouri edu
sci.crypt	clipper algorithm secret apr iecc cambridg johnl iecc cambridg john levin write quot cryptograph protocol anoth matter valid reason for keep secret and hope shown lot wai thing that aren quit bad occur algorithm secret publish build physic ident clone version chip that interoper offici clipper chip cloner wouldn provid kei escrow hous hmmn yeah algorithm classifi militari contract similar govern equival militari for thi proprietari design that fed that nsa develop patent that patent publicli bet that that classifi algorithm made public revers engin compromis not goal justic read chip user cypto data reduc profit for select chip maker wouldn that bad danni bedlam dfl panix cmcl panix dfl danni lieberman box church station yawk yawk usa
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sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl nmb cof new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write copi your kei crimin us encrypt will cover clipper avoid thi will prohibit strong encrypt thi isn true todai crimin regularli us sort unsaf method cordless phone cellular phone plain copper wire analog phone that you can put allig clip plan and execut crime amaz stupid fbi keen digit telphoni law and successor clipper chip hope that crook will remain stupid feel safe clipper chip phone and caught brad templeton clarinet commun corp sunnyval
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write articl brad clarinet brad templeton write greatest danger escrow databas disk chanc that complet copi leak you hard backup consequ backup data not warrant come wors consequ secret backup data isn warrant come you effect secur crypto secret backup you effect crypto thi poster essentiali argu crypto secur crypto poster brain wrong gear you can infer sentenc meant consequ backup consequ easi copi databas brad templeton clarinet commun corp sunnyval
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write noth come hellman each user will choos kei that kei call session kei hellman alic and bob commun clipper chip alic choos kei and bob choos kei thi incompat suggest that alic and bob talk us common chosen classic public kei approach protocol kei manag descript publish incomplet incorrect leav idea system work hope cpsr foia request succe that full detail dan
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sci.crypt	corpor accept wiretap chip nsa design algorithm secur like secur idea kei de system isn resist practic cryptanalysi puzzl palac bamford describ nsa employe turn foreign kgb agent despit secur measur that doubt big account firm match and nsa confidenti data not subject request thousand polic organ and court across land don mention ronald william pelton heh heh heh embarrass nsa kgb
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow strnlght netcom david sternlight write noth slightest interest presid nixon typic exampl seep mind think that david sternlight jerk afraid that thi case popul will realiz gui nsa dorothi den and govern won battl you succe wake peopl nah that event happen fast cryptographi sophist issu and almost care thousand net reader won make differ million caught asleep sad regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
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sci.crypt	clipper algorithm secret articl apr iecc cambridg johnl iecc cambridg john levin write occur algorithm secret publish build physic ident clone version chip that interoper offici clipper chip cloner wouldn provid kei escrow hous hmmn not necessarili releas detail algorithm releas system kei call hellman that make peopl happi and sort verif procedur kei exchang offici chip work offici chip word secreci make physic ident clone version imposs secreci algorithm shouldn reveal algorithm open attack sinc unit share thi kei compromis big deal person wouldn feel comfort know that secret bit number held place that guarante secur compromis doesn necessarili mean that system compromis imposs whether not that true secret algorithm incident secret algorithm secret main kei margin import court order for not even wiretap steve tate srt duke edu reason mathemat enjoi special esteem dept comput scienc scienc that law duke univers absolut and indisput durham scienc extent debat einstein
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl strnlghtc pucl netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write you thi you trust richard nixon your crypto kei wouldn you mean presid nixon not privat citizen nixon noth slightest interest presid nixon you didn miss implic that anoth richard nixon type presid futur perhap not distant futur acut that mind you not object gov come decis not propos clinton crippl decis not propos sprung start place video camera sound room your hous activ your knowleg conceal you wouldn locat prevent you cover len open noth you slightest interest govern offici you sure not object such propos not anolog principl pretti close abil eavesdrop your activ effort your knowleg protect govern safeguard you can draw your curtain you can your privaci big brother thi for protect drug dealer and terrorist and crimin enemi state and you don unbreak privaci sort press releas clinton crippl decis put find curiou us word unbreak term difficult break proper author govern dispos wouldn want break illeg nawww not for peopl clinton can you mind give good reason that algorithm secret algorithm thi encrypt scheme joke contain featur master kei back door for unauthor eavesdrop even moder secur and govern meant requir proper court order and kei that escrow account deciph traffic algorithm secret hear that encrypt scheme requir algorithm remain secret effect not worthwhil scheme thi idl talk administr bullshit great skeptic and doubt administr intent and wait haven told gem administr mind for mail and datafil secur press releas that thi part comprehens thing data secur for unprivileg citizen perhap subject term citizen not that impli free peopl subject fit popul serv pleasur ruler thing for govern longer regard citizen boss anymor pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow begin pgp sign messag articl pmetzger apr snark shearson pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write articl qnupd jpm new intercon amanda intercon amanda walker write amanda intercon amanda walker jhess netcom john hess write great wonder new can listen fed hei statu quo worri fed tap phone high school scanner surfer kick eavesdrop cellular and cordless phone call polit dissid scare shitless fed listen call opinion sort that disappear slightli free societi and sort societi will ten year friend had phone tap thi theoret for statu quo you can cryptophon compani cylink todai and work addit number group work build softwar turn into privaci enhanc phone and work overdr mode and crypto restrict lift thi incremement improv for applic crypto restrict you can us you want point maintain that point you miss cover cellphon scrambl system discuss incident respond question that issu and appear that and approv countri will secur encrypt and dodgi countri will exist mobil equip will drop clear mode us system newer equip will us clear depend capabl base station cop fed not hold your privat kei listen cellular convers encrypt not end end cellphon base station thi that cellular user and fix instal can talk each for cellular cellular call transmiss decrypt base station pass anoth base station and encrypt cop fed can listen unscrambl call provid warrant tap into cellular provid equip reason for want crackabl system can listen obtain warrant clipper system secur and warrant kei escrow can listen scanner don thi rout doubt even true onc kei will never warrant tap into that phone whenev want judg appear wasn drug dealer natur stop listen you reason scare shitless record mccarthi hoover edgar not cleaner excel suck and nixon paul
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook suspect that thi clipper thing backfir gov big hurri expect that product chip will socket solder sinc onc kei hand escrow agenc chip garbag and will replac expect that will come pin compat chip that secur encrypt possibl even disguis that not clipper chip you us backdoor kei manufactur such chip part market strategi subvert escrow agenc bribe industri espionag and public fact not connect such activ like not legal publicli discredit escrow agenc quit creat market for secur altern that will revers engin clipper chip and knowleg algorithm will like fairli widespread back door weak discredit scheme and grow market demand for secur altern that compani that such altern will make friend commun lot monei that govern will make such plug replac illeg expect that will success limit avail such altern limit avail illicit drug regard ian amelin rambl noth employ necessarili advoc thing describ that event like place
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari document summar clipper chip us program chip coupl kei gener and escrow process and law enforc decrypt commun sinc specul thi new group involv thi project add that not involv found fbi brief thursdai even april sinc spent consider time talk nsa and fbi learn thi and attend nist brief depart commerc april document below result that effort dorothi den clipper chip technic summari dorothi den april introduct april presid announc initi that will bring togeth feder govern and industri voluntari program provid secur commun meet legitim law enforc heart plan tamper proof encrypt chip call clipper chip togeth split kei approach escrow kei two escrow agenc us and kei part need reconstruct kei chip structur clipper chip contain classifi bit block encrypt algorithm call skipjack algorithm bit kei compar for de and round scrambl compar for de support de mode oper throughput mbit second each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip encrypt chip chip us imagin that embed telephon secur devic will suppos call and such devic push button start secur convers secur devic will negoti session kei devic end gener method kei exchang can us kei and messag stream digit voic fed into clipper chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc block law enforc block contain session kei encrypt unit kei concaten serial number encrypt famili kei chip program and escrow clipper chip program insid scif secur comput inform facil essenti vault scif contain laptop comput and equip program chip chip program singl session scif locat mikotronx begin session trust agent each two kei escrow agenc enter vault agent enter bit into laptop and agent enter bit valu serv seed gener kei for sequenc serial number gener unit kei for serial number bit pad fix bit block produc bit block and us kei tripl encrypt produc bit block similarli pad two bit block produc and and two addit bit block and comput and concaten togeth give bit bit assign and second bit rest discard unit kei xor and and kei part that separ escrow two escrow agenc sequenc valu for and gener written separ floppi disk disk contain file for each serial number that contain kei part second disk similar contain valu disk contain unit kei agent take disk and agent take second disk disk us program chip chip program inform discard vault and agent leav laptop destroi for addit assur that inform left protocol chang slightli that peopl room two two provid seed and and second two escrow agent disk back escrow agenc escrow agenc determin will not nsa cia fbi law enforc agenc independ govern law enforc us law enforc author tap encrypt line will warrant servic provid order access commun line assum that tap place and that determin that line encrypt clipper will decrypt law enforc block famili kei thi will warrant identifi chip serial number each kei escrow agent and back and and xore togeth produc unit kei and decrypt session kei final messag stream decrypt thi will accomplish special black box decod oper fbi acknowledg and distribut notic inform base inform provid nsa nist and fbi permiss distribut thi document grant
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt articl qnpjuinn gap caltech edu hal cco caltech edu hal finnei write brad clarinet brad templeton write strategi busi legal push standard place secret standard and standard will drive competitor market will legal sell untap encrypt that doesn regist kei will difficult and not plan for phone compani brad analysi correct offer explan for encrypt algorithm secret thi will prevent competitor come clipper compat phone lack govern instal back door strategi brad describ will work long compat phone govern chip nice point view person privaci brad turn long peopl power provid encrypt place addit clipper privaci word passag announc make doubt whether thi will turn true even brad turn accur you can bet that administr will made clear vendor that interest institut voluntari polici refus sell clinton crippl equip equip author govern agenc and law enforc individu and corpor determin administr valid case case basi for effect system note that thi languag us gun control bill law administr push for support logic and actual rational oppos excus that fed media case item technolog question thi accid come philosophi that govern rule control peopl not peopl control govern that unconnect citizen not sophist for govern peopl not and idea that that common can defend govern eavesdrop unlaw attack total unaccept peopl thi outlook hal finnei combin thi push for nation ident card smart chip encod intern passport guis streamlin state peopl health care system and you can jewel come and see extrem omin trend will ten year late turn amazingli accur propheci lot peopl wake and hurri red warn light and bell and danger flag come govern seek set apart regard right etc unconnect unprivileg citizen subject shouldn averag person good secur system data secur not depend nebul safeguard for maintain that secur shouldn averag person defend agenc rogu fed break into data want work and logic not allow good safe duplic kei combin submit for safekeep govern don differ philosoph encrypt data won evapor not such high tech tool tape record pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
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sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write sinc wiretap chip distribut internation allow govern spy foreign govern compani and peopl wiretap domest citizen thi world wide issu put distribut world distrubut line you distribut keyword case sensit you want distribut world distribut line world capit letter wrong apb alan barrett dept electron eng univ natal durban south africa rfc barrett und
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sci.crypt	facin fact bit serial number possibl fix and den guvax acc georgetown edu vidkun abraham lauritz quisl write each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip hmmm thirti bit serial number and told unit kei deriv determinist thi serial number that mean that billion unit kei gener unit kei for serial number bit pad fix bit block produc bit block and us kei tripl encrypt produc bit block similarli pad two bit block produc and and two addit bit block and comput and concaten togeth give bit bit assign and second bit rest discard unit kei xor and and kei part that separ escrow two escrow agenc hmmm assum that gener unit kei serial number gener randomli select and intent assur fail safe for govern completedli determin and and not chang constitut effect master kei theft possess author complet obviat secur system interestingli for fact that and fix matter keyspac for not pick and random thi interest restrict kei space not provid addit back door find disturb that secur depend approxim byte worth inform that written back napkin even and chang period rational thi restrict size keyspac strang assum that goal secur and make perfect sens goal illus secur and not chang even remain secret can back deriv unit kei serial number pair assur that thi cannot happen understand skipjack work govern offici and foreign intellig servic that gain inform espionag will eventu inform revers engin get and advanc year time late sequenc valu for and gener written separ floppi disk disk contain file for each serial number that contain kei part second disk similar contain valu disk contain unit kei agent take disk and agent take second disk disk us program chip chip program inform discard vault and agent leav laptop destroi for addit assur that inform left thi make feel bit secur silli notion destroi laptop appear anoth bizarr distract that you can read data dram that turn for moment hand don gener unit kei and place weaken system don agent question resist million cash piec for inform worth hundr million you can make bribe arbitrarili hard resist and you truth thi vault joe random tempest shield room laptop comput melodrama design make high school dropout peoria impress for rest protocol chang slightli that peopl room two two provid seed and and second two escrow agent disk back escrow agenc thi provid let escrow agenc aclu and nra and agent person back disk and honest care nsa laugh loud algorithm regener and like don steal kei effect perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu lewi eecg toronto edu david lewi write articl mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu john kelsei write strnlght netcom david sternlight write stuff delet trust confidenti inform encrypt scheme that for crack time hundr de for complaint bit kei cost million dollar build keysearch machin for can bui de keysearch machin shelf for approx not sold that name bui circuit emul machin quickturn contain bunch fpga and program each de search engin let chip run mhz test sec time sec max week week averag can wait that long bui bigger machin can big brother afford such thing time tight budget don folk notic dorothi trust den gave real clue current state art nsa decrypto machin nsa told didn even want holder part kei that doubt trapdoor skipjack will never and doubt nsa promot mass market chip couldn compromis ergo nsa capabl compromis brute forc keysearch engin complex skipjack spec bet thousand chip chug crypto buster even ten thousand complex not such machin will fit into fort mead pgp bit idea kei inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu support privaci support encrypt
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt notic that clipper chip develop for consider longer month that clinton presid thi not that choos choos bush clinton chang slightest work for time
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl otuinndb dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write plaintext digit voic and exist for short time coupl inch copper top flatli not your bug offic can hear voic and even digit bitstream idiot plaintext that relev session kei you that you don room chip you you brute forc interest that messag stream sort approxim bug offic your room chip session kei chang morn lot easier for illicit wiretapp stick bug your phone andrew molitor
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not into consider issu polit impact public polici restrict linguist analysi mean and intent sinc your profession analysi will like becom part litig consequ second amend that analysi you make profession opinion that you will stand your reput and even will testifi oath support letter frame question test second amend conclud realiz that ask you major respons and task thi letter citizen vital import extract actual mean second amend that your analysi not affect polit import result that you thi that import letter and phone call discuss term for such analysi never discuss opinion second amend gun control polit subject professor copperud follow analysi into insert question for sake clariti copperud word regul militia secur free state contrari interpret cite your letter juli constitut present participl claus us adject modifi militia main claus sentenc subject verb and bear arm assert essenti for maintain militia repli your number question schulman can sentenc interpret grant and bear arm sole regul militia copperud sentenc not restrict and bear arm state impli possess peopl simpli make posit statement respect peopl schulman peopl and bear arm grant word second amend second amend assum preexist peopl and bear arm and state that such not infring copperud not grant amend exist assum thrust sentenc that preserv inviol for sake ensur militia schulman peopl and bear arm condit whether not regul militia fact secur free state and that condit not exist statement peopl and bear arm not infring null and void copperud such condit express impli and bear arm not amend depend exist militia condit state impli relat and bear arm and necess regul militia requisit secur free state and bear arm deem uncondit entir sentenc schulman claus regul militia secur free state grant govern place condit peopl and bear arm such deem uncondit mean entir sentenc copperud assum exist and uncondit previous state invok specif for sake militia schulman phrase regul militia mean equip organ drill educ subject regul superior author copperud phrase mean subject regul superior author thi accord desir writer for civilian control militari schulman you account chang mean word usag sinc that sentenc written year ago not into account histor interpret intent author issu can separ copperud knowledg chang mean word usag that affect mean amend written todai put sinc regul militia tot secur free state peopl and bear arm not abridg schulman scientif control thi analysi you compar your analysi text second amend sentenc school elector secur free state peopl and read book not infring question for usag analysi thi sentenc grammat structur and usag thi sentenc and word modifi each ident second amend sentenc and thi sentenc interpret restrict peopl and read book educ elector for exampl regist voter high school diploma copperud your scientif control sentenc precis parallel amend grammat structur noth your sentenc that impli possibl restrict interpret professor copperud had addit comment cover letter human curios made specul effort decid materi us unabl reach conclus told top expert american usag knew constitut unit state uncondition protect peopl and bear arm forbid govern form constitut abridg that write thi attempt coup constitut govern soviet union fail appar will peopl that part world free caprici tyranni stronger guard desir maintain monopoli dictatori power and unit state elect lawmak judg and appoint offici pledg defend constitut unit state ignor margin prevar second amend routin american citizen put american prison for carri arm own arm forbidden sort fail satisfi bureaucrat requir own and carri firearm abridg uncondit peopl and bear arm guarante constitut and even american civil liberti union aclu staunch defend rest bill right stand and noth and bear arm preserv that will can will beg elect repres not right and continu repres will continu obei judg decid that second amend doesn mean mean mean mean orwellian doublespeak will simpli and bear arm choic constitut unit state promis can and pledg that will defend that promis live fortun and sacr honor gun week and second amend foundat inform reproduct entir articl herebi author provid author gun week and second amend foundat credit right reserv author neil schulman award win author novel endors anthoni burgess and nobel economist milton friedman and writer cb twilight zone episod time travel historian prevent jfk assassin founder and presid softserv publish publish compani distribut paperless book person comput and modem recent schulman found committe enforc second amend cesa intend individu and bear arm recogn constitut protect equal afford fourth ninth and fourteenth amend end includ articl can you honestli second state run militia pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt articl bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg write rlward afterlif ncsc mil robert ward write and sinc constitut guarante american bear arm not american entitl matter you read applic part constitut and interpret context btw amend post time ago not post thi misinterpret refer peopl organ militia not for individu carri handgun grenad and assault rifl month ago express belief that mean shoot your neighbor not that ensur peopl free and flame lot american gun support thought that never mind crippl chip pure american problem deal mess want share you bit experi live year totalitarian regim bulgarian thought that you your experi bulgarian regim highli relev peopl head sand cannot happen constitut right trash dai govern justifi end run protect crisi requir drastic action like that futur possess secur encrypt tool will regard possess terrorist and drug dealer tool and fedar feloni common tool burgular tool polic common comput program even comput hacker tool and will becom terrorist tool bet insight live throught thi import soviet union and client state individu right privaci and freedom concern rest world rememb world order will not year post you find that defici that threaten right thi thing for exampl convers suspect and lawyer will longer privat big brother eavesdrop polit dissent allreadi danger thi countri take govern decid that peopl will becom guilti plot overthrow govern illeg mean phrase illeg mean defin govern defin coupl thi clinton press for smart nation card intern passport ad wrinkl that you and your past can put and you can govern word sinc will mean complet read and reprogram thing isn that nice fed can bust into safe kei owner safe broken into break into your secur phone convers store transmit data futur you know account legal window safe legal can kei suspect can kei safe combin suspect encrypt record warrant decod kei obtain suspect thi clinton crippl natur extens will make privilig commun client and lawyer and meaning polit dissent virtual imposs gener idea propeganda secur and safeguard and that that propeganda reassur peopl will into thi monstros don sucker big brother listen regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	open letter clinton articl bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg write strnlght netcom david sternlight write simpl convert clipper propos unexception make voluntari you not read propos that voluntari program thi doesn make desir that you high qualiti secur nsa classifi technolog you agre escrow your kei you your secur you nsa make you trust yeah you your you that tomorrow will not outlaw encrypr devic that don us technolog promis you gee not even that read propos minor nitpick not propos decis point view deal chip manufactur budget thing that upset thi secret didn want peopl late agre you percent come take live eastern bloc remind preciou and fragil liberti good work hopefulli you will wake regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl rrtd agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write true privaci chip for exampl real time voic encrypt rsa silicon compil and spit asic put thi chip market facto standard for intern busi diplomat and privat commun ban make and import japanes german dutch taiwanes korean etc electron compani don want nsa spy worker lose job govern fascist stupid countri law import crypto gear licens scheme won work not legal such countri includ franc and david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method articl eachu apr spectr mitr org eachu spectr mitr org robert eachu write you make custom equip case not roll your clipper implement and report wrong kei escrow agenc tell chip busi thi thing nsa and hide nsa thi won work checksum kei you don will regist clipper chip and substitut counterfeit serial number contain checksum chanc govern thought thi and won permit access intern make fake clipper chip chanc that govern classifi detail intern high level and manufactur requir observ secur safeguard and clearanc that level not perfect prevent joe hacker roll spoof chip sinc not counterfeit can surviv background investig notori style dissid for exampl head high tall grass that chanc get clearanc not imposs that thi extrem difficult chanc will heavi crimin penalti for phoni clipper chip nation secur classifi info ground make game not worth candl david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl warlord apr deathtongu mit edu warlord mit edu derek atkin write point not specif instanc wiretap chip govern tell you that want copi your hous kei safe deposit box kei etc and tell you that wont us total neccessari wouldn want that encrypt govrnment tell you that you want us product manufactur trust pair escrow agenc kei thi situat car maker kei car can quickli vin number and doubt that present court order surrend copi govern chanc that locksmith code number for hous lock instal and emerg can cut kei provid such kei govern pursuant court order state difficulti gain access your safe deposit box court order bad analog thi not argu for propos distinct requir think hous kei safe deposit kei etc david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl apr silverton berkelei edu djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write want organ will combat such statement encrypt not threaten public safeti ski mask american entitl us strong encrypt ensur privaci and not crippl kei escrow system guess for leagu for cryptograph freedom nation cryptographi associ excel idea extent eff serv thi purpos organ exist don full scope activ eff lobbi for strong cryptographi distinct organ eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers horror stori content group exploit pictur possibl underag model surfac press white hous bulletin rais specter drug deal and terror step remov crypto wield child molest argument eff lobbi effort for cryptographi easili derail connect child pornographi and similarli lpf connect stallman and gnu project light gnu manifesto thi mean that public debat stand label communist anarchist hacker radic etc don cpsr offshoot physician for social respons for helen caldicott and hyster antinuclear lobbi carri unwelcom polit baggag perhap for practic reason lobbi organ for cryptographi form umbrella eff exist group charter distinct independ and limit advocaci for cryptographi reiter dan bernstein question suitabl organ exist not you mention danger unwelcom polit associ remiss not suggest opposit direct gather support nra emphas rkba side issu amend side tal kubo math harvard edu
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur gtoal gtoal graham toal write imposs approv attach crypto devic phone network that plug phone socket approv for reason crypto devic never what differ bi modem and bi modem not silli point that modem that approv for data transmiss will work fine transmit scrambl vocod voic perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write not lawyer correct wrong that consid obstruct justic land you prison for quit thing that great secret kei idea encrypt even fbi kei sol magic word forc you give your pass phrase oop forgot sinc burden proof prosecut thi countri you your mouth shut can prove that you didn forget your pass phrase doug obstruct justic blah blah blah forgot lie bad moral point view you law good and admittedli peopl not even thi provid govern prosecut you crimin you can plead amendm and legal avoid reveal your kei govern cannot demand inform crimin defend tend incrimin that defend thi never appli cryptographi context can obviou applic thi common suggest thi group not love hear peopl sinc don read thi group and sinc subject matter legal cryptoid misc legal comput place steve steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl ninnebn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl hxv demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write complet baffl dorothi den chosen throw academ respect thi remark for time interest member academia and remark noth elev respect ey remain whether you radic fring gener error assum that your belief held major even sizabl minor you ten nai dozen peopl usenet agre you peopl usenet special bunch live net futur cultur usenett rapid electron access inform societi gener depend cnn can hope can make thi inform access public radic fring major destroi fabric thi countri freedom never easili won thoma
sci.crypt	keep your mouth shut hard drive secur articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write theori anoth case woman held contempt for refus reveal locat child even take thi case woman suspect murder kid take wasn surpris guilti that not good system you not suppos forc suspect confess crime matter strongli you guilti you develop your evid independ catch crook cost turn clock back middl ag confess routin tortur suspect guilti and innoc read thread post add phil infom discuss caveat amend appli crinial case person compel crimin case wit father su for custodi children case civil and defend mother not amend protect oddli refus give inform civil case can lead crimin contempt charg land jail interest part thi that murder trial woman can plead locat child thi routin comput crime prosecut fertil ground for thi kind defens suit parti injur hacker not accus for exampl send encrypt kiddi porn net protect kei accus send copyright materi proababl will not copyright infring not crime technic sens tricki question naughti boi that can govern us inform gain civil trial kei gain access file for us crimin prosecut answer lord thi work steve steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	don fight clipper chip subvert replac marc thibault marc tanda isi org write jester write proof window viru widespread eat your disk space slow your comput take control your comput perform disk access random time displai silli messag your screen randomli crash comput vesselin thi sound version unix solari live switch suno solari heartili agre thi obcrypt main gripe solari braindead mailx almost mail you hope crash horribl you us pgp capabl sendmail replac jason stood van yell excus sir ain noth wrong thi countri that plastic explos won cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
sci.crypt	amend and password articl apr sugra ken sugra kenneth write articl apr linu mitr org ptrei bistromath mitr org peter trei write judg grant you immun learn kei you keyphras confess deliber evad copyright file encod thi keyphras contain illeg scan copyright peanut strip can us murder copyright violat thing straight appli crimin case copyright infring not civil steve wast bandwidth quibbl don want confus bunch kiddi porn gif make test case bunch peanut strip and that crimin posess and distribut steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi kubo zariski harvard edu tal kubo write eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers justic william brennan thurgood marshal john paul steven and byron white associ plural suprem court decis that prevent remov anti american anti christian anti semit and plain filthi book public high school librari board educ pico thi mean that longer defend free express and privaci carl carl kadi not repres organ thi kadi uiuc edu
sci.crypt	estim wiretap cost benefit rlglend netcom robert lewi glenden write articl apr krono arc nasa gov hanson krono arc nasa gov robin hanson write attempt write polici paper examin whether propos wiretap clipper chip cost effect tool for polic investig that ignor concern govern intrus into individu privaci easi wiretap investig greater cost commun industri and custom support thi wiretap technolog fuck nasa wast tax dollar polici paper stuff purvew mission favor resign thi paper for nasa work for societi whew easi gui thi spare time thi wiretap cost thi can add opposit clipper don fulli thi shouldn start flame drop hat jame holthau jame holthau uiowa edu govern associ men violenc rest leo tolstoi pgp public kei request kei server
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sci.crypt	cryptolog world statu cruptolog for privat citizen world list countri and polici citizen encrypt electron data curiou european handl thi for instanc jame holthau jame holthau uiowa edu govern associ men violenc rest leo tolstoi pgp public kei request kei server
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl tbpd uiuc edu kadi uiuc edu carl kadi write eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers justic william brennan thurgood marshal john paul steven and byron white associ mean that eff public stanc complic issu irrelev encrypt issu per peopl care encrypt issu don care associ network erotica issu even disagre eff posit end pallet baggag drag frequent problem perman organ eff except tarl
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sci.crypt	clipper will corrupt cop propos polic point view articl fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg vesselin bontchev write strnlght netcom david sternlight write dwight tuinstra post interest messag comment effect clipper chip state and local polic read line good thing for civil liberti respect sinc will prevent cowboi cop and cowboi state and local aganc read your traffic tap illeg read line bit that difficult you hint propos impos addit burocrat burden local polic badli want tape magic cooki recipi that your mom tell you phone guess will propos that technolog remov implement facilit you won want wait approv two agenc decrypt convers two child molest meanwhil two child molest conspir molest your child for access kei quickli copi databas and worri warrant perhap clearer and concis post that post central point made that local state polic agenc attempt plai rule and warrant legit escrow kei etc find merci bureaucrat inertia and agenc infight feder level disagre that thi assist civil liberti hobbl cowboi cop strong incent vesselin point for polic agenc rogu and kei effici constitut mean notic releas suppos law enforc agenc conduct wiretap drug smuggl ring and intercept convers encrypt devic deciph messag obtain legal author court order wiretap place clear implic that legal author court order leaki and page that author nsa aris black market sort polic agenc kei trade polic will excel posit carri thi kind thing caught commun infrastructur secur portion law that that limit citizen right access polic commun us inform difficult prove polic misus fact that you such evid evid that you broken law throw privat detect even fewer polici constitut restrict mercenari retir intellig agenc william gibson love great stori materi don happen michigan state polic gener profession organ for year red file thousand suspect commi know full not consititut standard evid peopl file happen park place china peopl friendship ralli happen polic write licens plate number you happen visit friend live meet place state polic wound file you subvers eventu found and court rule carri such nonsens thai had destroi tape even mean cop and will strong pressur bend constitut safeguard don assum corrupt unbalanc offic will interest enforc sensibl law save live and protect properti compromis will made mean offic face will moral dilemma clipper will make crimin cop want thi polic forc dwight tuinstra tuinstra sandman ec clarkson edu toler tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapien planetari cancer new six
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write articl rubin dsg dse beckman arthur rubin write wouldn trust nsa trust presid thi not told not crook presid richard nixon thi presid and easili wrong arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method begin pgp sign messag articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write don replac for clipper front end thi make sens govern prohibit altern escrow encrypt scheme not us front end clipper david david gov that hope thi long run derek pgp kei request kei server pgp public kei toxicwast mit edu derek atkin mit electr engin and comput scienc secretari mit student inform process board sipb mit media laboratori speech research group warlord mit edu asel nwh
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qsip innnj dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write escom donaldson write amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write thi appear gener call name anti christ for hell destroi thi remark imagin that execut branch extract kei escrow hous know tell dick bit data hell gonna trot telco and unauthoris decrypt tap huh break waterg and instal tap peopl break neat huh record nois execut branch phone decrypt box huh good wait til washington post get hold thi and decrypt nois like stare kei and hell not worth thi bloodi hassl kei fbi give local polic request simpli put alag clip your phone junction box and conduct illeg tap decrypt recov tape govern break law bill smyth
sci.crypt	secret sourc that announc gradi netcom suggest common restrict distribut privat kei public kei system encrypt post theori that will work fine long priva kei remain secur practic good idea check that violat net rule practic custom etc don that good idea check thi not rot can kei trivial good idea check such post forward site need make chain work problem discuss group travel facil control member problem mail list approach even fun for david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	bit keyseach machin articl apr lokkur dexter sc lokkur dexter steve simmon write last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv hmmmm larg keyspac thi you alter strategi discuss for de attempt decrypt block and check disctribut content don feasibl encrypt plaintext block amount tape rom and not such encrypt block cheap convert atom solar system into bit storag devic keysearch thi kind shouldn wors simpler kind term speed that you for encrypt messag dumb question research legitim ascii encod byte block that part english sentenc for attack de ecb mode dictionari thi kind pretti valuabl john kelsei
sci.crypt	fight clipper initi articl nov access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write american manufactur peddl crippl chip secret untest algorithm kei held peopl histori untrustworthi behavoir excus sinc escrow agenc aren chosen can you histori untrustworthi behavoir sic each can agenc such histori price waterhous secret academi award for year even face aggress press feder reserv open market committe successfulli decis leak for statutori period public even depart agricultur successfulli crop forecast leak prematur frankli trust not sinc subject polit pressur sooner aclu eff cpsr not exactli govern apologist track record for intern secur that david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	bit keyseach machin articl mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu john kelsei write articl apr lokkur dexter sc lokkur dexter steve simmon write last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv hmmmm larg keyspac thi you alter strategi discuss for de attempt decrypt block and check disctribut content don feasibl encrypt plaintext block amount tape rom and not such encrypt block cheap convert atom solar system into bit storag devic don claim crypto analyist isn lot good literatur subject and peopl don publish work doubt approach such folk us brute forc impli that previou post histori thing folk find clever wai limit search and bang guess real problem skipjack can not nsa make publicli system couldn break want isn charter rememb de ibm not nsa and publish life year past that point rememb base size nsa budget spend lot technolog decrypt comput compani spend imagin stuff real interest friend onc work for dead enjoi monitor sac strateg air command crypto traffic and suspect that stuff bit complex skipjack militari stuff nsa skipjack btw folk nsa wasn kei and walker spy case show for system kgb didn inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu support privaci support encrypt
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sci.crypt	clipper chip long follow articl apr curtin edu zrepachol curtin edu paul repacholi write question and answer clinton administr telecommun initi suppos law enforc agenc conduct wiretap drug smuggl ring and intercept convers encrypt devic deciph messag obtain legal author court order wiretap place present document thi author two entiti respons for safeguard kei and obtain kei for devic us drug smuggler kei split into two part store separ order ensur secur kei escrow system apolog for dens thi sentenc read lift lui bunuel screenplai miss earth drug smuggler even us devic tripl encrypt de long altern clipper remain legal clipper accomplish absolut noth law enforc concern scheme absolut total incred wast govern time and monei long encrypt scheme that good remain legal order for clipper work intend strong cryptosystem outlaw jan bielawski computervis san diego jpb calmasd prime
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sci.crypt	crypto final call crypto confer announc final call for paper thirteenth annual crypto confer sponsor intern associ for cryptolog research iacr cooper ieee comput societi technic committe secur and privaci comput scienc depart univers california santa barbara and bell northern research subsidiari northern telecom will held campu univers california santa barbara august origin research paper and technic expositori talk solicit practic and theoret aspect cryptolog anticip that talk present special invit program committe instruct for author author request send copi detail abstract not full paper april program chair address below limit page type not count bibliographi titl page submiss submiss arriv time postmark april and airmail order receiv consider program committe requir that submiss start succinct statement problem address solut propos and signific cryptolog for specialist reader technic develop direct specialist follow need abstract that submit confer that proceed not elig 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usa telephon fax internet stinson bibd unl edu for inform contact gener chair paul van oorschot crypto bell northern research mail stop carl av nepean ontario canada telephon fax internet crypto bnr crypto gener inform august program crypto thirteenth seri workshop cryptolog held santa barbara and sponsor intern associ for cryptolog research cooper ieee comput societi technic committe secur and privaci comput scienc depart univers california santa barbara and bell northern research subsidiari northern telecom program for workshop will cover aspect cryptolog extend abstract paper present confer will distribut attende confer and formal proceed will publish date addit regular program paper select invit program committe will rump session tuesdai even for inform present facil will provid for attende demonstr hardwar softwar and item cryptograph interest you demonstr such item you urg contact gener chair that your will attend social program will includ host cocktail parti sundai and mondai 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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari articl apr guvax acc georgetown edu den guvax acc georgetown edu write prof den descript skipjack omit chip structur clipper chip contain classifi bit block encrypt algorithm call skipjack algorithm bit kei compar for de and round scrambl compar for de support de mode oper throughput mbit second bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip kei and messag stream digit voic fed into clipper chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc block question each bit input you bit output bit bit bit bit bit you transmit bit each time you transmit bit wiretap block begin obnoxi for bandwidth limit applic cellular phone even regular phone de mode interact two part output feedback mode appli messag block wiretap block wiretap block transmit begin incorpor into feedback mode not ecb mode clipper chip check wiretap block block present sinc receiv chip doesn transmitt can check valid limit check form wiretap block and check serial number for reason sort back door structur that let recogn valid that case can you replac wiretap block wiretap block valid avoid attract attent chip won you postprocess output regular peopl can serial number and dummi kei paranoid peopl can us serial number hand that solut easili nsa block us messag encrypt that prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
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sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl apr husc harvard edu kubo zariski harvard edu tal kubo write mention danger unwelcom polit associ remiss not suggest opposit direct gather support nra emphas rkba side issu amend side tal kubo math harvard edu hmmm thi gave interest idea thi argument second amend and bear arm strong cryptographi arm govern that hard export constituit strong cryptographi like hard harder exercis thi get exercis right that govern slowli restrict nra exist organ perhap long start join electron desk bob langford health scienc comput fax virginia commonwealth univers mail langford gem vcu edu langford vcuvax for bitnet
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write happili sleep peopl thi aren peopl slightli overreact thi sudden draw parallel nazi germani and communist russia point matter that thi problem not end world guess you can communist countri nazi germani complain you complain and shoot shoot real bad aim guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot peopl complain that thi wrong that wrong sit and figur two thing wors can and you find that you and pretti damn lucki talk action decid not overreact liberti talk thi doesn make problem doesn make opposit not you can bet wors angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu btw opinion and not that entiti god full star dave don you compani epidem
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write rememb that promis committe expert cryptosystem design hope silicon jock committe can follow algorithm hardwar doubt nsa pull monkei busi thi point expect that chip will revers engin sooner obviou opportun introduc addit hole steve bellovin pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write articl demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write thousand ten thousand arithmet skipjack kei don bit count that doesn worri not cheat can caught and kei size thing that can verifi extern feed lot random kei input pair into chip flip random kei bit and happen output happen half output bit vari averag bit kei chang input chang build weak cryptosystem case that bit power sens that enter into encrypt late game contrast de design us each kei bit earli output chang rate appear earli round don nsa cheat that crude like caught cryptosytem that start xore bit and and not bit thi xor thi system make earli us bit exhaust kei search kei search your test vari singl kei bit wouldn turn interest rememb that promis committe expert cryptosystem design you assum de bias subkei gener schedul will stick sore thumb algorithm suggest stick sore thumb design system subtl kei redund hidden make exhaust kei search encrypt don your claim that real keysiz can verifi extern andi latto andyl harlequin
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sci.med	ring ear articl ncrwat waterloo ncr jfare iss waterloo ncr jim fare write friend mine troubl ear ring ring loud that great difficulti sleep night that hasn had normal night sleep month thi make depress doctor put anti depress sometim problem doctor prescrib medicin thi don exact situat and anti depress work isn help ring ring start suddenli month ago quickli lose sleep social life and saniti thi mine start year back turn tinnitu bilater translat ring ear basic thi us and drive nut nowadai plug ear finger check ring you us get tune thi read not person experi treatment for thi experi cope mechan opinion anti depress drug million physician you learn cope mention earlier ignor eventu becom unconsci doc caus diet caffein and stress haven chang lifestyl and come and somewhat rare notic kick doesn necessarili mean hear loss caus caus had ent ear nose throat exam and pass fact hear quit good don good care hear reaction normal tinnitu chanc good begin not even notic thi info expert experi and read year back and don specif handi
sci.med	emphysema question friend mine thi week for test emphysema lung capac decreas time father di diseas work woodwork occasion cigarett perhap cigarett dai even tell thi never light pretti healthi life style habit good diet exercis medit retreat therapi etc concern thi check noth diseas interfer line lung exchang oxygen diagnosi emphysema death sentenc give smoke that chanc for recoveri modern therapi us peopl thi diseas inform amigan cup portal
sci.med	oili skin problem articl apr vaxc steven tech edu hwong vaxc steven tech edu write oili skin problem wash face becom oili half hour nose region thi ill can prevent occur such short time cleanser that will job that clean face won becom oili such short time don that problem face quit oili had moder acn problem for year found that vigor scrub face nail brush and soap irish spring twice dai acn not problem can leav pretti health nose print mirror min don acn not real problem anymor
sci.med	migrain and scan nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye neurolog consult cheaper scan and neurologist can make differenti diagnosi migrain tension type headach cluster benign intracrani hypertens chronic paroxysm hemicrania and headach syndrom that normal scan neurologist can recommend treatment that diagnosi sinc peopl convinc brain tumor patholog cheaper scan come into week and easier take time reassur patient person don thi can justifi sigh never justifi sometim even show thorough detail histori neurolog examin and discuss patient diagnosi salt lot reassur patient can you order scan can absolut aunt milli get into convers aunt milli headach for year and di brain tumor aneurysm you can order imag for patient benign headach syndrom hear your magic onc bypass imag get eeg mind you don eeg terribl sensit for brain tumor patient feel hour spent talk and examin patient noth eeg ioniz radiat cheaper mri and eeg bring monei depart slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
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sci.med	mysteri ill ey problem friend symptom occur period month for last year episod begin extrem tired travel joint pain and stiff affect elbow knee and hip gener muscl pain tinnitu and feel pressur ear sever sweat occur night and dai hemorrhag ey opthamologist call peripher retin hemorhag and similar diabet retinopathi isn diabet check distort color vision and distort vision gener telephon pole not straight loss peripher vision test run and normal for call unidentifi bright object found mri brain thing that allevi episod prednison time had per dai whenev get symptom becom acut quit concern retin hemorrhag wors each episod and vision suffer doc idea thi condit can stop suggest advic greatli appreci advanc kathi turner
sci.med	diet work great articl apr inmet camb inmet mazur bluefin camb inmet beth mazur write apr omen caf omen chuck forsberg kgx write gordon your experi valid for not fact that you peopl overweight and stabl lower normal weight not contradict observ that per cent can maintain ideal weight current technolog observ that seek your call diet evangelist can maintain weight happen agre keith lynch that peopl can and lose weight and not reflect dismal failur rate that quot wasn studi research ask gener popul perhap part univers commun weight loss and found that higher percentag had lost and maintain fact adipos mention similar studi search for life event recent version adipos problem anecdot report individu lost weight and that don caus weight gain place thi critic gain weight temporari drug effect life event etc success diet weight loss result revers temporari condit that caus weight gain chuck forsberg kgx tektronix reed omen caf author ymodem zmodem profession yam zcomm and dsz omen technolog inc high reliabl softwar sauvi portland
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sci.med	jigger articl ppae bigboot wpi edu susan wpi wpi edu susan write friend mine sever jigger for year lot pain recent read don cure for jigger inform thi can rememb name treatment read flame for thi kid uncl cabin middl bass island lake eri home nasti case jigger larg red bump bugger had burrow into skin mother paint bump clear finger nail polish thi repeat daili for week applic polish suppos suffoc seal skin can work for word caution put finger nail polish jigger bite sting hell flame for thi put jam pocket and call toast kentcomm jperkski aldhfn akron and kentcomm jperkski legend akron
sci.med	teenag acn son usual teenag spotti chin and greasi nose bought clearasil face wash and ointment that usual good diet product call dalacin us doctor prescript treatment not chemist counter ask coupl pharmacist acn not sever for dalacin that clearasil had odd spot teenag noth father don figur acn escal into disfigur kid senstit appear wari neighbour son had thi wierd maladi that eventu put overdos vitamin acn treatment want treatment son scali hairlin scalp sort teenag cradl cap pointer advic thi coupl anti dandruff shampoo and inclin make condit wors not buri kid till flog will continu moral improv pchurch swell actrix gen pat churchil wellington zealand
sci.med	sex problem larri silverberg albnyvm bitnet wrote suggest sex counselor don want interest you thi info request net for world not you react found you accept advic unknown entiti counselor suggest appreci counselor you ask
sci.med	oili skin problem articl apr vaxc steven tech edu hwong vaxc steven tech edu write oili skin problem wash face becom oili half hour nose region thi ill can prevent occur such short time cleanser that will job that clean face won becom oili such short time you for suggest thi diseas skin oili us hot you fry egg oili face yr and skin younger told peopl skin oili tini wrinkl your lucki star for that skin
sci.med	contracept pill simpl question that contracept pill prevent ovul nest vagina and forc fall month not prevent fertilz ovul true risk extra uterin pregnanc that develop ovul insid fallopian tube cherbonni jec zurich ibm
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sci.med	sci med chemistri julkunen messi uku julkunen messi uku antero julkunen write thi newsgroup sci med physic and quit lot discuss thi group chemic item prolactin cholesterol tsh etc newsgroup sci med chemistri potenti chemistri split classif into biochemistri topic you think and pharmaceut end bio chemistri thi separ issu whether suffici potenti new volum support group add medic health newsgroup list forward post and discuss not for anoth dai pete
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sci.med	contracept pill jec watson ibm wrote simpl question that contracept pill prevent ovul nest vagina and forc fall month not prevent fertilz ovul true risk extra uterin pregnanc that develop ovul insid fallopian tube that not pill work iud work oral contracept pill prevent ovul occur provid negatv feedback pituitari gland and prevent surg that occur time ovul iud happen that fertil occur devic prevent implant wall uteru not vagina kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	ear problem fly can develop ear problem fly hear that pilot and steward ess limit maximum number fly hour limit main problem associ long haul hour trip frequent flyer
sci.med	human breast feed myth realiti articl vhwo hlt tripo homer tripo webster homer write rjasoar vnet ibm robert alexand write addit question long mother breast feed child friend mine nurs two year thi benefici husband us coninu nurs two year proof unfit mother studi breast feed past year etc psycholog health child web homer wife breast fed boi month month and month and and year fairli normal notic neg correl ear infect and length time nurs small sampl notic that and year eat lot that breast feed don understand unfit mother charg tactic not low for folk divorc child custodi battl develop nation practic breast feed and year screw us cow milk commerci formula doctor bobbi akgua rjb
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sci.med	smoker lung articl apr kuhub ukan edu bennett kuhub ukan edu write long smoker lung clear tar quit your chanc get lung cancer decreas quickli consider amount time for that happen that read recent time scienc time scienc new that evid that smoker risk lung cancer never return that person never smoke close find articl and post sinc memori hazi specif you interest michael
sci.med	migrain therapi articl htmw olsen lindi olsen lindi foster write treat therapi for migrain prophylaxi and treatment and propanolol xdaili relief start per dai propranolol homeopath dose migrain you fatigu that level that you will toler beta blocker you antidepress rout like antidepress work migrain prophylaxi singl nightim dose don work migrain seratonin gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	updat thi lyme articl mar equat jod equat john setel donnel write imho you lyme diseas told you thi privat email and predict that you start migrat pain and joint imho origin poster busi solicit diagnos net donnel busi suppli thi major reason real physician avoid thi newsgroup plagu anoth exampl doubl standard physician offer diagnos and treat net can su peopl qualif free want and disclaim not doctor and thi crap net period
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sci.med	lung disord and club finger articl slagl mar sgi msd lmsc lockhe slagl lmsc lockhe write can enlighten relationship lung disord and club swell and widen fingertip mechan and physician call for chest xrai diagnos club purist distinguish true club and pseudo club differ that true club angl nail view side constantli neg proceed distal fingertip pseudo club angl initi posit neg normal situat real internist can talk for hour club limit coupl minut whether thi distinct realiti unclear thing that internist love paw round supposedli true club associ diseas problem that list diseas associ club quit long and includ congenit condit and acquir diseas sinc diseas associ cardiopulmonari problem lead left shunt and chronic hypoxemia reason chest xrai congenit abnorm diagnos cardiac catheter club unclear relat factor caus blood vessel distal fingertip dilat abnorm club thing examin tipoff extens examin club quit appar
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sci.med	menang question articl nzn mzx crdnn crd brooksbi brigham nosubdomain nodomain glen brooksbi write thi past weekend friend mine lost month daughter matter hour form menang person inform call nicer meningicoci retrospect diseas struck fridai even and pass saturdai symptom rash that start small and began progress rapidli began turn blue eventu tip that thi that time late thi second hand info question thi unusu form menang transmit work kill quickli neiseria meningococcu common form mening that sometim sweep school boot camp contagi and kill attack cover brain caus blood vessel thrombos and brain swell treatabl caught time isn time rash tip infant suscept dy bacteri mening infant fever becom stiff letharg rush hospit spinal tap will show mening seizur can occur famili member told kind medic prevent carrier didn concern wife and come visit can live throat carrier don worri you won medic gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	can breath articl mar tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write import verifi procedur proper studi show worthi and risk read interest tidbit that medic treatment unproven and not base scientif fact for exampl treatment prostat cancer unproven and treatment danger diseas articl read you read thi don thi true medic treatment base scienc difficult prove certitud true that thing that found work good explan for almost scientif rational common treatment for prostat cancer hormon therapi proven work radiat and chemotherapi treatment articl not proven gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	sinu migrain sinu endoscopi notic year ago that analges fairli regularli motrin time lot migrain had forgotten that start read post gener don nsaid tylenol for headach found ineffect two pain sourc that forc nsaid naprosyn pelvic pain that begin period and wors midcycl had surgeri for endometriosi past year ago dr that pain due endometriosi come back synarel reduc pain mo pain return immedi stop doctor suggest hysterectomi real solut problem don expect children don idea uteru and remain ovari remov ovari remov had surgeri for endometriosi dr that suggest hysterectomi expert laser surgeri perhap think that type procedur worthwhil women plan children basic left tough pain thi imposs naprosyn similar not aspirin that doesn work and motrin gave horribl gastriti year ago fact naprosyn work elimin pain regularli had sever back pain and pain leg discuss moment gener wait pain naprosyn take hour for reduc pain quit effect reduc pain take quit meantim frequent sever pain pain sourc chronic lower back pain result bilater radiculopathi had mri xrai scan and emg had and don intend that nerv conduct test test not conclus caus back and leg pain mri report bulg degeneratig disk and xrai and mri appar that arthriti read scan that two herniat and hav look film and conclud that herniat second emg and nerv conduct studi show signific denerv compar emg yeah had horribl test call somat evok respons show that intern nerv work fine bottom line that sometim sever pain leg and back pain back pain time can live leg pain analges anti inflammatori medic reduc pain level can work naprosyn regulari for month time stop leg pain wors resum sinc last novemb frequent and primarili for pelvic pain physic therapi for last month time week month therapist put pelvic traction had earlier had caus lot pain back thi time lower weight month two pain leg began traction awai caus discomfort lower back reduc ultrasound and massag don pain leg fact therapist traction week ago get back origin reason for thi post even can avoid take analges for headach can avoid pain sourc that forc us forgot mention that suggest that back surgeri avoid that find migrain difficult deal occassion work can work reduc capac system engin and lot read and write pelvic pain bad can concentr end jump chair minut pain bothersom pain back bad can sever burn leg shoot pain leg electr shock type pain feet and toe and basic get bad can sit end spend time home and bed even analges contribut migrain migrain toler pain sourc lot migrain averag month last dai cafergot time caffien reduc dosag don side effect two diahrea bad headach will eventu cafergot neurologist wasn help told problem cafergot that sumatriptan becom that medic fiornal midrin fiornal codein tegretol and inder didn work couldn toler can doctor satisfi toler pain agre time not lot pain had bad experi surgeri heart stop onc anesthesia told that like succinylcholin and had surgeri time point that even analges can contribut migrain peopl toler pain janic rathmann
sci.med	teenag acn pchurch swell actrix gen pat churchil write son usual teenag spotti chin and greasi nose bought clearasil face wash and ointment that usual good diet product call dalacin us doctor prescript treatment not chemist counter ask coupl pharmacist acn not sever for dalacin that clearasil had odd spot teenag noth father don figur acn escal into disfigur kid senstit appear wari neighbour son had thi wierd maladi that eventu put overdos vitamin acn treatment want treatment son scali hairlin scalp sort teenag cradl cap pointer advic thi coupl anti dandruff shampoo and inclin make condit wors not buri kid till lucki acn teenag didn luck clearasil even skin get oili get miser pimpl dry frequent lukewarm water rins face get scalp thing control that simpl submerg bathwat till soften and wash take dai vitamin miner heard iodin troubl and that us fast food restaur steril equip belief that greasi food acn notic greas face not immedi remov will acn even eat meat keep hair rins mouss dip and sprai face will warm water bath soak cloth face soften oil pore will prevent blackhead bodi oil hydrophil love water and soften and wash chanc that hair limp oily convinc that thing whitehead leav alon will save dai pimpl miseri pry black whitehead can infect red spot pimpl whitehead will break natur dai and won infect that normal pimpl cosmet industri make monei sell peopl idea that incred defect hidden cost even that caus pimpl jacki
sci.med	ring ear jfare iss waterloo ncr jim fare write friend mine troubl ear ring etc folk faq tinnitu ong time suffer tinnitu and neuroscientist look literatur carefulli reason conclus million peopl suffer chronic tinnitu not understood accept treatment that cure experiment treatment help peopl bit report even anecdot massiv good result experiment drug peopl chronic loud tinnitu us nois block sleep sudden onset loud tinnitu can caus injuri and sometim abat month aspirin exacerb tinnitu peopl nation associ tinnitu suffer get us concentr tinnitu becom unnot stress and lack sleep make tinnitu annoi sometim cure not mark dubin professor
sci.med	jigger not world greatest expert chigger type mite indigen south spent lot time contempl bugger past six year sinc move observ gain pain experi reaction chigger vari greatli person person peopl tini red bite sensit and fairli larg swollen sore affair chigger bite gift that give swear that thing will itch for month lot folklor chigger fiction research critter sinc such effect book find subject singl book unc special collect librari not requir base experi and that famili member folk remedi fingernail polish simpli doesn work recal read that theori base that chigger burrow into your skin and continu parti fals like that reaction toxin sort pest releas thi specul approach prevent coupl thing work good insect repel deet such deep wood liber appli ankl waistband etc good start anoth prepar call chig that combin sulfur and kind cream cortison that origin prepar for armi and not commerci summer put thi ankl morn weekend sinc liter can live countri consequ appar don sulfur you can us sulfur dust your bodi cloth repel amount prevent will complet success forget fingernail polish final settl treatment that involv topic applic combin cortison creme reduc inflam and swell and benzocain reliev itch won you thing will you thing wife sinc thi count minor surgeri and not mention gain noth swell and itch can significantli reliev applic hot pack and thi speed recoveri doctor not care chigger urban and suburban doctor appar don encount and rural doctor regard forc natur that endur suspect that come good treatment for chigger make lot monei gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	diet work great articl mar inmet camb inmet mazur bluefin camb inmet beth mazur write articl toinnh lynx unm edu bhjell carina unm edu write hand good job impli that person weigh lb over fact bodi doesn make moral judgement composit conceiv bodi work hard maintain weight undoubtedli maintain such weight and primarili over didn weight drop back normal gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	blindsight articl werner tol mac soe berkelei edu werner soe berkelei edu john werner write articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank wrote explain thought type cone equival rgb you basic type sensit red and green and sensit blue and yellow thi two common kind color blind red green and blue yellow rememb that that case cone color sensit contrari origin respond had claim gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	tuberculosi articl pgh ken mitchum write found that tuberculosi appear medic opps psychiatr condit that can commit for and thi specif law enact year ago vari state state illinoi vener diseas not aid includ syphilli for gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	tuberculosi articl mar iscsvax uni edu klier iscsvax uni edu write multipl drug resist rel phenomenon and largest contribut factor that peopl longer scare antibiot roughli fear hiv not that year ago had drug addict harbor activ that resist chicago differ that such strain becom virul dai such weak didn spread peopl easili and infect person develop complianc medic complianc and develop resist strain problem for long time that drug develop due such strain virul resist strain troubl and measur assur complianc even entail forc gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	fungu epidem articl steward cup portal john joseph deltuvia write stori week ago network new show sort fungu supposedli attack bone structur and somewhat widespread california hear thi fungu california coccidiomycosi hadn heard that attack bone attack lung and you unlucki central nervou system noth for year call vallei fever sinc found inland vallei not coast gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	blindsight articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write articl werner tol mac soe berkelei edu werner soe berkelei edu john werner write articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank wrote explain thought type cone equival rgb you basic type sensit red and green and sensit blue and yellow thi two common kind color blind red green and blue yellow rememb that that case cone color sensit contrari origin respond had claim not origin respond reiter cone respond portion spectrum rod respond part visibl spectrum bluegreen case reddish amphibia hosesho crab limulu polyphemu photoreceptor respond portion spectrum etc common misconcept confound wavelength specif color sensit two not synonym sum and beat dead hors output cone match for number absorb photon irrespect absorb photon wavelength cone output indistinguish cone simpli detector spectral sensit and not color sensit rod ommatidia photoreceptor color vision aris output receptor sampl part spectrum cone thi case process central handwav intent work and publish research rod and cone for year adher belief that cone can detect color frustrat don word for repost excel articl togeth two good oldish color vision text text robert boynton human color vision holt rhiehart and winston leo hurvich color vision sinauer associ origin articl baylor and hodgkin detect and resolut visual stimuli turtl phoreceptor physiol baylor lamb and yau repons retin rod singl photon physiol schnapf visual transduct cone monkei macaca fasciculari physiol edwin barkdol barkdol lepomi psych upenn edu world std edwin barkdol world std
sci.med	donat organ articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write articl mar sbc sunysb edu mhollowa sunysb edu michael hollowai write recent transplant proceed somesuch xenograft liver section transplant live donor pittsburgh group publish baboon work don chicago lobe transplant live donor and publish case report xenotranspl publish lancet can send you reprint you interest anoth paper sort tour horizon written starzl and publish resid edit annal surgeri vol octob surgic resid newslett section you won find regular issu annal don reprint that paper accept for public immunolog todai not come describ experi two xenograft date for segment liver transplant live relat donor confess total ignor that literatur philosoph oppos and don that field howard doyl doyl pitt edu
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog articl apr sbc sunysb edu mhollowa sunysb edu michael hollowai write articl ggb new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write point that argument scienc sci med sci psycholog etc not case peopl reject scientif argument evid proof case adequ scientif research case quit bit evid isn format fit doctrinair concept scienc thi confus proof and process scienc you make precis point want make fulli agre you that big distinct process scienc and end result end result scienc result that object verifi noth object process scienc good empir research and show that merit homeopath remedi thi valuabl inform not mean that homeopathi qualifi scienc thi you and disagre turpin order scienc theoret structur that make sens not mere collect empir valid random hypothes experi and empir studi import part scienc culmin scientif research import part true scientif methodolog scientif think thi not hypothes worth test hypothes not leap you you data simpli come you flash dai you shave window not you lot good think differ nobel prize level scientist and mediocr scientist not lie qualiti empir methodolog depend qualiti think bother that graduat student that scienc conduct empir studi and bother even that field such part psycholog think mere studi test hoc hypothes and offend russel turpin repeat assert that scienc amount noth avoid mistak simpli avoid mistak doesn you anywher argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
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sci.med	food relat seizur post thi group hope find network newsland heard similar describ fourteen year daugter experienc seizur novemb eat kellog frost flake perfectli healthi had never experienc thi and histori seizur side famili test eeg mri ekg neg decis made noth and wait happen fine and morn april had bowl anoth kellog frost kind cereal fruit loop embarrass admit that even bought that junk onc pour bowl and thi kind junk eat had that seizur ten minut had full blown seizur thi exposur sugar coat cereal sinc last seizur mention at time reason for seizur neurologist basic negat that idea thi second episod similar natur even scratch head onc eeg normal understand can happen even person seizur onc wait think that good larg group experi thi kind thing that member medic commun sometim loath admit import that diet and food plai gener health and you can guess worri sick thi and idea wordi want across sharon paulson paulson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr walter bellcor jchen ctt bellcor write chines and asian japanes korean etc us msg flavor enhanc for two thousand year you that knew make msg chemic process not extract natur food such sea food and meat broth and add fuel flame war read year ago that natur msg extract sourc you mention not report aftereffect that nasti artifici msg extract coal tar that chines restaur syndrom find thi pretti hard heard andrew
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes and demolish myth robert scott root bernstein book discov ring structur for benzen had propos kekul and time current model not resembl kekul predecessor kekul structur resembl modern model don extra scientif phrase discuss boundari scienc propos definien extra ration phrase fact quit number case extra ration consider drive scienc direct for exampl pasteur discov that racem acid mixtur enantiom origin stereochemistri partli like friend crank theori chemic action friend wrong pasteur discoveri stood prior investig mitscherlich phenomenon had miss crucial detail lack pasteur motiv find that distinguish racem acid tartar tartar acid pasteur discov differenti ferment enantiom tartar acid not ration convict produc yeast that live tartar acid notebook contain fantasi newton mirror imag life never admit public perhap exampl discoveri that dna carri gene averi start thi work student and ardent anglophil and francophob canadian defend fred griffith discoveri mice griffith critic french decid issu for student averi told replic griffith work vitro student eventu averi convinc and start research program year produc famou discoveri averi macleod and mccarti jem mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
sci.med	updat thi lyme articl apr lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu carl brenner write ulterior motiv easi for physician call lyme and treat lot monei involv you bring thi don understand financi for physician ahead and treat physician invest involv kickback scheme home infus compani financi gain for doctor put thi base experi gener practition train infecti diseas establish link lyme commun treat patient come wonder lyme decid lyme that diseas such spirochet not lyme give talk meet user group valid feel even delusion patient etc thi can run mill lot patient hospit and get expens infus that monitor offic and make lot bread get adul hope not cure control and name public put support group etc thi definit temptat gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	water suppli vulner milwauke type diseas outbreak press releas natur resourc defens council data show major water suppli vulner milwauke type diseas outbreak nation desk environ writer contact erik olson sarah silver natur resourc defens council washington april intern epa data releas todai natur resourc defens council reveal that larg water system serv citi boston san francisco not filter remov diseas carri organ leav commun potenti vulner diseas outbreak similar affect milwauke epa list attach intern epa document reveal that safeti water suppli american citi threaten inadequ pollut control filtrat erik olson senior attornei nrdc water contamin isn problem bangladesh problem bozeman and boston june larg surfac water system epa list will break law safe drink water act requir surfac water system filter water fulli protect river lake us pollut olson continu system move eventu implement filtrat system expect miss law deadlin olson point that threat contamin realiti citi survei surfac water system water util scientist found that percent raw water sampl contain milwauke organ cryptosporidium and percent contain similar parasit call giardia ad level concern gener account offic studi releas todai hous health and environ subcommitte chairman henri waxman defici nation system for conduct and sanitari survei water system thi inform rais huge warn sign that million american can longer simpli turn tap and assur that water safe drink immedi put into place program protect water sourc contamin and thi not assur filtrat equip instal protect public olson note time come for nation water util stop drag feet and aggress protect water contamin consum prepar pai modest cost need assur water safe drink nrdc nation profit environment advocaci organ system epa requir filtrat and not adequ protect watersh connecticut bridgeport bridgeport hydraul massachusett boston resourc author mwra medford mwra medford water dept melros mwra melros water dept hilton mwra hilton water dept needham mwra needham water divis newtoncent mwra newton water dept marblehead mwra marblehead water dept quinci mwra quinci water dept norwood mwra norwood water dept framingham mwra framingham water div cambridg mwra cambridg water dept canton mwra canton water div dpw chelsea mwra chelsea water dept everett mwra everett water dept lexington mwra bedford puo wrk lynn mwra lynn water sewer malden mwra malden water divis rever mwra rever water dept woburn mwra woburn water dept swampscott mwra swampscott water dept saugu mwra saugu water dept somervil mwra somervil water dept stoneman mwra stoneman water dept brooklin mwra brooklin water dept wakefield mwra waltham mwra waltham water divis watertown mwra watertown water divis weston mwra weston water dept dedham mwra dedham westwood district winchest mwra winchest water sewer winthrop mwra winthrop water dept boston mwra boston water sewer hadlei mwra south hadlei fire dist arlington mwra arlington water dept belmont mwra belmont water dept clinton mwra clinton water dept attleboro attleboro water dept fitchburg fitchburg water dept northampton northampton water dept north adam north adam water dept amherst amherst water divis dpw gardner gardner water dept worcest worcest dpw water oper westboro westboro water dept southbridg southbridg water suppli newburyport newburyport water dept hingham hingham water brockton brockton water dept main rockland camden rockland water bath bath water district hampshir keen citi keen salem salem water dept vermont barr citi barr citi water system rutland citi rutland citi water dept york glen fall glen fall citi yorktown ht yorktown water storag dist rochest rochest citi henrietta henrietta rochest mcwa upland system rochest greec consolid york nyc aquaduct sy croton chappaqua castl stanwood beacon beacon citi mamaronek westchest joint water work pennsylvania bethlehem bethlehem public water sy johnstown greater johnstown water auth lock haven citi lock haven water dept shamokin roar creek water comp harrisburg harrisburg citi hazleton hazleton citi water dept wind gap blue consolid apollo westmoreland auth fayettvil guilford water auth humlock creek ceasetown reservoir springbrook water reservoir wilk barr gardner creek wilk barr hill creek wilk barr plymouth relief altoona altoona citi auth tamaqua tamaqua municip water waynesboro waynesboro borough auth pottsvil schuykil mun auth virginia covington citi covington fishersvil south river dist acsa south carolina greenvil greenvil water sy michigan sault ste mari sault ste mari marquett marquett montana butt butt water bozeman bozeman citi california san francisco citi counti san fran nevada reno westpac idaho twin fall twin fall citi washington aberdeen aberdeen water dept centralia centralia water dept nigel allen toronto ontario canada ndallen node hub org
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes question extra scientif thi long time sinc propos restrict come idea order for consid legitim hypothes point short thi hypothes and specul scienc come wild flight fanci daydream ancient tradit modern quackeri anywher russel
sci.med	exercis and migrain talk migrain and exercis can fathom thought exercis migrain turn thread dai plai tenni lunch hour tenni shape intens exercis overh and dehydr notic tingl sensat head hour feel migrain start continu drink water afternoon cafergot didn and pain start wasn intens and that night pain subsid thi isn time that had migrain occur exercis wonder had experi and trigger migrain thi situat heat buildup dehydr not give tenni can into shape and don plai high noon prevent thi janet jaksti am mcdcup ntmtv janet northern telecom internet janet ntmtv mtn view
sci.med	erythromycin erythromycin effect treat pneumonia
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot nose cultur show staph ceftin even ceclor suprax not kill staph treat bacteri infect involv lot and fail infect involv multipl organ resist strain hemophilu influenza strain resist work for and organ not work for you and experi ken colbi
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qjc finn gap caltech edu carl sol gp caltech edu write msg food addit you put msg gelatin capsul not reaction becasu sensori respons element creation msg reaction bet bogu medic research never even thought that obviou fact gee mean placebo effect research thi carl not placebo effect hypothesis sensori respons msg effect flavor respons for msg reaction steve
sci.med	diet work great gordon bank lot back morbid obes cycl success depend larg fluctuat cycl peopl can cycl pound not thi describ situat perfectli for constant dynam tendenc eat appear total limitless and pure consciou desir not put weight fat diet exercis vari degre success extra weight cycl rang smaller and larger cycl occur afraid that thi method will stop work somedai hold weight gain check thi reason hard time accept notion metabol derang associ cycl diet that result long term weight gain cycl diet for year such chang vigor exercis program can long keep cycl smaller and baselin weight low brian
sci.med	eugen year type eugen will even sooner map human genom will start work manipul that genom genet engin will insert gene want breed hybrid etc ethic question thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	homeopathi respect medic tradit articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write accept not scientist peopl countri wast time and monei quackeri britain and scandanavia work not paid for countri don you told person care lot and worri start put health and monei into homeopathi know get into and reason post place homeopathi that britain homeopathi nation health servic and that gp us homeopath practic true fals import and document investig into homeopath principl read book homeopathi weekend turn section principl homeopath medicin and two paragraph inform that homeopath don feel oblig provid sort explan author state thi pride sort virtu sceptic homeopathi narrow mind bigot homeopathi witch doctori daniel
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write ted marvin dgbt doc ted grusec write gari extra scientif not mean impli that hypothesi gener not case extrem close ti state knowledg scientif area meant that scientif logic involv process induct not deduct puzzl propos distinct scientif logic and induct logic thi point don clue you mean extra scientif you mean that time come idea that can trace prior theori concept knowledg etc thi fairli common observ for grin genuin exampl for grin kekul hypothes reson structur for aromat benzen ring wake dream snake swallow tail archimed formal principl buoyanc medit bath case connect prior theori concept etc you stipul intuit leap current think develop idea subsequ prove predict power stood test experiment verif pardon kibbutz tom
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl qqinngv utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes question extra scientif thi long time sinc propos restrict come idea order for consid legitim hypothes point short thi hypothes and specul scienc come wild flight fanci daydream ancient tradit modern quackeri anywher russel typic don not wild flight fanci serv can serv relat hypothesi somewhat interest that challang provid exampl thi sort come kekul sure appar thi regard extrem exampl ration process scienc success hypothesi propos ration can hope explain kekul had daydream snake fire bite tail sure wasn daydream had special thi had perceiv analog geometri snake and problem geometri molecul such analog reason extra scientif heart scienc peric notion abduct us model and across disciplin close examin ration mystic leap take place perhap closer formal incomplet analog model gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	emphysema question for your assist can brand patch two brand two melissa mmatusev radford vak edu time you find that not pleas thing want not logic true spock stonn
sci.med	scienc and methodolog articl new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write differ nobel prize level scientist and mediocr scientist not lie qualiti empir methodolog depend qualiti think bother that graduat student that scienc conduct empir studi and offend russel turpin repeat assert that scienc amount noth avoid mistak simpli avoid mistak doesn you anywher that lee ladi and talk cross purpos ladi concern contrast great scienc that make big advanc knowledg and mediocr scienc that make smaller step thi thread concern differ scienc and not lee ladi correct assert that differ einstein and averag post doc physicist qualiti thought differ einstein and geniu great scientist great thought scientif screwi give velikovski korzybski exampl you don choos your differ mediocr physicist and mediocr propon einstein and mediocr physcist disciplin work cumul knowledg previou research wrong velikovski and mediocr propon fail thi approach thi second direct ask review paper for journal confer kind critic that can make kind critic that work wrong misinform anoth kind critic that work technic correct not import not interest differ that point second differ that lee ladi discuss good empir research and show that merit homeopath remedi thi valuabl inform not mean that homeopathi qualifi scienc thi you and disagre turpin point that for homeopathi consid scientif need test theoret claim not propos remedi similarli suspect that tradit chines medicin remedi that work lack exampl experi that test presenc order scienc theoret structur that make sens not mere collect empir valid random hypothes theoret structur that make sens goal area not thi noth wrong form and test smaller hypothes face cannot wait for einstein come and make clear for sometim not einstein plug and make small amount progress can russel
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write don extra scientif phrase discuss boundari scienc propos definien extra ration phrase fact quit number case extra ration consider drive scienc direct yeah problem hold extra ration exampl exemplar refut found methodolog that you run smack such unus direct lysenko such extra ration case curios not guid methodolog gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot you can swab insid your nose bacitracin tip bacitracin antibiot that can bought otc ointment tube doctor listen radio appli for dai you take antibiot mouth
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write cnavarro cymbal calpoli edu clair write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial anoth anecdot stori picki eater and never want chines food final order girl time had never heard chines restaur syndrom group restaur and share dish didn tast great decid wasn bad home and bed earli woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that suffic that wont into chines restaur physic threaten smell food make ill and that psycholg reaction drag suffer beef and broccoli sauc insist msg haven sick doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr microsoft tomca microsoft tom carei write for grin kekul hypothes reson structur for aromat benzen ring wake dream snake swallow tail archimed formal principl buoyanc medit bath archimed case descript observ phenomena bath accur medit bath buoyanc intens environ gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that funni thing personali stori reaction msg vari greatli that heart beat speed flush face claim heart skip beat onc react headach stomach ach had wateri ey run nose had itchi skin rash accus includ respir difficulti and brain damag vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you jason chen
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write anoth anecdot stori picki eater and never want chines food final order girl time had never heard chines restaur syndrom group restaur and share dish didn tast great decid wasn bad home and bed earli woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that suffic that wont into chines restaur physic threaten smell food make ill and that psycholg reaction drag suffer beef and broccoli sauc insist msg haven sick had similar reaction chines food completli conclus eaten chines food for ag and never had problem chines malaysian friend swanki chins rest and order lot stuff had never thing can rememb that meal scallop serv shell soi type sauc thought had scallop onc and sick that coincid that night sat bathroom floor sweat and empti stomach hard decid never touch anoth scallop not allerg don want chanc ami mossman
sci.med	exercis and migrain articl apr ntmtv janet ntmtv janet jaksti write thi isn time that had migrain occur exercis wonder had experi and trigger migrain thi situat heat buildup dehydr not give tenni can into shape and don plai high noon prevent thi migrain exercis for relat exercis eaten recent sherri nichol snichol adob
sci.med	scienc and methodolog articl linnl utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write articl new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write differ nobel prize level scientist and mediocr scientist not lie qualiti empir methodolog depend qualiti think lee ladi correct assert that differ einstein and averag post doc physicist qualiti thought differ einstein and geniu great scientist great thought scientif screwi thi exampl wrong case famou physicist tell anoth that wrong recal quot your idea crazi not crazi typic screwbal somewhat screwi herman rubin dept statist purdu univ west lafayett phone hrubin snap stat purdu edu internet bitnet purdu pur snap stat hrubin
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl krl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write don extra scientif phrase discuss boundari scienc propos definien extra ration phrase fact quit number case extra ration consider drive scienc direct yeah problem hold extra ration exampl exemplar refut found methodolog that you run smack such unus direct lysenko such extra ration case curios not guid methodolog note distinct motiv and method experiment result accept describ suffici detail replic and replic reproduc result theoret argument accept present suffici detail and reason knowleg peopl agre forc logic peopl experi and pursu argument for sort crazi reason irrat motiv not curious larg part histori scienc coupl neg point make theori conceiv becom accept direct verif exist for exampl quark accept part standard model physic direct verif need theori base that predict medic realiti altern central theoret claim lie forev experi long suffici bodi experiment data that theori predict wouldn hold breath wait for triumph don that even coher theori base theori that explain modern biologi and hard imagin theori that not predict directli verifi exist scienc not histor progress sort ration experi data theori sequenc experi carri and interpret pre exist theoret framework theoret controversi dai determin experi huge messi affair person jealousi crazi motiv petti hatr and that determin experi and comput forward critic function scienc result don count can replic system sort mechan for gener and test gener part can total irrat long test part work properli pasteur like chemic activ and crystal even mitscherlich had agre that racem acid crystal hand that you separ handed you two chemic that rotat polar light opposit direct and rotat version indistinguish tartar acid pasteur irrat motiv had led replic and import result thi lysenko creationist etc fail not even produc coher theori that predict theori predict and contradict experi not conced point and modifi theori suppress result lysenko divert attent evid support posit creationist mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
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sci.med	eugen articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can long make for
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit gari merril write not wild flight fanci serv can serv relat hypothesi somewhat interest that challang provid exampl thi sort come kekul sure appar thi regard extrem exampl ration process scienc success hypothesi propos ration extrem exampl connect kekul and problem fortun not extraordinari for exampl receiv conjur solut hypothes for solut everydai problem moment occupi activ quit remov algorithm for that softwar featur come trampl meadow occasion run altern wai instruct and rear son arriv weed garden swear not think idea come idea not stuff great discoveri connect problem fraught deliber and occasion fit ration sure wasn daydream kekul had special thi had perceiv analog geometri snake and problem geometri molecul and lucki such color vivid imag ala will never figur return worm loos soil garden brought count object count mind year fledg arithmet skill close examin ration mystic leap take place perhap closer formal incomplet analog model worm wiggl dirt fascin son regard ted ted lehr thought opinion and question futur system technolog group aw ibm internet lehr futserv austin ibm austin
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit avoid mistak highli desir wide acknowledg that perfection inimic creativ and ordinari life perfection carri point indic psycholog disord extrem case perfectionist becom paralyz mistak make that unabl even leav hous scienc want discov truth world and want certainti discoveri trade two desiderata search for scope and search for certainti centuri mathematician had demand total rigor newton and leibniz calculu todai two explain calculu that made sens sinc lack concept limit and fact lack rigor foundat made number error us calculu hundr year that weistrass give solid ground for idea newton and leibniz nonetheless newton and leibniz undoubtedli scienc and mathemat gain great deal applic import idea lost mistak made articl apr kestrel edu king reason dick king write write doubt einstein us formal methodolog propos numer experi perform distinguish univers special rel hold not einstein plai rule demand that hypothes put exist specif experi that disprov not rule post sci med and sci psycholog poster not support carefulli design control studi not scienc extrem that attitud that empir studi and idea noth result complet stultif scienc for thing insist elabor and expens methodolog result sort scientif trade union establish and lack institut corpor support chanc obtain hear don that thi intent arbit scientif methodolog nonetheless result and institut scienc produc wonder result foolish arrog for scientist that establish and perfect empir methodolog will come worthwhil big buck approach scienc promot signific error scienc choos investig question can readili handl fashion methodolog can readili institut corpor sponsorship for direct attent question fundament signific for instanc question cannot easili investig statist method relev factor not quantit argu that thi case for almost question area psycholog opinion perus paper result attempt psychologist forc question into statist framework lie russel turpin assert that current scientif method avoid error that ask wrong question fundament error scienc ignor potenti valuabl idea and that scientif journal full studi impecc empir method worthless wrong question ask place argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
sci.med	exercis and migrain articl apr ntmtv janet ntmtv janet jaksti write dai plai tenni lunch hour tenni shape intens exercis overh and dehydr notic tingl sensat head hour feel migrain start continu drink water afternoon cafergot didn and pain start wasn intens and that night pain subsid thi isn time that had migrain occur exercis wonder had experi and trigger migrain thi situat heat buildup dehydr not give tenni can into shape and don plai high noon prevent thi janet sound exactli mine circumst onset symptom cafergot useless durat fact peopl migrain similar such wide variat peopl respect headach that gener don bother share learn mine sinc our alik observ don heat per had winter summer dehydr conceiv figur tank plai shape doesn identifi factor that make differ list descend order import heavi exercis sleep depriv fast skip breakfast physic trauma head bonk heavi exercis preced post adolesc migrain don migrain heavi exercis session factor present sinc discov thi migrain free relaps onc two year cocki long don anymor and stop care hope thi help john
sci.med	erythromycin articl sdcc ucsd edu wsun jeev ucsd edu fiberman write erythromycin effect treat pneumonia not effect fact drug choic for uncompl case commun acquir penumonia kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	erythromycin articl sdcc ucsd edu wsun jeev ucsd edu fiberman write erythromycin effect treat pneumonia depend pneumonia for treat bacteri pneumonia young healthi smoker erythromycin consid antibiot choic sinc cover two common pathogen strep pneumonia and mycoplasma pneumonia david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr walter bellcor jchen wind bellcor jason chen write articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that funni thing personali stori reaction msg vari greatli that heart beat speed flush face claim heart skip beat onc react headach stomach ach had wateri ey run nose had itchi skin rash accus includ respir difficulti and brain damag vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you surpris surpris peopl react differ thing slightli subject case point brother stung bee allerg bee sting that reaction sever local swell not anaphylact shock not convinc doctor that that not written rule book not surpris find peopl bad reaction msg includ headach stomachach and even vomit not that stuff bad poison and ban peopl awar that can bad effect peopl lone wolf happi dream dream philip and pai price come true slyx usu edu unknown
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes sometim kekul dream wasn wee bit influenc aromat solvent vapor heh heh neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
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sci.med	can men yeast infect articl noringc fnx netcom nore netcom jon nore write articl tammi vandenboom launchpad unc edu tammi vandenboom write potenti stupid question possibl wrong new group can men yeast infect spread kind symptom similar women yeast infect and husband natur paranoid good dai gonna catch and ask not symptom answer and sci med can expand thi jon person experi that men can yeast infect nasti time time area scrotum and base peni danger for for women goddamn hurt summertim even wintertim sweat uncomfi thing can control weight and cool short degre weather that kind thing and occasion sun lost boi
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr usu edu slyx usu edu write surpris surpris peopl react differ thing slightli subject case point brother stung bee allerg bee sting that reaction sever local swell not anaphylact shock not convinc doctor that that not written rule book bee venom isn singl chemic your brother react compon that anaphylact shock peopl similarli chines food isn msg lot ingredi eat lot ingredi don consum happen msg immedi conclud that neg reaction msg not surpris find peopl bad reaction msg includ headach stomachach and even vomit surpris reaction weren due ingredi carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
sci.med	can men yeast infect nore netcom jon nore write articl tammi vandenboom launchpad unc edu tammi vandenboom write potenti stupid question possibl wrong new group can men yeast infect spread kind symptom similar women yeast infect and husband natur paranoid good dai gonna catch and ask not symptom answer and sci med can expand thi recent post account thi post alt tasteless gross detail emphas actual scientif fact
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sci.med	can wear contact prk love faq comment contact lens not option for remain correct and possibl prk interrest thi for whether thi appli prk correct prk involv corneal depth depth such differ thought proceedur simmilar except laser cut tool prk not understand differ faq vision consid clear surgeri glass alon thi completli attribut intent slight undercorrect can compens for glass contact can worn afteral import that not case and consequ surgeri interfer clear vision thing that mind fog lens glass couldn not daniel field aka infospunj lowli phlebe dfield obo calpoli edu biochemistri biotechnolog phlebottom california polytechn state medic totem pole
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl szikop cunew szikop superior carleton steven zikopoulo write apr new brandei edu reynold binah brandei edu susan reynold write scientist bias food industri articl long interest post neuroscientist told that msg us neurotoxin that lab us kill neuron mice and rat vitamin and vitamin strong amount can kill kei word dosag and exposur mechan kenneth repli ken blue njit edu for thi elabor simul run devic sit tabl picard tng
sci.med	pointer for info long shot articl zonker apr splinter coe northeastern edu regi donovan zonker silver lc mit edu write thi long shot hell net full peopl strang knowledg for suggest caus health problem rel cousin had health problem for life ag had gynecolog problem earli mid twenti and blind ey not produc moistur mass ey and ear and doctor clue actual appar eyedrop and such complet blind ey and massiv deterior sjogren syndrom induc dryness vagin tissu induc primari biliari cirrhosi abdomin swell due complic sjogren pseudolymphoma can produc splenomegali enlarg spleen rheumatologist sinc you don mention skin disord anemia joint pain you rule erythema nodosum scleroderma josh backon vm huji and thi not relat abdomen stomach swell not thi stomach organ stomach teh area bodi guess step batteri test check intern systm ey net sourc larg amount bizarr knowledg heard thi suggest thing sinc knowledg state come second hand regi zonker silver lc mit edu
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write scienc not histor progress sort ration experi data theori sequenc experi carri and interpret pre exist theoret framework theoret controversi dai determin experi huge messi affair person jealousi crazi motiv petti hatr and that determin experi and comput forward critic function scienc result don count can replic system sort mechan for gener and test gener part can total irrat long test part work properli agre paragraph repeat uncrit standard kuhn lakato feyerabend view progress and ration scienc sinc address issu thi newsgroup not distant past won into wrong observ that explicitli impress and you not fact hold thi view that common perhap even correct approach for scientist follow sit flight fanci and scheme basi jealousi and petti hatr implicitli advanc posit that scienc forward and not clear thi mean context occur gener complet ration and even random plethora hypothes and theori that weed critic function scienc thi critic function subject ration forc mysteri experiment design hypothes creation and theori construct subject jealousi and petti hatr thi equal true applic critic function replic thi lead ala feyerabend view true gener part can total irrat typic not anecdot instanc hypothesi result dream polit view simpli not gener actual histori scienc gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	seek advic experi back problem articl cbnewsk att janet cooper jmcooper cbnewsk att write mother friend mine experienc disabl back pain mri scan and doctor visit present altern live pain undergo somewhat riski oper leav paralyz sinc symptom pain weel seek advic good multi disciplinari pain clinic distress that peopl stll told live pain option for pain manag treat mri find good pain clinic will accept that thi ladi problem pain and set find wai reliev that don macki opinion anesthesiolog will disavow
sci.med	option back surgeri for protrud disc subject option back surgeri for protrud disc alex miller amil almaden ibm date apr gmt articl coyot alex miller amil almaden ibm write two week limp acut pain low back and leg osteopath mri reveal protrud and extrud disc neurosurgeon prescrib prednisol steroid anti inflamitori and bed rest for dai week and feel slightli wors darvocet time dai can deal daili activ prepar food and sleep neurosurgeon tomorrow and ask whether not thi rest help surgeri step surgic option goal resum full activ includ competit cycl add thi condit opinion result commul wear and tear had chronic low back pain for year manag you don whether not you symptom pain you numb weak bladder problem for exampl suggest for surgeri pain your symptom you find reput multi disciplinari pain clinic your area chronic low back pain gener doesn surgeri acut chronic pain symptom doesn fare correl mri find and symptom controversi don macki opinion will disavow
sci.med	for doctor kind half watch street stori last night and segment thi doctor servic investig treatment for diseas pretti name mark rennig close that watch thi correct name and address phone number
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr nmr mgh harvard edu milsh nmr mgh harvard edu alex milshteyn write thi long ago brain produc and msg natur not dose serv chines place that add that mho msg not enhanc flavor enoughf for miss chines place order food msg goo place will for you want point that food soup prepar big batch restaur won msg sometim pretti hard find thi case not alexand milshteyn milsh cipr server mgh harvard edu cipr mgh boston vox fax david considin dbc welkin gsfc nasa gov
sci.med	can men yeast infect articl apr galileo rochest edu jki uhura rochest edu beav write folk yeast infect male your bet your husband treat and cure your infect intercours you us condom form sexual releas handjob you cure can imagin want intercours full blown yeast infect chanc transmit male quit low circumcis can happen point get recurr yeast infect and suspect boyfriend and reinfect prescript interest for each dai medic week insert medic intercours result action medicin spread and simultan treat
sci.med	intens japanes pitt articl kxix cbnewsd att rcj cbnewsd att rai jender write kind half watch street stori last night and segment thi doctor servic investig treatment for diseas pretti name mark rennig close that watch thi correct name and address phone number intens japanes univers pittsburgh thi summer univers pittsburgh offer two intens japanes languag cours thi summer cours intens elementari japanes and intens intermedi japanes ten week ten credit cours each equival full year japanes languag studi begin june and end august cours meet dai per week hour per dai flat rate tuition charg per fellowship for scienc and engin student contact steven brener program manag japanes scienc and technolog manag program univers pittsburgh number address below interest individu encourag appli thi not limit univers student program announc japanes scienc and technolog manag program japanes scienc and technolog manag program jstmp program jointli develop univers pittsbugh and carnegi mellon univers student and profession engin and scientif communitit encourag appli for class commenc june and januari program object program intend promot technolog transfer japan and unit state design scientist engin and manag experi japanes proce technolog develop thi facilit extend internship japanes research facil and laboratori that provid particip opportun develop long term profession relationship japanes counterpart program design fulfil object program particip will requir develop advanc languag capabl and deep understand japan and cultur correspondingli jstmp consist major compon train japanes languag japanes languag cours will offer includ intens cours design expedit languag prepar for scientist and engin rel short time educ japanes busi and social cultur enphasi attain deep understand cultur and educ basi japanes manag approach manufactur and inform technolog cours will varieti depart univers includ anthropolog sociolog histori and polit scienc seminar and colloquium will conduct field trip japanes manufactur research facil unit state will schedul internship studi mission japan complet languag and cultur train pitt and cmu particip will opportun japan and observ and particip manag technolog internship japan will gener run for year shorter fellowship cover tuition for languag and cultur cours stipend for live expens for inform and applic materi contact steven brener susi brown jstmp carnegi mellon univers gsia univers pittsburgh pittsburgh forb quadrangl telephon pittsburgh fax telephon fax interest individu compani and institut respond phone mail not inquir mail note that thi direct grad and profession advanc undergrad will consid fund restict citizen and perman resid steve brener
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write articl apr delphi gsfc nasa gov packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charl packer write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial check post your you miss amidst flurri respons us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ diet and system get thrown glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write wrong observ that explicitli impress and you not fact hold thi view that common perhap even correct approach for scientist follow sit flight fanci and scheme basi jealousi and petti hatr flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi lot scientist fantasi lead creativ work won admit loud fantasi prior consumpt beer simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit hope that essenti part control mechan for eukaryot gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc that occur time human genom for warren fantasi turn transposon that present copi replic and copi back into genom hand characterist transposon elucid necess cellular revers transcriptas recogn and standard method recogn human dna creat speci set transposon fortun for warren and us eat dinner fridai time implicitli advanc posit that scienc forward and not clear thi mean context occur gener complet ration and even random plethora hypothes and theori that weed critic function scienc not that random ration mechan for gener rich set interest hypothes you work unknown area that you will sens not true circumst thing follow instinct you wrong you will find you will find you experi random prior concept mind you will thi critic function subject ration forc mysteri critic function sometim becom hostag ration forc varieti patholog scienc lysenko mirski opposit dna gene cold fusion and experiment design hypothes creation and theori construct subject jealousi and petti hatr thi equal true applic critic function replic thi lead ala feyerabend view don agre that thi follow fact thi exactli point disagre feyerabend import part cultur scienc that jealousi refere process failur aplenti thing work anoth point coupl sens phrase experiment design that ration part experiment choic not design alexand fleme proc royal soc chose for bacteriophag mucu for strang reason phage had previous found locust diarrhea fleme thought runni bottom runni nose hell worth method for phage design detect phage fact found lysozym true gener part can total irrat typic not anecdot instanc hypothesi result dream polit view simpli not gener actual histori scienc not clear you mean ration irrat perhap you can give exampl surpris experi that for perfectli ration reason interest theori that advanc logic ground main exampl can modern high energi physic not typic scienc mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit jason chen write vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you yeah you read part you quot you left part at thing thing bit you complain that peopl blame msg automat sinc unknown and equal not unreason defend automat assum that can culprit pepper make sneez doesn affect you fine don wrong for peopl aren condemn chines food chen option ingredi not person
sci.med	can wear contact prk articl apr zeu calpoli edu dfield flute calpoli edu infospunj dan field write love faq comment contact lens not option for remain correct and possibl prk interrest thi for whether thi appli prk had prk suggest ask doctor contact mine contact scar preclud contact correct prk involv corneal depth depth such differ thought proceedur simmilar except laser cut tool prk not understand differ make radial cut circumfer cornea and chang curvatur cornea stress chage prk vapor burn thin layer front cornea make optic axi ey shorter laser doesn cut prk vapor ey cut into faq vision consid clear surgeri glass alon thi completli attribut intent slight undercorrect can compens for glass contact can worn afteral import that not case and consequ surgeri interfer clear vision thing that mind fog lens glass couldn not find vision clear for thing and clear for night notic definit halo night dark automobil headlamp thi not spend inordin amount time for ordinari thing vision fulli oper peripher vision clearer glass contact jojo fresh clean speak you want live todai american american bit and even
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl jduo unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write can hope explain kekul had daydream snake fire bite tail sure wasn daydream had special thi had perceiv analog geometri snake and problem geometri molecul such analog reason extra scientif heart scienc peric notion abduct us model and across disciplin close examin ration mystic leap take place perhap closer formal incomplet analog model feel repeat kekul dream bad exampl read root bernstein book histori benzen ring mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qlgdrinn gap caltech edu carl sol gp caltech edu write articl apr usu edu slyx usu edu write surpris surpris peopl react differ thing slightli subject case point brother stung bee allerg bee sting that reaction sever local swell not anaphylact shock not convinc doctor that that not written rule book bee venom isn singl chemic your brother react compon that anaphylact shock peopl hmmm last time stung bee experienc reaction poster brother doctor worri fact that foot time normal size and itch basic shouldn thi time that bee sting allergi not you tend aclimat that each time progress wors gener and that time time into anaphylact shock admittedli thi year ago young sinc make don stung carri bee sting kit don thi isn scientif proof thi lead not reaction degre reaction allergi work that peopl reaction sort diabet peopl can monitor diet monitor diet and us insulin sometim watch diet hawk and us insulin regularli msg similar peopl allerg reaction peopl allerg ferment thing and can us soi sauc chines for centuri that doesn necessarili mean that safe for johanna turner reed edu
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot articl inna mojo eng umd edu georgec eng umd edu georg clark write you can swab insid your nose bacitracin tip bacitracin antibiot that can bought otc ointment tube doctor listen radio appli for dai you take antibiot mouth doctor gave prescript todai for call septra problem and sensit stomach begin thi antibiot good suggest for avoid upset stomach tip phil haan dod that honda that natur execut america you reli peopl you us donald fehr execut director major leagu basebal player associ
sci.med	msg sensit superstit carl sol gp caltech edu carl lydick write bee venom isn singl chemic your brother react compon that anaphylact shock peopl similarli chines food isn msg lot ingredi eat lot ingredi don consum happen msg immedi conclud that neg reaction msg arghhhhhhhhhh read memo that person had peopl order exact food two time restaur and peopl that order food for not time msg food and time not food time had reaction time not reaction time msg food that differ restaur ingredi eat lot ingredi don consum happen msg immedi conclud that neg reaction msg eat lot chines food love chines food learn food restaur that not us msg prepar food msg order food restaur that will hold msg and never soup restaur that cook msg not reaction you understand reaction msg not reaction msg you troubl understand thi word you not understand and dictionari for you great secret success marriag treat disast incid and incid disast harold nicholson mari allison mari uicsl csl uiuc edu urbana illinoi
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qmlgainnjab col col cab col chri write jason chen write vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you yeah you read part you quot you left part at thing thing bit food poison even peopl share food you complain that peopl blame msg automat sinc unknown and equal not unreason defend automat assum that can culprit boi you comput peopl and not logic not msg not culprit argu that that reason doubt convict msg you want convict msg show evid not quilti suspicion pepper make sneez doesn affect you fine don wrong for forc you chang you don want preach ban pepper that make sneez that exactli anti msg activitiest peopl aren condemn chines food chen option ingredi not person peopl last chen don necessarili chines restaur not interest you enjoi chines food not exploit last name discredit issu hit below belt interest truth give you excert recent fda hear evid oral consum glutam effect brain richard wurtman massachusett institut technolog anecdot experi individu superstit not scienc don glutam made sick and robert kennei georg washington univers conduct doubl blind test show that peopl react msg had similar reaction thought had msg not contradict person stori told thi group due anti msg emot run high that blame for and purpos present balanc view issu outnumb jason chen
sci.med	can wear contact prk articl apr zeu calpoli edu dfield flute calpoli edu infospunj dan field write love faq comment contact lens not option for remain correct and possibl prk interrest thi for whether thi appli prk correct prk involv corneal depth depth such differ myopia cornea curv bulg center prk laser remov small amount materi center surgeon cut incis edg heal and scar reshap cornea mechan and action place
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qmlgainnjab col col cab col chri write jason chen write vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you yeah you read part you quot you left part at thing thing bit perhap lead you that msg and not ingredi food that made you ill peopl aren condemn chines food chen option ingredi not person and you condemn ingredi evid that that ingredi you react carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
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sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem advic situat occur and physican upset thi doctor for problem recur pain suggest medic and treatment and told that call dai begin medic that monitor effect gener health exactli ask and made call reach secretari explain that doctor request and that worri pain episod frequent and medic not effect doctor call back and word you want you make quick busi and don time chit chat you told simpli instruct call dai statu and that feel wors ask perhap time for talk had time respond spit time good time rais voic start feel upset and explain quickli condit nervous interf choic word and kind stutter and never mind and talk colleagu medic and call time thi doctor call that even and didn express confus want thi point pretti upset and told amazingli polit voic angri felt that earlier manner had hurt feel told that doesn time rap patient and thought that want told that assum call rap insult and that order respond that resent implic that felt make that not interest learn patient condit statu gave thi apolog that miscommun and you mistakenli thought insult not insult you not that knowledg pain and don lot time deal that told call dai for instruct deal pain and medic upset and not call question continu thi doctor manag care sinc pain and realiz that thi anxiet perhap react overli sensit thi doctor refer colleagu type pain statu condit afraid call marlena
sci.med	sore throat articl sdcc ucsd edu wsun jeev ucsd edu fiberman write had sore throat for almost week into mirror aid flash light white plaqu back throat side health center throat cultur that not strep throat viral infect white plaqu side throat not doctor thi sound tonsil lit swollen tonsil feel your jaw hing for swell each side you find tonsil had thi coupl time past doctor prescrib week penicillin and that clear case associ glandular fever viral infect point view resembl flu and tonsil that come back for year blood test for thi conclus doctor you not paul paul johnson paj gec mrc tel ext idea and can had gec marconi research not for each reput idealist respons for opinion
sci.med	centrifug articl jsm hr lznj lincroftnj ncr rjf lzsc lincroftnj ncr efw robert feddel write explain centrifug and us for vagu remembr that spin test tube fast rememb youd want that pure recreat bore sit that rack time thi wrong purpos preserv substanc tube longer creat relativist speed and time dilat slow subject time test tube bore you think david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem sound heart place not adept express you receiv meant profound apolog apolog deliv overwork shy peopl come that michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
sci.med	post fever rash time subject line time run fever amaz rosi rash torso and arm fortun doesn itch rash come dai fever break and matter ill cold flu start happen year ago move current town don that sever and persist rash vari fever sever long last fever bring long last rash mild fever bring rash that faster caus thi embarass curiou carri kind fever resist bug that wild fever knock competit jim jone
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qkdpk agat berkelei edu mossman cea berkelei edu ami mossman write had similar reaction chines food completli conclus eaten chines food for ag and never had problem chines malaysian friend swanki chins rest and order lot stuff had never thing can rememb that meal scallop serv shell soi type sauc thought had scallop onc and sick that coincid that night sat bathroom floor sweat and empti stomach hard decid never touch anoth scallop not allerg don want chanc don react scallop discomfort clam juic serv american waterfront seafood bar don whether juic homemad can encount chines restaur syndrom ten year ago hour won ton soup collaps chair face feel puf scalp tingl feet weak stand symptom last for minut determin find reaction back chines restuar and order dish thing happen quick insid kitchen reveal noth ordinari had mild attack soup thai restuar
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi lot scientist fantasi lead creativ work won admit loud fantasi prior consumpt beer simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit hope that essenti part control mechan for eukaryot gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc you character thi flight fanci fantasi unfamiliar scientif context appear obviou that specul for lack neutral word signific part consequ knowledg and accept current theori coupl observ that quit ration attempt fit observ into that theori tailor theori cover observ thi not exampl call flight fanci fantasi not clear you mean ration irrat perhap you can give exampl surpris experi that for perfectli ration reason interest theori that advanc logic ground main exampl can modern high energi physic not typic scienc thi thread us word extra scientif etc prepar give gener account ration term exampl danger begin quibbl surpris experi count surpris etc logic ground point that quit frequent perhap even frequent root theori can trace previous exist theori even previous reject hypothes theori domain offer exampl such toricelli pui dome experi for sake sea air hypothesi thi theori and result experiment test surpris prior explan phenomena involv count theori construct and experi design perfectli ration ground pretti success and theori fluid analog fluid toricelli explicit novelti think air fluid thi quit novelti time theori interest argu that extens exist theori domain thi beg question can debat that you gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qhu agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write wors that such thing doubl blind studi effect msg virtu fact that msg tast food characterist that detect subject and that cannot duplic placebo common you can easili disguis flavor msg put capsul studi becom doubl blind msg capsul control capsul contain exactli content minu msg mark feblowitz gte laboratori inc sylvan waltham mfeblowitz gte fax
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write articl apr delphi gsfc nasa gov packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charl packer write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial check post your you miss amidst flurri respons us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ diet and system get thrown glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton order excitotoxin effect msg msg that blood blood brain barrier that not msg can not normal condit concentr glutam cerebrospin fluid that high activ type glutam receptor nmda receptor question neuron and glial cell brain lot transport glutam into neuron glial exact concentr glutam neuron glutam import neurotransmitt central nervou system involv not daili life control movement alsoinvolv develpo memori and learn involv logn term potentialt that thought basi learn
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial check post your hate break thi you articl number uniqu per site mean machin you miss amidst flurri respons you mean respons point doubl blind test show such chines restaur effect uniqu msg elicit placebo us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg youself can read scientif paper and appar come bizarr crack idea noth us thi substanc human nutrit for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit undisput literatur that glutam amino acid excitatori neurotransmitt evid that excess releas glutam involv patholog condit stroke drown and lou gehrig diseas name thi complet issu us thi ubiquit amino acid food peopl not receiv intra ventricular inject glutam and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ don premier import diet and system get thrown sez you such effect human not demonstr control studi infant mice and model not relev matter hand not that favor us thing babi food patent ridicul us addit reason that msg diet effect human advers glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food wrong you aspart phenylalanin soft drink milligram worth compar that glass milk you glutam present protein contain food compar that ad us msg eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect notic subtl cover ass sensit disput size that class read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput impecc disput steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot articl dehp calvin edu dehp calvin edu phil haan write articl inna mojo eng umd edu georgec eng umd edu georg clark write you can swab insid your nose bacitracin tip bacitracin antibiot that can bought otc ointment tube doctor listen radio appli for dai you take antibiot mouth doctor gave prescript todai for call septra problem and sensit stomach begin thi antibiot good suggest for avoid upset stomach tip septra daughter time for ear infect work sometim sulfa drug problem found that sensit and develop rash dai ten dai septra for doctor remiss not tell watch for rash quit dark and didn realiz that drug reaction harm doug dougla rand drand osf org osf motif dev snail cambridg center cambridg disclaim don osf agre vote amateur radio
sci.med	msg sensit superstit packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charl packer write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us blood pressur soar heart pound and can sleep for life feel drank cup coffe avoid and beet sugar flavor enhanc beet powder and name basicali read ingredi and don don bui product msg sensit defin real rel schmel richard clark opinion and lunatik watch for road not fault vote perot circumst richard ti compani
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit agre that lee ladi wrote previou post thi thread case thi puzzl peopl expand two comment articl jodh new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write avoid mistak highli desir wide acknowledg that perfection inimic creativ extrem case perfectionist becom paralyz mistak make that unabl even leav hous import and difficult aspect reason empir investig li understand context scope and import argument and piec evid that marshal for claim error break back piec research leav hole that fill and trivial import grave mistak confus past snippet thi thread doubt einstein us formal methodolog propos numer experi perform distinguish univers special rel hold not back lee ladi not rule post sci med and sci psycholog poster not support carefulli design control studi not scienc poster make mistak that previous critic adher methodolog recip carefulli design and control studi import hand propos remedi that supposedli allevi chronic medic problem knowledg error that plagu thi kind claim for carefulli design and control studi allevi skeptic rule such support hypothesi carefulli design and control studi narrow appli investig that requir for reason convinc depend greatli kind mistak that occur past reason kind thing reus previou exampl that conclus uncontrol observ treatment chronic medic problem notori problemat russel
sci.med	amniocentesi differ purpos amniocentesi and chorion villi sampl sound similar intend detect thing
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc you character thi flight fanci fantasi fantasi that had found fundament import hot question dai had reason raw hope fantasi don mean velikovskian mania theori domain offer exampl such toricelli pui dome experi for sake sea air hypothesi not familiar histori thi experi arguabl surpris prior explan phenomena involv count theori construct and experi design perfectli ration ground pretti success and theori fluid analog fluid toricelli explicit novelti think air fluid thi quit novelti time theori interest argu that extens exist theori domain thi beg question can debat that you that contemporari found result surpris that not quibbl toricelli reason for experi not post hoc construct reason thought head consid problem imposs toricelli thought that bad root bernstein servic scienc that root pasteur and fleme and peopl note and discov surpris clue motiv pasteur never publicli admit plan creat mirror imag life dream notebook final public year readi for read and and friend ridicul reason for pursu result mad colleagu for poorli written claim disprov claim toricelli case exampl rareti fantasi not motiv experi turn end mark mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
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sci.med	eugen articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write year type eugen will thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend two thought that psycholog will easier for gener accept genet manipul that peopl frown mess natur ignor eon practic that human intervent arrog and hubri and manipul routin natur and not big deal interest human trait will massiv polygenet and full trade off addit posit social environ for cultiv genet gift won advantag made peopl will pursu grail quest turn chri schaeffer
sci.med	food relat seizur articl paulson apr cmb larc nasa gov paulson tab larc nasa gov sharon paulson write post thi group hope find network newsland heard similar describ fourteen year daugter experienc seizur novemb eat kellog frost flake perfectli healthi had never experienc thi and histori seizur side famili test eeg mri ekg neg decis made noth and wait happen fine and morn april had bowl anoth kellog frost kind cereal fruit loop embarrass admit that even bought that junk onc pour bowl and thi kind junk eat had that seizur ten minut had full blown seizur thi exposur sugar coat cereal sinc last seizur daughter epilepsi and attend monthli parent support group wednesdai night mother tell decid throw junk food and made differ year seizur seizur per week report that thi thursdai had seizur saturdai and week seizur easter grandma and at candi pop want had seizur dai see sensit nutrasweet sugar color caffin and corn corn get nervou and aggres daughter ag sensit and stai food never had gum won eat candi prefer appl cooki doesn chocol and won even us toothpast brother hand junk food addict hope thi help good luck
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sci.med	panic disord success stori post thi sci psycholog april and your post panic disord thought relev research that two school thought exist literatur promot medic superior treatment not surprisingli literatur promot cognit therapi claim superior fact earli research didn bia medic cognit therapi interest treatment that work read journal publish cognit therapi camp claim higher success rate approx lower drop rate and side effect associ medic lar goran ost publish excel articl titl appli relax descript cope techniqu and review control studi thi behav re ther vol articl instruct perform appli relax briefli you start two minut session daili and progress week perform thirti second session daili snail mail thi articl interest usa intern pai for postag mark vonwaadn kuhub ukan edu
sci.med	food relat seizur told that corn allergi fairli common wife and exacerb sugar eaten corn suppos that person verg epilepsi allerg reaction seizur don gordon michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
sci.med	post polio syndrom inform need wife becom interest acquaint post polio syndrom thi appar not recognis zealand and sympton chest complaint treat separ anon inform keith
sci.med	msg sensit superstit carl lydick and you condemn ingredi evid that that ingredi you react you will mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event steve
sci.med	hepat articl apr dosgat russel sinclair dai canrem russel sinclair dai write worri not know fact doctor state that thing will not good carrier and avoid question subject can step and plan advanc for eventu you for your inform post find that can russ hep infect can eventu chronic hepat and subsequ cirrhosi not patient hep chronic hepat occur good number and mind hepat hep frequent lead chronic hep and cirrhosi autimmun chronic hepat that affect younger women lead cirrhosi cirrhosi unkind diseas danger effect relat portal hypertens and loss liver function patient develop life threaten varic bleed and hepat coma problem result disturb hepat circul omin can exhibit effect hyperestrogenemia character patient cirrhosi effect includ telangiactasia small red skin lesion and men gynecomastia breast develop real treatment for cirrhosi liver transplant mind that cirrhosi not expect statist your friend case nevertheless you want bring subject chronic diseas and cirrhosi doctor hopefulli can carefulli explain sequela hep infect you and offer you support simon
sci.med	food relat seizur paulson tab larc nasa gov sharon paulson describ fourteen year daugter experienc seizur novemb eat kellog frost flake fine and morn april had bowl anoth kellog frost kind cereal fruit loop mention at time reason for seizur neurologist basic negat that idea thi second episod similar natur even scratch head data that sugar coat cereal seizur haven even anecdot common eaten you child adolesc doesn eat stuff that relationship noth weird cereal brain concern for infantil metabol disord such galactosemia sugar sugar coat cereal sprinkl cereal dissolv soda coffe interest year ago aspartam lower seizur threshold don slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
sci.med	thi migrain geb pitt edu gordon bank hmo stop order hmo test order that somewhat overbroad statement hmo fee for lab test subtract doctor incom includ work for direct incent order profit group share partner group larg that individu gener cost miniscul effect don that order not amount order rel averag british neurologist suspect that drastic order slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
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sci.med	homeopathi respect medic tradit articl hlbu tripo homer tripo webster homer write mhollowa sunysb edu michael hollowai write your error thi show confus your part drum roll scienc isn gather evid support assert read hypothesi gather empir observ order make hypothesi convinc you not shouldn final product product made your error observ hypothesi that not taint theori theori make observ observ will made theori mind absolut make observ gener sens observ made human be and made bias your messag leav talk hypothesi and get back onc equat busi scienc end result gizmo produc scienc work develop theori paradigm poor deal paradigm shift develop paradigm that explain homeopathi chines medicin spontan combust paradigm will show make observ that prove disprov point isn whether not you paradigm you come develop paradigm modern medicin that bodi can reduc set essenti mechan oper diseas malfunct machineri essenti newtonian model world like that theori base thi paradigm not give complet discript univers medicin heal etc recogn import psycholog compon heal perhap you admit that thi oversimplif your part topic philosophi scienc made for make that summar popular misconcept scienc and busi scienc biomed research doesn make basic assumpt that aren disciplin scientif research that that you make empir observ form hypothesi and test modern medicin biochemistri newtonian model world and doubt that psychologist put thi empir world view psycholog biochemistri spoon bend import distinguish reason scienc scienc reason scientif methodolog aristotl reason that frog mud observ hop puddl oversimplifi good exampl thi empir observa tion test perhap not aristotl and eventu found want meantim folk will continu spontan gener anim life noth surpris thi gather knowledg work thing disciplin molecular biologi that will found total base even idiot futur futur peopl won come relev had suddenli zen and had vision lsd trip will thought and test thi bit that peopl relish misrepres scienc and research can wrap mind scienc creativ process factual and good research can total turn head tommorrow result and theori get defin you mean scienc don recogn that and involv scienc portrai popular media write peopl human portrai scienc collect immut fact pronounc truth big gold letter that silli into lab turn stone and come mechan for transcript regula tion interest that human process
sci.med	organ donat and transplant fact sheet previou articl dougb comm mot doug bank articl apr sbc sunysb edu mhollowa sunysb edu organ donor healthi peopl di suddenli accid head injuri brain dead organ aliv mechan mean you defin healthi peopl wife cannot donat blood malari region past year fact bone marrow type and wouldn even that can donat blood not malari region diagnos and surgic treat for testicular cancer blood bank wont accept blood for year wouldn treat problem knowingli introduc anoth cancer mestast imperfect understand fact that gonad cancer danger thi regard haven research don recal hear case cancer transmit blood transfus common sens kind arbitrari precaut transmiss diseas malaria anoth stori michael hollowai mail mhollowa ccmail sunysb edu mail freenet forward phone
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr ohsu edu tong ohsu edu gong tong write articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ diet and system get thrown glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton order excitotoxin effect msg msg that blood blood brain barrier that not msg can not elev level glu and asp blood bypass blood brain barrier circumventricular organ cvo adeno and neurohypophysi pituitari gland area arcuat nucleu hypothalamu and median emin region effect cvo area not subject blood brain barrier area control releas gonadotropin control releas and flux steroid govern develop sexual develop adult rat sensit glu human observ ingest glu chronic basi cycl steroid disrupt blood level somatostatin significantli reduc and cyclic releas steroid becom flatten hope thi help diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
sci.med	friend advic friend mine symptom and ask post inform week ago notic that hair start fall touch head and strand hair fall year continu occur had bald spot size half dollar sinc that time two bald spot size symptom describ includ month irregular menstrual cycl strang for extrem regular laryng dai will wake morn and almost voic and dai fine dizzi spell claim that had bad dizzi spell earli morn includ that knock ground and gener fatigu dermatologist couldn find reason for symptom and internist suspect thyroid problem blood work and claim that back normal concern and confus idea suggest told that thought endocrinologist that sound idea case you recent medic that symptom hasn recent chang hair product and hasn perm color chemic process that hair fall advanc for
sci.med	eumem eugen year type eugen will even sooner map human genom will start work manipul that genom genet engin will insert gene want breed hybrid etc ethic question thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can year will disassembl and assembl bodi molecular level not will flawless cosmet surgeri flawless cosmet psychosurgeri will store price shelf price bar code good your head and catch error make store favor safewai will mental edit and spell check your respons question pose phone caller sell vacat time share option todai nation risk threat not bad gene bad meme meme basic unit cultur oppos gene unit genet stand brink meme amplif technolog harm meme restrict destruct power will run rampant countrysid lai wast real benefit that futur technolog offer for exampl jeremi rifkin busi whip emot genet engin tomato develop calgen thi gui invent harm meme virtual memet typhoid mari expand public health law includ quarantin peopl harm meme not allow infect peopl meme genet engin food electromagnet field and space shuttl solid rocket booster
sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem repli mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington sound heart place not adept express you receiv meant profound apolog apolog deliv overwork shy peopl come that gui didn sound shy sound jerk ditch for knowledg and empathet david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl jodh new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write big buck approach scienc promot signific error scienc choos investig question can readili handl fashion methodolog can readili institut corpor sponsorship for direct attent question fundament signific shade jame watson that exactli worker describ misgiv human genom project you rigid definit scientif research mere accumul data not scienc earli argument project that resourc us focu specif genet relat problem and collect map and sequenc project can narrowli defin easili describ
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sci.med	desper bad luck and call granuloma ingunal involv growth granul groin found check medicin book and found prescript and can clinic cure serv duti armi and imposs prevent know thi leav dai for two week for treatment bought prescrib tablet drugstor cure inject streptomycin dose hour for dai can bui tool and thi solut don inject can kind peopl can arm hip info and write post your take tablet and can wait don flame for post thi and don judg learn lesson and real medic desper taipei
sci.med	select placebo romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write don doubt that placebo effect aliv and medic modal estim higher altern versu convent medicin time closer experi substanc altern intervent good intent practition quit therapeut john badan romda uclink berkelei edu that case your practic hard time figur you even manag make into bottom half your class you creat your diploma crayon run medic practic success rate tackl problem for not qualifi treat conscienc and busi for fraudul purpos otoh kid england medic journal ran head nineti percent diseas not treatabl drug surgeri echo report md not amus altern medicin sinc magic placebo effect award altern practition twice success rate convent medicin ron roseread purranoia fear your cat rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	scientif yawn gordon rubenfeld respond ron roth ron roth rose ron roth wrote gordon result not scientif stamp approv you and your patient follow convinc you written your method uncontrol undocu unreport unsubstanti subject endpoint research great rest care gordon even you beat thi issu death you never stalem thi never forc type medicin you patient happi happi you and your peer miser bemoan steadi loss patient altern camp europ steadi exodu synthet medicin for decad and matter time peopl thi contin will abandon drug and white coat worship and visit doctor for you ron point isn whether you and your patient convinc that you work whether you effect similar case you you treat cup bloodlet and placebo thi interest come exactli conclus regard convent medicin you don treat ladi that wouldn bulk patient consist teacher lawyer judg nurs account univers graduat and health practition peopl result method unsuccess wouldn lose sleep whether you your peer approv treatment face blunder commit scientif md year lot peopl hold your scientif method lower esteem hold mine ayurveda crystal homeopathi ron roth equal placebo administ trap not familiar interest appear ag medicin ayurveda crystal except homeo pathi gordon you knew that you want make system bit us homeopathi sinc cellular test emr hard beat for accuraci and miner predict homeopathi problem reliabl acut condit except perhap homeopath nosod act fairli quickli and depend viral bacteri situat colleagu and spend hour debat studi design and result even therapi accept standard good adequ scientist prepar present data abandon deepli held belief favor idea met challeng hundr sceptic verifi accuraci measur miner statu total satisfac tion word involv happi you cook meal you worri whether thi world find like that end eat sinc financ research project that undertaken don follow your rule guid line satisfi aspect grant applic you concern whether not studi design meet your criteria accept ron convict ruler truth flat earth center univers and epilepsi curs god justif for uneduc person grow uncivil environ flat earth for civil educ and scientif train mind follow doctrin evolut genet engin final frontier show god properli becom capabl creat paradis and give diseas and god boot rid for good perhap leav pointer solv coupl tini problem such war poverti racism crime riot substanc abus and last thing give hint control natur disast weather and last not peac ron roseread lab call your brain readi rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	select placebo russel turpin respond articl ron roth don doubt that placebo effect aliv and medic modal estim higher altern versu convent medicin you that you show thi care measur suspect you paper worthi public varieti medic journal russel you notic question mark end sentenc address that question that person dog name sugar and peopl opinion love come studi support claim that placebo effect preval altern compar convent medicin perhap studi includ patient respond dissatisfi convent versu altern doctor practition like punch face success treatment doesn meet expect patient ron roseread doubt make sound convinc rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	eumem eugen cross post and followup direct talk polit theori articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write todai nation risk threat not bad gene bad meme meme basic unit cultur oppos gene unit genet expand public health law includ quarantin peopl harm meme word jail peopl wrong thing thi advocaci can ugli meme mark robert thorson advoc jail russel
sci.med	desper articl apr debbi nctu edu mjliu csie nctu edu ming zhou liu write bad luck and call granuloma ingunal involv growth granul groin found check medicin book and found prescript ming zhou liu main problem that incompet physician thi physician diagnos problem even never diagnos diseas and idea kind problem can present similar symptom thi physician treat case thi diseas medic commun thing ming zhou liu fire current physician and seek russel
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk recent post remind that had read risk associ barbecu food that carcinogen gener thi valid concern function smoke elev temperatur function cook element wood charcoal lava rock
sci.med	post polio syndrom inform need repli keith actrix gen keith stewart wife becom interest acquaint post polio syndrom thi appar not recognis zealand and sympton chest complaint treat separ anon inform you and ask for medic inform subject specif question like type textbook chapter cover aspect subject you for comprehens review your local hospit librarian happi request thi sort briefli thi condit patient signific residu weak childhood polio notic progress weak older theori that remain motor neuron work harder and die sooner david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	crash program basic immunolog research articl wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd gari kronk write contempl thi idea for time not doctor wife nurs and lot doctor and nurs point that doctor and nurs not sick peopl medic profess thi love area for anecdot you physician almost never sick horrend don mild case sick unusu thi not situat medic school pediatr never had younger sibl and pediatr ward suddenli found confront sort infecti challeng that bodi not readi for pediatr for solid month ill and had temp final exam happen that train and constantli expos thing and usual reaction that challeng like exposur for deal and mild ill don that immun system hype don forget that hospit flora home and carri lot that
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write wrong observ that explicitli impress and you not fact hold thi view that common perhap even correct approach for scientist follow sit flight fanci and scheme basi jealousi and petti hatr flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi lot scientist fantasi lead creativ work won admit loud fantasi prior consumpt beer danger philosoph scienc that theori and gener can end remov actual dai dai grunt bench great involv process can walk into lab heavi night dream and for hell long advisor doesn catch easi stamp such behavior purpos life grant review committe and peer review process gener todai world that determin scienc get fund and damn good thing flight fantasi don chanc produc not biomed research surest for graduat student ruin life work lab boss concern flesh fantasi student work project that good chanc produc result prone thi aberr behavior simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit hope that essenti part control mechan for eukaryot gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc that occur time human genom for warren fantasi turn transposon that present copi replic and copi back into genom hand characterist transposon elucid necess cellular revers transcriptas recogn and standard method recogn human dna creat speci set transposon fortun for warren and us eat dinner fridai time agre gari merril respons thi read alot alu and middl repetit sequenc work and interest good work implic for field molecular genet exampl reason project turn interest result that unexpect mike
sci.med	lyme vaccin kathleen richard kilti ucrengr wrote year pomeranian had nasti reaction thi vaccin suffic will not vaccin for lyme diseas camp state and backpack and us watch for tick and deal and simpli won activ lyme diseas area not drag thi anymor veterinarian feel that lyme diseas dog easi treat that endem area give antibiot dog present lame swollen joint fever recent paper march final establish that lyme diseas dog can reproduc control experimentali set thi ellus matter for research and fundament requir for acknowledg agent causit diseas vaccin manufactur prove that diseas exist thi paper noteworthi two regard anim infect treat dog had episod lame week period occur month exposur thi period show clinic sign month observ period studi proven clinic sick lyme patient show spontan recoveri benefit drug treatment observ longer month will diseas doesn chronic that human addendum paper call into question techniqu us vaccin manufactur valid vaccin want world us model develop order test vaccin efficaci will independ scientif sound evalu thi vaccin year jeff park jeffp pgavin vetm wsu edu jeffp wsuvm bitnet aol jeffpark washington state univers colleg veterinari medicin class pullman
sci.med	diet work great articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write keith person heard that weight consciou effort control eat behavior diet lot back morbid obes attribut success factor low fat cook meal for eat fruit veget and grain bran cereal estim percent calori fat sugar salt high fiber american gram recommend and sometim heard peopl take fiber pill that pill can fiber make differ like get fat pop fat pill tablet small you snarf hundr daili clean your plate condit work for eat last take half eat time and satieti chanc catch don feel hungri and start eat don eat not hungri hungri shortli and eat won practic bike work mile dai year round fast bike store movi and never own car estim thi burn calori dai help build and maintain muscl mass prevent insulin resist diabet run famili and increas metabol even metabol low that rest comfort temperatur and wear sweater drop cycl motiv avoid excess ounc cyclist routin pai premium for cycl product that weigh slightli easier and cheaper trim weight rider vehicl question mind that metabol radic that peopl never fat fortun isn that preclud excel health can swear that obes person will success never heard and didn succe cycl success depend larg fluctuat cycl peopl can cycl pound weight cycl whether not fat eat extrem salt eat salti weight can increas overnight ten pound come week two keith lynch kfl access digex
sci.med	emphysema question repli initi question jersei week and surpris respons back person ask nicotin patch market habitrol ciba pharmaceut nicoderm marion meril dow alza made nicotrol warner lambert cygnu made prostep made elan and market
sci.med	food relat seizur rememb hear year back therapi for hyperact involv aggress elimin artifici color and flavor diet theori back interest anecdot result that peopl sensit chemic peopl don rememb connect made seizur couldn hurt natur diet
sci.med	problem nutrasweet aspartam phenylketonuria diseas bodi cannot process phenylalanin can build blood and seizur and neurolog damag odd side effect that urin can deepli color red wine peopl condit avoid nutrasweet chocol and rich phenylalanin aspartam accus caus vagu neurolog symptom pat robertson program club beat drum aspartam vigor for year that issu push back burner for last year appar evid not strong pat flail
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qnn agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event you forgot smilei face can thi turn berkelei you aberr steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	blood glucos test strip articl apr omen caf omen chuck forsberg kgx write articl apr clpd kodak young serum kodak write human glucos fast number for blood plasma serum plasma number blood number for human tend somewhat lower roughli percent lower find rang for blood fundament clinic chemistri teitz editor saunder human glucos blood fast level strip calibr for measur blood measur blood level not accur serum test laboratori problem that cell sampl continu metabol glucos sampl drawn reduc appar level teitz result compar laboratori result valu below tend lower strip test valu can errat convers factor human plasma glucos and blood pin prick glucos concentr state blood level tend roughli percent lower serum level sampl fresh will affect blood level don defin convers factor sinc cell metabol will affect sampl vari degre serum plasma test prefer for gener ball park test rich young not kodak opinion
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write you miss amidst flurri respons you mean respons point doubl blind test show such chines restaur effect uniqu msg elicit placebo peopl respond anecdot stori safe origin poster familiar such stori hard info substanti refut claim msg make peopl ill similarli debunk such claim research whether literatur and lab equal besid point origin poster doubt that peopl chines restaur syndrom bogu placebo interest irrelev question effect msg you real effect and placebo effect peopl allergi addit us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg youself can read scientif paper and appar come bizarr crack idea noth us thi substanc human nutrit you read olnei work fail cite result peer review studi qualifi bizarr crack for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit undisput literatur that glutam amino acid excitatori neurotransmitt evid that excess releas glutam involv patholog condit stroke drown and lou gehrig diseas name thi complet issu us thi ubiquit amino acid food peopl not receiv intra ventricular inject glutam test rhesu monkei never studi mode administr intra ventricular glu and asp administ oral studi us and intra ventricular not normal admin method for food tox studi for obviou reason you not read peer review work that refer you never come thi brain inject bunk diet and system get thrown sez you such effect human not demonstr control studi infant mice and model not relev matter hand not that favor us thing babi food patent ridicul us addit reason that msg diet effect human advers pardon you get thi you read journal you thorough literatur search you mice aren studi thi time sensit human msg glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food wrong you aspart phenylalanin soft drink milligram worth compar that glass milk you glutam present protein contain food compar that ad us msg point exceed window amino acid note that peopl pku cannot toler phenylalanin olnei research compar infant human diet specif amount freeli glu mother milk versu commerci babi food typic lunch item standard american diet such packag soup mix found that exce project safeti margin for infant human fold singl meal process food mother milk below effect dose read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput impecc disput interest you provid peer review food industri fund citat articl disput that msg effect whatsoev steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer hmm not surpris diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
sci.med	problem nutrasweet aspartam nutrasweet synthet sweeten coupl thousand time sweeter sugar peopl concern chemic that bodi produc degrad nutrasweet thought form formaldehyd and for methanol degred pathwai that bodi elimin substanc real issu whether level methanol and formaldehyd produc high signific damag toxic live cell can that will not consum phenylalanin noth for you worri amino acid and small quantiti for protein synthesi bodi peopl diseas phenylketoneurea and miss enzym degrad thi compound and elimin bodi for will accumul bodi and high level thi toxic grow nerv cell major problem young children ag women pregnant and thi disord us lead brain damag infant can easili detect birth and simpli avoid comsumpt phenylalanin child pregnant heather
sci.med	food relat seizur articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write rememb hear year back therapi for hyperact involv aggress elimin artifici color and flavor diet theori back interest anecdot result that peopl sensit chemic peopl don rememb connect made seizur couldn hurt natur diet yeah feingold diet load crap children diagnos add thi diet show improv intellectu and social skill fact continu declin parent enthusiast thi approach lap expens children develop for interest anecdot result peopl will want steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit you character thi flight fanci fantasi unfamiliar scientif context appear obviou that specul for lack neutral word signific part consequ knowledg and accept current theori coupl observ that quit ration attempt fit observ into that theori tailor theori cover observ whether scientif idea come stare window dream fantasi watch appl fall newton sit bath archimed ultim result lot intens scientif think let mind roam freeli and give rein intuit can come idea lot ration analysi problem scientif intuit not born that learn don understand complet learn train systemat scientif think kei element develop inform explor import element find scientif idea think for instanc darwin naturalist studi galapago island led idea for theori evolut thi offend definit scienc that emphas empir verif and not recogn think and inform explor import scientif work agre that mere specul not deserv call scienc that mere empir studi not direct good scientif think poor kind scienc articl linnl utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write that lee ladi and talk cross purpos ladi concern contrast great scienc that make big advanc knowledg and mediocr scienc that make smaller step thi thread concern differ scienc and not don that scienc defin that activ that lead import scienc think and inform explor not recogn scientif work argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
sci.med	bursiti and laser treatment famili doctor and physiotherapist agre that pain left shoulder bursiti appoint orthpod love that short for orthoped surgeon appar wait treat hot pack ultrasound and laser improv fact almost suspect get wors real question laser treatment can easili imagin physic effect that deep tissu problem can shed light speak matter robert allison ottawa ontario canada
sci.med	msg sensit superstit dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl qnn agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event you forgot smilei face can thi turn berkelei you aberr steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer hei your flame thi group that for you dyer nasti sarcast peopl thi subject shoot rile and can discuss msg civil blast school idea simpl insult demonstr not and line you want continu your insult war and stop wast time sincer dan checkman
sci.med	frequent noseble and noseble each week result genet predisposit weak capillari wall osler weber rendu fortun each noseble short durat method reduc thi frequenc younger brother each skin transplant thigh nose line noseble return refer herb call rutin that suppos and hear experi techniqu robert allison ottawa ontario canada
sci.med	updat thi lyme articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write articl apr lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu carl brenner write ulterior motiv easi for physician call lyme and treat lot monei involv you bring thi don understand financi for physician ahead and treat physician invest involv kickback scheme home infus compani financi gain for doctor put thi base experi gener practition train infecti diseas establish link lyme commun treat patient come wonder lyme decid lyme that diseas such spirochet not lyme give talk meet user group valid feel even delusion patient etc thi can run mill lot patient hospit and get expens infus that monitor offic and make lot bread get adul hope not cure control and name public put support group etc thi definit temptat harumph get publish newslett aspir can argu your logic you extrapol bit recklessli appear sampl size even you thi local pittsburgh gui true not logic fair conclud that thi true doctor treat lyme diseas your logic conclud that physician consult for insur compani and make monei deni benefit lyme patient for monei encourag good medicin idea sincer gui motiv suspect physician you excori for you indiscrimin treatment feel comfort discuss medic issu lyme specul motiv parti involv gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend carl brenner
sci.med	transplant recipi newslett april dintern newslett april thi will monthli post newslett long island chapter transplant recipi intern organ trio unabl post date thi month meet post and post world wide region hope that inform illustr hope can us exampl and inspir for post newslett and data relat organ transplant and donat mike transplant recipi intern organ long island chapter box huntington newslett april volum meet meet wednesdai april knight columbu emerald manor uniondal avenu uniondal guest speaker will lewi teperman teperman train pittsburgh starzl and assist director liver transplant program york univers medic center teperman will discuss current trend transplant and treatment and will answer question long time friend trio surgeon member and graciou and delight guest inform interest and engag even hospit committe bett and vito suglia and jim spenc will prepar and last weather cooper hope larg gather teperman wednesdai april uniondal last meet note that long island chapter trio extraordinari power predict bad weather forecast rain sleet and snow fulli month advanc weatherman can match thi time not score disabl long island railroad make travel difficult brave snow and had interest meet and good convers schedul speaker mr elizabeth linnehan profession nutritionist had famili emerg and not attend hope will fall discuss diet and medic jennif friedman imag consult and sister liver transplant recipi kind step short notic friedman gave lot good advic choos cloth and makeup even bit for men and healthi and minim cosmet effect medicin and drug grate jennif and for entertain even annual meet addit welcom teperman april meet annual meet chapter thi offici notic meet requir law main purpos meet review past year solicit member view and idea for wai meet and elect member board director for come two year term nomin committe prepar slate for board ann liver recipi and don treffeisen robert heart recipi and eulen smith vito kidnei recipi and bett suglia kai grenzig liver recipi jan schichtel kidnei recipi larri juliano kidnei recipi david bekofski director public educ litp remain board for anoth year robert carrol liver kidnei pancrea recipi jerri kidnei recipi and jeann eichhorn ron kidnei donor and mari heali peter smith bone marrow recipi patricia ann yanku kidnei and pancrea recipi walter ruzak kidnei recipi thi big board hand make light work and medic uncertainti good backup for job board addit slate present for vote nomin will accept floor set number board member and plenti work addit treasur and membership report will and floor will open for busi suggest comment bring will formal meet short that can spend major time teperman futur meet rememb schedul guest for rest year peter shaprio chief psychiatri columbia presbyterian medic center june felix rappaport director stoni brook kidnei transplant program plan second wednesdai each month notdaw week april nation organ and tissu donor awar week notdaw plan new releas speak engag and meet supervisor gullata and gaffnei decid not softbal game two year experi miser weather can spread word donor awar found effect your pastor rabbi publish letter announc parish bulletin you address congreg includ mention gift life sermon attach thi newslett sampl letter and fact sheet you can us you starzl honor long island chapter american liver foundat will hold annual auction and dinner danc fountainbleu jericho turnpik jericho thoma starzl will honor guest ticket person and fast you meet starzl call ann treffeisen for detail membership new congratul rees receiv heart transplant pittsburgh wait year home and dai hospit arthur michael liver recipi plan run boston marathon april fantast proof that transplant work hope nation press notic bob mccormack persist bout infect had transplant kidnei remov home back dialysi and feel nicol heali kidnei recipi and daughter ron and mari spent past week hospit miami problem encount vacat mari florida back york nicol treatment will continu nicol speedi recoveri kai grenzig liver recipi mend bad fall that result broken arm and broken leg kai candid for board and wish come flu tough winter for tulip snow you wednesdai april uniondal lewi teperman
sci.med	problem nutrasweet aspartam articl apr uvm edu hbloom moos uvm edu heather write nutrasweet synthet sweeten coupl thousand time sweeter sugar peopl concern chemic that bodi produc degrad nutrasweet thought form formaldehyd and for methanol degred pathwai that bodi elimin substanc real issu whether level methanol and formaldehyd produc high signific damag toxic live cell can that will not consum aspartam methyl ester dipeptid product hydrolysi methanol can oxid formaldehyd amount methanol form ingest aspartam contain food complet metabol nois sinc you form equal minut amount methanol compon food time studi involv administr high dose addit blood methanol level undetect methanol poison quantiti human poison and thi consequ oxid formaldehyd and formic acid two quit reactiv compound high level can damag tissu retina and kidnei such high dose bodi detoxif system overwhelm interestingli treatment for earli methanol poison person drunk ethyl alcohol vodka equival that ethanol metabol preferenti methanol enzym liver methanol stai methanol and isn metabol formaldehyd rel toxic steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write peopl respond anecdot stori safe origin poster familiar such stori hard info substanti refut claim msg make peopl ill hard info provid msg make peopl ill that point youself can read scientif paper and appar come bizarr crack idea noth us thi substanc human nutrit you read olnei work fail cite result peer review studi qualifi bizarr crack that peer review studi not address effect msg peopl anim model you can walk thi and start rant gloom and doom document deleteri health effect demonstr human note that wouldn argument statement note that anim administr pro duce blah blah care us human thi precis not you test rhesu monkei never studi mode administr intra ventricular glu and asp administ oral studi us and intra ventricular not normal admin method for food tox studi for obviou reason you not read peer review work that refer you never come thi brain inject bunk for neurotoxicolog you studi glutam involv food scienc pardon you get thi you read journal you thorough literatur search point studi human familiar literatur and never relat olnei work anim and effect glutam neuron point exceed window amino acid note that peopl pku cannot toler phenylalanin toler phenylalanin essenti amino acid healthi produc danger level phenylalanin and metabolit blood olnei research compar infant human diet specif amount freeli glu mother milk versu commerci babi food typic lunch item standard american diet such packag soup mix found that exce project safeti margin for infant human fold singl meal process food mother milk below effect dose good not that good feed infant lot glutam supplement food that thi project safeti margin construct deriv anim model and that you can prove you talk prudent polici infant nutrit you misrepres receiv wisdom read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput impecc disput interest you provid peer review food industri fund citat articl disput that msg effect whatsoev you mean assert you intellectu dishonest plain confus you conflat report not necessarili each olnei report argu potenti for problem human infant that not that thi whatsoev us msg food provid studi human deleteri effect for obviou reason noth msg contribt phenomenon chines restaur syndrom noth frequent inabl replic anecdot report msg sensit lab dyer ursa major spdcc hmm not surpris diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton dumber remark you made steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	frequent noseble articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton robert allison write method reduc thi frequenc younger brother each skin transplant thigh nose line noseble return refer herb call rutin that suppos and hear experi techniqu rutin bioflavonoid compound found place rind citru fruit popular europ treat capillari fragil and seemingli even extrem case month ago friend visit itali and that had hemorrhoid pharmacist friend sold pill incredul ask and contain rutin activ ingredi destroi placebo effect skeptic sputter idea hemorrhoid wise dai studi attempt effect compound human diseas and nutrit never control report posit result anecdot thi stuff pretti toxic and inexpens risk wouldn expect result steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	msg sensit superstit such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit superstit experi contrari person sensit msg and wife and kid want food industri put msg food industri give reason industri byproduct that get rid cover fact that recip not good food poor qualiti you sadist pleasur make sick tast tester defect flavor sensor mouth etc that msg correct don understand nitrosiamin and sulfit safer wai preserv food wine and beer outlaw us substanc warn label larg cig packag requir compar product market free substanc and state that free msg dye nitrosiamin and sulfit packag outlaw yellow dye for that matter dye food dye and flavor vitamin osco stress tab didn yellow dye doctor yellow dye respons for nasal polyp food food quit put junk two cent worth sig person tire get sick thi junk walter lundbi walter lundbi
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl lsu innia saltillo utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write agre that lee ladi wrote previou post thi thread gee misjudg you russel agre can bad not whether misjudg you not respect major problem your insist that scienc avoid mistak and disagre your content that doesn us method deem scientif can possibl true and not delet materi agre back lee ladi not rule post sci med and sci psycholog poster not support carefulli design control studi not scienc poster make mistak that previous critic adher methodolog recip carefulli rule such support hypothesi carefulli design and control studi narrow appli investig that requir for reason convinc depend greatli kind mistak that occur past reason kind thing reus previou exampl that conclus uncontrol observ treatment chronic medic problem notori problemat agre thi degre certainti for instanc demand carefulli control trial accept absolut scientif truth extent that such thing effect treatment hand highli favor clinic experi even uncontrol can adequ justifi preliminari judgement that treatment thi evid can hope for investig not institut corpor support thi case make sens tent treat claim credibl reserv final judgement establish scientist qualifi and resourc can care test secondli make sens toler standard evid for pronounc effect for that margin come thi disput scienc not mathematician veteran argument sci psycholog and occasion sci med nlp neurolinguist program work date nlper can categor inform explor care scientif research for year scientif and clinic psychologist read book and watch videotap courtesi your local univers librari not for purpos make definit judgement simpli nlp methodolog approach elicit inform subject and for idea and hypothes scientif interest and awar question nlp suggest worthi scientif investig and respons sci pycholog thi hasn valid accept form empir research can interest ultim reducio absurdum extrem control studi posit nlp techniqu call fast phobia trauma cure simpl phobia oppos agoraphobia not world import psycholog disord nice thing that doesn sophist instrument diagnos cure nlp phobia cure simpl visual requir minut nlper claim that can us neutral traumat memori and treat post traumat stress syndrom essenti variat classic desensit process us behavior therapist subject techniqu onc case ptsd onc for each traumat incid process doesn repeat and subject doesn practic home pretti easi test effect thi cure nlper claim success rate extrem high fear height us balconi floor and observ respons spend minut simpl visual send back balconi and thing chang check back week cure last long term follow desir scientif point view even cure that last week signific case case cure last year knowledg case cure revers hold for week cure incident slightli nlp techniqu learn fast phobia trauma cure ten year enjoi live floor build and larg balconi folk sci psycholog hundr and excus not make thi simpl test claim that elabor outcom studi will satisfactori studi sort that nlp practition make bare margin live practic can ill afford plain not interest idea frivol and sinc not part scientif establish tangibl reward gain scientif accept fast phobia trauma cure ten year and clinic psycholog establish don know that effect academ resourc studi elabor want prove your theori and burden proof make claim academ sci psycholog that complet unscientif for test phobia cure sinc hasn describ scientif journal describ number book and post articl sci psycholog describ detail capabl fairli care academ studi favor result appar not accept doctor dissert and not publish refere journal thi sort attitud not advanc scienc hinder thi kind thing mind talk doctrinnair attitud scienc unfair imput such attitud you russel apolog argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
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sci.med	barbecu food and health risk rsilver world std richard silver write recent post remind that had read risk associ barbecu food that carcinogen gener thi valid concern function smoke elev temperatur function cook element wood charcoal lava rock recal that issu that fat meat liquifi and drip hot element that extrem heat catalyz fat into carcinogen carri back meat smoke professor
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk thi remind last graham kerr cook show todai smoke meat stovetop big pot us strang techniqu never big pot lid and trai made aluminum foil trai size and shape typic coffe tabl ash trai made crumpl sheet foil edg trai coupl spoon brown sugar similar quantiti brown rice rice will content two teabag earl grei tea and clove top thi ordinari aluminum basket type steamer two chicken breast lid put and assembl stovetop high heat for minut remov look smoke chicken breast surpris and concern wood chip smoke flavor come year ago rememb hear that carmel color obtain caramel sugar common color and flavor agent had found carcinogen inject skin rat result conclus caramel color not legal us initi research result found incorrect year ago rememb earl grei tea implic carcinogen contain oil bergamot extract skin type citru fruit happen that stori carcinogen earl grei tea not addit appar continu wrt natur wood smoke smoke duck happen notic that heavili smoke food item will unpleas tangi tast eaten directli smoker smoke recent stop flow find tast had dry wood chip get lot smoke begin cook process slowli barbequ for hour and hour ad addit wood chip theori that unpleas tangi molecul low molecular weight stuff terpen and that smoki flavor molecul sort larger molecul similar tar long barbequ time initi intens smoke drive low molecular weight stuff leav flavor theori correct rememb hear that combust product fat drip charcoal and burn carcinogen for that reason and cover product soot and unpleas tangi grill drippi meat prawn directli hot coal stuff thi duck indirect heat long rectangular weber and put coal end and meat end fat drop directli floor below meat and time us barbequ make fire that end burn fat and ignit coal and anoth reason heard not smoke barbequ meat that smoke cure meat pork sausag and bacon contain nitrosamin carcinogen pretti thi claim stand don amus incid recal duncan hine scandal discov that peopl make duncan hine cake mix put lot ethylen dibromid edb into cake mix suppress weevil thi fumig carcinogen gui repres compani press confer defend that risk eat duncan hine product dai for year equal cancer risk eat two charcoal broil steak great analog heard that reaction make that standard unit charcoal broil steak equival duncan
sci.med	brain abscess definit need articl apr tardi mdcorp ksc nasa gov fresa tardi mdcorp ksc nasa gov write defin brain abscess for rel cerebellum brain abscess infect deep brain substanc hard cure antibiot sinc get wall and surgic drainag gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	hypoglycemia anello adc fnal gov anthoni anello can bloodcount diagnos hypoglycem danger pancreat problem not specialti neglig and that anoth blood blood glucos level common hour big meal thi level will not symptom test good diet work for hypo glycem you mean reactiv hypoglycemia symptom diseas dietari recommend for patient complain dizzi faint sweat palpit etc reliabl hour big meal recommend obviou eat smaller meal slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem libman hsc usc edu marlena libman advic situat occur and physican upset question continu thi doctor manag care that easi you wouldn your comput into repair shop rude you even compet busi you your bodi into repair shop repairman such bad attitud slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
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sci.med	differ and wife and process select pediatrician for child due june interview young doctor last week and impress discov that not medic doctor doctor osteopathi differ pediatrician for year and didn doctor year dictionari that osteopathi medic therapi that emphas manipul techniqu for correct somat abnorm thought diseas and inhibit recoveri jeez thi sound chiropract rememb get shot and medicin pediatrician and don rememb manipul techniqu perhap enlighten real practic differ and interest hear opinion choos pediatrician follow medic philosophi reader sci med respond directli sbrenner attmail not read thi group regularli and won your respons you post for cross post hope expertis scott brenner consum commun servic sbrenner attmail bask ridg jersei
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write thi remind last graham kerr cook show todai smoke meat stovetop big pot us strang techniqu never big pot lid and trai made aluminum foil trai size and shape typic coffe tabl ash trai made crumpl sheet foil edg trai coupl spoon brown sugar similar quantiti brown rice rice will content two teabag earl grei tea and clove top thi ordinari aluminum basket type steamer two chicken breast lid put and assembl stovetop high heat for minut remov look smoke chicken breast surpris and concern wood chip smoke flavor come year ago rememb hear that carmel color obtain caramel sugar common color and flavor agent had found carcinogen inject skin rat result conclus caramel color not legal us initi research result found incorrect year ago rememb earl grei tea implic carcinogen contain oil bergamot extract skin type citru fruit happen that stori carcinogen earl grei tea not addit appar continu wrt natur wood smoke smoke duck happen notic that heavili smoke food item will unpleas tangi tast eaten directli smoker smoke recent stop flow find tast had dry wood chip get lot smoke begin cook process slowli barbequ for hour and hour ad addit wood chip theori that unpleas tangi molecul low molecular weight stuff terpen and that smoki flavor molecul sort larger molecul similar tar long barbequ time initi intens smoke drive low molecular weight stuff leav flavor theori correct rememb hear that combust product fat drip charcoal and burn carcinogen for that reason and cover product soot and unpleas tangi grill drippi meat prawn directli hot coal stuff thi duck indirect heat long rectangular weber and put coal end and meat end fat drop directli floor below meat and time us barbequ make fire that end burn fat and ignit coal and anoth reason heard not smoke barbequ meat that smoke cure meat pork sausag and bacon contain nitrosamin carcinogen pretti thi claim stand don amus incid recal duncan hine scandal discov that peopl make duncan hine cake mix put lot ethylen dibromid edb into cake mix suppress weevil thi fumig carcinogen gui repres compani press confer defend that risk eat duncan hine product dai for year equal cancer risk eat two charcoal broil steak great analog heard that reaction make that standard unit charcoal broil steak equival duncan don understand assumpt that found carcinogen that not legal that natur occur substanc exclud control substanc pretti unregul term us food food addit consumpt chemist concoct ingredi that fall fda regul look close find reason ban almost world you suppos legal consum tobacco product ban dave allen space scienc engr ctr madison
sci.med	placebo effect articl calcom socal daniel princ calcom socal daniel princ write effect doctor believ strongli medicin that see improv see improv thi effect call revers effect doctor doesn medicin and see improv thi effect call effect studi common effect you advanc for repli effect real concern conduct studi treatment research limit thi kind effect perform studi that blind wai subject studi not whether receiv placebo test treatment whether control group test group administ treatment not subject receiv placebo test treatment evalu individu result not subject receiv placebo test treatment point data analyz differenti test group control group analysi quasi public research describ and present data base that can verifi worth note that biolog studi subject anim such mice case skew result perform studi not blind not consid import make mice ignor import that respect test control and test group treat alik russel
sci.med	ey domin articl world std rsilver world std richard silver write ey domin eyed handed popul mean peopl requir len correct for ey kind percentag can attach thi ey domin handed and for side noth refract error gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	surgeri damag tendon and median nerv articl bhatt apr weslei src honeywel bhatt src honeywel write thought will explor net wisdom question control pain surgeon suggest long will such pain last will pain recur futur can answer that get reflex sympathet dystrophi last forev hope not don damag partial cut tendon heal complet and finger strength regain long for complet heal process sometim and sometim don you job you can reattach and hope you month gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	food relat seizur articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write newsgroup sci med path new larc nasa gov saimiri primat wisc edu zaphod mp ohio state edu uwm edu utexa edu uunet hsdndev spdcc dyer dyer spdcc steve dyer organ dyer comput consult cambridg refer uupcb factori cup portal date sat apr gmt line articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write rememb hear year back therapi for hyperact involv aggress elimin artifici color and flavor diet theori back interest anecdot result that peopl sensit chemic peopl don rememb connect made seizur couldn hurt natur diet yeah feingold diet load crap children diagnos add thi diet show improv intellectu and social skill fact continu declin parent enthusiast thi approach lap expens children develop for interest anecdot result peopl will want steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer for interest thi problem mine don reaction sugar junk food per sinc kathryn never shown sign hyperact behavior respons food calm and dare neat smart kid fact that thi happen eat two sugar coat cereal made kellog make allerg reaction coat cereal famili kathryn show sign hai fever run nose itchi ey etc lot allergi famili histori includ weird food allergi nut mushroom trip endocrinologist check bodi chemistri sugar coat cereal and seizur dai that make heav sigh relief sharon paulson paulson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home
sci.med	organ donat and transplant fact sheet articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb ec comm mot write wife cannot donat blood malari region past year fact bone marrow type and wouldn even that fda rule blood blood product donat malari area for year platelet donor thailand trip and blood bank disappoint find couldn us for year secretari state ask want donat organ figur that want histori correct not necessarili rule not appli organ donat blood donat fact don gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	mississippi river water and catfish safe articl apr zeu calpoli edu dfield flute calpoli edu infospunj dan field write invit spend coupl week thi summer raft mississippi journei partner want live river water and catfish rout concern pollut health risk thi you purifi river water not practic that mississippi you check health agenc toxic chemic river microorgan can filter kill you activ charcoal mean purifi chemic drink river process like make you sick bacteria and parasit gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	gyn resid articl apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write illeg for resid discrimin fmg that true that won even interview fmg program discrimin that fmg equal qualifi american will american right matter citizen not had good luck fmg and bad luck resid fmg worst turn worst fmg citizen that studi shore medic school resid fire for incompet year depart fmg citizen studi guadalajara citizen train soviet union and philipina practic medicin neurolog pick program psychiatri and emerg medicin gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	liver spot brown spot older peopl hand call liver spot sort liver color actual liver dysfunct die welt ist all zerfal ist peter cash apolog ludwig wittgenstein cash convex
sci.med	andromeda strain articl pvp chinet chi dhartung chinet chi dan hartung write had opportun watch thi flick year sinc last wow wwii channel not wwii interest technolog demonstr thi film for handl infecti diseas and similar toxic substanc fake lot comput robot technolog time made that scienc fiction alon idea space germ graphic capabl comput fake for movi audienc not abil patienc number book realist that respect respect robot rang not imposs quit coincident thi want movi watch segment aw that deal diseas research cdc top lab descript elabor secur measur that build will never crack speak man natur short deliber bomb air perhap and research us spacesuit similar that film and wonder crichton escap thi classif ahead scienc predict and precaut nasa decontaimin process supposedli prevent stori disast mean nasa scientist reader and sometim writer and felt pre warn read curiou peopl thi film short silli such facil technic feasibl todai film hold film that isn lot plot and crystallin structur that not life that nother argument for rec art tech yep
sci.med	eumem eugen year will disassembl and assembl bodi molecular level not will flawless cosmet surgeri flawless cosmet psychosurgeri will store price shelf price bar code good your head and catch error make store favor safewai will mental edit and spell check your respons question pose phone caller sell vacat time share option you absolut daft flame requir you lack brain sic meme basic unit cultur oppos gene unit genet you educ give credit credit due richard dawkin meme meme invent zone
sci.med	hernia bit year ago hernia groin discov had produc dull pain that area hernia repair intrus orthoscop method and plug and patch doctor consid procedur success month pain return doctor that find noth wrong area hernia repair pain occur couldn identifi specif problem surgen perform origin procedur that hernia area and that cut into area for repair thi time question net nonintrus method determin fact hernia pain steve heffner
sci.med	candida albican recent diagnos candida albican diseas can find inform appar bodi product yeast time highli allerg yeast can david partain davpa ida liu ida univers link op work phone link op sweden telefax
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sci.med	barbecu food and health risk articl apr clpd kodak rich young young serum kodak write stuff delet consum unrealist larg quantiti barbecu meat time confess that thi unfulfil ambit matter eat realist don macki opinion
sci.med	qualiti control medicin articl blue ci pitt edu kenneth gilbert kxgst pitt edu write situat activ routin part hospit administr function and requir accredit agenc even entir public devot issu spend time deal qualiti stuff hot number two journal worth qualiti review bulletin pub joint commiss accredit healthcar organ renaiss boulevard oakbrook terrac qualiti health care bmj publish group box kennebunkport don macki opinion anesthesiolog will disavow
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit that part problem that propos definit scienc that intend interpret broadli and that lee ladi interpret fairli narrowli definit thi scienc investig empir that avoid mistak reason and methodolog discov previou work lee ladi write don that scienc defin that activ that lead import scienc think and inform explor not recogn scientif work classifi think and inform explor mistak fall definit hope specul think and inform explor unscientif articl nasf new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write not whether misjudg you not respect major problem your insist that scienc avoid mistak talk cross purpos not clear that kind definit propos describ scienc for exampl definit invertebr anim lack backbon thi fairli tell invertebr and not invertebr tell you invertebr can read thi definit and not that anim speci invertebr that invertebr possess remark broad rang form that invertebr group such insect and nematod ubiquit ecosystem etc short know definit invertebr not misunderstand fault not give suffici context for peopl understand propos definit agre thi degre certainti for instanc demand carefulli control trial accept absolut scientif truth extent that such thing effect treatment hand highli favor clinic experi even uncontrol can adequ justifi preliminari judgement that treatment secondli make sens toler standard evid for pronounc effect for that margin agre count exampl second case cure rabi convinc veterinarian that treatment effect despit lack control not talk absolut scientif truth talk kind evid that claim and kind evid field that past proven faulti reliabl matter degre and each field practition discov relev kind evid primari mistak that mark advocaci idea psuedo scienc that advocaci lack sens proport kind evid relat propos claim kind evid that relev and histor reason field that kind evid weight perfectli alright specul read quit refere paper that specul left and author care identifi notion specul list evid present for and describ research proce put notion firm foot uncov problem distinguish whether paper thi sort pass muster thought author set context and pave for futur work thi area that propon specul idea fail folk sci psycholog hundr and excus not make thi simpl test claim that elabor outcom studi will satisfactori studi sort that nlp practition make bare margin live practic can ill afford plain not interest idea frivol and sinc not part scientif establish tangibl reward gain scientif accept lot scientist steer thing that deserv not garner patina kooki propon practic care investig that practic that set alarm ring research mind thi unfortun undoubtedli intersect thing that worth investig and thing that advoc careless unreason advocaci hand can understand scientist select direct for research gordon bank point becom thi gener rhine academ sci psycholog that complet unscientif for test phobia cure sinc hasn describ scientif journal thi absurd fairli care academ studi favor result appar not accept doctor dissert and not publish refere journal result not publish field dissert result typic summar paper that submit journal paper accept for public dissert finish thi eas defens final hope lee ladi will forgiv comment nlp discuss sci psycholog and noth offer russel
sci.med	mri articl apr kestrel edu king reason dick king write recal read youth scienc popular book that whyle isotop don affect chemistri consumpt heavi water fatal and that seed water heavi water not sprout thi heard thi thought make good eposid columbo for poison heavi water wouldn show chemic test
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write hard info provid msg make peopl ill that point don you merk check medic dictionari cite doctor mention earlier thi thread that peer review studi not address effect msg peopl anim model you can walk thi and start rant gloom and doom document deleteri health effect demonstr human note that wouldn argument statement note that anim administr pro duce blah blah care us human thi precis not you olnei excitotox food adit relev anim studi human safeti neurobehav toxicol teratol vol peta love hear your argument test rhesu monkei never studi mode administr intra ventricular glu and asp administ oral studi us and intra ventricular not normal admin method for food tox studi for obviou reason you not read peer review work that refer you never come thi brain inject bunk for neurotoxicolog you studi glutam involv food scienc talk food scienc thi comment suppos mean neurotoxicolog and tratolog brain research natur progress brain research fine food scienc journal pardon you get thi you read journal you thorough literatur search point studi human familiar literatur and never relat olnei work anim and effect glutam neuron you that olnei casual refer chines restaur syndrom articl don you point studi thi exchang product point exceed window amino acid note that peopl pku cannot toler phenylalanin toler phenylalanin essenti amino acid healthi produc danger level phenylalanin and metabolit blood unabl metabolis olnei research compar infant human diet specif amount freeli glu mother milk versu commerci babi food typic lunch item standard american diet such packag soup mix found that exce project safeti margin for infant human fold singl meal process food mother milk below effect dose good not that good feed infant lot glutam supplement food that thi project safeti margin construct deriv anim model and that you can prove you talk prudent polici infant nutrit you misrepres receiv wisdom receiv wisdom question that oral administ dose msg capabl destroi neuron arcuat nucleu hypothalamu and median emin area respons for product hormon critic normal neuroendocrin function and normal develop vertabr organ human vertebr prai you will happen area brain for normal rhythm gonadotropin releas miss you that human pituitari anh and that part brain that respons for control realeas albeit indirectli estradiol and testosteron you expect studi thi uneth sacrific human check effect chronic acut etc dose compound brain tissu human food industri thi that anim model us medicin and psych you talk straight sensit defin term plenti studi psychoneuroimmunolog show link attitud and physiolog suspect argu separ thing adult sensit you and late occur sequela childhood ingest and implic for adult dose for excitotox adult consider larger for young addit glu and asp and copiou and increas presenc modern process food jointli and hidden presenc hvp necessit extrem caution want eat compound shown markedli perturb endocrin system adult main point blood level attain and oral dose like greater interest you provid peer review food industri fund citat articl disput that msg effect whatsoev you mean assert you intellectu dishonest plain confus you conflat report not necessarili each olnei report argu potenti for problem human infant that not that thi whatsoev us msg food provid studi human deleteri effect for obviou reason noth msg contribt phenomenon chines restaur syndrom noth frequent inabl replic anecdot report msg sensit lab olnei work put causal mechan for sensit terri epelbaum and martin shown that oral administ msg normal gonadotrop hormon fluctut adult glu found induc and persist supress rhythmic secret and induc rapid and transient releas prolactin adult chronic expos msg respons not for control growth develop convert glycogen into glucos thi headach don dyer ursa major spdcc hmm not surpris diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton dumber remark you made you had read olnei review articl remark quot earlier post you allud exactli for you comput consult
sci.med	frequent noseble articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton robert allison write and noseble each week result genet predisposit weak capillari wall osler weber rendu fortun each noseble short durat method reduc thi frequenc younger brother each skin transplant thigh nose line noseble return refer herb call rutin that suppos and hear experi techniqu year son plagu lot vaselin nose each night control bop and recur for dai allergi cold dry air contribut vaselin ointment neosporin recur bev zalan
sci.med	select placebo king reason dick king write ron roth rose ron roth wrote otoh kid england medic journal ran head nineti percent diseas not treatabl drug surgeri echo report md not amus altern medicin sinc magic placebo effect award altern practition twice success rate convent medicin diseas not thing patient world curabl diseas that strike peopl and incur diseas strike person each medic scienc will cure patient and report that diseas therapi diseas count untreat noth placebo md ethic bound not knowingli dispens placebo hmmm even end didn mathemat statist post hope that you had thing mind your post you two end understand your calcul ron roseread thi mind intention left blank rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk grad school rememb biochemistri friend mine work heat shock protein appar burn protein will induc dna whether surviv denatur that occur digest don never eat burnt food thi wood toxin burnt logic that volatilis and into bbqed food don toxin antifung and anti woodeat compound surviv harsh condit stomach and intestin and cross intestin mucosa biochem background almost can shed light heat shock protein and toxin that wood us make charcoal and bbq ann mari rousseau mail rousseaua immunex noth immunex
sci.med	krillean photographi that correct spell for inform suppli that will yourself krillean pictur think that educ supplier for school appartu for sale don compani info greatli appreci case you don krillean photographi knowledg involv take pictur time organ object charg plate pictur will show energi pattern spike object photograph and depend type object spike energi pattern will vari extrapol and that thi prove that object univers energi signatur can confirm deni opinion express thi articl directli reflect person polit view and not liberti yield such explan alleg opinion
sci.med	food relat seizur comment feingold diet relev your daughter purport frostedflak relat seizur can imagin you includ steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	ey domin articl world std rsilver world std richard silver write ey domin eyed handed popul mean peopl requir len correct for ey kind percentag can attach thi long sight ey and short sight ey ey cut distant thing left ey close had spec balanc thing bit thought that anoth middl ag rear ugli head and can longer close object that arm get shorter flog will continu moral improv pchurch swell actrix gen pat churchil wellington zealand
sci.med	adult chicken pox articl bdo feenix metronet marcbg feenix metronet marc grant write bod point longer infecti physician offic scab thi true medic can promot heal pox speed heal acyclovir start dai speed recoveri and decreas format pox david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit heard that epilept patient into seizur eat msg ad thi excitotox neuron
sci.med	ey domin nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write repli rsilver world std richard silver ey domin eyed handed popul mean peopl requir len correct for ey kind percentag can attach thi eyed analog handed noth refract error whether you left ei roll sheet paper into tube and hold ey telescop ey that you feel comfort put your domin ey refract error two ey correl handed david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel you mean comfort put that bit hard evalu for stare straight point hand togeth and clasp that pointer finger point straight forward spot wall feet stare spot ey open close your left ey open your left ey close your ey open your ey imag jump you close your ey you ey domin imag jump you close your left ey you left ey domin deantha
sci.med	msg sensit superstit food industri even bother address previou question you put msg almost food assum that wife answer closer truth hope believ that msg ad food peopl eat and not quit shoud sate put believ that for peopl msg act food addict eat chip chow packag noodl soup you idea moral and ethic standard food chemic and regulatori group address can msg consid condit substanc not addict sort habit form thi bring side question mine notic that cat children and parent fixat brand pet food cat will eat product brand and not brand wonder thi not case prefer sort chemic train addict question for net fda regul content pet food allow for pet food addict condit substanc msg put pet food speak for and not motorola walter lundbi
sci.med	krillean photographi articl apr unlv edu todamhyp charl unlv edu brian huei write that correct spell proper spell kirlian effect discoverd kirlian soviet film develop recal corona visibl ascrib static discharg and chemic reaction organ materi and silver halid film tarl neustaedt stratu comput tarl stratu marlboro mass disclaim employ not respons for opinion
sci.med	intraven antibiot recent had case shingl and doctor want give intraven acyclovir pain find site arm can fact advantag give intraven antibiot oral marti
sci.med	msg sensit superstit betti harvei write not research medic person amaz that can find scientif fact automat assum that reaction psycholog mind boggl thi simpli state result bankrupt ethic healthcar and scientif medicin industri america fed massiv wast and fraud that cost gnp support industri deliv margin health care commun clinton plan form take will cost even greater sum bleah steve
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr sco evanh sco evan hunt write articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe sharen iscnvx lmsc lockhe sharen rund write restaur advert msg restaur that featur salad bar us msg veggi fresh longer number thi bring import question for pre made salad kind sold supermarket msg ad mention legal mean law thi area steve dyer point that sharen think sulfit question stand evan hunt asst editor web for inform web mail evanh sco
sci.med	krillean photographi recal that articl radio electron thi subject fact copi articl front can find anywher articl refrenc month system describ automobil ignit coil for high voltag articl even includ inform kind film us and hope thi help joseph krzeszewski ski wpi wpi edu
sci.med	crash program basic immunolog research articl pgh ken mitchum write physician almost never sick horrend don mild case sick unusu thi not situat medic school pediatr pediatr for solid month ill and had temp final exam happen that train and constantli expos thing and usual reaction that challeng like exposur for deal and mild ill thi commonli teacher year sick lot gradual build immun almost common come healthiest work pathogen lab expos time pre osha kai klier biologi dept uni
sci.med	intraven antibiot articl apr spectrum xerox leisner eso xerox write recent had case shingl and doctor want give intraven acyclovir pain find site arm can fact advantag give intraven antibiot oral essenti inform miss you suffer condit caus immunosuppress indic for acyclovir for shingl healthi person oral form can reduc length symptom and even prevent develop post herpet neuralgia not subject therapi good reason address your gener question therapi provid higher and consist high plasma and tissu level drug for treat infect thi that patient get adequ drug level kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk don understand assumpt that found carcinogen that not legal that natur occur substanc exclud control substanc pretti unregul term us food food addit consumpt chemist concoct ingredi that fall fda regul look close find reason ban almost world you suppos legal consum tobacco product ban call delani amend make carcinogen food addit illeg amount thi pass congress stuff mass spectrometri increas detect level substanc coupl order magnitud thi thing cyclam and red ban weakli carcinogen huge quantiti rat act ban thi appli natur carcinogen you rememb time back root beer suddenli stop tast good and never tast good that time safrol ban thi activ flavor ingredi sassafra leav market root beer good dai order make monei fact that that enforc effect odd except rule product gumbo file thi noth coars ground dri sassafra leav thi not natur product natur product natur form that evad delani special exempt made appeas power louisiana democrat
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr rtsg mot lundbi rtsg mot walter lundbi write food industri even bother address previou question you put msg almost food assum that wife answer closer truth hope don mean disrespect your concern that you get wound issu knowledg peopl point msg natur occur substanc lot not food food manufactur add prepar flavor enhanc your wife theori that msg ad food stimul appetit true don reason ad peopl larg for part charg appetit children and parent fixat brand pet food cat will eat product brand and not brand wonder thi not case prefer sort chemic train addict question for net fda regul content pet food allow for pet food addict condit substanc msg put pet food you don cat you cat will advantag you resign you will never understand cat tast whimsic suspect sinc check ingredi commerci cat food that stringent requir pet food addit human fda thi stupid idea that human be intellig interest barbara wonder cat care
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr walter bellcor jchen ctt bellcor write funni thing personali stori reaction msg vari greatli that heart beat speed flush face claim heart skip beat onc symptom relat tachycardia get flush face due heart pump blood faster regular puls suspect thi relat increas sodium level blood sinc note sodium chlorid monosodium glutam sodium compound bodi requir sodium can good thing react headach thi relat increas blood flow increas heart rate sodium msg distend crainial arteri essenti headach discrep necessarili stomach ach stomach ach and vomit tend relat not necessarili discrep like relat reaction vomit occur respons rid noxiou compound organ eaten person can digest stuff list stuff peopl allerg quit long and lack enzym break gastrointestin distress stomach belli ach expect had wateri ey run nose respiratori reaction and consid similar vomit for bodi dispos noxiou compound adaptiov respons food environment compound respons for symptom import rememb that lot opf effet can addit synergyst subtract etc etc exactli dish and person expos respiratori sound suspici resopir and heart rate connect thing bodi simpl inetract place vertebr bodi had itchi skin rash peopl respond myriad wai compound depend compound that piss bodi pollen for exampl plant aggriv breath peopl inhal set immun system and histamin attack launch immun system overboard caus allerg person lot miseri and allergi pollen will troubl herb tea that pollen chamomil linden etc drink substanc can perturb that person system inhal accus includ respir difficulti and don that heart rate and circulatori problem not can deadli and brain damag area brain effect neuroendocrin system control releas gonadotropin supra hormon control cyclic releas testosteron and estradiol somatostatin and steroid test for effect dose wee bit uneth vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison absolut synergyst mess eat undetect shrimp mushroom allerg alcohol and inhal diesel fume bike home contract flu sig dai drink glass sort thing msg you heard thing msg you sick like not food poison stomach flu undetect thing gui allerg human bodi not machin peopl vari wide respons and lot reaction due combin thing diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit you met chemist food industri businessman you person lot for you that evil moster goal inflict pain and diseas into gener public gimm break articl apr rtsg mot lundbi rtsg mot walter undbi write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit superstit experi contrari person sensit msg and wife and kid want food industri put msg food make food tast put salt food reason don understand industri give reason industri byproduct that get rid not that person you big fan such recycl that case cover fact that recip not good food poor qualiti occas that case gener idea that msg improv flavor food you sadist pleasur make sick tast tester defect flavor sensor mouth etc that msg correct don understand nitrosiamin recal natur product heat food don put number criteria choos process food want make tast good good sell for good price etc fact that us tell that that contribut goal interest goal not make peopl sick such goal woud quickli drive busi and for benefit outlaw us substanc warn label larg cig packag warn california law requir that contain carcinogen label that includ gaslin pump food and even monei clean machin nickel mild carcinogen result that pai attent warn requir compar product market free substanc and state that free msg dye nitrosiamin and sulfit packag not peopl want bui thi ugli rotten not tasti food guess will wast huh terribl effici outlaw yellow dye for that matter dye food make food food that good vitamin compani want that fine you make vitamin you whether bui flavor vitamin for kid can swallow convent food food quit put junk you defin junk put salt food bad pepper alcohol preserv seal jar wax vinegar you that chemic food fact that food chemic you express irrat prejudic food process brian
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sci.med	select placebo romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write ron roth recommend onc you your hypoglycemia confirm proper channel you diet omit ron you proper channel thi sound suspici glad caught your ey that purpos thi forum educ eager learn fact life that phrase us bridl frenzi respond feel left proper author consult that topic short mean absolut noth blood chemistri glucos toler and suddenli chemistri exist you perfectli that thi person can save needless troubl and expens simpl muscl test and hair analysi diagnos confirm aberr physiolog that you mean muscl test and hair analysi fascin space ag medic techniqu you us you sit pyramid night shrink your brain back normal mind expand dai your save earth clinic you understand dick king post that diseas not thy evalu statist you cite england journal medicin coul onc figur you wrestl possibl you conceiv not understand answer your question ron you thought you never post misc health alterna tive and insist insinu your untrain medic delusion notion health and diseas into thi forum suspect your appar anger md and heteropath medicin that you psychoanalyt rascal you figur underli father problem can confirm thi surrog muscl test patient ponder theori previous weak indic muscl strengthen you reserv uniqu method diagnosi john badan romda uclink berkelei edu man you start teach thi stuff bet thi net absolut dy learn spinal adjust and head straight for mind for freudian sublux ron roseread world you your rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
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sci.med	select placebo ron roth rose ron roth write romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write ron roth recommend onc you your hypoglycemia confirm proper channel you diet omit ron you proper channel thi sound suspici glad caught your ey that purpos thi forum educ eager learn fact life that phrase us bridl frenzi respond feel left proper author consult that topic short mean absolut noth apt descript content ronroth post date entertain diminish
sci.med	sudden numb arm experienc sudden numb left arm thi morn complet set deep squat todai weight train dai and begin routin sudden end set arm felt had sleep cold turn pale and lost strength weight us for squat wasn that heavi work hard not effort wait for minut shake arm back life and continu chest exercis flye lighter dumbel us drop left dumbel set and experienc continu arm weak into second quit train and decid not usual hour ski machin easi for rest dai arm somewhat numb and significantli weaker normal hand tingl bit thumb color return normal and longer cold horrid thought chunk plaqu block major arteri brain vegetarian and pretti fit daili exercis regimen that can pinch nerv bar symptom hope thi happen noth thi happen come ag tom tom molnar unix system group univers toronto comput commun
sci.med	good grief candida albican doctor includ face that evid yeast connect cannot guarante safeti for incompet rip lip justifi concern thi doesn sound candida albican john badan romda uclink berkelei edu
sci.med	good grief candida albican articl dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl nore netcom jon nore write good grief anger touch raw nerv had symptom that resist treatment sporanox total allevi week hmmm psychot yesss that ill mind steve for your correct diagnosi you lot experi trench treat hundr patient week you forev your debt jon oop gotta run men white coat readi haha happi home can twiddl thumb basket weav and moan sinus charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
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sci.med	good grief candida albican articl romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write doctor includ face that evid yeast connect cannot guarante safeti for incompet rip lip justifi concern thi doesn sound candida albican anger don rip peopl lip candida overcolon and becom fungu man jon charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
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sci.med	refer multipl person disord and allergi heard hand not form inform that recent publish result studi multipl person disord syndrom patient reveal interest clue that root allergi psycholog trigger basi heard thi studi that person mpd patient exhibit observ clinic sign inhal allergi scratch test us heard person show obviou allergi symptom includ test full scratch test for inhal thi true fascin thi studi and studi show and studi publish jon nore charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
sci.med	diet work great articl apr omen caf omen chuck forsberg kgx write articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write can you provid refer substanti that gain back lost weight not constitut weight rebound exce start weight thi oral tradit that share you obes research not two obes europ proceed european congress obes annal acad sci hmmm don refer passiv aggress behavior associ weight rebound brian
sci.med	food relat seizur articl edu dozonoff edu david ozonoff write cereal corn base your post look literatur and locat two articl that implic corn contain tryptophan and seizur idea that corn diet potenti exist latent seizur disord not check two kellog cereal corn base interest year ago intern obes young woman brought into comatos report grand mal seizur attend corn festiv pump stomach and obtain coupl liter corn intact kernal hour woke and fine tempt sign acut corn intox gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	altitud adjust articl mdavcr mda vida mdavcr mda vida morkuna write live sea level and call travel high altitud citi quit frequent busi citi question feet altitud pollut mexico citi bogota paz feel faint two dai feel lighthead and heart pound lot sea level dry citi will tend drink lot water and dehydr drink such contain caffein alcohol thing symptom can ensur that short trip don week acclimat comfort that dai earli preliminari acclimat take dai take week month for full acclimat you experienc jet lag
sci.med	good grief candida albican articl noringc snsx kmo netcom nore netcom jon nore write articl rind enterpris bih harvard edu david rind write convinc evid that such diseas exist lot evid hasn adequ gather and publish that will convinc die hard melanchol skeptic quiver everytim word anecdot empir us evid that convinc credul evid ident sort evid that us justifi sort quack treatment for quack diseas past medicin road methink that hold firmli parti line academ haven trench long treat patient implic not that quack make million such diseas bias that doubt exist don understand real world easi pictur centur snake oil salesman thing trench long multipl quack diseas rise and fall popular system yeast syndom make resurg had fallen year ago will such diseas sell book and expens therapi doctor includ face that evid yeast connect cannot guarante safeti for incompet rip lip justifi concern thi convinc guess start diagnos ill that peopl want that can lip david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
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sci.med	thrush good grief candida albican articl aldridgec netcom aldridg netcom jacquelin aldri write dyer spdcc steve dyer write etc dyer you rude medicin not totallli scientif endevour practic disorgan manner earli treatment life threaten ill guess hazard anecdot evid patient educ guess train person guess cheaper and simpler medic and deal peopl don respond dyer rude and will peopl blind knowledg and unopen that isn establish medic commun doesn surpris that thi outlook for record had outbreak thrush past year indic immunosuppress nutrit defici had not antobiot dentist see fair amount thrush recommend acidophil began take acidophil daili basi outbreak ceas quit take acidophil outbreak period resum resum take acidophil outbreak sinc mike mccurdi univers comput servic disclaim san diego state univers mccurdi ucsvax sdsu edu wrong
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sci.med	diagnos lyme articl watson ibm yozzo watson ibm ralph yozzo write you call quack quack don cultur poo poo lab test thi lyme you argu that lyme lab test accur you cultur spirochet virtual patient lyme suppos you contamin exception sloppi lab not fals posit gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	food relat seizur sharon paulson paulson tab larc nasa gov wrote delet fact that thi happen eat two sugar coat cereal made kellog make allerg reaction coat cereal famili kathryn show sign hai fever run nose itchi ey etc lot allergi famili histori includ weird food allergi nut mushroom cereal corn base your post look literatur and locat two articl that implic corn contain tryptophan and seizur idea that corn diet potenti exist latent seizur disord not check two kellog cereal corn base interest david ozonoff mph boston univers school public health dozonoff med itvax edu east concord boston
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write dougb comm mot doug bank subject msg sensit superstit date thu apr gmt articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write lot edit previuo post anoth anecdot stori picki eater and never want chines food final order girl time had never heard chines restaur syndrom group restaur and share dish didn tast great decid wasn bad home and bed earli woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that suffic that wont into chines restaur physic threaten smell food make ill and that psycholg reaction drag suffer beef and broccoli sauc insist msg haven sick funni that wife girlfriend time us sick eat food asian restaur and never knew pale and sweati and vomit copious coupl ventur connect msg and respons msg that happen pig brand savouri cracker and chip notic had msg label don doubl blind avoid msg stop sick restaur cheer john john nash email nash biologysx lan nrc institut for biolog scienc nation research council canada cell physiolog group ottawa ontario canada disclaim opinion mine not nrc
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sci.med	hicn medic newslett part cut hicnet medic newslett page volum number april gonorrhea colorado sourc mmwr date apr number report case gonorrhea colorado increas declin steadili comparison unit state report case gonorrhea continu decreas trend thi report summar analysi increas gonorrhea colorado and character trend occurr thi diseas case gonorrhea report colorado depart health cdh compar case report report case increas and femal and male tabl similar increas occur black white and hispan and number report case race not increas and constitut report case largest proport increas ag group occur person ag year and greater equal year ag group account for report case person year ag group account for largest number report case gonorrhea and highest ag group specif rate per report case gonorrhea increas counti denver metropolitan area popul decreas state tabl half case gonorrhea denver metropolitan area occur censu tract repres neighborhood consid sexual transmit diseas std acquir immunodefici syndrom aid field staff focu gang and drug activ compar number gonorrhea case diagnos men denver metro health clinic dmhc primari public std clinic denver metropolitan area increas and number visit male clinic increas concurr number case diagnos women increas identifi heterosexu men number gonorrhea case diagnos dmhc increas and compris case diagnos male number case diagnos identifi homosexu men remain low and and select laboratori metropolitan denver area hmo univers hospit nonprofit famili plan and commerci contact determin whether gonorrhea cultur posit rate increas gonorrhea cultur posit rate laboratori contact increas rate virtual unchang fourth nonprofit famili plan report case gonorrhea white and hispan colorado decreas comparison report case black hicnet medic newslett page volum number april increas sinc figur popul colorado increas for black for hispan and for white gonorrhea rate for black per person time that for white per and time that for hispan per tabl black femal report case gonorrhea increas year ag group black male case increas and year ag group report gershman finn spencer msph std aid program hoffman state epidemiologist colorado dept health dougla denver dept health and hospit surveil and inform system div sexual transmit diseas and hiv prevent nation center for prevent svc cdc editori note increas report gonorrhea case colorado repres increas occurr thi diseas complet report stimul visit laboratori cdh surveil staff increas confirm gonorrhea case dmhc and cultur posit rate laboratori suggest real increas gonorrhea report artifact stabl cultur posit rate nonprofit famili plan laboratori serv network clinic statewid that gonorrhea increas not uniformli affect segment popul explan for increas occurr gonorrhea colorado gang and drug relat sexual behavior implic recent outbreak drug resist gonorrhea and std colorado spring high morbid censu tract denver metropolitan area coincid area gang and drug activ thi hypothesi requir assess examin role drug us implic previous factor contribut nation increas syphili cdh std aid program collect inform person gonorrhea diagnos drug us exchang sex for monei drug and gang affili gonorrhea rate for black colorado substanti exce nation health object for year per object race like risk marker risk factor for gonorrhea and std risk marker for identifi group greatest risk for std and for target prevent effort race specif variat std rate reflect differ factor such socioeconom statu access medic care and high risk behavior respons increas occurr gonorrhea colorado intervent initi cdh std aid program includ target partner notif denver metropolitan area person group increas risk year black femal and year black male implement media campaign public servic radio hicnet medic newslett page volum number april announc sign citi buse newspap advertis and poster school and clinic promot awar std risk and prevent target primarili high risk group and develop team peer educ perform educ outreach high risk neighborhood educ intervent develop and implement assist member target group and input forum commun leader and health care provid refer cdc tabl case select notifi diseas unit state week end decemb and decemb week mmwr cdc gang relat outbreak penicillinas produc neisseria gonorrhoea and sexual transmit diseas colorado spring colorado mmwr cdc relationship syphili drug us and prostitut connecticut and philadelphia pennsylvania mmwr rolf goldberg sharrar risk factor for syphili cocain us and prostitut public health andru fleme harger partner notif can control epidem syphili ann intern med gershman rolf diverg gonorrhea and syphili trend real public health public health servic healthi peopl nation health promot and diseas prevent object full report commentari washington depart health and human servic public health servic dhh public ph hicnet medic newslett page volum number april effect diseas and injuri prevent impact adult safeti belt us restraint us children year ag select state and sourc mmwr date apr motor vehicl crash lead death children and young adult unit state and account for million year potenti life lost ag annual child safeti seat and safeti belt can substanti reduc thi loss state pass legisl requir us child safeti seat safeti belt for children law reduc injuri young children estim motor vehicl crash relat injuri remain major disabl and death children us occup restraint children decreas invers ag usag for ag year ag year and ag year addit parent not us safeti belt like us restraint for children character associ adult safeti belt us and adult report consist us occup restraint for youngest child ag year household cdc analyz data obtain behavior risk factor surveil system brfss and thi report summar find thi studi data for respond ag greater equal year state that particip brfss popul base random digit dial telephon survei and administ standard injuri control and child safeti modul develop cdc respond had child ag year household each respond ask child ag and frequenc restraint us for that child two categori child restraint and adult safeti belt us thi analysi consist us buckl and consist us almost sometim rare never buckl data weight provid estim repres each state softwar for survei data analysi sudaan us calcul point estim and confid interv statist signific differ defin valu each state had type child restraint law six arizona kentucki main nebraska rhode island and west virginia had law requir adult us safeti belt idaho maryland pennsylvania and washington had secondari enforc mandatori safeti belt law vehicl had stop for traffic violat citat for nonus safeti belt issu and state york had primari enforc mandatori safeti belt law vehicl stop for safeti belt law violat alon state child passeng protect hicnet medic newslett page volum number april law includ children ag year two state us ag and size child criteria for mandatori restraint us analysi thi report subgroup state into law requir adult safeti belt us law state and such law law state children ag year reportedli not consist restrain automobil travel child restraint us and adult restraint us significantli higher chi squar test law state law state versu and versu high rate restraint us for children ag equal year report adult indic consist and consist safeti belt us figur adult consist us report high rate child occup restraint us child ag rang for year old for year old comparison for adult report consist safeti belt us rate child occup restraint us declin sharpli ag child rang for year old for year old compar children consist adult safeti belt user children consist adult safeti belt user confid interv overlap for two youngest ag group ag and year report child occup restraint us law state gener exceed that law state ag child tabl addit higher adult educ attain significantli associ increas restraint us for children factor that associ increas adult safeti belt us report nation center for injuri prevent and control nation center for chronic diseas prevent and health promot cdc editori note find thi report consist indic that adult not us safeti belt like emploi occup restraint for children nonbelt adult increas risk crash and like exhibit risk take behavior children travel greater risk for motor vehicl injuri educ attain adult respond invers associ child restraint us thi report accordingli occup protect program promot parent low educ attain low educ attain associ low socioeconom statu such program offer adult health care facil that serv low incom commun feder program head start that direct parent young children injuri prevent program emphas restrain young children addit effort intensifi protect child occup hicnet medic newslett page volum number april becom older parent low educ attain not consist wear safeti belt and state that not mandatori safeti belt us law encourag wear safeti belt and protect children approv child safeti seat and safeti belt final increas us restraint children increas likelihood safeti belt becom teenag ag group character lowest rate safeti belt us and highest rate fatal crash refer cdc childhood injuri unit state di child partyka paper child restraint effect and us washington depart transport nation highwai traffic safeti administr report dot guerin mackinnon assess california child passeng restraint requir public health hall orr suttl progress report increas child restraint usag local educ and distribut program chapel hill north carolina univers north carolina chapel hill highwai safeti research center nation highwai traffic safeti administr occup protect trend citi washington depart transport nation highwai traffic safeti administr wagenaar molnar margoli characterist child safeti seat user accid anal prev shah barnwel hunt lavang softwar for survei data analysi sudaan version softwar document research triangl park north carolina research triangl institut lund voluntari seat belt us driver geograph socioeconom and demograph variat accid anal prev margoli wagenaar molnar us and misus automobil child restraint devic di child hunter stutt stewart rodgman characterist seatbelt user and user state mandatori us law health educ hicnet medic newslett page volum number april research arizona idaho kentucki main maryland nebraska york pennsylvania rhode island washington and west virginia hicnet medic newslett page volum number april public cdc surveil summari sourc mmwr date apr sinc cdc publish cdc surveil summari separ cover part mmwr seri each report publish cdc surveil summari focus public health surveil surveil find report for broad rang risk factor and health condit summari for each report publish recent march issu cdc surveil summari provid below subscrib mmwr receiv cdc surveil summari mmwr recommend and report part subscript surveil for and comparison birth defect preval two geograph area unit state problem condit cdc and state develop surveil system monitor birth preval major defect report period cover thi report cover birth defect surveil metropolitan atlanta georgia and select jurisdict california for year descript system california birth defect monitor program and metropolitan atlanta congenit defect program two popul base surveil system that emploi similar data collect method preval estim for diagnost categori base data for for birth california and birth metropolitan atlanta preval two area compar adjust for race sex and matern ag poisson regress result region differ preval aortic stenosi fetal alcohol syndrom hip disloc dysplasia microcephalu obstruct kidnei uret and scoliosi lordosi attribut gener diagnost variabl differ preval arm hand limb reduct encephalocel spina bifida trisomi syndrom not attribut differ ascertain defect rel easi diagnos interpret region differ prenat diagnosi and pregnanc termin affect preval trisomi and spina bifida reason for differ arm hand reduct unknown relat variabl environment exposur heterogen gene pool random variat action similar data base collabor studi implement differ birth preval spina bifida and syndrom will focu attent impact prenat diagnosi author jane schulman nanci hicnet medic newslett page volum number april jensvold gari shaw california birth defect monitor program march dime birth defect foundat larri edmond ann mcclearn divis birth defect and development disabl nation center for environment health cdc influenza unit state problem condit cdc monitor emerg and spread influenza viru variant and impact influenza morbid and mortal annual octob report period cover thi report cover influenza surveil conduct octob descript system weekli report vital statist offic citi provid index influenza impact mortal collabor laboratori report weekli identif influenza virus weekli morbid report receiv state and territori epidemiologist and sentinel famili practic physician nonsystemat report outbreak and unusu ill receiv year result influenza season influenza and virus identifi unit state essenti equal frequenc region and tempor pattern predomin shift season season increas indic influenza morbid region influenza predomin similar increas region influenza predomin identifi virus influenza isol thi subtyp increas season wane and subsequ predomin season season outbreak nurs home report associ influenza and not influenza interpret altern tempor and geograph predomin influenza strain and season emphas import continu attent region viral strain surveil sinc amantadin effect for treatment and prophylaxi influenza action weekli interim analys surveil data produc season physician and public health offici make inform choic us amantadin cdc annual surveil observ viral variant assess candid for inclus compon vaccin us subsequ influenza season author louisa chapman epidemiolog activ offic director divis viral and rickettsi diseas nation center for infecti diseas margaret tippl divis quarantin nation center for prevent servic cdc suzann gaventa folger health investig branch divis health studi agenc for toxic substanc and diseas registri mauric harmon connaught hicnet medic newslett page volum number april laboratori pasteur mirieux compani swiftwat pennsylvania alan kendal european region offic world health organ copenhagen denmark nanci cox influenza branch divis viral and rickettsi diseas nation center for infecti diseas lawrenc schonberg epidemiolog activ offic director divis viral and rickettsi diseas nation center for infecti diseas cdc refer cdc cdc surveil summari march mmwr hicnet medic newslett page volum number april clinic research new clinic research new for arizona physician vol april tucson arizona publish monthli offic public affair univers arizona health scienc center copyright univers arizona high tech assist reproduct technolog birth vitro fertil embryo transfer ivf babi host assist reproduct technolog develop that includ ivf gamet intrafallopian tube transfer gift embryo cryopreserv freez and gamet micromanipul togeth technolog refer high tech assist reproduct technolog art procedur ovul induct sperm insemin and surgeri for tubal diseas and patholog mainstai therapi for infertil manag fail almost proce art procedur addit comprehens basic and gener infertil servic univers arizona center for reproduct endocrinolog and infertil program assist reproduct that special art procedur thi program serv tertiari provid for patient state arizona infertil problem cannot resolv tradit therapi articl back describ art procedur center clarifi applic for each and consid realist expect for success procedur includ vitro fertil embryo transfer ivf gamet intrafallopian tube transfer gift cryopreserv human embryo and gamet micromanipul thi articl consid ongo research program that direct improv success technolog hicnet medic newslett page volum number april futur area research addit ongo research that direct exclus manag infertil coupl develop technolog assist coupl risk for produc embryo hereditari diseas thi technolog involv biopsi preimplant human embryo and subject biopsi cell genet analysi dna amplif fluoresc situ hybrid recent report success applic dna amplif center for exampl for diagnosi gene for cystic fibrosi and hemophilia hope appli and focu fluoresc situ hybrid technolog for probe chromosom identif will provid scientif basi for counsel patient exhibit sex link disord consider clinic applic such technolog li fact that circumv for prenat diagnosi addit possibl subsequ termin affect fetus order avoid birth affect children catherin racowski associ professor and director research depart obstetr and gynecolog colleg medicin univers arizona tucson arizona applic success rate and advanc for manag infertil art procedur univers arizona center for reproduct endocrinolog and infertil vitro fertil embryo transfer core art procedur assist reproduct program thi procedur involv retriev unfertil egg ovari insemin vitro dish and cultur result embryo for dai transfer patient uteru cultur maintain incub strictli control atmospher and temperatur condit process for us insemin semen sampl evalu androlog laboratori subject light microscopi and comput hicnet medic newslett page volum number april assist semen analys ensur adequ number egg perform ivf gift follicular develop typic stimul gonadotropin perganol metrodin gonadotropin releas hormon gnrh factrel lutrepuls and gnrh analogu lupron depo lupron synarel occasion ivf accomplish egg obtain stimul cycl program util laparoscop egg retriev oper room patient gener anesthesia undertak costli approach ultrasound guid retriev infertil unit patient sedat coupl resort ivf exhibit such patholog tubal defici ovulatori dysfunct endometriosi and mild form male factor infertil unit state ivf registri success rate for ivf nationwid stabil percent per cycl result program involv patient undergon ivf cycl reflect compar success rate nevertheless incid success thi procedur disconcertingli low and emphas address physiolog factor that limit achiev higher percentag pregnanc recogn predictor outcom includ patient ag respons exogen ovarian stimul qualiti sperm and number repeat ivf cycl attempt ag singl signific determin concept critic that such patient refer assist reproduct program earliest opportun failur tradit therapi underli basi for neg effect ag fertil not delin recognit that number egg for retriev declin markedli ag fertil rate significantli decreas egg retriev patient year and provid hormon background present ag unrel uterin compet sustain pregnanc ongo research center investig physiolog egg that impact ag determin that percent egg that fail fertil vitro chromosom abnorm and that signific proport abnorm account patient ag recours for such patient us egg obtain donor program initi recruit volunt egg donor satisfi list recipi interest thi form therapi gift thi high tech art procedur perform oper room us laparoscop and contrast ivf involv introduc sperm and freshli retriev egg into lumen fallopian tube averag egg tube circumst fertil occur vivo and excess egg retriev remaind undergo ivf subsequ option for embryo transfer that cycl freez for transfer 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reduc cost circumv legal and ethic issu relat dispos supernumerari embryo stipul american fertil societi ethic guidelin for art program practic and ethic standpoint assist reproduct program capabl cryopreserv human embri gamet micromanipul thi art procedur appli coupl unaccept insemin donor semen sever male factor infertil million sperm combin fewer perccent motil sperm and percent sperm normal morpholog develop procedur sub zonal insert szi entail inject sperm coat egg barrier penetr sperm enzymat digest data szi program world wide that percent szi cycl result pregnanc thi statist undoubtedli relat limit impos abnorm inher sperm focus develop improv techniqu for recognit and select sperm chosen for manipul such effort unquestion worthwhil view fact that thi technolog offer realist opportun for sever male factor patient establish concept catherin racowski hicnet medic newslett page volum number april associ professor and director research depart obstetr and gynecolog colleg medicin end 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sci.med	hicn medic new part cut limit azt efficaci and suggest drug sequenti drug kind aid treatment cocktail combin number drug fight viru onc treat peopl azt alon doesn happen real world anymor mark jacobson univers california san francisco recent find indic that hiv replic rapidli lymph node infect physician begin push even harder for earli treatment hiv infect patient infecti diseas push american medic new vol center for diseas control will launch worldwid network track spread infecti diseas and detect drug resist strain time prevent spread network expect cost million and million essenti part clinton administr health reform plan cdc and expert plan will requir cdc enhanc surveil diseas unit state and establish facil across world track diseas april nih plan begin aid drug trial earlier stage natur vol macilwain colin hicnet medic newslett page volum number april nation institut health announc will start treat hiv posit patient seroconvers result recent find that show hiv activ bodi larg number earlier previous believ anthoni fauci director nation institut allergi and infecti diseas niaid address question treat peopl earli possibl can drug that safe give peopl for year and that will microbi resist delai signifi question safeti and resist lack fund fauci author two paper publish last week natur reject argument author cecil fox that discoveri that billion spent vaccin trial wast time and monei trial start long patient infect and end quickli john tew medic colleg virginia richmond claim that evid strongli back argument for earli treatment hiv infect patient aid activist welcom inform scientif commun slow understand signific infect lymph tissu thi for year glad public domain jess dobson california base project inform peter duesberg believ that aid independ hiv and result drug abus west paradox explan aid even paper april risk aid viru doctor found minim washington post risk hiv transmit infect health care profession patient minim research publish todai journal american medic associ jama thi find support previou conclus health expert that chanc contract hiv health care worker remot studi jama demonstr that thousand patient treat two hiv posit surgeon and dentist infect viru studi conduct separ research team hampshir maryland and florida each studi start hiv posit doctor dentist and test patient will particip hampshir studi found that patient had undergon invas procedur hiv posit orthoped surgeon contract hiv maryland patient oper breast surgeri specialist john hopkin hospit found hiv neg similarli florida dental hicnet medic newslett page volum number april patient had treat hiv posit gener dentist test and found neg for hiv florida research led gordon dickinson univers miami school medicin thi studi that risk for transmiss hiv gener dentist patient minim set univers precaut strictli observ relat stori philadelphia inquir altern medicin advoc divid nih research program aid treatment new gilden dave offic altern medicin nation institut health rais question nih commit effort that unorthodox holist therapeut method oam small divis nih budget million dollar compar billion for nih addit monei for research grant even smaller total will thi year for grant kaiya montaocean center for natur and tradit medicin washington oam afraid becom involv aid success and easi answer aid common percept that oam will focu field nih establish will find threaten such relax techniqu and acupunctur oam call for advisori committe confer peopl last year aid commun larg miss meet addit activist gener lack contact offic ad suspicion that epidem will jon greenberg act york oam advisori panel compos practition real research experi will year accept natur research nevertheless leanna standish research director and aid investig bastyr colleg naturopath medicin seattl wonder opportun fund aid research fair give offic time gel public insist that public relat herpesviru decim immun cell soldier scienc new vol fackelmann kathi scientist conduct test tube experi found that herpesviru can attack human immun system natur killer cell thi attack killer cell malfunct diminish import compon immun system fight diseas herpesviru factor immun diseas such aid paolo lusso research found that herpesviru attack anoth white cell lymphocyt primari target hiv lusso found that herpesviru can hicnet medic newslett page volum number april kill natur killer cell scientist previous knew that natur killer cell patient infect hiv not work correctli lusso research repres time scientist that natur killer cell vulner kind viral attack anthoni komaroff research harvard medic school despit test tube find scientist uncertain whether result occur bodi lusso team found that herpesviru produc receptor molecul that access for hiv lymphocyt express thi surfac receptor make vulner hiv attack research conclud that herpesviru cell can exacerb affect hiv april aid and prioriti global villag editor journal american medic associ vol gellert georg and nordenberg dale health care worker oblig and respons for not ensur that politician understand dimens health problem commit relat polici write georg gellert and dale nordenberg orang counti health care agenc santa ana calif and emori univers school public health atlanta berklei editori american doctor care aid epidem unit state detail reason for concert interest that countri share combat aid note that aid lead hasten global health interdepend not ill diseas such malaria and respiratori and intestin pathogen similarli inhibit econom develop human and act margin larg popul berklei mention enorm social and econom impact that aid will develop countri and increas for intern assist that will result berklei cite lack polit aggress aid epidem decad administr promis substanti differ approach intern health and develop gener and hiv aid vice presid gore propos book earth balanc major environment initi that includ sustain intern develop program promot literaci improv child surviv and dissemin contracept technolog and access develop world enact thi chang polici drastic chang futur worldwid health aid and prioriti global villag repli journal american hicnet medic newslett page volum number april medic associ vol berklei seth nation tackl hiv earli and aggress diseas reach endem state even cost divert attent ill write seth berklei rockefel foundat york repli letter dr gellert and nordenberg true that diseas aid such malaria and respiratori and intestin ill similarli inhibit econom develop develop countri and deserv attent get berklei disagre content that aid receiv attent hiv differ diseas develop countri continu spread for endem diseas outcom neglect intervent for year anoth year level needless diseas and death aid and increas spread cost neglect not diseas burden financi greater intervent earli part rampantli spread epidem hiv highli cost effect each individu infect prevent significantli interrupt transmiss berklei agre gellert and nordenberg gigant social and econom effect aid and for polit leadership conclud that not assert polit leadership need unit state for aid epidem even develop countri high rate hiv infect and complac epidem rule hicnet medic newslett page volum number april aid hiv articl hiv vaccin trial begin hiv infect children depart health and human servic march hiv vaccin therapi trial begin hiv infect children nation institut health open trial experiment hiv vaccin children infect human immunodefici viru hiv viru that aid trial will compar safeti hiv experiment vaccin children recruit site nationwid volunt hiv infect symptom hiv diseas hh secretari donna shalala thi initi studi can hope mileston effort amelior tragedi hiv infect children face certainti will develop aid anthoni fauci director nation institut allergi and infecti diseas and nih offic aid research trial step find whether vaccin can prevent delai diseas progress children hiv not sick vaccin prove safe sophist question therapeut potenti will assess phase trial center for diseas control and prevent estim children unit state hiv end decad world health organ project million children will infect worldwid studi will enrol children ag month year niaid fund aid clinic trial group network anticip conduct trial actg site countri and site particip actg fund nation institut child health and human develop preliminari evid similar studi infect adult show that vaccin can boost exist hiv specif immun respons and hicnet medic newslett page volum number april stimul will year research respons affect clinic diseas result pediatr trial actg will examin close for reason thi trial will provid insight into immatur immun system respond candid hiv vaccin daniel hoth director niaid divis aid thi inform design trial test whether experiment vaccin can prevent hiv infect children unit state hiv infect children live poor citi area and percent minor black hispan hiv infect children acquir viru mother pregnanc birth infect mother unit state chanc transmit viru babi grow number women childbear ag becom expos hiv inject drug us infect sexual partner research expect increas number infect children hiv diseas progress rapidli infant and children adult recent inform suggest that percent infant born hiv develop aid relat infect year ag infect includ sever frequent bout common bacteri ill childhood that can result seizur pneumonia diarrhea and symptom lead nutrit problem and long hospit stai half children trial will year ag younger enabl comparison immun respons younger and older particip volunt document hiv infect symptom hiv diseas swollen lymph gland mildli swollen liver spleen cannot receiv anti retrovir immun regul drug month prior entri into studi studi chair john lambert univers rochest medic school and chair samuel katz duke univers school medicin will coordin trial assist jame mcnamara medic offic pediatr medicin branch niaid divis aid will compar safeti vaccin close monitor children for side effect vaccin produc swollen arm fever for exampl anoth mcnamara whether low high dose vaccin stimul immun respons signific laboratori clinic effect emphas that small studi size preclud compar respons effect hicnet medic newslett page volum number april product trial will test two dose each experiment vaccin made recombin hiv protein call subunit vaccin each genet engin piec viru prove toler ongo trial hiv infect adult vaccin made microgenesi inc meriden conn contain protein that rise hiv surfac protein alum adjuv adjuv boost specif immun respons vaccin present alum adjuv us human vaccin licens food and drug administr vaccin made genentech inc south san francisco and biocin joint ventur chiron and ciba geigi emeryvil calif major hiv surfac protein adjuv genentech vaccin contain alum biocin vaccin contain experiment adjuv that prove safe and effect phase vaccin trial adult low dose each product will test placebo children twelv children will assign random immun experiment vaccin and children will adjuv alon consid placebo health care worker children will told receiv low dose toler 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sci.med	thi migrain geb pitt edu gordon bank except migrain arguabl neurolog hope you meant inargu choic argu argument migran aura fact current evid that aura intrinsici neuron spread depress leao vascular caus vasoconstrict and secondari neuron ischemia migrain aura fuzzier issu not object measur brain function copenhagen mafia lauritzen olesen local cbf studi migrain aura and unlik migrain aura tension type found lcbf absurd perspect pain neurolog absenc nervou system not pain anoth tautolog perspect diseas domain specialti that treat neurologist treat headach usa headach neurolog whether neurolog not disagre that disabl headach common perhap fee for servic neurolog colleagu scroung for case want headach patient can work salari not fill offic patient hold head pain slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
sci.med	thrush good grief candida albican dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi write dyer rude drink that yeah yeah yeah didn threaten rip your lip snort and will peopl blind knowledg and unopen that isn establish medic commun doesn surpris that thi outlook duh nice steve high and almighti intellectu prowess tact for record had outbreak thrush past year indic immunosuppress nutrit defici had not antobiot listen thrush recogn clinic syndrom definit characterist you thrush you thrush you can lesion and cultur and you treat gener respond you not immunocompromis nore anal retent ide fix fungal infect sinus not even categori walk neurasthen convinc candida read quack book yawn dentist see fair amount thrush recommend acidophil began take acidophil daili basi outbreak ceas quit take acidophil outbreak period resum resum take acidophil outbreak sinc exactli question you steve your point thi person had you didn steve dyer nice that thing never chang steve you aren ignor group altern you into anoth posit thing you longer bother folk altern shame that peopl suffer that breath freeli for wast bandwidth folk don forget bow onc second dai and offer your born almight omnisci omnipot steve
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit nfdg sdf lonestar org marco sdf lonestar org steve giammarco write and add fuel flame war read year ago that natur msg extract sourc you mention not report aftereffect that nasti artifici msg extract coal tar that chines restaur syndrom find thi pretti hard heard msg mono sodium glutam fairli straight forward compound pure sourc not problem your comment suggest that impur experi msg effect part doubl blind studi that pure stuff caus sever effect possibl incorrect assumpt that msg food made process sugar beet thi not true sourc msg soya bean ferment chees mushroom msg folx react sometim strongli msg react strongli sodium chlorid tabl salt excess each symptom for common rapid heartbeat and uncomfort feel pressur chest upper left quadrant symptom had numb jaw muscl instanc arm leg headach lethargi and unabl awak affect peopl differ
sci.med	neurofibromatosi write grant propos for development genet class and chose neurofibromatosi gene and variabl express curiou thi subject relationship specif mutat and result phenotyp literatur search produc refer want make propos research ayth that recent kei peopl research search for medlin apprciat inform you lisa megna lmegna titan ucc umass edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl annick cortex physiol annick cortex physiol annick ansselin write nfdg sdf lonestar org marco sdf lonestar org steve giammarco write and add fuel flame war read year ago that natur msg extract sourc you mention not report aftereffect that nasti artifici msg extract coal tar that chines restaur syndrom find thi pretti hard heard msg mono sodium glutam fairli straight forward compound pure sourc not problem your comment suggest that impur experi msg effect part doubl blind studi that pure stuff caus sever effect possibl incorrect assumpt that msg food made process sugar beet thi not true sourc msg soya bean ferment chees mushroom msg folx react sometim strongli msg react strongli sodium chlorid tabl salt excess each symptom for common rapid heartbeat and uncomfort feel pressur chest upper left quadrant symptom had numb jaw muscl instanc arm leg headach lethargi and unabl awak affect peopl differ msg made kind plant call tapioca and not staff you mentiond
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sci.med	acutan fibromyalgia syndrom and cf repli daniel princ calcom socal daniel princ person fido cf echo claim that cure cf take accutan claim that you treatment fibromyalgia syndrom you accutan treatment fibromyalgia syndrom you us for cf work equal for cf anoth hint that facet underli process you good result benefit evid dai start patient for work continu low dose amitriptylin daili aerob excersis and regular sleep schedul current standard therapi cost depend dose and potenti for signific side effect corneal injuri and birth defect reserv for fail convent treatment import that person prescrib experi and follow patient close you awar doubl blind studi us accutan condit you advanc for repli person duff and finish write case report not academ physician don feel pressur publish perish and don time work dai for such thing david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	good grief candida albican repli aldridg netcom jacquelin aldridg medicin not total scientif endevour acquisit scientif knowledg complet scientif applic that knowledg individu case art scienc diseas that haven describ and root diseas describ aren read book gastroenterolog you want lot scientif method run patient freedom choic experiment method choos and recogn doctor that medicin doesn answer don answer question reliabl mean acquir medic knowledg scientif method proven reliabl reason altern therapi shun physician that practition refus submit theori rigor scientif scrutini insist that tradit anecdot evid suffici shown time past unreli wai acquir reliabl knowledg crook idea never back scientif evid unwilling good scienc make rest doubt verac content david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	burzynski antineoplaston articl jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu josh schwimmer write recent listen tape stanislaw burzynski claim discov seri natur occur peptid anti cancer properti that name antineoplaston burzynski that work met hostil unit state despit favor respons subject clinic trial gener accept opinion burzynski research paint lone research breakthrough battl intoler medic establish basi judg claim two week ago read that nih depart altern medicin decid focu attent burzynski work budget small that imagin wouldn investig treatment that didn promis opinion burzynski antineoplaston inform current statu research appreci joshua schwimmer jschwimmer eagl wesleyan edu extens discuss compuserv cancer forum burzynski treatment result decis forum member father undertak treatment for brain glioblastoma thi diseas univers and rapidli fatal diagnosi june tumor grow rapidli despit radiat and chemotherapi forum member check extens burzynki track record for thi diseas spoke patient complet remiss for year glioblastoma thi treatment and nci oncologist had audit such case histori and found valid and impress forum member father began burzynski treatment septemb subsequ scan perform auspic oncologist chicago shown tumor growth sign shrinkag necrosi patient oncologist tell not live past decemb vehement oppos burzynski treatment sinc tumor stop rapid growth burzynski treatment sinc chang attitud continu treatment ain broke don fix burzynski research background found protein that low serum level cancer patient synthes and administ patient cancer type understand actual mechan activ david scheim bitnet internet desl helix nih gov phone compuserv fax disclaim comment offer share knowledg base person view not repres posit employ
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sci.med	select placebo levin bbn joel levin write john badan wrote ron you proper channel glad caught your ey that purpos thi forum educ eager learn fact life that phrase us bridl frenzi respond feel left proper author consult that topic short mean absolut noth apt descript content ron roth post date entertain diminish that easi for you you sit back soak your patient and brag your colleagu that incred success rate you sudden ron roseread for real spong cake borrow ingredi rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	hisman side effect articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr lrc edu kjiv lrc edu write can whether not medic link rapid excess weight gain and distort sens tast smell hisman azmacort topic steroid prevent asthma vancenas hisman astemizol link weight gain peculiar that antihistamin thi effect and even antihistamin astemizol purportedli doesn cross blood brain barrier and not drowsi antihistamin can weight gain find don doctor asleep wheel origin poster mention fatigu had that due bizarr dream wasn get rest doctor that common reaction astemizol doesn cross blood brain barrier that side effect idea sheryl coppeng sea comput facil staff sheryl sea gwu edu georg washington univers
sci.med	msg sensit superstit smjeff lerc lerc nasa gov jeff miller write even properli control studi doubl blind studi almost useless you prove that not affect and articl qnn agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event good grief heard biostatist univers washington harvard unc depart and advanc degre program biostatist wife biostat and plenti md phd and postdoc biostatist work peopl thi for live bright peopl studi for decad thi sort studi anecedot evid worthless even doctor drug treatment for year and swear effect supris result clinic trial whether not msg describ report document symptom pretti simpl discov last studi wife work emploi nurs doctor and dozen univers and hospit nation msg question settl lowli biostat student thesi bruce
sci.med	krillean photographi live thing maintain small electr field enhanc chemic reaction promot commun state cell commun cell nervou system special exampl and perhap electr field chang locat and time larg organ special photograph techniqu such appli extern field kirillian photographi interact field resist caus field make interest pictur perhap such pictur will diagonist diseas problem organ understood perhap not studi electr activ biolog system hundr year not popular activ perhap case tissu nerv and electr sens fish hard reduc investig into small piec that can analyz hint that manipul electr field therapi such speed heal broken bone not understood bioelectr long associ mystic idea such frankenstein reanim back earli electr experi tissu such volta invent batteri person don care revert supernatur explain thing don understand
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sci.med	thrush good grief candida albican articl apr ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi write dentist see fair amount thrush recommend acidophil began take acidophil daili basi outbreak ceas quit take acidophil outbreak period resum resum take acidophil outbreak sinc thi second post blur distinct real diseas caus candida albican and diseas that ask system yeast syndrom question that candida albican thrush case that activ yogurt cultur acidophil reduc recurr thrush for vagin thrush never heard take for oral thrush work mechan candida common minor pathogen and common major pathogen that not mean that evid that system yeast syndrom david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
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sci.med	get aid acupunctur needl articl euu agat berkelei edu romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write wrote express concern get aid acupunctur needl your friend share fluid acupuncturist aid not imposs will aid acupunctur needl gener even accid inocul normal immun respons effect handl minim contamin involv acupunctur needl insert isn thi hiv normal immun respons exposur acupuncturist us dispos needl us onc and throw had electr puls nerv test back needl dirti drawer instrument cart and not steril even clean for that matter like fresh previou patient concern mouth shut rais hell comment excus
sci.med	food relat seizur articl edu dozonoff edu david ozonoff write path new larc nasa gov darwin sura net zaphod mp ohio state edu uwm edu linac att edu dozonoff dozonoff edu david ozonoff newsgroup sci med date apr gmt refer paulson apr cmb larc nasa gov sender new edu line newsread tin sharon paulson paulson tab larc nasa gov wrote delet fact that thi happen eat two sugar coat cereal made kellog make allerg reaction coat cereal famili kathryn show sign hai fever run nose itchi ey etc lot allergi famili histori includ weird food allergi nut mushroom cereal corn base your post look literatur and locat two articl that implic corn contain tryptophan and seizur idea that corn diet potenti exist latent seizur disord not check two kellog cereal corn base interest david ozonoff mph boston univers school public health dozonoff med itvax edu east concord boston coupl folk suggest corn connect month period two seizur daughter had eaten fair amount kix and berri berri kix morn and never had problem check label and ingredi corn never had problem eat corn corn cob that dai full stomach absorpt not high that frost flake corn will check fruit loop fact that eaten thi corni cereal morn make for check into thi inform thi point valuabl sharon sharon paulson paulson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home
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sci.med	diagnos lyme gordon bank geb pitt edu wrote articl apr lehigh edu mcg lehigh edu marc gabriel write not that cultur diagnos hard cultur case point that develop feel for and isn thi come year experi serolog can match that call quack and accus make quick buck you call quack quack don cultur poo poo lab test thi lyme time lab test aren accur treat practic almost exclus devot treat lyme patient don orthoped surgeon fit thi pattern gp not exclus treat patient part countri you don specialist larg number patient walk your offic huge problem underdiagnosi orthopedist encount late manifest diseas dai regular practic told that last year and patient week specialist and not orthopedist town that peopl per week that mean minimum peopl town and area develop late stage manifest year add folk diagnos neurologist rheumatologist gp etc and you can kind problem town person patient refer patient specialist extrem case put patient medic immedi minim damag case knee gordon correct state that specialist gp marc marc gabriel box lehigh univers
sci.med	hisman side effect articl apr sea gwu edu sheryl sea gwu edu sheryl coppeng write articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write hisman astemizol link weight gain peculiar that antihistamin thi effect and even antihistamin astemizol purportedli doesn cross blood brain barrier and not drowsi origin poster mention fatigu had that due bizarr dream wasn get rest doctor that common reaction astemizol doesn cross blood brain barrier that side effect idea made bitchi for week that bizarr dream doctor made feel had time you take week symptom hang and
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structur predict ioerger rendel surbramaniam protein secondari structur model probabilist network delcher kasif goldberg hsu lunch protein secondari structur two level case base reason leng buchanan nichola automat deriv substructur yield structur build block globular protein zhang fetrow renni waltz berg dirichlet mixtur prior deriv hidden markov model for protein famili brown hughei krogh mian sjoland haussler break protein classif neural network ferran pflugfeld ferrara neural network for molecular sequenc classif berri fung mclarti computation effici cluster represent molecular sequenc megaclassif state harri hunter poster setup recept poster session thursdai juli continent breakfast invit talk larg scale dna sequenc tale mice and men prof leroi hood univers washington break pattern recognit for autom dna sequenc line signal condit and featur extract for basecal bolden iii torgersen tibbett genet algorithm for sequenc assembl parson forrest burk partial digest approach restrict 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sci.med	accupunctur and aid articl new cso uiuc edu euclid mrcnext cso uiuc edu euclid write aliceb tea two eng sun alic taylor write friend mine acupuncturist and danger get aid needl practition whether pre steril dispos needl reus needl steril us case conceiv aid needl case highli practition us dispos varieti illeg perform acupunctur unsteril needl licens practition dare thi not singl document case transmiss aid acupunctur needl wouldn worri robert greenstein fool cannot learn laugh think green srilanka island that laughter show superior latent idioci corelli
sci.med	diet for crohn ibd friend appar fairli minor case crohn diseas can eat food such fresh veget discomfort and avoid recurr question nutritionist special problem peopl crohn diseas suggest lipoxygnas inhibitor tea and turmer advanc john eyl jge unc edu
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infrar camera multi object spectromet hst upgrad nim infrar map spectromet galileo nir infrar nist nation institut for standard and technolog nb nldp nation launch develop program noaa nation ocean and atmospher administr noao nation optic astronomi observatori nrao nation radio astronomi observatori nro nation reconnaiss offic neutron star nsa nation secur agenc nsf nation scienc foundat nso nation solar observatori nssdc nation space scienc data center ntr nuclear thermal rocket ntt technolog telescop oao orbit astronom observatori ocst offic commerci space transport omb offic manag and budget om orbit maneuv system opf orbit process facil orfeu orbit and retriev and extrem ultraviolet spectromet osc orbit scienc corpor oscar orbit satellit carri amateur radio ossa offic space scienc and applic oss orient scintil spectromet experi cgro ota optic telescop assembl hst othb horizon backscatt otv orbit transfer vehicl orbit vehicl pam payload assist modul pam payload assist modul delta class princip investig plss portabl life support system pressur modul pmc perman man capabl pmirr pressur modul infrar radiomet mar observ pmt photomultipli tube psf point spread function psr pulsar photovolta pvo pioneer venu orbit qso quasi stellar object rci rodent cage interfac for sl mission rc reaction control system rem rat enclosur modul for sl mission radio frequenc rfi radio frequenc interfer riac research institut for advanc comput scienc rm remot manipul system rngc revis gener catalog rosat roentgen satellit rou rodent unusu size don exist rsn real rtg radioisotop thermoelectr gener rtl return launch site shuttl abort plan saa south atlant anomali saga solar arrai gain augment for hst sampex solar anomal and magnetospher particl explor sao smithsonian astrophys observatori sar search and rescu sar synthet apertur radar sara satellit pour astronomi radio amateur sarex search and rescu exercis sarex shuttl amateur radio experi sa space activ suit sa space adapt syndrom sat synthet apertur telescop spacecraft sca shuttl carrier aircraft sct schmidt cassegrain telescop sdi strateg defens initi sdio strateg defens initi organ sei space explor initi sest swedish eso submillimet telescop seti search for extraterrestri intellig sid sudden ionospher disturb sir shuttl imag radar sirtf space shuttl infrar telescop facil spacelab slar side airborn radar slc space launch complex sl space lab life scienc smc small magellan cloud sme solar mesospher explor smex small explor smm solar maximum mission supernova snr signal nois ratio snr supernova remnant snu solar neutrino unit sofia stratospher observatori for infrar astronomi soho solar heliospher observatori span space physic and analysi network spdm special purpos dextrou manipul spot system probatoir pour observ terr sp solar power satellit srb solid rocket booster srm solid rocket motor ssf space station fred freedom ssi solid state imag galileo ssi space studi institut ssme space shuttl main engin sspf space station process facil ssrm space station remot manipul system sst spectroscop survei telescop sst superson transport ssto singl stage orbit sti space telescop imag spectromet replac foc and ghr st shuttl transport system space transport system stsci space telescop scienc institut swa submillimet wave astronomi satellit swf shortwav fade tal transatlant abort land shuttl abort plan tau thousand astronom unit mission tc thermal control system tdr track and data relai satellit tdrss track and data relai satellit system te thermal emiss spectromet mar observ tiro televis infrar observ satellit tla letter acronym tom total ozon map spectromet tp thermal protect system tss tether satellit system uar upper atmospher research satellit ubm unpressur berth mechan udmh unsymmetr dimethyl hydrazin ufo unidentifi fly object ugc uppsala gener catalog uhf ultra high frequenc uit ultraviolet imag telescop astro packag ukst unit kingdom schmidt telescop usaf unit state air forc usmp unit state micrograv payload univers time gmt utc zulu time utc coordin univers time ultraviolet uv ultraviolet spectromet vab vehicl assembl build vertic assembl build vafb vandenberg air forc base veega venu earth earth graviti assist galileo flight path vhf high frequenc vla larg arrai vlba long baselin arrai vlbi long baselin interferometri vlf low frequenc vlt larg telescop vm vertic motion simul voir venu orbit imag radar supersed vrm vpf vertic process facil vrm venu radar mapper call magellan white dwarf wfpc wide field planetari camera hst wfpcii replac for wfpc wiyn wisconsin indiana yale noao telescop wsmr white sand missil rang wtr western test rang wupp wisconsin ultraviolet photopolarimt experi astro packag xmm rai multi mirror xuv extrem ultraviolet yso young stellar object usr bin perl alt acronym scrambl program larri wall threshold srand kei acro kei word split unshift word kei foreach word word word vec word foreach letter letter kei threshold egrep letter usr dict word chop 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sci.space	hlv for fred prefab space station articl gzx new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write titan launch ain cheap grant that titan bought governemnt titan iii cheapest put pound space expend launcher that case iron that poorli commerci market singl titan iii order problem commerci titan that made attempt market basic happi govern busi and don want learn sell commerci secondari problem that bit big multi satellit launch arian and that complic market task quit significantli had problem launch facil wrong time start properli memori serv pad us for mar observ launch had come heavi refurbish work that had prevent launch for year launch mar observ that strand intelsat and brother that reach orbit properli work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	space research spin articl zxa zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl ppm access digex net prb access digex pat write thought area rule pioneer boe nasa gui develop rule knew work boe built hardwar and nope decis triumph area rule convair contractu commmit mach fighter and found incap superson level flight turn into area rule met spec thi flew late and convair spent half figur wrong and second half build work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri good thing stuck coupl question mark recal built propos wasp waisetd passeng civil transport thought had funni passeng compart hand save fuel thought area rule appli even transon speed not badli pat
sci.space	orbit data need oscul element perige orbit convert prefer distanc earth evenli space time interv gsm coordin system prefer convert system pascal fortran code you can point book that great line file sma semi major axi ecc eccentr inc inclin omg ascend node pom argument pericentr tra true anomali hap apocentr height hpe pericentr height beg sma ecc inc omg pom tra hap hpe ref sma ecc inc omg pom tra hap hpe advanc larri kepko lkepko igpp ucla edu
sci.space	nuclear wast articl rin ryukoku will rin ryukoku william reiken write real reason acceler breeder inciner not built that isn reason natur uranium cheap and geolog dispos actinid technic reason novemb decemb page scienc and technolog japan seawat uranium recoveri experi ground uranium reserv estim million ton and anticip that demand and suppli balanc will collaps end centuri japan resourc poor countri technolog develop econom collect uranium dissolv seawat total quaniti uranium dissolv seawat estim billion ton huge amount compar ground uranium reserv hate pour cold water thi seawat extract uranium even improv fiber absorb japan time expens uranium spot market uranium cheap mine close can compet place cigar lake canada or rich present safeti hazard mine work shield vehicl plenti sourc for exampl uranium phosphat process come line uranium reach demand and suppli balanc will collaps nonsens suppli and demand balanc price uranium increas price factor end centuri not bloodi like nuclear reactor not built suffici rate uranium seawat interest long term project project that japanes justifi ground suffici paul dietz dietz rochest edu
sci.space	nasa di incent question and issu wrt congress rais and discuss denni repli black white white that black call white monei put into system studi find justifi call black white appar that white call black opposit occur white color white call black call into question valid color spectrum that nasa militari compet different black white rememb black and white paint saturn rocket that noth will occur black and white us congress care noth for result monei for pork barrel job brought black white controversi denni you thing black and white term tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write thi great build current spend rule don permit workabl for thi work for govern guarante minimum amount busi order suffici reduc risk make thi attract privat firm sinc gener can alloc monei year time govern can provid such tenant guarante fred read bit govern lot multi year contract penalti for cancel claus damn sign multi year contract reason aren cut defens spend reagan administr sign multi year contract that cheaper finish ssf thi year fund billion will cover penalti claus due design pat
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sci.space	vulcan not gui ear victor inqmind bison victor lake write info appar sight vulcan that that appar two sight drastic time small planet that insid mercuri orbit that info specif thi happen long star trek and appar refer for gui ear long star trek einstein fact vulcan planet insid mercuri hypothes explain perturb mercuri orbit that not explain planet einstein theori rel explain mercuri motion and analysi mercuri motion show not planet insid orbit mike
sci.space	griffin offic explor rip comment absorbt offic explor into offic space scienc and reassign griffin chief engin posit thi meaningless administr shuffl thi bode ill for sei opinion thi bad thing surfac griffin interest get thing and will innov approach get thing faster and cheaper unclear whether will thi posit duti will brian yamauchi case western reserv univers yamauchi alpha ce cwru edu depart comput engin and scienc
sci.space	fund for nasa polit scienc paper fund nasa and pork barrel polit interest inform fund practic and histori major program apollo st ssf etc and fund ssto contrast recommend sourc that you sean gallagh galla rpi edu
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station date apr gmt ralph buttigieg ralph buttigieg fido zeta org write can govern tennant privat commerci concern build space station system and charg rent govern financ research want us that thi thought industri space facil don rememb detail space servic want nasa sign anchor tenanc deal order secur ventur capit nasa didn deal hear wrong disclaim opinion state sole chang mind ben muniz munizb rwtm decnet consrt rockwel space station freedom rocketdyn rockwel structur load and dynam man will not fly for fifti year wilbur orvil wright
sci.space	long island us khz for ssf power date fri apr gmt edmund hack arabia hack write articl pgdno access digex net prb access digex pat write thought fighter plant long island northrup plant long island don northrup had plant long island two main airfram manufactur fairchild republ close door cancel and grumman hang last time call sperri start you area check cradl aviat museum mitchel field park lot nassau coliseum and commun colleg good displai vehicl long island includ lem flight articl disclaim opinion state sole chang mind ben muniz munizb rwtm decnet consrt rockwel space station freedom rocketdyn rockwel structur load and dynam man will not fly for fifti year wilbur orvil wright
sci.space	ignit ssme date sat apr gmt paul dietz dietz rochest edu write essenc hold match nozzl nut thing you absolut such engin guarante that propel ignit mix millisecond fill your engin high explos mixtur final ignit blow hell report earli test conduct rocketdyn santa susanna field lab hill san fernando and simi vallei result hung start describ structur failur combust chamber inspect pictur show pump noth below had vapor thi describ class typic engin understat disclaim opinion state sole chang mind ben muniz munizb rwtm decnet consrt rockwel space station freedom rocketdyn rockwel structur load and dynam man will not fly for fifti year wilbur orvil wright
sci.space	vulcan not gui ear articl vnci inqmind bison victor inqmind bison victor lake write victor inqmind bison victor lake subject vulcan not gui ear date sun apr cdt info appar sight vulcan that that appar two sight drastic time small planet that insid mercuri orbit that info specif heard stori albert theori rel and warp space account for mercuri orbit ran fast for simpl newtonian physic success find neptun explain odd movment uranu postul that anoth planet explain mercuri orbit bigger asteroid closer sun mercuri spot perhap profession can confirm that jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu heaven place wick ceas troubl you talk person affair and good listen attent you expound your ambros bierc devil dictionari
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit shag aero org rob unverzagt write articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write iau circular comet shoemak levi temporarili orbit jupit comet had appar made close flybi jupit result breakup comet attempt determin comet orbit complic imposs measur comet center mass miss know comet center mass for you orbit determin shag not almost sound can figur nucleu coma coupl hundr mile you can imagin rest phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	blow space station easi thi real wierd idea not peopl blown ballon sprai materi into that dry and make hard wall not thing for space station fly dock ring and baloon materi and such blow baloon spin problem micro graviti dry cure harden and cut hole for dock attach ring and bingo space station ballon foil cover someoth radiat protect cover heat shield and materi us make wal meet gase and spec atleast paint cover wall human safe special congret materi make caplet instea dof water put beer caplet mixtur mix that strong congret easier carri and such for spell error miss school todai grin musta space station difficult girder confin earth base idea let idea space not earth limit earth base idea michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack crazi nome alaska break
sci.space	supernova bout info that alleg supernova break scope for thi sir don hors dan kelo dkelo pepvax pepperdin edu
sci.space	ussr had reach moon suppos soviet had manag moon rocket work and had made beaten rocket hadn blown pad set back and saturn boom had beaten specul that head and land determin set base earth orbit and moon whether not mar depend whether soviet set lunar base stretch budget nation and that militari lunar base outweigh mar short run concentr moon jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu that thi nation commit achiev goal thi decad land man moon and return safe earth john kennedi
sci.space	portabl small ground station dir articl zgam zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write difficult set your ground station ground station for extrem amateur radio satellit sometim reachabl hand held radio noth you can your back yard will you listen galileo specif work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri specif basic thing big dadi can monitor and control shuttl such australia and such michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	space research spin shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov mari shafer write apr prb access digex pat pat articl apr aurora alaska edu pat nsmca aurora alaska edu write question can give exampl direct nasa space relat research that help human gener will interest pat tang mylar push tech pat composit for airfram fly wire swept wing you fly airlin you reap benefit didn earli jet fighter german work wwii winglet area rule digit fly wire ride smooth lot thi militari microwav land system supercrit wing gener aviat air foil weren microwav land system wwii mari shafer dod kotfr nasa dryden flight research facil edward shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov don speak for nasa mig your six mig unknown fighter pilot egad disagre mari shafer phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	griffin offic explor rip yamauchi ce cwru edu brian yamauchi write comment absorbt offic explor into offic space scienc and reassign griffin chief engin posit thi meaningless administr shuffl thi bode ill for sei opinion thi bad thing surfac griffin interest get thing and will innov approach get thing faster and cheaper unclear whether will thi posit duti will heard offhand griffin longer offic head that bad hand regress can fund griffin that mean and li hardlin billion mar mission prove that bui into mission mar that cost billion will artemi million dollar lunar orbit cetera kill griffin main program simpli sycoph had congress beleivin that simpli bui into stuff sorta not give aid yeltsin communist hardlin sort reform griffin bring forward won trap easili contain and defund ghetto that griffin stai capac good and bring can don you back os you belong and couldn even monei for design studi phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	vehicl near flight test articl zhkw zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl snap paj gec mrc paul johnson write thi bit interest automat control pure autonom degre ground control stick and rudder man onboard comput comput get order store program can overridden ground transit aerodynam flight that hover accomplish thi part tricki part idea and will end thi talk mitch burnsid clapp test pilot make orbit pop drogu chute nose light engin onc thing stabil base simpl and reliabl heavi shock load area structur that doesn carri major load door hot part structur door oper mission critic switch pitch stabil aerodynam unstabl subson speed wait for flip and catch degre light engin bit scari light engin and us thrust vector push tail prefer method long run tricki fuel feed plumb fuel will start top tank slop bottom flip keep engin properli fed will complic build speed dive pull hard lose lot speed thi thing not that great head and vertic veloc drop point start fall tail light engin bit scari and you don altitud left work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri sinc horizont not land that martian land thing miss don and such overli obviou not fall earth russian craft parachut michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack enlighten ignor easi correct make mistak and will you you mess
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station commer sound liek fed sign year leas us part space station that built and design and such commer compani consortium compani such alyeska for small amount rent return for incent and such such tax and and monopoli product commer builder perk make end easier tax contract regulatori conces and such workabl work china can leas hong kong and peopl hong kong can make monei thi work michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	terraform venu can cheapli send jame oberg email address and read thi list want send comment terraform book paul dietz dietz rochest edu potenti explos yield annual global product borax million megaton
sci.space	mach land site base superson boom hear month ago beliv san fran head east heard super speed mach aircraft militari base int direct flight that handl mach aircraft land decent odd question michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	nuclear wast articl mar mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write bit phil don reprocess nuclear fuel you reprocess plant bomb grade plutonium cheaper current price thing simpli fabric fuel rod reprocess creat potenti danger materi nation secur point view and fabric that back into fuel rod fabric reprocess plutonium result that kind boom decent bomb grade plutonium you want bomb grade plutonium us research reactor not power reactor you want bomb don us plutonium us uranium kenneth repli ken ei njit edu for thi elabor simul run devic sit tabl picard tng
sci.space	griffin offic explor rip yamauchi ce cwru edu brian yamauchi write comment absorbt offic explor into offic space scienc and reassign griffin chief engin posit thi meaningless administr shuffl thi bode ill for sei thing bode ill that legitim conjug for offic explor had great idea never monei heard good thing griffin hard want back job couldn duti will group examin freedom base space station redesign propos head michael griffin nasa cheif engin word space new thi josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu tout homm est capabl imagin autr homm seront capabl realis jule vern
sci.space	vehicl near flight test nsmca aurora alaska edu write excel discuss land techniqu henri delet sinc horizont not land that will not horizont take vertic martian land thing for reason vertic land don requir mile runwai and limit nois pollut don requir wheel wing turn engin and touch henri point vetic land aren quit that simpl miss don and such overli obviou blunt you learn not fall earth russian craft parachut soyuz vehicl us parachut for descent and fire small rocket hit ground parachut not practic you want reus effort land not comfort word georgi grechko prefer bruis not sink josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu tout homm est capabl imagin autr homm seront capabl realis jule vern
sci.space	space food stick had spacefood stick morn for breakfast and second grade chocol strawberri and peanut butter and cylind long and diamet wrap yellow space foil space foil time tast hard describ rememb fondli candi modern power bar sort toffe inject vitamin chocol power bar rough approxim tast strawberri suck man gavin helf berkelei polit scienc berkelei stanford program soviet studi ghelf violet berkelei edu
sci.space	area rule space research spin can elabor area rule gather aerodynam tran sonic plane and can summaris coke bottl good coke can bad provid detail deriv etc gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write iau circular comet shoemak levi temporarili orbit jupit comet had appar made close flybi jupit result breakup comet ooooh thought that galileo chanc check comet
sci.space	idiot articl jsc nasa gov mcelwr cnsvax uwec edu mcelwain write russia oper march russian presid bori yeltsin propos unit state and unit nation global defens shield star war type weapon funni bit disturb forg post somewhat uneth even subject notori mcelwain followup not sci space david rickel drickel sjc mentorg
sci.space	magellan venu map ron and peter for nice map advic you wrote that map reduc color understand jpeg pictur get and compress file smaller you us origin color bit data convert jpeg roland karlsson sic box kista sweden internet roland sic tel fax telex sic ttx sic
sci.space	ssf redesign constel ssf for redesign thi time step back and function want micrograv vacuum process research life scienc research adapt space spacecraft mainten nasa approach explifi shuttl and ssf central function project fail meet target wide margin militari and commerci user payload shuttl wast effort tie payload and ssf crumbl into disorgan and miscommun billion spent two project reduct launch cost and littel improv commerci space industri meanwhil militari and commerci user come superior strategi for space develop constel firstli function broken into constel optim orbit for each function gp navstar constel hour orbit comsat clark and molniya orbit etc secondli task distribut spacecraft constel provid for redund and full coverag need ssf main function requir quit environ and prime candid for constel make micrograv constel comet and mir for long durat flight shuttl spacelab for short durat flight strategi for thi area inexpens increment improv instal facil mir shuttl mir linkup and transit shuttl spacelab expens ssto spacehab comet ssto sif comet expand research program advantag interest space environ high radiat van allen belt ga plasma gradient comet tail comet system can easili retrofit for task station larg afford launch leo studi life scienc not micrograv lunar and martian graviti and radiat environ deep space protect shelter leo thi long term low prioriti project sinc astronaut will practic us space program cost come order magnitud astronaut sever restrict scope investig and sampl size propos labratsat constel tether bolo satellit that test level graviti super van allen belt orbit that repres radiat environ encount earth moon earth mar earth asteroid etc trip miniatur life support machineri oper real time earth interfac orbit mission flown follow on can act ldef lunar and martian surfac test actual environ low cost billion spent astronaut largest market for spacecraft servic clark orbit propos fleet small teleoper robot and small test satellit ground engin can practic skill onc place robot can pry stuck solar arrai and antenna attach solar batteri power pack inject fuel etc onc fleet work can spun commerci compani can work comsat compani develop comsat replac modul standard appli success constel strategi and get rid fail central strategi st and ssf radic improv capabl program greatli cut cost for fraction ssf pricetag can fix satellit satellit can studi life adapt larg repres varieti space environ and can micrograv and vacuum research inexpens and need special purpos orbit can appli constel strategi space explor greatli cut cost and increas function mar network and artemi two good exampl thi ambiti can set network nativ propel plant mar that can us fuel planet wide rover ballist hopper prospect and sampl return descend labratsat technolog can us mar surfac ldef and test close ecolog greenhous mar low cost nick szabo szabo techboook
sci.space	quaint archaism articl cmu edu nickh cmu edu nick hain write and advantag that you don shit constant hang you stupid thing and and and and and metric system problem not david rickel drickel sjc mentorg
sci.space	area rule read refer parabol cross section rule idea that you plot area fuselag cross section function point fore and aft fuselag plot that paraboloid minim somethin nother technic fred baub time intellectu ferment baub optiplan advantag intellect includ disclaim ferment pari retrospect time
sci.space	hlv for fred prefab space station articl gzx new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write titan iii cheapest launcher basi that case iron that poorli commerci market singl titan iii order problem biggest technic problem find two satellit rough orbit for luanch don show interest commerci launch monei made churn titan for govern isn dai you find sucker custom think pai time commerci rate for launch servic good idea allen allen sherzer great man noth leav aw iti org noth undon dai flight dcx
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write can govern tennant thi great build current spend rule don permit workabl that longer true last year congress ammend law provid need note that spacehab and comet fund thi problem aren legal technic problem nasa cultur allen allen sherzer great man noth leav aw iti org noth undon dai flight dcx
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sci.space	market gov failur tcl cmu edu msu edu tom write fred that gov coerciv poser for space program repli btw fred you cross border sinc you admit that idea you support can carri coerciv power that intoler yer high hors toler fred repli tommi admit that such thing market failur necessit intervent capitalist forc correct guess your understand thi market failur classifi phil econom level centuri medicin sinc you appar complet that thi market failur can easili even easili attribut govern intervent failur addit strong moral argument you propos strong utilitarian argument that gov destruct wealth confiscastori taxat and redistribut major scale made signific privat capit invest harder make note that you make such case you claim can even easili made argument can and made that current govern polici creat even larger market barrier place such term govern failur sinc govern can chang polici whenev pleas market doesn that and govern rel understood forc thi libertopican bilg moral argument taxat etc bottom simplist econom think can justifi clich deris econom libertopian invari happen tripe tommi libertopian dish clue boi and salv your wound pride not you infal fashion not interest your ego game puh lees fred thi simpli attempt insult belong privat mail ego game unimportatnt you insult and thi strang neg attatch for wherev you thi inflat idea your import insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	ussr had reach moon jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write had beaten specul that head and land determin set base earth orbit and moon whether not mar depend whether soviet set lunar base stretch budget nation and that militari lunar base outweigh mar short run concentr moon great specul rememb proud behalf free world you that you year that had almost that work that guess soviet victori and almost not fallen victim complac that overtook program perhap stretch match effort destabil sooner fact and tradit marvel comic thi destabil brezhnev era trigger world war hmm giant leap internet pete extro accept uunet mcvax munnari extro pete reject noth
sci.space	nuclear wast apr rochest edu dietz rochest edu paul dietz write articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write thi system produc energi drive acceler perhap left high power quasi sharp proton beam requir thi appear achiev linear acceler biggest question mark lead target chemistri and line process element inciner paul quit frankli that thi work typic trash process put coupl ton end and rel clean materi end run residu power sound almost perpetu motion doesn fred honest thing admit your critic scientif ground invalid pretend you talk engin feasibl you post can surpris pardon for continu discuss tug forelock dismai not consid recov energi thi process energi curv put sackcloth and ash not and not pretend pleas you not surpris noth perpetu motion note that didn perpetu motion even that sound perpetu motion phrase sound almost perpetu motion somewhat propposit you elect critic perhap beg your pardon for precis us languag physic understood energi come fission actinid subcrit assembl folk talk spallat reactor sinc puls spallat neutron sourc us todai research tool acceler design improv superconduct acceler caviti help feasibl lo alamo expertis high current acceler lampf talk will that thi process come even close approach technolog and econom feasibl mix natur trash that will run oppos cost separ thing and run for each actinid dump ton end and pull rel clean materi onc cost technolog risk etc into account class thi idea throw wast into sun and physic understood reason approach and sort burn rate you thi oppos kind energi you recov oppos cost build and power and energi recoveri talk ounc pound ton gram kilogram metric ton for you fan materi and talk dai week month year dai week month year for you fan hmmm decim time scale real reason acceler breeder inciner not built that isn reason natur uranium cheap and geolog dispos actinid technic reason insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	nuclear wast reinnonl phantom gatech edu matthew phantom gatech edu matthew deluca write articl rin ryukoku will rin ryukoku william reiken write thi pretti alot repli thi and oil earth greedi oil compani don give oil that leav high dry greedi oil compani don blame oil compani suppli demand creat you and planet run fault ignor thing organ becom significantli expens oil disappear and thing longer econom feasibl oil irreplac resourc consum suppli decreas price rise and altern becom competet that estim year reserv pretti long care petroleum current usag rate year reserv that not that last figur true tend not hard price compar cheap true hte oil crisi dai insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
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sci.space	dutch symposium compact objecten sterrenkundig symposium compact objecten april het jaar zeven jaar opricht van universiteit van utrecht benoemd universiteit haar eerst sterrenkundig waarnem hierme ontstond tweed universiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld aert jansz eerst waarnem zijn opvolg voerden utrechts sterrenkund daaropvolgend jaren decennia eeuwen naar voorhoed van het astronomisch onderzoek dit jaar het jaar geleden dat deze historisch benoem plaatsvond huidig generati utrechts sterrenkundigen studenten sterrenkund verenigd het sterrekundig instituut utrecht vieren benoem van hun oervad middel een breed scala aan feestelijk activiteiten voor scholieren een planetenproject programmeert studium general een aantal voordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema wordt di natali aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt staat echter meer stapel studenten natuur sterrenkund kunnen april aan een sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen onderwerpen van het symposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van zwaartepunten van het huidig utrechts onderzoek het onderzoek aan zogeheten compact objecten eindstadia evoluti van sterren bij samenstel van het programma getracht deelnem een aktueel breed mogelijk beeld geven van stand van zaken het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia eerst inleidend leze zal dagvoorzitt prof lamer een beknopt overzicht geven van evoluti van zware sterren waarna zeven overig spreker lezingen van telken een half uur nader specifiek evolutionair eindprodukten zullen ingaan afloop van elk leze gelegenheid tot het stellen van vragen het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt een apart vel het niveau van lezingen afgestemd tweedejaar studenten natuur sterrenkund ook ander belangstellenden zijn van hart welkom tijden leze van prof kuijper zullen al all go gaat veertien radioteleskopen van radiosterrenwacht westerbork worden ingezet een direct verbind tussen het heelal westerbork utrecht het zwakk radiosigna van een snel roterend kosmisch vuurtoren een zogeheten pulsar symposiumza door geven audiovisualiseren prof kuijper zal binnenkomend signalen elkaar snel opvolgend scherp gepiekt pulsen radiostr bespreken trachten verklaren het slagen van dit uniek experi staat valt met technisch haalbaarheid ervan vangen signalen zijn namelijk zwak dat pa een waarnemingsperiod van miljoen jaar genoeg energi opgevangen een lamp van watt een second laten branden tijden het symposium zal niet lang gewacht hoeven worden hedendaags technologi stelt on staat live het heelal beluisteren deelnam aan het symposium kost exclusief lunch inclusief lunch inschrijv geschiedt door het verschuldigd bedrag maken abn amro reken sticht ju het gironumm van abn amro bank utrecht bij inschrijv dient worden aangegeven men lid van nnv inschrijv wordt symposiummap toegestuurd bij inschrijv maart vervalt mogelijkheid een lunch reserveren het symposium vindt plaat transitorium universiteit utrecht voor meer informati het symposium kan men terecht bij henrik spoon sorbonnelaan utrecht tel mail henrik sron ruu dagprogramma ontvangst met koffi thee open prof lamer utrecht dubbelst evoluti prof lamer radiopulsar prof kuijper utrecht pulsar dubbelst systemen prof verbunt utrecht massa straal van neutronensterren prof van paradij amsterdam theori van accretieschijven dr van oss utrecht lunch hoe zien accretieschijven werkelijk uit rutten amsterdam snell fluktuati bij accreti neutronensterren zwart gaten van der kli amsterdam thee koffi zwart gaten knippen plakken met ruimt tijd prof ick leiden afsluit borrel gert jan van lochem fysisch informatica blue universiteit utrecht shape shape hhgg
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sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit articl apr den mmc seal possum den mmc eric seal write baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write iau circular comet shoemak levi temporarili orbit jupit comet had appar made close flybi jupit result breakup comet ooooh thought that galileo chanc check comet comet gehrel discov determin temporari jovian orbit comet shoemak levi remain orbit jupit long galileo make closeup observ orbit trajectori for comet shoemak levi determin ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo cynic never help pasadena correct situat and aggrav
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sci.space	space food stick articl agat berkelei edu ghelf violet berkelei edu write had spacefood stick morn for breakfast and second grade chocol strawberri and peanut butter and cylind long and diamet wrap yellow space foil space foil time wasn plain flavor look kind extrud industri product food perfectli smooth cylind perfectli smooth end kinda scari tast hard describ rememb fondli candi modern power bar sort toffe inject vitamin chocol power bar rough approxim tast strawberri suck post describ microwav tootsi roll captur textur pretti for tast candi not sweet that make sens recal like for textur not tast guess develop textur bud man obligatori eat watch captain scarlet rememb that long topic space shag rob unverzagt shag aerospac aero org tuesdai soylent green dai unverzagt courier aero org
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sci.space	space food stick articl new cso uiuc edu jelson rcnext cso uiuc edu john elson write heard food product call space food stick thi appar creat market time lunar expedit tang and dehydr food spoken peopl eaten and describ dehydr candi inform greatli appreci freez dri tootsi roll actual tast sensat noth you will willingli experi amaz thing that at second and and doubt that flew mission bad thing gastrointestin tract compar space food stick tang gastronom contribut mankind dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home god gave weather wouldn complain pyron skndiv dseg thing padi don tang flew develop contract
sci.space	push envelop apr princeton edu lije cognito princeton edu elijah millgram write friend mine and wonder express push envelop come aircraft flight constraint for speed aoa power graph defin flight envelop that aircraft name graph line enclos envelop area graph that repres condit aircraft doesn fall sky push envelop becom oper edg flight oper envelop note that envelop isn precis fli airplan region that point theoret predict thing test pilot for live push envelop find close correspond paper airplan and metal essenc push back edg theoret envelop airplan start fail fly note that thi quit calcul and care flight test gener carefulli coreograph and push and precis plan despit occasion deviat plan such earli flight high speed taxi test mari can you you want thi process and insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit comet helin roman crockett spent time temporari satellit jupit year ago you calcul tancredi lindgren and rickman astron astrophi mat lindgren mat lindgren astro astronom observatori laban box uppsala phone sweden fax
sci.space	abyss breath fluid articl grv psuvm psu edu callec dradja grv psuvm psu edu write bit nervou post thi beacaus begin strai fron topic space that doesn stop alot peopl thi talk breath high pressur began movi abyss you rememb that movi charact dove great depth wear suit that us fluid that carri oxegen oppos sort ga heard that mice can breath thi fluid for reason human unabl detail thi gregson vaux reason that lung diaphram get tire pump liquid and and simpli stop breath minut your vehicl readi not put you hold that rememb liquid time dens ga natur depend ga and liquid comparis acurist
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write suppos soviet had manag moon rocket work and had made beaten rocket hadn blown pad set back and saturn boom apollo fire harsh saturn explos hurt soviet win crush that technolog turn point for turn todai can super power reserv attitud soviet program todai kennedi war east program stall badli and goal moon dead nasa figur wrong had beaten specul that head and land determin set base earth orbit and moon whether not mar depend whether soviet set lunar base stretch budget nation and that militari lunar base outweigh mar short run concentr moon speulat that saturn program push into cost run that evil nixon win shuttl never propos and skylab never built program stall fuel crisi string small launch mark mid seventi goal man moon dead and space program drift till present dai jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu that thi nation commit achiev goal thi decad land man moon and return safe earth john kennedi
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sci.space	push envelop apr princeton edu lije cognito princeton edu elijah millgram write friend mine and wonder express push envelop come everbodi defin envelop world envelop chosen shell boundari analog envelop airship perhap shell good push shell hard and aircraft break thoma clark institut for simul and train univers central research parkwai suit orlando fax clark acm ucf edu
sci.space	cosmo eorsat date tue apr gmt inform cosmo and rocket fragment purpos launch date locat short can you toni ryan astronomi space intern magazin ocean reconnaiss launch surpris west space new april excerpt russia launch ocean reconnaiss satellit month march confound western analyst had proclaim program dead itar tass new agenc announc launch cosmo plesetsk cosmodrom provid descript payload mission base satellit trajectori western observ identifi militari spacecraft design monitor electron emiss foreign naval ship order track movement geoff perri ketter group england western observ had conclud that launch dai last such satellit enter earth atmospher cosmo launch cosmo satellit launch for defens ministri moscow itar tass world servic russian gmt march translat fbi sov itar tass correspond veronika romanenkova moscow march cosmo satellit launch moscow time todai baykonur tsiklon carrier rocket itar tass correspond told press center russia space militari forc that satellit launch interest russian defens ministri paramet moscow itar tass world servic russian gmt march translat fbi sov moscow march anoth artifici earth satellit cosmo launch march baykonur cosmodrom satellit carri scientif apparatu for continu space research satellit orbit paramet initi period revolut minut apoge perige orbit inclin degre scientif apparatu satellit carri radio system for precis measur orbit element and radiotelemetri system for transmit earth data work instrument and scientif apparatu apparatu aboard satellit work
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sci.space	space research spin tue apr gmt pgf srl cac usl edu phil fraer phil shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov mari shafer write apr prb access digex pat pat articl apr aurora alaska edu pat nsmca aurora alaska edu write question can give exampl direct nasa space relat research that help human gener will interest pat tang mylar push tech pat composit for airfram fly wire swept wing you fly airlin you reap benefit phil didn earli jet fighter phil german work wwii naca world war nasa directli descend naca space ad you notic that didn mention sweep wing even test dryden had steal that dirctli german differ that swept wing don chang angl sweep sweep wing perhap similar name caus confus swept wing sweep wing winglet area rule digit fly wire ride smooth phil lot thi militari nasa aerodynamicist propos and nasa test team demonstr richard whitcomb and jone langlei research center giant field dryden involv flight test winglet and area rule and true that us militari aircraft testb and that had avail and militari involv complet our and bail air forc interest result and support effort dryden flew digit fly wire aircraft mechnaic analog backup show you confid gener dynam decid make flybi wire success mind you avro arrow and fly wire aircraft earlier analog phil egad disagre mari shafer nasa habit acquir second hand militari aircraft and for testb can make thing kind confus hand second hand navi plane give test pilot chanc fold wing pilot edward air forc base can mari shafer dod kotfr nasa dryden flight research facil edward shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov don speak for nasa mig your six mig unknown fighter pilot
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sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write comet gehrel discov determin temporari jovian orbit comet shoemak levi remain orbit jupit long galileo make closeup observ orbit trajectori for comet shoemak levi determin posit uncertainti assum and galileo meter hga don pretti good idea imag hga work slew real time speed light delai imag toutati didn lucki guess find imag imagin will visual imag will that affect imag mission lga real tight alloc bandwidth prematur hope for answer thought throw floor pat
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