alt.atheism	bible quiz answers article healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes cheribums ark covenant god make graven image refering idols created worshipped ark covenant wasn wrodhipped and high priest enter holy holies once year day atonement not familiar knowledgeable original language word for idol and that translator used word idol graven image had original idol you wrong suggesting determine whether interpretation you offer correct dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu clam bake timmons writes fallacy atheism faith hear faq beckoning once wonderful rule deleted you correct you didn conspiracy correction hard atheism faith rule don mix apples oranges can you that extermination mongols worse stalin khan conquered people unsympathetic that atrocious stalin killed millions people loved and worshipped and atheist state can worse that will not explain this you stalin nothing name atheism whethe not atheist irrelevant grip man stalin example brought not indictment atheism another example people will kill name that fit for occasion you never implication pretty clear can respond your words not your true meaning usenet slippery medium deleted wrt burden proof hard atheism nothing prove justify that god not exist faq etc guess justifications compelling aren people flocking hard atheism not and won for will discourage people hard atheism pointing sources reliable statements hard atheism not supporting dogmatic position fool that large group people that atheists people exist proselytize fashion religion hard atheists you posting not hard second makes you defending religion recognizing hard atheism for faith never meant understand you that idea bible example allegory illustrate point and referring reader post evidence that poster stated that relied evidence for lost this thread theists arrogant deleted such and such absolutely unalterably true dogma true not prepared issue blanket statements indicting theists arrogance you wont atheists bzzt virtue your innocent pronoun you issued blanket statement will apologize qualifying original statement hard atheist place atheist you call john baptist arrogant boasted greater that christians today that arrogant guilty charged meant theists arrogant this that thought meaning clear position that claims superior another supporting evidence arrogant for your apology btw not worthy misinformed your sophisticated put theists your misinformation shines explained bake timmons iii nothing higher stronger wholesome and life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine writes bennett neil bcci adapted koran rules banking times august guy writes piece title that implies case that gregg you haven provided even title article support your contention this you support position you intend respect gregg questions and even managed include reference head firmly engaged ass your excuse this supports nothing reason that this piece another anti islamic slander job you reason anti islamic slander job apart your prejudices respect for titles for real content can this article want true can you bcci not islamic bank mere report times stating that bcci islamic banking rules gregg islam good and bcci bad bcci cannot islamic spreading slanderous propaganda discuss issue glad real discussion providing references etc provide references articles you agree you will respond references articles you agree mmm that intellectually stimulating debate doubtless that you spend your time soc culture islam special place for you kill file bobby want join you post become convinced that simply waste time and reason moslems that you hoping achieve mathew
alt.atheism	christian morality article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine writes not believer god not concerned disposition beneath provide evidence require evidence that personality this god find compelling fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you responsibility you love god and step promises for you you for doubt this dispute not givin sincere effort simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article rusnews mantis mathew mantis mathew writes mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes article ursa bear halat pooh bears jim halat writes atoms not objective aren even real scientists call atom nothing mathematical model that describes physical observable properties surroundings subjective this deserves framing atoms aren even real atoms electron microscopes atoms figments imaginations evidence that atoms real overwhelming won bother evidence moment studied cell biology that can electron microscope real laughable statement stuff deleted you thought twilight zone for moment amazes that people science backgrounds confuse models and observables even call real world jim halat article ursa bear halat panther bears jim halat writes article apr princeton edu datepper phoenix princeton edu david aaron tepper writes you liberal arts major weren tcha guess you never that photo smallest logo world ibm made noble gas atoms krypton xenon forget specifics atoms trees electrons independently observable and verifiable morals aren difference for record not that kind information likely affect your thinking msee focus electromagnetics penn photo smallest logo world not atom make observed can measure that matches mathematical model call atom had predicted that particle model and wave model for light atomic model mathematical representation physical phenomena model that can and will continue change time that makes subjective model that model objective talk physical world put another quantum mechanical model atom for discussion atom that will give repeatable and unambiguous results objective bohr and einstein duked mid century interpretation reapeatable observable measurements quite subjective bohr that observable randomness atomic motion inherent nature universe einstein particle motion deterministic measurement shortcomings that introduced randomness talking exact results jim halat
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons writes lies hypocrisy dude atheism takes faith theism admit people takes faith atheist faith kind faith that great invisible pink unicorn not exist kind faith that santa claus not exist and for people suppose isn big leap faith that things and god exist suppose depends your notion and definition faith not believing god means doesn deal extra baggage that comes this leaves person feeling wonderfully free beaten head for years agree that religion and belief important psychological healer for people and for that reason important force psychological fantasy don mean that bad that isn interested extremely rude believed santa claus and that belief santa wonderful things for life making person allowing live guilt etc and you santa cuz for you call men white coats you phone bake timmons iii nanci babbling you and author this quote send email andrew cmu edu spring nature party
alt.atheism	southern baptist convention freemasonry southern baptist convention convening this june charges that freemasonry incompatible christianity thought quotes james holly anti masonic flag carrier amuse you passages exact quotes southern baptist convention and freemasonry james holly president mission and ministry men inc beaumont inside cover book states mission ministry men inc hereby grants permission for reproduction part this booklet two provisions material not changed and two source identified provisions freemasonry allies devil page issue not moderate conservative issue god and devil page worthwhile remember that formulators public school education america freemasons page jesus christ never commanded toleration motive for disciples and toleration antithesis christian message page central dynamic freemason drive for world unity fraternity liberty and equality toleration this writings great writers freemasonry page jesus christ established sectarian faiths page for narrowness and sectarianism equal lord jesus christ page interest toleration and cousins liberty equality and fraternity subtlest lies father lies page southern baptist convention churches founded lodge and corner stones dedicated lodge each churches hold public ceremonies repentance and praying blood and name lord jesus christ church and renouncing oaths dedication church and building page tony
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics article madhausc rfqo netcom madhaus netcom maddi hausmann writes clam bake timmons bill shit stirrer connor gotta disagree you this maddi not resemblence bill nickname prefer half bake timmons bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	requests article healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes bob you wanting excuse convert christianity you gonna damn and hopes bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	thoughts christians article sandvik sandvik kent apple sandvik newton apple kent sandvik writes you can physical problems passive christianity unlike smoking not that hard avoid christianity today ignore keith err kent whadda you mean you didn smiley bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	shit shoveler amusing atheists and article qvn pinnj shelley washington edu jimh carson washington edu james hogan writes bill conners and bobbys post felt that passive aggressive knock that chip shoulder type approach meant that attempts reasoned argument wasted that primitive responses teasing bronx cheers sarcasm somewhat satisfying apologies thinks bobby performance artist feed pointless circular round hominem name calling witness precisely position newbie point point approach debate types wasted time and lifespan ignoring not option since don and leave large stretches complete anonymity this group left healthy flaming occassion appeared caustic boob bobby types waste breath arguing rational process involves excretory system and stand record recognizing people long rest group this timmons character store for bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak writes article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine writes not believer god not concerned disposition beneath provide evidence require evidence that personality this god find compelling fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you don expect love don even exist secondly wouldn expect love simply creator expect earn that love responsibility you love god and step promises for you you for you daft love don exists come back you learned love your testicle doubt this dispute not givin sincere effort simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don point you stepped line and become complete asshole even your offense won slip becuase heard goddamned times you love jesus deep your heart you cannibalistic necrophiliac and qualified assess your motivations you fortunately things accept evidence faith that christians quit fucking arrogant will never peace you made that bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	theism and fanatism islamic genocide article dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau writes article horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism correlation not causation and belief that absolutes exist not thing belief absolutes belief shortest route thurles clonmel thing knowledge irish roadsystem correlation not necessarily causation you noticed conclude that correlation religion and fanatism based common features religious belief for long quotes dont cut huh you barking mad theism not strongly correlated fanaticism you you find stronger correlations you interested truth you bigot theism correlated fanaticism that fanatism caused theism that theism leads fanatism point theism increases chance fanatic argue that fanatics tend theism for example loook times history theism dominant ideology invalidate that conclusion that that basic mechanism imo influence stalin for that matter ayn rand invalidates your assumption that theism factor considered gullibility blind obedience authority lack scepticism and reliable indicators and dangerous people sources fanaticism things cynical manipulators gullible precisely brands theism and precisely theists tend fanaticism grant you tar theists this brush bigotry not reasoned argument and reads warm for censorship and restriction religious freedom read animal farm define irrational belief rational that reason irrational belief belief that not based reason discussed for long time charley wingate point that beliefs violate reason and another that process that not lend rational analysis not reliable information glaring paradox argument that reason based reason circular and argument not based reason irrational part second statement contains information you don beliefs beliefs strong theism and strong atheism your statement not general true second part your sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum not lend rational analysis assumed reliable information process used obtain compared evidence theists for claims strength demands makes thing not irrational antirational can agree this you specific theism that theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect you not affinity fanatism easily true nothing work hypothesis beliefs work hypothesis don understand this can you formalise your argument frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	you will hell decay cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz writes article portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller writes jsn psuvm psu edu writes you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation you mean prepared surrounded thumpers proven hellish and not even dead prepared big beach umbrellas gel pack ice things big coleman cooler loaded miller draft miller draft sue pair balance sneakers sony watchman and couple cartons bonton cheddar cheese popcorn stuff deleted you ton weapons and ammunition followers and hole kind compound and wait for alan deguzman calvin smart almost scary guess calculus mathematica child progeny disclaimer university can afford opinions hobbes children
alt.atheism	you will hell article portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller writes jsn psuvm psu edu writes you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation you mean prepared surrounded thumpers proven hellish and not even dead prepared big beach umbrellas gel pack ice things big coleman cooler loaded miller draft miller draft sue pair balance sneakers sony watchman and couple cartons bonton cheddar cheese popcorn haven decided wear wear eternal damnation dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	shit shoveler amusing atheists and article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons writes james hogan writes fine sentiments post jim assumed attack hominem sarcastic innuendo shit shoveled conveniently forgets this and whines boredom hominem sarcastic innuendo absolutely forgotten bored not not confuse life life can overcome urge tease taunt folks bound faq such chip shoulder listen you belonged church patience questioned your posting line line content basis hard impact that had compared shovelling fact interested ending thread wouldn posted last shit shoveled lamented that initial satisfactions past point circular abuse heaping that bake timmons iii nothing higher stronger wholesome and life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky sincere questions you you for jim
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior qvh tinnsg citation ksu ksu edu yohan citation ksu ksu edu jonathan newton writes article qgm news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes question for basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides that important this doesn want kill you can that decide society this fairly obvious not society mandates society disagree mandates societal mandates make standard for morality define acceptable generally feel idiotic policy can basis admit tied loosely feeling that intuitively things wrong hard defend legal moral position thinking for ourselves agree actions legal not make moral mac michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu taxes and spending cuts billion dollar deficits michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior guess delving into religious language area exactly morality morals never thought eating meat moral immoral differentiate not personal choice preference and not immoral fall basis morals consensus positions fall makes you brought societally mandated control time makes mac michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak writes not believer god not concerned disposition beneath provide evidence require evidence that personality this god find compelling fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you not difference believing that god exists and loving for instance satan believes god exists not love unbelievers request situations this that god provide evidence compelling exists not compel love day christmas truelove served leftover turkey second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole that made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and tlu gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu
alt.atheism	gulf war and peace niks article apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw writes hawaii liberated spain you you hit this hawaii independent country coup americans led request annex refused eventually annex years spanish american war day christmas truelove served leftover turkey second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole that made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and tlu gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak writes fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you bullshit not delusions and wishful thinking not option loving obeying that reason responsibility you love god and step promises for you you for doubt this dispute not givin sincere effort bullshit assure you misguided youth made sincere effort painful rational person raised christian home story you choose not experience contradicts your smug theories bill mayne
alt.atheism	societal basis for morality apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes reply cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb morals come societally accepted follow that expect follow notion societally mandated morality pardon extremism couldn murder your brother and that exercising rights felt good didn want forcing morality don follow your morality that morality subjective each person entitled moral attitudes mine not priori correct elses this not mean that judge another basis moral standards entitled moral sense tells rest society entitled pass laws spelling punishments for behavior that offensive majority makes can force morality can want decide disagree criminals not behavior moral realize that immoral and not care not moral system immoral good point immoral opinion don choose make decision that actions wrong for for lay claim alternative moral system sincere belief and internally consistent sociopaths lack innate moral sense admit lean idea innate moral sense basis for can such concept extended and incapable behaving morally hitler believed that actions moral judge immoral standards you mean that wrong for such thing not behaving morally eyes and chose basis condemn societies buzz words idea that actions wrong for humans societies holding that morality subjective not mean that excuse murderer not objective suddenly david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell mac michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	nicknames article dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau writes ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu scott sauyet writes scott can hear sauyet ssauyet eagel wesleyan edu you speak can hear you sole intention learning fly
alt.atheism	free moral agency article pxqs darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes dean kaflowitz decay cbnewsj att wrote interested original notion you discussing moral free agency that can god punish person for not believing that person nature and not for that person deny reason tells that god dean you letting atheist mythology great start realize immediately that you not interested discussion and thump your babble prefer answer healy reasonable and reasoned approach things aren you creationist guy made lot silly statements evolution time ago confuse you issue divine justice fundamental doctrines christianity man sinned that time entire human race and punishment meted necessarily affect entire race sole representive humans coming race species share that judgement nothing deserves perspective god humanity category created things and that category condemned duh gee talking christian mythology hoping discuss reasonable logical person you for your side repetition boring mythology thousand times deleting rest your remarks spot that approaches answer repetition uninteresting doctrine and thought congratulate you bill you wouldn logical argument bit you balls such persistent lack function face repeated attempts assist you learning this forum and past speaks talent that meager abilities don that capacity for ignoring influences dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	morality constant biblical rape last response this thread fell into bit bucket and vanished appearing locally repost since feel slighted appears ignore postings conversational thread don want rob since this dated don feel compelled respond article apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom writes making two separate points attack face bible interpretation judge bible today you judge based used today that commentators rabbis teach etc suspect you meant this context jewish tradition you referring problem highly interpreted tradition this happens schism occurs and time large and influential branches heretical group come favor exactly face interpretation judge bible originally written you read context time not today assumptions and compare practices surrounding people context time important judgments ultimately current understanding base standard relative stability success society this true comparing practices surrounding people for instance bible surrounding people immoral savages repulsive and inhuman habits peoples for instance worship single god presence symbolically strongest tent temple multiple gods presence symbolically represented statue bible terms idolatry inherently evil evidence that followers religions area and time bad people relative people bible scissors and cloth past ancestors cut cloth scissors knew that inhumane neighbors cut bare teeth this relatively enlightened step forward earlier barbarism and made transition modern civilized paper cutting that easier sounds good presupposes teeth rending neighbors support for can argue that post facto assertion inhumane neighbors can used make moral points that doesn mean that actual neighbors inhuman point such dehumanization people across river mountain even people dwelling common that complex and benign moral traditions evolved based mythic interpretations that history interesting don fair that long tradition interpretation and use attack condemnation original history note that speaking historical interpretation for instance claiming that hammurabi eye for eye primitive brutal retribution moses version enlightened benign fine tradition since interpreted phrase that years ago meant thing arguing parochial perspective belong this tiny tribe struggled overwhelming odds for survival distinct tribe and this book book tribe book commands dedicate ourselves study improve world and set example light nations revered book and successful scientists artists and musicians leaders important humanitarian hard for separate success people virtue book you argue that significantly book book that another tribe book book significantly don belittle accomplishments intellectual jewish people analogy since don tribe that similar closest can romany don make meaningful comparison tradition reflective study flexible dogmatic interpretation good thing that such attitude case made that you starting captain america comic babylonian equivalent jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	satanic verses once this posting delayed for week falling software cracks article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes promised rafiq zakaria discussion nature called satanic verses rushdie title rafiq zakaria muhammad and quran penguin follows introduction controversial incident and apologetic explanation purporting show couldn happened historicity episode doesn matter follows don whether quoting gregg zakaria below back current affairs rushdie admission drawn version orientalist watt this incident not rushdie watt dug story myth you will umar khan muslim school boy and girl and rushdie and gibreel farishta and allowed imagination run wild this writing fiction rushdie writing crisis faith and chose this myth present placing actor gibreel role angel name rushdie not writing history theology book and claims implies that this happened somewhat stories woven relationship jesus and reformed prostitute mary magdalene another myth referring arthurian mythos grail legend wandering jew dozens you can stand read work blasphemer salman rushdie children book haroun and sea stories for idea storyteller specific storyteller works existing story lines ridicule muhammad integrity muhammad mahound integrity not impugned this part story and reason this rushdie intent gibreel archangel produces verses divine and satanic doesn provenance not implied straight reading that muhammad influences not voice never such words classy speaker never never will this isn voice voice mahound eyes open wide kind vision staring that gibreel remembers lips moving moved don can nevertheless coming mouth throat past teeth words god postman fun yaar butbutbut god isn this picture god postman ambiguous mahound manipulating gibreel satan answer not question raised this explores faith and role revelation religion things addressing loss faith implicitly raises questions truth revelation this proposes answers not directly existence newsgroup named alt atheism raises questions forcefully and propose answers real relevance rushdie mild fictional exploration filth and lies and asked for fatwa list that rhetorical question jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	apostles tortured another article that fell cracks article qiu innpq srvr engin umich edu ingles engin umich edu ray ingles writes evidence for resurrection claimed that disciples tortured death for beliefs and not renounce claim that jesus had come back dead skimmed acts and such and found reference this happening stephen this apparently widely held belief come evidence bible evidence bible haven found briefly widespread folklore good documentary evidence even solid rumor deaths apostles usual context such arguments you observe martyrs for lie willingness people die recant evidence for truth belief this adds quite stronger twist that proposed martyrs offered chance life recanting since don even died don this information even case stephen not clear that saved recanting willingness true believers die for belief jesus jim jones documented martyrdom and kings for biblical account martyrdom priests baal jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic verses another rescued bit bucket years furor this book discussed and net generally discussion comes contention hand that tsv contains such blood libel islam merit not death banning and sort punishment and that rushdie muslim western country had write and publish chose whether muslims find offensive fear persecution death naturally inclined position find interesting position this fine book incidentally concerned islam and damned can find malevolently offensive years made this point primarily muslim posters responded that read book and had called such things filth and lies rank rushdie book hitler mein kempf worse and comments generalities and attempts follow requesting explanations for specifically offensive met stony silence generalizations inaccurate context references book lead that read corrections and attempts discuss text context since this line discussion rest readership read this book your thoughts jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	morality constant biblical rape this response originally fell into bit bucket reposting bill doesn ignoring article jxd darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes jim perry perry dsinc wrote stuff biblical morality bill quote had bill busy and getting this apparently you fundamental confusions atheism addressed famous faq your generalisms misplaced atheism needn imply materialism lack absolute moral system tend materialism and don absolute morality answer your questions can atheist judge atheist judges that theist personal understanding morality that don absolute doesn mean that don explicit line postings you that express judgment moral issue basing judgment code claiming that absolute sense good bad moral code not that christians muslims atheists that object genocide not expressing line society holds your morality exists and form answer mechanistic your taste that moral code prerequisite for functioning society and that humanity evolved morality part evolution ability exist large societies thereby achieving considerable survival advantages you that god made rules can convince share common understanding moral issues you you your religion and you early childhood teaching that you don god told people nothing god god commands that electrical event your nervous system that created emotional state that your mind coupled pre existing thought set form that reaction you reading wrong sort comic books prying gobbledygook basically agree you that mental reactions stimuli such god commanded genocide canaanites mechanistic that true you reaction whether god exists even whether god existed commanded genocide not good supposedly attribute god this you excluded discussion values wrong goood evil etc and cannot participate your opinion bible can weight whatsoever hmm heavy faq reading you good place discussing values etc person fact can accomplish such discussion framing questions terms reason for instance clear that environment neighboring tribes periodically attempt wipe each based imagined divine commands quality life will generally poor system that fosters coexistence superior quality life agreed goal absolutist hand can thump portions bible happen agree and this good even act question unequivocally bad standards discussion attempt define group people excluded discussion such that cannot participate and opinions weight whatsoever lowest form reasoning hominem poisoning and resort can rationally defend ideas wrong and bible jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	origins bible article apr nott eczcaw mips nott wainwright writes argument origins bible theist acquaintance stated that thousands bibles discovered point time syllable perfect this meant that copy time time quoted acquaintace approximately years death jesus you can your friend that publisher warehouse time and thousands copies joy cooking and syllable perfect since sold and become follower joy cooking incident mentioned convinced once and for that joy cooking inspired god and true path glory dean kaflowitz sauce you
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics article qsum inng shelley washington edu jimh carson washington edu james hogan writes you missed point alt atheism for instance exponent based anagram fully extended translates dig tunnels deep store grain prepare for coming struggle you doubt recognize this quote chairman mao you admit that atheists lot sleeve you suspected agnostics will gulag mao atheist order put red book that green jim god dead and actor plays part sting words fear will find place your heart history voice reason faith curse will teach freedom past things can worse nothing
alt.atheism	christian morality dan schaertel dps nasa kodak wrote since this alt atheism hope you don mind strongly disagree fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you responsibility you love god and step promises for you you for knock and opened you dan didn this work firmly believed god for years eventually realised deluding fearful face truth ultimately reason believing fear hell mental states had sillily attributed divine forces devil attempts destroy faith nothing imagination and easy achieve mental states will faith learned fear disguise doubt this dispute not givin sincere effort god demanding dan believed for years sincere effort equivalent active suspension disbelief case quit god not faith can concerned god morality and mental health want revelations guidance can feel created didn make task easier supposed love refuses communicate point eternal torture for can love god loves seduce simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you your argument type you once you atheists sincerely and believed for years eventually honest admit that had lived virtual reality reason can use don spiritual means christians refer conscience disagrees bible don even soul fully dependent body this body flames identity god can entertain copies learn you accept that you don this mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don this not prefer learn unwise swallow you read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn helped daily problems you accept this since you can whether true not note that gipu omnipotent omnipresent and loves and guiding writer this planet you and and not people write legendary stories years ago your god aspect and presence petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game
alt.atheism	gulf war selling arms article rusnews mantis mathew mathew mantis writes mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes parallel thread definitions bombs etc deleted aaaahhh innocents killed concentration camps hmm scheduled enter concentration camps had not shut captured allies hmm civilians died that war matter you civilians die proper don sell bastard arms and information place ruthlessly hunt positions power mathew agree this crux your position isn that shouldn supported hussein and sold arms fight iran agree and agree ruthlessly hunting sell arms hussein and deal invades kuwait sit back and sold arms suppose use bad for kuwait sitting back and letting things not correct mistake destroying hussein military potential move agree your statement reagan and bush made grave error judgment sell arms hussein not gulf war you abhor and west shortsightedness selling arms hussein ultimately made war inevitable agree deleted mathew regards jim
alt.atheism	studies book mormon that transcedental temptation paul kurtz good section origins mormonism you want scott
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons writes timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons subject amusing atheists and agnostics date apr gmt big deletions atheists show poor understanding human nature people sympathize shake heads disbelief such childish ranting another string idiotic generalizations gad surprised this post guess names crt phil trodwell this space happy ram goddam volt cattle for rent prod into that tub you not cheap this radio hunter thompson
alt.atheism	 perhaps prophetic that week appears and can claim active timer news software gets bit rot and ships outgoing articles into deep hole repost article innf senator bedfellow mit edu tcbruno athena mit edu tom bruno writes brings point posting people alt atheism since damnedest stay top newsgroup you fall you fall days you don fall last monday admittedly long weekend had messages days hiatus changing jobs last fall since deluge inquiring minds want track infamous posters alt atheism end once leave newsgroup curious guess hell norway rubber room funny farm seminary not jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	strong weak atheism that faq modified define strong atheists not assert nonexistence god assert that nonexistence god thread this earlier didn outcome adam nickname cooper adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws
alt.atheism	faith and dogma article apr edt neat toronto edu tgk toronto edu todd kelley writes light happened waco chest sadly understandable faith and dogma dangerous religion inherently encourages implementation faith and dogma and for that reason scorn religion fair you qualify this semitic western religions you basically ahead and this expressed this notion past christians debated whether christianity leaves room for reasoning claimed rationality quelled christianity faith and dogma this evaluated personal level for example jesus and didn that things and seemingly billions and billions christian sects arisen perhaps that totally dedicated rationalism and believes christ pantheism bible amazing people come guise personal interpretation philosopher cannot christian philosopher can change mind christian cannot due nature faith and dogma present religion this good point quintessential christian sets system values beliefs for work and event experience understandable and deablable framework this system individual inability not difficulty change important problem such system system cannot open minded point testing hypotheses basic premise system destroying faith invested tests fail words fairer test and evaluate moralities bias responsibility losing retaining system claimed that christian philosopher not christian person beliefs moment correspond christianity that person visiting guarding prison not prisoner you define prisoner simply prison can define prisoner moment prison can define christian moment christian beliefs person free not prisoner similarly person not constrained faith and dogma not christian interesting basically boil individual nuances not will admit and mass oriented divisions appalling becomes irrelevant admit word game dictionary definition religion religion concern exists visible world differentiated philosophy that operates faith intuition reason webster word game don claim that religion genocide that humans atheist genocide will humans don will humans don real difference and people colored skin language beliefs granted religion gun that doesn kill religion encourages faith and dogma and doesn directly condemn people encourages use thinking thinking that kills people case people become bullets and religion gun offers adequately harm bold extend your similie religion good qualities encourages benevolence and philanthropy bad things faith dogma and tradition put good things careful reasoning and science result secular humanism wouldn nice secular humanist supernaturalists you even leave god secular emphasis supernaturalists start thinking and realize that belief god doesn put ahead understanding universe poking fun supernaturalists understandable not humans capable thought and genocide and even mass suicide not willing bet that todd todd kelley tgk toronto edu department computer science university toronto regards adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article mvo blaze jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu ken arromdee writes article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes reading this group benefit knowing deviant view articulated not true view khomeini basic principles islam point view atheist you claim khomeini wasn practicing true islam that you member group supposed you two true muslim this good point made clear claim that khomeini advocates views contradition qur and arguments for this this that can checked sufficiently interested khomeini dead can respond another poster supports khomeini responded obfuscationist sophistry this quite clear atheists susceptible religionist modes obfuscationism answer your question you can judge learning islam that reading qur and understanding basic principles once this relatively easy principles islam and acting odds islam khomeini attributing superhuman status twelve muslim historical leaders variance basic principles islam that human metaphysically human and sense closer god metaphysical nature gregg
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine writes article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes this supports nothing reason that this piece another anti islamic slander job respect for titles for real content can this article want true can you bcci not islamic bank spending time responding propaganda responding this sub thread don feel deep make statements effect that propaganda false discuss issue glad real discussion providing references etc you admit that this thorough argument supporting proposition your propganda hope you can not find this argument compelling you want refute point poster replying quite busy and don time respond full scholarly form accusation that flippantly made antagonistic and you considered that perhaps people that not spreading propaganda considered spreads falsehoods ignorance spreading falsehoods falsehoods generally not come produced people that not truth such spreading falsehoods propaganda level not position since nothing situation that not estimation qualify head ass bob never accused you your head your ass takes quite time dealing accusing head ass accusing original poster benedikt impaired cheers gregg
alt.atheism	apostles tortured willingness true believers die for belief jesus jim jones documented martyrdom and depth belief religion deluded believers and con men difference will follow beliefs hand even second hand knowledge original apostles died began myth hopes exploiting for profit and that myth death that inconsistent real con men bail obvious lead discomfort pain and death story kings prophets baal this debate can easily assume that believed that overwhelming vindication elijah forthcoming simply fool shown fire heaven swift and seizure and deaths equally swift
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article unix portal danb shell portal dan babcock writes article mvo blaze jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu ken arromdee writes article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes reading this group benefit knowing deviant view articulated not true view khomeini basic principles islam point view atheist you claim khomeini wasn practicing true islam that you member group supposed you two true muslim easy read koran koran perfect possibility disagreement smilies this isn supposed post hand suppose motivation apparently idea poke fun religion sort reasoning argument this statement worthless presuming qur perfect religious text that plenty room for disagreement implications for issues essentials responded question judgment made two people fact disagree islam doesn presume qur sufficient clarity for important disputes basic principles islam this constitutes claim that two people disagreements issues relevant islam gregg
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior article qgm news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb subject societally acceptable behavior date mon apr gmt question for basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior society define acceptable legal moral position mac wow you thinking this interesting question that recently move society classify previously socially unacceptable legal activities past two coexisting methods social control and explicit legal control that set actions define illegal and specifically defined set punishments secondly and somewhat hidden social control actions considered socially unacceptable and not covered legal control scrictly controled social censure ideally socialization working legal control needed since people voluntarilly control actions due pressure social censure control manifests day day life guilt and morality heard and fully that weren for vast majority people policing legal control absolutely impossible last years move attempt dissengage individual societal control ain illegal don pick not this wrong that byproduct society high education level high exposure alternative ideas popular media high level institutionalized individual rights and oriented culture guess that state transition western world that ideas can can people based personal squeamishness fully bent maximizing individual freedoms max long freedoms don impinge another imho society persue two mutually exclusive ends and persue individual rights satisfy territoriality and dominance instincts removal socialized inherent fears based ignorance will result continued destabilization society quick fix idea can ourselves this mess never consent roll back personal freedoms order stabilize society development societies follow darwinian process selects for stability can find social model maximizes indiv freed stable perhaps live stable society comments answer question don want phil trodwell this space happy ram goddam volt cattle for rent prod into that tub you not cheap this radio hunter thompson
alt.atheism	gulf war death penalty political atheists article rusnews mantis mathew mathew mantis writes don sell bastard arms and information place ruthlessly hunt positions power looked back this and asked questions people and information had claimed and you pooh poohed not sold iraq arms navy made ussr vessels airforce not including stuff captured kuwait not doesn include equipment missiles tanks almost soviet french tanks older stuff iraqi arsenal not sold iraq iraq captured countries kuwait information hard prove you claiming that sold information prove build iraq gave fairly conclusive evidence that didn sell arms iraq information hard prove almost sell information that fact classified and you can prove you can provide evidence that sold arms valuable intelligence iraq interested not you make claims based mccullou whipple wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic article innknk bozo dsinc perry dsinc jim perry writes since this line discussion rest readership read this book your thoughts read found wonderful for reason flames reminded hemingway carl orff and van gogh not once geoff arnold nfs architect sun select geoff arnold east sun made thing great lie guys two thousand years ago wine tear garden
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality reply frank frank dwyer problem for objectivist determine status moral truths and method can established accept that such judgements not reports relate naturalistic fallacy cannot proved facts nature world this can avoided two ways leaving good undefined since claims that not lying touch humanity undeserving reply good undefined undefinable you require that innately you back subjectivism defining good solely terms evaluative terms ditto evaluative statement implies judgement part person making this point objectivist talk evident truths pretty perceptive that prof flew can deny subjectivist claim that evidence mind beholder denying that subject object true dichotomy explain this helps don your argument not left claim that moral judgements true nothing moral judgements true this thing that commonly referred nihilism entails that science irrepective fact that people find arrives relativism subjectivism this argument beats this makes sense flew arguing that this objectivist winds not subjectivist nihilists believed nothing science materialism revolution and people subjectivist feel that that remains that moral judgements associate hold moral opinion suggests not true preferences human activity and preferences include terrorism that moral opinion not true likewise preferences include noterrorism that moral opinion not true choose set preferences include terrorisim includes noterrorism reason this patently absurd and not position subjectivist pointed you ditch strawman and reply mike cobb root message thread societal basis for morality david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell
alt.atheism	risen reply kmr cwru edu keith ryan lord and savior david keresh risen alive spread word jeez can straight told wait for days god david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell
alt.atheism	college atheists read article poll students ivy league schools reported that students indentified atheists this lot higher general population reasons for this discrepancy intelligent younger this wave future david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics reply timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons kind ignorance demonstrated post this newsgroup for instance generalizations christianity popular newsgroup you reading anti christian posts virtually response christian posting you will burn hell kind drivel soft atheist courtesy faq even bible that repeatedly warns false prophets preaching name god bake transparently obvious that you theist pretending atheist you you clever this time possibilities creator and eternity carry emotional power dismiss basis this line you dismissed you atheist religion hard atheism faith words you didn read faq david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell
alt.atheism	shit shoveler amusing atheists and reply jimh carson washington edu james hogan prediliction shit shoveling latest you atheists arrival shows ignore bills bobbys bakes engage reasonable discourse flame fests entertaining threads tugs war folks bobby grown time view that for entertainment longer entertaining into kill file david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics timmbake mcl ucsb edu half bake timmons writes maddi whirr click whirr frank dwyer contained that shell pop stack determine whirr click whirr killfile keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer maddi mad sound geek hausmann named killfile keith nickname maddi never post hausmann and don you dare forget half nothing higher stronger wholesome and life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky you quote ivan karamazov atheist maddi hausmann madhaus netcom centigram communications corp san jose california kids don this home remember post professionally
alt.atheism	death penalty political athei date tue apr mathew mathew mantis great film called manufacturing consent noam chomsky and media canadian film berlin film festival this year you chance and can recommend books read thinking ordering book reviewer claimed good introduction political activism dig title mathew chomsky reader edited james peck published pantheon
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics date apr gmt bake timmons timmbake mcl ucsb edu remember koresh dried for your sins and pass that beef jerky umm umm wasn can rely you posted cook
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes question for basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior society society collection individuals will fall defined rules terms decisions sets peoples represented considered part that society federal laws provided representatives purely citizens society for that case citizens and define acceptable acceptable behaviours legislated for society representatives that society behaviours verbally and effect consciously such picking your nose oprah winfrey show explicit law cases definition whether not behaviour acceptable can deduce behaviours observation legal moral position increasingly litigation mad society this trap exceedingly difficult avoid infusion and strengthening ethnic cultures american and australian bring local perspective culture boundaries acceptable behaviour widening and legislation eventually become definition moral behaviour for instance cultures dominant religion call for live sacrifice domesticated animals fundamental christians find this practice abhorrent moral multicultural american society this kind problem definable legislation society will differences opinion acceptable behaviour not and this will due environmental circumstances opinions thing for universal moral code will suit cultures situations globally accepted mores can agreed and instantiated globally enforcable concept majority mores will not common peoples this earth living similar environment that happens jeff nonickname clark
alt.atheism	you will hell article apr nuscc nus cmtan iss nus tan chade meng dan writes cmtan iss nus tan chade meng dan subject you will hell date tue apr gmt article jsn psuvm psu edu jsn psuvm psu edu writes you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation arrgg another another letter big guy dear god back heaven leave rational intelligent people alone love meng unenlightened tan chade meng light end tunnel singapore cmtan iss nus coming train meng prayer dear god save world likes tammy
alt.atheism	you will hell article cbnewsj att decay cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz writes decay cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz subject you will hell date tue apr gmt article portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller writes jsn psuvm psu edu writes you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation you mean prepared surrounded thumpers proven hellish and not even dead prepared big beach umbrellas gel pack ice things big coleman cooler loaded miller draft miller draft sue pair balance sneakers sony watchman and couple cartons bonton cheddar cheese popcorn haven decided wear wear eternal damnation dean kaflowitz you wear your nicest boxer shorts and bring plenty spf sunscreen grab bathing suit towerl and veggie hotdogs and can bonfire cookout that sound good you dean poster invited tammy trim healy
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long jbrown batman bmd trw fact that situations existed that prompted and allied action back water country back water country wouldn intervene not that don care can world policman coup had occured kuwait invasion wouldn acted not imminent danger perceived saudi arabia combination two unprovoked invasion genocidal tyrant and potential danger west oil interests caused action indications that place had saddam wanting planning into saudi arabia this openly stated pentagon analysts pull jbrown batman bmd trw not setting strawman you want argue war logical alternative hussein kuwait diplomatic alternatives including sanctions ineffective reports mid east countries showed that hussein ready make concessions due sanctions didn want wanted crush battle test high tech toys built years jbrown batman bmd trw not saviors world can police each and country that decides destruct invade another strategic position relief tibet east timor places hypocrites magnitude don give shit freedom and democracy care oil and excuse that soviets board sizable military presence gulf region care make bets troops will come home basically saddam killer tortured people used gas and horrors brutal dictator brutal dictator once fuck you hitler for noriega bastard bastard changed mind and had rid david hunt graduate slave mind mechanical engineering ideas opinions palestinian and carnegie mellon university use golden rule jewish homeland email bluelobster cmu edu working piled higher and deeper will great day scientists and engineers money and religions beg for money pay priest
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes qvh tinnsg citation ksu ksu edu yohan citation ksu ksu edu jonathan newton writes article qgm news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes question for basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides that important this doesn want kill you can that decide exactly this dissapointing answer interplay two personal ethos and societal morality person generated learned set beliefs expressed purely mental verbal level and don find expression society impure not sense bad state sometimes this society this fairly obvious not society mandates society disagree mandates societal mandates make standard for morality feels oneself part society real sense use obvious example political society and racial society and gender society and sometimes not agree issue define acceptable generally feel idiotic policy can basis admit tied loosely feeling that intuitively things wrong hard defend perhaps infamous you want long doesn hurt problem this that you can not morality that doesn propound specifically preferred behaviours legal moral position thinking for ourselves agree actions legal not make moral add hearty two actions moral not make legal doesn impression mac michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu taxes and spending cuts billion dollar deficits michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu can explain chesterton regards adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes guess delving into religious language area exactly morality morals hope not subject this you spiral morality morality morals labels don make arguments solid measuring stick actions can interpreted even this moral for example thing for ensure that will eat and drink actions weighed this statement helps this goal moral not immoral this leads such blank space ways fulfill goal hyper morality apply methods never thought eating meat moral immoral differentiate not personal choice preference and not immoral fall basis morals moral immoral stop long hand gut reaction perhaps discriminate morals don instinctively thing vegetarianism instinctively feel torture wrong thought long and listened arguments perhaps reason that wrong that difference consensus positions fall makes you brought societally mandated control time makes mac michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu can explain chesterton regards adam adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws
alt.atheism	societal basis for morality article sad news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes reply cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb morals come societally accepted follow that expect follow notion societally mandated morality pardon extremism couldn murder your brother and that exercising rights felt good didn want forcing morality don follow your morality that morality subjective each person entitled moral attitudes mine not priori correct elses this not mean that judge another basis moral standards entitled moral sense tells rest society entitled pass laws spelling punishments for behavior that offensive majority makes can force morality can want decide disagree agree you sense that moral inflict rules thing add almost avoid pain and that means sacrificing stuff for herd morality criminals not behavior moral realize that immoral and not care not moral system immoral good point immoral opinion don choose make decision that actions wrong for and since grew and learned idea and wrong part incorporated rarely you criminal behaviour for philosophical reasons for lay claim alternative moral system sincere belief and internally consistent sociopaths lack innate moral sense admit lean idea innate moral sense basis for can such concept extended stuff deleted you mean that wrong for such thing not behaving morally eyes and chose basis condemn societies buzz words idea that actions wrong for humans societies holding that morality subjective not mean that excuse murderer not objective suddenly david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell mac michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu can explain chesterton regards adam adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws
alt.atheism	you will hell article healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes you wear your nicest boxer shorts and bring plenty spf sunscreen grab bathing suit towerl and veggie hotdogs and can bonfire cookout that sound good you dean poster invited room for nudists you upstanding moral churches nudity sin sole intention learning fly
alt.atheism	free moral agency article minster york cjhs minster york writes you that physical adam and eve and that humans direct decendents two human beings cain and wives couldn sisters didn daughters humans genesis and days adam begat seth hundred years and begat sons and daughters felicitations chris stuart incestuous adam happened sig cooper
alt.atheism	test ignore test adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws understand another fear your comprehension gandalf
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and anarchists article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons writes mccullou whipple wisc edu writes line atheists haveing sleeves imply that reading clipper project and paranoia seeped clipper project btw clipper initiative announcement clinton that secure voice phones will use crypto chip facto government standard problem government admitting that hold keys break code easily and justice department will keys listen illegal activities people scared such initiative major step outlawing real crypto protection things email you read press release project developed nsa and nist two keys and that government claims needed break code claim that keys will handed two companies and warrant wiretap chip nicknamed wiretap chip keys companies people poked holes and press release official version and shown nice sounds and simplified version people sci crypt scared this proposal mccullou whipple wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	pope jewish date tue apr gmt bruce rakes bruce cortex dixie mcgoy unicorn acs ttu edu david mcgaughey writes thought that pope bear you that bear shit woods pope catholic connection two lines and heard bear catholic pope nevermind bruce rakes software systems manager elekta instruments inc executive park suite atlanta voice fax email bruce elekta alabama bear catholic pope shit woods pope not bear bear god paul bear bryant football coach god university alabama
alt.atheism	faith and dogma tgk toronto edu todd kelley writes light happened waco chest faith and dogma dangerous religion inherently encourages implementation faith and dogma and for that reason scorn religion don necessarily disagree your assertion disagree your reasoning faith bad dogma bad religion faith dogma religion bad bad religion bad you never state faith and dogma dangerous you faith and dogma dangerous happened waco you missing point branch davidians made mistake confusing message messenger believed koresh prophet and believed problem wasn religion followers didn die faith and dogma died zealotry case children zealotry parents expressed this notion past christians debated whether christianity leaves room for reasoning claimed rationality quelled christianity faith and dogma christians totally irrational irrational respect religion you belief christian god not make totally irrational you getting hear you expand subject philosopher cannot christian philosopher can change mind christian cannot due nature faith and dogma present religion this statement general christian perfectly capable philosopher and absolutely capable changing mind faith god belief and beliefs change you assert that atheists make poor philosophers predisposed not god show unfair bias studying religion claimed that christian philosopher not christian person beliefs moment correspond christianity that person visiting guarding prison not prisoner you define prisoner simply prison can define prisoner moment prison can define christian moment christian beliefs person free not prisoner similarly person not constrained faith and dogma not christian christianity prison heard parole you read into this subject christian follows religion based teachings man named jesus christ this definition imply that cannot change mind prison you can decide leave voluntary not two not compatible religion gun that doesn kill religion encourages faith and dogma and doesn directly condemn people encourages use thinking thinking that kills people prefer religion water pistol filled urine not religions condemn groups people common target infidel curious alternately atheist insert specific religious affiliation person race egyptian explain thinking kills people and state your answer waco not humans capable thought and genocide and even mass suicide not willing bet that your conscientious peacenik and raise you religious zealot bad acne wasn aware mass suicide problem waco and jonestown isolated incidents mass suicides common kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	church satan islamic authority sic women david rice ofa fidonet org writes marshall csugrad edu kevin marshall csugrad edu yeah hilarious satanists satan god not god satan part christian mythology cannot worship satan acknowledging existence christian god satanists satan master and god and satan adversaries similar power satanists eventual overthrow god and transfer power master kevin marshall great satanists not satan don assert that orthodox satanists not worship satan church satan etc worship hear lavey idiots and fools satan and allah knew that suckers born minute maximus anton lavey interpretation satanism puzzled read satanic bible years ago for social studies project book arthur lyons called cult devil worship america included interesting interview black pope that satan instrument for realize refer satanism referring mishmash rural satanic ritualism and witchcraft existed church satan don lavey church orthodox followers satanists lavey combined philosophies nietzsche crowley and reich slapped religious doctrine added touch barnum and christened creation church satan doubt title calculated attempt attract attention suppose easily called church free sex rate worked for heyday church had huge including such hollywood celebrities sammy davis and jayne mansfield picture lavey sammy find idea satanist not believing satan credible christian not believing christ you include church satan suppose alter definition webster dictionary and american heritage dictionary will kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic verses article edm apr gocart twisto compaq edm twisto compaq mccreary writes topic books noticed that paine age reason hard find wanting pick copy for not bad mail order noticed that bookstores carry thought this supposed classic deal local used book store second largest west coast and couldn find copy guess atheists hold bibles esteem theists bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	islamic genocide article horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article qkovl fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes false dichotomy you claimed killing not religiously motivated and that wrong not that each and killing religiously motivate spelled detail killings you religously motivated for example claim that recent assassination catholic construction workers had connection ira religously motivated time writing that claims current violence motivated religion reaching you call writes killings not religously motivated argue that religion past major contributing factor violence present don evidence that this and not historian debate that avowed aim ira northern ireland into country that church written into constitution and restriction civil rights dictated that church fail word past claim that killings not religously motivated grotesque that means that church and believers history can face rewrite you attacking claim claim that ira terrorist plants bomb warrington not motive greater glory god frank put quotes your words your posting horus mchp sni don that claim you can longer stand your original claim mean thing killings not religously motivated terrorist plants bomb doesn religious motive example meant clarify not claim claim refer claim you seemingly attacking previous post that religion not major historical present violence don assert that assert opposite you don hand bunch double talk seemingly attacking quoted attacking jon
alt.atheism	inimitable rushdie article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes jkj fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes understanding that blasphemy laws exist used apply anglican christianity this fit your claim that state religion don you approx two million british muslims break times day and never prosecuted easy hold christian church service saudi arabia jon
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic verses article innknk bozo dsinc perry dsinc jim perry writes since this line discussion rest readership read this book your thoughts read and controversy broke put name waiting list library that book offensive money find author publisher and read cover cover use phrase that popular and liked writing style hard used worth effort coming similar background rushdie grew bombay muslim family and moved england grew delhi made strong impression and used strange constructions indian english yaar end sentence butbutbut occasional hindi phrase etc time sorta kinda thought muslim and couldn flap clear that this allegory clear that described local prostitutes names and personae muhammed wives and had not grandfather thundered implied that muhammed wives prostitutes short angry muslim that had read even part book missed point completely and won mention fact that militant had never even book oops perhaps deep sense book insulting islam exposes silliness revealed religion omnipotent deity agent can come directly can that muhammed didn into desert and smoke and that scribes dictated quran didn screw put verses and can muhammed marry women muslim allowed biggest insult islam that majority followers want suppress book sight unseen holy guy not mention murder author years made this point primarily muslim posters responded that read book and had called such things filth and lies rank rushdie book hitler mein kempf worse and had response talk book silly argument people read mein kampf made afraid don read book and decide for reaction muslim community book and absence protest liberal muslims khomeini fatwa outrage final push needed into atheism shamim mohamed uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu this cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member league for programming freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	universe and black holes years article apr iastate edu iastate edu warren vonroeschlaub wrote that drop marble into black hole races faster even horizon curving space caused excessive gravity object approaches event horizon travel integrating curve time reach event horizon infinity math that nothing can enter black hole not true observer rest infinite distance black hole will particle infinite time reach horizon particle reference frame takes finite time reach horizon and singularity math predict this mitchner thorne and wheeler gravitation peter walker don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinners cry saints sinners fun good die young
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes article qla afp fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes hope islamic bank bcci ripped small depositors muslim community and grow childish propagandist bbci example islamically owned and operated bank will bet weren real islamic owners and operators islamic bank bank operates rules islam regard banking this explicitly bank this not case bcci you that islamic bank bcci you care explain that hope islamic bank bcci you called childish propagandist jon
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes difference understand that invests shares risk venture bank lends money charging interest bank takes risk entire business bank management risk that bank for that people work for banks that financial stuff ain thing that case you posting hear you don understand this stuff islam jon
alt.atheism	cruel political atheists article qnpe inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes spent quite bit time wording constitution realise that this widely held belief america fact clause cruel and unusual punishments lot rest lifted english bill rights wording not mean didn spend time wording part posting you helpfully deleted pointed that used wording english bill rights apparently changing understood and asked two hundred years bound keith allan schneider thinks understood looked dictionary define word isn this sufficient since dictionary that lack mercy intent inflict injury grief counted cruel people can described cruel this punishments cannot cannot cruel fate your prevarications getting increasingly unconvincing jon
alt.atheism	cruel political atheists article apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmers bnr douglas graham writes article qnedm fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article mdinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes spent quite bit time wording constitution realise that this widely held belief america fact clause cruel and unusual punishments lot rest lifted english bill rights jerry mander absence sacred good book btw great binding law iroquois confederacy played significant role model for constitution apparently marx and engels strongly influenced study iroquois society prime example successful classless egalitarian noncoercive society mander that and study original document figure each wrong and time that fascinating heard that chinese italians invented pasta jon
alt.atheism	political atheists article qnp inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes perhaps chimps that failed evolve cooperative behaviour died and left that evolve such behaviour chance that entire point that point evolution not point natural morality suggested times natural morality renaming you proclaim natural morality time organism evolves cooperative behaviour natural morality morality that developed naturally your stronger this you agreeing that time organism evolves cooperative behaviour you call natural morality natural morality bee dance huh bee dance naturally developed piece cooperative behaviour jon
alt.atheism	political atheists article apr daffy wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes article afp fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article ajinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes chimps system live social groups laws dictating undesired behavior verb warned that back kindergarten such laws jon hey verb languages happens modifier english verb sentence this modified that verb languages complaining assertion containing word jon
alt.atheism	satanic article mimsy umd edu mangoe umd edu charley wingate writes jon livesey writes that people time copy text correctly translations present completely issues read papers that qumram texts had versions texts misunderstand reading newspapers learn this kind stuff not idea world newspaper reporters notoriously ignorant subject religion and prone exaggeration interests real story that bigger headline back this point masoretic text targums translations commentaries aramaic etc and septuagint ancient greek translation masoretic text standard jewish text and essentially not vary places obvious corruptions copied faithfully copy copy passages past interpreted reference targums and septuagint time copy text correctly that includes obvious corruptions septuagint differs masoretic text two particulars includes additional texts and second passages variant readings masoretic text addition fixing predating corrupted passages emphasized that knowledge variations signifcant bible scholars and theological import time copy text correctly that not exclude variant readings masoretic text theological import dead sea scroll materials add this ancient copy almost isaiah and fragments sizes almost books abundance material sign hebrew antecdent apocrypha extra texts septuagint analysis proceeded variations dss texts and masoretic versions tend reflect septuagint isn error differences not significant theologically this big expectation that great theological surprises lurking material this hasn happened dss important almost textual tradition unlike for hey you expert jon
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics article ofp vpdinppwh andrew cmu edu nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu writes timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons writes lies hypocrisy dude atheism takes faith theism admit not believing god means doesn deal extra baggage that comes this leaves person feeling wonderfully free beaten head for years agree that religion and belief important psychological healer for people and for that reason important force psychological fantasy don mean that bad that isn interested extremely rude believed santa claus and that noted that belief god behavoral imperative lack belief religion harm not belief god dan
alt.atheism	faith and dogma article eov aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu bill ray writes todd kelley tgk toronto edu wrote faith and dogma dangerous faith and dogma inevitable christians understand and admit fact give your proof that god exists that whichever position you you forced faith good you position for show interest existence god assume not exist stuff deleted posters posts this not true for show interest existence god takes faith you make presumption that knowledge possibility require faith render that possibilty interest thing that you don that you don sufficent reason even interesting not sometimes interesting that occupies your mind agree that faith and dogma inevitable not necessarily applied god and religion takes faith and dogma expect sun come morning overwhelming reason single day day and day for put faith and dogma not christian religion jim halat halat bear bear stearns doesn kill you will serve annoy you nyc speak for
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak dan schaertel wrote article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine writes not believer god not concerned disposition beneath provide evidence require evidence that personality this god find compelling fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you wouldn punish eternal torture didn love decent chap your god isn responsibility you love god and step promises for you you for looked and wasn another promise broken doubt this dispute not givin sincere effort lying bastard you effort and not simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don can eaplain peter don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinners cry saints sinners fun good die young
alt.atheism	you will hell article cbnewsj att decay cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz wrote article portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller writes jsn psuvm psu edu writes you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation you mean prepared surrounded thumpers proven hellish and not even dead prepared big beach umbrellas gel pack ice things big coleman cooler loaded miller draft miller draft sue pair balance sneakers sony watchman and couple cartons bonton cheddar cheese popcorn haven decided wear wear eternal damnation dean kaflowitz dress casual heaven dress code black tie and important expression don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinners cry saints sinners fun good die young
alt.atheism	genocide caused atheism article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes jkj fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes alt atheism that condemning actions call muslims condemning islam you read minds rice you posters not write for people posting and that commenting you misunderstood mean that not criticize islam necessarily bringing khomeini etc into argument for whether not islam determined examining actions islamic teachings islamic teachings contained qur and hadiths reported sayings and doings prophet that funny thought you making statement people fact quoted jon
alt.atheism	genocide caused atheism article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes jon found reference claim that percentage population that suffers depression increasing this century you requested will start heading thread post cool can discuss increase radio and use increase use fossil fuels increase air travel and consumption processed bread and you can instruct increased depression jon
alt.atheism	genocide caused atheism article qugin horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article qkogg fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes and that area you care whether sceptical critical and autonomous hand gullible excitable and easily led and atheist and gullible excitable and easily led that tendency worship tyrants and ideologies that person easily led whether worship belief supernatural hero earthly beside point whether not atheists discussing not whether easily led not you show that hypothetical atheists gullible excitable and easily led concrete that case discuss that concrete atheism factor that caused subsequent behaviour jon
alt.atheism	faith and dogma marshall csugrad edu kevin marshall eba hsq csugrad edu wrote don necessarily disagree your assertion disagree your reasoning faith bad dogma bad religion faith dogma religion bad bad religion bad you never state faith and dogma dangerous faith and dogma dangerous people act faith alone nature justification that mean word faith belief justification belief arbitrary justification emotional irrational justification for example that god exists that don god exists can feel that faith dogma bad precludes positive change belief based information increased mental faculty christians totally irrational irrational respect religion you belief christian god not make totally irrational you getting hear you expand subject faith and dogma irrational faith and dogma part religion responsible for irrationality individuals claim that faith and dogma quintessential part religion that makes overused this context buddism philosophy religion can live that science not religion faith dogma philosopher cannot christian philosopher can change mind christian cannot due nature faith and dogma present religion this statement general christian perfectly capable philosopher and absolutely capable changing mind faith god belief and beliefs change you assert that atheists make poor philosophers predisposed not god show unfair bias studying religion you noticed that philosophers tend atheists philosopher not atheist called theologian christian christianity sacred christianity special set beliefs sanctioned god and conceive changing beliefs question existence that makes mistakes faith comes into play dogma comes into play lord works mysterious ways example faith used reconcile evidence that beliefs flawed interpretations god changed satisfy society god that and that that since god unflawed even interpretations flawed science practiced atheists contrast built defence faith and dogma scientist holds sacred idea that beliefs change suit information time and and and scientist understands that current beliefs deficient goal improving beliefs goal changing beliefs reflect information that rational thing that good philosophy can you difference science views beliefs flawed and information can obtained improve scientists claim complete and perfect understanding put job religion views beliefs perfect and interpretations beliefs changed information acquired conflicts explain thinking kills people and state your answer waco easier for kill person doesn require good rational justification killing don jewish born jewish parents this document jewish good rational justification wasn aware mass suicide problem waco and jonestown isolated incidents mass suicides common clinton and fbi love for you convince this save taxpayer lot money you todd
alt.atheism	faith and dogma eov aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu bill ray wrote faith and dogma inevitable christians understand and admit fact give your proof that god exists that whichever position you you forced faith good you position for show interest existence god assume not exist special relativity hasn proved disproved proof people interested satisfied that nothing absolutely existence god two possibilities supernaturalism and naturalism set circumstances can inconsistent supernaturalism similarly set circumstances can inconsistent naturalism naturalism phenomenon that described god considered part natural world studied natural phenomenon gravity for instance for example loud godlike voice vociferously announced god exist and will prove reversing force gravity and gravity reverse naturalist scientist boy didn understand gravity thought and that loud voice perhaps didn understand thunder thought contend that proper implementation christian faith requires reasoning that reasoning cannot used throw things you don find uncomfortable hedonistic sexual behavior condemned bible and act true reason will make condemned hatred murder gossip condemned god ordained murder bible you bet and god orders kill you will will use gideon behavior verifying that god ordered hit and will discuss abram fashion glad you don live since you don realize impossible for you distinguish voices your head and god voice can hear you this jim jones and david koresh justify behavior delusional religious cults bear relationship christianity that rape bears consentual sex form substance southern baptist church methodist church begin this you reason blame mainstream religion for behaviors people associate negative behavior witness christian you you missed point even jim jones and david koresh not religious people point remains that faith and dogma dangerous and religion encourages jim jones and david koresh encouraged point not rely jim jones and david koresh religious todd
alt.atheism	faith and dogma article eov aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu bill ray writes todd kelley tgk toronto edu wrote faith and dogma dangerous faith and dogma inevitable christians understand and admit fact give your proof that god exists that whichever position you you forced faith good you position for show interest existence god assume not exist absolutely not true religion established you invent for theist and atheist equally not interested god religious revelation information god strip dogma and theists atheists simply holding opinion matter practical importance contend that proper implementation christian faith requires reasoning that reasoning cannot used throw things you don find uncomfortable hedonistic sexual behavior condemned bible and act true reason will make condemned hatred murder gossip condemned god ordained murder bible you bet and god orders kill you will will use gideon behavior verifying that god ordered hit and will discuss abram fashion that doesn test will you apply decide whether god satan you speaking will you that you not simply insane delusions you loaded gun can hear you this jim jones and david koresh justify behavior delusional religious cults bear relationship you not stupid assumed southern baptist church methodist church begin this you reason blame mainstream religion for behaviors people associate negative behavior witness christian you this together each human making small part definition humanity dan
alt.atheism	thoughts christians article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine wrote article sandvik sandvik kent apple sandvik newton apple kent sandvik writes you can physical problems passive christianity unlike smoking not that hard avoid christianity today ignore keith err kent whadda you mean you didn smiley ouch guess didn comment irony into fire cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic verses article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine wrote article edm apr gocart twisto compaq edm twisto compaq mccreary writes topic books noticed that paine age reason hard find wanting pick copy for not bad mail order noticed that bookstores carry thought this supposed classic deal local used book store second largest west coast and couldn find copy guess atheists hold bibles esteem theists remember correctly prometheus books this stock call and for book cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	age reason read rushdie this story kent archetype finn that lives bay area and purchase thomas paine age reason this man driving staceys books inc cleanlighted place daltons places asked for this book educated american book store assistants asked check thriller section that book not published receive book places assistants bluntly that don such author that not living author don copies books such life and times america years revolution cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	thoughts article rekj darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes james felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote logic alert argument incredulity hard for you this doesn mean that isn true liars can pursuasive koresh that you cite this basis great rejecting christian account things words madalyn murrey hair face folks silly disbelieve your incredulity you admit that fallacy isn and wasn aware that this hair chick reader that doesn support your assertion that argument basis great rejecting dan
alt.atheism	thoughts christians article rgkb darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes kent sandvik sandvik newton apple wrote social pressure important factor for majority passive christians world today case early christianity promise heavenly afterlife independent your social status promising gift reason slaves and romans accepted religion rapidly this hypothetical proposition you fact you cite your sources this amateur sociologist sub branch suffice alert unwary that you screwing you accept sources this thing written lots books you start erich fromm dogma christ doug graham dgraham bnr opinions
alt.atheism	cruel political atheists article fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmers bnr douglas graham writes jerry mander absence sacred good book btw great binding law iroquois confederacy played significant role model for constitution apparently marx and engels strongly influenced study iroquois society prime example successful classless egalitarian noncoercive society mander that and study original document figure each wrong and time that fascinating heard that chinese italians invented pasta that fascinating that you expressing skepticism idea that ignorant savages influenced constitution people stole continent you sounds plausible reason that you dismiss hand recent scholarship shown that mid indians not invited participate deliberations founding fathers that great binding law iroquois confederacy arguably single important model for albany plan union and articles confederation and constitution that this absent school texts and history and media not surprising devotion americans feel founding myth great men gathered express vision that withstood test time revealed that indians had role imagine blow american psyche men and gathered creat albany plan union confederation invited forty two members iroquois grand council serve advisors confederate structures benjamin franklin freely acknowledged interest iroquois achievement famous speech albany congress strange thing six nations ignorant savages sic capable forming such union and execute such manner that subsisted for ages and appears indissoluble and that union impractical for ten dozen english colonies grinde franklin convened meetings iroquois chiefs and congressional delegates order hammer plan that acknowedged similar iroquois confederacy grinde professor donald grinde university california riverside book iroquois and founding fathers american nation addresses this issue doug graham dgraham bnr opinions
alt.atheism	studies book mormon date tue apr gmt carolyn jean fairman cfairman leland stanford edu agrino enkidu mic andres grino brandt asks mormons mention events places historical persons discovered archeologist amusing things bom claim that civilization existed north america aroun mystical plates found not use steel and metals had lots wars found metal swords and traces civilization native americans this example free inquiry winter introduction article joseph smith and book mormon george smith introduction written paul kurtz mormonism church jesus christ day saints claims worldwide membership million world fastest growing religions converst alone church aggressive missionary program covering hundred countries spreading even world countries mormonism puritanical moral outlook and evangelical preachment church run strict authoritarian lines led president allegedly receives revelations directly form god and group twelve apostles attempt maintain orthodoxy belief and practice church opposed abortion pornography sexual freedom women rights and view immoral influences secular society and forbids use tobacco alcohol coffee and tea centered salt lake city church extremely wealthy and politically powerful utal and western states present day mormons ezra taft benson secretary agriculture osmond family mariotts hotel empire and score high government officials mormon church founded western york joseph smith claimed that divine revelation had found gold plates containing hieroglyphics buried hill and that visits angel moroni had translate writing into book mormon basis mormon belief this book written commandment god claims that ancient hebrews settled america and ancestors american indians mormons that baptized true church will reunited death and that deceased mormon family members can baptized proxy and join relatives hereafter beliefs mormons considered outcasts mainline christian denominations and heretics religious fundamentalists joseph smith controversial figure day worshiped saint and denounced fraud persecution led band loyal followers palmyra york westward ohio and illinois shot death agry mob brigham young reportedly had eighty wives leadership church and led mormons westward found zion salt lake city teachings joseph smith practice polygamy perhaps mormons controversial practice nineteenth century america religions back centuries muhammadanism years christianity and judaism and attempts examine beginnings difficult extensive historical investigation mormon roots mormons willing examine this history objectively maintain that such scrutiny dangerous faith pages free inquiry presents two articles mormon church george smith lifelong member church detailed critical examination joseph smith and claim book mormon divinely revealed second present portion interview philosopher sterling mcmurrin mormon since birth questions treatment history church mormon authorities paul kurtz article super jimtims psilink
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak writes simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic don you cite passages that can focus discuss jesus you can make fools and logic you rely simply your reason you will never you you can justifiably make this assertion you genius logic and making fools that easier qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinions delta correlated
alt.atheism	logic jesus dps nasa kodak pontificated simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic can you cite example this post answer don want receive mail james green jgreen oboe calpoly edu times and nations priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
alt.atheism	islamic authority women kmr cwru edu keith ryan pontificated moslem men rape woman commit act and witness penetration guilty verdict can rendered confession two male witnesses crime adultery and rape proved witnesses actual penetration occurrence that not happen this quran spelled james green jgreen oboe calpoly edu times and nations priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
alt.atheism	you god court heard that california you swear mention god states include god courtroom oath james green jgreen oboe calpoly edu times and nations priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mats andtbacka writes fpv horus mchp sni frank writes article apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mats andtbacka writes that chestnut your claim that moral objectivism scientific objectivism don agree proving objective moral test that disagreeing incorrect your claim you deleted not universal not objective deleted interest brevity back step and you your post that claim you can refute firstly apology you hadn deleted your claim and mistaken you had for offence caused secondly can refute your definition can point logical implications and that contradict usage word objective areas your definition objective oxymoron for quibble that belief that useless and that objective perfectly good word objective not age universe show ages can universe and internally consistent amazed moral systems can members society single individuals cases and humanity stick together begging question people can opinions age universe and humanity can stick together you that universe real age independent beliefs age universe scientific facts can emirically verified means that give result matter performs testing albeit error bars that largish side this assumes that universe real age kind reality doesn depend extreme biblical creationist give rat ass means you speak heard verify morality consistent compute errors measurement care enlighten true pain painkillers exist and can predicted work accuracy random guess wrote that morality hypotheses observed moral system makes prediction will that can tested and falsifiable prediction this drug will relieve pain people ideas age object not objective you can idea you and can stop you universae and ages another ballgame and you dislike detail that problem your opinion assume objective reality and you statements this claim that morality opinion ours and such subjective and individual wrong objectively real thing exists you label objective morality can you back this positive claim existence can you back your positive claim that assumption make assumption values basis that logical difference two and empirical basis two precisely point morals essence personal opinions ideally founded motivated such nonetheless personal fact that real large lot people agree moral question sometimes even for reason not make morals objective makes humans somewhat alike opinions that moral question can good for evolution social species and real large lot nice phrase people agree that football desk supposed logical difference two perhaps you can explain difference since you desk perform test football accept theory people hallucinating morality inform and that opposed drift you claiming never good means science matter altogether you prove that disagree wrong that simple matter proving track record scientific method great and applied values completely wrong that conclude result quite amount thought frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	thoughts article reyf darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner wrote kent sandvik sandvik newton apple wrote article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine wrote spank wrong didn lord liar lunatic originate lewis this campollo fellow and isn clear connection absurd notion original christians origen similar statement attributed anselm that understand cases reason somewhat exalted posting accept means that statement can properly analysed this venue bill you misunderstanding atheism lack belief god not directly imply lack understanding transcendental values hope you accept fact that for instance buddhists issues related empirical reasoning automatically theism reading couple books related buddhism revise and fine tune your understanding christian systems cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	christian morality article pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don can eaplain can jesus used logic make people logic fools that not sound told fools and that and people believed that hmm not sound reasonable find intriguing people stating that transcendental values can explained and sentence explain unexplained values highly strange cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	thoughts christians article rgkb darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner wrote kent sandvik sandvik newton apple wrote social pressure important factor for majority passive christians world today case early christianity promise heavenly afterlife independent your social status promising gift reason slaves and romans accepted religion rapidly this hypothetical proposition you fact you cite your sources this amateur sociologist sub branch suffice alert unwary that you screwing remember jacoby mythmaker talks this cite source not christians read this book addition social experiences raised and educated lutheran lot christian friends and even played two christian rock bands you you counter claims sources rest that shows that christianity not concept social promise that independent social status cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	islamic authority women article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner wrote credit religion awesome power dominate history misunderstand human nature function religion and history that distort history this exaclty and for affect underestimate power religion creating historical events big misunderstanding for instance year war started fractions protestants and vatican cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	death penalty political atheists article rlyz darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner wrote this fascinating atheists argue for abortion defend homosexuality means population control insist that values biological and condemn war and capital punishment benedikt contardictory cannot exist this case means atheists suppose understand atheist can object war excellent means controlling population growth capital punishment logic escapes and capital punishment questioned propriety killing punishment basis ecomplaint bill heard secular humanism check this stands for and revise your statements cheers kent sandvik newton apple alink ksand private activities net
alt.atheism	genocide caused atheism article fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article qugin horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article qkogg fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes and that area you care whether sceptical critical and autonomous hand gullible excitable and easily led and atheist and gullible excitable and easily led that tendency worship tyrants and ideologies that person easily led whether worship belief supernatural hero earthly beside point whether not atheists discussing not whether easily led not you show that hypothetical atheists gullible excitable and easily led concrete that case discuss that concrete atheism factor that caused subsequent behaviour not arguing that atheism such behaviour that not relevant definition atheism lack belief gods frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	islamic genocide article fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article qkovl fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes false dichotomy you claimed killing not religiously motivated and that wrong not that each and killing religiously motivate spelled detail killings you religously motivated for example claim that recent assassination catholic construction workers had connection ira religously motivated time writing that claims current violence motivated religion reaching you call writes killings not religously motivated motivated primitive notion revenge and misguided patriotism come mainland catholics not killed mainland protestants and southern catholics not killed southern protestants and plausible bar religion and violence diminishes markedly gee that argue that religion past major contributing factor violence present don evidence that this and not historian debate that avowed aim ira northern ireland into country that church written into constitution and restriction civil rights dictated that church fail word past country official language written constitution and vice versa motivated love irish poetry your argument fallacious jon for worth agree that you ireland and frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	islam and scientific predictions genocide caused atheism article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes deletion god created night day sun and moon each travelling orbit motion qur positive aspect this verse noted maurice bucaille that geocentrism commonly accepted notion time and for long time notion geocentrism this verse anywhere qur that translation found for surprised hear that night and day move orbit and that sun travels orbit that earth sounds geocentric benedikt
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article inr lvi horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes deletion and real large lot nice phrase people agree that football desk supposed logical difference two perhaps you can explain difference since you rest deleted that fallacy and not time pointed not fallacy note supermajority disinterested people agree fundamantal not ethics benedikt difference that and people agreeing trivial observation reference not ethics dubious you used terms absolute objective and interchangeably moral values values worth measuers and usefulness you infer not fulfilled your intermission waste time assuming that you don intend this reasonable conclude that you want argue point you made interesting statement that disinterested observer such thing morals shortest proof for objective and morality contradiction for you never set morals people agree unlike football you conveniently ignore that not agree tghe morality analogy not hold example people agree and explained people will agree that freedom valuable stated that such condition for objective ethics assertion and that talking isn point talking ethics this can agreed fine and that freedom valuable not generally agreed name quite lot people state opposite not that that wasn mentioned words you nothing fulfill your strong claims can expect sufficiently people agree football you give evidence that vanishing number disagrees set morals you give not morals ethics can past values cogent objection freedom example that people aren talking thing answer that valuable not and want this implications true clutching straw don mappings into metaphysical sets loaded terms fixpoints deny morality freedom make quite clear practice telling even willingly unfree quite common religions for religion named submission don even argue that submission freedom evidence not proof proof evolve testing your theory absolute morals competing theories garbage that not proof argue case afraid that that considered proof arguments you reiterate you never answer objections evidence that you preacher name that fallacy universally valued moral context benedikt
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law qla afp fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes article jkj fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes hope islamic bank bcci ripped small depositors muslim community and deletions bbci example islamically owned and operated bank will bet weren real islamic owners and operators and turned long running and quite ruthless operation steal money small and quite naive depositors islamic bank operates fashion your modern bank explained another thread for example islamic banks don pay fixed interests deposits return investments varies market and not fixed interest islamic banks relatively phenomenon islamic world islamic banks west including usa knowledge doubt market for exists not islamic banks relatively early stage development case bcci not islamic bank bcci pay fixed interest rate deposits answer this question bcci not islamic bank islamic banks specifically set not pay charge interest whether muslims partially owned bank completely irrelevant fred rice darice yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long this unmitigated bilge jim brown possession wing token diplomatic alternatives including sanctions ineffective december national security adviser zbigniew brzezinski told senate committee that sanctions costing iraq million per day and that multinational coalition time world iraq suggested losing badly day defied demands community nations won day taking life loss life fcnl washington newsletter world full evil and circumstances not perfect innocents suffer due wrongful actions regretable that wrongful actions murderers leaders government perhaps regrettable not media not totally monolithic even conservative sources you hurrah for rush good heavens escapee rush limbot land conservative ass and btw reason brought blanket bombing germany you bemoaning iraqi civilian casualties deplorable blanket bombing instituted bombing wasn accurate hit industrial military targets decisive method that time gulf war precision bombing norm bullshit gulf massacre ordnance used smart rest that regular dumb iron bombs and stuff you forgotten that pentagon definition successful patriot launch missile cleared launching tube damage that successful interception scud defined patriot and scud passed each area sky and that smart stuff hit follow that means this smart arsenal missed stories hundreds thousands iraqi civilian dead plain bunk prove source that that date civilian death count excuse mean collateral damage attempted calculate costs execution washington state studies suggest costs incarceration california spending million annually capital cases and this year hadn executed since texas national leader number executions spends estimated million per execution that compares average cost incarceration washington state per maximum security prisoner per year shamim mohamed uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu this cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member league for programming freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	gulf war death penalty political atheists article rusnews mantis mathew mathew mantis writes mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes looked back this and asked questions people and information had claimed and you pooh poohed not sold iraq arms land mines mentioned asked areas you suggested and presented information mention landmines countries kuwait information hard prove you claiming that sold information prove information hard prove almost sell information that fact classified and you can prove neat dismiss can prove shadow doubt you admit can never prove your satisfaction stick squaring circles mathew you blindly things reasonable evidence didn realize you theist doubting claim presented evidence support you present real evidence for great unsupported claims even claims such and such news agency will not accepted you want stick sheer impossible difficult fine statement that such fact classified you can prove simple matter pragmatics and law you access classified information that you classified and you reveal good chance that you person revealed you jail never that you couldn prove satisfaction that difficult and make things easy for people arguing handicap mccullou whipple wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	gulf war and peace niks article lva fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw writes article apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmers bnr douglas graham writes wait minute doug you informed that never invaded nicaragua invaded nicaragua times this century including october andf february haiti occupied jon had forgotten and invasions had learned mean forgot read context recent such sandinistas expecting imminent invasion never happened stand corrected panama invaded true twice this century created panama place fomenting and intervening civil war republic colombia troops landed colombia uprising and colombia duly dismembered and replaced two countries order that build panama canal republic panama remembered this this and bush invasion two mentioned good teddy knew things jon regards jim
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak writes article ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko writes dan schaertel dps nasa kodak wrote this mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don this not prefer learn unwise swallow you read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn helped daily problems you accept this since you can whether true not asks you swallow fact jesus warns you question you beleive you learn history class for that matter school mean people told you and you don want swallow into sceptical heart you can not you sincere effort attitude you you trust not church and participate activities you willing die for you believed branch dividians believed and trusted that impossible turn back reality you advocating total irreversible brainwashing dan
alt.atheism	genocide caused atheism article hqd horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article qugin horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article qkogg fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes and that area you care whether sceptical critical and autonomous hand gullible excitable and easily led and atheist and gullible excitable and easily led that tendency worship tyrants and ideologies that person easily led whether worship belief supernatural hero earthly beside point whether not atheists discussing not whether easily led not you show that hypothetical atheists gullible excitable and easily led concrete that case discuss that concrete atheism factor that caused subsequent behaviour not arguing that atheism such behaviour that not relevant definition atheism lack belief gods throw faq can dwyer since can define thing that rest talk jon
alt.atheism	gulf war selling arms article rusnews mantis mathew mathew mantis writes jbrown batman bmd trw writes mathew agree this crux your position isn that shouldn supported hussein and sold arms fight iran agree and agree ruthlessly hunting sell arms hussein and deal invades kuwait sit back and sold arms suppose use bad for kuwait sitting back and letting things not correct mistake destroying hussein military potential move agree your statement reagan and bush made grave error judgment sell arms hussein happening that entire point last month john major hailed great victory that had personally secured sale arms saudi arabia month sold jet fighters indonesian government that busy killing east timorese heard arms sale saudi arabia such grave mistake sell saudi arabia weapons you claiming that shouldn sell weapons countries straightforward answer oops made boo boo clean mistake and making mistake that can not deliberate this suspicion reinforced fact that mistake extremely profitable for decrepit economy reliant arms sales benefits arms sales hint isn gov contractor that builds that piece equipment not and don export huge quantities arms that you accused arms exports rare that requires act congress for small arms countries not you telling can and can sell goods mathew mccullou whipple wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote stuff deleted not blindly matter knowledgeable islamic law tells islam such and such immediately show support for this statement qur and sunnah this islamic duty for hadith prophet peace and blessings god your leader tells you enter fire and you and kill you sinned for wrong even you blindly instructions your leader responsible for actions not abu hanifa imam malik etc even blindly opinions abu hanifa etc this mind understanding reasoning such opinions muslims that support khomeini fatwa understanding hadith support khomeini fatwa relating instance that occurred war time brother general imho ridiculous and wrong that hadith relating actions war usable times peace sensible human can this personally that reasoning ulema this matter faulty for legitimate use acts war times peace this subject you wrong feel free your reasoning qur and hadith not want reasoning qur and sahih hadiths perhaps discussion soc religion islam email rashid you this disagree your opinion punishment for apostasy viewpoint follow that general punishment for apostasy strongly supported qur and hadith this shown book punishment islamic law mohamed awa american trust publications reiterate that agree you that justification for punishment apostasy qur islamic history apostasy rarely punished belief considered matter conscience and since compulsion matter belief apostates generally left not will apostate makes attacks god and messenger situation charge apostasy complicated charges perhaps charges sedition treason spying etc person makes public issue apostasy mounts public attacks opposed arguement islam situation likewise complicated person spreads slander broadcasts falsehoods situation punishments vary situation apostate charge aggravated apostasy subsidiary charge rushdie case distinction qur formal war situation and situation unilaterally wages war actions creates disorder makes mischief etc muslims and creates situation that results harm muslims small group even single individual engaged such practise words clear difference formal war situation two defined parties wage war conclude treaties exchange prisoners etc and dealing attacks that come isolated individuals groups islam second situation unilateral attack and spreading fasad that apply case rushdie matter rushdie not simple matter banning offensive book banning book secondary full set circumstances publication book come into play including deaths muslims and rushdie and publishers media games not blindly matter knowledgeable islamic law tells islam such and such immediately show support for this statement qur and sunnah this islamic duty for hadith prophet peace and blessings god your leader tells you enter fire and you and kill you sinned for wrong even you blindly instructions your leader responsible for actions not abu hanifa imam malik etc even blindly opinions abu hanifa etc understanding hadith support khomeini fatwa relating instance that occurred war time brother general imho ridiculous and wrong that hadith relating actions war usable times peace sensible human can this personally that reasoning ulema this matter faulty for legitimate use acts war times peace this subject not hadith you referring that qur anic verses fatwa based verse qur circumstance revelation understanding tafsir verse restricted solely historical circumstance revealed this case that laws and regulations that revealed muslims not involved conflict suspended war logic not follow complex real life situations verses and hadiths can related single complicated situation internal relationships verses quite complex such that arriving understanding verses interlock and each applies situation can quite demanding task not necessarily simple this that process parameters involved larger context situation viewed matters impinge situation words great deal involved deciphering qur qur asks reflect verses this reflection entail simply reading verse and hadith reflection for sake increasing personal piety each person level understanding and harm that reflection order decide matters that pertain state gestation laws and rulings gestation society dispensing justice guidance community minimum requirements understanding that achieve jaffar ibn muhammad sadiq relates requirements taught prophet hadith not distinguish book allah abrogating verse abrogated and specific general and decisive ambiguous and not differentiate permission and obligation and not recognize verse meccan period medinite and not circumstances revelation and not understand technical words qur whether simple compound and not comprehend knowledge decree and measure and ignorant advancing and delaying verses and not distinguish clear deep manifest esoteric beginning termination and unaware question and answer disjoining and joining and exceptions and inclusive and ignorant adjective preceding noun that explains subsequent and unaware emphasized subject and detailed obligatory laws and permissions places duties and rules and meaning lawful and unlawful and not joined words and words that related coming such man not qur people qur based and hadiths and accordance qur anic verses not company group remain gain profound understanding tafaqquh religion and warn people return that beware science jurisprudence arose requirements for person considered mujtahid can pronounce matters law and religion listed major divisions below subdivisions headings knowledge arabic syntax conjugation roots semantics oratory knowledge tafsir and principles tafsir logic mantiq knowledge hadiths knowledge transmitters rijal knowledge principles juriprudence qur sunnah consensus reasoning study qur and sunnah for purposes law involves discussion imperatives awamir discussion negative imperatives nawahi discussion generalities and particularities aam khas discussion unconditional and conditional discussion tacit meanings discussion abstract and clear discussion abrogator and abrogated principles application law involves principles exemption principles precaution principles option principles mastery jurisprudent bound rigorous process pronouncing judgement situation not matter verse and hadith blindly follow difference blind and acceding opinion knowledgeable and qualified oneself famous hadith prophet fuqaha religious scholars trustees prophet long not concern illicit desires pleasures and wealth this world prophet asked messenger god concern replied whether follow ruling power that fear for your religion and shun not imams sunni madhabs comment this hadith applies contemporary scholars base prophet refered fuqaha fortress islam point make clear that arriving legal judgement calls into play amount expertise specifics this expertise delineated qur and hadith acquire this expertise praised qur and hadith requisite knowledge pronounce matters that affect society state and religion cautioned reason rushdie affair this group basis for discussion fatwa that apostasy wrong discusses base discussion fact secondly khomeini condemned heretic supposedly claimed infallible another instance creating straw man and beating perhaps discussion soc religion islam email rashid you this agree that move discussion another newsgroup not access email private discussion moderated group question cannot post moderated group soc religion islam soc culture arabic talk religion misc salaam laikum
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger wrote made clear claim that khomeini advocates views contradition qur and arguments for this this that can checked sufficiently interested khomeini dead can respond another poster supports khomeini responded obfuscationist sophistry this quite clear atheists susceptible religionist modes obfuscationism don mind this example obfuscation condemn even your basic facts straight you want examples back and your previous posts you manage your facts wrong fatwa and khomeini supposed infallibility salaam laikum
alt.atheism	consciousness part kev strikes back kevin anthoney kax nott wrote reply diplomatic society that constantly verge flaming usenet diplomacy ensure voice reason gets isn realize fighting occam razor this argument explain feel mind kevin you delving into field algorithms your reasoning lines roger penrose claimed that mathematical insight cannot algorithmic book emperor mind computers minds and laws physics penrose claim that mathematical insight your similar claim that wavefunctions collapse consciously illusions obviouslu taking viewpoints ponder problem consciousness evolutionary perspective realising that not special thinking back wrote you worms minds not experience pain behave that conceivable that day future perform total synthesis elegans elements such worm mind firstly not impressed ability algorithms great solving problems once method worked not working method this true extent not that brains work computers fact substantial evidence skarda skarda freeman that brains work chaotically generating randomness for mental states evolve brains work genetic algorithm generators suppose trick form discovered this mean that ideas will pre programmed into brains this somewhat that brains ultimately encoded chromosomes worth genetic material isn used this extremely vast impact nurture mind and brain suggest that understand consciousness collection algorithms kevin references mentioned and experts nature conscious mind neurologists neuropsychologists and biologists not flame for opinions since study beings that conscious reason repeating advice that this discussion cannot lead anywhere backgrounds and not bring into this discussion not physicists happy claim that consciousness plays special role physics doesn problem algorithms instability not algorithms survive you large portion code people survive strokes completely haywire side effects patients remarkably stable neurons perfectly healthy people dying alarming rate can algorithm survive randomly corrupt bits code brains not computers don forget this this not mean work work differently primary purpose perception and guidance action awareness and high intelligence appearances problem sticky question colour replace colour sensation your choice materialist viewpoint that product kind chemical reaction usual products such reaction energy chemicals colour mixture you expecting that find idea green brains perhaps form chemical this not sensation green time dependent pattern area visual cortex and distributed areas and rest brain firing pattern sometimes thought consciousness global free induction pattern local firing patterns this idle speculation scientific american september issue special issue mind and brain you read cover cover two articles visual perception you interested note that subjective experiences cannot observed person perspective nothing neuronal activity cannot conclude that this not mind kalat writes numerous examples electric stimulation areas brain led patients state mind for instance patient septal area stimulated knowledge remote control psychiatric interview quickly cured depression and started discussing plan seduce girlfriend stimulations temporal lobe sometimes led embarrassing situations patients started flirting therapist conclusion evidence that brains essentially for subjective experiences brain damage equivalent sort mind damage conscious processes involve substantial brain activity areas brain colours visual cortex activated etc consciousness afterthought become conscious actions half second delay and brains ahead conscious will fruitful turn question colours and this that observing since that conscious mind not king brains this computer won colour chemistry algorithm that sees colour selective advantage equivalent that doesn shouldn outputs each algorithm equivalent circumstances colour this depends meant colours neural network that capable recognising handwritten numbers numbers capable sorting you asking animal conscious observer evolutionary advantage animal doesn good answer read previous posting wrote sense identity helps social animals swap roles and act morally that don unconsciously kill each newly discovered weapons bit extreme this basic idea early homo and efficient tools sense identity and concept had evolve line this development respect for and conscious altruistic behaviour evolutionary advantages for social animals such early humans remember correctly quantum mechanics consists wavefunction two processes acting process called unitary evolution governed schroedinger equation and second process called things such collapse wavefunction state vector reduction and mysterious occur measurement takes place precisely that occurs occur effect abruptly change wavefunction minds required for this this mean that human minds scene wavefunctions never collapsed remained superpositions for aeons powerful this discussed and this topic irrelevant since not agree that minds and physicists speculating that minds part link consciousness and that never linear superpositions alternative explainations for this idea brain supposed access part since this speculation that won matter main point that place for minds physics agree not sense you apparently mean physics sharp minds solve real problems back nice padded cell that you you don forget you references wrote previous posting kalat james biological psychology wadsworth publishing company belmont skarda explaining behavior bringing brain back inquiry skarda freeman brains make chaos order make sense world behavioral and brain sciences petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game
alt.atheism	consciousness part kev strikes back scott sauyet ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu wrote apr nott kevin anthony kax nott writes firstly not impressed ability algorithms great solving problems once method worked not working method crossword example deleted you heard neural networks read and overcome your objections people work neural networks and read this newsgroup kevin you achieved and you expect not that nns will solve such problems show that not hard you come mechanical models consciousness dualism solution dennett recently put dead horse petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game
alt.atheism	consciousness part kev strikes back article apr ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko writes kevin anthoney kax nott wrote this post brilliant insane brilliant example introspective objection materialist theories consciousness diplomatic realize fighting occam razor this argument explain feel mind firstly not impressed ability algorithms great solving problems once method worked not working method specific example solve numerical crosswords not simple sums and insert answers type hard efficiency you figure variety tricks that you can program computer puzzles you work tricks and program into computer you can obfuscate trick and write program that uncovered can trick form discovered this mean that ideas will pre programmed into brains this somewhat that brains ultimately encoded chromosomes worth genetic material isn used this bring environment into equation can this air you object perform action and don anywhere algorithm anticipate and conclusions draw experience problem algorithms instability not algorithms survive you large portion code people survive strokes completely haywire side effects patients remarkably stable neurons perfectly healthy people dying alarming rate can algorithm survive randomly corrupt bits code problem sticky question colour replace colour sensation your choice materialist viewpoint that product kind chemical reaction usual products such reaction energy chemicals colour mixture this computer won colour chemistry algorithm that sees colour selective advantage equivalent that doesn shouldn outputs each algorithm equivalent circumstances colour such view nonsolution minds act observers feel pain and pleasure and issue commands brain interactions occur bit idle speculation remember correctly quantum mechanics consists wavefunction two processes acting process called unitary evolution governed schroedinger equation and second process called things such collapse wavefunction state vector reduction and mysterious occur measurement takes place precisely that occurs occur effect abruptly change wavefunction envisage interaction wavefunction and imaginitively call part reasonable assume that that wavefunction case part simply wavefunction note that explain speculating that minds part link consciousness and that never linear superpositions alternative explainations for this idea brain supposed access part since this speculation that won matter main point that place for minds physics back nice padded cell that you petri kevin anthoney kax nott don you read sig files
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak dan schaertel wrote life death and resurection christ documented historical fact not standard history care back this sans lies apologists fond major events life jesus christ fortold hundreds years neat trick not prophesies aren even prophesies prayers and comments torah quite context xians started lying beginning into sceptical heart you can not you sincere effort attitude you arrogant ass aren you trust not church and participate activities you wrong haven trust that doesn exist you willing die for you believed willing die for and don loonies waco point not die for believes point make that son bitch die for believes doesn tired cretins tirades peter damed and damned proud don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinners cry saints sinners fun good die young
alt.atheism	cults religions article bfe aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu bill ray wrote james thomas green jgreen trumpet calpoly edu wrote conclusion can shown that essentially logical argument differentiates cult religion challenge produce distinction clear and can easily knocked this religion cult stood test time religion cult that opted people compartmentalizing irrationality peter don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinners cry saints sinners fun good die young
alt.atheism	gulf war and peace niks article rusnews mantis mathew mathew mantis writes jbrown batman bmd trw writes problem peace niks not bad and unconscionable not argument problem peace nik held ideals and stayed conflicts issues dealing national defense not willing legitimately hold point view militate and times resort violence name peace yawn another wing wasp imagining oppressed minority perhaps camille paglia personal attacks not argument problem peace nik stayed conflicts issues bet you wouldn you love deliberate misinterpretation persons statement cutting part statement blunt thrust sentence never addresses issue extreemist peace people not holding true ideals makes you that sitting back nothing defense issues and letting people you make decisions ideals ignoring challenge ignores challenge that extreemists for peace tend quite insistent that accept ideals for world and even turned quite violent witness chicago summer mathew paranoia assumes that argues viewpoint masturbate guns ammo fire oven isn hot mccullou whipple wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long article optima arizona edu sham arizona edu shamim zvonko mohamed writes this unmitigated bilge jim brown possession wing token diplomatic alternatives including sanctions ineffective december national security adviser zbigniew brzezinski told senate committee that sanctions costing iraq million per day and that multinational coalition time world iraq suggested losing badly day defied demands community nations won day taking life loss life fcnl washington newsletter understand that number deceptive reason that money cost oil sales for part iraq not allowed sell oil things initial sanctions surviving and btw reason brought blanket bombing germany you bemoaning iraqi civilian casualties deplorable blanket bombing instituted bombing wasn accurate hit industrial military targets decisive method that time gulf war precision bombing norm bullshit gulf massacre ordnance used smart rest that regular dumb iron bombs and stuff you forgotten that pentagon definition successful patriot launch missile cleared launching tube damage that successful interception scud defined patriot and scud passed each area sky heard figures closer won quibble your figures dropped carpet bombing regions occupied enemy troops drops lot bombs sortie and used clock not mention smaller aircraft dumb munitions patriot proximity fuse adjusted figures for number patriot kills derivitives that figure not fluke pentagon working such stuff another part dod statement precision bombing norm true areas civilians close target dropped tonnage bombs populated regions explaining figures and that smart stuff hit follow that means this smart arsenal missed this figure below figures accurate you explain discrepancy that figure and figures international organizations figures place hit ratio close higher your your figure bomb missed plane and bomb never hit target whether not bomb dropped such methods used time lie statistics stories hundreds thousands iraqi civilian dead plain bunk prove source that that date civilian death count excuse mean collateral damage never source that claiming such figure post source reliability can judged mccullou whipple wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	david coresh god morning shows today show david koresh lawyer interviewed that interview flipped letters that david koresh wrote letters written hebrew bottom page koresh adonai that this mean david writing this
alt.atheism	smullyanism for day article tpi pepper east sun geoff east sun geoff arnold sun bos coast top writes this raymond smullyan quote big for sig deserves posting imho big for sig keith home billdboard sig files ryan private note jennifer fakult this post sarcasm cycnicism irony humor aware this possibility and not confused and thrown for loop doubt assume owners this account not responsiblity for your confusion result your inability recognize read your risk jennifer
alt.atheism	christian morality article apr nott kax nott kevin anthoney writes article eastman dps nasa kodak writes fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you difference believing existence entity and loving that entity god show directly that exists and free choice whether love not doesn kevin anthoney kax nott don you read sig files kevin makes good point and that theists miss that belief diety not necessarily coupled agreement love that diety another bit convincing belief guess standard argumet once you god you god love and you will choose love wasnt widely accepted and asserted laughable regards adam adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws understand another fear your comprehension gandalf
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak dan schaertel writes article ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko writes dan schaertel dps nasa kodak wrote love god loves seduce you rape rape simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you your argument type you once you atheists sincerely and believed for years eventually honest admit that had lived virtual reality christians and nothing work for not for doesn give insight into god truth religion dependent solely individual individually created and since christians failed show life ours not attempt even attractive learn you accept that you don this mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don this not prefer learn unwise swallow you read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn helped daily problems you accept this since you can whether true not asks you swallow fact jesus warns you question you beleive you learn history class for that matter school mean people told you and you don want swallow will nerver for told truth not bit evidence pointing fact that military conflict vietnam years ago supernatural diety live fact that jesus warned means nothing warn big deal life death and resurection christ documented historical fact this not true two choices life and death scantily documented and last total malarky bible and that totally circular perhaps use imagination ignorance will address this and refer you plenty documentation you learn you choose and not argue that george washington myth never lived don proof told major events life jesus christ fortold hundreds years neat trick this nothing disgusting christian attempts manipulate interpret testament filled signs for coming christ reference stick bit wood autmoatically interpreted cross miscarriage philology into sceptical heart you can not you sincere effort attitude you you trust not church and participate activities you willing die for you believed since skeptical hearts goodness into irreconcilable difference christians glorify exactly tend despise snub trust belief faith knowledge lucky day and happen thinking god time enkephalins associate this sign god will feel and will trust knowing religosity not that conclusively arrived sudden affliction willing die for believed not question suchg attitude reflective correct healthy morality not thing reflect fanaticism for example and case expression simple selfishness adam adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws understand another fear your comprehension gandalf
alt.atheism	soc religion christian found this gem don interest comments commited christian that battling problem that romans talks saved faith not deeds hebrews and james that faith deeds useless you fools you that believing fully believing life totally lead and not god romans that person saved faith bit that god preferes cold doesn condemned lukewarm christian and believes god doesn make attempt live bible opinion that you saved faith alone not you taught romans can square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian spat can this bothers christ will adam adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws understand another fear your comprehension gandalf
alt.atheism	college atheists article apr nuscc nus cmtan iss nus tan chade meng dan writes andrew cmu edu nanci ann miller writes nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes read article poll students ivy league schools reported that students indentified atheists this lot higher general population reasons for this discrepancy intelligent younger this wave future figure for general population last heard americans reincarnation can quote stat don stat read generally that smoking and belief supernatural occultish garbage rise guess that ease ideas and thoughts communicated college campus world theists forced contend and listen atheists and theists religions bound change beliefs years run funny country works round univ life stressful for people remember asian population xtians prey people run this interesting thing principle sort philosophical ideas generally and tested college years whether idea christian atheist doesn matter atheists intelligent unenlightened tan chade meng wise man tells wife that understands singapore cmtan iss nus fool prove regards adam adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper macalstr edu had claws understand another fear your comprehension gandalf
alt.atheism	thoughts christian books this liar lunatic real thing last time time turn can debate straight face perhaps for completely ridicule gather posts last two times this and email can you that book published this vanity press recomend visit your local christian bookstore and become aware stuff sell quite interesting stuff intelectual level chick pamphelets common fundie bookstore section you hate wiccans pagans catholics mormons rock musicians and not fanatical hate for love god even interesting watching people frequent such places scary people hear voices god telling want hear not christians locked this federal money reduced mental institutions reagan administration had religious leaders christianity jesus fifteen years time for good behavior york state senator james donovan capitol punishment alan beware touch wires instant death found this will prosecuted
alt.atheism	means human parsifal article apr ucla edu brad pierce pierce ucla edu writes bedrock spiritual unreason belief that resonant theology full reason even based false premises etc etc ill defined terms spirit transcendental mind consciousness ultimate reality soul elan vital etc meaning sadly adherents spiritual movements seldom satisfied hold meaning consciousness mind this harmless illogicality inexorably drawn belief illogicality primacy spiritual and transcendental material and empirical primacy pipe dreams jabberwocky and illusion facts science and reason since for instance behaviourist psychology pipe dream surely major purpose science psychology understand workings mind creatures feelings thoughts perceptions processes and phenomena manifestations mundane matter energy space and time albeit not supplicate god not atheists manifestations mundane sounds transcendental fact matter energy space and time measured mysterious concepts atheist your reductionism cast not true faith richard wilson logica industry
alt.atheism	christian morality acooper mac macalstr edu turin turambar department utter misery dan schaertel article quoting you learn you choose and not argue that george washington myth never lived don proof told major events life jesus christ fortold hundreds years neat trick this nothing disgusting christian attempts manipulate interpret testament filled signs for coming christ reference stick bit wood autmoatically interpreted cross miscarriage philology worthwhile pointing that appellation rabbi jesus had full grasp contemporary scripture mat jesus saith never read scriptures mat jesus answered and err not knowing mat scriptures power god this wonderful position fulfil prophesies and mat scriptures fulfilled mat that mat this that scriptures mat prophets fulfilled disciples mat forsook and fled books comprising referred scripture had not accessible matter tony
alt.atheism	another request for darwin fish gang notes recently asking obtain darwin fish this question and not answer net contact post net email john chadwick johnchad triton unm edu
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alt.atheism	faq sheet mike mcangus mam mouse cmhnet org wrote news announce newusers article can remember that recommends reading newsgroup for month posting this makes sense you idea players and current discussions that advice spent month reading not atheists even printed faqs and discussed friend started posting alt atheism deals religious issues appropriately lack religious beliefs nature controversial makes sense read discussed and make you not repeating petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game
alt.atheism	gulf war death penalty political atheists mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote details built chemical plant alteer baghdad plant intended use aid iraqi infrastructure not example selling weapon sound nitpicking refuse sell valuable parts that build infrastructure dual use technology contending that this case and case sale pesticides companies that knew full that used for production chemical weapons even that not officially stated purpose personally don that letting iran conquer iraq good thing for that matter for reasons you state hypocrisy and claims not iraq that make angry fact that usa interfere sees fit interest duty intervene required this demonstrated failure east timor and region destabilised usa approaching thing reservations uncessary number civillian casualites for wholly wrong reasons and hand creating situation that affect military action iraq not suggest and ridiculous assert simply indicating usa previously aided iraq intel manufacturing techniques that nature apparently data orginally satellites doubt that iraq raw data troop concentrations aaron turner aaron minster york
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long shamim zvonko mohamed sham arizona edu wrote bullshit gulf massacre ordnance used smart rest that regular dumb iron bombs and stuff you forgotten that pentagon definition successful patriot launch missile cleared launching tube damage that successful interception scud defined patriot and scud passed each area sky and that smart stuff hit follow that means this smart arsenal missed used full figures this including tons bombs dropped and number cluster bomblet munitions used had heard laser guided weapons hit unprecedented rate success iron weapons hit unprecedented rough estimate this means tons bombs dropped aircraft tons missed not proportion this dropped baghdad troop concentrations iraq and kuwait tonnage dropped cluster munitions mrls rounds and artillery rounds napalm and fuel air explosives used remember told that weapons mass destruction such fae naughty
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote this figure below figures accurate you explain discrepancy that figure and figures international organizations figures place hit ratio close higher your your figure bomb missed plane and bomb never hit target whether not bomb dropped such methods used time lie statistics answering last sentence claimed that had success rate initially explaining pressed that this meant that aircraft back dropped bombs whether had hit intended target aaron turner
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote prove source that that date civilian death count excuse mean collateral damage never source that claiming such figure post source reliability can judged this figure not simply deaths bombing death disease sewer system baghdad deliberately targeted and starvation copy latest research june july that this figure proposed census bureau report matter report suppressed and attempted sack author report failed due procedural technicality author permanent leave aaron turner
alt.atheism	gulf war selling arms mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote heard arms sale saudi arabia such grave mistake sell saudi arabia weapons you claiming that shouldn sell weapons countries straightforward answer saudi arabia oppressive regime that recently interfering politcs newly renunified yemen including assasinations and border incursions that will invade unluckily for yemen not popular west managed put political differences reunification and west effectively lost half north client state aaron turner
alt.atheism	free moral agency article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes deleted stuff andrew wrt atheist myth bill andrew myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion absurd counterfeit atheists hmmmm cheap knock offs true atheists religion demonstrates absurd constantly personally asks happy point this approach religion including christainity rational manner and debating claims stated atheists concoct outrageous parodies and hold religious accountable for beliefs don accurately oxymoric term reasonable atheist man your pill wrt atheists you make such contentious statements back read news time and time hashed beliefs religous doctrines hold debating makes statement accurately oxymoric term reasonable atheist responses tammy pretty reasonable nay even polite accusations myths flyin good example read post acoording means referring christian doctrine understand speaking for you purpose posting present basic overview christain doctrines since germane your reference original article you such excellent job spewing dogma that implication pretty clear wrong this case jeez misunderstanding statements wrap this thing you read post care read faq wouldn this conversation you had written your post care faq wouldn this discussion gems evidence deleted human reason come back existence god this discussion not jeez point this you this discussion not instances human reason your implication false this interesting truth determined politically correct content granted extremely unhip wasp male and european contemptable thought this kind dialogue purpose truth things remember oxymoron reasonalble atheist and understand lame can you truth things read faq carefully report your findings purpose find truth things and stop impressing your misguided image atheists pissing bill
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alt.atheism	free moral agency article voinnr lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chris faehl writes myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion absurd counterfeit atheists hmmmm cheap knock offs true atheists theists disguise event don create religious parodies actual religions absurd mand mdeep thoughts mby jack handey mif you parachuting and your parachute doesn open and your friends watching you fall funny gag pretend you swimming
alt.atheism	atheism survey research atheism part involves field research net survey directed readers this group intended data basis atheistic belief each and you fill and mail back mtabbott unix amherst edu structure questions that can answered variety ways varying amounts detail give succinct answers you typing for hours detail you want give mean great important for broad base individuals even minimal responses nothing short survey you answer questions elaboration secondly hope questions don come obnoxious that phrases convince you existence god imply that seminary student intent proving you ignorant godless heathens fact not existence higher power use god question locution ideology easier repeating deity higher power time tend use lot anthropological buzzwords belief system you contend that you don beliefs skeptical understand you mean such buzzwords abbreviations for unweildy phrases required precise idea across lastly fill you can detail you can and send research and you you place your beliefs spectrum theism agnosticism weak atheism strong atheism feel free elaborate your specific beliefs religious tradition you raised you existence god questions presume that answer this you atheist never theist you modify question answer somewhat your your family involvement and you start doubt tenets you raised and your final break your beliefs occur realize that this ongoing process event per case describe detail you contact atheists you had and and your conversion atheism your involvement alt atheism counts net discussions affected your beliefs extent you atheists influenced you your beliefs you come your beliefs discussion independent means combination two means you convinced that your beliefs acquired wholly rational means proofs existence god etc perhaps part means alienation mainstream religion etc extent you feel you understand universe your beliefs phenomena universe and human existence physical phenomena problem existence evil human affairs you feel adequately dealt your beliefs and lacking explanatory method for you question change your beliefs convince you existence god convince you plausibility god existence and dynamic your beliefs constantly changing stayed for time you involved career education science extent you science influenced your beliefs issac asimov claimed that science secular religion and that scientists real sense priesthood you pursuit science quasi religious base even religious element this survey intended data broad range individuals narrow field small group people ideas and histories you willing basis this survey write you find you and your beliefs not fine your filling survey alone great feel free contact you questions this data you addition asked mark abbott mtabbott unix amherst
alt.atheism	americans and evolution free ockham razor inside delay responding due conference paper deadline panic article qsnqqinn senator bedfellow mit edu bobs thnext mit edu robert singleton writes article apr dcs warwick simon dcs warwick simon clippingdale writes alarming amounts agreement deleted made statement ockums razor experiences physics for info baysian statistics interesting and didn follow your proof questions two hypotheses and complicated definition means that complicated isn fact comes complement and axiom sense necessarily complicated for and splitting hairs that irrespective subjective impressions complicated holds equality and you point simple matter show and preferd that consistent data can you elaborate this means that likely observed operative operative this implies that observing not provide information discriminate respective possibilities that and operative difference reduces difference unknown and unhelpful prior probabilities and and and equally consistent data that observing doesn give pointers operative case and that prior probabilities ordered don actual values and this deploy razor throw such real world isn clear cut and dry can determine whether equality true that true point whether not divine component underlies prevalence religion addition memetic transmission component even religious implicitly acknowledge operative talk spreading word that observed variance religious belief accounted for memetic transmission model proposes divine component addition since expect conspire wide variance and even mutual exclusion beliefs personal feeling that isn even equal this case smaller memetic transmission divine component variance beliefs happily acknowledge that this subjective impression btw beef your baysian argument not mathematical checked your work and didn find error and you careful isn math mistake mistake philosophical make understand you can rephrase technical terms this reasonable request for ways explaining physics physicist not baysian statistician type statistician this helpful not that statistician such idea that theism and atheism compatible read observations date theism type concerned suggests that for instance prayer answered people miraculously healed principle amenable statistical verification and that god generally intervene measurable ways this means that regions space observations loosely termed appearances god nonzero probability theistic hypothesis and atheistic since probability for each hypothesis scatter observation space probability theism expends making appearances god come observations equal this means that observation isn appearance god slightly higher probability atheism theism bayesian stuff implies that such observations running estimate for probability atheistic hypothesis increase decrease running estimate for probability theistic hypothesis that bit jargonesque difficult put since depend intimately properties conditional probability densities and that total area unity analogy not helpful that hypothesis coin fair and that coin unfair two headed used and avoid confusion heads and tails total total observations string heads tails this compatible fair coin and two headed coin probability expended making appearance tails even don come since total unity and comes this case probability appearance heads running estimates time and observation time another head estimates modified and don actual prior probability head multiplier for half that for this true time coin tossed and head observed initial values estimates heads and and since time you can show that and estimate for fair coin hypothesis decrease each trial and that for two headed coin hypothesis increase even hypotheses compatible string heads loose analogy unfair coin and atheism and fair coin and theism observations consistent tail falsify unfair coin analogous appearance god falsify atheism not claiming that analogy extends numerical values probabilities that principle constant observation evidence for gods evidence for respective theisms constantly increases notional estimated probability that don exist important draw distinction theism that supported not supported evidence and theism that can theism for evidence principle not doesn make sense lack evidence supports contrary view quite this type theism call terms ockham razor discussion and bin grounds depends your conception this god conception zeus happened come earth play quite frequently agree you lack evidence for this conception god evidence that not exist your conception god that not make falsifiable predictions below falsifiable predictions disagree lack evidence not support disbelief hypotheses don falsifiable and model theism isn falsifiable used phrase obverse specific theism not make prediction that used word theism makes predictions specific event can that god such and such such and such happens god will such and such for can never priori can not even this for set this don your use probability assigning probabilities hold science positivistic criteria cannot measure even principle probability not applicable hypothesis such case theistic and atheistic for example measure you don don analogy prior probabilities deduce that updating multiplier for fair coin hypothesis unity and that multiplier for two headed coin hypothesis greater unity you don initial values running estimates clear that large number observations fair coin approaches and two headed coin approaches unity you whether larger for observed and this follows assumptions that events rendered not not and equal baysian statistics relies series observations hypothesis isn amenable observation and even for statements that amenable observation observations not relevant sequence observations chosen care curious types observations you mind theism and atheism observations you doesn matter affect reasoning provided that observations count appearances god examples this demonstration efficacy prayer veracity revelation statement for general counts prediction theism question that prayer answered that miracles happen interpretation quoted god exists means this prediction for such distinguishes atheist hypothesis predicts that this stuff not happen for such theism not make claim that for such that theism doesn quick had common language you that existence god you mean notion that deity described bible and christians interact universe claimed agents agreed this careful this not making claims changed can important shift emphasis since belief cannot conclude for such downgrade interact interact since interact implies falsifiability agree misplaced don theism makes predictions not understanding you mean prediction you explain you mean this word explain bear mind that this isn central require theism that not make prediction appearances god will never happen atheism points that quantum mechanics doesn make this prediction difference that and atheism not form partition predictions include such statements prayer efficacious implying you stats you will find that prayer efficacious prayer not efficacious verily you this generation not pass till things fulfilled don problems misunderstanding persistent observation this stuff not happening consistent consistent explained bayesian stats post even god exists unfalsifiable that problem for argument that you number observations infinity falsify asymptotically btw not argument that requires infinite number observations valid that part argument not valid existing humans can never make infinite number measurments and conclusion that reilies this don accept valid that fine don claim that theism false that finite number observations suggest that and that continue observe suggestion and renormalization stuff deleted bayesian stats post assumed that theism unfalsifiable finite number observations relevant quote important assumption that observations compatible theist hypothesis and not atheist hypothesis and falsify atheism called appearances god this not literally observation requires for explanation that gods exist will count observations assumed compatible hypotheses this leaves theism unfalsifiable and atheism falsifiable single observation such appearances god problem this for falsifiable make prediction that not hypothesis falsified atheism word oposition theism theism aserts belief and atheism aserts disbelief atheisms that falsifiable theisms that falsifable theism asserts world years and that god not decieve this falsified atheism that oposition unfalsifiable theism unfalsifiable wrong this statment contd you appearance god sufficient falsify atheism general theism unfalsifiable general question suppse unfalsifiable not unfalsifiable counterexample coin fair accurately that not makes sense two sides coin this unfalsifiable tossing coin even string heads consistent fair coin and you infinite number tosses falsify limit converse falsifiable and falsified head and tail appeared this partly wrong you baysian argument requires observations made simply such observations that truth relation statement god exists use your symmetry argument can understand since statement god not exist makes predictions will choose not this founded type faith you don word faith insert belief for falsifiable evidence assume you meant god exists highlight agreed definition exists statement makes predictions isn falsifiable finite number observations mean god not exist makes predictions oops mea culpa truth this statment depends god you refering can conceptions god for true once open posibility that wrong give examples predictions statment god not exist that can true healing miricles this can principle never determined cases people recover and healed doctor and for reason situations fact happen consistent theistic hypothesis support such hypothesis agree not inconsistent atheistic hypothesis can prediction god not exist that isn this type missing rapture will not happen october rapture falsified atheism satisfaction had happened failure happen not falsify theisms specifically predicted phenomenon requires existence gods for explanation will observed that sums thing bob singleton bobs thnext mit edu cheers simon simon clippingdale simon dcs warwick department computer science tel university warwick fax coventry
alt.atheism	thoughts healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes tammy maddi trimmed healy you practice you getting hang give you nickname for size tammy lucky healy tammy pass falafel healy tammy healy tammy learning healy maddi never post hausmann maddi hausmann madhaus netcom centigram communications corp san jose california kids don this home remember post professionally
alt.atheism	free moral agency article kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan writes mand mdeep thoughts mby jack handey mif you parachuting and your parachute doesn open and your friends watching you fall funny gag pretend you swimming you fall opens gravity not good idea law dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	religion islamic authority women scott sauyet ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu wrote works for horrors history claim that christianity had crusades inquisition deny awesome power that comes faith absolute you twisting reasonable statement that religion never solitary evil into unreasonable statement that religion had evil impacts history that absurd scott this paragraph willingly amend earlier statements since your point made and generally accurate this last part slips into hyperbole since discussed objections such generalizations don feel you haven posts maddi saves write bill
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes article idi fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes you that islamic bank bcci you care explain that hope islamic bank bcci you called childish propagandist obvious reason make jump bcci islamic bank associating islamic banking muslim ownership this case hoped that bcci not islamic bank and reason generalize islamic bank islamic banks stereotype bad bad this case hoped that bcci not islamic bank you bosnia tap this case hoped that bcci not islamic bank jon
alt.atheism	free moral agency article dba dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau writes article fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes deletion conner bobby mozumder myth performing artist real moslem crackpot provocateur you and read minds don you side note isn telling that cannot for bobby mozunder firm believer provocateur that religious beliefs that insightful comment time people bill projector conner complaining that posting parodies jon
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes ioh fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article qgm news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes this doesn want kill you can that decide sounds you confused want and morally jon you mean your idea apply kill you that decided mean want not automatically translate into that not translate that for you reply that kill you that decided that means that for you want translate into doesn translate that for jon
alt.atheism	societal basis for morality article apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes you asked back reply cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb morals come societally accepted follow that expect follow notion societally mandated morality pardon extremism couldn murder your brother and that exercising rights felt good didn want forcing morality don follow your morality that morality subjective each person entitled moral attitudes mine not priori correct elses this not mean that judge another basis moral standards entitled moral sense tells rest society entitled pass laws spelling punishments for behavior that offensive majority your last statement authority criminals not behavior moral realize that immoral and not care not moral system immoral for lay claim alternative moral system sincere belief and internally consistent your last statement things and belief terrorism can sincere and frighteningly consistent sociopaths lack innate moral sense and incapable behaving morally hitler believed that actions moral judge immoral standards holding that morality subjective not mean that excuse murderer trouble this sound fine coming hitler not mean comparison offence david substituting social minority your choice for sociopath hitler and murderer logical difference you hitler sum frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	faith and dogma reply tgk toronto edu todd kelley light happened waco chest faith and dogma dangerous agreed philosopher cannot christian philosopher can change mind christian cannot due nature faith and dogma present religion hard for understand quite professional scientists and philosophers theists religion good qualities encourages benevolence and philanthropy intolerance and superstition not that balance not detrimental wouldn nice secular humanist david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes not position since nothing situation that not estimation qualify head ass bob never accused you your head your ass takes quite time dealing accusing head ass accusing original poster benedikt impaired insult gregg resorts lies article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes you flesh bit miss full grandeur content virtue blinding atheism you difficulty light you your head your ass suggest making this not case posting that original answer not that head necessarily ass meaningless and pointless not insinuated benedikt
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article fpv horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes deletion point morals essence personal opinions ideally founded motivated such nonetheless personal fact that real large lot people agree moral question sometimes even for reason not make morals objective makes humans somewhat alike opinions that moral question can good for evolution social species and real large lot nice phrase people agree that football desk supposed logical difference two perhaps you can explain difference since you rest deleted that fallacy and not time pointed for you never set morals people agree unlike football you conveniently ignore that not agree tghe morality analogy not hold can expect sufficiently people agree football you give evidence that vanishing number disagrees set morals you give evidence not proof proof evolve testing your theory absolute morals competing theories arguments you reiterate you never answer objections evidence that you preacher benedikt
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics article jcinnt lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chris faehl writes correction hard atheism faith can faith weak atheism had that benedikt
alt.atheism	theism and fanatism islamic genocide article horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism deletion theism correlated fanaticism that fanatism caused theism that theism leads fanatism point theism increases chance fanatic argue that fanatics tend theism for example loook times history theism dominant ideology invalidate that conclusion that that basic mechanism imo influence stalin for that matter ayn rand invalidates your assumption that theism factor considered bogus that theism not factor for fanatism point that theism factor gullibility blind obedience authority lack scepticism and reliable indicators and dangerous people sources fanaticism things cynical manipulators gullible precisely that claim you support note that field theism leaders brands theism and precisely theists tend fanaticism grant you tar theists this brush bigotry not reasoned argument and reads warm for censorship and restriction religious freedom read animal farm that straw man and discussions you repeat read written not theism leads fanatism and not fanatism caused theism point correlation and comes innate features theism gullibility and that forbid religion another your straw men interesting that you nothing offer define irrational belief rational that reason irrational belief belief that not based reason discussed for long time charley wingate point that beliefs violate reason and another that process that not lend rational analysis not reliable information glaring paradox argument that reason based reason circular and argument not based reason irrational that bogus reference not circular and since evaluation usefulness rational systems allowed your argument silly proving mathematical statements mathematics and mathematics therfore circular part second statement contains information you don beliefs beliefs strong theism and strong atheism your statement not general true second part your sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum not lend rational analysis assumed reliable information process used obtain speaking religious systems contradictory definitions god axiomatic datum lends rational analysis you refuted fallacy discussion axiom choice and can evaluate axioms larger systems derived exist derived you want that can test consistency and set axioms you compared evidence theists for claims strength demands makes thing not irrational antirational can agree this you specific theism that theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect you not traditonal definition gods personal supernatural entities objective effects this world connected morals and world works affinity fanatism easily true nothing work hypothesis beliefs work hypothesis don understand this can you formalise your argument person believes system becuase sounds nice that not make true work hypothesis content that true and that work hypothesis testing evaluating evidence for dismissed believed wrong waste time not depending contents amalekites idolaters protestants killed this can interesting effects answer question absolute set morals people agree agree football football benedikt
alt.atheism	islamic authority women article racm darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes can recall claiming that god makes act particlar that you attempting manufacture contradiction world creator god moment creates world and sayi that you can recall even below your usual standard arguing argument based quite usual theistic assumptions god perfect god knowing god sets rules rules don work for reason omniscience god advance deletion that defined contadictorily cannot exist asking you existence depend grammar you can that poorly defined that insufficient decide confusion not question grammar question modelling discussed wonderful time you not posting this group contradictorily defined not point instance reality information definition that find contradictory attribute essential not that attribute not for can conclude that not exist your point that reasons for phenomenon belief object belief lead rat nest unnecessary complexity you implying your version this alternative that quite predict coins falling predicted happened heads tails tails tails heads tails heads tails and dismiss rest unnecessary complexity evidence for easy understand explanation humans gods read manwatching desmond morris benedikt
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long jbrown batman bmd trw writes don regret fact that sometimes military decisions made affect lives innocent people regret circumstances make decisions and regret suffering caused decisions afraid kill you don worry loving christian guarantee that will regret fact that kill you won regret actual killing hadn intervened allowing hussein kuwait appeasement you hear advocate such action you setting strawman not setting strawman you want argue war logical alternative hussein kuwait false dichotomy diplomatic alternatives including sanctions ineffective that weren even attempted didn support hitler dreams conquest not democratically voted for policies nsdap elections and that last chance german people vote matter suffered rest this bother you you want bothers that thousands innocent people maimed killed bombing end clear that such bombing world full evil and circumstances not perfect innocents suffer due wrongful actions regretable that and that set things that this happening gulf war didn send bombers east timor aren sending bombers not saviors world can police each and country that decides destruct invade another that oil that make success communism strategic position relief tibet east timor places don that getting forces east timor harder getting iraq tibetan people rounded tortured and executed amnesty international recently reported that torture widespread china aren stopping fact actively sucking trading freely stop and support for not agree present policy sucking you put agree that deplorable fine write your congressman and president clinton china status favoured nation comes for renewal june point that shouldn offering favourable trading terms such despicable regime doubt will happen clinton keener trade sanctions europe unbelievable comments rodney king case deleted media not totally monolithic even prevailing liberal bias programs such macneil lehrer news hour give balanced and fair reporting news even conservative sources you hurrah for rush idea kill files you ended atheist arguing killing innocent people you supposed christian arguing that kill innocent people long you guilty didn that good thing kill innocent people end don live perfect world and perfect solutions resist tyranny innocent people sides suffer and die didn unfortunate sometimes ends justify means you criticised moral relativism past arguing that position judge morality allied actions end war you not such position you moral relativist tired misunderstanding moral relativism means that objective standard morality doesn mean you can judge people morals christ bike times hammer that into your head your christian love your absolute morality quick you discard suits you ivan stang jesus puke day will stand jesus and give account word and action even this discourse this forum understand full ramifications that and prepared don that you can make claim not atheist don you jesus long haired lunatic peace nik not and btw reason brought blanket bombing germany you bemoaning iraqi civilian casualties deplorable blanket bombing instituted bombing wasn accurate hit industrial military targets decisive method that time gulf war precision bombing norm point make big stink relatively civilian casualties that resulted spite precision bombing civilians proportionately and quantitatively died blanket bombing for you turned that opinions matter consistent that condemned bombing dresden you bit glib your explanation blanket bombing policy you make sound aiming for military targets and destroying civilian buildings door understand that not case aimed deliberately civilian targets order massive damage and inspire terror german people civilians suffer civilians suffered this war iany history come wars falklands fresh people minds that sort propaganda isn fool stories hundreds thousands iraqi civilian dead plain bunk bunk lost servicemen years and majority directly involved fighting and millions casualties russians suffered surprising didn lose men that you turned late mathew
alt.atheism	gulf war selling arms jbrown batman bmd trw writes mathew agree this crux your position isn that shouldn supported hussein and sold arms fight iran agree and agree ruthlessly hunting sell arms hussein and deal invades kuwait sit back and sold arms suppose use bad for kuwait sitting back and letting things not correct mistake destroying hussein military potential move agree your statement reagan and bush made grave error judgment sell arms hussein happening that entire point last month john major hailed great victory that had personally secured sale arms saudi arabia month sold jet fighters indonesian government that busy killing east timorese oops made boo boo clean mistake and making mistake that can not deliberate this suspicion reinforced fact that mistake extremely profitable for decrepit economy reliant arms sales not gulf war you abhor and west shortsightedness selling arms hussein ultimately made war inevitable thought terrible mathew
alt.atheism	gulf war death penalty political atheists mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes looked back this and asked questions people and information had claimed and you pooh poohed not sold iraq arms land mines mentioned countries kuwait information hard prove you claiming that sold information prove information hard prove almost sell information that fact classified and you can prove neat dismiss can prove shadow doubt you admit can never prove your satisfaction stick squaring circles mathew
alt.atheism	gulf war and peace niks jbrown batman bmd trw writes problem peace niks not bad and unconscionable not argument problem peace nik held ideals and stayed conflicts issues dealing national defense not willing legitimately hold point view militate and times resort violence name peace yawn another wing wasp imagining oppressed minority perhaps camille paglia not argument problem peace nik stayed conflicts issues bet you wouldn you love makes you that sitting back nothing defense issues and letting people you make decisions ideals mathew
alt.atheism	strong weak atheism acooper mac macalstr edu turin turambar department utter misery writes that faq modified define strong atheists not assert nonexistence god assert that nonexistence god word mathew
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic verses perry dsinc jim perry writes since this line discussion rest readership read this book your thoughts bought copy satanic verses talk british government banning nothing interests book making illegal sitting shelf unread perhaps round pile lem bulgakov and zamyatin don find time read fact interesting things can find time for manages bored didn sleep manage mathew atheism anti virus software for mind
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article apr bnr rashid writes article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger wrote made clear claim that khomeini advocates views contradition qur and arguments for this this that can checked sufficiently interested khomeini dead can respond another poster supports khomeini responded obfuscationist sophistry this quite clear atheists susceptible religionist modes obfuscationism don mind this example obfuscation condemn even your basic facts straight you want examples back and your previous posts you manage your facts wrong fatwa and khomeini supposed infallibility shouldn mind sounds you proceeding sort obfuscation you accused preceeded statements understanding that made claim clear regard issue twelve imams and khomeini supposed claim infalibility hearing your seemingly knowledgable claim that khomeini made such claim withdrawn that portion statement that claim received such response infallibility twelve imams nothing obfuscationist claims made received such clear response twelve imams abstruse references unusual metaphysical natures and such opaque concepts used people camoflage baselessness positions matters theology sorts concepts used christian churches perverting religion salaam laikum alaikum wassalam gregg
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article apr bnr rashid writes article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger wrote reading this group benefit knowing deviant view articulated not true view khomeini basic principles islam that muslim readers this group will simple basics islam such views face and not contradiction basics islam subtle such issues and sects exist islam explicitly proscribed qur discussing fine start thread called infallibility islam and move discussion this illuminating make suggestion arabic words technical become use define for atheists not terribly familiar note that initially refer khomeini heretic for understood claim rejected you since personal infallibility withdraw this basis for such statement conditionally retain this reference regard khomeini advocacy thesis infallibility called twelve imams clear conflict qur that places twelve imams category behavior and example higher that muhammad that qur shows that prophet fallible appears your abstruse theological statment natures twelve imams placing metaphysical category remainder humanity exception muhammad verges sin association salam laikum alaikum wassalam gregg
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau writes article fpv horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes deletion point morals essence personal opinions ideally founded motivated such nonetheless personal fact that real large lot people agree moral question sometimes even for reason not make morals objective makes humans somewhat alike opinions that moral question can good for evolution social species and real large lot nice phrase people agree that football desk supposed logical difference two perhaps you can explain difference since you rest deleted that fallacy and not time pointed not fallacy note supermajority disinterested people agree fundamantal not ethics benedikt difference that and people agreeing trivial observation for you never set morals people agree unlike football you conveniently ignore that not agree tghe morality analogy not hold example people agree and explained people will agree that freedom valuable stated that such condition for objective ethics assertion and that talking isn point talking ethics this can agreed can expect sufficiently people agree football you give evidence that vanishing number disagrees set morals you give not morals ethics can past values cogent objection freedom example that people aren talking thing answer that valuable not and want this implications true evidence not proof proof evolve testing your theory absolute morals competing theories garbage that not proof arguments you reiterate you never answer objections evidence that you preacher name that fallacy frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	studies book mormon tue apr gmt cfairman leland stanford edu carolyn jean fairman cjf agrino enkidu mic andres grino brandt asks mormons cjf don personally independent sudies cjf things cjf writes mention events places historical persons discovered archeologist cjf amusing things bom claim that cjf civilization existed north america aroun mystical plates cjf found not use steel and metals had cjf lots wars found metal swords cjf and traces civilization native americans talking head archeology dept once college and topic mormon archeology that mormon church big giving grants archeologists prove that native americans lost tribe israel and such bunk archeologists shake head knowingly listening grant and real archeology mccreary edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	science and theories per threads science and creationism started dabbling into book called christianity and nature science moreland question that had come comments stated that god not necessarily religious term used scientific terms that give explanation for events theories proven scientific fact point can quote section vague examples gave quarks and continental plates explanations science parts theories that not measurable and can quantified measured tested etc mac michael cobb and won raise taxes middle university illinois class pay for programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	age reason read rushdie wed apr gmt sandvik newton apple kent sandvik this story kent archetype finn that lives bay area and purchase thomas paine age reason this man driving staceys books inc cleanlighted place daltons places asked for this book educated american book store assistants asked check thriller section that book not published receive book places assistants bluntly that don such author that not living author don copies books such life and times america years revolution sigh don feel bad searching for copy bookstores habit mine for two years spend lot time browsing bookstores and and used and not once copy pick phone and order darned thing come this america and founding fathers and carries books you can find common sense that required reading for colleges find hole wall bookstore owner that carry two copies that haven back since don telling truth not sigh mccreary edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	science and theories article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes examples gave quarks and continental plates sounds gods used describe almost past come understand underpinnings and credit god not understood elements author includes quarks and tectonic drift guess that describing perceived patterns stars sky heroes immortalized gods kinda sounds earth creation that life evolve common ancestor caused that initial common ancestor hear another debate causeless events explanations science parts theories that not measurable and can quantified measured tested etc mac michael cobb frank doss stated words opinions and not reflect opinions attitudes policies employer affilliated organizations
alt.atheism	theism and fanatism islamic genocide article dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau writes article tqo ook horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism deletion theism correlated fanaticism that fanatism caused theism that theism leads fanatism point theism increases chance fanatic argue that fanatics tend theism for example loook times history theism dominant ideology invalidate that conclusion that that basic mechanism imo influence stalin for that matter ayn rand invalidates your assumption that theism factor considered bogus that theism not factor for fanatism point that theism factor that your claim back your argument belief strongly correlated fanaticism belief factor fanaticism true and utterly useless note this belief not belief gods tiring backed read statement read conspicuous absence evidence point fallacy wrong analogy believes information person theist holds information correlation theists and fanatism higher that belief and fanatism special features theistic belief truth blatant assertion evidence gullibility blind obedience authority lack scepticism and reliable indicators and dangerous people sources fanaticism things cynical manipulators gullible precisely that claim you support note that field theism leaders you that you incredibly naive you frank dwyer living dream world base discussion left such statement matter fact you ignorant human nature even starts not gets easily fooled into believing give you benefit doubt prove your statement onus proof you sunshine makes you that theist leaders thing and another thing closely opposite practice not restricted theism for almost epidemic this country for instance harder for camel pass eye needle catholic church such wealthy land owner churches square inch country brands theism and precisely theists tend fanaticism grant you tar theists this brush bigotry not reasoned argument and reads warm for censorship and restriction religious freedom read animal farm that straw man and discussions you repeat read written not theism leads fanatism and not fanatism caused theism point correlation and comes innate features theism comes features theism common fanaticism your last statement simply isn implied you you sneak innate features theism word you groping for bogus not theism fanatic rest backup for statement correlation fanatism and theism and specialty theistic beliefs switch fanatism easily takes nifty improvement theology truth blatant assertion gullibility shit sherlock not talk gullibility theism since lot relevant case you opposed case you make theism that attraction gullible people causing correlation and discussion started that statement that theism meaningfully correlated fanatism you challenged recall asked for evidence correlation you speak and that forbid religion another your straw men interesting that you nothing offer reads warm that that irrational and bogus tirade and use creating nice split minds excitable people such found side church walls blah blah blah quite aware that giving rights protects fanatics round people fanatics never oneself your slur theists pretty fanatical quite nice that you implying connection that argument and rise fanatism another your assertions you can define irrational belief rational that reason irrational belief belief that not based reason discussed for long time charley wingate point that beliefs violate reason and another that process that not lend rational analysis not reliable information glaring paradox argument that reason based reason circular and argument not based reason irrational that bogus reference not circular and since evaluation usefulness rational systems allowed oval begging question and that allowed not rational and you claiming rational and another your assertions proof evidence claims hey learned you good risk repeating and hearing had that didn hear refutation back deal you can use reason demonstrate that reason thinks reason crap won buy you that unusually weak even for you implies that proof depends opinion not accept that triangles won accept pythagoras wow that incredible insight don prove wrong opinion show that systems leave information claims unreliable even absurd statements information totally circular and totally useless makes things judges appeal and not information makes you feel good you that good for contains zillions pitfalls belief despite contrary evidence bogus proofs attempt truth blatant assertion bogus proofs existence gods existence rational systems not mean that data come logical analysis point that evaluation data not contradict logic easily follows that such system not evaluate rational evaluate that rational system that not rational fallacies that system since validity axioms agreed that impact possibility demon ala descartes this doesn parse matter consistency use ratiional arguments show that system consistent that isn evaluation this predictions not rationality not contradict your argument silly proving mathematical statements mathematics and mathematics therfore circular godel silly stream consciousness typing that supposed mean part second statement contains information you don beliefs beliefs strong theism and strong atheism your statement not general true second part your sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum not lend rational analysis assumed reliable information process used obtain speaking religious systems contradictory definitions god axiomatic datum lends rational analysis you refuted fallacy discussion axiom choice and can evaluate axioms larger systems derived exist derived you want that can test consistency and set axioms you that point people wind this datum reliable for reason example not dreaming nope evidence for trick that choice axiomatic basis system difficult possibilities interwoven chooses that assumptions assumptions that information system this alleged evidence not define axioms order define evaluation method for usefulness foundation laid feels that not feels you irrational beliefs fanatics never compared evidence theists for claims strength demands makes thing not irrational antirational can agree this you specific theism that theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect you not traditonal definition gods personal supernatural entities objective effects this world connected morals and world works imo belief such gods necessarily irrational that not mean that people hold principle opposed exercise intelligence atheists scientists for example don use theism science wouldn science note that subjective data lend scientific treatment prohibit formulating objective statements ergo nothing objective fair affinity fanatism easily true nothing work hypothesis beliefs work hypothesis don understand this can you formalise your argument person believes system becuase sounds nice that not make true work hypothesis content that true and that work hypothesis testing evaluating evidence for dismissed believed wrong waste time not depending contents amalekites idolaters protestants killed this can interesting effects peculiar definition interesting show that belief gods entails contents you speak aren catholic neighbours killing protestants for example don conjunction asserts and jail kill dissenters that important and belief gods irrelevant axe grind example your neighbours fallacy that your neighbours don and times exactly that happened nope not fallacy doesn correlation you and not irrelevant such statements amalekites and idolaters holy books note that edit not relevant anymore gods don err that that message excuse holy books and come had theists genocides ordered god god easiest excuse and highly attracting fanatics not mention effect interpretation fanatics can rest believers happens and and god easiest excuse frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes reply frank frank dwyer problem for objectivist determine status moral truths and method can established accept that such judgements not reports relate naturalistic fallacy cannot proved facts nature world this can avoided two ways leaving good undefined since claims that not lying touch humanity undeserving reply good undefined undefinable you require that innately you back subjectivism and begging question below defining good solely terms evaluative terms ditto evaluative statement implies judgement part person making incorrect and question begging below this point objectivist talk evident truths pretty perceptive that prof flew can deny subjectivist claim that evidence mind beholder denying that subject object true dichotomy explain this helps don your argument don rest assertion that subject object nothing compelling that dichotomy divide world into subject object event even sensible causation for example event not subject object subject object true dichotomy subject object that statement evident truth not mind beholder relativist and compelling add that fact that world can quickly shoved entirety into subjective category idealist solipsist argument and that this perfectly good alternate set categories subject object event can reduced subject object quality logical difficulty and guess denying that evident truths mind beholder not left claim that moral judgements true nothing moral judgements true this thing that commonly referred nihilism entails that science irrepective fact that people find arrives relativism subjectivism this argument beats this makes sense flew arguing that this objectivist winds not subjectivist nihilists believed nothing science materialism revolution and people referring ethical nihilism subjectivist feel that that remains that moral judgements associate hold moral opinion suggests not true preferences human activity and preferences include terrorism that moral opinion not true likewise preferences include noterrorism that moral opinion not true choose set preferences include terrorisim includes noterrorism reason this patently absurd and not position subjectivist pointed you ditch strawman and reply mike cobb root message thread societal basis for morality responded btw don intend this strawman logically entailed relativism ethical system values assumed unreal relativists relativism implies frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	free moral agency article minster york cjhs minster york writes you that physical adam and eve and that humans direct decendents two human beings cain and wives couldn sisters didn daughters humans genesis and days adam begat seth hundred years and begat sons and daughters felicitations chris stuart yeah not wives wives nod apparently land developed another set gods brian
alt.atheism	room for metaphor can and religious writings metaphor for life this sorts fiction beowolf deep space idea not limit book screen good stuff you read and remember that story you sound buddist brian
alt.atheism	universe and black holes years article apr iastate edu iastate edu warren vonroeschlaub wrote article inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes suppose probe emitting radiation constant frequency black hole closer event horizon red shift increasing period longer and longer never stop observer not observe probe reaching event horizon detected energy probe decreasing wouldn vanish exp never quite reaches that kind meant precise observer single position event horizon that observer detect probe crossed event horizon observer rest respect singularity infinite distance observer close approach will particle finite time peter don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinners cry saints sinners fun good die young
alt.atheism	asimov stamp battin cyclops iucf indiana edu laurence gene battin writes apart suggestion that appeared letters column skeptical inquirer recently mention asimov commemorative stamp this idea hasn this happen that great idea start petition religious types snit due asimov atheism atheists stamps mark schnitzius schnitzi eola ucf edu university central florida
alt.atheism	amusing atheists and agnostics article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons writes nah will encourage people learn atheism atheists sleeves suspected quite riddle this god exist earth grovel earth give damm evidence you that such creature exist deserves mild admiration sheer hatred for past whichever god you care pick that assuming records actions correct religon offers bliss bubble contained reality seperate physical world belief system can leave you such state and can drugs god not requirement you remove such useless tappestry can you build set morals build society that exterminating don converting eric viruses life virus won you delete file you attempt erase file requires you counselor alternatives
alt.atheism	thoughts article rekj darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes james felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote logic alert argument incredulity hard for you this doesn mean that isn true liars can pursuasive koresh that you cite this basis great rejecting christian account things words madalyn murrey hair face folks silly disbelieve your incredulity you admit that fallacy bill suppose for reason that you not gods use arguments dismiss koresh god you not that koresh son god logic equally that koresh jesus reborn adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mips nott mae sig werth
alt.atheism	death penalty political atheists article rlyz darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes this fascinating atheists argue for abortion prove atheist doesn mean for abortion defend homosexuality means population control obvious effect homosexuality procreation that unlike your statement fact prove that homosexuality defended means population control atheist you hold beliefs defend homosexuality people bodies business defend equal rights humans you insist that values biological define values prove your statement contardictory cannot exist this case means atheists suppose prove your statement electrons waves electrons particles physical proof proof god ancient book that not indicative existence omnipotence omnipresence and your argument christians don exist understand atheist can object war excellent means controlling population growth capital punishment logic escapes and capital punishment questioned propriety killing punishment basis ecomplaint your earlier statements absolutely nothing your question you post show that athiests not existing your view humane christians religions secondly for control population growth logic that you cannot grasp ignorance contraception this outlawed sometimes literally religion since can create followers will die bill adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mips nott mae sig werth
alt.atheism	you will hell jsn jeremy scott noonan
alt.atheism	you will hell article apr ncsu edu aiken news ncsu edu wayne nmi aiken writes jsn psuvm psu edu wrote you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation leave terminal unattended holy temple mass slack ncsu edu used underwear consumption legal tender box bbs countries raleigh warning hoard pennies bob not jesus freak post jsn psuvm penn state loaded hilt bible bangers use vomit and reason left even had group stop playing rock music dining halls year cuz deemed satanic kampus krusade for khrist people run damn place for part liberal arts departments safe havens wdb rock music dining
alt.atheism	thoughts article therose pdx alan olsen fidonet org alan olsen writes alan olsen fidonet org alan olsen subject thoughts date wed apr house helios usq edu ron house newsgroups alt atheism organization university southern queensland bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrence bissell writes want start and that christian shouldn involved bit deleted book that jesus liar crazy modern day koresh rest rant deleted this standard argument for fundies can you spot falicy statement arguing assumption that jesus existed not offer real proof that existance thought defend point that jesus existed guys jesus existed didnt you that socrates didnt exist cuz jesus nothing hands that survived plato and record existance record jesus existance including babylonian talmud guys argument that jesus not existed dead point whether god whether god completely story flawed writings josh mcdowell and prove writers use flawed sources real sources not will learn real research believing drivel sold christian bookstores righto dan this your cornflakes book that muhammad liar crazy modern day mad mahdi reasons wouldn liar follows die for lie wouldn people liar people gathered and gathered hearing son law made sun stand call fool make sun stand niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous for example drawn mad mahdi fool logical people this since wasn liar lunatic real thing nice rebutal alan
alt.atheism	christian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak writes fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you difference believing existence entity and loving that entity god show directly that exists and free choice whether love not doesn kevin anthoney kax nott don you read sig files
alt.atheism	genocide caused theism evidence benedikt roseneau article horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes information that invariant your child son daughter and singing santa claus wasn your argument that assume exactly people debate disagree premises debate your favorite point that sense challenged once you good question and not address addressed your caricature not favourite point needless length previous outing and discussing eric rescorla point responding points give courtesy reply you repeat that point curious since that time made not that repetition imply your inability understand you question give you answer this case answer true give courtesy reply making points and pushed for time respond strongest formulations points that doesn include your post tough this usenet and life tough since great deal responses this isn feasible honestly answer questions put you drop debates posters and continue you issue months and start dicussion beginning debated this issue twice and occasionally response simon clippingdale positive assertion that disagreement moral values inexorably acknowledges that morals relative doesn simon dropped debate for time that mean that busy bored topic not accuse dishonesty you can understand you can understand you time asks side means you clear sometimes you aren and you you mean times you extremely uptight and feel that debating line noise sometimes tired and sometimes things this usenet and life tough you deal you starting personally insulting not even put your name hat future that supposed threat that simple statement and assertion that not answerable offer baseless insults for example accuse lying personal beliefs complaining that don answer questions that you you sense evidence for sensed easy almost senses evidence for sensed intents and purposes had that argument for your claim that senses not founded and you asked give evidence for and correct statement reason assume that evidence found problem second statement provided argument that almost senses that freedom valuable cogent objection this jon livesey and offered people essentially that people disagree fuzzy concepts such freedom good point and thinking your trick feel not and absolutely neglects possibility that people effect process restricting claim absoluteness subject that process words refutes you make ontological claim you prove nonsense trick feel that and almost disinterested person evidence that subject assumption that can establish mutual satisfaction mean and and that resulting system values consistent this idealisation fictional model sense that real material existence fictional model not correspond true nonetheless assumption equally assumed relativist trick wit feel that and almost disinterested person even person disagrees that even person dissents mutually agreed definitions and case that for that person and nothing can this useless inexorably implies that supermajority seeking maximise cannot morally action seeking maximise terrorist that claim that supermajority carefully considered morality terrorist true for ethical relativist claim that ethical relativism implies simply weasel words and example compartmentalisation rival world religion for similar argument sense morality subjective not hurt things that considered objectively wrong you mean that you things that objectively wrong and turns not case for you this evidence for subjectivism evidence objectivism sometimes pragmatic sense serves counterexample for that that subject judgements absolute and long you don provide evidence for that universally agreed reason your hypothesis this freedom proviso that answer jon objection that fuzzy concepts freedom objective meaning order make morality absolute universal objective you show that independent humans attributes quite misleading not evidence that exists independently humans you hard pressed find that isn logically equivalent applied values analogous set premises premise people that objectively speaking shortest route house bar main entrance estate and malahide road premise checked and found that shortest route closer you never deduce that shortest route house bar that seemingly you derive your relativist claim premises logically morals matter belief people that shortest main entrance agreement belief and order analogy you show that shortest and that method convince that shortest words your analogy works assumes that your premises place not fallacy and this argument for objectivism you isn demonstration that argument you gave argument objectivism argument for relativism your gimmick assume place that values aren real and use this prove that values aren real words you beg question frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	gulf war and peace niks article apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw writes article apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmers bnr douglas graham writes your idea perhaps rest world bombed missiled washington invaded nicaragua grenada panama vietnam mexico hawaii number places wait minute doug you informed that never invaded nicaragua liberated grenada liberate invader describes invasion including not mistaken iraqi liberation kuwait never invaded nicaragua word games can you send marines you mean word invaded sort military action cross border you invaded carries connotation attacking autonomous nation nation invades virgin islands invading virgin islands this point view your score falls mexico panama good word games you aggressor pick words scarcely reprehensible military action peace nik that doesn masturbate guns ammo supposed bad peace nik believes peace costs words person supported giving hitler not austria and czechoslakia poland averted war and hitler wipe jews slavs and political dissidents areas controlled long left rest alone that convenient technique alt atheism define disagree you straw man extreme that matches virtually supposed bad peace nik you depends your values you life liberty peace freedom guess not liberty and freedom mean you life you die fighting for liberty live tyrant heel bad peace nik noble and patriotic fine young americans carpet bombed iraqi infantry positions horizon destroyed iraq sewer and water infrastructure safety sky bulldozed iraqi infantry into trenches importantly commanders ordered thrilled risking death not risking defense liberty wealthy kuwaitis can oil fields tyrant heel that tyrant antagonistic interests problem peace niks not bad and unconscionable not argument problem peace nik held ideals and stayed conflicts issues dealing national defense not willing legitimately hold point view pigeon holed peace niks this context people disagree conduct gulf war into peace cost hitler supporting genocide abetting wimps you can express righteous indignation refuse fit this mold and question conduct war legitimate terms dare militate and times resort violence name peace rank hypocrisy hypocrisy violent peace niks care list example stop warmongers willing stand and defend freedoms tyrants and realize that requires strong national defense wow instant nostalgia peace nik cold war derogatory term equating promote pacifism godless pinko communists felt freedoms mightily threatened iraq jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality hfj horus mchp sni frank writes deletia case hadn noticed frank and debating objective morality and seemingly hitting semantics secondly can refute your definition can point logical implications and that contradict usage word objective areas your definition objective oxymoron for quibble that belief that useless and that objective perfectly good word that native english speaker misunderstood your usage objective and debate you don assert apologies loss imagine you mean ages can universe and internally consistent amazed moral systems can members society single individuals cases and humanity stick together begging question people can opinions age universe and humanity can stick together you that universe real age independent beliefs wrong point age universe direct effect humanity sticking power moral system society can universe real age evidence for cosmology astronomy and this age independent people opinions people lot opinions matter empirical tests consistently give roughly results age universe scientific facts can emirically verified means that give result matter performs testing albeit error bars that largish side this assumes that universe real age kind reality doesn depend can that put creationist task performing tests and calculations makes blatant errors measuring calculating and result test will extreme biblical creationist give rat ass means you speak logically consistent empirical tests contradict opinion tests opinion tests opinion contradict mine even conducted tests identical manner don showing tests validity opinion heard verify morality consistent compute errors measurement care enlighten true pain painkillers exist and can predicted work accuracy random guess map activity nerves and neural activity you mean physical pain you sharp point give you that you haven quantify morality wrote that morality hypotheses observed agree hypotheses can change hold that ultimate hypothesis morality gravitate that changed imaginable producing results suitable for tasks purposes moral system makes prediction will that can tested and worse almost defined context moral system your prediction will correct that moral system you objective definition good and bad you luck people ideas age object not objective you can idea you and can stop you universae and ages another ballgame and you dislike detail that problem your opinion assume objective reality and you statements this isn that you assuming objectively real morality exactly provably wrong statement claim that morality opinion ours and such subjective and individual wrong objectively real thing exists you label objective morality can you back this positive claim existence can you back your positive claim that assumption make assumption values basis that logical difference two and empirical basis two precisely claiming objective morality suddenly positive claim can lend credence claim ponder individuals fully functional human beings and members society wildly moral codes morality objective base hir incorrect morality function fine come for producing individuals easiest pick societies islamic and polynesian matrilineal system for example such exist deletia testing for footballs desks morality inform and that opposed drift you claiming never good means thing good circumstances achieve goal for reason times and that thing longer good things hard make good seldom achieve sort goal mass murder lead into aztecs fine spaniards wiped almost good means sometimes even never claim this good thereby fixed stone immutable that simple matter proving track record scientific method great and applied values completely wrong that conclude result quite amount thought and thing two that line doesn good for objective values disclaimer great young and insane
alt.atheism	asimov stamp article schnitzi eustis schnitzi eustis ucf edu mark schnitzius writes battin cyclops iucf indiana edu laurence gene battin writes apart suggestion that appeared letters column skeptical inquirer recently mention asimov commemorative stamp this idea hasn this happen that great idea start petition religious types snit due asimov atheism atheists stamps point long atheists insulted disgraceful addition religious blah blah money and pledge big noisy and operation rescue
alt.atheism	mottos replace dog trust andrew hilmer hilmera storm orst edu wrote risk beginning cascade start possibly cheesy good uhmericun shield freedom government for past years perhaps this debt holy temple mass slack ncsu edu used underwear consumption legal tender box bbs countries raleigh warning hoard pennies bob
alt.atheism	islamic genocide article fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes article ubl horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article fido asd sgi livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes noting that society this case mainland religously motivated murders and murders kind whether inter religion murders religiously motivated conclude that nothing inherent religion for that matter catholicism and protestantism that motivates kill motivates christian bible that kill circumstances fact instructs kill circumstances majority people moral system that instructs kill circumstances your distinction motivate and and agree that flavour theism atoricities that indictment that theism depends circumstances you talk christianity islam your claims can understood people general statement theism that falls apart god instructs utterly harmless for part conclude that required happen that that will work religion easy will and religion supply not easy not necessarily love thy neighbour not supply demolishes and definition religion broader definition theism explained insisting that even murder labourers chosen catholics and had nothing ira protestant extremists not religously motivated you that you simply will not accept murder religiously motivated that guy cut head believed devil incarnate that religously motivated protestant extremists killed catholic labourers that wasn religiously motivated not opinion obscure point theology since protestants don this elect extremists for broad religion this that complex that religious element and you powerful motives revenge and misguided patriotism you catholics and protestants worldwide stop killing listen that you claim not read minds murders ensuing fatwa rushdie inquisitions and religous wars special exceptions isn this grab bag hoc excuses for not murders religiously motivated general principle this general principle that fairly clear that religion primary motivator enabler not obvious apart violence not abstract argument northern irish protestants don want absorbed into officially catholic country supposed supposed reply that you you don want dwyer assures that matter you you want you want you unionists wouldn mind absorbed into catholic country terrible thing lose mind word country for kicks don that unionists for god maintain position privilege listening and you telling your version you read minds and don you speculated motives and you don statements beliefs face your claim not read minds credibility note that you fail answer question you axe grind you ignoring protestants stop killing people you refer properly described unionists not protestants for position privilege that not religion based based politics bigotry and heartless extremism things synonymous religion overlap frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	asimov stamp article schnitzi eustis schnitzi eustis ucf edu mark schnitzius writes religious types snit due asimov atheism atheists stamps due discussion this group time ago theists likely asimov quote context and paint biggest bible thumpin god fearin atheist hatin christian you laid eyes einstein bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	 rapture october case you miss rapture stay calm and not panic your natural reaction once you realize occurred panic absolutely useless you had wanted god rapture you you chose wait your chance stay this earth and endure end tribulation that endure end saved matthew realize you living great tribulation great tribulation year period starting time rapture christ second coming time jacob israel trouble jere and daniel seventieth week dan this period will unparalleled trouble and horror iii gather bibles you can and hide antichrist becomes leader european community revived roman empire bibles will confiscated and owning bible will tantamount treason bible will your valuable possession tribulation read bible you never read your life since your bibles confiscated even you careful imperative that you read word you memorize passages and can quote important read daniel luke matthew revelation and amos for books describe events you can expect unfold you pray you never prayed your life pray power god comes strongly you pray and pray and pray reading word and praying will you gain spiritual strength withstand torture you endure for sake christ not mark cost even fit means you and your loved die martyrs antichrist becomes leader european community will institute world economic system designed that you cannot buy sell eat you mark number name money will useless and small and great rich and poor free and slave receive mark hand foreheads and that buy sell mark name beast number name wisdom understanding calculate number beast for number man number revelation antichrist will implement greatest slaughter humanity ways people tortured and killed past such holocaust crusades you cannot even imagine horror that will place antichrist rule will worse history matt altar souls had slain for word god and for testimony held and white robe each and that rest longer number fellow servants and brethren killed completed revelation targets will jews and christians not worship image mark forehead hadn and souls had beheaded for witness jesus and for word god had not worshiped beast image and had not received mark foreheads hands revelation will use form torture and humiliation order force you renounce christ will hesitate use your loved you even your children torturing and killing front you that you will tempted mark you mark worship antichrist image you will consigned second death lake fire sung eloquently johnny cash you cannot redeemed endure torture for short and gain eternal life sic endure eternal torment ring lake fire worships beast and image and receives mark forehead hand drink wine wrath god poured full strength into cup indignation sic tormented fire and brimstone presence holy angels and presence lamb revelation and presence season ticket holders special hats stadium vii set plan motion for survival you not hide antichrist government end tribulation time you gain hiding important for your spiritual growth and strengthening since extremely strong christ can suffer and die for sake thing move city and into rural mountainous area for antichrist control will come last populated areas good radio you that you can stay attuned events and discern time schedule tribulation you can weather map heavy currents tribulation will sweep into area daybreak expect delays outbound and perhaps school closings store water and food you will not purchase mark water lakes and streams will polluted radioactive waste nuclear warfare and will eventually turn into blood good water filter bring types clothing for seasons flashlights batteries generators and aid supplies short learn survive and live land pioneers viii trust will secret agents spying for antichrist government lookout perot supporters note watch for antichrist important realize antichrist and for will deceive into thinking that great world leader will bring peace and prosperity world hungry for can infer daniel characteristics this man popular and half years tribulation will dominate airwaves will physically appealing highly intelligent christ charisma and personality international politician military tactician and economic expert word will peace will make treaty jews will break and half years will such supernatural power that mortal wound head will healed even elect will deceived you not pray and read bible you will deceived dominate airwaves perhaps howard stern rush limbaugh antichrist will companion false prohphet sic will make image likeness antichrist and speak refuse worhsip sic image will killed final and half years will absolutely insane demonized spirits not give hope years tribulation will end triumphant return christ antichrist will defeated steadfast and endure and you will rewarded greatly heaven start reading bible and praying fervently salvation your sould depends determine that come you will not mark worship antichrist you chance saved remain saved this time you will faithful death god find you ready hour glorious return mike cluff christianity stupid ubvms mike luick ubvms give negativland language perception laboratory bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek that queens stay blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	atoms real article news rich bnr bcash crchh nosubdomain nodomain brian cash writes petri and mathew your discusion reality atoms interesting that you verging question real that since observation not reliable can that real don this intention original question since you define word real that nothing can meet criteria thought brian rainbows and shadows real not objects phenomenon interesting question atoms objects classical phenomenon neo quantum this train talk and question dismissing atoms sense not real leaves uneasy implied that obseve effects and underlying thing not necessarily real tree window this category observe light bounces not tree observation indirect observations made atoms observations and experiments that routinely individual atoms thinking atom trapping experiments and tests fundamental quantum mechanics such quantum zeno effect individual atom studied for long period time attempts quantum mechanical arguments not satisfying carefull making such arguments solid technical background field read confused quite red herring purpose public debate make audience worked willing defend assertion cares atoms real trees and real ussual day sense word real
alt.atheism	free moral agency article kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan writes article voinnr lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chris faehl writes myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion absurd you don counterfeit athiest myth make religion absurd you read friendly christian bill conner posts jim halat halat bear bear stearns doesn kill you will serve annoy you nyc speak for
alt.atheism	thoughts article apr mks mike mks mike brookbank writes article apr mac macalstr edu acooper mac macalstr edu writes article bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrence bissell writes die for lie wouldn people liar light yesterday events waco texas guess answer your questions obvious you waco example back jonestown people died for lie deletions correction contrary earlier belief widely accepted that not committed suicide killed end die for lie not conviction alone thought make this point clear disclaimer opinions expressed this posting mine solely and not represent employer karner aix technical support karner austin vnet ibm
alt.atheism	islam and sufism move islam discussions short reply kent sandvik post remarking strange that sufism related islam quite understands islam not strange that sufism associated fact sufism general dimension islam roots word islam submission islam denotes submission god sufism complete submission god imaginable annihilating oneself god not sufi sufi path read lot and recently discussing number things sufi path fred rice darice yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	genocide caused atheism apr nott eczcaw mips nott wainwright writes article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes great respect love for person not equal form theism fred rice darice yoyo monash edu hmm jesus person great respect for jesus and atheist great respect for jesus not necessarily mean that follow christian muslim interpretation life fred rice darice yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	atheism survey replied this query mail issues that worth discussing public mta mtabbott unix amherst edu wrote research atheism part involves field research net survey directed readers this group intended data basis atheistic belief recommend you your dictionary alt atheism faq files notice that atheism not belief system and common atheists not belief lack belief deities cannot imagine research atheism paying careful attention this issue structure questions that can answered variety ways varying amounts detail give succinct answers you typing for hours imho this poor method real survey replies you amused for hours tend use lot anthropological buzzwords belief system you contend that you don beliefs skeptical understand you mean such buzzwords abbreviations for unweildy phrases required precise idea across not you mean you surveying individual philosophies fine that not strictly atheism atheism not another godless version theistic explanations for life universe and not belief system and called philosophical system once atheism characterised lack belief deities not twist meaning assume that kind philosophy agree comments your questions contact atheists you had and and your conversion atheism your involvement alt atheism counts net discussions affected your beliefs hear this convert you convinced that your beliefs acquired wholly rational means proofs existence god etc perhaps part means alienation mainstream religion etc this question contains contradiction terms beliefs cannot acquired rationally not beliefs you strange ideas people become atheists alienated religion not necessarily become atheists religion requires considerable time honest inquiry find that religions intellectually dishonest virtual realities never had beliefs will find this question quite odd can lack belief acquired acquire lack belief easter bunny santa extent you feel you understand universe your beliefs phenomena universe and human existence physical phenomena problem existence evil human affairs you feel adequately dealt your beliefs and lacking explanatory method this question not make sense since atheism not deal issues not worldview philosophy belief system sigh haven good thought survey usenet for years and point surveys net abstract opinions petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game
alt.atheism	theism and fanatism islamic genocide article dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau writes article horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism deletion theism correlated fanaticism that fanatism caused theism that theism leads fanatism point theism increases chance fanatic argue that fanatics tend theism for example loook times history theism dominant ideology invalidate that conclusion that that basic mechanism imo influence stalin for that matter ayn rand invalidates your assumption that theism factor considered bogus that theism not factor for fanatism point that theism factor that your claim back your argument belief strongly correlated fanaticism belief factor fanaticism true and utterly useless note this belief not belief gods gullibility blind obedience authority lack scepticism and reliable indicators and dangerous people sources fanaticism things cynical manipulators gullible precisely that claim you support note that field theism leaders you that you incredibly naive brands theism and precisely theists tend fanaticism grant you tar theists this brush bigotry not reasoned argument and reads warm for censorship and restriction religious freedom read animal farm that straw man and discussions you repeat read written not theism leads fanatism and not fanatism caused theism point correlation and comes innate features theism comes features theism common fanaticism your last statement simply isn implied you you sneak innate features theism word you groping for gullibility shit sherlock not talk gullibility theism since lot relevant case you opposed case you make and that forbid religion another your straw men interesting that you nothing offer reads warm that that irrational and bogus tirade and use creating nice split minds excitable people such found side church walls define irrational belief rational that reason irrational belief belief that not based reason discussed for long time charley wingate point that beliefs violate reason and another that process that not lend rational analysis not reliable information glaring paradox argument that reason based reason circular and argument not based reason irrational that bogus reference not circular and since evaluation usefulness rational systems allowed oval begging question and that allowed not rational and you claiming rational and risk repeating and hearing had that didn hear refutation back deal you can use reason demonstrate that reason thinks reason crap won buy you your argument silly proving mathematical statements mathematics and mathematics therfore circular godel silly part second statement contains information you don beliefs beliefs strong theism and strong atheism your statement not general true second part your sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum not lend rational analysis assumed reliable information process used obtain speaking religious systems contradictory definitions god axiomatic datum lends rational analysis you refuted fallacy discussion axiom choice and can evaluate axioms larger systems derived exist derived you want that can test consistency and set axioms you that point people wind this datum reliable for reason example not dreaming compared evidence theists for claims strength demands makes thing not irrational antirational can agree this you specific theism that theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect you not traditonal definition gods personal supernatural entities objective effects this world connected morals and world works imo belief such gods necessarily irrational that not mean that people hold principle opposed exercise intelligence atheists scientists for example affinity fanatism easily true nothing work hypothesis beliefs work hypothesis don understand this can you formalise your argument person believes system becuase sounds nice that not make true work hypothesis content that true and that work hypothesis testing evaluating evidence for dismissed believed wrong waste time not depending contents amalekites idolaters protestants killed this can interesting effects peculiar definition interesting show that belief gods entails contents you speak aren catholic neighbours killing protestants for example don conjunction asserts and jail kill dissenters that important and belief gods irrelevant axe grind frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	christian morality article ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko writes dan schaertel dps nasa kodak wrote love god loves seduce you rape simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you your argument type you once you atheists sincerely and believed for years eventually honest admit that had lived virtual reality christians and learn you accept that you don this mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don this not prefer learn unwise swallow you read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn helped daily problems you accept this since you can whether true not asks you swallow fact jesus warns you question you beleive you learn history class for that matter school mean people told you and you don want swallow life death and resurection christ documented historical fact you learn you choose and not argue that george washington myth never lived don proof told major events life jesus christ fortold hundreds years neat trick into sceptical heart you can not you sincere effort attitude you you trust not church and participate activities you willing die for you believed
alt.atheism	alt atheism faq constructing logical argument suggestion for logical argument faq don covered fallacy name used mathew inconsistency and counterexample this occurs party points that source information takes stand inconsistent two variations mutually agreed premise stand source second party fallaciously responds source this reply not refute allegation inconsistency not show that source example type koran unbelievers treated ways can agree immoral koran this passage that unbelievers not treated that example second type two biblical creation stories you wrong since bible describes creation description day christmas truelove served leftover turkey second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole that made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and tlu gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu
alt.atheism	religion islamic authority women bill conner bil okcforum osrhe edu writes stuff deleted don make outrageous claims religion affecting and effecting history for purpsoe point that claims made wrong and nothing validate atheism bill you erroneously assumed that this board sole purpose validation atheism doesn this board used discuss atheism philosophy share posters experiences atheism debunk theisms and theism share resources relating atheism and even socialize similar views and number theists come preach used argue case for atheism time made statement that religion sole point that make that kind claim mistaken deliberately you want accuse people lying directly phrase deliberately mistaken oxymoronic credit religion awesome power dominate history misunderstand human nature function religion and history that distort history this exaclty and for affect two forms theism discussed days christianity and islam claim make followers into good people and claim that benefit humanity accomplished faiths imho american friends service committee quaker catholic relief services bread for world salvation army soup kitchens and mother theresa spring mind can knowledge islam supply names analagous islamic groups mother theresa claims that work outgrowth christianity form theism ascribes deity such benevolence humanity that wrong not care for point that such philosophy power change behavior individuals widespread can change societies works for horrors history claim that christianity had crusades inquisition deny awesome power that comes faith absolute you twisting reasonable statement that religion never solitary evil into unreasonable statement that religion had evil impacts history that absurd scott sauyet ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu
alt.atheism	books edm twisto compaq mccreary writes topic books noticed that paine age reason hard find wanting pick copy for not bad mail order noticed that bookstores carry thought this supposed classic deal entire list books written atheist authors and largest bookstore area pittsburgh and couldn find section bookstore you find kinds books you alternative bookstore for appreciated can send you list you want nanci you and author this quote send email andrew cmu edu fate country not depend kind paper you drop into ballot box once year kind man you drop your chamber into street morning
alt.atheism	college atheists nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes read article poll students ivy league schools reported that students indentified atheists this lot higher general population reasons for this discrepancy intelligent younger this wave future guess that ease ideas and thoughts communicated college campus real world easier for theists people general lock into bubble and talk people opinion college you constantly surrounded and interact people ideas life universe and harder build bubble ideas reaching you world theists forced contend and listen atheists and theists religions bound change beliefs years run david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire this patently absurd wishes become philosopher learn not frightened absurdities bertrand russell nanci you and author this quote send email andrew cmu edu fate country not depend kind paper you drop into ballot box once year kind man you drop your chamber into street morning
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article apr nic csu net davec silicon csci csusb edu dave choweller wrote article apr bnr rashid writes stuff deleted point post that rushdie not condemned solely for words book this contributing factor series actions rushdie and publishers publication book and initial media spotlight book that large part led fatwa kind fatwa levelled rushdie not lightly and number anti islamic writers and islamic world not had fatwas made adds fuel explosive situation charged incitement riot people die rioting charges become even can rushdie blamed for deaths people demonstrating deaths blamed people dealt demonstrations demonstrators violent lengths will you justify this barbaric behaviour rushdie once rushdie situation exploded into media muslim voice matter book effectively restricted short video bytes showing dramatic highlights muslim demonstrations for twenty newspaper magazine articles interviews etc supporting rushdie muslim voice this person selected based dramatic and incoherent not knowledge islam situation time this approx twenty ratio continued escalation crisis rushdie central spotlight man moment valiant defender everyman free speech decoupled responsibility interesting that hue and cry freedom speech books defaming ethnic and religious groups continued banned felt that injured sensibilities groups and presented false image promote feelings hate groups for muslims this kind double standard annoying rushdie this spotlight golden opportunity lash organized islam and admirable verbal skill kind islam rushdie finds palatable calls secular islam islam separated qur prophet god legislation and importantly intrusion into political arena fine rushdie made views muslim made anger book scale affair erupted into global proportions this time political situation affecting governments individuals situation reaching political implications centre this turmoil rushdie throwing fuel fire engaged personal crusade that made oblivious sense caution you feel that person centre worldwide storm such this responsibility reason exercise restraint kind obligation perhaps step back momentarily spotlight till matters calm perhaps you even feel that justified boldly defying anger dare umbrage literary work matter insult find perhaps you kind secular heroic knight mounted media steed battle dragon islamic fundamentalism khomeini disingeneous author grew muslim atmosphere knew muslim hold dear wrote book mischievously literary conventions slander insult and attack islam and notable personalities faced situation that worldwide crisis continued mischief world stage media even people injured and killed magnitude and emotion situation continued mischief good sense desist khomeini crisis mischief making grand scale mischief making that grew scale scale crisis enlarged deaths muslims world and rushdie continued media mischief even this triggering factor that decide khomeini putting stop mischief person centre events rushdie source continuing mischief media support government support that support source rushdie and publishers nothing short ecstatic publicity and happy rushdie constantly media islamic rulings that deal people engage this kind grand scale mischief making applied rushdie you attempts justification not image islam good made attempts justification explanation image chief concern muslim apologists for islam and for rushdie muslims willingly relegated sub culture larger secular culture such that secular principles and laws had precedence laws islam doubt that islam thought good image principally and large reflect secular image good image means your attempts totally exonerating rushdie reflect exactly attitude that resulted polarization brought crisis iran situation monitored for months rushdie adding fuel flames free worldwide voice that media gave situation monitored even deaths occured worldwide rushdie not desist fatwa pronounced behaving total jerk endangers lives and jerk sees this and insists behave total jerk rug jerked muslims didn make such big fuss book issuing death threats and killing publishers heard fatwa rushdie didn mouth media fuss died killed fatwa passed episode fizzled
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic verses article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes qur discusses this point ways quite directly for example that god for faith and belief evidence definitive excellent doesn weak blind faith department doesn even tip put your dog races perhaps dream vision that muhammed didn into desert and smoke person high write and such consistency afraid don arabic read translations wouldn written consistent thing quran not and you read arabic writing influence consciousness altering substances and that scribes dictated quran didn screw put verses good destroying beauty and literary quality text arabic text weren good assuming that quran beautfully written and can muhammed marry women muslim allowed muhammad not exceed number revelation regulating number wives man marry retract this point that once knew biggest insult islam that majority followers want suppress book sight unseen holy guy not mention murder author agree true that this case haven interviewed muslims this this false can your your sources another case judging principles basis claim follow basis judge system can consistent picture islam khomeini imam mosque mecca perhaps guy jersey perhaps you quran translation and things and wherever you find idolators kill shamim mohamed uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu this cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member league for programming freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	genocide caused theism evidence hour show pbs day history jews appearently cursades religious war agianst muslilams holy land sparked widespread persecution muslilams and jews europe supporters persiecution martin luther and vatican hitler use luthers writings justify treatment jews genocide caused theism evidence
alt.atheism	societal basis for morality article fzd news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes basis can that actions another society per hitler comment wrong ultimately rests personal opinion opinion majority make question doesn make sense makes democracy for example totalitarian regim dan
alt.atheism	high times comin verdant ucs umass edu sol lightman writes theory unproven that this due simple envy not due fact that two issues religion and religion religion personal belief system religion memetic virus people loudly proclaiming beliefs crossing border religion religion people that want save firmly entrenched religion memoids rule not practicing religion shut fuck you discuss politely this means that motive conversation not your gratifying spread word religion that ultimately comes person and reflects judgements religion that contracted and not reflect persons judgements perhaps brainwashed today religion drug you can discuss religion post that started this not intented discussion proclamation someones religion you talking censorship that closeminded you haven understood this don problem discussion religion religion that can stand
alt.atheism	high times comin rubble leland stanford edu adam heath clark writes large part christianity based notion that religion and that universe flat wrong days had inquisition and burning heretics pat buchanan start cultural war can stand live country god fearing people survival trait fixed number resources people for religions inhabit doctrines intolerance and not birth control devices meme capital religion christianity gains larger share population memetic competitors
alt.atheism	christian morality article apr dcs warwick simon dcs warwick simon clippingdale writes dan concerned that you grave spiritual danger your stubborn refusal love and accept into your heart mighty invisible pink unicorn nice parody deleted pray for you fact brother cast demon binds you name mighty invisible pink unicorn dan you faith you pray for that mighty invisibile pink unicorn not exist cannot pink and invisible demon that daemon that believing and saving soul named logic bill mayne
alt.atheism	read rushdie satanic verses article optima arizona edu sham arizona edu shamim zvonko mohamed writes article innknk bozo dsinc perry dsinc jim perry writes since this line discussion rest readership read this book your thoughts read and liked time sorta kinda thought muslim and couldn flap you that drugs not writing style hard used worth effort coming similar background rushdie grew bombay muslim family and moved england grew delhi made strong impression and used strange constructions indian english yaar end sentence butbutbut occasional hindi phrase etc this getting used not indian connection knowledge hindi etc this not trivial for wonders net glossary satanic verses posted rec arts books vijay raghavan explains lot indian english constructions indian culture references even islamic references jahilia submission context satanic verses incident etc covers couple hundred pages helped into flow can mail this interested portions part exist jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	burden proof aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu bill ray writes make statement that god exists loves etc insist that you that place burden proof you insist that god doesn exist that place burden proof you give proofs give testimony beliefs will respond proofs that you attempt disprove beliefs your reaction people claim abducted space aliens people abducted experimented etc insist that aliens don exist burden proof people can give hard facts can give lot testimony back beliefs replace space aliens elvis big foot blue unicorns and larger percentage population sometimes reality experience for everone
alt.atheism	rawlins debunks creationism john king king ctron posts whopping liner modern theory evolution inadequate that deserves treated matter faith francis hitching points make posting science not based and not consist quotes real alleged experts critical reasoning evidence and experimentation creationists frequently display massive confusion this quoting experts and experts alike quotes fact false and steadfastly refusing follow kind rigorous scientific procedure this strongly suggests that claims completely lack scientific merit and aware this fatal deficiency you not creationist and this not your real intent you failed identify hitching and surrounding context statement that hitching scientific illiterate quote display profound ignorance evolutionary biology creationists frequently quote real scientists context and fabricate statements that subsequently attribute legitimate scientists you not creationist and this not your real intent evidence supporting alleged inadequacies modern theory evolution powerful argument contextless line quote unidentified important note that disproving biological evolution not automatically prove alternate claims that disproving that earth shaped hockey puck proves that hyperbolic paraboloid creationists fond diving head into this logical fallacy you not creationist and this not your real intent since evolution central virtually modern science attack evolution fact theory represents attack science theory will unquestionably continue evolve fact evolution will not creationists lost battle long ago years fact simply willfully ignorant and irrational acknowledge fact you not creationist and you not that ignorant warren kurt vonroeschlaub iastate edu asks webster heard francis hitchings hitchings not found webster francis hitchings scientifically illiterate creationist perhaps playing part wrote quite ignorant book attacking evolution neck giraffe that publication quotes creationist jean sloat morton standard invalid creationist probability argument that proteins not formed chance not confusing abiogenesis evolution two quite independent concluding sequitur conclusion not follow hitchings misquotes richard lewontin effort support creationism hitchings book reviewed national park service ecologist david graber los angeles times and repeated oregonian article titled giraffe sticks scientific neck excerpts include francis hitchings not biologist darwin mark antony brutus flips scientific reasoning mysticism and pseudo science sinuosity snake oil salesman suggests mystical organizing principle life similarity organs creatures evidence sic note that last statement evidence for evolution not john king quoting this reviewed book wouldn surprise interesting that king had nothing add posted quote uunet tektronix sail mikec cranford uunet tektronix sail labs tek mikec principal troll arpa mikec sail labs tek relay net resident skeptic csnet mikec sail labs tek teklabs tektronix
alt.atheism	genocide caused theism evidence article dvi mailer fsu edu dekorte dirac scri fsu edu stephen dekorte writes hour show pbs day history jews appearently cursades religious war agianst muslilams holy land sparked widespread persecution muslilams and jews europe supporters persiecution martin luther and vatican hitler use luthers writings justify treatment jews genocide caused theism evidence heck remember reading quote luther jews shot deer and catholic doctrine for centuries extremely anti semitic you that your truth and your justice worth truths and justices centuries simone beauvoir certainty that rises doubt and withstands critique karl jaspers rice university will rice college
alt.atheism	political atheists article vinnkn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes kcochran nyx edu keith justified and ancient cochran writes wait talking ethics morals distinction important make ethics deal individuals morals deal groups moral system mimic natural number ways describe number ways detail explain contradictions that arise human behavior mimics animal behavior couldn even begin list similarities dissimilarities due high intelligence describe number ways detail explain contradictions that arise don wrong for humans survive for long time wild difficult humans social animal and that success define difficult don understand you don understand sentence difficult humans survived wild for hundreds thousands years noted earlier lack mating such abstinence homosexuality isn destructive system worst neutral member species homosexual this wouldn destructive survival species animals that exhibit homosexuality bisexual answer question keith homosexuality detrimental survival species kcochran nyx edu tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza
alt.atheism	bayesian statistics theism and atheism article apr dcs warwick simon dcs warwick simon clippingdale writes article quei horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article apr dcs warwick simon dcs warwick simon clippingdale writes write imagine that alterian dollars turn your bank account month suppose that this money paid you your big hearted alterian benefactor bug alterian atm suppose that this true dichotomy trouble alterius universe that observations alterius for banks you couldn possibly afford examine case for evidence whatsoever that such thing big hearted alterian benefactor exists not exists grounds that lack evidence for evidence partition that dismiss hypothesis turning find evidence support that hypothesis grounds dismiss hypothesis problem this that dismissed hypotheses and even construction that money arrives month proven that can dismissed potential that extremely poor argument and premise this money paid you your big hearted alterian benefactor bug alterian atm each monthly appearance bucks happen observation alterius and construction evidence for existence benefactor bug atm premise observations alterius for banks you couldn possibly afford you forgot include this premise premise cardinality set observations alterius this contradictory not you state properly trouble basis premise you that can evidence benefactor bug premise leads conclusion that appearance bucks happen evidence for existence benefactor bug voila screaming contradiction highlights strawman argument evidence for oneof benefactor bug observation distinguish benefactor bug that not evidence for bug and evidence for benefactor true that this hypothetical universe appears exactly benefactor bug two statements false this contradictory reduces alterian dosh arriving account due benefactor bug this not evidence for benefactor evidence for bug meaning that doesn lend weight evidence can exist for benefactor and evidence can exist for bug relies shift meaning you paraphrased that this not evidence for benefactor for example you mean that evidence for benefactor for bug that mean you shifted meaning evidence for benefactor that means absolute evidence for benefactor relative evidence for benefactor bug not meant evidence that tend this communications problem clumsy that buy your theory relates theism making predictions prayer your rapture example don buy your use occam razor cases example couldn dismiss benefactor bug grounds simplicity explain dosh brought dismissal process show that wrong you this post you agree and talking cross purposes contradiction sums benefactor bug dosh arrives account implies assuming that benefactor bug responsible bucks arrive not implies that and this isn meant and necessarily observation dosh change estimates clumsy that wrong assign probability and that precisely use razor case gods gods class hypothesis belonging set hypotheses explain not satisfactorily explained can thrown retained grounds rational preference not science statistics alternatively chuck retain lot grounds that answer can that notional probability estimates effectively useless equal agnosticism weak atheism set filled universe caused gods pink unicorns nothing etc and observation conclusion exactly point making don throw contrary your assertion that people simon and excellent science sole point that aren observations directly contradict hypothesis can finite number observations this case throw hypotheses exactly point unclear you diametric opposite guess source confusion illustrate incorrectness that you correct that absence evidence can sometimes evidence absence this not hold true for perhaps versions theism and isn true that for not hold can discarded razor contrary for not hold exactly can discarded razor post branch this thread you guilty contradiction you accuse razor holds for gods holds for hypotheses means that you assigning for established that not correct sum simply put claims viable proof existence existence gods whether inductive mistaken and worst barking mad luckily make such claim and specifically numerous occasions you wouldn constructing strawman you frank that doesn rule barking mad case barking mad spare time apologies cleese you miss point once that evidence hypothesis that doesn imply that observation necessarily falsifies hypothesis reducing estimate data reduces this quantity evidence that talking case you correct and not constructing strawman that misunderstood you standards system that gods highly and gods can dismissed razor system purporting inductive proof that gods don exist unnecessary explain phenomena experience systems such this including purport prove that gods exist fallacy close examination that not you put straight frank dwyer not hatching that odwyer sse hens evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	asimov stamp battin cyclops iucf indiana edu laurence gene battin writes apart suggestion that appeared letters column skeptical inquirer recently mention asimov commemorative stamp this idea hasn this happen that great idea start petition that year period time death person can commemorative stamp broken once for lyndon johnson that held for awhile can start elvis stamp petitioned for ages and things moved once past year anniversary death carl christensen dept computer science christen astro ocis temple edu temple university curiouser and curiouser philadelphia usa
alt.atheism	 article horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article apr nuscc nus cmtan iss nus tan chade meng dan writes leaving june that back university alt atheism banned stupid theist intolerance sad isn idea can circumvent this problem frank solution deleted you access telnet contact nyx edu public access unix system completly free and you for access verifiable form requires notarized copy picture check such kcochran nyx edu tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza
alt.atheism	age reason read rushdie sandvik newton apple kent sandvik writes this story kent archetype finn that lives bay area and purchase thomas paine age reason this man driving staceys books inc cleanlighted place daltons places asked for this book educated american book store assistants asked check thriller section that book not published receive book places assistants bluntly that don such author that not living author don copies books such life and times america years revolution similar note good friend mine worked clerk chain bookstore peers amazing woman customer asked had autobiography benjamin franklin question alive fiction fiction finally friend intervened and showed guy makes standards employment scott sauyet ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu
alt.atheism	strong weak atheism rusnews mantis mathew writes that faq modified define strong atheists not assert nonexistence god assert that nonexistence god word mathew mathew you this happened can version date save faqs once ignore regular postings wouldn generally notice such change and stay current scott
alt.atheism	problem omnipotence recall discussion had heard years ago this problem omnipotence perceive personified christian god ideal that potentially contradictory manifestation such god infinite power can god place limits stuff can recall questions recall correctly can god unmake can god make assuming doesn exist god existed for observer bind gods potential quantum states into reality god nothing primordial force nature that existed earliest stages universal inflationary creation god vacuum fluctuation great energy density create god that make god and god stuff don recall creating god god aware that god aware god living entity necessay that god living entity god unchanging evolve comments post that benefit open inquiry and resulting discussion kyle
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alt.atheism	you will hell article pharaoh cyborg martin pharaoh cyborg martin gorman writes jsn psuvm psu edu writes you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation fuck confused hell gay not becuase don god that means can come tammy deans picnic kcochran nyx edu tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza daddy that
alt.atheism	requests article qllg mailer fsu edu mayne pipe fsu edu william mayne writes article pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker writes didn church lightning rods banned european countries eighteenth century widely believed that interfered god striking blasphemers remember that this common eastern europe don eastern europe bertrand russell writing science and mysticism another book that preachers colonial boston attributed earthquake god wrath people putting lightning rods had preaching interference god will deprived lightning bolts method sinners evidently resorted sterner measures smilies not making this you not san francisco earthquake couple years ago flurry traffic talk religion misc this result notorious homo this that and city fact that earthquake road santa cruz watsonville didn phase jon
alt.atheism	satanic kent sandvik and jon livesey made essentially response this time kent article gets reply agree this started point time and don this starting point accurately copied scriptures happened this begs question whether started perhaps accuracy intention even worse events not written eye witness accounts high probability dates gospels ready into account problems information forwarded telephone metaphor makes difference you eyewitnesses people step reporters you will earlier telephone metaphor innately bad purpose game telephone contrary aims writing sorts texts point that standards generally asserted this group distinction eyewitnesses and hollow since can shown eyewitness even shown author text evidence that original texts largely lost time sea errors corrections additions and deletions case evidence strongly direction textus and nestle aland text not differ low level significance reasonable assume similar situation for based model wingate peace god peace strife closed sod mangoe umd edu brothers pray for thing tove mangoe marv lous peace god
alt.atheism	societally acceptable behavior article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes qvh tinnsg citation ksu ksu edu yohan citation ksu ksu edu jonathan newton writes article qgm news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes question for basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides that important this doesn want kill you can that decide sounds you confused want and morally jon
alt.atheism	rushdie writings unappreciated article quc tut lehtori tut aario sami writes edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes article jqd mdb blaze jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu ken arromdee writes article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes asked counter fatwa issued khomenei condemnation rushdies satanic verses reason basically that satanic verses rushdie title matter not played cares islam this shouldn matter that your opinion irrelevant gregg this guy sounds borg ish vell this perfectly normal behaviour vor vogon you jon
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law received information issue bcci and whether islamic bank etc post heading bcci for fred rice darice yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	 boyd acsu buffalo edu daniel boyd writes bible such incredible proof christianity aren muslims hindus convinced qur such incredible proof islam aren hindus christians convinced god exists aren atheists convinced tan chade meng sir question singapore cmtan iss nus
alt.atheism	christianity logic xtian morality article eastman dps nasa kodak writes simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic you rely simply your reason you will never you once heard arguement xtian friend similar this christianity higher logic athiest will not understand your atheist logic low faith can understand higher logic god asked this higher logic answer don this posting highlights worst things xtainity abundantly clear atheists xtains that illogical irrational tactics disregard logic rationality altogether silly excuses such and such can trust science science invented man show weakness religion country xtainity and rapidly growing xtains never convert people appealing brains senses fruitless act irrational nature faith wait person distress comfort and addict emotional opium never life had met person converted xtainity coz reasonable rationality place xtainity xtian arguement reason unenlightened tan chade meng wise man tells wife that understands singapore cmtan iss nus fool prove unenlightened tan chade meng wise man tells wife that understands singapore cmtan iss nus fool prove
alt.atheism	thoughts article madhausc kip netcom madhaus netcom maddi hausmann writes healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes tammy maddi trimmed healy you practice you getting hang give you nickname for size tammy lucky healy tammy pass falafel healy tammy healy tammy learning healy thing trademarked don charles lazarus dead alive careful name lazarus rise start lawsuit dean kaflowitz knew architect once swear employed design signs for toys and kids stores signs things stick store big pole can highway job hours school studying architect you can move pole ten feet closer highway
alt.atheism	thoughts article aec cbnewsj att decay cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz writes thing trademarked don charles lazarus dead alive careful name lazarus rise start lawsuit not trademarked backwards speaking proofs god funniest term paper handed freshman wrote god exist wouldn mean make exists doesn this argument worse ontological proofs existence god provided anselm and descartes raymond smullyan and philosophical fantasies
alt.atheism	fundamental beliefs sda article healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes asked post list sda church basic beliefs sda church reluctant formalize creed usual sense word powers that church deemed neccessary publish summary basic sda beliefs afraid speaking proofs god funniest term paper handed freshman wrote god exist wouldn mean make exists doesn this argument worse ontological proofs existence god provided anselm and descartes raymond smullyan and philosophical fantasies
alt.atheism	cults religions jgreen trumpet calpoly edu james thomas green writes religion cult power belong bull shit graeme nattress ncl hitler nibor planet vashir galactic shape changing psychopath john tomorrow people hitler last secret
alt.atheism	you will hell article healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes article apr mnemosyne edu kcochran nyx edu keith justified and ancient cochran writes kcochran nyx edu keith justified and ancient cochran subject you will hell date sun apr gmt article pharaoh cyborg martin pharaoh cyborg martin gorman writes jsn psuvm psu edu writes you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation fuck confused hell gay not becuase don god that means can come tammy deans picnic you can come posters invited and didn put homosexual clause bring munchies and join party can imagine dean objecting knowing keith expect bring leather accessories oil leather cracks dries dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	poisoning islamic genocide article rbpq ibg horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer writes article bbacbc dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau writes that you theist points consisting rhetorical fallacy unsupported claims and demonstrable falsehoods deleted that don detail for this claim good remember that you answered statement that you theist another correspondent that you not member denomination stupidity attempt trick answer not unlike rest your arguments roseneau patience people and call liar disagree position not that agnostic extremely wary you use words this case broader definitions gods used persons considered and theists pointed that post you use your use definitions rest assumption moral objective absolute buzz words you fond will and define exactly and user shown recently easiest dispell you you for definitions you free speculate motives for objecting irrational bigotry you flaws point your arguments stand merits since you and correspondents point flaws your reasoning discussing can impressed benedikt
alt.atheism	thoughts article lkz blaze jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu ken arromdee writes article briggs ccresources utas edu briggs postoffice utas edu william briggs writes wasn carpenter that beside point fact that compelling fulfilling prophecies prophecies include getting killed agonizing this nonsense can lot agonizing ways killed fatal cancer for instance can make list find stuff carpenter interesting independent source for this assertion christian bible record built table house stairs norm abrams real test carpenter skill building stairs hand tools leave plans for kitchen counters and cabinets build cross use pressure treated lumber gotta use that pressure treated anywhere that wood meets concrete holds for mose outdoor applications bumper stickers that boss jewish carpenter back ford escorts and real carpenter apprentice drive pickup for verification that carpenter dean kaflowitz sometimes shack catfish ain pretty don talk back goin fishin goin fishin and good friends goin fishin
alt.atheism	thoughts article apr daffy wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes article lkz blaze jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu ken arromdee writes can lot agonizing ways killed fatal cancer for instance can make list dying blood clot bad place kidney stones complete blockage
alt.atheism	thoughts article kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan writes article aec cbnewsj att decay cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz writes thing trademarked don charles lazarus dead alive careful name lazarus rise start lawsuit not trademarked backwards yup you mistake make backwards computer keyboard bet gods this alt atheism you start coming backwards type become believer and that not asking for miracles asked for miracle for real miracle for pat buchanan become closet drag queen that wouldn miraculous fabulous feather boa and sequined hat mia farrow wore gatsby dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	mary fault article briggs ccresources utas edu briggs postoffice utas edu william briggs writes deletion lucky for that baby didn obvious deformities mary gets pregnant wedlock save face and joseph that god that pregnant and baby turns deformed even worse stillborn lot explaining points guys oops guy and gal use term guy asexually sort conspiracy occurred since mean dozen times past two thousand years opportune time for messiah born guy running switzerland claims conceived similarly mother father bit surprised lot messiahs and had similar story birth death list messiahs quite interesting wouldn you feel bad you turned wrong and conception christ god can imagine your faces mary asks you you had child omnipotent god pulls such stunts providing evidence for check and question absurd wouldn you feel bad you find that stones sentient and that you stepped your life and wouldn you feel bad you proof that jesus plot satan wanted save image joseph planned place quite wedding and equally quite divorce quite easy jewish law that regard pretty dumb conspiracy you outlined that bringing attention messiah appearances royal scandals israel part acts sandhedrin discussing growth church wise guy leave alone and nothing can stop and isn will fizzle you forgotten pride factor didn fizzle church mean argument fallacy for reading this end letter religions claim that won fizzle eternal truth christianity since religions find religions that that last roll twelve dice calculate chance for result argue that special result event chance happen chance feel elevated you participated letting that special event place benedikt
alt.atheism	thoughts christians bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes robert beauchine wrote that praying young preying young comes bright eyed altar boy finds priest wears that chasible this statement atheist surely not intended wit surely intended wit atheist you referring bill kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	room for metaphor article bakerlj augustana edu bakerlj augustana edu lloyd baker writes want response giving pros and cons metaphorical religious language atheist accept this view giving foundamentals believes atheist accept usage religious literature tradition viewed metaphorical this essentially homer concepts such fate luck free will remains question whether religious literature christianity good set metaphors for world today unclear and quite that contemporary religion that and divorce metaphoric potential literalism and absolutism carries cases jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	moraltiy political atheists article cmninnb gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes livesey solntze wpd sgi jon livesey writes pardon apply human terms humans that you basically stating that morality can deal humans humans sentient moral that you that morality can deal intentions never that humans beings sufficiently sentient intentions fact explicitly that perfectly happy that animals capable forming intentions objecting programmed instinctive behaviour moral significance since such behaviour not involve intention that even not conscious alternative this not prevent behavior moral you this you convince that moral act moral whether not implementor thinks that not point point whether implementor thinks issue not whether thinking produces opinion opinion whether thinking takes place period offered times accept your definition you ascribe moral significence orbital motion planets hmm perhaps you can ascribe that human actions not natural and don follow natural morality since humans part nature not human actions natural perhaps you throw definition natural that will describe actions natural and not natural definition death surround mating rituals animals don kill each species that multiple posters show you sharks for example eat wounded sharks personally cats eat newborn you kind denial people give you example example and you air for week and pop claiming that never happened strange don animals kill each mean write tailor made faq for schneider jon
alt.atheism	you will hell this hell hasn noticed consensual reality special case
alt.atheism	islam and scientific predictions genocide caused atheism article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes deletion god created night day sun and moon each travelling orbit motion qur deletion that translation found for surprised hear that night and day move orbit thought this translations refer two objects orbit bucaille translation night and day travelling orbit perhaps this can understood earth reference frame this reference frame day and night orbit earth travelling east west this reference frame earth that belongs group interpretation found for allowing form interpretation reduces information text interprteted checked quote and lines preceding quoted interesting mountains set earth order immobilize earth skies heavens referred supported lines edition this meant possibility and that sun travels orbit that earth sounds geocentric will can find this not geocentric that sun and moon move and earth immobile sounds geocentric benedikt
alt.atheism	cruel political atheists article emjinnmk gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes kmr cwru edu keith ryan writes this shows that painful execution not considered cruel and unusual punishment this shows that cruel used constitution not refer whether not punishment physical pain meaning don forms execution painful electric chair pain relatively short lived drawing and quartering hand painful and victim wouldn die bleed death imagine integral pain time lash you wet noodle for cut you power quick jon
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alt.atheism	years can that christian morality sandvik sandvik kent apple sandvik newton apple kent sandvik writes article markp avignon markp avignon mark pundurs wrote you lsd and skews your perception reality you come and your perceptions unskew never lsd read strange lifes and times ashbury heights culture that profound lsd trippers mentioned that trip changed view world words taking lsd change reference frames that deep due rewiring brain temporarily will change frames and this leads statement that solid reference frame lsd trippers modified relative view haight ashbury crowd had pre existing dissatisfactions lives dissatisfactions ameliorated mumbo jumbo realities change experienced lsd gain knowledge that didn enjoy lsd twisted perception mark pundurs resemblance opinions and wolfram research inc purely coincidental
alt.atheism	genocide caused theism evidence apr gmt bobbe vice robert beauchaine yayg execellent examples luther insane rantings deleted gee sooooo surprised that don teach this part ideology high schools today mccreary edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	thoughts christians wed apr gmt sandvik newton apple kent sandvik wrote article rgkb darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu conner questioning blissful afterlife reason joined early xian church remember jacoby mythmaker talks this cite source not christians read this book addition social experiences raised and educated lutheran lot christian friends and even played two christian rock bands you mean hyam maccoby mythmaker mike mcangus truth truth mam mouse cmhnet org even you choose ignore sig viruses
alt.atheism	death penalty political atheists tue apr gmt bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner wrote this fascinating atheists argue for abortion defend homosexuality means population control insist that values biological and condemn war and capital punishment benedikt contardictory cannot exist this case means atheists suppose atheists you talking imnsho abortion womans choice homosexual sex choice people involved war sometimes this leaves capital punishment oppose capital punishemnt mistakes can happen this thread resolution recently poplulation control contraception and education courses action understand atheist can object war excellent means controlling population growth capital punishment logic escapes that you making assumption that atheists specific mindset and capital punishment questioned propriety killing punishment basis ecomplaint mistakes can happen bill and victim such mistake mike mcangus truth truth mam mouse cmhnet org even you choose ignore sig viruses
alt.atheism	americans and evolution tue apr gmt bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner wrote robert singleton bobs thnext mit edu wrote isn mutually exclusive lends weight increases notional running estimates posterior probability atheist pitch partition and necessarily reduces quantity theist pitch this divine component falls prey ockham razor phenomenon satisfactorily explained and independent evidence such component detail post occam razor not law nature analyzing argument even interesting cited and end odd that religion simultaneously condemned primitive simple minded and unscientific anti intellectual and childish and condemned complex occam razor scientific explanation things straightforeward and apparently simpler cute characterization bill inconsistency two statements even believes that religion primitive simple minded and unscientific anti intellectual and childish can hold view that religion adds unnecessary level complexity explanation ideas don complex excised occam razor add unnecessarily complexity description essential and you essential part explanatory system that adds predictive capability system that even scientists don fully comprehend science due complexity and diversity william occam performed lobotomy frontal lobe and thrown huh this confusing you will straighten tough watch your freudian slip showing mike mcangus truth truth mam mouse cmhnet org even you choose ignore sig viruses
alt.atheism	christian morality apr gmt dps nasa kodak dan schaertel wrote article vice ico tek bobbe vice ico tek robert beauchaine writes not believer god not concerned disposition beneath provide evidence require evidence that personality this god find compelling fact god you you for minute you love you you made love you wanted love you responsibility you love god and step promises for you you for doubt this dispute not givin sincere effort and described find god you efforts not sincere for effort put outward inward change that can perceive sincerely searching agnostic atheist supposed even search turns nothing simple logic arguments folly you read bible you will that jesus made fools trick logic ability reason spec creation ultimate you rely simply your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don you accept that you don you mean that your god order your god mike mcangus truth truth mam mouse cmhnet org even you choose ignore sig viruses
alt.atheism	hard soft strong weak kiss apr gmt timmbake mcl ucsb edu bake timmons wrote mccullou whipple wisc edu writes writing you soft atheist for flamage can back terms strong atheist and weak atheist this hard atheist and soft atheist can imagine future discussions newbies confusion multiplication descriptions rest deleted mike mcangus truth truth mam mouse cmhnet org even you choose ignore sig viruses
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality arromdee jyusenkyou jhu edu ken arromdee writes simple physics books and start for statements that objective physics doubt you will find you find statements that objective length objective location objective physics perhaps you understanding physics can measure objectively answers physics aren objective that mean objective physics can agree that gmm that maths physics you relate real world and can that objectively stuck this displays blatant bias applied science even theoretical physics gets applied models real world situations based real world observations for instance that speed light vacuum invariant this sounds awful lot objective speed light vacuum axiom that invariant two measure answers call that experimental error not error conventional sense fact you don that error you argue that objective call that odd usage word objective and opens for statements murder objectively wrong for people total population mathew
alt.atheism	burden proof watson sce carleton stephen watson writes kmr cwru edu keith ryan writes article healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammy healy writes fbi officials cult leader david koresh forced followers remain flames closed koresh armed guard injected children poison quiet fbi proof this quoting fbi official not fbi myabe lying cover telling truth children killed lone gunman second story window fired bullets space two seconds mathew
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alt.atheism	gulf war and peace niks mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes agreeing that soldiers job orders proof positive that people satire mathew
alt.atheism	atoms real years blah blah blah kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko writes mathew mathew mantis wrote difference chemist and taught chemistry cambridge university put this can answer originally pointing that your attitude don that chemists tend ignore kinds effects not important scientists science never anywhere your original posting stated that chemistry common ignore atomic interactions hang not atomic interactions general specific deemed unimportant gravitational interactions ions small drowned electrostatic effects and revolution teaching methods last years perhaps this revolution reach cambridge flamed for make people memorize equations and spectra decades discover revolutionary data book technique bitter and twisted mathew
alt.atheism	history texts ancient references christianity wrote diaries followers maharishi oregon historical evidence article psilink robert knowles psilink writes you confusing bhagwan rajneesh maharishi mahesh yogi chance that maharishi titular correct wrong maharishi rajneesh person maharishi mahesh maharishis russell
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article itp horus mchp sni frank frank dwyer specifically relativism concludes two people grotesquely disagree wrong and sometimes perhaps rarely pretty good idea wrong never information make guess make decision idea moral judgement meaningless implying that whether peace war meaningless question and not discussed for correct answer short positive assertion nice hope you can and predicated assumption that values real statements can consistently derive relativist assumption that values aren part objective reality relativist answer your question you phrase question makes unanswerable concepts and wrong correct incorrect true false belong domain epistemological moral questions makes sense moral position wrong legitimate good another position illustrate this point psychological derivatives epistemology and ethics perception and motivation can percept correct true veridical wrong incorrect false illusory makes sense motive true false hand strange whether percept morally good evil can that question motives your suggested answers simply can considered assume you can judge correctness moral judgment problem that double barrelled agree part that rightness moral position meaningless question for reasons stated that irrelevant alleged implication not implication that cannot feel peace war can make judgments bad asserting correctness position for lengthy dismissal short answer that two individuals grotesquely disagree moral issue correct wrong incorrect simply hold moral values feelings john johnson psuvm psu edu department psychology penn state dubois campus penn state not responsible for behavior ruthless doctrinaire avoidance degeneracy degeneracy another sort getting drunk and picking bar ladies and writing metaphysics part life lila pirsig
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality this swf another indirect post dan article apr asl nec duffy aslss asl nec joseph duffy writes article apr microsoft russpj microsoft russ paul jones writes that theory proven false you examine predicitions that theory makes and observe you don you observe things that theory predicts wouldn happen you evidence theory theory can modified incorporate observations you that false handle nonrepeatability experiment types experiments prediction that observed phenomena will happen and capable observed for example chemistry predict outcome chemical reaction and observe that reaction repeatedly problems you discussing experimental procedures observational procedures main criterion attempting verify idea make prediction unmade observations observations result experiment obsevations activity occuring spontaneossly nature even observations lasting results events long past that matters that observations this prediction science not predicting future this restricted sense secondly repeatability can forms requirement that independent observers verify results observation fossil repeatable since qualified observer this specimens reqtined museum implicit prediction that future fossil finds will correspond current fossils found that this tested regularly times fossil falsifies conclusion made basis previous fossils for you models that falsified alway peripheral model evolution for instance front legs tyrannosaurus rex turned tremendous muscles weakly endowed previously believed fact histoircal science findings repeatable sense becuase you cannot and repeat original event not make impossible make valid observations this not that biologists not coo coo extra terrestrial life discovered that make determination process abiogenesis relatively easy sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article apr monu monash edu darice yoyo monash edu fred rice writes intent post remember show that you cannot argue religion ideology for that matter actions claim followers you teachings religion principles ideology getting this argue islam you qur bringing khomeini relevant discussing khomeini not necessarily relevant discussing islam religion fred for purposes discussion disagree your point true sense that cannot argue communism reference chinese soviet empires since not represent true communism judging practical consequences islam force contend world today precisely khomeini world rushdie fatwa supporters and perhaps importantly reaction world muslim community extremists that perhaps your perspective people not concerned whether islam religion for whether qur used guidebook for hypothetical utopia islam affects world lives islam gains influence such possibilities not inconsiderable fear jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	hoban inimitable rushdie article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes interchange hoban deleted this post mine illustrates that not simply reactionary hates book doesn avoid upsetting religionists you haven read irony remains reiterate for nth time that don agree fatwa support censorship point original thread show rushdie not due sympathy hold religion high esteem and don enjoy things slander story satanic verses opposed rushdie tsv played for amusement you don agree fatwa and apparently don rushdie killed for book you not due sympathy for this threat you base this reaction solely fact that wrote story true reflect poorly absolute truth your religion this opinion formed recourse story used context accepting face widespread propaganda this book contains and author motivations and you come forward and recommend another book touches plays religious historical material you find presentation neutral jim perry perry dsinc decision support inc matthews opinions for nominal fee can
alt.atheism	death penalty political atheists bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes this fascinating atheists argue for abortion defend homosexuality means population control insist that values biological and condemn war and capital punishment benedikt contardictory cannot exist this case means atheists suppose understand atheist can object war excellent means controlling population growth capital punishment logic escapes you assume atheists alike atheist not existence god opinions issues such capital punishment and abortion vary greatly you attacking views atheist benedikt presume present your argument such and not lump together for issues start abortion personally not support abortion means population control contraception fact support woman abortion personal views arrogant individual not body and domain legislators not extend into uterus that opinion and atheists and theists disagree not defend homosexuality means population control defend end homosexuals angered hear characterizing personal relationship nothing conscious effort population levels for atheists believing values biological idea you talking finally issues war and capital punishment atheist can object easily theist you hung supposed conspiratorial link atheism and population control this atheist you referring posts back kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	faith and dogma tgk toronto edu todd kelley writes faith and dogma irrational faith and dogma part religion responsible for irrationality individuals disagree end individual responsible for irrationality individual belief dogmatic religion symptom that irrationality you noticed that philosophers tend atheists atheists and agnostics imagine that point atheist theoretically ill equipped study philosophy religion christian and persistence atheists ranks philosophers conflict religious beliefs lack thereof and ability philosopher not great you assert fact that philosophers religious secondary point science practiced atheists contrast built defence faith and dogma opposed science practiced theists careful science built defence faith and dogma skepticism not foolproof that wonderful creature theory theory evolution absolute proof that this theory true makes sense quite bit faith involved scientist holds sacred idea that beliefs change suit information time and and and scientist understands that current beliefs deficient not current beliefs deficient basically agree can you difference science views beliefs flawed and information can obtained improve ideally this true reality you acknowledge that scientists human scientists egos and biases scientists assume theory true refuse admit flaws that theory ego problems and proceed spend time and money come absolute proof for theory remember cold fusion wasn aware mass suicide problem waco and jonestown isolated incidents mass suicides common clinton and fbi love for you convince this save taxpayer lot money you not agree that spent money waco crisis outcome point that mass suicides rare jonestown guyana incidentally footed bill for clean and important issues address compare number citizens died mass suicides number soldiers died week vietnam war and you will point kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	rawlins debunks creationism article dglinnkv ctron news ctron king ctron john king writes iastate edu warren vonroeschlaub writes webster heard francis hitchings not answer evolutionist such informationless phrase paleontologist and author neck giraffe quote jack for your information checked library congress catalog and list books francis hitching earth magic neck giraffe darwin wrong pendulum psi connection world atlas mysteries tom scharle scharle irishmvs room computing center scharle lukasiewicz edu university notre dame notre dame usa
alt.atheism	rawlins debunks creationism article ursa bear halat pooh bears jim halat writes article sncl usenet ucs indiana edu adpeters sunflower bio indiana edu andy peters writes evolution theory and fact exactly amount each existence atoms and existence gravity you accept existence atoms and gravity fact you accept existence evolution fact andy don accept atoms gravity fact extremely mathematical models describe physical observations can make posters aptly explained atomic model gravity theory gravity waves even detected model that describes behavior objects this thing call gravity gravity not fact theoretical model used talk objects behave physical environment newton thought gravity simple vector force einstein wave models that religious overtones requirements faith you want demand that factual physical entity described exactly theory formulated talks that takes great leap faith religion takes evolution jim halat halat bear bear stearns doesn kill you will serve annoy you nyc speak for you accept fact roundness earth ancient greeks thought sphere and newton spheroid and people geoid isn your personal identity theoretical construct make sense memories feelings perceptions that fact for you give examples and factual your criteria btw your criteria gravity not fact that fact newton and einstein thoughts gravity fact that had thoughts don things that you asserting factual things gravity atoms evolution short willing your concept fact minimum examples you facts tom scharle scharle irishmvs room computing center scharle lukasiewicz edu university notre dame notre dame usa
alt.atheism	mottos replace dog trust pepke dirac scri fsu edu eric pepke writes mammon trust hey this piece paper spend quickly this your god john carpenter live natch steve lurking horror stelter sjs uxa cso uiuc edu
alt.atheism	fake god holy lies article apr zeus calpoly edu dmcaloon tuba calpoly edu david mcaloon writes remember einstien imagination greater knowledge einstein had lunch tien castro street yesterday handed fortune cookie that imagination not knowledge wings feet jon
alt.atheism	free moral agency told you atheist mythology for proving point bill
alt.atheism	free moral agency maddi hausmann madhaus netcom wrote that you representing real christians bill you asshole lost maddi that you can grasp obvious your devious nature can you find fault argument misrepresenting plainly that stating christian position understand not whether agree since point that flaws that position atheists invent never claimed expert and christianity made object pretty intense study years feel qualified discuss general propositions offends you that exposed distortions and misrepresentations christianity you contrive and rail classical strawman dodge this leaves you nothing attack usual you avoid larger issues picking insignificant stuff not find thing post that can discuss can you even issues bill
alt.atheism	free moral agency article uul darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes atheists posting argue parody religion create ridiculous caricature religion and attack believers that religion and religion ridiculous devices establish religion mythology you mean bobby mozumder myth wondered that point erect easy target and deflect disputants real issue atheism fictional christian moslem jew supposed distorted representation beliefs presented made fool and arguments can thereby made ludicrous mythology misrepresentations religion used fact you mean bobby mozumder didn post wondered that conner bobby mozumder myth performing artist real moslem crackpot provocateur you and read minds don you jon
alt.atheism	free moral agency article uul darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes atheists posting argue parody religion create ridiculous caricature religion and attack believers that religion and religion ridiculous devices establish religion mythology that not atheism mythology sense word religious paradoy significantly part rendered null and void simple fact that strong atheists that strong sense that find standard concept god meaning attempt bring meaning results destruction viability language internal contradiction concept strong atheism not whimsical fantasy and exist your strawman pointless and weak private note jennifer fakult this post sarcasm cycnicism irony humor aware this possibility and not confused and thrown for loop doubt assume owners this account not responsiblity for your confusion result your inability recognize read your risk jennifer
alt.atheism	free moral agency article uxj darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes told you atheist mythology for proving point bill you quoted and refered blank touche you correct atheistic mythology employed this board null and void private note jennifer fakult this post sarcasm cycnicism irony humor aware this possibility and not confused and thrown for loop doubt assume owners this account not responsiblity for your confusion result your inability recognize read your risk jennifer
alt.atheism	free moral agency article uzpe darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes offends you that exposed distortions and misrepresentations christianity you contrive and rail classical strawman dodge this leaves you nothing attack usual you avoid larger issues picking insignificant stuff not find thing post that can discuss can you even issues guess you not psycho analyst real life you play alt atheism esp you god private note jennifer fakult this post sarcasm cycnicism irony humor aware this possibility and not confused and thrown for loop doubt assume owners this account not responsiblity for your confusion result your inability recognize read your risk jennifer
alt.atheism	death penalty gulf war long article apr daffy wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough writes article optima arizona edu sham arizona edu shamim zvonko mohamed writes bullshit gulf massacre ordnance used smart rest that regular dumb iron bombs and stuff heard figures closer and that smart stuff hit follow that means this smart arsenal missed figures place hit ratio close higher your source that that date civilian death count excuse mean collateral damage never source that claiming such figure post source reliability can judged sources bill moyers happens theist tie this alt atheism pbs documentary war main source videotape include nation and progressive rest article mere rationalisation you claim that sanitation plants strategic legitimate targets happens civilians city sewer system happens civilians you destroy water purification plants and hospitals can handle resultant epidemics electricity and exactly your sources postol interviews media demostrates pentagon lied patriot effectiveness your source for effectiveness you claim case don this relevant alt atheism move shamim mohamed uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu this cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member league for programming freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	qur and atheists jewish settlers demolish mosque gaza article psilink robert knowles psilink writes date sun apr gmt fred rice darice yoyo monash edu qur talks lusts and worldly desires for god this encompasses atheists fred rice darice yoyo monash edu muslim men screwing fourteen year prostitutes thailand quote quote forms justification for athiesm and equanimity belief arrived
alt.atheism	free moral agency andrew newell tan psuvm psu edu wrote you letting atheist mythology confuse you issue webster myth traditional legendary story belief truth accepted uncritically that qualify almost oxymoronic amusing instance found that atheists hold almost atheist views accepted uncritically that legend explain basic truths myths don meet criterions andrew myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion absurd approach religion including christainity rational manner and debating claims stated atheists concoct outrageous parodies and hold religious accountable for beliefs don accurately oxymoric term reasonable atheist bill divine justice fundamental doctrines christianity man sinned that time you accuse referencing mythology you procede launch your xtian mythology this time meeting requirements myth good example read post acoording means referring christian doctrine understand speaking for you purpose posting present basic overview christain doctrines since germane bill pretend not and means atheists claim that not god exists and don contradict bible that authority bible claim repeat wrote for sake getting across you trust bible your trusting doesn make credible bible that that reason doubt bible not your alleged god alleged existance paraphrasing christian doctrine clear this point your dispute not bill refuted species wide condemnation justified that claim that evidence for existence god that will unknown deliberately ignore bible ignorance excuse don ignore bible bible universally accepted bible not proof god proof that people thought that god prove even that writing series fiction short stories case dionetics assuming writers believed thing possibly prove that believed and that ignoring problem whether not interpretations and biblical philosophers correct people never heard bible read faq you miss point bible not point contains makes difference accpets bible even unaware existence christians hold that applies universally mankind shares nature and fate and innate knowledge god you read post care read faq wouldn this conversation bill freedom you free ignore god you free ignore gravity and consequences inevitable and cases that atheist can accept evidence means bzzt wrong answer gravity directly doesn stop exerting direct and rationally undeniable influence you ignore god hand doesn generally show supermarket tabloids god doesn exert rationally undeniable influence gravity obvious gods aren evidence you don accept agree bill secondly human reason comforatble concept god that intrinsic nature human reason comes back question god generation and human reason hasn come back existance god come back existance god words doesn generally come back xtian god comes back whether god and oriental philosophic history generally doesn pop idea god question natural forces and world wide view human nature makes universe and force control natural tendancy god exists religious wishful thinking human reason come back existence god this discussion not bill this make point that christianity eminently reasonable that divine justice and human nature atheists whether you agree not you not correct human nature you basing your views completely eurocentric approach world you attempt sum humanity this interesting truth determined politically correct content granted extremely unhip wasp male and european contemptable thought this kind dialogue purpose truth things remember oxymoron reasonalble atheist and understand bill
alt.atheism	free moral agency james felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote you that physical adam and eve and that humans direct decendents two human beings cain and wives couldn sisters didn daughters humans humans direct descendents bunch hopeful monsters human race didn evolve set parents thousands you base your atheist this that humans this planet don instinctively that christian god exist claim instinctive knowledge doesn hold water you that billion christians world fight this instinctive urge acknowledge god and that people christians nature that christians hold that god christians worship thought distinction obvious read post and you written you agumentative your word wrap screwed you shift columns text bill
alt.atheism	free moral agency kent sandvik sandvik newton apple wrote agree had hard feeling not believing grand grand mother told elves dancing barns early mornings preferred not accept even statement provided truth life hard kent brilliant rebuttal apparently you opinion that ridicule suitable substitute for reason you find plenty company bill
alt.atheism	cruel kmr cwru edu keith ryan writes don forms execution painful electric chair pain relatively short lived drawing and quartering hand painful and victim wouldn die bleed death imagine cruel punishment not painful you origionally stated long term pain short lived this sudden chance your stance don changed stance original stance that painless execution not cruel didn considered cruel that painless death wasn cruelty involve sort suffering don that gets shot head electrocuted suffers even hanging produces sharp instance pain quickly hmmmmm pardon that counter example made renders your previous stance null and void don you admit that your previous stance incorrect you managed slip and misstated your origional stance not admit stated that painless death isn cruel don stated that painful executions cruel that cruel depending nature and duration pain long long instant guess death suffocation asphyxiation blood loss cruel this includes gas chamber and drawing and quartering that pain that lasts twenty seconds long this arbitrary cutoff suppose keith
alt.atheism	christian morality dan schaertel dps nasa kodak wrote article ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko writes love god loves seduce you rape not that great fun not felt joy and peace christians speak longing gaze this not believed hide fear getting punished for never bible hopelessly confusing for for god not answer end found had mass delusion lie can refuses give slightest hint existence christians and suggest honestly reconsider reasons and analyse position fact amusing note this context that fundamentalist publications exactly opposite not examine belief critically you left testimony posted this group two months ago day finally found faith decided time cycle emotional responses fired once this time delusion lasted couple hours told friend phone that works god hung had admit that had lied and fallen prey illusion asks you swallow fact jesus warns you question you beleive you learn history class for that matter school mean people told you and you don want swallow used read books younger people told grew and skeptical read learned means use reason student chemistry had perform qualitative analysis mixture two organic compounds lab hated experiments this fashioned and increase student workload considerably had twice since failed attempt never forget lesson matter strongly you structure unknown tempting jump into conclusions leap faith assure oneself ignore data inconsistent can wrong found that exactly mechanism god mental assurance suspension fear filtering information words god playing part life death and resurection christ documented historical fact and had this dan ufo stories documented resurrection jesus resurrection documented quite haphazardly bible authors not pay attention wild rumour leave ends gospels additions and insertions for instance end mark missing early texts bible jesus lived and died misunderstood you learn you choose and not this easy that world exists independent mind and that logic and reason can used interpret and analyse observe nothing faith will evidence makes difference whether george washington existed not assume that vast amount evidence presented into sceptical heart you can not you sincere effort attitude you you trust not church and participate activities you willing die for you believed liar you attitude reading your bible willing die for faith remembered heroes dan you lying believed firmly for years difficult admit that believed not anymore can lying blind trust dangerous and another blind led blind god willing don whether exists evidence doesn petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game
alt.atheism	upi mother files complaint boy scouts default followups newsgroups short excerpt brookfield wis upi mother filed complaint elmbrook school board alleging son elementary school and parent teacher organization show discrimination supporting boy scouts gisele klemp wednesday pto sponsorship boy scout troop and cub scout pack that meet hillside elementary school surbarban milwaukee discrimination boy scouts ban homosexuals pto president gail pludeman disputed charges discrimination and believes boy scouts beneficial carl kadie not represent organization this kadie uiuc edu
alt.atheism	free moral agency article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes humans direct descendents bunch hopeful monsters human race didn evolve set parents thousands you base your atheist this article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes brilliant rebuttal apparently you opinion that ridicule suitable substitute for reason you find plenty company bill conner meet bill conner jon
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality article kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan writes sun starts orbit earth will accept bible you forget that two spinning skaters orbit each
alt.atheism	you will hell article apr wam umd edu willdb wam umd edu william david battles article apr ncsu edu aiken news ncsu edu wayne nmi aiken writes jsn psuvm psu edu wrote you blashephemers you will hell for not believing god prepared for your eternal damnation leave terminal unattended not jesus freak post jsn psuvm penn state loaded hilt bible bangers use vomit and reason left even had group stop playing rock music dining halls year cuz deemed satanic kampus krusade for khrist people run damn place for part liberal arts departments safe havens sounds you penn state kampus krusade for khrist vocal power sometimes lot generally vocal opposition aren that krusaders liberals tend can since want allowed lives want you don hear bible bangers stand want forced live bible banger rules krusaders don run this place average mix people rest and factions louder andrew
alt.atheism	free moral agency article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion absurd approach religion including christainity rational manner and debating claims stated atheists concoct outrageous parodies and hold religious accountable for beliefs don accurately oxymoric term reasonable atheist religious parodies not atheistic paradies substantiate that parodies and outrageous specifically iup outrageous religions private note jennifer fakult this post sarcasm cycnicism irony humor aware this possibility and not confused and thrown for loop doubt assume owners this account not responsiblity for your confusion result your inability recognize read your risk jennifer
alt.atheism	cruel article bkpinno gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider writes stated that painless death isn cruel don stated that painful executions cruel that cruel depending nature and duration pain hanging painful you not condemned die instant guess death suffocation asphyxiation blood loss cruel this includes gas chamber and drawing and quartering that pain that lasts twenty seconds long this arbitrary cutoff suppose hanging not supposed pleasant that actuality not quick and clean gas chambers can quite painful heck not give good time suffication nitrious oxide private note jennifer fakult this post sarcasm cycnicism irony humor aware this possibility and not confused and thrown for loop doubt assume owners this account not responsiblity for your confusion result your inability recognize read your risk jennifer
alt.atheism	books stuff hard find atheist books deleted perhaps infiltration fundies school boards city councils etc you can find alternative media
alt.atheism	cults religions bill ray ray engr latech edu wrote james thomas green jgreen trumpet calpoly edu wrote conclusion can shown that essentially logical argument differentiates cult religion challenge produce distinction clear and can easily knocked this religion cult stood test time history written winners and not losers religions religion cult that vile and corrupt exert doctrine political and military measures perhaps koresh withstood onslaught for another couple months started attracting converts due strength full religion and not cult carl christensen dept computer science christen astro ocis temple edu temple university curiouser and curiouser philadelphia usa
alt.atheism	nicknames cmtan iss nus tan chade meng dan writes forgotten nickname tan chade meng chinese nicknames front unenlightened thought your nickname unenlightened maddi hausmann madhaus netcom centigram communications corp san jose california kids don this home remember post professionally
alt.atheism	asimov stamp article dcs pdc dcs paul crowley writes quoting schnitzi eustis ucf edu mark schnitzius article schnitzi eustis religious types snit due asimov atheism can confirm this told that asimov converted christianity point good quotes absolutely not asimov lifelong atheist and times death judging stories told life felt culturally closest judaism makes sense born jewish wente llnl gov
alt.atheism	free moral agency dean kaflowitz decay cbnewsj att wrote you letting atheist mythology great start realize immediately that you not interested discussion and thump your babble prefer answer healy reasonable and reasoned approach things aren you creationist guy made lot silly statements evolution time ago duh gee talking christian mythology hoping discuss reasonable logical person you for your side repetition boring mythology thousand times deleting rest your remarks spot that approaches answer repetition uninteresting doctrine and thought congratulate you bill you wouldn logical argument bit you balls such persistent lack function face repeated attempts assist you learning this forum and past speaks talent that meager abilities don that capacity for ignoring influences dean kaflowitz dean read your comments you that characterizing argument refuting you that hominum attacks sufficient make point you disapproval you contribution make bill
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote article ursa bear halat pooh bears jim halat writes atoms not objective aren even real scientists call atom nothing mathematical model that describes physical observable properties surroundings subjective jim halat this deserves framing atoms aren even real atoms electron microscopes atoms figments imaginations evidence that atoms real overwhelming won bother evidence moment you that eye perceives images actaully perceived this interesting thought that electron microscope used wavelength light can illuminate object atomic scale this image resolution wouldn illuminating sources wavelength orders magnitude size thing observed atom probablity cloud lower resolutions give appearance solidity fairly that atom not object conventional sense not physicist question ramification philosophic nature stray thought carry bill
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality mike cobb cobb alexia lis uiuc edu wrote true length time for discussions creationism evolutionism atheists and christians debating since and debate unabated passion mike referrences creation evolution times and question point view derived direct observation can scientific controversy concerned consequences truth truth sides hold philosophical outcome and can wondering pointed view human nature makes that knowing anyhthing objectively knowledge inherently subjective context you stand based you true you want true and can you difference bill
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality kent sandvik sandvik newton apple wrote article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner wrote that chooses observe and observation interpreted and significance depends great deal values observer science human activity and such subject potential for distortion human activity myth that scientists moral influence ethical concern that knowledge can abstacted and pure nature untainted biases scientist nonsense bill this wonderfully phrased assume you understand that your statement undermining such human constructs religion kent accept this compliment paranoid visiting extent statements relevence human nature not undermines religion atheism since claim special knowledge truth and since such claims suspect can learn that humans arrogant species point that cannot ignore human nature examining human claims trick find abstract infinitely fallible nature reality can can this can bill
alt.atheism	shit shoveler amusing atheists and robert beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek wrote precisely position newbie point point approach debate types wasted time and lifespan ignoring not option since don and leave large stretches complete anonymity this group bob posted long your name times can recall point point approach you contributed senile and forgotten you post example your invincible logic jog memory bill
alt.atheism	free energy technology free energy technology robert mcelwaine physicist ninety hundred years ago knew that heavier air machine not possibly fly violate laws physics experts and authorities for example simon newcomb declared demonstration that combination substances forms machinery and forms force can united practical machine man fly long distances air writer complete for demonstration physical fact fortunately smart people such wright brothers not accept such pronouncements final word airplanes for granted crash today orthodox physicists and scientists similar things kinds free energy technologies negative terms such pseudo science and perpetual motion and citing called laws assert that energy cannot created destroyed law thermodynamics and decrease energy law thermodynamics physicists not things arrogantly declare that things cannot such principles impotence common orthodox modern science and cover inconsistencies and contradictions orthodox modern theories free energy inventions devices can tap seemingly unlimited supply energy universe burning kind fuel making perfect solution world wide energy crisis and associated pollution degradation and depletion environment free energy devices not create energy tap into existing natural energy sources forms induction unlike solar wind devices energy storage capacity can tap energy needed needed solar energy dis advantage that sun blocked clouds trees buildings earth reduced haze smog thick atmosphere low altitudes and high latitudes likewise wind speed widely variable and existent solar wind power suitable directly power cars and airplanes properly designed free energy devices not such limitations for example patents and awarded for motors that run exclusively permanent magnets seemingly tapping into energy circulating earth magnetic field two require feedback network order running described detail science mechanics magazine spring amazing magnet powered motor jorma hyypia pages and front cover requires critical sizes shapes orientations and spacings magnets feedback such motor drive electric generator reversible heatpump home year round for free complete descriptive copies patents each patent office jefferson davis hwy arlington correct digit patent number required getting copies article and patents your local public university library inter library loan dept second type free energy device such gray motor patent tesla coil and motor inventor joseph newman science pages taps electro magnetic energy induction earth resonance cycles per second harmonics typically spark gap circuit serves synchronize energy coils energy tapped important that total inductance and capacitance device combine resonate frequency earth resonance order maximize power output this output can increased centering spark gap neutral center strong shaped permanent magnet case tesla coil slipping toroid choke coil secondary coil will enhance output power earth energy fuelless propulsion power systems john bigelow health research box mokelumne hill austrian civil engineer named viktor schauberger invented and partially developed implosion turbine german name zokwendle analyzing erosion and lack erosion differently shaped waterways and developing sophisticated mathematical equations explain described book breakthrough free energy sources dan davidson water pumped impeller pump logarithmic spiral shaped coil tubing reaches critical velocity water implodes longer touching inside walls tubing and drives pump converts pump motor into electric generator device tapping energy that earth rotation coriolis effect tornado can neutralize gravity fourth type free energy device mcclintock air motor patent cross diesel engine cylinders compression ratio and rotary engine solar and planetary gears burns fuel becomes running driving air compressor this engine generates lot heat used heat buildings and high torque makes ideal for large trucks preventing slowing climbing hills david mcclintock real original inventor automatic transmission differential and wheel drive crystals someday used supply energy shown star trek shows perhaps inserting each metal capacitor plates and bombarding beam particles small radioactive source that used common household smoke detector energy source mentioned despite fact that not fit definition free energy bulgarian born american physicist named joseph maglich invented and partially developed atomic fusion reactor calls migma radioactive deuterium fuel unlimited quantities sea water not produce radioactive waste can converted directly into electricity energy wasting steam turbines and can constructed small power house large power city and unlike tokamaks and laser fusion monstrosities that read migma works producing watts power for watt put times version pages and cold fusion experiments that news originally conducted university utah researchers stanley pons and martin fleischmann navy researchers china lake naval weapons center california direction chemist melvin miles finally trouble collect bubbles coming such apparatus had analyzed mass spectrometry techniques and found helium proves that atomic fusion place and explain excess heat generated good indications that two called laws thermodynamics not absolute for example late physicist dewey larson developed comprehensive general unified theory physical universe calls reciprocal system describes detail books such nothing motion and universe motion physical universe two distinct halves material half and anti matter half continuous cycle matter and energy passing heat death predicted thermodynamic laws theory explains universe modern orthodox theories including phenomena that orthodox physicists and astronomers scratching heads and consistent free energy devices tapping into that energy flow seemingly converting low quality energy into high quality energy religious organizations such sant mat and eckankar teach members that physical universe lowest dozen major levels existence parallel universes analogous channels described books path masters julian johnson and eckankar key secret worlds sri paul twitchell for example level physical universe commonly called astral plane long time members groups learned soul travel into higher worlds and report conditions plausible that energy flow higher levels into physical universe created boundary configuration matter channel this supported successful laboratory controlled experiments psycho kinesis world such described book psychic discoveries iron curtain terms economics market failed inventors not money and resources fully develop and mass produce free energy equipment and conventional energy producer desire ted intere government needed intervene government not intervene total supply energy resources earth will continue decline and will run prices for energy will increase and pollution and harmful effects including greenhouse effect acid rain smog radioactive contamination oil spills rape land strip mining etc will continue increase government subsidize research and development free energy inventors and universities subsidize private production producers can make and subsidize consumption low income consumers free energy hardware long range effects such government intervention wide spread and profound quantity energy demanded conventional energy producer coal mining companie oil companie and countries electric utilitie etc drop forcing employees seek work energy resources coal uranium oil and gas left ground prices for conventional energy supplies drop price free energy equipment start high drop supply increases happened vcr personal computers etc costs producing products that require large quantities energy produce decrease prices consumers consumers realize opportunity costs paying electric utility bills buying home heating fuel tourism benefit and increase travelers not spend money for gasoline for cars government tax revenue gasoline and fuels obtained and energy longer used motive excuse for making war conventional energy producer business society and earth environment and ecosystems benefit greatly people that government serve big corporation and bank for information answers your questions etc consult cited sources patents articles books altered reproduction and dissemination this important information encouraged robert mcelwaine physics
alt.atheism	christian morality dan schaertel dps nasa kodak wrote back years pretend you someday will men moon remember you world flat this quite extraordinary claim lewis argued that medieval people not world flat this argument ways pretend telling plato that highly probable that people not souls minds and consciousness brains make and brains body ahead mind even voluntarly actions don plato happy this and paul paul ideas quite you read discuss this group and not preach you that evidence favour statements applies theory natural selection sacred cows christianity origins and human nature don spirits devils immortal souls gods fact can argue existence god end time prove disprove will time truth hope and and hope and pray that you find your you you you want this had assumed shouldn guess can plant seeds grow don you planting satan seeds thought this you haven explained blindly guiding light haven noticed don this fair play god part your argument sounds version pascal wager read faq this fallacy discussed won not planted holy spirit nurishment that helps grow and that comes god and failed had wrong attitude dan not this spirit exists people claim access badly deluded not gifted petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game
alt.atheism	free moral agency bil okcforum osrhe edu bill conner writes that you can grasp obvious your devious nature can you find fault argument misrepresenting gee since you entire substance substantial post you lot nerve claiming that don understand talked respond previous post shut fuck you annoying maddi hausmann madhaus netcom centigram communications corp san jose california kids don this home remember post professionally
alt.atheism	free energy technology article apr cnsvax uwec edu mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu writes free energy inventions devices can tap seemingly unlimited supply energy universe burning kind fuel making perfect solution world wide energy crisis and associated pollution degradation and depletion environment give call you build working model talk stock options private note jennifer fakult this post sarcasm cycnicism irony humor aware this possibility and not confused and thrown for loop doubt assume owners this account not responsiblity for your confusion result your inability recognize read your risk jennifer
alt.atheism	qur and atheists jewish settlers demolish mosque gaza article apr doug cae wisc edu kahraman hprisc cae wisc edu gokalp kahraman writes this respect since atheists dominantly arrogant and claim control and ownership make pharoahs humble decent people comparison logic this since and things existent and standing and living etc atheists tend claim control and ownership you that theists claim not control don atheists dominantly arrogant don claim god that supremacy mankind this claim arrogant atheists don claim atheists claim disagreement this claim ownership supremely arrogant john david munch jmunch hertz elee calpoly edu heart can change full hate love people allowed base lives hearts can happen dangerous situation opinion bobby mozumder describing problems atheism
alt.atheism	cults religions media religion and cult relative connotations government and terrorist group wingate peace god peace strife closed sod mangoe umd edu brothers pray for thing tove mangoe marv lous peace god
alt.atheism	science and theories article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu mike cobb writes per threads science and creationism started dabbling into book called christianity and nature science moreland don this book will use your heresay question that had come comments stated that god not necessarily religious term used scientific terms that give explanation for events theories proven scientific fact depends defines god understand meaning that term preclues used science ideas drawn understanding that god supernatural precludes forming scientific assertions that can falsified that can decide that true false terms use and observations drawn religionists interest bluring definitions science make reconcilable and subserviant basic religious dogma this pursuit fails point can quote section vague examples gave quarks and continental plates explanations science parts theories that not measurable and can quantified measured tested etc reconciliation science religion involves circumventing tendancy claim that pursuit can gain absolute certian knowledge that domain truth each fundementally limited gererally confurs element uncertainty and limitations human knowledge allowing for concerns separate pursuits science and religion questions imperfect and provisional answers science distinctly limited can meaningful questions questions can posed can answer basis sacred language place words fail and mere assertions disolve contradiction bruce salem
alt.atheism	satanic jon livesey writes time copy text correctly that includes obvious corruptions this real mystery matter and dubious lot source theories number places masoretic text obscure and corrupted reproduced exactly copy copy dss tend reflect errors this that point people began copy texts exactingly and mechanically problem don that accurate transmission begins point texts perceived texts added and situations such end mark material lost for part substantial existing text you basically make mountain molehill people use game telephone metaphor for transmission texts this wrong texts transmitted accurately wingate peace god peace strife closed sod mangoe umd edu brothers pray for thing tove mangoe marv lous peace god
alt.atheism	albert sabin wpr atlanta bill rawlins newsgroups alt atheism organization dgsid atlanta since you referred messiah assume you referring testament detail your complaints mail you don want post century greek and understood you considered josephus jewish historian wrote jesus addition gospel accounts harmony that comments josephus relating jesus inserted badly editors for gospels harmony issue jesus you not you speak contradictions starting trial and continuing assension death judas betrayal jesus acts this man judas purchased field reward iniquity and falling headlong burst asunder midst and bowels gushed matt and judas cast pieces silver temple and departed and and hanged and chief priests bought potter field jesus prediction peter denial cock crow matthew cock crow twice mark times cock crow mar and second time cock crew and peter called mind word that jesus cock crow twice thou shalt deny thrice and thought thereon wept mat began curse and swear not man and immediately cock crew mat and peter remembered word jesus cock crow thou shalt deny thrice and and wept bitterly luk and peter man not thou sayest and immediately spake cock crew luk and lord turned and looked peter and peter remembered word lord had cock crow thou shalt deny thrice joh jesus answered wilt thou lay thy life for sake verily verily thee cock not crow thou hast denied thrice joh peter denied and immediately cock crew destruction cities jeremiah zechariah this interesting matthew quotes prophesy that never made not time this mat fulfilled that spoken jeremy prophet and thirty pieces silver price that valued children israel zechariah nothing jeremiah remotely color robe jesus trial scarlet matthew purple john time crucifiction mark hour john sixth hour noon sentence passed inscription cross matthew this jesus king jews mark king jews luke this king jews john jesus nazareth king jews give drink vinegar matthew wine myrrh mark women cross matthew stood including mary magdaline mary mother james and mother zebedee children mark and luke speak and mark includes mary magdeline and mary mother james john that jesus mother stood cross sister and mary magdalene jesus last words matt and ninth hour jesus cried loud voice eli eli lama sabachthani that god god hast thou forsaken jesus cried loud voice yielded ghost luke and jesus had cried loud voice father thy hands commend spirit and gave ghost john jesus had received vinegar finished and bowed head and gave ghost events crucifiction matthew that veil temple rent that earthquake and that dark sixth ninth hour that graves opened and bodies saints arose and into jeruselem appearing beating jesus resurection mark and luke speak darkness and veil temple rent mention earthquake risen saints john mentions jesus side peirced burial jesus matthew jews asked pilate for guard prevent body stolen disciples and for tomb sealed this supposedly gospels not mention precautions long jesus tomb depends you matthew jesus prophesying that will spend days and nights heart earth and mark days meta treis emeras will rise can quick prophecies days post resurrection narratives day time resurection matthew sunday dawn mark sun rising and john dark empty tomb mat end sabbath began dawn day week mary magdalene and mary sepulchre mar and sabbath past mary magdalene and mary mother james and salome had bought sweet spices that come and anoint joh day week cometh mary magdalene early dark sepulchre and seeth stone sepulchre tomb mat and behold great earthquake for angel lord descended heaven and and rolled back stone door and sat mat countenance lightning and raiment white snow mat and for fear keepers shake and dead men mat and angel answered and women fear not for that seek jesus crucified mar and entering into sepulchre young man sitting side clothed long white garment and affrighted luk and pass perplexed thereabout behold two men stood shining garments joh and seeth two angels white sitting head and feet body jesus had lain belief that disciples stole jesus body matthew guard paid this story gospel makes this claim appearences risen jesus matthew angel tomb told two marys and that jesus told disciples meet galilee disciples mountain previously agreed opon and met jesus this appearance women tomb matthew devotes verses visit disciples mark that jesus walked two disciples country and that told rest disciples refused appeared disciples mealtime luke two followers day that jesus rose dead emmaus village miles jeruselem and jesus jioned unrecognised ate meal together that evening finally recognised jesus whereopon dissapeared returning once jeruselem told disciples experience and suddenly jesus appeared frightening thought spirit jesus ate fish and honey and preached john jesus appeared disciples evening day arrose jeruselem hiding breathed holy ghost opon thomas not present and refused days jesus joined disciples place and this time convinced thomas once jesus made appearance disciples sea tiberias not recognised telling cast netson side boat jesus becomes and prepares bread and fish for eat together and converse book acts adds confusion that jesus showed apostles for period days resurection contradicting matthew mark luke and john and spoke things pertaining kingdom god and had spoken things beheld and cloud recieved sight and looked steadfastly heaven two men stood white apparel men galilee stand gazing into heaven this jesus you into heaven comein manneras into heaven acts paul outdoes authority that jesus persons time resurection and assension not claims that born due time jesus cor ascension matthew nothing mark casually that jesus recieved into heaven finished talking disciples jeruselem luke jesus led desciples bethany and that blessed parted and carried into heaven john nothing acts contradicts previous section second coming mat verily you this generation not pass till things fulfilled mar verily you that this generation not pass till things luk verily you this generation not pass till fulfilled thessalonians apostles office resurection and ascention corinthians matthew minus acts mathias not elected resurrection mat eleven disciples into galilee into mountain jesus had appointed ascend heaven and elijah whirlwind into heaven kings man hath ascended heaven that heaven son man john you can number contradictions account trial crucifiction and resurection jesus good witnesses you that important details fact cannot find points agree you that agree points supposedly observing fact that contradiction and error story resurection presented cannot literal truth due nature story doubt sort truth alan
alt.atheism	albert sabin wpr atlanta bill rawlins newsgroups alt atheism organization dgsid atlanta problem that scientists exclude possibility supernatural question origins this fair premise utterly reject hypothesis that science highest form truth crap that creationists put manage distortions and half truths not taking quotes context called human creatures apes humans fancifully reconstructed fragments genetic code shown man realted primates that fossil record detail creationists and ignore good deeds not justify person god sight atonement jesus needed atone for sin your bible surprised christian rules bible pick and choose local biases point god creator agree your proof you your god send you info mail regards bill not post interested alan
alt.atheism	years can that christian morality theory creationism theistic view theory creationism stated genesis beginning god created heavens and earth and order creation you accept story creation places bible story contradicts example gen and god made beast earth kind and cattle kind and thing that creepeth earth kind and god that good gen and god make man image likeness and dominion fish sea and fowl air and cattle and earth and creeping thing that creepeth earth gen and lord god not good that man alone will make meet for gen and ground lord god formed beast field and fowl air and brought adam call and whatsoever adam called living creature that name thereof even your bible cannot agree things created alan
alt.atheism	thoughts house helios usq edu ron house newsgroups alt atheism organization university southern queensland bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrence bissell writes want start and that christian shouldn involved bit deleted book that jesus liar crazy modern day koresh rest rant deleted this standard argument for fundies can you spot falicy statement arguing assumption that jesus existed not offer real proof that existance flawed writings josh mcdowell and prove writers use flawed sources real sources not will learn real research believing drivel sold christian bookstores righto dan this your cornflakes book that muhammad liar crazy modern day mad mahdi reasons wouldn liar follows die for lie wouldn people liar people gathered and gathered hearing son law made sun stand call fool make sun stand niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous for example drawn mad mahdi fool logical people this since wasn liar lunatic real thing nice rebutal alan
alt.atheism	you god court bobbe vice robert beauchaine yayg pontificated guess don understand problem never had problem swearing and name god sentence comes quite naturally matter facxt guess that you mean that you don problem swearing aligance existant that you deliberatily dense group this doesn come quite naturally nonbelievers such even followers religions you quite natural you forced swear allah budda james green jgreen oboe calpoly edu times and nations priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
alt.atheism	alleged deathbed conversions asimov stamp article sheafferc brs netcom sheaffer netcom robert sheaffer writes had happen allegation deathbed conversion noted unbeliever examples deathbed conversion claims common that utterly unsubstantiated and almost untrue not quick that almost untrue even strong minded people fall back childhood indoctrination grasp straws strange things faced extreme suffering not mention physiological problems lead diminished mental capacity risk restarting argument and accusations appeal authority remind readers posted back kind obituary for late atheist albert sabin interview rebroadcast public radio death told time years stricken illness admitted cried god critically ill and respirator turned recovered and lived years recovery attributed this early indoctrination don couldn happen you that hasn happened even you people experienced things this people admire sabin for admitting human weakness that instance not asimov for similar weakness nevertheless agree that reports unsubstantiated and untrue case not evidence for power early indoctrination and human frailty bill mayne
alt.atheism	rushdie islamic law article edu jaeger buphy edu gregg jaeger writes deletion that original answer not that head necessarily ass meaningless and pointless not insinuated don header referring bob poster responding distinctly remember thinking responding you wrote this case make apologies event that fact responding bob hereby apologize bob for insinuating such thing bob hand that ben head ass that can bob gregg answer post mine and you quite fond abusing language whenever you your religion misrepresented trouble telling apart bob beauchaine wait for your answer that quran you beat your wife into submission you quite upset claim that correct you wasn asked you your consequences case quran you simply ceased respond that thread can that you found meantime that holy book your consequences your upset show you simple inherit your morals book suddenly correct that words muhammad reflect primitive machism society you spent your time your gained freedom benedikt
alt.atheism	alleged deathbed conversions asimov stamp article panix carlf panix carl fink writes sheafferc brs netcom sheaffer netcom robert sheaffer writes deletion had happen allegation deathbed conversion noted unbeliever recall similar claims made voltaire mencken darwin ingersoll etc literary hoax attributed nietzsche sister and portrays trembling fear divine judgment and recently issued amok books introduction lutheran professor telling deathbed conversion claims common that utterly unsubstantiated and almost untrue perhaps believable and infurating alleged conversion that tom paine reported devout relatives asimov convert christianity deathbed return judaism perhaps revert childhood training christianity good doctor likely converted hinduism isaac asimov read creationist books read bible had ample opportunity kneel creator and savior refused fact strong promotional letter urging support american humanist association shortly died excerpt ken ham asimov meets creator back genesis june included acts facts vol june institute for creation research this offensive articles published argues deathbed conversion part article even worse quoted excerpt reader letter that asimov burning hell had degree change beliefs creation and creator post deathbed conversion jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophy lippard arizvms bitnet university arizona tucson
comp.graphics	quicktime performance rumours discussion observed playback speeds quicktime effects scaling and thought tests felt that original speed test perhaps realistic movie had had frames version movie created compact video compressor decided longer give closer real world results for for worse pulled copy space odyssey that had recorded back fifteen minutes into movie sequence earth shuttle approaching space station specifically digitized portion seconds duration zooming rotating space station figured this give reasonable amount movement frames increase differences frames digitized frames per second give total frames captured raw footage resolution pixels spigot card centris quarter size resolution pal source imported into premiere and put compact video compressor keeping fps frame rate created two versions movie scaled resolution resolution used default quality setting premiere and key frame ten frames ran movie raw speed test program used for results reporting earlier result playback rate frames per second that getting higher result that short test movie for fun copied movie external hard disk quantum and ran this time playback rate frames per second internal hard disk quantum significant contributor speed playback modified speed test program specification optional scaling factors and playing back movie scaled size this time playback speed fps poster observed poor performance scaled playback quicktime action not tests quicktime don compatible centris and system unscaled playback rate for movie fps thing saving versions movie preferred playback rates greater and played movieplayer quicktime normal synchronized playback preferred rate fps didn work playback jerky compare this raw speed test achieved fps ease can that quicktime synchronization code add this overhead slowdown coming mac system task switching preferred rate fps work fine couldn evidence stutter fps slight stutter key frames second hard guess recreating movies longer interval key frames make stutter noticeable this will improve compression slightly speed playback performance even lawrence oliveiro fone computer services dept fax university waikato electric mail ldo waikato hamilton zealand gmt
comp.graphics	icn msdos pbm pgm ppm format icons iconedit and pbicon format and convert pbm pgm ppm format you formats iconedit pbicon for your rene kiwi iis ethz
comp.graphics	bit graphics howdy oehler yar wisc edu wonko sane writes recently talking employer mine and made reference bit graphics computer image processing system remember called image akin that claimed had bit color bit alpha channel that bits info that possibly for specifically bit color that trillion colors human eye can resolve this anti aliasing thing this magic number make work processor hmm bit aye beats bit design for thee sake ellegance bit means bits per primary colour colours bit misleading makes sense shades pure red this make sense since shades red bit colours produce visible jumps intensity byte per primary colour for each pixel elegant colour graphics leaves such tidy and fast program code care bram flying nack trick bram stolk stolk fwi uva throw ground dept maths computer science and miss douglas adams university amsterdam dont use windoze prefer linux
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comp.graphics	human body data sets needed urgently for datasets human body head popular formats presentation tomorrow greatly enhanced bringing this human factor looked net sucess ideas info location datasets for uss enterprise model advance ronan
comp.graphics	illustrator autotrace poorly mac utkvx bitnet richard mcdougald writes article vmcbrt diablo diablo cboesel charles boesel writes application softwares even come hasn written knowledge mean even hijaak commercial industry standards file conversion hasn attempted adobe streamline couple years job autotracing functions built into illustration programs higher resolution bitmap will produce accurate trace problem that run into that creates detailed trace produces points trace manually use points problem this produces big files slow printing chuck
comp.graphics	wanted scott leatham microsoft days ago mail bitmap stretching scott leatham microsoft redmond usa answer back lost email address scott that email address reads this mail address can answer mail mail efd lth tomas
comp.graphics	pov problems tga outputs remember that unix versions pov don create tga qrt file format output default needed make tga brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck irs inf dresden
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comp.graphics	illustrator autotrace poorly mac utkvx bitnet richard mcdougald writes since not such thing decent raster vector conversion program this tracing technique simple stuff logos etc pretty complicated stuff haywire and thing auto trace piece uscg nautical chart adobe illustrator wanted outline coast for western long island sound simultaneously suprised good job and disappointed poorly suspect gave difficult thing not coastline irregular overlaid chart numerous sets gridlines not lattitude and longitude loran grids common mistake make whenever coastline roughly parallel and tangent grid line gridline coast improvement sort interactive algorithm that you step and dummy you wrong steve reisberg friend mine years back doctoral work analysing electron micrographs filimentous phage virii good chunk work writing program digitized micrograph and automatically trace centerline virus particles this essentially problem that illustrator solve auto trace tool respects problem steve worked harder since quantitative analysis virus structure and finding good centerline step step future analysis depended respects easier problem since program written lot knowledge virus particles supposed and analysis restricted particles happend relatively straight clean and imaged you don that freedom auto tracing real life images case gave insight into difficult this problem solve general case steve longer and wife disappeared vacation hawaii couple years graduated last location hiking densely wooded mountainous area bodies found presumed victim sort fall accident woods roy smith roy nyu edu hippocrates project department microbiology coles nyu school medicine avenue york this never happened bart simpson
comp.graphics	rumours johnm spudge lonestar org john munsch writes article lot rapnbh viamar rutgers viamar kmembry writes read issue wired magazine long article hype noticed that article talks designers and great never show pictures output pictures that can understand gamepro magazine published pictures months ago and computer chronicles program that syndicated public stations nation spent minutes shown ces impressive can real time john munsch april edition mix magazine carries story includes pictures unit schematic inside and indication people intend and stages mix trade rag aimed professional sound engineering community schematic shows central dma engine connecting and mediating two graphics animation processors bit bus bit risc processor math processor video decomp module control port expansion port hangs double fast player dram optional video port for editing video and outbound side vram video processor chain parallel dsp sound chain promise red book quality audio full fps video and future connection path your expansion card not informed opinion means and methods discussed article written philip lancie cover machines mentioned this thread come tcp world and tremendous potential for bringing connectedness educated consumer business partners make this happen hope this helps david shute email dks world std
comp.graphics	real earlier today read for real animation ray tracing software and looked convincing don amiga and began version used real for dos rauno rene haapaniemi word true haapanatie for that lies oulu reneh otol douglas adams
comp.graphics	hallusion info hallusions you can buy poster and simple dot pattern you you focus you picture for program that generates pictures company texas that makes doubt giving program appreciated
comp.graphics	cgm preferably pcx converter cgm pcx common spent time searching archives luck you email your responses thx advance mike jupiter sun csd unb
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comp.graphics	real rauno haapaniemi raunoh otol wrote earlier today read for real animation ray tracing software and looked convincing good don amiga and began version nope regards email mattias matt dah dsv love
comp.graphics	fast polygon routine needed osprey cso uiuc edu lucas adamski writes article pdxgate idr rigel pdx edu ian romanick writes kind polygons shaded texturemapped comes into play fast routines polygons nice exaclty system vga start processor and specifics implementation you give info you want answers don want texture mapped asked for simple and fast routine filled polygons for processor for minimum can find good for ideally want polyn function that can clip user defined viewport and write arbitrary location memory chances for game that and you listed characteristics that you for you left important parameters polygons convex sides you drawing meshes walls doors etc that algorithms you can that will draw convex polygons can efficient that can draw concave intersecting polygons this efficiency can largely attributed fact that simple convex polygons left and edge each scan line complex figure type polygons can bit trickier sides specification small number othe optimisations made for high speed game application you for code that exploits and limited drawing simple convex polygons finding that pretty remote guess source and guess asm slow polygon routines and waaay slow for vector graphics program hunting high and low that general purpose algorithms you limit sided simple convex polygons you suprised fast algorithm asm block move fill each scan line for polyn function asm and can find anywhere that can use found two polyn functions asm pretty bad won even rewrite lucas
comp.graphics	apr comp graphics frequently asked questions faq archive name graphics faq this message automatically posted once week effort cut repetitive junk comp graphics last changed apr you answers frequently asked questions that you included this posting send mail you don want this posting week add subject line your kill file you your copy faq couple weeks you want seek recent version latest version this faq archive site pit manager mit edu alias rtfm mit edu pub usenet news answers graphics faq john john grieggs grieggs jpl devvax jpl nasa gov johng portal last update apr haven posted this for couple weeks called town due death family this reality folks siggraph online bibliography project spencer cgrg ohio state edu grieggs jpl devvax jpl nasa gov contents general references for graphics questions drawing dimensional objects two dimensional screen quantizing bit images bits converting color into grayscale quantizing grayscale black white rotating raster image arbitrary angle free image manipulation software format documents for tiff iff biff nff fits etc converting vector formats pixar films draw circle bezier spline curve order standards documents ftp email whether point planar polygon tessellate sphere specific references ray tracing and global illumination siggraph information online siggraph panels proceedings graphics mailing lists specific references file formats gif morphing ray trace height fields find area polygon join acm siggraph can find mri and scan volume data specific references spatial data structures including quadtrees and octrees can program plot data data specific references pex and phigs siggraph online bibliography project general references for graphics questions computer graphics principles and practice foley van dam feiner hughes addison wesley isbn procedural elements for computer graphics david rogers mcgraw hill isbn mathematical elements for computer graphics david rogers and alan adams mcgraw hill isbn dimensional computer graphics alan watt addison wesley isbn introduction ray tracing andrew glassner academic press isbn graphics gems andrew glassner academic press isbn graphics gems james arvo academic press isbn graphics gems iii david kirk academic press isbn ibm disk mac disk digital image warping george wolberg ieee computer society press monograph isbn digital image processing rafael gonzalez paul wintz addison wesley isbn programmer geometry adrian bowyer john woodwark butterworths isbn pbk automatic mail handler brown university users computer graphics principles and practice foley van dam feiner and hughes obtain text errata and information distribution software packages described book users can send authors feedback report text errors and software bugs make suggestions and submit exercises receive information describing you can use mail handler simply mail graphtext brown edu and put word subject line use subject line software distribution receive information specifically software packages srgp and sphigs errata for introduction ray tracing wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics books introtort errata errata for digital image warping directory digital image warping errata code graphics gems series anonymous ftp princeton edu directory pub graphics graphicsgems for volumes gems gemsii gemsiii and readme file errata graphics gems and graphics gems wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics books list computer graphics computational geometry and image processing journals juhana kouhia tut drawing dimensional objects two dimensional screen simple answer you divide depth for verbose explanation references starting foley van dam feiner hughes computer graphics book good start chapter viewing read chapter visible surface determination for information chapter for shading chapter for clipping and branch quantizing bit images bits find copy color image quantization for frame buffer display paul heckbert siggraph proceedings page algorithms this works and fairly simple implementations included raster toolkits item below variant method described graphics gems note that code graphics gems series ftp site described check john bradley diversity algorithm incorporated into package and described back manual imagemagick package section for contains another quantizing algorithm presented job algorithms slower implementation wan wong and prusinkiewicz algorithm for multidimensional data clustering transactions mathematical software vol june avialable princeton edu pub graphics colorquant shar this code modified form appears utah raster toolkit converting color into grayscale ntsc formula luminosity red green blue quantizing grayscale black white reference you for this stuff digital halftoning robert ulichney mit press isbn you and start coding check image manipulation software mentioned item below packages mentioned can form gray conversion rotating raster image arbitrary angle obvious wrong method loop pixels source image transform each coordinate and copy pixel destination this wrong leaves holes destination loop pixels destination image apply reverse transformation coordinates and copy that pixel source this method quite general and can used for mapping not rotation you can add anti aliasing sub pixel sampling faster method antialising included involves shear operations method originally created for raster toolkit below implementation present pbmplus reference fast algorithm for raster rotation alan paeth awpaeth watcgl waterloo edu graphics interface vancouver article toolkit appears journal updated version rotation paper appears graphics gems section original title free image manipulation software number toolkits for converting image format another simple image manipulations such size scaling mentioned color gray gray conversions pointers john bradley based image display manipulation and format conversion package displays image formats and permits editing gif files program updated file contrib tar export lcs mit edu pbmplus jef poskanzer comprehensive format conversion and image manipulation package latest version anonymous ftp ftp lbl gov pbmplus tar wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics packages pbmplus pbmplus tar and export lcs mit edu contrib pbmplus tar raster toolkit alan paeth awpaeth watcgl uwaterloo portable and efficient format and related toolkit format versatile supporting pixels arbitrary channels components and bit precisions allowing compression and machine byte order independence kit contains tools extensive support image manipulation digital halftoning and format conversion previously distributed tape university waterloo ftp version will someday utah rle toolkit conversion and manipulation package similar pbmplus ftp utah edu pub urt princeton edu pub graphics urt and freebie engin umich edu pub urt fuzzy pixmap manipulation michael mauldin mlm cmu edu conversion and manipulation package similar pbmplus version ftp cmu edu usr mlm ftp fbm tar ftp net pub fbm tar and ucsd edu graphics fbm tar img software set paul raveling raveling venera isi edu reads and writes image format displays screen and image manipulations version ftp export lcs mit edu contrib img tar and venera isi edu pub img tar large collection color images xim image manipulator philip thompson essential interactive image manipulations and and osf motif toolkit for interface supports images and bit formats reads writes and converts gif xwd xbm tiff rle xim and formats writes level postscript utilities and image application library included not paint package ftp gis mit edu xloadimage jim frost madd std reads images formats and displays screen ftp export lcs mit edu contrib xloadimage and your nearest comp sources archive xli grame gill updated xloadimage numerous improvements speed and number formats supported places xloadimage contrib tape comp sources archives tiff software sam leffler sam okeeffe berkeley edu nice portable library for reading and writing tiff files tools for manipulating and reading formats ftp ucbvax berkeley edu pub tiff tar ftp net graphics tiff tar xtiff tool for viewing tiff file written handle kinds tiff files remaining simple portable and efficient xtiff illustrates common problems building pixmaps and visual classes distributed part sam leffler libtiff package and export lcs mit edu ftp net and comp sources xtiff announced includes xlib and versions alv sun specific image toolkit version posted comp sources sun dec email alv users request bris popi image manipulation language version posted comp sources misc dec imagemagick package for display and interactive manipulation images includes tools for image conversion annotation compositing animation and creating montages imagemagick can read and write popular image formats ftp export lcs mit edu contrib imagemagick tar khoros huge meg graphical development environment based khoros components include visual programming language code generators for extending visual language and adding application packages system interactive user interface editor interactive image display package extensive library image and signal processing routines and plotting packages ftp pprg eece unm edu pub khoros laboimage sunview based image processing and analysis package includes image manipulation processing and measurement routines line tools such image editor color table editor and biomedical utilities anonymous ftp ads pub vision list archive shareware laboimage tar san diego supercomputer center image tools software tools for reading writing and manipulating raster images binaries for machines anonymous ftp sdsc edu sdscpub independent jpeg group written package for reading and writing jpeg files ftp ftp net graphics jpeg jpegsrc tar don forget set binary mode you ftp tar files for you milnet folks don name servers addresses ads utah edu coral jcu edu export lcs mit edu freebie engin umich edu ftp lbl gov ftp net gis mit edu gondwana ecr karazm math edu marsh curtin edu nic funet fir ftp ncsa uiuc edu cmu edu pit manager mit edu pprg eece unm edu princeton edu sdsc edu ucbvax berkeley edu venera isi edu weedeater math yale edu wuarchive wustl edu zamenhof rice edu not post mail messages can ftp mail this number automated mail servers that will send you things this response message item below for details newsgroup alt graphics pixutils specifically for discussion software this you find information format documents for tiff iff biff nff fits etc you almost don read item free image manipulation software packages and chances excellent that image converter you write you want format documents such files anonymous ftp zamenhof rice edu directory pub graphics formats files collected net and believed correct this archive includes pixel formats and two and dimensional object formats future this archive uncertain moment mark hall foo rice edu will apparently longer maintaining second graphics file format archive actively maintained quincey koziol koziol ncsa uiuc edu latest version exists ftp ncsa uiuc edu misc file formats graphics formats apparently complete you want check fits stands for flexible image transport system file format used astronomy despite name can not images things regular monthly fits basics and information posting sci astro fits read you want converting vector formats lot people converting hpgl postscript macdraw cgm important understand that this problem image format conversions item converting image format another fairly easy problem since once you past file header junk pixel pixel basic objects for image formats this not for vector formats basic objects circles ellipses drop shadowed pattern filled round cornered rectangles etc vary format another extremely restricted cases simply not conversion vector formats software for converting and cgm files ftp psc edu contributor states that runs unix windows and possibly mac specific blurb hand quite close approximation rendering image format primitives another put together general toolkit such converters two hpgl postscript converters posted comp sources misc check index your nearest archive site related frequent question convert vector format bitmapped image postscript sun raster format hpgl bitmap for example commercial postscript clones for you render disk file printer postscript interpreters box and sun news can used render file you clever general answer put together vector vector conversion toolkit adding vector raster converter trivial gnu ghostscript fsf current version includes drivers for ppm and gif format files can used postscript ppm postscript gif filter implements essentially postscript level and alot display postscript and level pixar films john lasseter pixar computer animated shorts video tape you can order direct cinema limited film individual price institutional price luxo red dream tin toy knickknack luxo red dream tin toy tapes vhs ntsc add tape for pal format tin toy shirt knickknack shirt includes glasses for individual orders add for tape shirt for each additional tape shirt for institutional 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wayne tiller ieee computer graphics and applications volume number september pages for rough rational approximations consult book computational geometry for design and manufacture faux and pratt ellis horwood publishers halsted press john wiley for rational approximations consult article good approximation circles curvature continuous bezier curves tor dokken morten daehlen tom lyche and knut morken computer aided geometric design volume numbers combined june pages elsevier science publishers north holland order standards documents american national standards institute sells ansi standards and iso international standards sales office mailing address broadway helps you complete name and number numbers cgm computer graphics metafile iso gks graphical kernel system ansi phigs programmer hierarchical interactive graphics system ansi iges asme ansi language bindings separate related numbers for example gks fortran binding standards progress made key milestones solicit comments graphical public this includes you ansi can you order global engineering ftp email number sites that archive usenet sources newsgroups and make email query system you send message automated server send comp sources unix fbm and hours days you file mail addition ftp mail server send mail ftpmail decwrl dec and will you use note that this service times turned due abuse whether point planar polygon ray originating point interest and continuing infinity crosses odd number polygon edges point polygon ray crosses even number edges point polygon interior hole formed intersecting polygon edges this idea trade jordan curve theorem eric haines article glassner ray tracing book for information including treatment special cases another method sum absolute angles point vertices polygon sum point inside sum point this method order magnitude slower previous method evaluating trigonometric functions quite costly code for methods barycentric triangle testing can found ray tracing news vol princeton edu pub graphics rtnews rtnv tessellate sphere simple recursive subdivision into triangles base recursion octahedron and each level divides each triangle into smaller jon leech leech unc edu posted nice routine called sphere that generates coordinates for ftp ftp lbl gov and princeton edu specific references ray tracing and global illumination rick speer maintains cross indexed ray tracing bibliography highlights this edition citations spanning period november papers siggraph graphics interface eurographics international and ausgraph proceedings december iii citations keyworded for easy lookup cross indices keyword and author glossary keywords used bib form postscript file printout pages long below list ftp sites and dirs that file named speer raytrace bib and compressed sites site dir wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics bib bib speer karazm math edu pub graphics gondwana ecr pub papers nic funet pub sci papers graphics coral jcu edu graphics papers eric haines erich eye maintains ray tracing and radiosity global illumination bibliographies refer format and can searched electronically simple awk script search for keywords included each bibliographies sites listed and current versions maintained princeton edu pub graphics papers raybib and radbib tom wilson wilson ucf edu collected abstracts ray tracing related research papers and books information essentially plaintext and latex and troff formatting programs included this collection sites rtabs siggraph information online steve cunningham and ralph orlick acm siggraph announces online information site siggraph org this site siggraph information anonymous ftp and electronic mail archive server anonymous ftp service standard and ftp directory includes conference and publications subdirectories retrieve information electronic mail send mail archive server siggraph org and subject body message include message send topic and subtopic you good place start command send index will give you date list information siggraph panels proceedings steve cunningham and bob judd acm siggraph announces availability siggraph panels proceedings siggraph org site proceedings formats text ascii rtf rich text format suitable for word processors word word for macintosh retrieved siggraph org two ways anonymous ftp change directories publications panels proceedings text rtf word text and rtf files downloaded ascii mode word files stored macbinary format and downloaded binary mode each directory contains table contents file toc that describes contents each panel file electronic mail send mail archive server siggraph org you can retrieve text rtf files suggest that you retrieve index files putting messages send panel txt index send panel rtf index subject body message you will information retrieve actual transcript files graphics mailing lists variety graphics related mailing list each covering single product single topic active participant for time and find focus and expertise can brought bear isolated topic nothing 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pov renderers platforms unix subscription listserv trearn bitnet posting dkb trearn bitnet name mailing list for massive parallel rendering description platforms unix subscription render request icase edu posting render icase edu specific references file formats graphics file formats david kay and john levine windcrest mcgraw hill isbn paper isbn hardcover isbn paper comments formats software this good imho prefer books platform dependent questions this book gbook iecc cambridge gif gif stands for graphics interchange format portable and usable wide variety platforms quite limited ways keeper faq opinions and fact don frequently asked question not previously covered this list list newsgroups and find gif subject alt binaries pictures faq general info subject alt binaries pictures faq specific info newsgroups alt binaries pictures alt binaries pictures misc alt binaries pictures utilities alt binaries pictures fractals alt binaries pictures fine art news answers usenet newsgroup anonymous ftp pit manager mit edu files pub usenet news answers pictures faq part pub usenet news answers pictures faq part mail server pit manager mit edu sending mail message containing send usenet news answers pictures faq part send usenet news answers pictures faq part send message containing general information mail server you check resources described sections and for information morphing warping deformation image mapping each pixel location morphing blending image object another valerie hall written excellent introduction warping and morphing this for anonymous ftp marsh curtin edu directory pub graphics bibliography morph files morph intro postscript version pictures morph intro txt text version responses responses morphing questions files compressed you use binary transfer and uncompress ray trace height fields height fields special case ray tracing number such terrain rendering and optimization faq section note that references can doubt located ray tracing bibs section paper definitive reference kenton musgrave grid tracing fast ray tracing for height fields july musg this research report yaleu dcs yale university siggraph fractal modeling computer graphics and imaging notes and net nic funet pub sci papers musg weedeater math yale edu pub papers musg princeton edu pub graphics papers musg coral jcu edu graphics papers musg gondwana ecr pub papers musg and musg implementation this paper found rayshade another paper exists david paglieroni sidney petersen parametric height field ray tracing proceedings graphics interface canadian information processing society toronto ontario and musgrave kolb and mace synthesis and rendering eroded fractal terrains computer graphics vol siggraph procedings find area polygon area triangle notation area and area planar polygon area for area area area area negative number polygon triangle clockwise positive counterclockwise ronald golman gem graphics gems section area planar polygons and volume polyhedra area polygon not plane area polygon sigma unit vector normal plane and polygonal vertex represents dot product operator and represents cross product operator sigma represents summation operator represents absolute operator equal join acm siggraph easiest join acm siggraph trot your local technical library and find copy communications acm pages will application blank fill and mail acm membership for students costs voting associate membership yearly siggraph student membership costs additional for voting associate members yearly tog transactions graphics another for students and for voting associate members you want join siggraph joining acm cost you student discount surcharges for overseas airmailing publications acm member services contacted email acmhelp acmvm bitnet phone number fax number snailmail address acm box church street station york york siggraph will held anaheim california anaheim convention center street disneyland august can find mri and scan volume data volume data sets university north carolina omicron unc edu pub softlab chvrtd commerical use prohibited head data slice mri data set human head knee data slice mri data set human knee hipip data result quantum mechanical calculation sod data electron orbital hipip iron protein sod data electron density map active site sod superoxide dismutase cadaver head data slice mri data set study cadaver head brain data slice mri data set head skull partially removed reveal brain rna data electron density map for staphylococcus aureus ribonuclease specific references spatial data structures including quadtrees and octrees samet design and analysis spatial data structures addison wesley reading isbn samet applications spatial data structures computer graphics image processing gis addison wesley reading isbn can program plot data data gnuplot command driven interactive data function plotting program runs machine and flexible terms supported output devices official north american distribution site for latest version dartmouth edu pub gnuplot information usenet newsgroup comp graphics gnuplot and faq graphics gnuplot faq ace xmgr motif xvgr xview data function plotting tool for workstations terminals ftp ccalmr ogi edu ccalmr pub acegr robotx robot general purpose plotting and data analysis program requires xview terminal workstation sunsite unc edu pub academic data analysis xgraph popular two dimensional plotting program that accepts data form similar unix program graph and displays line graphs scatter plots bar charts display berkeley edu pub drawplot program for drawing plots windows sunview displays terminals xcf berkeley edu src local specific references pex and phigs pexlib programming manual tom gaskins pages reilly associates isbn pexlib reference manual edited steve talbott pages reilly associates isbn phigs programming manual tom gaskins pages reilly associates isbn softcover isbn casebound phigs reference manual edited linda kosko pages reilly associates isbn siggraph online bibliography project acm siggraph online bibliography project database unique computer graphics and computational geometry references bibtex format computer graphics community research and educational resource database located siggraph org users download bibtex files ftp and peruse offline telnet siggraph org and log biblio and interactively search database for entries interest keyword additions corrections suggestions directed admin bibadmin siggraph org john grieggs telos jet propulsion laboratory oak grove drive pasadena cit vax elroy chas jpl devvax grieggs arpa jpl devvax grieggs cit vax arpa
comp.graphics	avi flc converter for small utility that will convert microsoft video avi file autodesk animator pro flc file since avis sound nice this utility stored sound track wav voc file accomplishing this saving avi multiple dibs video for windows converting each dib gif loading gifs into animator for sound load original avi into wavedit and save seperate wav file this requires steps productive will greatly appreciated don don campbell internet donc cognos cognos donc cognos inc mail box riverside drive ottawa ontario canada
comp.graphics	turning photographic images into thermal print and negatives not hitting news groups not direction finding company that will photographic images scanned and modified adobe photoshop and turn into thermal prints negatives for place close north carolina images will created macintosh quadra running adobe photoshop and will stored format vendor requires perhaps cartridges images will black and white photographs scanned dpi scanner modified corrected adobe photoshop even give phone numbers people grateful planning happy hear you advice you provide computer system you use and peripherals software quadra bet modify photographic images planning buying quadra megs ram meg hard drive dpi scanner sony monitor and meg cartridge drive and perhaps rom computers and advice great david hawks seq uncwil edu hawks corning
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comp.graphics	research positions graphics munich germany european computer research centre research positions graphics ecrc expanding research staff dimensional graphics for highly qualified researchers phd computer science and proven ability conduct highly innovative research preference will candidates strong experience developing and implementing algorithms for dimensional graphics visualization and user interaction presently positions for experienced researchers and recent graduates candidates strong backgrounds considered for positions visiting scientists for student research positions european computer industry research centre located munich germany english working language centre funded consortium major computer companies mission pursue research fundamental areas computer science active areas research include visualization and user interfaces distributed computing parallelism deductive systems and databases center employs researchers nationalities small rapidly growing graphics group investigating methods for dimensional human computer interaction and integration computer vision and computer graphics technology center extensive computing facilities includes sun workstations apple macintoshes equipped graphics laboratory and network access super computer facilities ecrc offers competitive salaries and excellent benefits for consideration send written application curriculum vitae telephone number mail address and references douglas greer ecrc gmbh arabellastrasse munich germany
comp.graphics	wanted playmation info article apr osf org omar godzilla osf org mark marino writes folks copy playmation willing sell love not for retail playmation direct anjon associates for hard beat that price you newer version older version that had bugs that long since clobbered advance mark marino omar osf org uunet osf omar ken baer programmer animator hash enterprises usenet baer qiclab applelink kenbaer office not hitchhiking anymore riding ren hoak
comp.graphics	bit graphics wonko sane oehler yar wisc edu wrote recently talking employer mine and made reference bit graphics computer image processing system remember called image akin that claimed had bit color bit alpha channel that bits info that possibly for specifically bit color that trillion colors human eye can resolve this anti aliasing thing this magic number make work processor pretty industry strength image processing specific systems photo processing gear use bits color info not oversampling never bad idea hardware task image manipulation and profressional photographers demand professional results settle bet roommate sgi flagship products iris indigo and crimson and top line sadly access dec sigh strange question vgx line newer indigo and onyx systems big boys block you can processor system twice graphics performance reality engine don handy periodic table sgi keith
comp.graphics	hallusion info sean murphy sean aries scs uiuc edu wrote hallusions you can buy poster and simple dot pattern you you focus you picture for program that generates pictures company texas that makes doubt giving program appreciated program included book virtual reality playhouse will you generate pictures not powerful program acceptable job for experimentation purposes davidr rincon ema rockwell
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comp.graphics	rfd for open telematic group for realtime multimedia online apps rfd request for discussion for open telematic group otg proposed forming consortium task force for promotion naplps jpeg fif openly discuss ways method procedures algorythms applications implementation extensions naplps jpeg standards standards facilitate creation real time online applications that make use voice video telecommuting hires graphics conferencing distant learning online order entry fax addition dicussion assist understand sgml cals oda mime oodbms jpeg mpeg fractals sql cdrom cdromxa kodak photocd tcl fast eia tia can incorporated and implemented develop telematic multimedia applications want support dos unix mac windows platforms hope that individuals developers corporations universities labs join supporting such endeavor this not for profit group bylaws and charter corporation decided support otg open telematic group not delay joining you developer rfd posted form usenet newsgroup and faq will compose start promulgating subject you added mailist send email mail address below this group publish electronic quarterly naplps jpeg newsletter hardcopy version urge cmcs hires based applications naplps jpeg decide join and mutually benefit this not for profit endeavor note telematic defined james martin marriage voice video res graphics fax ivr music telephone lines lan you involve write img inter multimedia group internet epimntl world std box pimentel gisatl fidonet org atlanta georgia cis fidonet bbs zyxel that responded acknowledge inundated org corp edu willing involve nice responded you can state capacity you willing involve edimg willard atl pimentel gatech vdbsan willard edimg emory uumind willard edimg willard house bbs atlanta
comp.graphics	inv normal array truely understand invalid normal array error you rendering present rendering complicated images circumvented this problem rendering command line nice render inside editor this memory problem craig
comp.graphics	format gif files format gif files determine size picture gif files compressed format bits store pixel color information this probally simple question couldn find faq email responses perferred david lau davidla ecs comm mot
comp.graphics	bit graphics good reason companies use for bits pixel you can use double buffering for animating scenes you bit planes you write background and flip entire screen updates second image plane screen updates refresh and you don objects appearing order that drawn cad macdraw effect your ready update image that used foreground steve thssstb iitmax iit edu iris iit edu product line can even track nowadays ads press releases claim redefine computing etc etc each product progress and competition great invest system that obsolete time reaches your desk
comp.graphics	illustrator autotrace poorly article vmcbrt diablo diablo cboesel charles boesel writes figure adobe illustrator auto trace exactly screen misses edges templates pixels resulting images that useless exact tracing not approximate adjusting freehand tolerances autotrace tolerances doesn suggestions buy adobe streamline problem solved college men smashed and break college women smashed and broken robin wilson president ryan malayter chico state university stanford hall notre dame dept physics comp sci malayter edu
comp.graphics	oak vga driver ftp user bbs accidentally deleted vga driver for oak card and backup wondering knew ftp site and path such thing obtained religion man good curry call lizard den bbs yoda usenet nethack xix amiga tim clinkenpeel aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist exclusively represent
comp.graphics	fast polygon routine needed article rguqoinnrc edna swin edu alan saturn swin alan christiansen writes that algorithms you can that will draw convex polygons can efficient that can draw concave intersecting polygons this efficiency can largely attributed fact that simple convex polygons left and edge each scan line complex figure type polygons can bit trickier true convex algorithm faster general concave multi outline algorithm not tremendously faster spent awhile implementing and optimizing flavors and convex turned faster this risc compiler loop shooting span fast for sort game database render ahead time and can made convex code cannot made public domain jesse jesse lackey eye inc ithaca jesse eye
comp.graphics	fast polygon routines needed for fast polygon routines shaded texture mapped asm compile masm turbo pascal compile run not super fast good such code you mail can advance daniel godden genius step university western sydney nepean insanity aarnet internet dgodden nepean usw edu
comp.graphics	virtual reality for cheap ridout bink plk mil brian ridout writes article apr mfltd sts mfltd steve sherwood writes multiverse work built svr mips svr and sun sparcstation bugs dogfight and dactyl simply nothing fixing bug variable defined twice two modules needed setting static client core dumped steve extn sts mfltd uunet mfocus sts compiling sparcstations gcc fixing bugs missing constant definitions couple things compile link starting client server black window sometimes client core dumps sometimes server sometimes broken pipe sometimes sits nothing occassionally cursor become cross hair dog fight that word author fix last week reply peter campbell campbell trl
comp.graphics	graph traversal algorithms planning write program that traverses image handwritten characters ascii format and produces circle and line representation handwritten characters experiences this problem you you post mail kevin program that traverse digital image and produces circle and line kevin shin kshin bcstec boeing
comp.graphics	newsgroup split article mach wlu mart mach wlu phil martin writes chris herringshaw tdawson engin umich edu wrote proposed newsgroup split personally not favor this learn awful lot aspects graphics reading this group code hardware algorithms making groups this wate and will result posts week per group kind convenience big forum for discussing aspects graphics feel this curious knowing question getting hell for putting wrong newsgroup splitting group traffic will decrease subject required net bandwidth will increase multiply cross postings this another group continuously read almost point longer worth reading strongly suggest not this dave rogers
comp.graphics	wanted grayscale dithering routine color gifs archive smaller size grayscale palette shades quantization grays introduces ugly bands pictures can nicely eliminated dithering used process images automate procedure problem that can convert images automatically and obvious alternative pnmplus ppmquant and pnmdither don even close quality pnmdither apparently dithers rgb even images grayscale dithering routine use natural image colors for dither this similar routine public domain niclas mattsson exjob math chalmers
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comp.graphics	rumours article apr mercury unt edu sean mcmains mcmains unt edu writes wow interested hands fact that motorola not released supposedly lineup made motorola signetics perhaps and memory serves correctly compatible single chip micro type chip built extra toys serial ports ram interfaces etc laugh you want such critter gord wait smos systems vancouver design centre uunet jericho gord gord jericho uunet net even days
comp.graphics	mgr naplps gui bbs frontends into methods can use turn linux based bbs into full color graphical bbs that supports mac linux and amiga callers originally inspired naplps graphics standard summary hit this group weeks ago posted that document forgot part etc summary complete technical description protocol can ftped simtel wuarchive wustl edu mirrors msdos naplps software availability naplps supporting software find that terminal programs commercial resonable shareware runs soley msdos machines leaving mac and amiga users buy full commercial software want bbs wouldn interesting possibility port mgr mac amiga not write naplps decoder for your choice platform and release code net willing souls can port platforms naplps designed for this type online interactive graphics intended for high bandwidth network connections naplps optimized for low bandwidth modem connections color version mgr for linux suggestions for linux based gui bbs you will receive suggestions this you wanted provide full network connection linux modem you use slip ppp you invent people that slip ppp exist and designed protocols lets implement naplps existing thought extensible protocol for online graphics not implement you advice implementation mail getting beta version coreldraw naplps converter working release you not freely naplps decoder intend conversion program beta and couple things michael dillon internet mpdillon halcyon halcyon powerhouse fidonet armstrong voice canada bbs
comp.graphics	patches for sungks due number bugs gks sunos installed patches and patch appears work fine and fixed number problems patch required fix number annoying bugs breaks applications recent revision patch ideas scott sloan email cesws newcastle edu university newcastle fax nsw australia
comp.graphics	psygnosis titles rumours mark samson samson prlhp prl philips wrote speaking psygnosis licensed games philips interative media international for and for commodore cdtv regards email mattias matt dah dsv love
comp.graphics	front end for povray day front end for povray version mean things user friendly modeller for povray modellers will design scene and produce file povray can read cheers tomek tomek tpiatek comp vuw zealand tomek tpiatek comp vuw zealand
comp.graphics	vatican library vatican library recently made tour can finding ftp site this collection advance watson
comp.graphics	tiff philosophical significance wed apr gmt psh brunel peter hauke peter joachim lous joachim kih wrote peter suggestions peter yep theory that once heard bandied thinking peter number sound for tea two sort anagram tea for two peter two for tea for tea two suggestion tea and for two things binary eve for adam peter malek malek cooperate agree and forgive each for that disagree hassan banna
comp.graphics	raytracing colours question recursive backward raytracing incident ray strikes object point normal calculated light rays calculated number light sources light rays that not intersect reflected ray and transmitted ray calculated formulae calling routine recursively and will return colours rays and rcol and tcol each object colour ocol and each light source licol question you combine rcol tcol ocol and licol correct resulting colour return ray colours defined strucures records components and this you give hints adrian secchia asecchia uct
comp.graphics	bit graphics apollo graphics board that bit graphics heard that jumped answer isn that can trillion trillion trillion colors planes bits planes bits etc for fast graphics douginoz
comp.graphics	lasergraphics language montage film recorder connected processor card can directly hpgl targa and lasergraphics language files bit targa quite for raster images conversion happens can quite slow this lasergraphics language source file for test image vector based language that can handle million colors polygons and perhaps question can find information this language ftp site book company address nice windows driver for not that optimistic advance for jussi jussi laaksonen computing centre akademi university finland
comp.graphics	matrox windows driver windows driver for matrox svga card moment windows runs mode you driver for this card send oemsetup inf bockamp informatik muenchen florian bockamp bockamp informatik muenchen ooo ooo not bug undocumented feature
comp.graphics	needed hidden line removal article raynor beech scarolina edu raynor scarolina edu harold brian raynor writes for information hidden line removal roberts algorithm code pseudo code helpful required this for class due monday time implement fast paced class notes class leave lot desired vastly algorithm nice roberts main problem two objects intersecting and dimensions lines clip that object will front another you can give ftp address and filename even name good book day brian blunt this reasonable explanation roberts algorithm procedural elements for computer graphics rogers mcgraw hill book library and this somewhat muddled explanation edition newman and sproull algorithm described pecg runs linear time luck dave rogers
comp.graphics	wanted screen dump vga screen can dump printer content vga screen text screen can execute shift printscr graphics pixed pixel print greatly appreciated can supply source code for this alternately commercial shareware programs that this shell program execute this print screen prefferable source code you advance rickey tom internet style aruba rickt psi programmer analyst project uunet uupsi aruba rickt
comp.graphics	coreldraw bitmap scodal article rsiinnld zephyr grace cri srlnjal grace cri writes software that will you convert coreldraw cdr files containing bitmaps scodal this format bureau filmrecorder recognises corel draw will version onwards you version perhaps upgrade order another alternative use bureau that can postscript chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	needed plotting package that qgf alta chris zeus alta chris murphy writes article full apr dolphin pts mot full pts mot glen fullmer writes for graphics cad package unix box that will file records roger grywalski response network visualization comp graphics visualization post roger grywalski response point find lot raj chaudhury dept physics raj phys ksu edu kansas state university manhattan raj chaudhury dept physics raj phys ksu edu kansas state university manhattan
comp.graphics	classes for graphics planning writing classes build raytracing radiosity library top and wondering anythink this freely net classes rays vectors colors shaders surfaces media primitives worlds containing primitives and views images post mail torgeir veimo studying university bergen gona wave freak flag high jimi hendrix and day police
comp.graphics	problems article cba tut lehtori tut kouhia juhana writes recent discussion problems held newsgroup text users find interesting minor ideas for bit mail for deleted for space basically complaints that bit program and that making modifications rgb sliders slow screen updates reverse order clicking auto apply box switch make your mods click apply problem stated solved you carefully bit program this not bug you can edit individual pallette entries global colour crop scale etc program save altered image your work thrown saves bit images can import bit images and quantises bits this handy facility not bug you suggest colour editing bit file you group related colours edit together global software and complicated you want colour editing bit image you powerfull software readily commercially and lastly jpeg compression algorithm can applied image arbitrary bit depth this not bug saving disk space chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	vatican library reposted request images great large pixels typical size warned regards tom lane rsquires cyclops eece unm edu roger squires newsgroups comp archives subject rec arts books vatican library exhibit library congress online date feb gmt original newsgroups rec arts books original date feb gmt archive name auto rec arts books vatican library exhibit library congress online this another newsgroup quite interesting rms announcing online exhibit library congress rome reborn vatican library renaissance culture exhibit library congress washington anonymous ftp seq loc gov pub vatican exhibit rome reborn vatican library and renaissance culture presents vatican library precious manuscripts books and maps played key role humanist recovery classical heritage greece and rome exhibition presents untold story vatican library intellectual driving force emergence rome political and scholarly superpower renaissance exhibit will display jefferson building library congress january april online exhibit will anonymous ftp indefinitely exhibit divided into sections vatican library archaeology humanism mathematics music medicine biology nature described wider world orient rome and wider world rome china each section consists sub directory exhibit directory and contains exhibit text for that section and separate jpeg image files for each object this online exhibit includes not objects library congress exhibit alternate objects brought rome used problem primary objects and items omitted planning process this exhibit will interest medieval and renaissance scholars art historians historians science medicine early music scholars students humanist movement students printing and printed word theologians scholars and eastern studies and librarians and information professionals readme file for details files this exhibit contains you questions use ftp speak your local computer support person you questions comments content exhibit write vatican kell loc gov you questions comments system contact ellis ellis special projects office library congress washington internet kell seq loc gov
comp.graphics	coreldraw bitmap scodal article gmginn zephyr grace cri srlnjal grace cri writes aware coreldraw exports scodal version quite apart hassles radial fills version revb you export scodal bitmap image included drawing will cannot export scodal bitmap version for misunderstanding this ears temporal images make product called filmpak converts autocad plots scodal postscript scodal and gif scodal costs and wondering that bitmap scodal part tad cheaper maybee you persuade your burea that for can become competitive taking input autocad postscript andgif scodl this sounds bureau find another bureau you not buting this software chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	adobe photo shop type software for unix motif platforms article world std wdm world std wayne michael writes searching for quality image enhancement and manipulation package for unix motif platforms that comparable adobe photo shop for mac corel draw will this will include photopaint stuff that version version don hold your breath chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	bit graphics article apr wisc edu oehler yar wisc edu wonko sane writes recently talking employer mine and made reference bit graphics computer image processing system remember called image akin that claimed had bit color bit alpha channel that bits info that possibly for specifically bit color that trillion colors human eye can resolve this anti aliasing thing this magic number make work processor bit colour for improved resolution bits per channel bit excessive paper that quoted bits per channel bits for computational precision that wasted perhaps frame buffer another colourspace bits represent full range rgb cube compact encoding likely that two separate bit bits per component frame buffers this set called double buffering complex picture built buffer buffer containing previous frame displayed this makes for smoother animation sadly access dec sigh hey you want brag numbers range can pxg turbo card bits per pixel full double buffering two bit buffers bit buffer and extra bit buffer for screen image storage mind you card costs your workstation chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	turning photographic images into thermal print and negatives planning happy hear you advice you provide computer system you use and peripherals software quadra bet modify photographic images planning buying quadra megs ram meg hard drive dpi scanner sony monitor and meg cartridge drive and perhaps rom computers and advice great lots experience scanning images and altering for changing back into negatives that scanning and altering big deal don types features you your version photoshop use incidentally quadra gallery effects and types neato stuff wondering you want put your images back into negatives once you print image that your print you exactly your aim this you this for fun for business gain computer knowledge for project you working guess don helping not posting info scanning and stuff cool seeya jennifer urso bitter woman utter blahness cheerful undertones
comp.graphics	bits viewer article seti inria deniaud cartoon inria gilles deniaud writes for program display bits images sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running utah raster toolkit getx convert your sun raster files ppm pbm toolkit convert ppm utah rle format ppmtorle provided toolkit remember that xloadimage can bit servers possibly xwud window dump program can display bit images xwd can grab chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	povray tga rle problem converting tga file generated povray rle file convert not warning message use xloadimage getx wrong error messages targatorle rle data tga xloadimage rle rle bit rle image map will dither bits gamma dithering image building ximage xloadimage error badvalue integer parameter range for operation xloadimage error badwindow invalid window parameter that install ppmtorle and tgatoppm not spend time install even not want generate rgb povray and convert rle rgb rle works will mess directory files and steps finally convert rle file cat rawtorle rleflip body experience problems advance park
comp.graphics	wanted playmation info article apr qiclab scn rain baer qiclab scn rain ken baer writes article apr osf org omar godzilla osf org mark marino writes folks copy playmation willing sell love not for retail playmation direct anjon associates for oops forgot phone number ken baer programmer animator hash enterprises usenet baer qiclab applelink kenbaer office not hitchhiking anymore riding ren hoak
comp.graphics	point concave polyhedra dear netters for source code test point lies concave polyhadra read articles this and that two solutions exist parity counting and angle sumation ideas pretty simple coding not exists public domain source code for this another rough solition don care special cases ray casting reported independent number faces consisting polyhedra special space indexing used tamminen ray casting and block model conversion spatial index computer aided designs prerequirement that facets polyhedra normal pointing polyhedra this practice set trangles consisting polyhedra ensure normals pointing polyhedra paper mentioned assumed this case read standard computer graphics textbook hidden line removal make rule that normal facet pointing viewer standing polyhedra make pointers yaohong jiang queen university kingston ont jiangy qucdn queensu
comp.graphics	triangulized data wanted texture mapped triangulized data nice model texture mapping parametric values each vertex for surface triangulized avaliable euclidean points that use for texture mapping kwansik
comp.graphics	faq can find kwansik
comp.graphics	difference raytracing and rendering raytraced and rendered and difference found that raytracing takes hell lot longer missing
comp.graphics	tiff complexity thinks that tiff complex hasn dealt cgm asn cda dca sgml number successful file format people perfectly capable dealing dealing format tiff frankly difficult dealing dct lzw and fax encoding image data majority libraries deal tiff dedicated issues simply decoding tags and parameters perhaps people overwhelmed comparison simpleminded formats such gif pcx and bmp suggest that tiff complex doomed failure ludicrous that doesn mean that gif isn fine don even thing instances gif nice for use low end photos applications and for screen grabs and such never for high volume high resolution systems fax nice doesn color and gif doesn that jpeg nice for high resolution color slow for low end advantage tiff brings table ability handle situations and naturally complex propose tiff imaging solutions imaging systems based deal file formats anyday you find that tiff complicated for your personal tastes don wrail complexity complexity contains required provide functionality and doesn come close complexity found commercially viable file formats philosophical arguments complexity program scheme and and imaging run length encoding
comp.graphics	dxf pcx gif tif tga program for that will autocad dxf format files and convert raster format pcx gif etc advance murashie mail beckman instruments inc phone diagnostic system group fax kraemer blvd internet murashiea mail beckman brea
comp.graphics	donwloaded bin file unix machine donwloaded bin file unix machine supposed converted mac format this file into dos mac unix readable format mentioned fetch unix machine this correct explain bin format elizabeth elizabeth strickler matess gsusgi gsu edu
comp.graphics	studio ipas can give ftp sites ipas processes for studio warren
comp.graphics	computer graphics studies technion technion israel institute technology department computer science graduate studies computer graphics applications invited for graduate students wishing specialize computer graphics and related fields active research conducted fields image rendering geometric modelling and computer animation state art graphics workstations sun silicon graphics and video equipment technion offers full scholarship support tuition and assistantships for suitable candidates for information contact craig gotsman computer science deptartment technion israel institute technology haifa israel gotsman technion
comp.graphics	dwg gcd formats reference needed can kind soul point references for formats earl
comp.graphics	autodesk concepts users you user autodesk concepts and willing answer small number short questions send email earl boebert sctc
comp.graphics	raytracing colours asecchia uct adrian secchia writes incident ray strikes object point reflected ray and transmitted ray calculated formulae calling routine recursively and will return colours rays and rcol and tcol each object colour ocol and each light source licol question you combine rcol tcol ocol and licol correct resulting colour return ray this not snide response you confused this issue you will stumble lot things suggest that weakness your reference material introduction ray tracing andrew glassner for good coverage raytracing algorithm you refer edition foley van dam question simple answer that you adding contributions and clamping maximum intensity for example your intensity values range adding and clamp resultant values you clamp lower bound you dark bulbs that another issue you illumination equation this lambient ldiffuse light lreflected ltransparent contribution due reflection summed light intensity light due transparency slightly hand waving illumination equation this kala kdld light krlr ktlt that each component illumination equation governed material constants and maximum you can transparency for object for example for purple colored glass object hopefully this answers your question forward illumination equation sermon you steve hollasch kubota pacific computer inc hollasch kpc santa clara california
comp.graphics	difference raytracing and rendering zlg uxa cso uiuc edu zhenhai writes raytraced and rendered and difference found that raytracing takes hell lot longer missing methods rendering raytracing you didn you mean rendering won guess methods rendering include pencil and graph paper math hand wireframe rendering projection hidden line rendering scanline rendering painter algorithm bsp trees buffer raytracing radiosity holographic projection film combination steve hollasch kubota pacific computer inc hollasch kpc santa clara california
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comp.graphics	donwloaded bin file unix machine article matess gsusgi gsu edu matess gsusgi gsu edu eliza strickler writes donwloaded bin file unix machine supposed converted mac format this file into dos mac unix readable format mentioned fetch unix machine this correct explain bin format this almost macbinary file encoded version mac file resource fork and data fork preserved you program that converts this regular file this macbinary file you downloaded text mode and corrupt you you ftp transfer point make you type binary you can open file text editor and find this file converted bin top binhex file and can decoded binhex programs niko schuessler project vincent systems manager email niko iastate edu iowa state university computation center voice ames snail durham
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comp.graphics	scientific visualization chemical systems molecules evolved esoteric academic subject into international industry computer graphics played decisive role this transformation allowing chemists build visualize and interact complex geometrical objects computer scientists conversant language discipline unfamiliar terminology simulation techniques and practical research chemists similarly chemists unfamiliar latest paradigms and technological advances graphical computing this interdisciplinary intended bridge gap computer science and chemistry and equip chemistry researchers casual users prepackaged graphics software this not intended computational chemistry drug design data sets chemical research problems will used lab and students will encouraged bring data sets lab exercises and projects will carried data flow programming ibm visualization data explorer software and students will access cornell theory center computing resources including video recording equipment audience researchers and students chemical and biological sciences interested integrating state art computer graphics into research computer scientists wishing gain familiarity major application scientific visualization class size will limited participants come served basis level graduate advanced undergraduate credits credit workshop calculus linear algebra and introductory chemistry required familiarity unix windows and not required date june credits june credits time mon fri and cost credit credits format will held theory center training facility computer workstations will daily lectures will interspersed laboratory exercises and ample time will provided for project enablement and familiarization computing environment students enrolled for credit will graded basis laboratory exercises and short final project enrolled for second credit will receive advanced lectures time for project development and meet daily share experience and discuss problems encountered content vary elements computer graphics polygonal rendering lighting models ray tracing volumetric rendering stereo graphics animation introduction data flow programming interactivity representing atom size time and energy scales basic classical and quantum mechanics important categories molecules small molecules biopolymers surfaces and catalysts miscellaneous current applications data formats and conversions advanced molecular graphics techniques types simulation and experiment electronic structure molecular dynamics mechanics electrostatics ray crystallography nmr quantum dynamics and spectroscopy instructors will taught two instructors topics related computer graphics will handled bruce land project leader visualization cornell national supercomputing facility chemistry specific aspects will handled richard gillilan visualization specialist and research scientist cornell national supercomputing facility register mail completed form cornell university school continuing education and summer sessions day hall ithaca questions richard gillilan richard cornell edu important acceptance will come served and based target class size full credit and single credit participants deadline application form scientific visualization chemical systems chemistry computer science social security number cornell number name last middle suffix etc address home address grades will mailed local phone home phone academic discipline number check chemistry computer science credits status undergraduate student smart node consultant graduate student smart node advisor post doctoral faculty explain corporate commercial research staff explain name firm describes you optional african american alaskan native asian american caucasian hispanic american native american list special mobility impaired accommodations blocks rooms sheraton reservations made you for cornell theory center visualization workshop sheraton inn sheraton drive ithaca fax rates starting local motels make your reservation early workshop coincides cornell events econo lodge cayuga mall triphammer ithaca fax rates for cornell rate dorm rooms reserved participants credit and credit participants interested dorm rooms call below for registration information jeanne miller donna smith email jeanne cornell edu donna cornell edu
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sites and maintainers compiled eric haines erich eye and nick fotis nfotis theseas ntua ray tracers rayshade great ray tracer for workstations for mac amiga pov son and successor dkb trace written compuservers for questions call drew wells compuserve dave buck david buck carleton art ray tracer good range surface types part vort package dkbtrace another good ray tracer reports pcs mac amiga unix vms last two previewer etc rtrace portugese ray tracer bicubic patches csg text etc etc dos version for use djgpp dos extender exists mac port vivid shareware raytracer for pcs binary author stephen coy coy ssc vax boeing source version registered users direct author ray steve hollasch dimensional ray tracer renders hyperspheres hypertetrahedra hyperplanes and hyperparallelepipeds separate real time wireframe viewer written called wire mtv qrt dbw ray tracers interesting features distributed parallel raytracers xdart distributed ray tracer that runs server binaries work decstations sparcs snakes series and clients distributed binaries and source inetray network version rayshade sun rpc newer contact andreas thurnherr ant ips ethz prt pray parallel ray tracers volume renderers vrend cornell volume renderer kartch devine caffey warren fortran radiosity and diffuse lighting renderers radiance ray tracer radiosity effects greg ward excellent shading models and physically based lighting simulation unix based ported amiga and india indian radiosity package based radiance sgi rad interactive radiosity package that runs sgi machines spaceball includes house database author guy moreillon moreillo ligsg epfl rad simple public domain radiosity package solution can run stand alone unix box walk requires sgi author bernard kwok kwok yorku renderers not raytracers and graphics libraries sipp scan line buffer and phong shading renderer shadow buffer algorithm tcl sipp tcl command interface sipp rendering program tcl sipp set tcl commands used programmed sipp write and compile code commands used surfaces objects scenes and rendering options renders ppm format utah raster toolkit rle format photo widget based applications vogle graphics learning environment device portable vogl sgi library based vogle rend fast polygon renderer for intel and version not photorealistic real time renderer xsharp dobb journal renderer source code budget texture mapping modellers wireframe viewers vision mac modeler can output radiance rayshade files irit csg solid modeler support for freeform surfaces wireframe viewer for wireframe graphics toolkit source objects stuff major archives wuarchive such file dkit zip shareware front end modeler for povray beta test french docs for price for registering french francs save disabled extra utilities dxf files for registered version geometric viewers salem based package dobkin for exploring mathematical structures geomview based package for and interactively manipulating objects geometry center minnesota xyz geobench experimental geometry zurich workbench for geometric computation for macintosh computers wire wireframe previewer for steve hollasch ray data formats and data sets for ray tracing spd set procedural databases for testing ray tracers nff simplistic file format used spd another file format lispy file format tddd imagine modeler format converters for rayshade nff etc includes nice postscript object displayer great models ttdddlib converts tddd ttddd nff rayshade imagine and vort objects outputs framemaker mif files and isometric views postscript registered users tex font converter and superquadric surfaces generator glenn lewis glewis pcocd intel note ttdddlib dlib chvrtd chapel hill volume rendering test datasets includes volume sets for two heads brain knee electron density maps for rna and written material rendering news collections articles ray tracing bib references articles ray tracing refer format rad bib references articles radiosity global illumination speer bib rick speer cross referenced bib postscript abstracts collection tom wilson abstracts articles paper bank project technical papers electronic form contact juhana kouhia tut online bibliography project acm siggraph online bibliography project database unique computer graphics and computational geometry references bibtex format computer graphics community research and educational resource database located siggraph org users download bibtex files ftp and peruse offline telnet siggraph org and log biblio and interactively search database for entries interest keyword for people internet access mail server send mail archive server siggraph org and subject body message include message send topic and subtopic you good place start command send index will give you date list information additions corrections suggestions directed admin bibadmin siggraph org image manipulation libraries utah raster toolkit nice image manipulation tools pbmplus great package for image conversion and manipulation libtiff library for reading writing tiff images imagemagick package for display and interactive manipulation images format miff and includes converters based image display manipulation and format converter xloadimage xli displays formats screen khoros huge excellent system for image processing visual programming interface and windows fbm another set image manipulation tools somewhat img image manipulation displays screen bit xflick plays fli animation xanim plays resolution fli gif including gif animation extensions and amiga iff animations and iff pictures including ham ehb and color cycling sdsc sdsc image tools package san diego supercomputing center for image manipulation and conversion clrpaint bit paint program for sgi bit workstations and bit indigos libraries code for graphics graphics gems iii code books spline patch tar spline patch ray intersection routines sean graves kaleido computation and display uniform polyhedra mirrored wuarchive this package computes and displays metrical properties polyhedra author 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iii code pub graphics directory salem and stuff craig kolb cek princeton edu replaces weedeater math yale edu note capital pub graphics trouble princeton incoming area you can upload rayshade specific stuff weedeater math yale edu alfred ccs carleton pub dkbtrace dkb ray tracer pub pov ray pov ray pvray compuserve group ray tracer pov david buck david buck carleton avalon chinalake navy mil objects multiple formats utilities file format documents this site created object repository for net francisco dejesus dejesus archimedes chinalake navy mil omicron unc edu pub softlab chvrtd chapel hill volume rendering test datasets ftp official ddj ftp repository xsharp peipa essex pilot european image processing archive directory ipa synth that image synthesis packages adrian clarke alien essex barkley berkeley edu tcl extensions tsipp tar tcl sipp mark diekhans markd grizzly markd neosoft acs cps msu edu pub sass window fonts converter into rayshade polygons rayshade animation tool ron sass 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display and analysis dedicated cursors read position and real time you move mouse smooth real time contrast and brightness stretch and panning magnified portion displayed image operated mouse wide selection grayscale pseudocolor and random palettes provided and palettes can generated supported functions include such niceties image image interpolation image constant unary operations abs polynomial pixel chs log byteswap clip values upper lower limits short real real short combine images mean median mode sum pixel values autoscaling mean median mode image section convolutions filters laplacian sobel edge operator directional gradient line gaussian elliptical and rectangular equal weight filters unsharp masking median filters user defined filter kernel ellipse rectangle line gradient gaussian and user defined filters can rotated angle ccd data reduction flat fielding dark subtraction column underscan bias removal remove bad pixels and column defects normalize region target mean median modal create subimage mosaic images larger image collapse image into image plot section collapsed section image plot histogram region image review change image information header data rename keywords plot keyword values for set images luminance photometry elliptical circular aperture photometry brightness profile isophotal photometry set upper lower luminances area and luminance inside traced polygon interactive background fitting and removal part image fit elliptical aperture shape image isophotes interactive image contrast brightness diagonal plot pixel values distance two points compute region stats centroid pan location image center zoom times change cursor rectangle crosshair full image crosshair and adjust cursor size image select linear log gamma transfer function histogram equalization interactive image offset computation and sampling for registration interactive image zoom steps times current center plot enlarge framed area plot buffers can cycled interactive data analysis polynomial fitting point deletion undelete change point weighting linear and quadratic loess and binomial smoothing revert unit point weights original data buffer substitute results into data buffer for pass back calling function dump data buffer overlays and error bars file printer change user coordinate system tricolor image combination and display hardcopy halftone printout pcl compatible printers laserjet deskjet etc documentation pages custom vinyl binder cost usd copy axiom research inc box tucson phone fax international marketing rep saguaro scientific corporation tucson arizona end part resource listing nick nikolaos fotis national technical univ athens greece home esperidon internet nfotis theseas ntua halandri mcsun ariadne theseas nfotis athens greece fax
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gif format updated hourly pioneer unm edu space and planetary image facility located university mexico campus ftp server anonymous ftp access roms data images disk earthquake data topography gravity geopolitical info ngdc national geophysical data center broadway boulder eosat sells landsat mss data older two years for per scene and talking similar deal for landsat data mss data bands meter resolution check anonymous ftp ftp ncsa uiuc edu unix polyview alpha shape for tool that creates convex hulls alpha shapes generalization convex hull point sets grips gov raster image processing software rom rom inc for code for viewing adrg arc digitised raster graphics files grips rom army engineer topographic labs juan perez code ftp adrg zip archive spectrum xerox nrcc range data rioux cournoyer nrcc dimensional image data files tech report cnrc national research council canada ottawa canada understand data laser range finder and you can copy for research purposes scanners digitized data 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directory ucla edu version tgif patchlevel patch and patch use editimage facility khoros below this utility system you can essentially your image processing and macdraw type graphics this package you pbmplus pbmtext you text output bitmaps can overlaid top your image ice requires sun hardware running openwindows postscript based graphical editor and for anonymous ftp internet host soest hawaii edu requires sun and two locally developed packages lxt library xlib based toolkit and small class library files pub ice tar pub lxt tar and pub ldgoc tar compressed tar format pub ice tar contains readme that installation instructions extensive man page ice statically linked compressed executable pub ice sun for sparc systems for ftp software property columbia university and not redistributed permission ice means image composition environment and imaging tool that raster images combined wide variety postscript annotations wysiwyg fashion imaging routines and news postscript rasterizing use 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handling system that pro vides image transport and compression local and wide area networks image viewing workstations recording video equipment and storage disk system can distri buted workstations supercomputers and works tations and supercomputers workstations and video animation controllers system commonly used produce video based movie displays images resulting visualization time dependent data complex data sets and image processing operations clients and servers run variety systems that provide unix run time environments and bsd sockets source for anonymous ftp csam lbl gov pub scry tar contact bill johnston wejohnston lbl gov ucbvax csam lbl gov johnston david robertson dwrobertson lbl gov ucbvax csam lbl gov davidr imaging technologies group lawrence berkeley laboratory cyclotron road berkeley svlib fvs svlib windows widget set based osf open software foundation motif widget set svlib widgets macro widgets comprising lower level motif widgets such buttons scrollbars menus and 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edge enhancing median generic complex histogram contrast control layer controller manages images time user can extract single bands band image create color images combining individual bands etc package designed for remote sensing application can handle large images and kinds software for gis applications host configuration requirements runs intergraph workstations unix machine similar sun rumors rumors that software ported and possibly sun environment pci company called pci inc richmond hill ontario canada makes array software utilities for processing manipulation and use remote sensing data ten industry standard formats lgsowg bsq landsat and couple titles forget software versions for dos unix workstations sun and ibm and vms and quite possibly platforms use vms version pci software consists classes groups packages utilities grouped function operating common pci database disk file tape package set utility programs read remote sensing industry tape formats into write formats pci 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people you interested pcw requires for display map mac gis systems map distributed john wiley clrview clrview dimensional visualization program designed exploit real time capabilities silicon graphics iris computers this program designed provide core set tools aid visualization information cad and gis sources supports integration common disperate data sources such dxf tin dem lattices and arc info coverages clrview can obtained explorer dgp utoronto directory pub sgi clrview contact rodney hoinkes head design applications centre for landscape research university toronto tel email rodney dgp utoronto end resource listing nick nikolaos fotis national technical univ athens greece home esperidon internet nfotis theseas ntua halandri mcsun ariadne theseas nfotis athens greece fax
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comp.graphics	buffering lines areas together asking for sticky problem involving unreasonably low apparent precision buffering that encountered pex implementations can find discussion this problem resources can lay hands comp windows pex faq gaskins pexlib programming manual vendors documentation posting this article comp graphics and virtually article test program demonstrating problem comp windows pex problem hard describe pictures this article longish you can run pexlib programs and interested encourage you build and run test program comp windows pex effect and play approach dealing depends utility code gaskins book instructions for fetching anonymous ftp problem solved eliminate minimize stitching artifacts resulting use buffering polylines that coplanar filled areas interpolated values line will differ slightly due roundoff error interpolated values across area even endpoints line coincident vertices area this tossup whether buffer will line pixels area pixels displayed visually result dashed line effect even line supposed solid pexlib api approach solution use two slightly pex view mapping transforms two view table entries for areas and for lines pex structures mode output organized that view table index effect for areas and effect for lines result slight shift npc coordinates for lines attempt bias tossup situations favor lines this shift effected moving front and back clipping planes used pexlib view table entry for lines hair backwards smaller vrc coordinates compared positions view table entry used for areas this means that point transformed npc will slightly bigger comes line comes area accomplishing desired bias expect roundoff errors problem amount units entire dynamic range buffer typically not bit buffers that tiny fraction range vrc front and back clip planes suffice reliably fix stitching fact experience shows that shift range empirically worst npc component slope surface high appears edge viewer bits buffer dependable meaning this amount great that problem replaced another sometimes polylines show areas supposed lie observed problem hewlett packard and digital workstation pex servers approximately degree test program demonstrates problem mit pexlib implementation this version compile and run system pex open questions this happen configuring pex view table wrongly systematic difference interpolation for lines opposed areas pixel centers versus corners corrected for pex implementors wantonly discarding precision interpolators can fix use view table precision buffered hlhsr another approach can remove stitching artifacts luck immensely appreciated dave gorgen internet gorgen ann arbor applicon slb applicon inc gorgen aaaca sinet slb ann arbor michigan usa uunet sharkey applga gorgen
comp.graphics	raytriacing and animation couple raytracing questions you povray dos and unix and generating targa files varying size can view wonderful pictures screen paper kinko and make actual picture paper thinking making small animation bit raytraced frames this bad idea tricks sequence targa files made into animation that put videotape cheap
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comp.graphics	povray tga rle article ltqp innpa pageboy utexas edu jhpark utexas edu jihun park writes problem converting tga file generated povray rle file convert not warning message use xloadimage getx wrong edited that install ppmtorle and tgatoppm not spend time install even not want generate rgb povray and convert rle rgb rle works will mess directory files and steps finally convert rle file cat rawtorle rleflip body experience problems for starters use rle files you specific program that tend convert straight jpeg format meg bit targa file becomes bit jpeg latest versions and xloadimage handle jpeg files and convert jpeg djpeg suit even quality you can difference jpeg smaller even bit gif ish craig didn you can prove craig humphrey stargate actrix gen ccc ccc chumphre comp vuw
comp.graphics	kubota kenai denali specs replies kubota kenai denali systems that will post summary capabilities haven used specs grain salt independent review sgi indigo extreme basically kenai workstations dec alpha axp based workstations that run osf dec and will likely run windows future binary compatible digital osf alpha axp implementation denali graphics subsystem upgradable field simply adding transformation engines two main kenai machines imaging and graphics workstation and imaging and graphics workstation cpu dec alpha axp mhz dec alpha axp mhz chip cache onboard cache word size bit bit memory initial memory future specmark specint specfp graphics transform modules frame buffer modules frame buffer bit bit double buffered double buffered buffer bit bit alpha stencil bit bit stereo support machines will double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output that ntsc and pal storage internal fixed internal removable max capacity turbochannel sec scsi ethernet and fddi application programming interfaces libraries for xlib motif mit pexlib dec pexlib dec phigs and real stuff kenai stations work graphics architecture denali denali comes models and use decchip superscalar risc processor mhz capabilities follows vectors vectors vectors vectors triangles triangles pixel flat shaded connected pixel gouraud shaded connected pixel pixel wide anti aliased connected pixel gouraud shaded buffered strip pixel texture mapped persp point sampled image processing cine loop bit cine loop bit cine loop bit contrast stretching bilinear zoom trilinear interp mvoxels mvoxels lookup table bit trilinear interpolation bit voxels configurations frame buffer modules transform engine mod you can pretty powerful workstations and part pricing recommend that you call kubota for information number send you information you want prices low end kenai series tem and fbm dollars kenai series tem and fbm dollars high end kenai series tem and fbm dollars kenai series tem and fbm dollars post relative comparision indigo extreme hope this helps brian not affiliated kubota hell thought made tractors
comp.graphics	autocad graphics converter exists program convert autocad graphics another format gif tiff bmp pcx and advance cuesta cuesta tidsa madrid spain
comp.graphics	for code brake image into sub bands working project brake image into sub bands and work since never this don even understand concept sub bands wondering software that this hints scott violet xepo csd csd uwm edu
comp.graphics	virtual reality for cheap peter gort trl peter campbell writes ridout bink plk mil brian ridout writes article apr mfltd sts mfltd steve sherwood writes multiverse work extn sts mfltd uunet mfocus sts compiling sparcstations gcc fixing bugs missing constant definitions couple things compile link starting client server black window sometimes client core dumps sometimes server sometimes broken pipe sometimes sits nothing occassionally cursor become cross hair dog fight that word author fix last week reply peter campbell campbell trl discovered bug libraries parser parser loadcolour function generating segmentation fault appears colourlist geting corrupted had return random colours and worked great for colour problems thing wrong colour table gets couple nulls name colours compared crashes haven found problem can adrian turner university college northern victoria turner ironbark ucnv edu
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comp.graphics	gif targa article apr fuw edu muchor fuw edu krzysztof muchorowski writes subject gif targa converter that dta make fli krzysztof dta will make fli gifs targas you don converter latest version dta wuarchive wustl edu pub msdos uploads
comp.graphics	acm siggraph registration problem zyda nps navy mil michael zyda notes word warning for you registering for siggraph received registration form back mail envelope marked return sender moved left address closed box address used register for siggraph printed registration form acm siggraph box chicago printed envelope printing honest evidently siggraph skipped town moved ended faxing registration hope that number real michael zyda had problem and called people handle box problem happened time ago and caught almost instantly registrations that address fixed trouble you into you don procrastinate mike and siggraph not skipped town preparing siggraph conference steve cunningham
comp.graphics	hpgl viewer and utilities software not produce output hpgl file and kind software produce hardcopy postscript and lasetjet you gaetan lord voice analyste fax ecole polytechnique montreal box station montreal quebec canada future time travel
comp.graphics	illustrator autotrace poorly had pretty good success autotracing line art adobe streamline key controlling excessive points etc time and test conversions tolerance settings jim powlesland internet powlesla acs ucalgary academic computing services voice university calgary message calgary alberta canada fax
comp.graphics	cross sobel roberts filters article apr waikato pdenize waikato writes imaging program time ago amiga that had cross sobel and roberts filters for edge detection can direct algorithms never heard cross filters roberts prewitt and sobel filters standard spatial masks for edge detection highpass filtering good job detecting edges good reference for sorts general digital image processing book digital image processing rafael gonzalez and richard woods addison wesley publishing isbn used this source filters and things grad project not dificult worst part loading images tiff gif iff ilbm wayne rigby rigby unr edu
comp.graphics	source code packages this general call for information image processing for material related field and hands easy use packages related field source code for general use packages texts subject input people knowledgable field not mathematically literate don degree mathematics material that suggested prefer that not mathematically intensive book found subject moment practical digital image processing rhys lewis isbn published ellis horwood likewise fair sample programs that demonstrate image processing techniques and khoros for unix dcview for ibm and related smatterings code describe topics contrasting dithering image enhancement convolution etc kindly supply public domain software pertinent this area likely find aarnet internet can prefer source code turbo pascal that includes image processing code algorithms that can readily alter manipulate for purposes demonstration helpful information will contribute post graduate studies and will liberally used paper and seminar subject advance vance ashlin diploma advanced computing thinking dangerous subversive mindnumbing and leads you astray ashlin ironbark ucnv edu redgum ucnv edu
comp.graphics	quicktime performance rumours article apr waikato ldo waikato lawrence oliveiro waikato university writes path dime ymir umass edu nic umass edu noc net howland reston ans net usc elroy jpl nasa gov decwrl waikato ldo ldo waikato lawrence oliveiro waikato university newsgroups comp multimedia comp graphics date apr gmt references mar aragorn unibe apr rchland ibm organization university waikato hamilton zealand lines xref dime comp multimedia comp graphics discussion observed playback speeds quicktime effects scaling and thought tests felt that original speed test perhaps realistic movie had had frames version movie created compact video compressor decided longer give closer real world results for for worse pulled copy space odyssey that had recorded back fifteen minutes into movie sequence earth shuttle approaching space station specifically digitized portion seconds duration zooming rotating space station figured this give reasonable amount movement frames increase differences frames digitized frames per second give total frames captured raw footage resolution pixels spigot card centris quarter size resolution pal source imported into premiere and put compact video compressor keeping fps frame rate created two versions movie scaled resolution resolution used default quality setting premiere and key frame ten frames ran movie raw speed test program used for results reporting earlier result playback rate frames per second that getting higher result that short test movie for fun copied movie external hard disk quantum and ran this time playback rate frames per second internal hard disk quantum significant contributor speed playback modified speed test program specification optional scaling factors and playing back movie scaled size this time playback speed fps poster observed poor performance scaled playback quicktime action not tests quicktime don compatible centris and system unscaled playback rate for movie fps thing saving versions movie preferred playback rates greater and played movieplayer quicktime normal synchronized playback preferred rate fps didn work playback jerky compare this raw speed test achieved fps ease can that quicktime synchronization code add this overhead slowdown coming mac system task switching preferred rate fps work fine couldn evidence stutter fps slight stutter key frames second hard guess recreating movies longer interval key frames make stutter noticeable this will improve compression slightly speed playback performance even lawrence oliveiro fone computer services dept fax university waikato electric mail ldo waikato hamilton zealand gmt afraid missed start this thread factors that can significantly affect quicktime playback speed that you want into account playback bit depth things fastest you play movie back bit depth compressed for this bit depths type scaling optimized for double size scaling scaling factors hit peformance harder playback window position movieplayer limits your window placement choices advantagous pixel boundaries default not premiere combination can radically alter playback performance image size another biggie giving movie player lots ram can make real difference forgive mentioned earlier thread peter lee peter lee software conductor specular international inc lee umass edu beauty bits deep bits alpha channel
comp.graphics	bits viewer article seti inria deniaud cartoon inria gilles deniaud writes for program display bits images sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running xli xloadimage imagemagick export lcs mit edu contrib graeme gill
comp.graphics	povray tga rle article ltqp innpa pageboy utexas edu jhpark utexas edu jihun park writes problem converting tga file generated povray rle file convert not warning message use xloadimage getx wrong error messages targatorle rle data tga xloadimage rle rle bit rle image map will dither bits gamma dithering image building ximage xloadimage error badvalue integer parameter range for operation xloadimage error badwindow invalid window parameter this happens your server run memory you memory you quit neccessary running clients graeme gill
comp.graphics	povray tga rle rkkb gec james comp vuw craig humphrey comp vuw craig andrew humphrey writes article ltqp innpa pageboy utexas edu jhpark utexas edu jihun park writes problem converting tga file generated povray rle file convert not warning message use xloadimage getx wrong edited that install ppmtorle and tgatoppm not spend time install even not want generate rgb povray and convert rle rgb rle works will mess directory files and steps finally convert rle file cat rawtorle rleflip body experience problems for starters use rle files exactly didn want mess tga rle wrote script you standard set pbm utilities this script pov jpg converter run this pov jpg fred pov you will modify path script reflect you put povray and include files you problem disk space you can use named pipes temporary files hope you find bin echo usage width height sourcefile pov options exit width height datafile shift basedatafile echo datafile sed pov thedatafile basename datafile basedatafile basename datafile pov dirdatafile dirname datafile dirdatafile afs rnd sas sherman pov povsrc build povray afs rnd sas sherman pov povscn include tmp data width height thedatafile echo rawtopgm width height tmp data grn tmp green rawtopgm width height tmp data red tmp red rawtopgm width height tmp data blu tmp blue rgb toppm tmp red tmp green tmp blue cjpeg basedatafile jpg tmp red tmp green tmp blue tmp data grn tmp data red tmp data blu echo wrote output basedatafile jpg chris sherman sherman unx sas
comp.graphics	adobe photoshop mailing list bit and havn come mailing list newsgroup for users adobe photoshop assuming not missed ahead and interest start mailing list and alt newsgroup drop note you interested subscribing bob wier not grateful dead insert usual disclaimers bob wier east texas state commerce texas historic image processing project wier merlin etsu edu watch for address change
comp.graphics	morphing article news duke edu seth north acpub duke edu seth wandersman writes keywords for morphing programs for dec looked for program called dmorph archie not find found progrmam call morpho grayscale images searching for dmorf located wuarchive wustl edu mirror directory used pretty good pete wilmshurst email wilmshurst reg triumf
comp.graphics	 rych festival hawkes noticed that you save model your mapping planes positioned carefully file that you reload restarting default position and orientation you save prj file positions orientation preserved this information not stored file nothing this prj project format saves your settings last render file name read texture rule information format for prj file don that cel format ell deluxe stupid line noise
comp.graphics	parametric variational design initial references regards walter inproceedings keirouz author walid keirouz and jahir pabon and robert young title integrating parametric geometry features and variational modeling for conceptual design booktitle international conference design theory and methodology year editor rinderle pages organization american society mechanical engineers asme optpublisher optaddress optmonth note proceedings inproceedings yamaguchi kimura author yasushi yamaguchi and fumihiko kimura title constraint modeling system for variational geometry booktitle geometric modeling for product engineering year editor michael wozny and turner and preiss pages organization ifip publisher elsevier science publishers north holland amsterdam netherlands optaddress optmonth note selected and expanded papers form ifip nsf working conference geometric modeling rensselaerville september inproceedings chung author jack chung and joseph klahs and robert cook and thijs sluiter title implementation issues variational geometry and constraint management booktitle international conference cad cam robotics and factories future cars and fof year opteditor optpages optorganization optpublisher address detroit michigan usa month august note proceedings springer verlag berlin heidelberg article kimura author fumihiko kimura and hiromasa suzuki and toshio sata title variational product design constraint propagation and satisfaction product modelling journal annals cirp year volume number pages optmonth note international institution for production engineering research article kimura author kimura and suzuki and ando and sato and kinosada title variational geometry based logical constraints and applications product modelling journal annals cirp year volume number pages inproceedings chung schussel author jack chung and martin schussel title comparison variational and parametric design booktitle autofact year opteditor pages optorganization optpublisher address detroit michigan usa month october november note conference proceedings article pabon author jahir pabon and robert young and walid keirouz title integrating parametric geometry features and variational modeling for conceptual design journal international journal systems automation research and applications sara year volume optnumber pages optmonth optnote article kondo author koichi kondo title pigmod parametric and interactive geometric modeller for mechanical design journal cad computer aided design year volume number pages month december note butterworth heinemann inproceedings zalik author borut alik and nikola guid and aleksander vesel title parametric design constraint description graph booktitle cad neue konzepte zur realisierung anwendungsorientierter cad systeme year editor frank lothar krause and detlev ruland and helmut jansen pages optorganization publisher informatik aktuell springer verlag berlin heidelberg optaddress month mai note fachtagung berlin inproceedings murtagh shimura author niall murtagh and masamichi shimura title parametric engineering design constraint based reasoning booktitle aaai eighth national conference artificial intelligence year opteditor pages organization american association for artificial intelligence publisher proceedings volume aaai press menlo park address boston month july august optnote
comp.graphics	gif iff file format article rkjm bigboote wpi edu rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu ramin taraz writes email info gif iff file formats can such info gif stands for graphics interchange format and put compuserve back create format that read and displayed system gif limited bit color built compression scheme lzw iff not graphics format standard package images sounds animations text into file iff created electronic arts wrong for amiga quickly adopted pretty standard file format for amiga common image format for iff package ilbm interleaved bitmap exist this format supports bit color images information and anonymous ftp zamenhof rice edu directory pub graphics formats faq for this news group wayne rigby rigby unr edu
comp.graphics	pov this faq can bit version pov ray greatly appreciated version since turbo pascal won run bit program program info this great byron bkidd esk compserv utas edu kidd cam compserv utas edu byron kidd mail computing services
comp.graphics	geosphere image article alt graphics newsgroups alt graphics path news edu moliere rmalayte rmalayte moliere helios edu ryan malayter subject geosphere images ftp message apr news edu sender news news edu usenet news system organization university notre dame notre dame date mon apr gmt digitized version geosphere image ftp for you don composite photograph entire earth cloudcover removed cool created government funds and sattelites research project assume public domain for info ryan college men smashed and break college women smashed and broken robin wilson president ryan malayter chico state university stanford hall notre dame dept physics comp sci malayter edu
comp.graphics	colour display restriction limitation netters project image analysis firstly find restrictions limitations colour display kind workstations decstation amiga apollo secondly read graphic texts that image displayed bites point wrong images will deal displayed bites software will problems display windows future thinking implement gui windows for project person can solve problem query give advice suggestion can find send mail advance christine chan address golum riv csu edu
comp.graphics	tiff article apr yang earlham edu joshuaf yang earlham edu writes tiff programs for ibm scanner works into tiff and can view cshow programs read errors basic tiff jpeg gif pcx bmp etc winjpeg oak oakland edu pub msdos windows winjp zip tiff support graphics workshop converts formats ken
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comp.graphics	rgb hls hsv conversion routines wanted for rgb cube hls double hexcone hsv cylinder conversion routines rgb hsv miss hls rgb hsv mail directly not this newsgroup site and wil greatly appreciated gert gert bultman bultman dgw rws phone snail rijkswaterstaat dienst getijdewateren afd aoct mail postbus hague netherlands mark personal mail persoonlijk
comp.graphics	texture rules eric vitiello tfd coplex eric vitiello writes rych festival hawkes noticed that you save model your mapping planes positioned carefully file that you reload restarting default position and orientation you save prj file positions orientation preserved this information not stored file nothing this prj project format saves your settings last render file name read texture rule information format for prj file don that cel format dived feet and reverse engineered prj file needed extracted mapping icon information dawned that studio useless for mapping icon per applied texture want use special purpose graphics computer for rendering models and requires texture rule plane space position orientation mapping rule since mapping icon used apply textures objects faces renders pun intended totally unsuitable for contact for alias upfront good modeller for texture rules per texture and this saved file can read haven found info alias copy faq that rych
comp.graphics	convert plot ascii file for software that reads plot pcx format and converts into coordinate
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comp.graphics	rgb hvs and back question convert rgb coded red green blue colors into hvs coded hue saturnation colors formulas use hartog remcoha solist htsa aha
comp.graphics	wanted bit viewer article seti inria deniaud cartoon inria gilles deniaud writes people helped problem displaying bit images viewers xli xloadimage and display converting bit images bit display screen want viewer make use bit frame screen buffer case parallax imagemagick cannot test told bit you your xserver supports bit truecolor visuals check xdpyinfo brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck irs inf dresden
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comp.graphics	polaroid palette system information polaroid palette system appears gadget for transfering graphics images film detail maximum supported resolution types video input polaroid market fletch irregularities will handled forces controlling each dimension trans uranic heavy elements not used life medium atomic weights gold lead copper jet diamond radium sapphire silver and steel sapphire and steel assigned
comp.graphics	tiff program called graphic workshop you can ftp wuarchive file msdos graphics directory and called grfwk zip this program everthing you tmc tmc spartan brocku you specific that file couldn find directories wuarchive page nixsp ccsvax sfasu edu
comp.graphics	monthly lightwave mailing list faq lightwave mail list lightwave lightwave part suite programs that come bundled device called toaster newtek inc that operates amiga platform lightwave software lightwave lightwave and lightwave modeler and artist create dimensional photo realistic images for variety purposes this this mailing list for interested lightwave software operates and ideas obtain quality images list for toaster and lightwave interested can package hope share information tips procedures and bond group rules since lightwave modeler part newtek video toaster software will discuss items related operation toaster will strive subject revolving specifically software related tools and products you not toaster join this list join become member lightwave mailing list you send mail message address lightwave request bobsbox rent body message enter subscribe lightwave your name your site domain signed and will sign you list this point time process manual hope automated script based system place shouldn delay joining expect message days you send your request expect mail start flowing post list contributing list simple mail your articles address lightwave bobsbox rent your article will processed system and distributed joined list your articles will you you that your article made list addresses that good longer active will bounce back you you post article and another members address longer valid your original article will returned you this doesn mean hasn posted list fact opposite true means that your article posted and that couldn members list due bad address note hope fix for this behavior quit list simply mail request removed list address you used sign lightwave request bobsbox rent body message enter unsubscribe lightwave your name your site domain will remove your name list members you join list and your account closed you will not receive mail for send request removed list you lose access for short send request for suspension your membership and will suspend forwarding articles you articles archiving articles posted list originating site bobsbox can not continue this due lack disk space volunteer that will maintain compendium articles list can compress and store archives system can periodically post index contents compendium and information that relates volunteers can donate large scsi hard drive for archival purposes grin setup mail based file server that interested list can obtain information entire archive past articles membership listing and information pertaining lightwave mailing list for information this service send mail message fileserver bobsbox rent command server user name passwd use request current copy helpfile use user name passwd connect service use short listing commands sit back and enjoy pouring information you offer feel free contribute that information list bit helps questions welcomed makes feel important can answer grin you questions comments list contact address lightwave admin bobsbox rent cheers bob lindabury
comp.graphics	your stop graphics shop rent sharp stick eye andy meyer pleased announce that upgraded system hayes ultra bis bis modem that will connections bps bps featuring graphics specific system for you interested such things graphics image processing animation clip art and latest public domain graphics programs graphics specific mailing lists such imagine dctv and lightwave mailing lists aliased easy read forums you can join and read come free usenet access and free netmail sites world ability contact software hardware developers mainframes sending netmail graphics bbs not mention your kids college your parents college quick connections and reliable links you can your mail world matter minutes unique conference bulletin section abilty join and track conferences that you enjoy ability read files your personal file area for use messages proper access you can create your conference and moderate newsfeeds usenet that include topics such graphics mac amiga ibm science erotica ham radio star trek scuba diving programmers forums game designers forums and cyberspace forums sophisticated easy learn and use mail system created for you can easily read your mail delete move your personal directory for storage and reply you can attach files your mail and send another member smart sendmail feature ensures accurate addressing netmail ability send mail and messages arpanet usenet internet bitnet and networks that interface world such fidonet peoplenet and network university and research facility systems file library containing downloads for popular computers featuring easy learn and use system library features master directory listing newscan and search capabilities complete archived file listings file library supports popular transfer protocols such modem advance protocols such link and modem file library doubles file server for users sites world complete control your environment you select whether you want hot key control menus prompting etc you can define your cancel key and choose your terminal emulation you can edit your personal login script you want online games global war jet combat simulator etc games added online manual and extensive facilities complete tracking online usage time megabytes storage graphics bbs runs ibm mhz meg ram meg ide drive call graphics bbs baud hours day everyday system administator bob lindabury bobl graphics rent
comp.graphics	dxf pcx gif tif tga murashiea mail beckman murashiea mail beckman murashie writes program for that will autocad dxf format files and convert raster format pcx gif etc advance interested such program wich program convert gif pcx dxf this program can scan pictures and frase that this will limit roderick
comp.graphics	ntsc data rgb for video capture decode color information ntsc signal convert this data rgb for video capture utility writing for use ibm motion video adapter card and signals work color process advance for information algorythms etc hammonck net
comp.graphics	ftp viewer situnaya ibm bham wrote ftp viewer for msdos running mhz svga monitor gifs and advantageous ran windows ftp wuarchive wustl edu change into mirrors msdos graphics grfwk zip this dos version graphic workshop windows version you find mirrors msdos windows directory don file name tmc tmc spartan brocku
comp.graphics	turning photographic images into thermal print and negatives jennifer lynn urso andrew cmu edu wrote lots experience scanning images and altering for changing back into negatives that stuff deleted jennifer urso bitter woman utter blahness cheerful undertones use aldus photostyler and can turn colour black and white image into negative turn negative into colour black and white image don works test scanned negative and used aldus create positive looked print that film developers gave tmc tmc spartan brocku
comp.graphics	interesting conversion problem large feet file macintosh canvas import into autocad disk space intensive eps big problem since meg encode page document file lines and words access networked macs and ftp can suggest this accomplished email replies you don read this group advance daniel alt case western reserve university cleveland don ulcers carrier can you don pretend don spreading rumors can you don practice preach not kind person preach
comp.graphics	human head modeling software article wbp taurus nps navy mil adaptive nps navy mil zyda res acct writes interested facial animation and want implement program this area don information for face for images face getting cyberware demo ftp contains images face copyright status this data restrictions can put kaveh kaveh kardan kardank ere umontreal
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comp.graphics	tiff philosophical significance silly bqs skates gsfc nasa gov xrcjd mudpuppy gsfc nasa gov charles divine writes article geraldo utexas edu mark cartwright markc emx utexas edu writes question not discovered question revealed base system you read last couple books series closely and two points real question implied conversations proceed zaphod ultimate question arthur not paying attention zaphod needing random seed for infinite improbability drive number number marvin this phrase times and everytime arranged such that number number answer question question kind mystifying not even pick number number kevin martin sigma rahul net use flipper
comp.graphics	geosphere image article apr news edu rmalayte grumpy helios edu ryan malayter writes digitized version geosphere image ftp for you don composite photograph entire earth cloudcover removed cool created government funds and sattelites research project assume public domain for info ryan copy earth space wall that purchased space shots inc printed poster image created tom van sant and geosphere project image copyrighted doubt that you find legally public domain part proceeds sale image geosphere project environmental education thing and cost nominal crack and buy don safe assume that government funded project products will provided for free government agencies nasa noaa and private groups national geographic provided assistance geosphere project this collaboration oriented educating public pure research thomas trusk dept cellular biology anatomy email ttrusk mcw edu medical college wisconsin milwaukee disclaimer affiliation mentioned groups this opinion not flame advertisement turned lights that funny noise feel strange aaauuugggghhhhh
comp.graphics	donwloaded bin file unix machine niko iastate edu nikolaus schuessler writes article matess gsusgi gsu edu matess gsusgi gsu edu eliza strickler writes donwloaded bin file unix machine supposed converted mac format this file into dos mac unix readable format mentioned fetch unix machine this correct explain bin format this almost macbinary file encoded version mac file resource fork and data fork preserved you program that converts this regular file this macbinary file you downloaded text mode and corrupt you you ftp transfer point make you type binary you can open file text editor and find this file converted bin top binhex file and can decoded binhex programs opened file text editor and vnetwork storyboardpictpict bim binhex not work ideas niko schuessler project vincent systems manager email niko iastate edu iowa state university computation center voice ames snail durham elizabeth strickler matess gsusgi gsu edu
comp.graphics	hpgl viewer and utilities article apr music mus polymtl gaetan lord ecole polytechnique montreal music mus polymtl writes software not produce output hpgl file and kind software produce hardcopy postscript and lasetjet export lcs mit edu that viewer called xviewgl check readme contrib bill woodward wpwood austin ibm this aix software support billw aixwiz austin ibm graphics group terror that flaps night
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comp.graphics	viewing jpeg files apr ucbeh san edu lwilson ucbeh san edu writes can view jpeg files special hardware lucy wilson access services librarian college engineering university cincinnati yup jpeg viewers require specific video drivers since support specific video cards standard ibm bios video support for vga colour mode leave cards such hercules monochrome card can give good picture quality your dithering works can remember name jpeg viewer since convert jpeg gif viewing require vesa driver for video cards you don special hardware view jpeg perhaps for vga card and processor people days program for computers and neglect rest processors clone nec processor and hercules card had write programs that will view gif and animations for vga and colour graphics boards monochrome hercules card use floyd steinberg dithers and found that neat colour palette resulting dithered image greater detail viewed monochrome systems compushow dithering standard thing image palette dithering brighter detailed image rambling wrong direction final point you don extra hardware view jpeg vga and perhaps day gerry
comp.graphics	corel draw harvard draw wife publish newsletter artist intends use comercial clipart and customise bit drawing circle box etc mspublisher for manipulating text not suitable for graphics specialised tool corel draw and harvard draw books stores corel harvard inclined corel basis popularity can give informed opinion package suitable even alternative this faq withhold flames and send location faq document use clip art harvard draw for commercial purposes dpi laser jet printer good scanner for reading paper clipart starting newsgroup desktop publishing doesn exist
comp.graphics	real time visualization interested hear people working field visual simulation driving simulation flight simulation etc pleased field research and industrial development for you interested workshop preferedly held german situated wuppertal november specially related topic title sichtsysteme visualisierung der simulationstechnik complete details contact moeller rmoe welfag elektro uni wuppertal
comp.graphics	geosphere image rmalayte grumpy helios edu ryan malayter writes article alt graphics newsgroups alt graphics path news edu moliere rmalayte rmalayte moliere helios edu ryan malayter subject geosphere images ftp message apr news edu sender news news edu usenet news system organization university notre dame notre dame date mon apr gmt digitized version geosphere image ftp for you don composite photograph entire earth cloudcover removed cool created government funds and sattelites research project assume public domain this image copyrighted early another news group used texture map planet orbiting simulation that program freely distributed texture map picture for earth had pulled copyright infringement issues michael prevost sterling software moffett field prevost eos arc nasa gov
comp.graphics	kubota kenai denali specs article rkntjinnd names nerdc ufl edu lioness maple circa ufl edu writes replies kubota kenai denali systems that will post summary capabilities graphics transform modules frame buffer modules frame buffer bit bit double buffered double buffered buffer bit bit alpha stencil bit bit this mean can alpha stenciling not simultaneously stereo support machines will double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output that ntsc and pal question this mean can double buffering stereo not simultaneously paul pmartz dsd evans sutherland
comp.graphics	bits viewer article apr nessie mcc lilley cgu mcc chris lilley writes article seti inria deniaud cartoon inria gilles deniaud writes for program display bits images sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running utah raster toolkit getx convert your sun raster files ppm pbm toolkit convert ppm utah rle format ppmtorle provided toolkit use urt tool rastorle remember that xloadimage can bit servers and newer xli can wes barris minnesota supercomputer center inc email wes msc edu
comp.graphics	wanted bit viewer article seti inria deniaud cartoon inria gilles deniaud writes people helped problem displaying bit images viewers xli xloadimage and display converting bit images bit display screen want viewer make use bit frame screen buffer case parallax xli and xloadimage will display bit color bit visual check output xdpyinfo wes barris minnesota supercomputer center inc email wes msc edu
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comp.graphics	tangent vectors kochanek bartels splines working system set key frame positions control imaginary camera movement kochanek bartels splines described siggraph proceedings create variable number inbetweens key frames want inbetweens form last argumentsa and component viewing direction vector camera positioned method presented kochanek and bartels deals positions inbetween view points generated set viewing direction view point equal chord two adjacent view points general not key frames this sligt discontinuity viewing direction vector key frame positions spatial movement work fine and quite that not simply made implementation error used this spline form for similar purposes and decided viewing vectors replies emailed iharkest lise unit interested answer will summary replies contact iharkest lise unit comp nth norwegian institute technology people play hard play hard want ford fairlane
comp.graphics	buffering lines areas together david gorgen writes asking for sticky problem involving unreasonably low apparent precision buffering that encountered pex implementations can find discussion this problem resources can lay hands comp windows pex faq gaskins pexlib programming manual vendors documentation problem solved eliminate minimize stitching artifacts resulting use buffering polylines that coplanar filled areas interpolated values line will differ slightly due roundoff error interpolated values across area even endpoints line coincident vertices area this tossup whether buffer will line pixels area pixels displayed visually result dashed line effect even line supposed solid pexlib api approach solution use two slightly pex view mapping transforms two view table entries for areas and for lines pex structures mode output organized that view table index effect for areas and effect for lines result slight shift npc coordinates for lines attempt bias tossup situations favor lines this shift effected moving front and back clipping planes used pexlib view table entry for lines hair backwards smaller vrc coordinates compared positions view table entry used for areas this means that point transformed npc will slightly bigger comes line comes area accomplishing desired bias expect roundoff errors problem amount units entire dynamic range buffer typically not bit buffers that tiny fraction range vrc front and back clip planes suffice reliably fix stitching fact experience shows that shift range empirically worst npc component slope surface high appears edge viewer bits buffer dependable meaning this amount great that problem replaced another sometimes polylines show areas supposed lie observed problem hewlett packard and digital workstation pex servers approximately degree test program demonstrates problem mit pexlib implementation this version compile and run system pex open questions this happen configuring pex view table wrongly systematic difference interpolation for lines opposed areas pixel centers versus corners corrected for pex implementors wantonly discarding precision interpolators can fix use view table precision buffered hlhsr another approach can remove stitching artifacts luck ibm problem workstations shocked realized that you offset lines fills bits assuming bit buffer this huge dynamic range terms doesn bad happening that interpolation not totally linear due roundoff polygon not planar ruffles potato chip ditto lines you start end values ridges phase resulting stitch effect you problem you draw polygon top another vertices you will likely smeared effect overlap example polygon polygon your implementation correct fact similar trick rendering primitives that lines and polygons such nurbs surfaces isoparametric lines trick lines stitched you application draws lines polygons independently system not smarts automatically shifting application this you discovered and bravo note ibm ers information previously disclosed proper channels not giving unpublished info mark einkauf einkauf austin ibm ibm advanced workstations and systems graphics systems austin views and opinions expressed not necessarily ibm corp
comp.graphics	virtual sound for algorithms articles virtual sound want fast source cdrom sound sources read each defined position and attributes direction etc listeners position and direction sum sound played back each listeners earphones will function this position and direction this means that simulation ears coloring sound relative incoming direction for each sound source this lookup table impulse responses for angles relative each ear and interpolate impulse function this for angle this impulse function convoluted sound source this impulse function changed time sound source position listener orientation additionally reflection diffusion and absorbtion due environment wich defined simulated this requires sort sound propagandation simulation kinda radiosity algorithm this and written articles implementing such system post mail answers comments torgeir veimo studying university bergen gona wave freak flag high jimi hendrix and day police
comp.graphics	turning photographic images into thermal print and negatives jennifer lynn urso andrew cmu edu writes planning happy hear you advice you provide computer system you use and peripherals software quadra bet modify photographic images planning buying quadra megs ram meg hard drive dpi scanner sony monitor and meg cartridge drive and perhaps rom computers and advice great lots experience scanning images and altering for changing back into negatives that scanning and altering big deal don types features you your version photoshop use incidentally quadra gallery effects and types neato stuff wondering you want put your images back into negatives once you print image that your print you exactly your aim this you this for fun for business gain computer knowledge for project you working guess don helping not posting info scanning and stuff cool seeya jennifer urso bitter woman utter blahness cheerful undertones for business and end product photograph damaged black and whites and repair hand present this computer find vendor can convert computer stored images negatives thermal print customer will want copy brand original photgraph david you information helpful learning computers combined photography information grateful
comp.graphics	kubota kenai denali specs article apr dsd pmartz dsd paul martz writes this mean can alpha stenciling not simultaneously don answer this bits assume that stereo support machines will double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output that ntsc and pal question this mean can double buffering stereo not simultaneously literature will quadruple buffering that you can double buffered stereo output brian
comp.graphics	gif wpg tiff converter for program that convert gif files formats usable dos based software such wordperfect presentations will handle wpg and tiff suggestions appreciated you for your time and steve alford novavax nova edu steve alford nova university college avenue lauderdale gatech uflorida ucf novavax alford internet alford novavax nova edu
comp.graphics	tiff philosophical significance silly number legs centipede you richard kirk image processing group crosfield electronics rak crosfield hemel hempstead herts
comp.graphics	genoa windowsvga true color board for release editorial contact single source marketing myra manahan genoa systems joseph brunoli neil roehm technical genoa presents high performance video graphics accelerator san jose calif usa genoa systems corporation announces windowsvga true color bit graphics accelerator card that delivers million colors speeds faster competition offers full range resolutions high refresh rates unique proprietary performance features card bit isa bus and bit vesa local bus versions models and dram board windowsvga card offers maximum resolution and supports refresh rate and resolution interlaced models provide performance times greater standard svga boards conform current video standards windowsvga features genoa flickerfree technology eliminates screen flash and flicker make viewing comfortable cards come safescan utility developed genoa eliminate black border screen and thereby provide percent screen use for overscanning monitors windowsvga model takes full advantage speed offered vesa local bus technology bus cards will handle data transfers mhz will transfer data full speed cpu mhz genoa offering this card turbobahn combination packaged turboexpress motherboard built cirrus logic gui accelerator windowsvga offers user exceptional price performance genoa advanced proprietary drivers act turbocharge chip thereby providing affordable accelerator card power and performance that surpass highly priced chip cards genoa user will enjoy optimal speed and reliability for such programs windows autocad autoshade studio orcad and driver updates and product bulletins genoa bbs genoa systems manufactures and markets extensive line graphics adapters motherboards audio and multimedia cards for ibm compatible personal computers products come two year limited warranty parts and labor genoa products distributed worldwide authorized distributors resellers vars and systems integrators for information contact joe brunoli marketing manager genoa systems trimble road san jose calif tel fax stefan hartmann stefanh rahul net
comp.graphics	for patches support tiff output recently found tiff manipulation packages not recognize tiff files output this due missing xresolution and yresolution tag apparently required believed required for valid tiff checked and and copy tags hacked fixes for support tags told that find code tiff tools tiffcp that directory tiff group not distributed hope obtain original tiff src and prefer find code work larry virden inet lvirden cas org personal falls place reynoldsburg
comp.graphics	paint program neopaint for shareware graphics package called neopaint shareware catalog and hoping that ftp net unable locate archie and entire comp graphics newsgroup for reference and found looked faq and reference program called neopaint and heard can suggestions for based shareware paint programs appreciated email your responses sean
comp.graphics	sigkids research showcase call brought attention that oversight sigkids research showcase call for participation and entry form note that sigkids research showcase part siggraph august anaheim california you diane schwartz sigkids committee member institute for learning sciences maple avenue suite evanston illinois schwartz ils nwu edu
comp.graphics	widget list interested hearing you implementing interactive applications types widgets you your applications widget located scene objects application you manipulate application data camera objects scene and view status application objects widget shape color position orientation and missed you for example manipulative widget can virtual trackball shown partially transparent sphere super imposed object rotated feedback widget can ruler ends anchored objects length ruler objects move and numeric shown ruler indicating distance widget can provide manipulation and feedback for example ruler can used change distance objects axis mail post your opinions interaction information gathered will design construction tool your appreciated tony lau tlau ubc student dept computer science
comp.graphics	kubota kenai denali specs lioness maple circa ufl edu replies kubota kenai denali systems that will post summary capabilities graphics transform modules frame buffer modules frame buffer bit bit double buffered double buffered buffer bit bit alpha stencil bit bit pmartz dsd paul martz this mean can alpha stenciling not simultaneously lioness maple circa ufl edu stereo support machines will double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output that ntsc and pal pmartz dsd paul martz question this mean can double buffering stereo not simultaneously for questions inclusive alpha stencil supported separate double buffered stereo steve hollasch kubota pacific computer inc hollasch kpc santa clara california barbie had math hard
comp.graphics	phigs user group conference annual phigs user group conference annual phigs user group conference held march orlando florida conference organized rensse laer design research center operation ieee and sig graph attendees countries spanning con tinents good cross section phigs community represented this conference participants including phigs users workstation vendors party phigs implementors stan dards committee members and researchers industry and academia opening speaker richard puk challenged phigs users charge your phigs participating phigs standardization activities and communicating phigs implementors closing speaker andries van dam described vision future graphics standards phigs technical paper sessions conference covered topics phigs and application toolkits application issues texture mapping nurbs phigs extensions and object oriented libraries and frameworks panel sessions phigs and pex phigs retained data real world cad applications phigs and portability issues generated enthusiastic discussions and formed good forum for exchange ideas and experiences conference included day full tutorials topics rang ing mathematics for graphics object oriented tools based phigs year conference planned for march phigs conference phigs vendors described and demonstrated phigs products that run types computers pcs mainframes megatek corporation demonstrated phigs extensions including conditional traversal composite logical input devices texturing and translucency template graphics software launched figaro pro photo realistic option for phigs figaro pro designed add advanced rendering existing phigs api features ray tracing materials anti aliasing and texture mapping radiosity support planned figaro example tgs continues add newly emerging graphics features products figaro supports mode extensions phigs and supports sun xgl starbase and sgi opengl figaro for will released this summer tgs demonstrated latest versions figraph powerful call charting system based phigs and figt object oriented utility library for phigs pex developers and gallium software demonstrated version gphigs silicon graphics workstations scheduled for summer ver sion gphigs company phigs library for worksta tions will include advanced phigs debugger that phigs developers display and browse phigs structures and phigs internal state described duplicated data store that stores pointers application data gphigs css for efficient use memory addition described application gse that application callback functions gphigs traversal gphigs and phigure data visual izer and application development toolkit major workstations that support windows pex starbase wise software presented slide show phigs for windows and arena phigs based modeller render phigs implements phigs primitives addition phigs built advanced rendering features texture mapping shadow genera tion area quick updates and ray tracing demo disk phigs arena request atc exhibited grafpak phigs full featured phigs implemen tation based dec phigs grafpak phigs workstation platforms fortran and ada bindings and incor porates pex support booth sponsored advanced technology center digital equipment corporation demonstrated dec phigs running dec axp pxg atcs grafpak phigs port dec phigs dec phigs contains phigs and phigs features support for pex protocol dec phigs contains eds phigs extensions including post view proprietary extensions support mode rendering and use phigs environment axp dec and dec phigs trademarks digital equipment cor poration grafpak phigs and atc trademarks advanced tech nology center pex and trademarks massachusetts insti tute technology ibm exhibit featured gto accelerator attached ibm workstation running graphigs and pex hewlett packard and shographics demonstrated conference hewlett packard machine coupled display shographics pex terminal showcased latest phigs product enhance ments phigs user group phigs users group formed aid development phigs applications and provide user feedback phigs implementors and phigs standards bodies for information phigs users group send mail phigsug cadrt edu write sankar jayaram virginia polytechnic institute randolph hall blacksburg fax vendor contacts megatek corporation tel fax template graphics software tel fax wise software gmbh tel fax north american sales tel fax advanced technology center tel fax digital equipment corporation tel international business machines corporation tel hewlett packard company tel copies conference proceedings copies conference proceedings obtained contact ing mary johnson johnson mary design and manufacturing institute rensselaer polytechnic institute eighth street building cii room troy tel fax email mjohnson rdrc rpi edu cost per binder
comp.graphics	parametric variational design for papers articels books source information parametric variational design cad solid modeling suggetions references greatly appreaciated advance jayesh patel enuxha eas asu edu
comp.graphics	broad question creating demo for ibm for band combine interesting graphics and sample music program things this for platforms and even for since completly this idea wher start pretty that not skilled put this together hoping that you collectivly issues worry things into consideration developing concept perhaps programmer artist interested this type project broad questions information helpful gregory winer cwru edu
comp.graphics	rgb hvs and back article apr htsa aha remcoha htsa aha remco hartog writes question convert rgb coded red green blue colors into hvs coded hue saturnation colors formulas use answer foley van dam feiner and hughes computer graphics principles and practice second edition people read this book percent questions this froup disappear overnight spl steve lamont sciviguy spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy and imaging resource san diego jolla car car bumper strip
comp.graphics	gif viewer source code for source code for gif viewer doesn fancy written display gif pictures vga screen hoping for free ftp site haven find david lau davidla ecs comm mot
comp.graphics	final call for papers call for papers progress neural networks special volume shape analysis omid omidvar minsoo suk series editor volume editor significant progress made recently shape analysis neural networks and energy minimization concept ablex publishing corporation planning special volume shape analysis scheduled for this year this volume will part progress neural networks annual book series reviewing research modelling analysis design and application neural networks primary aim this volume present single volume important achievements made this important topic scattered diverse literature authors invited submit original manuscripts detailing recent progress suggested topics include not limited shape modelling shape estimation shape recovery shape representation shape matching surface reconstruction and surface decomposition research work utilizing neural networks directly based energy minimization techniques such markov random field mean field annealing simulated annealing graduated convexity algorithms and resistive networks paper tutorial nature contained and preferably not necessarily fifty double spaced pages length send electronically you prefer you can send hardcopy address below abstract and outline msuk ima enst full paper submitted july europe usa professor minsoo suk professor omid omidvar department images computer science department ecole nationale superieure university district columbia des telecommunications connecticut ave rue barrault washington paris cedex phone france fax fax email oomidvar udcvax bitnet email msuk ima enst
comp.graphics	acm siggraph registration problem word warning for you registering for siggraph received registration form back mail envelope marked return sender moved left address closed box address used register for siggraph printed registration form acm siggraph box chicago printed envelope printing honest evidently siggraph skipped town moved ended faxing registration hope that number real michael zyda
comp.graphics	ntsc data rgb for video capture you apply unlevelshifting and subtracting this matrix multiplication give results rgb space you clamp resulting bytes conversion arbitrary big integers not floats this applies yuv data ntsc yiq degree rotation buid brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck irs inf dresden
comp.graphics	fast polygon routine needed article apr eye jesse eye jesse lackey writes article rguqoinnrc edna swin edu alan saturn swin alan christiansen writes that algorithms you can that will draw convex polygons can efficient that can draw concave intersecting polygons this efficiency can largely attributed fact that simple convex polygons left and edge each scan line complex figure type polygons can bit trickier true convex algorithm faster general concave multi outline algorithm not tremendously faster spent awhile implementing and optimizing flavors and convex turned faster this risc compiler loop shooting span fast for sort game database render ahead time and can made convex for haven found quite for finals coming put this hold lucas
comp.graphics	digital terrain data for visualization needed terrain data for visualization research taking place tel aviv university two databases that working work databases possibly complicated and that will give prettier images describe kind data mention that present paper titled photo realistic imaging digital terrains describes research and results eurographics conference barcelona this september show video tape results good data that will receive will presented tape mention donator working databases consisting aerial satelite photographs and terrain elevation maps dtm each database consists array height values data format can used for each and array color values can gray level color full bit values format can used work and resolution databases access this kind data can such data files respond this news group email directly amit math tau amit shaked danny indigo bgu daniel cohen names people will data will cited paper and publications
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comp.graphics	kubota freedome people asking for information kubota graphics workstations info kenai denali freedom text denali freedom brown associates denali bears strong resemblance evans and sutherlands freedom graphics subsystem aspects high level design products use parallel array processors for geometric computations pixel router connect this front end second array pixel processors result denali and freedome overlap significantly performance and functionality design teams similar philosophies respect modularity scalability and market penetration remain important differences kpc and products evans and sutherland designed freedom high end developer dream system plenty performance potential and flexibility favor freedom configurations two sixteen floating point units border range that starts and ends higher price and performance levels denali freedom systems include large fixed number pixel processors that support broader variety color blending functions freedom design treats entire image memory general purpose memory allowing developers allocate flexible basis number special purpose applications finally provided freedom flexible otput and video integration features for multimedia and simulation applications note that kpc working auxiliary board for ntsc and pal output that will not require external video encoder programmable output features will remain flexible kpc design team contrast made denali end user system entry version performance range and flexibility low end freedom configurations and come realistic mainstream price points denali not modules freedome deeper scan conversion pipeline support each resulting cost performance characteristics products provide strong support for imaging and volume rendering kpc recognized that not users will want even mix capabilities denali configuration flexibility customers effect purchase geometric and pixel processing capabilities separately and upgrade separately needed companies implemented hardware texture mapping workstation price levels attack sgi expensive vgxt and realityengine systems products provide this capability kpc supports point sampling and bilinear interpolation textures hardware software support for higher qualtiy tri linear interpolated mipmapping method balance denali provideds bettern texturing capabilities for applications affordable kpc solutions deliver parallelism for texture processing and screen memory for general graphics data storage implementing texture mapping transformation modules foces customers move quickly higher price levels obtain texturing performance kubota avoids this problem linking texturing frame buffer modules providing lower cost scalable solution hope this helps brian this reprinted permission for full text contact kubota
comp.graphics	problems article apr nessie mcc lilley mcc writes bit program this not bug never claimed bug can import bit images and quantises bits this handy facility not bug never claimed bug you suggest colour editing bit file you group related colours edit together global software and complicated you want colour editing bit image you powerfull software readily commercially guess edited note this article posted newsgroups wrote making color modifications quickly bit quantized images and saving image file process make modifications bit image this makes sense main use viewing images image modifications buffer and making operations bit image simplify operation list for unnecessary operations and lastly jpeg compression algorithm can applied image arbitrary bit depth this not bug never claimed bug don claim that jpeg noting compression algorithm jpeg you propably misunderstood wrote you places you missed wrong wrote juhana kouhia
comp.graphics	convertion program gremlin wondering program for converting graphic formats such fig pic unixplot tek etc gremlin dan
comp.graphics	human head modeling software article wbp taurus nps navy mil adaptive nps navy mil zyda res acct writes interested facial animation and want implement program this area don information for face for images face getting cyberware demo ftp contains images face copyright status this data restrictions can put kaveh kaveh kardan kardank ere umontreal kaveh data included cyberware demo proprietary use you that you give credit you use research paper project and send results geo cyberware george dabrowski cyberware labs dabro taurus nps navy mil
comp.graphics	colour transform for red green colour blindness posted behalf craig southeren not access net account can provide colour space transform that emulate effects red green colour blindness had quick computer graphics literature results perhaps access medical information write program ppm filter previewing images check for sufficient contract for colour blind users not colour blind this bit difficult email replies will summarise and repost sufficient interest craig craig southeren you can good cheap chief engineer fast two picture start productions arthur clarke email geoffw ucc phone educate don legislate
comp.graphics	rgb hls hsv conversion routines wanted article sun nluug bultman dgw rws bultman writes for rgb cube hls double hexcone hsv cylinder conversion routines rgb hsv miss hls rgb hsv you checked foley book solutions chapter yeh usc
comp.graphics	rgb hvs and back article ltu buinne caspian usc edu zyeh caspian usc edu zhenghao yeh writes foley van dam feiner and hughes computer graphics principles and practice second edition people read this book percent questions this froup disappear overnight not nah figure people busy reading that wouldn time post spl steve lamont sciviguy spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy and imaging resource san diego jolla meet you upper hell convulsed foaming immortal blood farewell berryman professor song
comp.graphics	illustrator autotrace poorly use arts letters and you make use tracing preferences traces beautifully trick tracing traced entire cartoon images into custom clip art you can expect point image and that takes work cases lot work you trace drawing piece piece and put together kinda hard explain type you reno can give you demonstration
comp.graphics	rgb hvs and back answer foley van dam feiner and hughes computer graphics principles and practice second edition people read this book percent questions this froup disappear overnight not yeh usc
comp.graphics	graphic design newsgroup newsgroup discusses graphic design pcs and macs corel draw
comp.graphics	screen capture dos screen capture utility shareware that will work reliably vesa screens stockman hwstock sandia llnl gov
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comp.graphics	ftp site gifs mharring cch coventry martin writes ftp sites and cannot find good gif files ftp sites posses goods gifs and wide range you don ftp sites listed sig you won you find beg you not stastny otis project end process sound news and arts ftp sunsite unc edu pub multimedia pictures otis omaha projects otis email cwis unomaha edu sunsite unc edu
comp.graphics	colour transform for red green colour blindness article geoffw extro ucc geoffw extro ucc geoffrey warren hicks writes posted behalf craig southeren not access net account can provide colour space transform that emulate effects red green colour blindness had quick computer graphics literature results perhaps access medical information reference follows bear mind that two conditions called red green colour blind protanopia caused lack major dysfunction cones that respond long wavelengths this reduced red green and red violet discrimination and means that reds dimmer people normal vision deuteranopia due missing dysfunctional cones can caused lack cone difference signals retina reduced red green discrimination red violet unaffected unlike protanopia reds not dimmer normal uniform chromaticity diagram horseshoe shaped you computer graphics books single confusion point for each type colour deficiency colours confused lie straight lines radiating this point for protanopia point close red corner for deuteranopia point note that experimental investigations literature give slightly values for depending precise details experimental setup random errors and values quoted typical colours line colour this problem solved tests people normal eye and affected eye shown that axis for each type disorder colours collapse for protanopes this joins and spectral locus edge horseshoe for deuteranopes line similar joining and convert colours normal vision simulated protanopia duuteranopia plot colour uniform chromaticity diagram construct line this point confusion point find intersection this line axis line this chromaticity reference for this meyer greenberg colour defective vision and computer graphics displays ieee computer graphics and applications you will decent reference basic colour science you not familiar cie xyz colour model and uniform chromaticity scale diagram write program ppm filter previewing images check for sufficient contract for colour blind users not colour blind this bit difficult this you will chromaticities red green and blue phosphors monitor you intend display images and chromaticity white point this information can measured obtained manufacturer posted list monitor chromaticities couple weeks ago procedure for each pixel follows lookup tables convert rgb cie xyz this simple matrix multiplication once you monitor data retaining component for convert xyz chromaticity coordinates find equation line step find intersection step convert back xyz step ensure that this colour can displayed your monitor not move line xyz space neutral grey half black and white displayable email replies will summarise and repost sufficient interest posted for rest chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	gif viewer trouble viewing gif files system large sections don show vpic and picem running gateway speedstar vga card and nec multisync inch monitor suggestions don robert woodward department physiology university missouri columbia mail mizzou missouri edu
comp.graphics	turning photographic images into thermal print and negatives article apr seq uncwil edu hawks seq uncwil edu david hawks writes for business and end product photograph damaged black and whites and repair hand present this computer find vendor can convert computer stored images negatives thermal print customer will want copy brand original photgraph crt film writers agfa called matrix and pretty companies sell equipment you want talk company your area that presentation slides offers graphics services machines and point you local vendor question money units essentially high res crts filter wheel camera and computer hook david reiner shooting slides for talk agfa machines
comp.graphics	viewing jpeg files can view jpeg files special hardware lucy wilson access services librarian college engineering university cincinnati
comp.graphics	libraries for text math graphics display libraries for preparing and displaying quickly pages mixed text mathematical equations and graphics circles ellipses etc vdu maths wouldnt tex quality scaleable main thing generate display quickly minimum set formatting code campbell
comp.graphics	rgb hvs and back article ltu buinne caspian usc edu zyeh caspian usc edu zhenghao yeh writes foley van dam feiner and hughes computer graphics principles and practice second edition people read this book percent questions this froup disappear overnight not alternatively questions cover topics this group making frequently asked cover topics making rarely asked and sore answering chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
comp.graphics	problems article rohjc avt tut lehtori tut kouhia juhana writes article apr nessie mcc lilley mcc writes moved bit wrote making color modifications quickly bit quantized images and saving image file process make modifications bit image this makes sense main use viewing images image modifications buffer and making operations bit image simplify operation list for unnecessary operations you bit image quantised bits similar colours mapped single palette colour this colour gets modified fairly arbitrary ways you want apply modifications back bit file you find colours mapped this palette colour you this copying bit file bit file and extra bits hold index entry this you exactly apply difference rgb original and modified palette entry each colour group this generate colours rgb range lead discontinuities parts smooth colour gradient mapped palette entries you interpolate full modification modification depending each colour palette entry suspect this odd summary previous posting holds you suggest colour editing bit file you group related colours edit together global software and complicated you want colour editing bit image you powerfull software readily commercially words edit bit file you software built for job tacking mods create problems solves bits you claiming that bugs that not you meant you propably misunderstood wrote you places found that collected digest format your posting made difficult understand precisely your point misunderstood you missed wrong wrote wrong chris lilley technical author itti computer graphics and visualisation training project computer graphics unit manchester computing centre oxford road manchester internet lilley mcc voice fax janet lilley mcc
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comp.graphics	raw gif can find program that converts format named raw img gif format jpeg desirable for unix machine for raw format image file that tail characters each referencing pixel monocrome image and lies and thanxs mne ing puc
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comp.graphics	digital cameras interested obtaining highest image capture windows application resulting image print and high resolution name game familiar and unhappy composite video capture technology kind resolution can svhs signal rgb and makes rgb cameras experience digital cameras greatly appreciated william brandsdorfer uunet lehman wbrand lehman brothers inet wbrand lehman greenwich voice york
comp.graphics	windows bmp wanted day for program convert bmp images gif tga even ppm prefer unix program dos fine alchemy for dos and windows image viewers can save image formats converter not viewer apprieciated cheers stephen peter unsw edu stephen peter steve keystone arch unsw edu school architecture university south wales australia phone fax messages
comp.graphics	ibm writing screen memory graphics can give information lead electronic information not books poor programming standard graphics modes and easy not rest planes and writing ports and don numbers for color modes wrong byte pixel that easy ways write screen perhaps bytes time that information mode reminds another question supervga modes work generally normal and color modes not mode numbers for cards methods for writing screen for you can give developing screen class for and find searching for information ralf brown interrupt list tons invaluable information doesn into screen programming details for read write pixel bios calls edward ball sigless knight eball calvin edu
comp.graphics	synergy revolt otis colaberation project otis project presents synergy revolt continuing series collaborative art initiatives designed exploit binarity infosphere this series diversely structured art manipulation projects will attempt stretch across network boundries encouraging use electronic mail fax video photography scanned conventional art and even sound create multi artist visuals gif and jpg formats visualists technical levels revolt will structured simply will stages production stage will consist participants creating work starter piece that two partici pants will turn manipulate stage base images due sunday midnight central daylight time stage two will begin images will another arbitrarily chosen participant for manipulations fit for purely digital artists this consist filtering image favorite paint program for analog artists this printing hardcopy image and adding part pen pencil white scan ning image transferred stage artist second stage works due midnight sunday stage finishing stage and will begin artists will takes finish image technique worthy images will due june midnight involved will participate each stage creation join send email mail info name email address mail address scanner access color grey printer access laser postscript inkjet color dot computer access mac ibm sun amiga atari output format tiff targa gif jpeg pict postscript fax photocopy pcx windows bitmap graphics level bit bit bit ftp access time limitations address information email mad celt cwis unomaha edu andrew booth project manager include revolt subject line mail otis project synergy revolt omaha remember starter images due sunday deposit ftp sites sunsite unc edu pub multimedia pictures otis incoming projects otis incoming send uuencoded images email send hardcopies address arrange fax exchange you don your starter image you won participate synergy phase mid june will accomodate facilitate image exchange for technologically impaired you don access scanner you image printed and you send sase you anticipate this additional information suggestions for use uncommon mediums such video stills electronic imaging and sound fax availability times copyright considerations appropriation image conversion otis project general andy booth you abducted aliens elvis local hear you omaha paranormal experiences you had
comp.graphics	rgb hvs and back remco hartog remcoha htsa aha wrote question convert rgb coded red green blue colors into hvs coded hue saturnation colors formulas use lets this hsv hsb hsl and hls hopefully hvs transposition hsv and not another color model code hsv hsl coding haven bultman dgw rws another possibility mirrors msdos graphics graphgem zip wuarchive wustl edu bill neisius bill solaria hac code starbase manual coordinates noralised interval hsl rgb hue saturation luminosity red green blue float hue saturation luminosity input hsl float red green blue output rgb float frac temporaries hue hue frac hue int hue luminosity saturation luminosity saturation frac luminosity saturation frac switch int hue case case red luminosity green blue break case red green luminosity blue break case red green luminosity blue break case red green blue luminosity break case red green blue luminosity break case red luminosity green blue break rgb hsl red green blue hue saturation luminosity define max define min float red green blue input rgb float hue saturation luminosity output hsl float tempr tempg tempb temporary values hue saturation luminosity max red green blue min red green blue luminosity calculate saturation luminosity luminosity saturation calculate tempr luminosity red luminosity tempg luminosity green luminosity tempb luminosity blue luminosity red luminosity hue green tempb tempg green luminosity hue blue tempr tempb hue red tempg tempr hue
comp.graphics	needed dxf iff this faq conversion utilities for autodesk dxf amiga iff format checked comp graphics faq and number sites banana mail pei hsieh mail cunixb columbia edu such thing small job small fees anon architect
comp.graphics	for polygon convexifier can find code concave polygons and break into set convex polygons kevin sahr piglet uccs edu
comp.graphics	for job software engineer not that supposed post this mail last year involved developing graphical user interface gui applications enjoyed personally part this news group wherin interesting information helped work posting resuming hoping that people working area make time westgate hall isu ames april dear prospective employer seeking employment software engineer interests software design and development can utilize experience hardware programming graphical user interface gui operating systems and computer networking received bachelors engineering degree electronics engineering and degree electrical engineering dec iowa state university enrolled computer engineering iowa state university masters program research assistant since jan published papers including ieee transactions magnetics papers reflection quality research and ability learn concepts quickly involved projects involving software developments and extensive experience programming fortran and assembly level familiar operating systems unix ultrix and dos familiar motif programming and research assistant involved graphical user interface gui design multiplatform gui toolkit xvt experiences include areas such operating systems and computer networks work and projects involved study design and development internals xinu operating system involved tcp programming projects computer networking college learnt importance clear and concise communication learned lot time management program maintained grade average worked hours per week and enjoyed involved extra curricular activities software experiences hardware background electronics engineering helpful career goals software engineer request that qualifications kindly reviewed interview discuss your employment and career goals eager hear you sincerely rajesh rajsnr iastate edu resume rajesh work residence coover isu westgate hall isu ames ames mail rajsnr iastate edu objective obtain challenging position software engineer involving software design and development can utilize experience hardware programming graphical user interface gui operating systems and computer networking education enrolled computer engineering iowa state university ames iowa electrical engineering iowa state university ames iowa dec gpa major thesis probability detection pod models for eddy current nondestructive evaluation nde methods project funded federal aviation administration faa electronics engineering bangalore university bangalore india jan publications rajesh udpa and udpa numerical model based approach for estimating probability detection nde applications ieee transactions magnetics vol march rajesh udpa and udpa estimation eddy current probability detection finite element model presented annual review progress quantitative nondestructive evaluation conferance san diego california jul rajesh udpa udpa and nakagawa probability detection models for eddy current nde methods presented annual review progress quantitative nondestructive evaluation conferance brunswick jul relevant implemention operating systems electronic devices and circuits computer network architecture pulse and digital circuits work advanced computer communications artificial neural networks introduction supercomputing pattern recognition microprocessors and computer digital image processing organization digital signal processing computer technology and integrated circuits and design programming projects implementation fork system call xinu operating system involved implementation cpu scheduling algorithm taking into consideration aging processes this project involved study design and development internals xinu operating system design and development interrupt driven keyboard driver this project involved thorough understanding device drivers design and development unix tree structured directory creation subdirectories and organization files accordingly this project included implementation routines such mkdir rmdir and support directory structure analysis methods congestion control computer networks implementation bellman ford routing algorithm for distributed network communication network nodes based udp this project involved programming simulation digital logic functional units starting basic gates registers counters adders multipliers arithmetic logic unit alu and project involved extensive programming unix environment work research assistant center for nde iowa state university ames experience aug present work involves development applications graphical user interface gui toolkits familiar programming motif environment recent work involves development multiplatform gui applications portable gui toolkit xvt this project supported nist national institute standards and technology research assistant center for nde iowa state university ames jan aug work involved developing software for modeling electromagnetic nde techniques such eddy current method involved optimization code parallel computer cray ymp this project supported faa and involved working close contact aircraft industry boeing trainee engineer indian telephone industries bangalore india work involved design and development microprocessor based programmable telephone dialler used cordless telephones involved programming microprocessor control pulsing actions relays telephone circuit jan nov computer languages fortran assembly level skills software motif xvt computer graphics hoops tcp programming image processing utilities sdrc ideas autocad operating systems unix stellix ultrix dos systems dec series and sun workstations macintosh stellar parallel systems cray ymp ibm maspar cube honours and iowa state university graduate college scholarship activities jan present ranked students bachelors engineering entrance examination ensuring full scholarship state pursue bachelors degree current member ieee references request
comp.graphics	intel pci standard read mesg genie intel coming graphics standard called pci supplant vesa standards this rumor substance heard this standard mail obtain info advance vamilliron othello ucd edu
comp.graphics	pov ray for vax computer pov ray ibm compatible home run things work vax computer version source code for pov ray that vax specific not find looked sites ibmpc version can found can advance ross kummer rmit melbourne australia internet address rkummer phillip edu clever signoff busy playing pov ray
comp.graphics	gws can graphics work shop brad utkvx utk edu
comp.graphics	problems article apr nessie mcc lilley mcc writes article rohjc avt tut lehtori tut kouhia juhana writes wrote making color modifications quickly bit quantized images and saving image file process make modifications bit image this makes sense main use viewing images image modifications buffer and making operations bit image simplify operation list for unnecessary operations you bit image quantised bits similar colours mapped single palette colour this colour gets modified fairly arbitrary ways you want apply modifications back bit file you find colours mapped this palette colour suppose you don discussed discussed error shows images bit and suggestion works perfectly colormap editing window that colormap problems you present exist and didn solve not make such problems programs place gamma and color corrections easily bit image presented make tricks bit quantized image back bit image you suggest colour editing bit file you group related colours edit together global software and complicated you writing situation that user want edit images bit and user want edit individual colors your questions jumps discussion bit solution doesn work colormap withing real bit image you user bit image back bit silly changing individual colors bit quantized rasterized image changing individual colors colormap useless cases image quantized and rasterized small change make errors anywhere image this feature don recommend use mentioned type images not paint program you can make global full bit changing individual colors sounds paint program job person bit screen for tricks original bit image modified user don full bit image make approximations and not modify individual colors individual pixels pixel groups image rasterized select indiavidual color cursor window shows true color image cursor window area selecting individual color that don thought bit painting programs never such good view and not planned make such not mention bit painting program bit screen wrong saved bit quantized rasterized images bit jpegs jpeg not designed for that human expect that bit will saved bit image person crop part image and save expected that image designed thinking human interface and human expect program work design error heard designed for bit images files not good idea full bit images making major change original design even screen images bit processed images and saved images bit easily bit will make note make lift means that lift and means that lift and put note this design solution manuals even manuals tells correct situation doesn solve problem americans lift example text bit hard reading hopefully you suggeeded read juhana kouhia
comp.graphics	raw gif you can use pbm rawtopgm convert raw files pgm format you can use pgm toppm convert pgm files composite ppm file and feed this cjpeg for compression slow and circuitous will work rick
comp.graphics	needed dxf iff article apr news columbia edu cunixb columbia edu pei hsieh writes this faq conversion utilities for autodesk dxf amiga iff format checked comp graphics faq and number sites banana mail pei hsieh mail cunixb columbia edu such thing small job small fees anon architect hei pei can not you directly width you problem intermediate roads iff converter that can iges iif dxf iges milespec iges milespec iges iif milespec iif milespec iif and dxf iif ibm iges format converters that can handle iges iff hope this converter part iges processor package ibm and runs aix regard finn chr lundbo ibm bergen environmental sciences solutions centre mail finn bsc
comp.graphics	for dos problem downloaded file exe zip site posted contained files cjpeg exe djpeg exe exe run couldn run exe and halts matter this files missing zip exe appreciated bye wolfram wolfram kresse mail wolfram rbg informatik darmstadt meeneemeeneemeenee that tweeky
comp.graphics	alpha kubota graphic sgi experience porting program alpha apx workstation kubota denali graphic problems real graphic performance sgi indigo juergen fechter universitaet tuebingen wsi gris office auf der morgenstelle fax tuebingen germany email fechter gris informatik uni tuebingen
comp.graphics	tiff complexity article enet dec you write thinks that tiff complex hasn dealt cgm asn cda dca sgml number successful file format people perfectly capable dealing yeah unlike tiff substantially encode rectangular bitmaps and trouble free hear that quite common for cgm implementations not interoperate annoying thing tiff that that options stupid options egregious example that picking byte order and bit order and consistently tiff files byte and bit order options and tiff readers machines matter natural byte order prepared byte swapping slightly fax formats adequate rgb images can stored pixel component complexity function etc etc note that tiff doc that aldus experiments show that lzw reliably compresses fax formats suggesting that fax formats worse lot formats aren even implemented lzw limits code words bits bits provided substantially compression and lzw method compresses bytes pixels absolute worst thing tiff that vendor can register proprietary tiff codes and formats even publicly documenting this means that write tiff reader that can reliably read incoming tiff files standard regards john levine johnl iecc cambridge spdcc ima world iecc johnl
comp.graphics	bits viewer article apr labtam labtam graeme labtam labtam graeme gill writes article seti inria deniaud cartoon inria gilles deniaud writ for program display bits images sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running xli xloadimage imagemagick export lcs mit edu contrib shareware supports bit displays and lots improvements earlier versions worth checking export jean jean liddle computer science illinois state university mail jliddle ilstu edu
comp.graphics	for brain cad jasen mabus rpi student for hman brain cad dxf cad iges cgm etc picture gif jpg ras etc format for animation demonstration location reply mail mabusj rpi edu you advance jasen mabus
comp.graphics	sci files and sco files week ago guy asked sco file researched bit and foundout that another rix file sci files files and sco files files alle formats called character regards rued
comp.graphics	real article vall dsv matt dah dsv mattias dahlberg writes rauno haapaniemi raunoh otol wrote earlier today read for real animation ray tracing software and looked convincing good don amiga and began version nope not hear that ports real version pipeline possibly unix not put straight gary work serc daresbury lab internet coulter daresbury uni staffordshire university hardware regards email mattias matt dah dsv love
comp.graphics	tom gaskins pexlib phigs programming manuals reilly article neuro usc edu merlin neuro usc edu merlin writes explain difference tom gaskins two books pexlib programming manual phigs programming manual want buy book book pexlib and phigs comes mit pex and explained phigs programming manual api for pex protocol extension protocol depends you you use advantage phigs protability platforms ibm graphigs sunphigs and standardized structuring objects advantage pexlib sometimes faster and easier programming for mode graphics pex not exactly mapping phigs prortocol ooo ooo roland holzapfel computer email wilhelminenstrasse graphics holzapfe igd fhg darmstadt center phone germany zgdv this space intentionally left blank
comp.graphics	intel pci standard vamilliron intel pci another local bus standard can used for graphics local buses can used for things pci local bus compete vesa local bus not vesa graphics standard enlightened shed light this matter
comp.graphics	wanted shareware graphics display program for dos graphics display program that can parameter name file displayed display that image and quit graphics display programs come menu silliness this program run another program lots memory and vga color graphics format will heard such beast keith keith knudsen notre dame
comp.graphics	scia invitation scia scandinavian conference image analysis will arranged norwegian society for image processing and pattern recognition nobim and sponsored international association for pattern recognition iapr conference will held tromsoe tromsoe located latitude degrees northern norway centre for administration and education programme scientific programme runs days and includes invited speakers sessions parallel tracks contributed papers and poster sessions contributions conference covers topics image processing and analysis pattern recognition computer vision parallel algorithms and architectures neural nets matching methods image compression remote sensing medical and biological applications industrial applications conference language official language conference english invited talks and speakers segmentation range images data fusion and morphological watersheds professor ralph gonzalez university tennessee knoxville object recognition range images professor anil jain michigan state university experiments mobile robot navigation and range imaging judd jones oak ridge national laboratory image compression professor tor ramstad university trondheim combining evidence dictionary based probabilistic relaxation professor kittler university surrey matching methods professor sanfeliu polytechnic university catalonia workshop connection conference workshop contextual methods pattern recognition will arranged monday iapr for information workshop contact torfinn taxt chairman univ bergen bergen norway phone fax mail torfinn taxt uib registration information registration fee nok fee covers proceedings entrance oral and poster sessions exhibition lunches and coffee breaks together party reception and banquet fees for accompanying persons presented registration form payments made payable norwegian kroner nok swift xiannokktrm bank giro service bank account sas conference forut christiania bank kreditkasse private cheques will not accepted credit cards visa mastercard eurocard diners access american express note for payment swift and bank giro service made abroad add banking fee nok remember state scia and your name money transfers registration and information conference secretariat will days conference for registration and information sas hotel university exhibition exhibition relevant literature will arranged publishers invited exhibit products visit local companies and institutions involved field remote sensing will arranged accommodation reservation for hotel accommodation can made registration form scia conference secretariat sas luftreisebyraa att bodil lauritsen will provide hotel accommodation for participants social events monday together party included conference fee for delegates nok for accompanying persons tuesday fishing trip tour will last for hours and hopefully midnight sun will visit board boat will music food and drink choice bring fishing rods and will fish prepared board nok spouse programme visit cable car storsteinen meters sea level visit arctic cathedral and visit tromsoe museum nok wednesday due cancellation svalbard flight will arrange visit beerhall nok including beer and food spouse programme visit fishfarm surroundings tromsoe nok thursday banquet included conference fee for delegates accompanying persons nok spouse programme visit northern lights planetarium and polar museum nok spouse programs minimum participants arranged post conference tours visit lyngen finnmark and norh cape will arranged for information social program and post conference tours registration form and information included registration form weather and dress weather tromsoe late can hour sunshine maximum temperature degrees celsius snowstorms temperatures below freezing recommended bring warmer clothes local information population approximately tromsoe you can part activities mountaineering midnight sun late night fun international restaurants and bars afternoon local beer beerhall world northernmost brewery recommended scandinavian conference image analysis scia will held university campus world northernmost university will conference buses campus walking distances hotels detailed information locations and transport will conference hotels travel information tromsoe airport langnes minutes drive centre tromsoe travelling distance oslo minutes sas conference support tromsoe offers airticket services for conference addition standard terms full and reduced fare tickets europe and overseas reduced fares require that you stay scandinavia night saturday and sunday can offer additional conference fares for sas flights sas destinations scandinavia and reduced fares norwegian domestic flights you want make use this service contact bodil lauritsen conference secretariat conference secretariat sas luftreisebyraa tromsoe att bodil lauritsen box tromsoe norway phone fax note that reduced airticket fares can not obtained flights scandinavia you don stay night saturday and sunday front conference hand you don stay that night tromso obtain reduced fares scandinavia sas flights cut registration form scandinavian conference image analysis tromso norway use block letters type and fill form for each parti cipant completed registration form for accompanying person attached registration form delegate mrs name and surname company institution title mailing address postal code country telephone telefax delegate accompanying person tick for category workshop contextual methods pattern recognition monday conference fee delegates nok social events tick for participating together party monday included conference fee for delegates accompanying person nok spouse programme tuesday nok spouse programme wednesday nok spouse programme thursday nok boat trip tuesday nok banquet thursday included conference fee for delegates accompanying person nok visit beerhall wednesday nok post conference tour lyngen nok post conference tour finnmark north cape nok minimum number participants accomplish tours total amount for participation nok payment payment can made swift xiannokktrm bank giro service bank account sas conference forut christiania bank kreditkasse gronnegt tromso norway private cheques will not accepted credit card visa mastercard eurocard diners access american express account number expiration date signature note for payment swift and bank giro service made abroad add banking fee nok remember state scia and your name money transfers accomodation payment made arrival weekend friday sunday deadline for cancellation hotel room hours arrival you book your accomodation tromso fill date arrival date departure sas royal hotel single double weekend weekend grand nordic hotel single double weekend weekend home hotel single double saga hotel single double polar hotel single double weekend weekend tromso hotel single double weekend weekend skipperhuset pension single double triple hotel nord single double triple private accomodation single double will arrange accomodation choice not stay 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comp.graphics	pov ray for vax computer generic version for unix and vms and build imho vms file build supplied distribution comes tar you uncompress and tar vms unix flavoured machine handy you won find this ibm specific archives brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck irs inf dresden
comp.graphics	problems oops hell crosspost this power brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck irs inf dresden
comp.graphics	picture ascii conversion wondering heard utility that converts type image format gif tiff pcx bmp jpeg etc ascii representation sophiticated art ascii format never find author program that converted data picture format leads great advance danny dunlavy ddunlavy casbah acns nwu edu
comp.graphics	arts letters graphics editor comp graphics menchett dws unr edu peter menchetti writes this group use this program stacks pretty corel draw and since don cdrom buy interested trading tips and tricks arts letters and coreldraw personally arts letters things arts letters that coreldraw doesn vice versa haven found perfect graphics program that favorite feature coreldraw that imports alot formats arts letters not thousands clipart arts letters find book and referencing number annoying major problems that isn programs market for artistically deprived betty harvey harvey oasys navy mil david taylor model basin adp networking and communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code center bethesda dtmb nswc fax
comp.graphics	software development libs for targa boards revamping computer aided visual inspection systems use targa board set cards display images color ccd camera color monitor providing option overlay text crosshair image capture manipulation performed display source for development libraries embed commands software enable camera draw crosshairs print text etc glad pay commercially mail joe ryburn cim manager intergraph corporation manufacturing integration huntsville
comp.graphics	sgi sales practices crimson kubota announcement olson anchor esd sgi dave olson writes surely you don expect system you buy for year period constantly upgradable that entire year period sort interesting this thread common similar threads groups dealing vendor hardware deal basically hardware vendors apple dec and sgi and tend monitor groups vendor hardware sgi customers pissed sgi dropping support for personal iris dec customers pissed dec for dropping mips support favor alpha boxes and apple customers pissed time mac introduced that faster and cheaper bought used sun customer years ago remember people pissed sun for leaving and customers cold sparc interesting that can mis folks basement don pissed ibm idea ibm care customers customers brainwashed smaller vendors roy smith roy nyu edu hippocrates project department microbiology coles nyu school medicine avenue york this never happened bart simpson
comp.graphics	lcd vga display ibm compatible notebook computer lcd vga screen working this morning screen started flicker thought odd since use surge protector for computer and peripherals this for second and stopped left room for minutes and returned screen completely dim not blank dim contrast slider worked that adjust faintly make screen brightness slider had absolutely effect plugged time not battery switching battery changing power saver features etc etc avail experienced this this means that replace screen guess thought that death lcd screen dramatic eventually happened didn want repaired asked net this yep you gotta this replaced and gonna cost you had computer for months that reasonable life cycle for lcd display guess give specifics brand compudyne this reputable company mhz forget model number exactly and ticked write coming work today can give advice you not opposed replaced not not absolutely you wouldn mind mail mike mik uky edu you post checking back couple days btw answer this question faq feel free flame that you include location and name faq you don mind advance for mike mattone mike mik uky edu
comp.graphics	sgi sales practices crimson kubota announcement article calvin nyu edu roy mchip med nyu edu roy smith writes interesting that can mis folks basement don pissed ibm idea ibm care customers customers brainwashed smaller vendors mis folks infinite budgets death and parts budget allocated upgrades maintenance and purchases and lot ibm mainframe purchases leases and software basically engineers tight budgets coders and designers company bitch and moan drop sparc faster machine year mis types upgrade once years and costs amortized and depreciated longer period and budget office justifies expense use machines for accounting payroll etc budget office dependant engineers for reason payroll and accounts you hell engineer cray desktop year brian
comp.graphics	fractel trees working senior project florida project requires fractel trees interested psuedo real code will perhaps good books subject mail will reach quartz iriquois eel ufl edu bill devore
comp.graphics	make your mind problems article rqisi rhj tut lehtori tut kouhia juhana writes article apr nessie mcc lilley mcc writes article rohjc avt tut lehtori tut kouhia juhana writes wrote making color modifications quickly bit quantized images and saving image file process make modifications bit image this makes sense main use viewing images image modifications buffer and making operations bit image simplify operation list for unnecessary operations you bit image quantised bits similar colours mapped single palette colour this colour gets modified fairly arbitrary ways you want apply modifications back bit file you find colours mapped this palette colour suppose you don discussed discussed error shows images bit and suggestion works perfectly consistent you post that suggest that you bit program sort error post and asy not bug meant that you post and not bug you never misunderstood etc you discussed error shows images bit you make your mind you claiming make discussion lot easier colormap editing window that colormap problems you present exist and didn solve not make such problems programs place don understand you aware that english not your native language and hard fathom your meaning this paragraph defeats gamma and color corrections easily bit image presented make tricks bit quantized image back bit image originally global easily this statement contradicts you earlier wrote making color modifications quickly bit quantized images and saving image file process make modifications bit image you suggest colour editing bit file you group related colours edit together global software and complicated you writing situation that user want edit images bit and user want edit individual colors your questions jumps discussion bit don you talking loading bit image into quantising manipulating colours colour editor somewhow applying bit file you exit lets you edit individual colours this sudden jumping topic solution doesn work colormap withing real bit image aware 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good view and not planned make such not mention bit painting program bit screen agree you not thought you don consistent point make and contradict post days perhaps you step back and this wrong saved bit quantized rasterized images bit jpegs jpeg not designed for that last post jpeg compression algorithm saving disk space trading quality compression fail problem you not proposed workable alternatives human expect that bit will saved bit image speak for you person met spoken quantised bit image bits expects this process reverse file saved keeping modificvations that heve made bit image palette perhaps that you yused singular person crop part image and save expected that image time you import bit image into carefully main control panel tells you colours allocated bit image makes abundantly clear that you not editing original bit file you person claims this confusing designed thinking human interface and human expect program work design error design error bug read lips program for viewing and modifying bit images lets you import images shows good deal thought human interface and use happily for purpose designed for makes false claims heard designed for bit images files not good idea full bit images making major change original design you come solid logical argued and lucid description precisely proposed extensions work feel free post you not even screen images bit processed images and saved images bit easily bit argh this comment that easily ahead and code easy alternatively terms import and reversible transformation will make note make lift means that lift and means that lift and put note this design solution manuals even manuals tells correct situation doesn solve problem americans lift example this bit exageration you you into lift elevator you states and mistakenly pressed button had problem you sue manufacturer text bit hard reading you bet hopefully you suggeeded read leaving language issue betrays wooly thinking you admit language chris lilley technical author 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comp.graphics	drivers for diamond viper card for couple weeks and become touch latest information diamond viper card diamond come vesa driver updates wondering latest windows driver version advance dan daniel hotopp internet hotopp ami bwi wec antenna microwave integration vax tron hotopp ami westinghouse electric corp voice
comp.graphics	lcd vga display had computer for months that reasonable life cycle for lcd display toshiba lcd cga died months replaced month warranty fortunately died died instantly and completely
comp.graphics	surface contour plot ultrix plot surfaces and contour plots set hint name such plotting program and find for your
comp.graphics	full color image editor for sgi workstations happy announce public release bit program interactive full color image viewer and editor based sgi typical touchup tasks such crop rotate smooth etc bit offers unique features not similar programs such text and vector support and separation text and image relevant sections man page pre release bit name bit bitmap image touchup for sgi workstations description bit interactive full color image viewer and editor based silicon graphics full color program bit handles images bits and color index natural and efficient manner image viewer bit list images displayed original type bits color index order and built styles display you can walk and list mouse and keyboard you can bit walk for you slideshow pan and zoom features large images can viewed full limited window screen size image editor bit performs large number image editing and processing tasks accurately and efficiently information loss stage editing process absolute minimum performing subpixel sampling automatically conserving input image type whenever avoid unnecessary promotion and quantization input images you can cut piece image and paste into another addition arbitrarily colored and sized text and simple geometric figures can rendered top image for annotation option make part bitmap output separately advantage higher printer resolutions postscript bit can used graphical user interface existing image processing programs defining external bindings essence turn command line oriented programs into bit subfunctions and can accessed press button and processed image will read back and displayed immediately convolution exter nally defined matrices arbitrary order can performed dynamically giving great flexibility processing image features bit performs image manipulations interactively continuous progress report and once processing complete processed image will displayed current features include rotates image arbitrary angle option anti aliasing and filling rotated region arbitrary color scales image arbitrary factors and directions option subpixel sampling renders text arbitrary color size orientation top image option rendering directly into raster saving text and raster separately such into postscript file advantage higher printer resolution normal text strings predefined special symbols can input conveniently tex alpha small beta produces greek alphabet alpha slightly smaller greek alphabet beta presents graphically histogram image performs arbitrary pixel transformation transformation function can interactively and can arbitrary forms transformation can applied rgb channels separately simultaneously and entire image portion difficult tasks such thresholding can accomplished easily transformation combination avai lability graphical histograms image places simple geometric figures sgfs arrows circles trian gles etc arbitrary color size and orientation into image arbitrary locations addressed absolute pixels user definable coordinate system units option rendering directly into raster save sgfs and raster separately postscript file sgfs can scaled and directions independently simultaneously this ellipse circle performs edge detection combination image histograms and transformation accurate result can obtained performs histogram equalization performs convolution externally defined square matrices arbitrary order crops rectangular portion image cuts and pastes across images magnifies portion image amount displays list images sequence user specifiable pause interval images slideshow measures rgb intensities pixel location pixels arbitrary line result presented rgb intensities intensity distance plot performs image type conversions converts image formats smoothes image special convolution filters image external programs and read filtered image back and display modify individual pixel rgb values performs fft entire image portion and display resulting power spectra spray and brush paint full color unavailable this pre release supported formats iris rgb native sgi iris jpeg jfif format compuserv gif pnm portable map including ppm pgm and pbm xbm window bitmap tiff postscript write hardware requirements sgi workstation that supports rgbmode including indigoes anonymous ftp monte svec edu pub bit bitxxx tar xxx version number current version read src readme for installation instructions unpacking acknowledgement jpeg support based independent jpeg groups library version forms library developed mark overmars used for gui jpeg and forms library included this release bit program you will view and annotate images built editing features will satisfy your editing addition external filter and dynamical kernel will utilize program you and you will comments bug reports
comp.graphics	stop this argument bit make your stop stop stop stop this argument getting silly handles bit images quantizing arguments moot null and void stop quibbling obsolete version program you can generate tons verbiage shareware licensing mike mike ressler infrared photon jockey ressler cougar jpl nasa gov science dead guys dos dos windoze dos linux finally getting pet
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comp.graphics	viewing jpeg files jpeg viewers that windows based and hardware specific drivers provided windows mine library congress connection online exhibit books vatican library previous message this newgroup that gerald edgar gwe atc boeing opinions expressed this not not represent employer
comp.graphics	for hot mac anim software mxp news udel edu stern brahms udel edu garland stern writes interested finding animation programs for mac interested programs that don exist port and good that make buy mac such exist advance howdy you interested infini for mac dos windows version quite amazing program features bevel text timeline based animation sequencer realtime bounding box preview object linking phong shading ray tracing bounding box shading wireframe shading ghourad shading flat shading anti aliasing low medium high environment maps quicktime support wrap movie object procedural surfaces composed surfaces for layering surfaces alpha channel support import eps dxf and swivel files export dxf and swivel files spline based animation animation assistant for creating smooth movements and stuff object morphing surfaces and bevels morph and lots that can remember not expensive animation rendering packages you can for macwarehouse educational discounts hope that helps bit brendan duddridge internet umduddr ccu umanitoba america online brendand
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comp.graphics	company info for graphics software months for job computer graphics software info graphics software companies checked faq resource list and siggraph org haven found last computer graphics career handbook that aware published list companies tremendously specific information can people steer current and depth informational resources post summary interest brandon opinions expressed not necessarily university north carolina chapel hill campus office for information technology experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu
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comp.graphics	universal vesa driver time ago month bit discussion universal vesa driver for bit cards file uvesa zip can find gorilla and sort cards works for pushing luck for post group kingsley turner nsw australia
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comp.graphics	real heard friend return nab las vegas confirm that realsoft will releasing windows version real this summer told that rendering speed isn fast told that switching microsoft watcom gain speed for people for powerful animation software for wait shouldn long real absolutely powerful and flexible package that sells for heard indigo version development
comp.graphics	source create fli flc source create fli flc animations ideally dll for windows settle for source heard amiga forums libraries distributed autodesk aawin aaplay not fli creation capability playback pointers appreciated andrew hudson abh genesis nred
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comp.graphics	fractal terrain generator fractal terrain generator for mac hopefully import into program swivel stratavision infini built capabilities don access infini downloaded two programs umich graphics fractals and crashed system black and white email you don check newsgroups advance dan bradley deb uxa cso uiuc edu
comp.graphics	hacker ethic great computer programmers read dobb journal recent issue paragraph article that pained greatly read nothing wrong microsoft setting standards for computer industry industry ibm for hacker ethic not cracker ethic and bad hacker ethic tells free distribution information and yield hands imperative that people and corporations bill gates ibm and intel virtual dead lock computer industry that person posts messages usenet into nooks crannies and idiosyncrasies computer system not information badmouthing completely that people steve jobs abandon efforts make innovative products you call hackers this and can you fact that computer industry changed world and continue for long time come allowed propagation information volume unheard even twenty years ago and made this world even smaller shudder that world will corporations allowed perpetuating drivel windows and ibm product line computer public that not business per people profit innovative intelligent creative designs not bother fact applaud that american manage sell kludgy uncreative systems public and profit problem and money make for blunt stupidity can for long time put you hacker ethic exists and exist call hackers allowing this perpetuate not creating innovative interesting ideas stop sos maintaining choke hold computer industry await interest will resounding silence pstlb acad alaska edu revenge dish served cold szechuan death khan singh star trek wrath khan
comp.graphics	lcd vga display mike mattone mike mik uky edu wrote experienced this this means that replace screen guess thought that death lcd screen dramatic eventually happened didn want repaired asked net this yep you gotta this replaced and gonna cost you had computer for months that long time echoing posting market nowadays your machine obsolete two weeks you buy sounds you sink money into for repair that sometimes for equipment that reasonable life cycle for lcd display months nothing wrong quite reasonable you had bought compaq toshiba you expected machine last longer wrong that moot point perhaps sandy santra trevor netcom berkeley california trevor
comp.graphics	lcd vga display article bab llt vcd edmoore vcd moore writes had computer for months that reasonable life cycle for lcd display toshiba lcd cga died months replaced month warranty fortunately died died instantly and completely worked support for company and had problems toshiba short space time years screens completely dodgy this happened fairly reliable and don special problem tosh link company that months not unreasonable unlucky regards kate kate kingman cstxqbe dcs warwick leave typos tall blonde esudb csv warwick occupy bored people
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comp.graphics	hacker ethic article aurora alaska edu pstlb aurora alaska edu writes put you hacker ethic exists and exist call hackers allowing this perpetuate not creating innovative interesting ideas stop sos maintaining choke hold computer industry gnu people handing good free software distributed two decent sized programs player fumiko ftp washington edu and genetic neural network programmer cerebrum had time write programs scholarships and grants intended benefit society loophole system peter dudey kyu lisp subguru order golden parentheses finger reformed church james eric half bee dipped curry shadowy flight into dangerous world man not exist mail plastic spaceships state salem
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comp.graphics	avs presentation university toronto instructional and research computing sponsoring technical presentation visualization software thursday sandford fleming building room advanced visual systems will present this technical seminar avs world leading visualization software package avs point and click module driven easy use product that produces full color two dimensional rendered scenes for interactive observation supported current unix risc platforms sun sgi ibm and dec runs dec vms avs fourth year street and mature fields science engineering medicine and even business applications use avs this seminar will focus features technical detail half hour slide presentation question period will live demonstration sun sparcstation addition avs program called campus will introduced this meeting discussed will international avs center line repository graphics modules north carolina supercomputer center raliegh avs imbedded tools write customized modules not avs avs international scheduled speaker for this presentation paul ecklund ecklund associates distributor avs canada
comp.graphics	adobe photo shop type software for unix motif platforms article world std sci image processing comp graphics wdm world std wayne michael writes searching for quality image enhancement and manipulation package for unix motif platforms that comparable adobe photo shop for mac stuff deleted understand that adobe working making photoshop for sgi indigo that rumor and wouldn bet release illustrator for sgi real charles boesel diablo creative pro for and con cboesel diablo holonet net opposite progress work congress
comp.graphics	make your mind problems article apr nessie mcc lilley mcc writes this feature don recommend use mentioned type images thew problem you want extend editing bit previews bit images point problems this you problem you personally happen not use parts program that problem previous article this debate for rests can agree view cases you don even personal opinion doesn mean that not obvious thing you use previous writings contradicting argument read you not you refered text wrote and you make hard decisions that reading exactly written hard read writes reply line line method and don understand include previously written material sentences give meaning you such you start replying articles even you don understand you repeatedly decsribe views wrong even posted article you reply not nice flamed specially that you not read article carefully place and jpeg faq and users written agree places you didn you didn undertand wrote can blame writing skills english for that stop discussion and check ideas allready mailed bradley juhana kouhia
comp.graphics	fractal terrain generator deb uxa cso uiuc edu daniel bradley writes fractal terrain generator for mac hopefully import into program swivel stratavision infini built capabilities don access infini downloaded two programs umich graphics fractals and crashed system black and white email you don check newsgroups advance dan bradley deb uxa cso uiuc edu written that creates meshed fractal terrain surfaces for exactly purpose you require importing into modelling packages warned data content high and brings packages knees use primarily for microstation exports dxf formats you you can ftp mirror site wuarchive wustl edu stuff located mirrors architec directory ftp readme file paul bourke school architecture property planning pdbourke ccu auckland university auckland private bag fax auckland zealand paul bourke school architecture property planning pdbourke ccu auckland university auckland private bag fax auckland zealand
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comp.graphics	universal vesa driver kintur scorch apana org kingsley turner writes time ago month bit discussion universal vesa driver for bit cards file uvesa zip can find gorilla and sort cards works for pushing luck for post group kingsley turner nsw australia host swdsrv edvz univie location dos graphics file mar uvesa zip host plaza aarnet edu location micros garbo screen file apr uvesa zip location micros oak graphics file mar uvesa zip host godzilla cgl rmit location kjb mgl file mar uvesa zip host nic switch location mirror msdos graphics file mar uvesa zip location software simtel graphics file mar uvesa zip host ipc rvs uni hannover location pub msdos koeln graphics egavga file apr uvesa zip host sun urz uni heidelberg location pub msdos simtel graphics file mar uvesa zip host athene uni paderborn location pcsoft msdos graphics file mar uvesa zip host compute ncsu edu location mirrors wustl mirrors msdos graphics file mar uvesa zip host rigel acs oakland edu location pub msdos graphics file mar uvesa zip host usl edu location pub msdos video and graphics file mar uvesa zip host isfs kuis kyoto location mirrors simtel msdos graphics file mar uvesa zip file mar uvesa zip host ftp net location systems ibmpc msdos simtel graphics file mar uvesa zip lance norskog thinman netcom data not information not knowledge not wisdom
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comp.graphics	adobe photo shop type software for unix motif platforms article diablo diablo cboesel charles boesel writes article world std sci image processing comp graphics wdm world std wayne michael writes searching for quality image enhancement and manipulation package for unix motif platforms that comparable adobe photo shop for mac stuff deleted understand that adobe working making photoshop for sgi indigo that rumor and wouldn bet release illustrator for sgi real charles boesel diablo creative pro for and con cboesel diablo holonet net opposite progress work congress adobe seminar conference propaganda forum you want call couple months ago announced that display postscript included release sun solaris sun drop development newsprint and return for this adobe port illustrator and photoshop sun articles that appeared trade journals immediately haven heard peep hope works david farley university chicago library east street jrl dgf midway uchicago edu chicago illinois
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comp.graphics	for polygon convexifier can find code concave polygons and break into set convex polygons code algorithms this fact interested sources for code and algorithms that convert graphical objects into graphical objects that will render into image bezier curves splines splines circular arc segments splines polgons etc michael dillon internet mpdillon halcyon halcyon powerhouse fidonet armstrong voice canada bbs
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comp.graphics	easy translate jpeg code article rfsqbinnc shelley washington edu stusoft hardy washington edu stuart denman writes jpeg decompression code pretty language that can read and understand trouble understanding jpeg group code that ftp site can send good code will lot problem that process inherently complicated ijg code pretty good you and watched cycles revision getting good book subject that will explain algorithms specifically jpeg image compression standard pennebaker mitchell vnr isbn btw presume your comment good code wasn meant sound offensive david clunie dclunie pax tpa
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comp.graphics	ftp achive for usgs terrain data article columbia edu olasov columbia edu benjamin olasov writes article apr welchgate welch jhu edu danj welchgate welch jhu edu dan jacobson writes lot interesting stuff gopher deleted you never heard gopher don worry free and net write note you information started luck dan jacobson danj welchgate welch jhu edu heard lost intro posting that back you post general interest ben ben olasov olasov columbia edu this heavily edited modified version gopher faq intended give people starting gopher information client and jump into gopher space complete version can obtained described below once you gopher client point merlot welch jhu edu and gopher space dan jacobson danj welchgate welch jhu edu common questions and answers internet gopher client server protocol for making world wide information service implementations posted comp infosystems gopher comp answers and news answers two weeks recent version this faq can gopher anonymous ftp rtfm mit 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comp.graphics	lcd vga display trevorc netcom trevor netcom sandy santra writes mike mattone mike mik uky edu wrote had computer for months that long time that reasonable life cycle for lcd display months nothing wrong quite reasonable you had bought compaq toshiba you expected machine last longer wrong that moot point perhaps had epson portable backlit lcd since used daily and screen that fine problem and had arm screen sorta lose and you bend fairly harshly screen you wiggle round bit that perfect that months justin sullivan system administrator dialix services sydney modem justin sydney dialix perth
comp.graphics	hacker ethic article pandora sdsu edu add sciences sdsu edu james murray writes perhaphs bill gates and steve jobs result natural evolution successful hacker you make money jail lee feldenstein fade that uncle and likes computers computer hacker and will change long definition word computer continues change perhaps you write freely gpled unix for commonly computer platforms machines and become catalyst for major netwide project produces unix commercial counterparts comp linux for details you found legue for programming freedom fight restrictive litigation and software patenting practices thereby protecting creative freedom vital continuing progress field you start gnu project and produce and compiler for unix not mention valuable utilities hackers make significant contributions selling ideals for bill gates pawning grossly inferior software market for ten years hacker deserves name eradicated annals computer hackery for running linux countless packages paying dime hand problem purchasing motif good software long microsoft hasn fouled inept input cents worth flames will patiently jean jean liddle computer science illinois state university mail jliddle ilstu edu
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comp.graphics	jpeg image compression frequently asked questions archive name jpeg faq last modified this faq article discusses jpeg image compression suggestions for additions and clarifications since version april version supports bit viewing for windows versions dvpeg image alchemy for dos versions image archiver pmview for listing mgif for monochrome display ataris this article includes sections jpeg use jpeg use jpeg and stick gif jpeg compress images good quality settings for jpeg can jpeg software canned software viewers etc source code this hoopla color quantization jpeg work lossless jpeg argument file formats recognize file format and arithmetic coding loss accumulate repeated compression decompression rules thumb for converting gif images jpeg sections basic info that jpeg user sections advanced info for curious this article posted weeks you can find latest version news answers archive rtfm mit edu ftp fetch pub usenet news answers jpeg faq you don ftp send mail mail server rtfm mit edu body send usenet news answers jpeg faq faq articles stored this archive for instructions use archive send mail address words and index quotes separate lines you don reply server misreading your return address add line such path myname mysite your correct mail address reply jpeg jpeg pronounced jay peg standardized image compression mechanism jpeg stands for joint photographic experts group original name committee that wrote standard jpeg designed for compressing full color gray scale digital images natural real world scenes not work realistic images such cartoons line drawings jpeg not handle black and white bit per pixel images handle motion picture compression standards for compressing types images worked committees named jbig and mpeg jpeg lossy meaning that image you decompression isn quite identical you originally put algorithm achieves compression exploiting limitations human eye notably fact that small color details aren perceived small details light and dark jpeg intended for compressing images that will looked humans you plan machine analyze your images small errors introduced jpeg problem for you even invisible eye property jpeg that degree lossiness can varied adjusting compression parameters this means that image maker can trade file size output image quality you can make extremely small files you don mind poor quality this for indexing image archives making thumbnail views icons etc etc conversely you aren happy output quality default compression setting you can jack quality you satisfied and accept lesser compression use jpeg two good reasons make your image files smaller and store bit per pixel color data bit per pixel data making image files smaller big win for transmitting files across networks and for archiving libraries images compress mbyte full color file kbytes makes big difference disk space and transmission time you comparing gif and jpeg size ratio details below your viewing software doesn support jpeg directly you convert jpeg format for viewing manipulating images even jpeg capable viewer takes longer decode and view jpeg image view image simpler format gif for instance jpeg essentially time space tradeoff you give time order store transmit image cheaply worth noting that network phone transmission involved time savings transferring shorter file can greater extra time decompress file you arithmetic reason jpeg will gradually replace gif standard usenet posting format that jpeg can store full color information bits pixel million colors fewer colors you bit display hardware this not advantage you couple years bit gif will obsolete black and white macpaint format today for reasons detailed section jpeg gif for exchanging images people widely varying color display hardware jpeg considerably gif for use usenet posting standard use jpeg and stick gif jpeg not displace gif for types images gif superior image quality file size things learn jpeg kinds images apply rule thumb jpeg superior gif for storing full color gray scale images realistic scenes that means scanned photographs and similar material jpeg superior even you don bit display hardware and lot superior you section for details gif significantly images distinct colors such cartoons and line drawings large areas pixels that exactly color compressed efficiently gif jpeg can squeeze files gif introducing visible defects this sort image gif form single color borders quite cheap gif files avoided jpeg files jpeg hard time sharp edges row pure black pixels adjacent row pure white pixels for example sharp edges tend come blurred you use high quality setting this sort thing not found scanned photographs shows fairly gif files borders overlaid text etc blurriness objectionable text that pixels high you gif lot small size overlaid text don jpeg computer drawn images ray traced scenes for instance fall scanned images and cartoons terms complexity complex and subtly rendered image likely that jpeg will for semi realistic artwork fantasy drawings and such plain black and white two level images never converted jpeg you gray levels jpeg for gray scale images noted that gif lossless for gray scale images levels jpeg not you existing library gif images you whether you convert jpeg you will lose image quality you section argues that jpeg image quality superior gif applies formats start full color original you start gif you irretrievably lost great deal information jpeg can make things worse disk space savings justify converting this decision you make for you convert gif library jpeg section for hints prepared leave images gif format since gifs will not convert jpeg compress images pretty darn sample file sizes for image handy full color image ship harbor files for comparison purposes rest created free jpeg software described section file size bytes comments ship ppm original file ppm format compression bits bytes per pixel bytes overhead ship ppm ppm file passed unix compress compress doesn accomplish lot you note text oriented compressors give similar results ship gif converted gif ppmquant ppmtogif savings result losing color info gif saves bits pixel not sec ship jpg cjpeg highest quality setting this indistinguishable bit original nonprofessional eyeballs ship jpg cjpeg default setting you mighty darn close distinguish this original even screen once ship jpg cjpeg this slight defects you for you jpeged original good image quality recent postings usenet pictures groups ship jpg cjpeg jpeg characteristic blockiness becomes apparent this setting djpeg blocksmooth helps plenty usenet postings that poorer image quality this ship jpg cjpeg optimize optimize cuts table overhead blocky perfectly satisfactory for preview indexing purposes note that this file tiny compression ratio original this case jpeg can make file that factor smaller gif comparable quality file bit good gif you full color display this typical ratio for real world scenes good quality settings for jpeg jpeg compressors you pick file size image quality tradeoff selecting quality setting widespread confusion meaning settings quality not mean information claimed quality scale purely arbitrary not percentage name game jpeg pick lowest quality setting smallest file size that decompresses into image indistinguishable original this setting will vary image another and observer another rules thumb default quality setting choice this setting lowest you can expecting defects typical image you defects for experimental purposes never will produce file two times large quality image perfect quality begin you objectionable degradation hand you higher quality setting avoid degradation second case apply time converting gifs jpeg default for compressing bit images for converting gifs section for info you want small file for preview indexing purposes and prepared tolerate large defects setting range amusing art note quality settings discussed this article apply free jpeg software described section and programs based jpeg implementations such image alchemy use completely quality scale programs don even provide numeric scale high medium low style choices can jpeg software programs described this section ftp you don use ftp faq article find sources you don direct access ftp read ftpmail servers article that article appears regularly news answers you can sending mail mail server rtfm mit edu send usenet news answers finding sources body anonymous ftp list faq helpful usenet news answers ftp list faq news answers archive note this list constantly you copy couple months latest jpeg faq news answers archive you for canned software viewers etc part this list system specific programs that run kind system you don you want for your machine check portable jpeg software described end list note that this list concentrates free and shareware programs that you can obtain internet commercial programs listed windows shareware excellent viewer for jpeg gif and image formats can format conversion and simple image manipulations for ftp export lcs mit edu file contrib tar version major upgrade support for bit displays and improvements brand and bugs lurking you prefer not bleeding edge stick version export note that version not good choice you bit display you bit color for converting bit images jpeg works fine for converting gif and bit images jpeg caution glitch version check save normal size checkbox saving jpeg file file will blurry another good choice for windows john cristy free imagemagick package export lcs mit edu file contrib imagemagick tar this package handles image processing and conversion tasks imagemagick viewer handles bit displays correctly for colormapped displays slower color quantization basic free jpeg software large complex packages you want simple image viewer xloadimage xli xloadimage supports jpeg latest release xloadimage free and export lcs mit edu file contrib xloadimage tar xli variant version xloadimage fans somewhat faster and robust original current xli faster and robust current xloadimage respect jpeg files ijg decoder xloadimage hacked xloadimage release will fix this xli free and export lcs mit edu file contrib xli tar programs thing bit displays dos this covers plain dos for windows programs headings good choice eric praetzel free dvpeg views jpeg and gif files current version ftp sunee uwaterloo file pub jpeg viewers dvpeg zip this good basic viewer that works machines user interface not flashy functional another freeware jpeg gif tga viewer mohammad rezaei hiview current version simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics zip hiview requires cpu and vcpi compatible memory manager qemm and max work windows and not hiview fastest viewer for images that bigger your screen for larger images scales image fit screen panning scrolling viewers you not prefer this approach denying that slows loading large images considerably note installation bit tricky read directions carefully shareware alternative colorview for dos this easier install two freeware alternatives user interface spiffier personally find harder use keystrokes inconsistent behavior faster dvpeg slower hiview hardware for images larger screen size dvpeg and colorview speed and faster hiview current version simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics dcview zip requires vesa graphics driver you don vesadrv zip vesa tsr zip directory recent pcs built vesa driver don load vesa driver colorview complains that driver missing second shareware alternative fullview kicking net for don stable archive location for current version inferior viewers author tells that version fullview will shortly and will submitted simtel archives that time gif viewer compushow cshow supports jpeg latest revision cshow jpeg implementation isn good slow half speed viewers and image quality poor color displays bad nice good jpeg capability cshow shareware simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos gif cshw zip due remarkable variety graphics hardware viewers not work your machine you can work you use conversion programs convert jpeg gif view your favorite gif viewer you color hardware don use gif intermediate format find targa capable viewer vpic reputed thing color displays independent jpeg group free jpeg converters ftpable simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics jpeg zip jpeg zip you and extended memory files dos compilations free source code described section will convert jpeg and gif targa and ppm formats handmade software offers free jpeg gif conversion tools gif jpg jpg gif slow and limited conversion and gif format you can bit color output jpeg major advantage tools that will read and write hsi proprietary jpeg format usenet standard jfif format since hsi format files widespread bbses this capability version tools free prior versions shareware simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics gif jpg zip note not use hsi format for files posted internet since not readable platforms handmade software shareware image conversion and manipulation package image alchemy this will translate jpeg files jfif and hsi formats and image formats can display images demo version image alchemy version simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics alch zip note simtel internet key archive site for related programs simtel full name wsmr simtel army mil simtel runs unix system weird directory names this document refers directory msdos graphics simtel that means msdos graphics you not physically milnet you expect slow ftp transfer rates simtel internet sites that maintain copies mirrors simtel archives ftp users mirror sites popular usa mirror site oak oakland edu simtel files pub msdos graphics you ftp capability you can retrieve files simtel mail informational postings comp archives msdos announce find you usa consult newsgroup learn your nearest simtel mirror microsoft windows windows programs capable displaying jpeg images windows viewers generally slower dos viewers hardware due windows system overhead note that you can run dos conversion programs described inside windows dos window newest entry winecj free and extremely fast version ftp rahul net file pub bryanw jpeg wecj zip requires windows and colors mode this frills viewer bad habit hogging machine completely decodes and image quality noticeably worse viewers fast you use for previewing jview freeware fairly fast good line and can write decompressed image windows bmp format can create jpeg files and doesn view gifs jview lacks features shareware viewers such brightness adjustment excellent basic viewer current version ftp cica indiana edu file pub win desktop jview zip mirrors this archive can found internet sites including wuarchive wustl edu winjpeg shareware displays jpeg gif targa tiff and bmp image files can write formats can used converter nifty features including color balance adjustment and slideshow current version simtel and mirror sites note file msdos windows winjp zip this slow compatible version you register you version roughly faster colorview another shareware entry this early and promising contender not updated time and this point real advantages winjpeg you want current version ftp cica indiana edu file pub win desktop cview zip understand that version will appearing once authors finished colorview for dos dvpeg dos heading works windows full screen mode not window files hobbes nmsu edu note check pub uploads for recent versions hobbes moderator not fast moving uploads into permanent directories pub graphics jpegv zip bit version free ijg conversion programs version pub graphics jpeg zip bit version for pub graphics imgarc zip image archiver image conversion viewing graphical interface strong conversion functions viewing bit weaker shareware pub graphics pmjpeg zip pmjpeg port winjpeg popular viewer for windows description windows section shareware pub graphics pmview zip pmview jpeg gif bmp viewer gif viewing fast jpeg viewing fast you huge amounts ram speed programs strong bit display support shareware macintosh mac jpeg programs rely apple jpeg implementation part quicktime system extension you quicktime installed use quicktime you cpu and you running system you running system you install bit quickdraw extension this built system you can quicktime ftp ftp apple file dts mac quicktime quicktime hqx this file contains quicktime ways respect jpeg marginally faster and considerably prone crash fed corrupt jpeg file applications compatibility problems mac users mind that quicktime jpeg format pict jpeg not usenet standard jfif jpeg format section for details you post images usenet make jfif format programs mentioned below can generate format choice jpegview free program for viewing images that jfif format pict jpeg format gif format can convert two jpeg formats current version big improvement prior versions sumex aim stanford edu file info mac app jpeg view hqx requires system and quicktime bit displays jpegview produces color image quality mac jpeg viewers jpegview can view large images memory mac viewers fact that can deal jpeg images pixels typical mac large image jpegview automatically scales fit screen presenting scroll bars viewers you can zoom desired portion people this behavior don jpegview user interface thought gifconverter shareware image viewer converter supports jfif and pict jpeg gif and image formats latest version sumex aim stanford edu file info mac art gif gif converter hqx requires system gifconverter not jpegview plain jpeg gif viewer extensive image manipulation and format conversion capabilities you find worth shareware fee you lot playing images newest version gifconverter can load and save jfif images quicktime your bet your machine run quicktime faster quicktime note gifconverter runs memory load large jpeg converting file gif jpeg convert viewing gif version jpeg convert mac version free ijg jpeg conversion utilities sumex aim stanford edu file info mac app jpeg convert hqx this will run mac file conversion not viewing you can use conjunction gif viewer previous versions this faq recommended imagery jpeg jpeg gif converter based version ijg code you this program you replace jpeg convert apple free program pictpixie can view images jfif quicktime jpeg and gif format and can convert formats you can pictpixie ftp apple file dts mac quicktime stuff pictpixie hqx requires quicktime pictpixie intended developer tool and not choice you fool quicktime drawbacks that requires lots memory produces relatively poor color image quality bit display and relatively unfriendly user interface worse pictpixie unsupported program meaning minor bugs that apple not intend fix version pictpixie called pictcompressor floating net you this you trash even buggier quicktime starter kit includes cleaned descendant pictpixie called picture compressor note that picture compressor not free and not distributed net storm technology picture decompress free jpeg viewer converter this program inferior programs ways will run system quicktime you forced use older systems bit quickdraw machines can use you can sumex aim stanford edu file info mac app picture decompress hqx you set file type downloaded image file jpeg picture decompress open your machine run bit quickdraw mac for instance gifconverter your choice for single program jpeg viewing you don want pay for gifconverter use jpeg convert and free gif viewer and commercial mac applications supporting jpeg not can deal usenet standard jfif format adobe photoshop version can read and write jfif format jpeg files use jpeg plug acquire menu you set file type downloaded jpeg file jpeg photoshop recognize amiga programs listed this section stored aminet archive amiga physik unizh mirror sites this archive and you use closest usa good choice wuarchive wustl edu mirrors amiga physik unizh hamlab excellent jpeg viewer converter general image manipulation tool cheap shareware and can read formats jpeg current version demo version amiga physik unizh and mirror sites file amiga gfx edit hamlab lha demo version will crop images larger fully functional rend shareware image renderer that can display jpeg ilbm and gif images program can used create animations even capturing frames fly rendering packages lightwave current version amiga physik unizh and mirror sites file amiga gfx rend lha note this directory supposedly for amigados programs program will run amigados viewtek free jpeg ilbm gif anim viewer current version amiga physik unizh and mirror sites file amiga gfx show viewtek lha you willing spend real money commercial packages that support jpeg two written thomas krehbiel author rend and viewtek cinemorph standalone image morphing package and imagefx impressive bit image capture conversion editing painting effects and prepress package that includes cinemorph distributed great valley products art department professional adpro asdg inc widely used commercial image manipulation software for amigas imagemaster black belt systems another regarded commercial graphics package jpeg support free ijg jpeg software compiled for amigas amiga physik unizh and mirror sites directory amiga gfx conv file amigajpegv lha programs convert jpeg ppm gif targa formats amiga world heavily infested quick and dirty jpeg programs based ancient beta test version free ijg jpeg software magazine that published disk month notifying authors augjpeg newamyjpeg vjpeg and not even heard opinion older ijg version march not worth disk space stored you such program trash and newer atari free ijg jpeg software compiled for atari etc atari archive umich edu file atari graphics jpeg bin zoo programs convert jpeg ppm gif targa formats for monochrome monitors mgif manages achieve level grayscale effect flickering version reads jpeg files atari archive umich edu file atari graphics mgif zoo not heard free shareware jpeg capable viewers for ataris surely pointers appreciated acorn archimedes changefsi supplied risc version can convert and view jpeg jfif format provision made convert images jpeg this cli double clicking recent versions since shareware program translator can handle jpeg image formats older versions can found archimedes bboards current version registering author john kortink nutterbrink enschede netherlands price dutch guilders pounds commercial product called jpeg jpeg read write functionality and direct jpeg viewing host image format conversion and processing options this expensive not necessarily programs contact software freepost cambridge tel portable software for almost system fits your situation you can obtain and compile free jpeg conversion software described you viewer program your display bits gif viewer will fine you display color capability find viewer that can read targa ppm bit image files numerous commercial jpeg offerings popping day recommend that you not spend money you find free shareware software vastly slow that case purchase hardware assisted product pointed questions whether product complies final jpeg standard and whether can handle jfif file format earliest commercial releases not and never will compatible files you for source code work free portable code for jpeg compression independent jpeg group lead package containing source code documentation and small test files places official archive site for this source code ftp net directory graphics jpeg current release jpegsrc tar this compressed tar file don forget retrieve binary mode you can retrieve this file ftp you and don cope tar format you prefer zip format you can find simtel and mirror sites note file msdos graphics jpegsrc zip this file will compuserve graphsupport forum pics library jpsrc zip you ftp access you can retrieve source your nearest comp sources misc archive version appeared issues volume you don retrieve comp sources misc postings faq article find sources referred top section free jpeg code conversion jpeg jfif format and image files gif pbmplus ppm pgm utah rle and truevision targa file formats core compression and decompression modules can easily reused programs such image viewers package highly portable tested machines ranging pcs crays released this software for noncommercial and commercial use companies use basis for jpeg related products not royalty for acknowledgement product literature readme file distribution for details hope make this software industrial quality that free offer warranty and accept liability independent jpeg group volunteer organization you contribute improving software you join this hoopla color quantization people don full color bit per pixel display hardware typical display hardware stores fewer bits per pixel can display fewer distinct colors time display full color image computer map image into set representative colors this process called color quantization this misnomer color selection term stuck standard usage color quantization lossy process turns that for images details color quantization algorithm impact final image quality errors introduced jpeg lowest jpeg quality settings since jpeg full color format converting color jpeg image for display bit hardware requires color quantization this true for color jpegs even you feed color gif into jpeg comes decompressor not colors thousands colors this happens jpeg lossiness affects each pixel differently two pixels that started identical colors will come slightly colors each original color gets smeared into group nearby colors quantization required display color jpeg colormapped display image source avoid quantization for gray scale output incidentally this effect meaningless talk number colors used jpeg image even you attempted count number distinct pixel values jpeg decoders give you results roundoff error differences occasionally posted images described color jpeg this tells that poster hasn read this faq and converted jpeg gif jpegs can classified color gray scale photographs number colors isn concept for jpeg hand gif image definition quantized fewer colors gif definite number colors palette and format doesn palette entries for purposes usenet picture distribution gif advantage that sender precomputes color quantization recipients don this disadvantage gif you stuck sender quantization sender quantized number colors you can display you quantize resulting poorer image quality you had quantized once full color image sender didn use high quality color quantization algorithm you luck for this reason jpeg offers promise significantly image quality for users machines don match sender display hardware jpeg full color image can quantized precisely match user display hardware you will advantage future improvements quantization algorithms lot active research this area purchase display hardware view jpeg images you gif you stuck forevermore worth mentioning that gif viewing programs include shoddy quantization routines you view color gif color ega display for example you getting worse image you this partly inevitable consequence two color quantizations create gif display due sloppiness jpeg conversion programs will forced use high quality quantizers order acceptable results and normal use will quantize directly number colors displayed jpeg likely provide results average gif program for low color resolution displays high resolution finally growing number people bit display hardware bit color displays true bit displays workstations and macintoshes etc for people gif obsolete cannot represent image full capabilities display jpeg images can drive displays effectively jpeg choice gif for representing images machine independent fashion jpeg work buzz words chrominance subsampling discrete cosine transforms coefficient quantization and huffman arithmetic entropy coding this article long not that for technical information comp compression faq this news answers archive rtfm mit edu files pub usenet news answers compression faq part you news answers archive top this article lossless jpeg great deal confusion this subject jpeg committee define lossless compression algorithm that guarantees final output bit for bit identical original input this lossless mode almost nothing common regular lossy jpeg algorithm and offers compression present implementations lossless jpeg exist and commercial free jpeg software not you lossless image rid deliberate information loss coefficient quantization step good deal information loss color subsampling step free jpeg code you can sample turn subsampling mind that commercial jpeg implementations cannot cope resulting file even quantization and subsampling turned regular jpeg algorithm not lossless subject roundoff errors calculations maximum error counts pixel highly that this perceived human eye concern you machine processing image this minimum loss setting regular jpeg produces files that perhaps half size uncompressed bit per pixel image true lossless jpeg roughly amount compression guarantees bit for bit accuracy you application requiring lossless storage images bits per pixel per color component you want into jbig bilevel image compression standard this performs jpeg lossless such images jpeg lossless superior jbig images bits per pixel jpeg public domain huffman back end jbig techniques heavily covered patents argument file formats strictly speaking jpeg refers family compression algorithms not refer specific image file format jpeg committee prevented defining file format turf wars international standards organizations since can exchange images agree common file format this leaves problem absence official standards number jpeg program writers thing and result programs aren compatible closest thing facto standard jpeg format work that coordinated people cube microsystems defined two jpeg based file formats jfif jpeg file interchange format low end format that transports pixels and not tiff jpeg aka tiff extension aldus tiff format tiff high end format that will you record you wanted image and lot tiff lot complex jfif and prove transportable vendors historically implemented slightly and incompatible subsets tiff not likely that adding jpeg mix will improve this situation formats developed input major vendors jpeg related products likely that future commercial products will adhere standards that usenet adopt jfif replacement for gif picture postings jfif simpler tiff and tiff spec recently officially adopted and unusably vague crucial details even tiff jpeg defined jfif format likely widely supported lowest common denominator tiff jpeg files never transportable case that people interested apple quicktime software for macintosh quicktime jfif compatible format wrapped inside mac specific pict structure conversion jfif and quicktime jpeg pretty straightforward and mac programs mac portion section you editor that handles binary files you can strip quicktime jpeg pict jfif hand section for details another case handmade software programs gif jpg jpg gif and image alchemy programs capable reading and writing jfif format default write proprietary format developed hsi this format not readable hsi programs and not used for usenet postings use switch jfif output this applies versions programs current releases emit jfif format default you careful not post hsi format files you want flamed people platforms recognize file format and you alleged jpeg file that your software won read likely hsi format proprietary jpeg based format you can you inspecting bytes file jfif standard file will start characters hex two variable bytes hex jfif you start not rest you raw jpeg file this decodable jfif software worth hsi files start hsi you luck you hsi software portions file plain jpeg data won decompress properly hsi programs macintosh pict file jpeg compressed will couple hundred bytes header jfif header scan for jfif strip and you read proprietary format not jpeg you lucky file consist header and raw jpeg data stream you can identify start jpeg data stream for stripping that uuencoded usenet postings characteristic jfif pattern begin line uuencoded hsi files will start begin line you learn check for you can save trouble downloading jfif files arithmetic coding jpeg spec defines two back end modules for final output compressed data huffman coding arithmetic coding allowed choice impact image quality arithmetic coding produces smaller compressed file typical images arithmetic coding produces file percent smaller huffman coding file size numbers previously cited for huffman coding variant arithmetic coding jpeg standard subject patents owned ibm and mitsubishi you cannot legally use arithmetic coding you obtain licenses companies fair use doctrine people implement and test algorithm storing images dubious short run recommend that people not worry arithmetic coding space savings isn great justify potential legal hassles arithmetic coding not used for images exchanged usenet small chance that legal situation change future stay tuned for details loss accumulate repeated compression decompression nice compressed image jpeg you decompress manipulate crop border and recompress image degradation you lost initially this not case general recompressing altered image loses information not lost time thing that you decompress image and recompress changing loss you identical jpeg file even this not true not current free jpeg software essentially problem accumulation roundoff error you repeatedly compress and decompress image will eventually degrade you can visible generation output takes such cycles visible change things list accumulation error can avoided limited not optimistic case that possibly guaranteed that compressing unmodified full color output djpeg original quality setting introduce loss even such simple cropping border roundoff error degradation you wondering pixel block boundaries move you cropped multiples pixels you safe that mighty limited capability bottom line that jpeg format for archival storage and transmission images you don want use intermediate format for sequences image manipulation steps use lossless format ppm rle tiff etc working image jpeg you ready file avoiding degradation you will save lot compression decompression time this rules thumb for converting gif images jpeg stated earlier you will lose amount image information you convert existing gif image jpeg you can obtain original full color data gif made make jpeg that you save space and gif work suggestions for getting maximum space savings minimum loss quality rule converting gif library each jpeg make you happy throwing gif that will give you chance conversion higher quality setting gifs left gifs explained section cartoon type gifs sixteen fewer colors don convert you find that jpeg file reasonable quality will larger gif check sizes experience date suggests that large high visual quality gifs candidates for conversion jpeg chew storage offer potential savings and convert jpeg degradation don waste your time converting gif kbytes don expect jpeg files converted gifs small created directly full color originals maintain image quality you converted files twice big straight jpeg files shoot for size gif file not suggested earlier comparisons people developed odd habit putting large constant color border gif image useless this free terms storage cost gif files not free jpeg files and sharp border boundary can create visible artifacts ghost edges favor and crop border jpeging you windows system manual and automatic cropping functions painless this cjpeg default setting for full color input for gif inputs settings avoid image degradation you apply smoothing suggested below higher setting not color gifs photographs complex artwork dithered fool your eye into colors that gif can store you enlarge image you will that adjacent pixels significantly colors normal size eye averages pixels together produce illusion intermediate color trouble dithering that jpeg high spatial frequency color noise and jpeg can compress noise resulting jpeg file larger and lower image quality you jpeging original full color image you had this you want smooth gif image compression smoothing averages together nearby pixels approximating color that you thought you and process getting rid rapid color that give jpeg trouble use smoothing will you avoid high factor reducing size compressed file obtaining output image you smoothing free jpeg software products based simple smoothing capability built smooth converting gifs values work for high quality gifs heavy handed dithering require larger smoothing factors you can regular fine scale patterns gif image even enlargement strong smoothing called for large smoothing factor will blur output image you don want you image processing wizard you can smoothing separate filtering program such pnmconvol pbmplus package cjpeg built smoother lot faster pnmconvol upshot this that cjpeg quality smooth good starting point for converting gifs you care image you want check results and settings for information jpeg general free jpeg software contact independent jpeg group jpeg info uunet net tom lane organizer independent 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comp.graphics	adobe photo shop type software for unix motif platforms appsoft image for nextstep image processing program similar adobe photoshop reviewed april issue publish magazine richardt
comp.graphics	adobe photo shop type software for unix motif platforms charles boesel writes article world std sci image processing comp graphics wdm world std wayne michael writes searching for quality image enhancement and manipulation package for unix motif platforms that comparable adobe photo shop for mac stuff deleted understand that adobe working making photoshop for sgi indigo that rumor and wouldn bet release illustrator for sgi real illustrator for sgi shipping product adobe and sgi announced that photoshop ported sgi machines simillar announcement made adobe and sun for sun platforms dates announced knowledge zalman stern zalman adobe adobe systems charleston pob mountain view couple joyful pervo goats akbar jeff
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comp.graphics	hacker ethic main reason that good hacker days young gates and jobs world computer not widespread phenomenom increased popularity come plethora mundane business required practical minded and narrower focused programmers hacker you can good job programming databases programs for accountants basically yuppies caught and disciplined hackers and molded image carl christensen dept computer science christen astro ocis temple edu temple university curiouser and curiouser philadelphia usa
comp.graphics	wanted rendering lib for decent quality library routines for performing graphics modelling ideally routines embeded application program requirements list flat surface modelling simple phong shading optional ability plot hidden line drawings texture mapping procedural and bit map modeling light sources local distant and spot lights ray tracing radiosity optional comments appreciated john chinnick jchinnic mach wlu phone john chinnick jchinnic mach wlu
comp.graphics	vesa driver for xga heard that vesa driver for xga card compuserve this card and wondering this driver ftp site anywhere news service beeen erratic mail walsh stolaf edu advance
comp.graphics	world screen transfomation matrix creating perspective matrix use this for transforming texture mapping code graphics gems books talk this simple plain english you graphics gems talking page perspective matrix that handles field views and aspect for your personal opinion robert kyanko rob rjck oau org rob rjck
comp.graphics	access bus access bus software creator contest intro access bus access bus software creator contest announcement access bus access bus open industry standard for computer peripheral connectivity access bus serial protocol that simple low cost technology link multiple devices single port peripheral devices such keyboards keypads locators mice trackballs joysticks printers gloves digitizers sensors actuators data transmitters and can easily daisy chained host applications such cad cam data acquisition simulation virtual reality multiple player single games education and can advantage access bus technology that puts plug and play access bus offers advantages end users and developers systems and peripherals multiple devices connect host computer port common communication methods for number device types lead simplified hardware and software development open standard access bus enables cross platform use device access bus technological description access bus technology open specification enabling implement host systems peripheral devices fee royalty access bus bus topology architecture that single host can accommodate peripheral devices access bus data rate kbits sec access bus physical layer access bus serial bus architecture based hardware protocol data line and clock line standard low cost microcontrollers handle bit level handshaking including automatic arbitration and clock synchronization access bus software protocols access bus communication protocol composed levels protocol base protocol and application protocol protocol this simple and efficient protocol defines arbitration contending masters losing data for cooperative synchronization bus partners clock rates bus transactions include addressing framing bits into bytes and byte acknowledgment receiver base protocol establishes asymmetrical interconnect host computer and multiple peripherals host becomes access bus manager base protocol defines format access bus message envelope bus transaction additional semantics including checksum unique features base protocol auto addressing and hot plugging auto addressing assigns devices unique bus addresses for setting jumpers switches hot plugging ability attach and detach devices system running rebooting application protocol this highest level access bus protocol defines message semantics specific types devices each type requires application protocol broad device types identified keyboards locators and text devices access bus support levels access bus protocol supported add card implements physical layer and base protocol communicate physical access bus devices access bus manager tsr dos and dll windows controls operation physical layer and interacts access bus device drivers drivers for multiple access bus keyboards locators and printers for dos and windows language source code examples interface applications device drivers contact abig access bus industry group postal address altair suite sunnyvale internet email abig netcom fax voice
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comp.graphics	anti aliasing raytracing question article slb lbu mserv coulter daresbury writes woundering answer simple query for raytracing and anti aliasing stuff deleted similiar question relating anti alaising that friend asked posted knowledgable this group this faq anti alaising methods persistance vision polyray use you advance you can email reply flame faq dwa
comp.graphics	algorithm decide whether point inside space defined planes hey for algorithm decide whether point inside space defined points space defined points mean space defined closed meshes defined points this this simple example sides parallel problem sides can parallel and opposite sides not size etc mail your informations for your great efforts oliver name kretzschmar inst ike university stuttgart phone pfaffenwaldring fax stuttgart email wnkretz ikesg energietechnik uni stuttgart
comp.graphics	world screen transfomation matrix article vnmv rjck rob rjck robert kyanko writes creating perspective matrix use this for transforming texture mapping code graphics gems books talk this simple plain english you graphics gems talking page perspective matrix that handles field views and aspect for your cos alpha horizontal sin alpha cos beta vertical sin beta clipping clipping matrix geir atle storhaug geir storhaug ffi phone office home
comp.graphics	graphics library for and sun for source code developed silicon graphics sgi compile sun and supporting and sun respond respond source code you chandra sbi jon sbi
comp.graphics	svga hicolor johan conroy jconroy babel wrote question svga cards tseng svga memory and bit dacs display can display bit pixel bit maps this card you can your hardware capable supporting this mode nothing your video bios silly fool proof install windows colors wideo driver and display your pictures windows cheese serge
comp.graphics	images can point information stereoscopic images show room texas lone star illusions and amazing heard that created simple graphic program images digitized want find can brian ccnext ucsf edu reply this address
comp.graphics	compositing pictures wondering graphics package for that will compositing series pictures mean compositing live video clip digitized panning living room and computer generated bird flying screen want combine two series pictures that bird frames black want living room picture show realize can this genlock and genlock want manual compositing composite frame time assumed that composite series frames even looked and haven found package that will perform this
comp.graphics	compositing pictures article torreypinesca ncr chu torreypinesca ncr patrick chu writes wondering graphics package for that will compositing series pictures mean compositing live video clip digitized panning living room and computer generated bird flying screen want combine two series pictures that bird frames black want living room picture show realize can this genlock and genlock want manual compositing composite frame time assumed that composite series frames even looked and haven found package that will perform this you can live animation and computer generated animation into autodesk animator fli flc format autodesk animator will this for you can animation make color clear and overlay another animation not convert avi mpg files animator files animator will import series gif files create animation your video capture stuff can create this work vance gloster gloster inference
comp.graphics	tga viewer for ati ultra subject line for tga file viewer for ati ultra card support true color modes find ftp oliver klimek
comp.graphics	gamma correction can talking add faq entry gamma correction mark
comp.graphics	hacker ethic dorsai dorsai org crawls dorsai dorsai org charles rawls writes hacker ethic alive and you speak and answer screw you make you feel amen learned example specifically can faith likewise dorsai leads unlike services that commercial nature dorsai community based service charge monthly fees for access dorsai accepts donations can afford contribute systems don respond user input dorsai thrives systems sell hardware for profit dorsai donates hardware community service groups and individuals couldn afford dorsai lives due hacker ethic charles jack skip cara ira mark david etc etc etc sleepless nights and days working equipment thats assembled embassy and modifying work time order slip line heres you bud that decided stay and damn glad that carlos dominguez sys admin owner kibbitzer ooo ooo root carlos uupsi jpradley carlos carlos helldiver carlos carlos jpr guaranteed address
comp.graphics	vga graphics library article mwca bill mwca bill sheppard writes high end graphics cards come source code for basic graphics sorts things change colors draw points lines polygons fills etc such library exist for generic vga graphics cards chips hopefully public domain this for purpose compiling dos operating system running standard check server code for xfree daniel ortmann talmidim ndsu electrical engineering ortmann plains nodak edu shalom fargo north dakota
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comp.graphics	pov animating attempt animation pov created two programs program that will perform morph two points amount frames for morph and will write points and function translate rotate etc file perl script that will read list functions and insert into pov file line had hoped this simple animation discovered that simply performing incremental rotations object will not spin stationary object will rotate object axis easy this translate object origin perform rotation and move back another this had thought perhaps had created objects origin and translated point and rotation this behavior this occurs objects that not translated appreciated ttknock bbs santafe edu
comp.graphics	gifs tek skimming gophers and bumped into nih database that included images gif format not worked kinks getting gopher client call viewer figure that majority users not environment dos and kermit kermit supporting tek emulation for graphics display package that tek display gif image use local population plug this sort picture command xview xloadimage andrew brennan hal hahnemann edu
comp.graphics	products handle hdtv moving pircture sec kazsato twics writes system cpu array framebuffer can play and record hdtv quality moving picture realtime hdtv frame recording playing moving picture will sec bandwidth thinking treat raw data not compressed finding disk array that can sec will difficult fastest maximum strategy ibm sells can attach hippi sec bit for kinds data rates you scsi for connections latest model raid model gen sec this limitation hippi channel and that customer not exceeded that speed since older model faster not idle working newer products that faster and small company you custom interfaces marketed older faster model mongths ago maximum strategy inc buckeye court milpitas sales maxstrat you want into compression will difficult hippi bus fully working times sustained throughput come close maximum burst rate interesting problem you can can advise kind product into mail will appriciate vendor mail address price products actual performance data products info will advance kaz sato tokyo japan mail kazsato twics dick wilmot editor independent raid report
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comp.graphics	gif dstudio simply mapping your logo cube sphere quite easy copy gif you want mapped into map directory add map path directory into materials editor and make material that bit map voila zippy cyberden cyberden public access waffle usenet system
comp.graphics	hacker ethic article vxcrna cern filipe vxcrna cern vinci writes blah blah talking hackers you wow proof for complete problem you guys eurpoe your stuff together base step deleted bad inductive step poor golfers bad carpenters bad surgeons not thieves your assertion that hacker thief unsupported your argument imho narrower view that hacker associated computing environment dishonest expert not widespread inductive hypothesis conclude that you call hacker and perceives you thief this person belongs small group that computer knowledge not wider and original meaning word can this and disregard nonetheless equate hacker thief giving substance humpty assertion even kind reverse fodder step finally true hacker not name for this title that bestowed befuddled sysadmins and users large sign great hacker introduced nahh thing two people exagerate filipe santos english not language plse forgetful mistakes mother you can nice that can kxh this signature file you
comp.graphics	pov tga slight problem pov raytracer not this correct group post not create tga files unix machine pov download display listed bad files create file displays fine unix tga incompatible easy solution this problem unix targa gif converter find this subject appreciated kevin
comp.graphics	tex texture map format avalon today and found texture maps tex and txc format never encountered not tex latex files you clue can convert reasonable brian
comp.graphics	gamma correction article meinnrc gap caltech edu madler cco caltech edu mark adler writes can talking add faq entry gamma correction regular questions gamma correction since great pains deal properly xli image loader program maintain explanation use answer questions this suitable for inclusion faq graeme gill note gamma correction and images author graeme gill graeme labtam date this gamma stuff nice that image image lot complications not bunch image formats gif jpeg tiff etc etc lot technical stuff that makes dealing images bit complicated gamma things you downloaded images bbs net you noticed image viewing programs that images dark and light this you this gamma correction lack gamma correction gamma correction needed nature crts cathode ray tubes monitors used for viewing images you sort real live scene and turn into computer image measuring amount light coming each point scene you created linear gamma corrected image this good thing ways you can manipulate image values image file light adding and multiplying will work real light real world you image file and turn each pixel into voltage and feed into crt you find that crt doesn give you amount light proportional voltage amount light coming phosphor screen depends voltage this light voltage crt gamma you dump your nice linear image crt image will dark fix this you gamma correct image you opposite crt will image that things cancel and you you want you this your image gamma corrected image image crt gamma for crts crt gamma and that complicated problem that not display programs gamma correction not sources images give you linear images video cameras video signals general this lot images gamma correction and you rarely you and display images program that gamma correction for you image gets corrected twice and light you display images program that doesn gamma correction will vaguely not perfect gamma correction not exactly for you crt fault this things display programs that don gamma correction properly another that image formats don standard gamma don recording gamma correction thing that not people understand gamma correction and create lot images varying gamma two file formats thing utah graphics toolkit rle format semi standard recording gamma image jfif file standard that jpeg compression specifies that image encoded gamma linear image not obeys rules image loaders for instance xli image utility you not gamma monitor you individual gamma values image you view image viewers another image program and utilities pbm toolkit provide ways changing gamma image you figure gamma correction allowing for undoing gamma correction image and gamma correction you suite your crt monitor note that doesn provide easy modifying gamma image you adjust and curves gamma coledit controls altering intensity hsv controls doesn thing fails account effect gamma and this give tint image can figure viewer gamma screen simplest that loading file chkgamma jpg provided xli distribution jfif jpeg format file containing two grayscale ramps ramps chosen linear human eye continuous tones and dithering your viewer thing and gamma corrects images two ramps symmetrical and point equally bright almost exactly half top bottom find this point helps you move screen and focus your eyes bit your viewer doesn gamma correction left hand ramp will long dark part and short white part and point equal brightness will center your viewer setting amount gamma correction for display equal brightness point center increase gamma and decrease below center will xli for instance you can adjust display gamma dispgamma flag and once you you can set display gamma environment variable your profile figure gamma image this tricky bit general rule that lot true color bit ppm jpg images gamma linear that gamma correction that majority pseudo color images bit images color maps gif etc gamma corrected degree your viewer gamma correction linear images will good and gamma corrected images will light your viewer doesn gamma correction linear images will dark and gamma corrected images will linear images sometimes not such good thing reason that high quality formats such video use gamma correction that makes use storage medium this human eye logarithmic response light and gamma correction similar compression characteristic this means images make use bits per color for instance used gamma correction implication that time you want image processing you convert bit image linear bits retain accuracy since popular software this and popular image formats can agree standard gamma correction factor difficult justify gamma corrected images popular level image formats can standardize gamma and image manipulation software takes care use extra precision dealing linearized internal data gamma corrected distribution images good thing told that kodak photocd format for instance standard gamma correction factor that enables highest quality bits used hold image
comp.graphics	rectangle and parallelogram hope can problem solution rectangle defined and and constant and parallelogram defined and constants and not parallel lines not equal area intersection general algorithm suitable for rectangles and parallelograms that can described equations moment cases and examine each seperately rectangle encloses parallelogram parallelogram encloses rectangle two corners parallelogram inside rectangle origin two corners parallelogram rectangle hope can advance dave nettleton mail nettleton durham can you replies mail
comp.graphics	pict epsf etc map italy article chunter umab bitnet chunter umab bitnet writes can graphic mac pict epsf tiff gif italy for picture map italy even map italy showing states provinces freehand for windows clip art collection corel draw clip art outline map italy jim powlesland internet powlesla acs ucalgary academic computing services voice university calgary message calgary alberta canada fax
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comp.graphics	animation for pcx gif files series images sun raster formats converted pcx formats can conversion gif software that animation for formats and record animation video tape you leong wai ming internet engp nusunix nus national university singapore bitnet engp nusvm nus
comp.graphics	information bmp files article gnbich med uovs gnbich med uovs charles herbst biofisika writes can information bmp file format mail directly gnbich med uovs will appreciated charles herbst for this come nothing looked ftp ncsa uiuc edu supposed lot image specs email preferred interest will post summary lise unit
comp.graphics	jpeg image compression frequently asked questions archive name jpeg faq last modified this faq article discusses jpeg image compression suggestions for additions and clarifications since version added info imageviewer for this article includes sections jpeg use jpeg use jpeg and stick gif jpeg compress images good quality settings for jpeg can jpeg software canned software viewers etc source code this hoopla color quantization jpeg work lossless jpeg argument file formats recognize file format and arithmetic coding loss accumulate repeated compression decompression rules thumb for converting gif images jpeg sections basic info that jpeg user sections advanced info for curious this article posted weeks you can find latest version news answers archive rtfm mit edu ftp fetch pub usenet news answers jpeg faq you don ftp send mail mail server rtfm mit edu body send usenet news answers jpeg faq faq articles stored this archive for instructions use archive send mail address words and index quotes separate lines you don reply server misreading your return address add line such path myname mysite your correct mail address reply jpeg jpeg pronounced jay peg standardized image compression mechanism jpeg stands for joint photographic experts group original name committee that wrote standard jpeg designed for compressing full color gray scale digital images natural real world scenes not work realistic images such cartoons line drawings jpeg not handle black and white bit per pixel images handle motion picture compression standards for compressing types images worked committees named jbig and mpeg jpeg lossy meaning that image you decompression isn quite identical you originally put algorithm achieves compression exploiting limitations human eye notably fact that small color details aren perceived small details light and dark jpeg intended for compressing images that will looked humans you plan machine analyze your images small errors introduced jpeg problem for you even invisible eye property jpeg that degree lossiness can varied adjusting compression parameters this means that image maker can trade file size output image quality you can make extremely small files you don mind poor quality this for indexing image archives making thumbnail views icons etc etc conversely you aren happy output quality default compression setting you can jack quality you satisfied and accept lesser compression use jpeg two good reasons make your image files smaller and store bit per pixel color data bit per pixel data making image files smaller big win for transmitting files across networks and for archiving libraries images compress mbyte full color file kbytes makes big difference disk space and transmission time you comparing gif and jpeg size ratio details below your viewing software doesn support jpeg directly you convert jpeg format for viewing manipulating images even jpeg capable viewer takes longer decode and view jpeg image view image simpler format gif for instance jpeg essentially time space tradeoff you give time order store transmit image cheaply worth noting that network phone transmission involved time savings transferring shorter file can greater extra time decompress file you arithmetic reason jpeg will gradually replace gif standard usenet posting format that jpeg can store full color information bits pixel million colors fewer colors you bit display hardware this not advantage you couple years bit gif will obsolete black and white macpaint format today for reasons detailed section jpeg gif for exchanging images people widely varying color display hardware jpeg considerably gif for use usenet posting standard use jpeg and stick gif jpeg not displace gif for types images gif superior image quality file size things learn jpeg kinds images apply rule thumb jpeg superior gif for storing full color gray scale images realistic scenes that means scanned photographs and similar material jpeg superior even you don bit display hardware and lot superior you section for details gif significantly images distinct colors such cartoons and line drawings large areas pixels that exactly color compressed efficiently gif jpeg can squeeze files gif introducing visible defects this sort image gif form single color borders quite cheap gif files avoided jpeg files jpeg hard time sharp edges row pure black pixels adjacent row pure white pixels for example sharp edges tend come blurred you use high quality setting this sort thing not found scanned photographs shows fairly gif files borders overlaid text etc blurriness objectionable text that pixels high you gif lot small size overlaid text don jpeg computer drawn images ray traced scenes for instance fall scanned images and cartoons terms complexity complex and subtly rendered image likely that jpeg will for semi realistic artwork fantasy drawings and such plain black and white two level images never converted jpeg you gray levels jpeg for gray scale images noted that gif lossless for gray scale images levels jpeg not you existing library gif images you whether you convert jpeg you will lose image quality you section argues that jpeg image quality superior gif applies formats start full color original you start gif you irretrievably lost great deal information jpeg can make things worse disk space savings justify converting this decision you make for you convert gif library jpeg section for hints prepared leave images gif format since gifs will not convert jpeg compress images pretty darn sample file sizes for image handy full color image ship harbor files for comparison purposes rest created free jpeg software described section file size bytes comments ship ppm original file ppm format compression bits bytes per pixel bytes overhead ship ppm ppm file passed unix compress compress doesn accomplish lot you note text oriented compressors give similar results ship gif converted gif ppmquant ppmtogif savings result losing color info gif saves bits pixel not sec ship jpg cjpeg highest quality setting this indistinguishable bit original nonprofessional eyeballs ship jpg cjpeg default setting you mighty darn close distinguish this original even screen once ship jpg cjpeg this slight defects you for you jpeged original good image quality recent postings usenet pictures groups ship jpg cjpeg jpeg characteristic blockiness becomes apparent this setting djpeg blocksmooth helps plenty usenet postings that poorer image quality this ship jpg cjpeg optimize optimize cuts table overhead blocky perfectly satisfactory for preview indexing purposes note that this file tiny compression ratio original this case jpeg can make file that factor smaller gif comparable quality file bit good gif you full color display this typical ratio for real world scenes good quality settings for jpeg jpeg compressors you pick file size image quality tradeoff selecting quality setting widespread confusion meaning settings quality not mean information claimed quality scale purely arbitrary not percentage name game jpeg pick lowest quality setting smallest file size that decompresses into image indistinguishable original this setting will vary image another and observer another rules thumb default quality setting choice this setting lowest you can expecting defects typical image you defects for experimental purposes never will produce file two times large quality image perfect quality begin you objectionable degradation hand you higher quality setting avoid degradation second case apply time converting gifs jpeg default for compressing bit images for converting gifs section for info you want small file for preview indexing purposes and prepared tolerate large defects setting range amusing art note quality settings discussed this article apply free jpeg software described section and programs based jpeg implementations such image alchemy use completely quality scale programs don even provide numeric scale high medium low style choices can jpeg software programs described this section ftp you don use ftp faq article find sources you don direct access ftp read ftpmail servers article that article appears regularly news answers you can sending mail mail server rtfm mit edu send usenet news answers finding sources body anonymous ftp list faq helpful usenet news answers ftp list faq news answers archive note this list constantly you copy couple months latest jpeg faq news answers archive you for canned software viewers etc part this list system specific programs that run kind system you don you want for your machine check portable jpeg software described end list note that this list concentrates free and shareware programs that you can obtain internet commercial programs listed windows shareware excellent viewer for jpeg gif and image formats can format conversion and simple image manipulations for ftp export lcs mit edu file contrib tar version major upgrade support for bit displays and improvements brand and bugs lurking you prefer not bleeding edge stick version export note that version not good choice you bit display you bit color for converting bit images jpeg works fine for converting gif and bit images jpeg caution glitch version check save normal size checkbox saving jpeg file file will blurry another good choice for windows john cristy free imagemagick package export lcs mit edu file contrib imagemagick tar this package handles image processing and conversion tasks imagemagick viewer handles bit displays correctly for colormapped displays slower color quantization basic free jpeg software large complex packages you want simple image viewer xloadimage xli xloadimage supports jpeg latest release xloadimage free and export lcs mit edu file contrib xloadimage tar xli variant version xloadimage fans somewhat faster and robust original current xli faster and robust current xloadimage respect jpeg files ijg decoder xloadimage hacked xloadimage release will fix this xli free and export lcs mit edu file contrib xli tar programs thing bit displays dos this covers plain dos for windows programs headings good choice eric praetzel free dvpeg views jpeg and gif files current version ftp sunee uwaterloo file pub jpeg viewers dvpeg zip this good basic viewer that works machines user interface not flashy functional another freeware jpeg gif tga viewer mohammad rezaei hiview current version simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics zip hiview requires cpu and vcpi compatible memory manager qemm and max work windows and not hiview fastest viewer for images that bigger your screen for larger images scales image fit screen panning scrolling viewers you not prefer this approach denying that slows loading large images considerably note installation bit tricky read directions carefully shareware alternative colorview for dos this easier install two freeware alternatives user interface spiffier personally find harder use keystrokes inconsistent behavior faster dvpeg slower hiview hardware for images larger screen size dvpeg and colorview speed and faster hiview current version simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics dcview zip requires vesa graphics driver you don vesadrv zip vesa tsr zip directory recent pcs built vesa driver don load vesa driver colorview complains that driver missing second shareware alternative fullview kicking net for don stable archive location for current version inferior viewers author tells that version fullview will shortly and will submitted simtel archives that time gif viewer compushow cshow supports jpeg latest revision cshow jpeg implementation isn good slow half speed viewers and image quality poor color displays bad nice good jpeg capability cshow shareware simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos gif cshw zip due remarkable variety graphics hardware viewers not work your machine you can work you use conversion programs convert jpeg gif view your favorite gif viewer you color hardware don use gif intermediate format find targa capable viewer vpic reputed thing color displays independent jpeg group free jpeg converters ftpable simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics jpeg zip jpeg zip you and extended memory files dos compilations free source code described section will convert jpeg and gif targa and ppm formats handmade software offers free jpeg gif conversion tools gif jpg jpg gif slow and limited conversion and gif format you can bit color output jpeg major advantage tools that will read and write hsi proprietary jpeg format usenet standard jfif format since hsi format files widespread bbses this capability version tools free prior versions shareware simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics gif jpg zip note not use hsi format for files posted internet since not readable platforms handmade software shareware image conversion and manipulation package image alchemy this will translate jpeg files jfif and hsi formats and image formats can display images demo version image alchemy version simtel and mirror sites note below file msdos graphics alch zip note simtel internet key archive site for related programs simtel full name wsmr simtel army mil simtel runs unix system weird directory names this document refers directory msdos graphics simtel that means msdos graphics you not physically milnet you expect slow ftp transfer rates simtel internet sites that maintain copies mirrors simtel archives ftp users mirror sites popular usa mirror site oak oakland edu simtel files pub msdos graphics you ftp capability you can retrieve files simtel mail informational postings comp archives msdos announce find you usa consult newsgroup learn your nearest simtel mirror microsoft windows windows programs capable displaying jpeg images windows viewers generally slower dos viewers hardware due windows system overhead note that you can run dos conversion programs described inside windows dos window newest entry winecj free and extremely fast version ftp rahul net file pub bryanw jpeg wecj zip requires windows and colors mode this frills viewer bad habit hogging machine completely decodes and image quality noticeably worse viewers fast you use for previewing jview freeware fairly fast good line and can write decompressed image windows bmp format can create jpeg files and doesn view gifs jview lacks features shareware viewers such brightness adjustment excellent basic viewer current version ftp cica indiana edu file pub win desktop jview zip mirrors this archive can found internet sites including wuarchive wustl edu winjpeg shareware displays jpeg gif targa tiff and bmp image files can write formats can used converter nifty features including color balance adjustment and slideshow current version simtel and mirror sites note file msdos windows winjp zip this slow compatible version you register you version roughly faster colorview another shareware entry this early and promising contender not updated time and this point real advantages winjpeg you want current version ftp cica indiana edu file pub win desktop cview zip understand that version will appearing once authors finished colorview for dos dvpeg dos heading works windows full screen mode not window files hobbes nmsu edu note check pub uploads for recent versions hobbes moderator not fast moving uploads into permanent directories pub graphics jpegv zip bit version free ijg conversion programs version pub graphics jpeg zip bit version for pub graphics imgarc zip image archiver image conversion viewing graphical interface strong conversion functions viewing bit weaker shareware pub graphics pmjpeg zip pmjpeg port winjpeg popular viewer for windows description windows section shareware pub graphics pmview zip pmview jpeg gif bmp targa pcx viewer gif viewing fast jpeg viewing roughly speed two programs image manipulation slideshow functions shareware macintosh mac jpeg programs rely apple jpeg implementation part quicktime system extension you quicktime installed use quicktime you cpu and you running system you running system you install bit quickdraw extension this built system you can quicktime ftp ftp apple file dts mac quicktime quicktime hqx this file contains quicktime ways respect jpeg marginally faster and considerably prone crash fed corrupt jpeg file applications compatibility problems mac users mind that quicktime jpeg format pict jpeg not usenet standard jfif jpeg format section for details you post images usenet make jfif format programs mentioned below can generate format choice jpegview free program for viewing images that jfif format pict jpeg format gif format can convert two jpeg formats current version big improvement prior versions sumex aim stanford edu file info mac app jpeg view hqx requires system and quicktime bit displays jpegview produces color image quality mac jpeg viewers jpegview can view large images memory mac viewers fact that can deal jpeg images pixels typical mac large image jpegview automatically scales fit screen presenting scroll bars viewers you can zoom desired portion people this behavior don jpegview user interface thought gifconverter shareware image viewer converter supports jfif and pict jpeg gif and image formats latest version sumex aim stanford edu file info mac art gif gif converter hqx requires system gifconverter not jpegview plain jpeg gif viewer extensive image manipulation and format conversion capabilities you find worth shareware fee you lot playing images newest version gifconverter can load and save jfif images quicktime your bet your machine run quicktime faster quicktime note gifconverter runs memory load large jpeg converting file gif jpeg convert viewing gif version jpeg convert mac version free ijg jpeg conversion utilities sumex aim stanford edu file info mac app jpeg convert hqx this will run mac file conversion not viewing you can use conjunction gif viewer previous versions this faq recommended imagery jpeg jpeg gif converter based version ijg code you this program you replace jpeg convert apple free program pictpixie can view images jfif quicktime jpeg and gif format and can convert formats you can pictpixie ftp apple file dts mac quicktime stuff pictpixie hqx requires quicktime pictpixie intended developer tool and not choice you fool quicktime drawbacks that requires lots memory produces relatively poor color image quality bit display and relatively unfriendly user interface worse pictpixie unsupported program meaning minor bugs that apple not intend fix version pictpixie called pictcompressor floating net you this you trash even buggier quicktime starter kit includes cleaned descendant pictpixie called picture compressor note that picture compressor not free and not distributed net storm technology picture decompress free jpeg viewer converter this program inferior programs ways will run system quicktime you forced use older systems bit quickdraw machines can use you can sumex aim stanford edu file info mac app picture decompress hqx you set file type downloaded image file jpeg picture decompress open your machine run bit quickdraw mac for instance gifconverter your choice for single program jpeg viewing you don want pay for gifconverter use jpeg convert and free gif viewer and commercial mac applications supporting jpeg not can deal usenet standard jfif format adobe photoshop version can read and write jfif format jpeg files use jpeg plug acquire menu you set file type downloaded jpeg file jpeg photoshop recognize amiga programs listed this section stored aminet archive amiga physik unizh mirror sites this archive and you use closest usa good choice wuarchive wustl edu mirrors amiga physik unizh hamlab excellent jpeg viewer converter general image manipulation tool cheap shareware and can read formats jpeg current version demo version amiga physik unizh and mirror sites file amiga gfx edit hamlab lha demo version will crop images larger fully functional rend shareware image renderer that can display jpeg ilbm and gif images program can used create 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current version registering author john kortink nutterbrink enschede netherlands price dutch guilders pounds commercial product called jpeg jpeg read write functionality and direct jpeg viewing host image format conversion and processing options this expensive not necessarily programs contact software freepost cambridge tel imageviewer utility that displays images and can format conversions current version reads jpeg not write imageviewer standard archives sonata purdue edu and orst edu pub organized hard point specific sub directories note that older version floating that not support jpeg portable software for almost system fits your situation you can obtain and compile free jpeg conversion software described you viewer program your display bits gif viewer will fine you display color capability find viewer that can read targa ppm bit image files numerous commercial jpeg offerings popping day recommend that you not spend money you find free shareware software vastly slow that case purchase hardware assisted product pointed questions whether product complies final jpeg standard and whether can handle jfif file format earliest commercial releases not and never will compatible files you for source code work free portable code for jpeg compression independent jpeg group lead package containing source code documentation and small test files places official archive site for this source code ftp net directory graphics jpeg current release jpegsrc tar this compressed tar file don forget retrieve binary mode you can retrieve this file ftp you and don cope tar format you prefer zip format you can find simtel and mirror sites note file msdos graphics jpegsrc zip this file will compuserve graphsupport forum pics library jpsrc zip you ftp access you can retrieve source your nearest comp sources misc archive version appeared issues volume you don retrieve comp sources misc postings faq article find sources referred top section free jpeg code conversion jpeg jfif format and image files gif pbmplus ppm pgm utah rle and truevision targa file formats core compression and decompression modules can easily reused programs such image viewers package highly portable tested machines ranging pcs crays released this software for noncommercial and commercial use companies use basis for jpeg related products not royalty for acknowledgement product literature readme file distribution for details hope make this software industrial quality that free offer warranty and accept liability independent jpeg group volunteer organization you contribute improving software you join this hoopla color quantization people don full color bit per pixel display hardware typical display hardware stores fewer bits per pixel can display fewer distinct colors time display full color image computer map image into set representative colors this process called color quantization this misnomer color selection term stuck standard usage color quantization lossy process turns that for images details color quantization algorithm impact final image quality errors introduced jpeg lowest jpeg quality settings since jpeg full color format converting color jpeg image for display bit hardware requires color quantization this true for color jpegs even you feed color gif into jpeg comes decompressor not colors thousands colors this happens jpeg lossiness affects each pixel differently two pixels that started identical colors will come slightly colors each original color gets smeared into group nearby colors quantization required display color jpeg colormapped display image source avoid quantization for gray scale output incidentally this effect meaningless talk number colors used jpeg image even you attempted count number distinct pixel values jpeg decoders give you results roundoff error differences occasionally posted images described color jpeg this tells that poster hasn read this faq and converted jpeg gif jpegs can classified color gray scale photographs number colors isn concept for jpeg hand gif image definition quantized fewer colors gif definite number colors palette and format doesn palette entries for purposes usenet picture distribution gif advantage that sender precomputes color quantization recipients don this disadvantage gif you stuck sender quantization sender quantized number colors you can display you quantize resulting poorer image quality you had quantized once full color image sender didn use high quality color quantization algorithm you luck for this reason jpeg offers promise significantly image quality for users machines don match sender display hardware jpeg full color image can quantized precisely match user display hardware you will advantage future improvements quantization algorithms lot active research this area purchase display hardware view jpeg images you gif you stuck forevermore worth mentioning that gif viewing programs include shoddy quantization routines you view color gif color ega display for example you getting worse image you this partly inevitable consequence two color quantizations create gif display due sloppiness jpeg conversion programs will forced use high quality quantizers order acceptable results and normal use will quantize directly number colors displayed jpeg likely provide results average gif program for low color resolution displays high resolution finally growing number people bit display hardware bit color displays true bit displays workstations and macintoshes etc for people gif obsolete cannot represent image full capabilities display jpeg images can drive displays effectively jpeg choice gif for representing images machine independent fashion jpeg work buzz words chrominance subsampling discrete cosine transforms coefficient quantization and huffman arithmetic entropy coding this article long not that for technical information comp compression faq this news answers archive rtfm mit edu files pub usenet news answers compression faq part you news answers archive top this article lossless jpeg great deal confusion this subject jpeg committee define lossless compression algorithm that guarantees final output bit for bit identical original input this lossless mode almost nothing common regular lossy jpeg algorithm and offers compression present implementations lossless jpeg exist and commercial free jpeg software not you lossless image rid deliberate information loss coefficient quantization step good deal information loss color subsampling step free jpeg code you can sample turn subsampling mind that commercial jpeg implementations cannot cope resulting file even quantization and subsampling turned regular jpeg algorithm not lossless subject roundoff errors calculations maximum error counts pixel highly that this perceived human eye concern you machine processing image this minimum loss setting regular jpeg produces files that perhaps half size uncompressed bit per pixel image true lossless jpeg roughly amount compression guarantees bit for bit accuracy you application requiring lossless storage images bits per pixel per color component you want into jbig bilevel image compression standard this performs jpeg lossless such images jpeg lossless superior jbig images bits per pixel jpeg public domain huffman back end jbig techniques heavily covered patents argument file formats strictly speaking jpeg refers family compression algorithms not refer specific image file format jpeg committee prevented defining file format turf wars international standards organizations since can exchange images agree common file format this leaves problem absence official standards number jpeg program writers thing and result programs aren compatible closest thing facto standard jpeg format work that coordinated people cube microsystems defined two jpeg based file formats jfif jpeg file interchange format low end format that transports pixels and not tiff jpeg aka tiff extension aldus tiff format tiff high end format that will you record you wanted image and lot tiff lot complex jfif and prove transportable vendors historically implemented slightly and incompatible subsets tiff not likely that adding jpeg mix will improve this situation formats developed input major vendors jpeg related products likely that future commercial products will adhere standards that usenet adopt jfif replacement for gif picture postings jfif simpler tiff and tiff spec recently officially adopted and unusably vague crucial details even tiff jpeg defined jfif format likely widely supported lowest common denominator tiff jpeg files never transportable case that people interested apple quicktime software for macintosh quicktime jfif compatible format wrapped inside mac specific pict structure conversion jfif and quicktime jpeg pretty straightforward and mac programs mac portion section you editor that handles binary files you can strip quicktime jpeg pict jfif hand section for details another case handmade software programs gif jpg jpg gif and image alchemy programs capable reading and writing jfif format default write proprietary format developed hsi this format not readable hsi programs and not used for usenet postings use switch jfif output this applies versions programs current releases emit jfif format default you careful not post hsi format files you want flamed people platforms recognize file format and you alleged jpeg file that your software won read likely hsi format proprietary jpeg based format you can you inspecting bytes file jfif standard file will start characters hex two variable bytes hex jfif you start not rest you raw jpeg file this decodable jfif software worth hsi files start hsi you luck you hsi software portions file plain jpeg data won decompress properly hsi programs macintosh pict file jpeg compressed will couple hundred bytes header jfif header scan for jfif strip and you read proprietary format not jpeg you lucky file consist header and raw jpeg data stream you can identify start jpeg data stream for stripping that uuencoded usenet postings characteristic jfif pattern begin line uuencoded hsi files will start begin line you learn check for you can save trouble downloading jfif files arithmetic coding jpeg spec defines two back end modules for final output compressed data huffman coding arithmetic coding allowed choice impact image quality arithmetic coding produces smaller compressed file typical images arithmetic coding produces file percent smaller huffman coding file size numbers previously cited for huffman coding variant arithmetic coding jpeg standard subject patents owned ibm and mitsubishi you cannot legally use arithmetic coding you obtain licenses companies fair use doctrine people implement and test algorithm storing images dubious short run recommend that people not worry arithmetic coding space savings isn great justify potential legal hassles arithmetic coding not used for images exchanged usenet small chance that legal situation change future stay tuned for details loss accumulate repeated compression decompression nice compressed image jpeg you decompress manipulate crop border and recompress image degradation you lost initially this not case general recompressing altered image loses information not lost time thing that you decompress image and recompress changing loss you identical jpeg file even this not true not current free jpeg software essentially problem accumulation roundoff error you repeatedly compress and decompress image will eventually degrade you can visible generation output takes such cycles visible change things list accumulation error can avoided limited not optimistic case that possibly guaranteed that compressing unmodified full color output djpeg original quality setting introduce loss even such simple cropping border roundoff error degradation you wondering pixel block boundaries move you cropped multiples pixels you safe that mighty limited capability bottom line that jpeg format for archival storage and transmission images you don want use intermediate format for sequences image manipulation steps use lossless format ppm rle tiff etc working image jpeg you ready file avoiding degradation you will save lot compression decompression time this rules thumb for converting gif images jpeg stated earlier you will lose amount image information you convert existing gif image jpeg you can obtain original full color data gif made make jpeg that you save space and gif work suggestions for getting maximum space savings minimum loss quality rule converting gif library each jpeg make you happy throwing gif that will give you chance conversion higher quality setting gifs left gifs explained section cartoon type gifs sixteen fewer colors don convert you find that jpeg file reasonable quality will larger gif check sizes experience date suggests that large high visual quality gifs candidates for conversion jpeg chew storage offer potential savings and convert jpeg degradation don waste your time converting gif kbytes don expect jpeg files converted gifs small created directly full color originals maintain image quality you converted files twice big straight jpeg files shoot for size gif file not suggested earlier comparisons people developed odd habit putting large constant color border gif image useless this free terms storage cost gif files not free jpeg files and sharp border boundary can create visible artifacts ghost edges favor and crop border jpeging you windows system manual and automatic cropping functions painless this cjpeg default setting for full color input for gif inputs settings avoid image degradation you apply smoothing suggested below higher setting not color gifs photographs complex artwork dithered fool your eye into colors that gif can store you enlarge image you will that adjacent pixels significantly colors normal size eye averages pixels together produce illusion intermediate color trouble dithering that jpeg high spatial frequency color noise and jpeg can compress noise resulting jpeg file larger and lower image quality you jpeging original full color image you had this you want smooth gif image compression smoothing averages together nearby pixels approximating color that you thought you and process getting rid rapid color that give jpeg trouble use smoothing will you avoid high factor reducing size compressed file obtaining output image you smoothing free jpeg software products based simple smoothing capability built smooth converting gifs values work for high quality gifs heavy handed dithering require larger smoothing factors you can regular fine scale patterns gif image even enlargement strong smoothing called for large smoothing factor will blur output image you don want you image processing wizard you can smoothing separate filtering program such pnmconvol pbmplus package cjpeg built smoother lot faster pnmconvol upshot this that cjpeg quality smooth good starting point for converting gifs you care image you want check results and settings for information jpeg general free jpeg software contact independent jpeg group jpeg info uunet net tom lane organizer independent jpeg group internet tgl cmu edu bitnet tgl cmu edu carnegie
comp.graphics	optimizing projections article sua tinnqs names nerdc ufl edu lioness ufcc ufl edu writes library lot projections duh projecting object vertices per triangle basis this grossly inefficient for objects displayed can optimized projections time once for each vertex objects extents intersect hither plane can benefit this vertices created clipping ideas you vertices array and polygons triangles sided polygons slightly efficient store indices into array vertices that comprise you set flag for each vertex you transform you don transform vertex once you backface elimination processing polygon that vertices that belong bacfacing polys don transformed whenever you transform vertex check side hither plane you can project and store result your clip vertices that produced will projection that stage bernie roehl university waterloo dept electrical and computer engineering mail broehl sunee uwaterloo voice work
comp.graphics	parametric drafting networld for documentation books parametric drafting such material electronic gopher ftp site books authors not for commercial software info implementation and theory subject planning make parametric generator for autocad and referance you interest advace lasse lars erik stenholm student university stockholm sweden
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comp.graphics	disp posted disp zip alt binaries pictures utilities will upload this package simtel you distribute this program freely for commercial use fee gained warranty author not responsible for damage caused this program important since version added support for iris support mix concat two images added support for batch conversion added support for load save palette table added support for edge enhance added support for crop line added support for negate image color quantization option fix minor bugs introduction this program can you read write and display images formats you special effects rotation dithering image main purpose you convert image formts include simple file management system support slide show support batch conversion limit image size this program supports bits display you want use hicolor truecolor you vesa driver you want modify video driver read section hardware requirement msdos higher min amount ram bytes memory will work recommend min bytes for performance hard disk for swapping virtual memory description borrowed djgpp supported wares extended memory expanded vcpi disk space used for swapping supervga color mode xms vdisk memory allocation strategies vcpi programs such qemm desqview and max unsupported dpmi microsoft windows features emulator bit unix ish environment flat memory model svga graphics installation video drivers emu and exe borrowed djgpp you use western digital vga chips read readme this exe modified version for vesa and completely compatible original version people report that this exe not compatible djgpp programs system you encounter this problem don put exe search path read runme bat for run this program you choose xxxxx grn video driver add environment for example driver xxxxx xxxxx grn you don add emu xxxxx emu environment for example driver xxxxx xxxxx grd emu xxxxx emu notes test grn grn and vesa grn drivers not tested modified grn support bits display you don use vesa driver grn doesn work vesa grn for want use hicolor truecolor display use vesa grn users you can find vesa bios driver wuarchive wustl edu mirrors msdos graphics godzilla cgl rmit kjb mgl command line switch usage display display initial display type sort sort method display type svga default hicolor truecolor sort method name ext function key change disk drive ctrl ctrl change disk drive change filename mask match doc change parameters effects picture flip rotate make directory tag file tag group files match doc tag files untag file untag group files match doc untag files ins change display type read screen menu move file alt move single file ignore tag delete file alt delete single file ignore tag rename file copy file alt copy single file ignore tag display bytes ascii hex and dec modes display disk free space page move page tab change processing target arrow keys home end page page scroll image home left end page top page bottom screen effect menu left arrow change display type bits ctrl arrow keys crop image line graphics mode slide show show tagged files escape terminate batch conversion convert tagged files single format wait pause slide show alt quit program prompting alt reread directory escape abort function and return support format read gif gif japan mag mag japan pic pic sun raster ras jpeg jpg xbm xbm utah rle rle pbm pbm pgm pgm ppm ppm pcx pcx japan mki mki tiff tif targa tga xpm xpm mac paint mac gem img img iff ilbm lbm window bmp bmp qrt ray tracing qrt mac pict pct vis vis pds pds viking vik vicar vic fits fit usenix face fac iris sgi extensions standard extensions write gif sun raster jpeg xbm pbm pgm ppm tiff targa xpm mac paint ascii laser jet iff ilbm window bmp mac pict vis fits face pcx gem img iris read write support full color bits grey scale dither and bits image allowed for that format detail initialization set default display type highest display type find allowable screen resolution for grn video driver you run this program you will enter read menu whthin this menu you can press function key you move copy files you will enter write menu write menu read menu you change directory header line read menu includes display type number files number tagged files pressing space read menu will you select format use for reading current file pressing return read menu will you reading current file this program will automatically determine format this file procedure check magic number fail check standard extension fail report error pressing read menu will slide show delay time program will wait you hit key escape error occurs program will make beep pause key continue escape terminate pressing ins read menu will change display type pressing alt read menu will quit program prompting pressing will turn effect menu once image file successfully read you will enter screen menu you can special effect image pressing return show image graphic mode press return space escape return text mode pressing tab change processing target this program you special effects bit bit image pressing left arrow change display type bits pressing space save current image file dither save black white image bit grey scale save grey image bits full color save color image bits true color save bit image this program will you questions you want write image file questions format dependent finally this program will prompt you filename you want save file another directory current directory press space pressing space you will enter write menu you can change directory you want pressing space this program will prompt you original filename pressing return this program will prompt you selected filename filename bar this program supports bits display this program memory greedy you don memory performance poor you want save bits image gif tiff lzw targa sun raster bmp you want save bits image lossless tiff lzw targa ilbm sun raster for true bits image recommend jpeg for storing bits images even bits images not subroutines fully tested this document not written you problem suggestion comment this program send bicmos nctu edu your suggestion improve this program anonymous ftp this site tech information program user interface and subroutines written jih shin subroutines borrowed and pbmplus dec tiff and jpeg reading writing public domain libraries compiled djgpp you can djgpp package simtel mirror sites for example wuarchive wustl edu mirrors msdos djgpp for thoese want modify video driver grx source code simtel mirror sites for hicolor and truecolor bits colors set bits colors set bits colors set acknowledgment authors and pbmplus for permission use subroutines will authors write tiff and jpeg libraries djgpp can thing jih shin bicmos nctu edu
comp.graphics	calculating regular polyhedra vertices interested copy this code you run across mail author bounced hpldsla comp graphics ricky vnet ibm rick turner fooled this problem years ago and implemented simple method that ran simple lines code and dig interest rick dan conway dconway hpsid sid
comp.graphics	siggraph online experimental publication rich brandwein writes article bert eecs uic edu rsc siggraph org steve cunningham writes computer graphics experimental special online issue experimental special issue computer graphics online set files siggraph org system directory ftp publications online this made computer graphics community acm siggraph general theme this issue electronic documents and table contents aboutthisissue files will you this publication and contents ftp found nothing this removed nope ftp siggraph org connected siggraph org siggraph org ftp server version tue apr cdt ready name siggraph org rsc anonymous guest login send mail address password password siggraph org machine maintained for acm siggraph volunteers service active computer graphics community ftp publications online cwd command successful ftp port command successful opening ascii mode data connection for file list aboutthisissue kappe maurer skip tappan russell gonzalez rosenblum bossomaier green announcements calendar contacts index read transfer complete bytes received seconds kbytes ftp
comp.graphics	cgm garphics viewer wanted for viewer for computer graphics metafile cgm pictures inform shareware freeware version thnx remco jorna kub
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comp.graphics	bit planes explain bit planes sgi work that bit planes this mean this relate graphics reply email this group head advance bob gruen structural dynamics research corp cincinnati ohio
comp.graphics	 article ddtopper dundee ncr stephenc studio create refraction diffraction etc want simulate such things glass lenses bottles etc ipas routine that that can another render scene glass object and save image assign that image your glass object reflection will lot adjusting for position and size reflection that thing can
comp.graphics	input devices use form input device hear information systems that people email responses will summarise feedback brendan langoulant brendan uwa edu
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comp.graphics	reconstruction imaging and advisor and reconstructions slides biological and image software trace outline objects want save outlines stored tiff file convert group outlines into image unsure begin mentioned that convert tiff into vector format view autocad greatly appreciated pankaj oberoi spedhead athena mit edu
comp.graphics	tiff recently read book that tiff version specification due released spring interested finding features tiff spec and specifically tiff supports decompression and image tiling
comp.graphics	image format conversion tool image format conversion tool that will convert raw bit grey scale image gif tif format great tool ran windows application and supported formats happy that works attn code robert lafollette dahlgren division naval surface warfare center dahlgren autovon fax email rlafoll duchamp nswc navy mil rlafoll
comp.graphics	this file article suntv watson mtsu edu csjohn watson mtsu edu john wallace this animation file extension this anu dos programs will run this file file archive containing individual frames pieces frames stored pic clp files fonts and txt file that tells grasp animation system display stands for grasp library detailed discussion this subject alt binaries pictures faq freely distributable viewers for files and named grasprt exe replace version digit letter files frames that hardware specific modes cga ega vga adapters pcs that copies grasprt anonymous ftp that long time ago good luck jack jack stephenson main mail stephenson isuv interlan racal datacom alternate mail stephens souv interlan box lauderdale usa phone
comp.graphics	vga graphics library article mwca bill mwca bill sheppard writes high end graphics cards come source code for basic graphics sorts things change colors draw points lines polygons fills etc such library exist for generic vga graphics cards chips hopefully public domain this for purpose compiling dos operating system running standard interested info public domain and commercial graphics library package vga graphics working realtime application running pcc dos kernel that simple graphics not reentrancy graphics library issue not suspect implement display controller server process that handles graphics requests queued mailbox time this sufficiently frequent display updates that can restrict graphics operations performed server and constrain access library this single process and avoid for reentrant graphics library fairly realtime systems world overlooking you cheers bob fitzsimmons fitz cse ogi edu
comp.graphics	lookin form model loom folks animated film methodes loom research you thing make cloth and model loom format ascii faceted geometry and fairly straight forward figure pointers greatly appreciated rick boykin rick boykin rboykin cscsparc larc nasa gov computer sciences corporation hampton fly and feed arachnid die tom marshall
comp.graphics	input devices interested devices send your suggestions advance regards martin vicente mail vicente cenaath cena dgac tph centre etudes navigation aerienne div support informatique developpement
comp.graphics	oriented bounding box generation for code that will generate minimum volume oriented bounding box for arbitrary polyhedron such code converting objects modelling system into another and destination system object oriented want represent each object coordinate system that bounding box objects translated and rotated appropriately this representation used destination system john nagle
comp.graphics	ray bezier intersection problem kind person access mathematical package such mathematica maple you for solution problem sometimes algebra problems this simplified symbolic solution ftp package that can handle such beasts solve ray bezier patch intersection for scalar constant origin point dir vector terms and scalars origin dir case case for case control points space chuck elwood reston ingr
comp.graphics	anonymous ftp sites for graphics can give couple names anonymous ftp sites that cater graphics for info sources images for building ray tracer robert woolridge robertw clovis pen tek
comp.graphics	point polygon routine needed andrew lewis tepper andrew cmu edu writes don this routine standard recently for polygon points and point make table follows angle angle angle express angles angle add entries table sum point sum point inside point xpi you strange polygon angle point border neat can extended john nagle
comp.graphics	pov ray related group needed hed cats ucsc edu magic fingers writes article exucom cyberman exucom stephen phillips writes takes making alt group not this thread for two months alt hierarchie created for purposes for groups not fit comp official hierarchies for fast creation hot newsgroups alt gulf war voting process control facilities sites free decide not carry alt groups desirable create comp graphics raytrace rendering and not alt group wouter good point that working this offer time manage yaw not hear summer not pushy and progress made pov mailing list hed advertisement advertisement don miss this time sale sale sale sale tech selling thier model jed series geek bot this limited time offer reduction usual price dollars buy don wait sale ends sunday advertisement adveritisement
comp.graphics	raw byte grayscale gif grayscale image files that not standard format simply bit pixel values display images conversion gif format helpful this conversion can place unix system and download can suggest can find software this alternatively write conversion program this case can find gif format specification mail directly shayla shannon jpl nasa gov
comp.graphics	graphics software needed for graphics package preferably complete source code that will run unix operating system sequent running dynix this graphics package support wide variety character based graphics devices running terminal emulator primarily this point graphics not option this graphics program support sorts graphics operations minimum requirements complicated axes log linear etc fairly precise axis labels multi line labels etc major and minor tickmarks axes etc nice limited amount color plotting output device supported copy gnuplot and gnuplot limitations for robust gnuplot this point for information packages that solve problems you information contact email address product you commercial software package send phone number email address that can contact pricing etc annette koontz battelle pacific northwest richland usa
comp.graphics	pov ray related group needed gmt wlieftin liefting liefting hed cats ucsc edu magic fingers writes article exucom cyberman exucom stephen phillips writes takes making alt group not this thread for two months liefting alt hierarchie created for purposes for liefting groups not fit comp official liefting hierarchies for fast creation hot newsgroups liefting alt gulf war liefting voting process control liefting facilities sites free decide not carry liefting alt groups liefting desirable create liefting comp graphics raytrace rendering and not liefting alt group sites sites not carry alt newsgroups don for example comp group will broader distribution and people topic important popular warrant group imho kent dalton email kent dalton ftcollinsco ncr ncr microelectronics phone danfield fax fort collins colorado peoria shorter attention span
comp.graphics	adobe type manager good subject bought adobe type manager and find completely useless ftped atm fonts and couldn install use you supposed convert atm fonts truetype this program and finds enlighten pete
comp.graphics	products handle hdtv moving pircture sec kazsato twics writes system cpu array framebuffer can play and record hdtv quality moving picture realtime hdtv frame recording playing moving picture will sec bandwidth thinking treat raw data not compressed for digital hdtv systems that higher bandwidth you reason you work fully uncompressed hdtv calculations that each frame even bits pixel bits you for moving picture bits guessing hdtv resolution bit wider fairly number for digital proposals hope you fast memory system displaying will require heavily interleaved vram system you compelling reason advise use somewhat compressed data you don full compression level data requirements cheaper and easier deal gnu emacs lisp operating system disguised word processor doug mohney comp arch randell jesup jack quite trades commodore engineering jesup cbmvax commodore rutgers cbmvax jesup bix rjesup disclaimer nothing personal opinion
comp.graphics	video memory posted this newsgroup once and recieved moderately helpful response couple issues this appreciated that ther simply information subjects for relativly novice graphics programmer subjects you access extra video memory video board somwhere aresome standard video bios calls that you dothis meg memory board and books and info read maximum this standard vga vidoe paging written assembly don written into apps hat use mode speed you this vesa standard read net offer vesa and coding for vesa advice cryptic public domain info that will plain english vesa calls work biggest gripe number bought graphics books asked graphics professors hunted net gopher and archie ahave asked apps programmers and lock this information graphics programming books alot programmiing algorithm information fall short telling you control video bios calls folks people that doall tis stuff you and haven you written book advance stephen palm palm snycanva bitnet send personal replies address
comp.graphics	products handle hdtv moving pircture sec bit color hdtv work can not bit red green and blue macintosh this gray levels apple developed point point network that not bits bytes per sec povl pedersen macintosh specialist dos and unix pope imv aau povlphp uts uni finger pope imv aau for pgp public key
comp.graphics	hacker ethic vinci filipe vxcrna cern wrote article hal bobp hal bob pendleton writes article pony ingres mwmeyer ingres mike wading muck and meyer article hal bobp hal bob pendleton writes this getting pretty silly hacker obsolete term doesn matter used mean today means thief means thief you want mean that means lots context wickedly omitted joe hacker english speaking people word poor golfer bad carpenter people will good and clever programmer you chose call term that means thief don surprised people you thief even you don agree that definition word narrower view that hacker associated computing environment dishonest expert not widespread opinion people involved field imho wider meaning not obsolete matter lay press conclude that you call hacker and perceives you thief this person belongs small group that computer knowledge not wider and original meaning word general public narrow view deep dark recesses art computing view media media hacker not proper refer respected person hand hacker means such definition jargon file this hackers dictionary definitions arranged order decreasing frequency usage hacker originally makes furniture axe person enjoys exploring details programmable systems and stretch capabilities opposed users prefer learn minimum programs enthusiastically even obsessively enjoys programming theorizing programming person capable appreciating hack person good programming quickly expert program frequently work unix hacker definitions correlated and people fit congregate expert enthusiast kind astronomy hacker for example enjoys intellectual challenge creatively overcoming circumventing limitations deprecated malicious meddler discover sensitive information poking password hacker network hacker cracker term hacker connote membership global community defined net network and internet address implies that person described subscribe version hacker ehic hacker ethic described hacker describe oneself that hackers elite meritocracy based ability members gladly ego satisfaction had identifying hacker you claim and not you quickly labeled bogus wannabee hacker ethic belief that information sharing powerful positive good and that ethical duty hackers share expertise writing free software and facilitating access information and computing resources wherever belief that system cracking for fun and exploration ethically long cracker commits theft vandalism breach confidentiality normative ethical principles widely means universally accepted hackers hackers subscribe hacker ethic sense and act writing and giving free software and assert that information free and proprietary control bad this philosophy gnu project sense controversial people act cracking unethical breaking and entering this principle moderates behavior people benign crackers samurai this view highest forms hackerly courtesy break into system and explain sysop preferably email superuser account exactly and hole can plugged acting unpaid unsolicited tiger team reliable manifestation version hacker ethic that almost hackers actively willing share technical tricks software and computing resources hackers huge cooperative networks such usenet fidonet and internet internet address can function central control this trait rely and reinforce sense community that hackerdom valuable intangible asset finally true hacker not name for this title that bestowed befuddled sysadmins and users large sign great hacker introduced nahh thing two people exagerate note that definition not preclude hacker describing limself meaning simply that not not meaning hacker order defend true meaning word sometimes borrow reputation respected hacker workplace this means that hacker defined terms and respected person sometimes such person matter dumpty language doesn work that you adequate press coverage language works that want work purpose language communicate oversimplify long communication taking place language working include stddisclaimer amiga computer for creative mind commodore weber state macintosh computer for rest apple university amiga val csulx weber edu ogden usa
comp.graphics	iges and formats find can documentation for iges and arc info formats you formats send note don read this group send responses mike prc utexas edu you mike kline
comp.graphics	adobe type manager good menchett dws unr edu peter menchetti writes subject bought adobe type manager and find completely useless ftped atm fonts and couldn install use you supposed convert atm fonts truetype this program and finds enlighten pete tricks installing atm windows install dos run atm control panel into windows reason for atm that adobe standard truetype failed venture undercut adobe adobe nasty keeping formats proprietary service bureau print shop will smirk and send you your you bring truetype document for high resolution printing ripping lots pretty fonts floating for dot matrix your lazer printer you can convert your fonts fontmonger similar program atm fonts for high end stuff you dot matrix for your printing you wasted your money dave
comp.graphics	print ncar cgm file lots cgm files produced ncar graph utility color graphs and want print printers postscript and experiences this mail will nice convert cgm files into gif pcx bmp will helps lot
comp.graphics	needed interactive gif cropper for group gif images that each small images place images program crop small images gif file programs can find make use mouse keyboard define cropping coordinates program for that can crop coordinates command line reply max slinky nyu edu david max
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comp.graphics	head model not groan post question crop quite regularly this group specific and usefull context answer can hold data for head for simple polyon description head face can easily converted for used pov raytracer polygons placing file ftp today that contains polygonal descriptions head face skull vase etc format files list vertices normals and triangles resolutions and name data file includes number polygons phred vbl contains polygons order data ftp ftp taurus nps navy mil login anonymous guest password pub dabro binary cyber tar once you data your workstation uncompress data tar tar xvof data tar you questions george dabro dabro taurus nps navy mil george dabrowski cyberware labs dabro taurus nps navy mil
comp.graphics	piclab processing half gif playing program called piclab modify gif files problem displaying image starting top displays leaves blank another etc wrong another piece software use for your tolerance
comp.graphics	cgm files article meyer ibsen geomatic meyer geomatic harald martens meyer writes book found cgm format cgm and cgi arnold bono springer verlag isbn not book read standards document faq order standards documents american national standards institute sells ansi standards and iso international standards sales office mailing address broadway helps you complete name and number numbers cgm computer graphics metafile iso gks graphical kernel system ansi you want viewer downloading ralcgm unix hensa misc unix ralcgm ralcgm tar you want gplot folks pittsburgh supercomputer center fish calpe psc edu pretty nifty spl steve lamont sciviguy spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy and imaging resource san diego jolla naked lunch natural eat reality sandwiches allegories lettuce don hide madness allen ginsberg
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mouse jumpy mouse article apr cti rlister cti russell lister writes rlister cti russell lister subject mouse jumpy mouse date fri apr gmt ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes microsoft serial mouse and mouse switched vertical motion nice and smooth horizontal motion bad sometimes can click mouse jumps can moving mouse relatively uniform motion and mouse will move smoothly for bit jump move smoothly for bit jump this time left inch this crazy never had trouble mouse solutions microsoft venting steam this problem times result rollers inside mouse becomming dirty good collecting grime solution simple remove ball reveal two rollers carefully clean and ball dennis
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dos window macros article apr csd newshost stanford edu herrod stanford edu stephen herrod writes program that will record keyboard sequences that windowed dos box that starts telnet program and logs into accounts windows recorder doesn record key sequences steve you dos macro program superkey borland comes mind don windows capable sending keystrokes dos window you want sounds security problem tom paladin world std
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	program manager problem configure dos app progman that instance can running time this prefer responses email not big deal email posting you james lee jelee hamlet ucdavis edu swear life and love that will never live for sake another man another man live for mine john galt atlas shrugged
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	actix video card drivers for windows apr jarvis csri toronto edu wongda eecg toronto edu daniel wong writes for latest drivers for actix graphics accelerator card driver version and doesn support colors mode even you memory bbs support for actix unbelievable bps modem will you hours download drivers hurts you calling long distance ftp site that collection video drivers for windows btw this card and you good drivers daniel wong uoft actix listening upload dang drivers ftp site pleeeeeeese cheers kym kym burgemeister department mechanical engineering university adelaide south australia facs mail kburg aelmg adelaide edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	postscript dpi windows printer driver print file output postscript file this postscript file machine attached hewlett packard laser printer and print document dots per inch resolution use this method print wordperfect for windows and image processing program that can output images postscript problem windows postscript printer driver pscript drv doesn dpi fact setup dialog for this driver pull menu for resolution choice menu not menu ideas david arnstein arnstein iis sun international imaging systems milpitas california
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	workspace managers for win locations article apr bert eecs uic edu you write cah tactix rain chris huey writes jamie scuglia jamie zikzak apana org wrote people recommended workspace managers for windows found shareware workspace managers australia windows archive monu monash edu mirrors sites found workspaces wspace zip review deleted workshift wrksft zip review deleted bigdesk and backmenu backdesk zip review deleted this information that don direct internet access means don archie access resort ftpmail this means that site name and directory workspace managers located backdesk zip cica not directory another throw into running topdesk alsow cica not complicated backdesk found stable and usefull recomend people used virtual desktop yeh free copyright microsoft and sanford staab carl zmola cicero spc uchicago edu usefull applications and locations and cica mirrors desktop directory wrksft zip wokshift graphical virtual desktop ver email author version desk zip desktop tools for windows backmenu bigdesk version backdesk topdesk zip virtual windows for windows finder zip mac finder clone for windows works backmenu for superbar due button bars added almost application paul blackman pwb science canberra edu water research centre pwb aerg canberra edu faculty applied science university canberra australia spend love and high lenny kravitz
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	setting slip client dos and windows long posting monthly setup slip client posts for months lots work and imminent graduation come posting for march earlier this month for apologize this file includes information writing script for university minnesota phone and batch file hack that lets you use packet drivers phone for additions modifications and corrections can reached ashok biochemistry cwru edu wishes ashok begin slip txt based experiences setting slip dos and windows comments setting slip this environment trumpet beta testers and cwru slip beta testers for comments configuring your modem turn dtr disable dtr communication program that use dial slip server qmodem drops dtr exit program and hangs line you use program kermit conex establish slip connection this not programs not necessarily hangup line you exit note you use univ minn phone dial and establish slip connection you not turn dtr dial and establish slip connection this can automatically you use program phone university minnesota will dial and establish slip connection load slip packet driver phone scripting language simple and phone scripts can easily written configure phone work slip server addition packet driver that phone works umslip easy write batch file hack that lets phone work packet drivers section phone document script and batch file examples configuring slip drivers slip packet drivers commonly cslipper exe peter tattam compressed slip driver slipper exe peter tattam slip driver slip crynwr driver phil burn modified driver ethersl crynwr driver ethernet simulation slip umslip univ minnesota driver based slip vastly prefer slipper exe slip ethersl for reasons faster even modem uart etherslip slip umslip and noticed that clock gets messed performing long ftp transfer supports pktmux used ethernet simulation mode used ethernet simulation mode slipper work tcp application that tested instructions for slipper exe and you not use phone load slipper your autoexec bat file instructions for instance you bis modem slipper vec baud you use dos tcp applications win dos boxes use double ended packet driver shim winpkt this creates virtual packet driver dos applications native mode dos applications windows dos boxes and windows applications can use this virtual driver winpkt you use qvt net load pktint qvt net configured qvtnet ini use interrupt pktint instructions for slip getting version slip driver philip burns northwestern university modified slip driver that hardware handshaking this driver distributed nupop load driver establishing slip connection modem bis modem load driver slip slip discussed you use dos tcp applications windows dos boxes you want use winpkt winpkt you use winqvt net load pktint pktint instructions for ethersl you choose use ethersl slip instructions exactly crucial difference you will delete line device vcd enh section system ini this will interfere running regular windows comm applications such crosstalk and you will lots dropped characters etc applications this not recommended etherslip loaded ethersl configuring windows make modifications system ini file enh section list your ports addresses and interrupts base irq base irq base irq this can windows control panel double clicking ports icon give port your modem attached generous buffer buffer iii change port autoassign for port that you use for your modem this amount time that windows waits seconds handing control that port another application you use winqvt net and want switch session another and this default seconds you will gpf and windows will crash autoassign this can windows control panel double click enhanced and device contention set device contention for port your modem never warn additional notes you assigned address for each slip session fortunate that campus slip server assigns each user permanent address not worry editing qvtnet ini each time that establish slip connection you assigned address occasion that you dial use bootp aware software and bootp configuration for you qvtnet not bootp aware and rarp will not work slip connection qvtnet working situation such this you edit qvtnet ini file net section this net name netmask for you arptime packet vector save and write protect this file attrib qvtnet ini start your slip connection and remember name and address that you assigned each time you start qvt net general configuration dialog box will open enter name and address and you assigned for that session click and you and running you make will not saved qvtnet ini write protected elegant solution problem dynamic slip address assignment provided victor menayang victor ccwf utexas edu victor program bootpq semi automate qvtnet preparation bootpq used inquire assigned saved file called myip another file noip essentially complete qvtnet ini file that lacks address final step myip and noip copied into single qvtnet ini file example victor batch file provided below slipper pktint bootpq myip bootpq copy net myip noip qvtnet qvtnet ini del myip echo echo echo ready run winqvtnet for questions and details bootpq contact victor menayang victor ccwf utexas edu qpc software attempting add bootp capability winqvt net you use pktmux slip pktmux will not work slip packet driver and crashes immediately used ethersl pktmux will work slipper exe slipper used ethernet simulation mode example this configuration shown below latest release pktmux and important that you use this version you want use virtual packet drivers applications trumpet for windows released shortly autoexec bat slipper vec baud ether packet driver pktmux pktmux loaded for virtual packet drivers pktdrv virtual packet driver used for qvt net pktint qvt net pktint pktdrv pktdrv for use native dos wintrumpet additional virtual packet drivers can loaded directly windows dos boxes for example pif file load popmail directed file popmail bat this popmail bat reads pktdrv loads virtual packet driver popmail popmail pktdrv unloads packet driver exit dos window close similar batch files that load dos tcp applications gopher experience that pktmux works fine even virtual packet drivers two independent virtual dos sessions loaded software interrupt for example two dos boxes for popmail and for gopher virtual packet driver pktdrv loaded each instance pktmux degrade performance slipper bis bis modem running windows fast video card ati graphics ultra conditions virtual packet drivers loaded and used follows driver qvtnet ftp client session driver dos window cutcp session driver another dos window trumpet for dos ftp transfer rates sec transferring compressed files this rate comparable that slip loaded packet driver and single tcp session active cslipper used packet driver and single session active transfer rates sec files degradation performance slipper for benefits use pktmux outweigh performance hit slipper and ethernet simulation mode ethernet simulation mode slipper ver works applications that tested two applications that required ethernet simulation balked slipper even rare problems resolved ver slipper used ethernet simulation mode and used pktmux error message qvtnet console window that reads incorrect packet type bad version number this not prevent qvtnet functioning cannot comment loss performance can you your dos tcp application not work slipper ethernet simulation mode rare event that you find package that not work slipper ethernet simulation mode contact author peter tattam peter psychnet psychol utas edu and chances that can fix meanwhile you can not kosher worked had problems slipper ver slipper loaded described pktmux section load ethersl run application and terminate ethersl this works windows virtual dos boxes packet driver ethersl can used virtual dos box time for example batch file run grateful med medical reference retrieval program developed national library medicine ethersl loads etherslip search termin terminates etherslip exit closes dos box and returns windows you use this method cautious thing don active pktmux dos sessions open time closing ethersl window you can run your pktmux dos sessions problem btw example grateful med works problems slipper ver phone script files documentation that accompany phone provide good instructions writing script files phone dial slip servers university minnesota server for example script that use dial cisco server university that attend background start slip connection dial terminal server and login username and password start slip session command slip username slip dialin cwru edu password relevant portion phone cmd script file cwru slip login script ashok aiyar last revised procedure host cwru login timeout cwru terminal server not responding message cwru slip login script version message waiting for slip server respond quiet expect verification message request for user verification received cwru message sending your user name and password quiet expect username send expect password private send reject access denied your user name password not accepted timeout slip server not respond your validation request expect cwru send slip timeout slip server not respond slip command expect hostname address send slip dialin cwru edu timeout slip server not respond hostname reject bad address incorrect hostname expect password send reject access denied password not accepted timeout expect header compression will match your system message login cwru slip server successful wait endprocedure host cwru login procedure host cwru logout nothing special logout endprocedure host cwru logout end script file use packet drivers umslip phone quick answer clean below batch file hack that wrote use phone packet drivers this example packet driver peter tattam cslipper use batch file this you parameters you plan use packet driver interrupt vector baud rate port address and irq this batch file requires umslip cslipper exe and termin directory your path that batch file you dial slip connection phone load packet driver hangup connection and unload driver you cwruslip bat echo rem this batch file ugly hack minn slip bat rem awaiting version slipper that can directly interact rem phone rem cwruslip bat file used phone exe start slip rem connection cwru rem last modified ashok aiyar echo cls goto start start goto goto setup goto setup dial goto forced hangup goto forceh quit goto forceh goto setup goto setup dial goto forced quit goto forceh goto bogus goto unload forceh termin umslip nul phone force hangup goto unload slipper termin rem line changed reflect port rem irq baud rate and software interrupt packet cslipper vec baud ether goto end forced termin umslip nul phone force dial goto slipper setup termin umslip nul phone setup goto unload termin goto end bogus echo not valid command echo cwruslip for list valid commands echo echo echo case western reserve university slip setup echo univ minnesota phone echo echo cwruslip setup modem settings phone number username etc echo echo cwruslip dial dial and establish slip connection echo cwruslip quit hangup phone and unload driver echo cwruslip this screen echo end end cwruslip bat peter tattam programs archived ftp utas edu slipper and trumpet set programs winqvt net generally archived windows ftp sites including ftp cica indiana edu ncsa telnet archived ftp ncsa uiuc edu nupop archived ftp acns nwu edu popmail slipdisk phone and gopher archived boombox micro umn edu end slip txt ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department biochemistry tel cwru school medicine cleveland ohio fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	refresh internet access compuserve article syshtg gsusgi gsu edu syshtg gsusgi gsu edu tom gillman writes cheong solomon technet scstech admin writes ago discussions gaining compuserve access internet misplace articles can refresh site can telnet gain access send message compuserve user internet mail enter mail mode and address your receiver follows compuserve number receiver compuserve number users number contains comma period change period
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	msdos prompt problem bothersome problem msdos prompt windows open dos box dos box back windows alt enter shrink box use exit close screen black and control alt delete kill windows couple screens app not responding things alive black screen alt tab cycle running apps flashes text black returns this persists even machine powered and working app developed borland application frameworks and work fine hardware meg ram not network video tseng vga dos reinstalled windows couple time problem comes back temporary swapping for virtual memory hints offer jim
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bmp format mean article robertsa unix tcd robertsa unix tcd andrew roberts writes exactly windows bitmap format mean data stored width height colours bitmap data couldn find ths user manual reference material give this information andrew this guess true meaning bit map holds pixel number direction pixel number dir colour michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray make windows grp file reflect directory ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	newsgroup archive this newsgroup archived anywhere normal expiration dates for last months tom paladin world std
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	trouble sound blaster pro drivers article kaz vincent iastate edu kaz iastate edu errington shroud writes recently windows starting giving error sound blaster pro requires newer version windows worked correctly for long time and don problem had this problem initially installed sound blaster pro and tech support told told for files that stated readme file win subdirectory soudblaster directory system ini file and device xxxxxxx change device xxxxxxx thats work your system ini file erased for reason that reason that that windoes giving you error tony annese claebaur shell portal claebaur cup portal
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	hiragana katakana fonts newsgroups comp windows misc subject hiragana katakana fonts keywords hiragana katakana truetype japanese can obtain truetype hiragana and katakana japanese phonetic character fonts note can receive mail address header cannot send
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	standard and enhanced question win sometimes finicky dell mhz megs ram windows working great had bus mouse and mother board problem dell replaced mouse gave newer mouse driver for windows and replaced motherboard prior this problem windows load time logo and into windows lock this consistent time motherboard and thing computer month worked fine can into windows each time win command this forces standard mode things run slower use windows apps standard mode virtual mem slower loaded windows thing delete windows dir not added sub dir etc puzzling enhanced mode not load each time consistently time standard mode each time thoughts comments artin this communication artin university arizona tucson cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death dead for years follow king kings
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	replacement for program manager and file manager suggest shareware replacements for win program manager and file manager and ftp site located advance for mail response yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	video cards bnc connectors sam uky edu mike mills writes recently bought nec order highest quality and refresh rates accelerator cards bnc connectors opposed usual sub connector not vga type cards that bnc outputs extron sells vga bnc cable set that works good you optimize display good video card contacting use and level card for information mike mills mail sam uky edu rutgers uunet ukma sam math sciences dept mike ukpr uky edu work home mark marlow marlow world std
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	true type font problem repost word doesn show period centred character spaces use ttfonts coreldraw editors spaces text character displayed large hollow box overlap each and characters each side useless character used period centred this character shows windows charmap display hollow box confirm this edited corel font fontmonger and changing font graphics for character makes difference font output charmap altering paragraph cedilla alter font graphics displayed character used spaces period centred character this character displayed coreldraw ttf russ sharp russ deakin edu fax deakin university school engineering technology geelong australia
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows zip unzip pkzip and interested hear people used windows programs that call and stand rest full windows version that not call dos pkzip pkunzip commands russ sharp russ deakin edu fax deakin university school engineering technology geelong australia
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	boot sometimes fails sometimes boot windows windows logo comes han dos and doublespace and meg temp swap file uncompressed drive press reset button computer windows boots fine this dos matthew gillard blessed run computer systems engineering circles for trobe university wheels
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bmp format mean andrew roberts robertsa unix tcd wrote exactly windows bitmap format mean data stored width height colours bitmap data couldn find ths user manual reference material give this information andrew windows multimedia development kit file formats defined
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	stealth video drivers article doug sun sws uiuc edu doug sun sws uiuc edu doug ward writes recently purchased diamond stealth video card and received wrong drivers can ftp windows video drivers for stealth drivers cica and don work drivers diamond bbs file almost meg and download baud information appreciated contact doug sun sws uiuc edu you doug ward problem diamond stealth vram card daniel
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	driver wanted for driver for ibm color ink jet printer pointers advance ralf huebner informatik uni stuttgart
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bmp format mean michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu wrote article robertsa unix tcd robertsa unix tcd andrew roberts writes exactly windows bitmap format mean data stored width height colours bitmap data couldn find ths user manual reference material give this information this guess true meaning bit map holds pixel number direction pixel number dir colour come fellows format quite plainly explained manuals programmer reference volume messages structures and macros msc dev kit for borland manuals pages depending you bitmapfileheader struct bitmapinfo contains bitmapinfoheader and rgbquad and bitmap data and example example files sdk hope this helps prior knowledge this nothing dangerous dragons totally harmless opinion that kicking not test shut and run pjsinc sunrise oulu pjsinc phoenix oulu pjsinc tolsun oulu that opinions mine
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canon bought mine store called compusa and price friend you prints and drivers for slow hope helped dpi great heather stehman article apr schbbs mot ceng maccvm corp mot craig witkowski writes message apr csd newshost stanford edu kayman csd stanford edu robert kayman writes fellow netters asking for your collected wisdom decide printer purchase canon bubblejet deskjet thought trust salesperson benefit relying use printers daily and use fullest potential and figure you will benefits and pitfalls salesperson questions deleted bought month ago start rebate program that printer ends and bought computer discount warehouse price couldn beat anywhere looked and hot printer regular copier paper produced fantastic results high quality mode compared output micrografx designer legal size drawing type drawing printed laserjet iid and amazed read small print printing speed seconds faster amazing that ram installed measured time printer receiving data used print manager windows guess experience work and deskjet home prefer deskjet printing speed and quality similar tested text and graphics buying deskjet for home feature that sets deskjet apart driver support applications ends emulating epson ibm proprinter work windows apps and this will case for long time design superior you want use cut paper deskjet quieter and ink cartridges quite bit cheaper due number deskjets comparision bjs worth mike mattix agricultural group monsanto box luling internet address dmmatt bigez monsanto landscape mode printing problem not present problem windows windows printer driver handles translation thought points posted note deskjet unprintable area approximately inch paper bubblejet not you graphics resolutions tested printers applications had access wordperfect harvard graphics wingif paintshop pro and paintbrush and not difference fact deskjet windows drivers you significant control contrast and density printer controlling amount ink you put bubblejet not had imaging software test printers and had comparision finally wanted sheet feeding that configuration bubblejet cost approximately deskjet pretty thorough evaluation and chose deskjet spent money btw replacing deskjet work this month regards mike mattix group monsanto luling spent time comparing two ended getting bubblejet versus reasons worse banding canon dpi versus felt difference price canon rebate program moment choice pages feeder holds pages you can pages haven big performance reasonable windows that microsoft bbs newer windows driver comes printer don compares driver included printer canon don microsoft bbs comes microsoft hope this helps thomas frauenhofer yyw tvf cci uunet uupsi cci tvf tvf rit edu mandlebratwurst meal that eats altough sometimes salesperson not suppost study recommend buy printing quality bit you you possiblities don forget engine years marked canon engine witch used bubblejet printers epson quite recently greatly information you render dpi canon bubblejet hewlett packard deskjet dpi faster 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experience don canon that reviews and replies posting similar idea that offered performance price ratio originals field not ideal place market young assumes expertise worth extra operation mono perfectly acceptable and good crisp reproduction fonts windows used work for monotype manufactured typesetters american owners closed and can you that terms definition dpi pretty poor dpi bit poor comes reasonable set drivers you buy invest additional ram pack pretty slow god work germany and home not daily use that apart not reading manual properly and dumb problem start easy peasy operate hope this use regards david bought thought price couldn beat rebate and comparable even superior deskjet print quality speed per page rate faster don figures don print long docs quality graphics quality excellent print quality excellent you use small fonts and hold close you can lot jaggies laserjet dpi offset accuracy holding page print head place imagine large docs not room standard model for lotta pages manual haven drivers problems win winword doesn want print envelopes canon nothing add costs daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract deskjet slow this comparison printers mentioned idea bubblejet compares interface win and printer dandy not had problems bought printer couple days ago compared sample print deskjet and knew that wasn for pretty fast and prints good quality can compare laserjet iiid postscript and almost identical depending kind paper don problems ink not dry dry fast second since canon giving rebate end good buy sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts and communications wow funny you this news reading this late purchased canon bubblejet last night worried that wouldn print quality and noise level fantastic printed quite documents lots graphics and printed damn laser quality you can not laser you inches page problems drivers printer driver diskette good beginning panic couldn findi windows wordperfect works install word for windows don works 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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	standard and enhanced question cleveland freenet edu martin linsenbigler writes win sometimes finicky dell mhz megs ram windows working great had bus mouse and mother board problem dell replaced mouse gave newer mouse driver for windows and replaced motherboard prior this problem windows load time logo and into windows lock this consistent time deleted thoughts comments sounds memory conflict problem can weird symptoms call dell tech support post cserve you account and memory range used video ram your machine block windows ranges emmexclude statement enh section system ini you include statement excluding range emm memory manager you use config sys dell installs windows machines ship installation doesn consist copying files hard disk you work and fact that you problem enhanced mode not standard strongly suggests high memory conflict
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	program manager two questions article kou raijbh axion wefiii axion warren fridy iii apr vpnet chi lisbon vpnet chi gerry swetsky writes can you set short cut key return program manager ctl esc esc will set can avoid task list and back alt you recorder and make micro isn that amazing add program manager your startup group and define shortcut for works
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not dos anymore mark woodruff cda ucf bitnet wrote this morning working research paper had reboot hung dos program that disk windows machine finished rebooting found windows directory and two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted stuff deleted this sounds happened month ago stacked stacker run dos suddenly hung and corrupted directories changed into unreadable files funny names words doubledisk part dos that troublesome use stacker and had trouble elisabeth bull mail eliza swix nvg unit
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	longer filenames utility that will use filenames longer standard format yep called yep you can use type unix vms buy mac you want longer filenames for your documents heard wordprocessor for windows you assign long names files long filenames that programs open save dialogs this wordprocessor rember correctly lotus notes this possiblity things tom softsys
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows needed error beta release disk march windowsnt and not boot that system final step achieved display error since this beta release sdk for and not microsoft not include manual explaining this error means can rid configuration mainboard hauppauge rev socket for megs memory ami eisa scsi controller series latest bios cache hard disk syquest removable disk toshiba rom drive proaudio spectrum longshine ethernet card lcs comp graphics card meg colorimage system running fine dos and windows etc setup for automatic setup not recognize controller aha compat adding manually complains not finging rom drive manual setup winnt not copy not recognize controller takes manually setup continues boot starts loading stuff disk fing messing that damned error cards not essential that not make effect ideas greatly appreciated michael linder mlinder tonet physik berlin institute optics tech univ berlin germany
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	cool bmp files article apr dlss james dlss james cummings writes newsgroups comp windows misc path atldbs uupsi psinntp uunet gatech howland reston ans net bogus sura net darwin sura net convex seas smu edu void dalnet dlss james james dlss james cummings subject cool bmp files message apr dlss organization redrock development references apr gmuvax gmu edu distribution usa date tue apr gmt lines article apr gmuvax gmu edu rwang gmuvax gmu edu john wang writes guess subject getting boring bmp files that windows wondering body beautiful bmp file can share can ftp site for bmp files scenery files animals files etc used delete give response kinda wallpaper use original gif called not real artist name and logo lower corner you will vga and this sized for color screens use this your windows directory and not tile hope you enjoy had question abo owen adair fsu adair dbsoftware software backbone uupsi atldbs adair alarming increase topics nothing
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dos loaded gun not dos anymore mark woodruff cda ucf bitnet writes running dos for month generally impressed improvements multiple boot configurations great commands nice and doublespace worked fine twice slow for large data transfers twice fast for small smartdrv this morning working research paper had reboot hung dos program that disk windows machine finished rebooting found windows directory and two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted cannot afford problems this returning dos mark noticed bad sector errors doublespace exist infoworld april issue two articles problems dos second article calls loaded gun and that people exercise extreme caution decide use point that doublespace and memmaker problem areas that will number folks problems response effect that had problems reported that duplicate not hard cringely reports that lot folks getting burned support lines example call that cost for minutes tech support minutes hold want spin doctors explain this
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not dos anymore eliza tigern elisabeth bull writes mark woodruff cda ucf bitnet wrote this morning working research paper had reboot hung dos program that disk windows machine finished rebooting found windows directory and two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted stuff deleted this sounds happened month ago stacked stacker run dos suddenly hung and corrupted directories changed into unreadable files funny names words doubledisk part dos that troublesome use stacker and had trouble this pretty confirms original impression reading documentation dos double space sounds nice not your primary disk wind making disk partition and doublespacing archive floppy disks disliked note that double space irreversible cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle ics uci edu bitnet cltittle uci bitnet ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail box irvine
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows enhanced mode icon functionality recently set windows vlb system and didn notice last night that don icon control panel don remember windows setup asking enhanced mode whether wanted not program that bought aldus freehand that telling that running windows enhanced mode running standard mode can switch enhanced mode icon thingie issues involved vesa systems windows not want give you enhanced mode for david victor
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	changing startup logo article fidonet org doelle fidonet org doelle writes brad monday april brad smalling wrote crosspost since don your setup copy win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win grabbed this supercharging windows judd robbins great book this you can put your logo into windows startup brad procedure used specially compress bmp file rle file love use bmp files created logo screen chris origin chris doelle fidonet org thought reply this ain brad case lot picture file viewers that will convert gif etc bmp will convert rle for fact that paintshop shareware cica desktop filename psvvv zip vvv ver number that not true and post corection this will write your rle file bmp extension you rename another thing this windows faq your file that faq mine wont work for mend don your file fit vga size standard vga size you use vga screen cga ega svga thing vgalogo lgo you use another file such cgalogo lgo egalogo lgo not this vga you find faq windows ver cica don konw filename your bmp colours specs rule good bmp found cartoon drawings work quite advantage good memory finally remember save your current win and put your win windows directory don start windows directory another win present that used windows dir and win won start share this fairly don slice pie mickey michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray make windows grp file reflect directory ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows zip unzip article sol deakin russ deakin russ sharp writes pkzip and interested hear people used windows programs that call and stand rest winzip cica don version latest this not long ago and initially imressed low winzip great progra long you unzip lets you vew files unzip selected files and even puts files checkout directory and creates checkout grp and group you want check program even prompts for deletion exit you didn program big problems zipping don konw specifics this ammount consistency sometimes zip files add file zip dos will violate and asked kind micro oft kind quit applications quit windows and restart computer don consistent this jdont zip and dos and use use run cmd happened added files existing zip file and created zip file selected files don happened zip entire dir nice interface and quite unzip ing functions fixed register ver for good run unzip zip will work ver that fixes peace mickey michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray make windows grp file reflect directory ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	boot sometimes fails article dbasson mattek csir dbasson mattek csir dominique basson writes dos never used area efff you cards that use this such lan card you this problem use efff your emm exe line config sys you run memmaker instruct retain inclusions and exclusions speaking that comp emmexclude efff that nature system ini file system file for windows wondering that line windows startup file will give memory dos apps disable you run windows that that line system file peace mickey michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray make windows grp file reflect directory ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mouse odometer you mouse odometer for windows for mac quite fun records distance miles that travels use advance steve steven ruegsegger you conservative you young smr cwru edu you heart you liberal you you brain
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	internationalization applications and muulti byte characters researching support platforms for applications use multi byte characters japanese kanji that unix and windows can support for standard depending level and platform support for wide characters exists mac windows and windows steve chesney slc catherine cim cdc metaphase technology inc voice north lexington avenue fax arden hills
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	changing startup logo article fidonet org doelle writes brad procedure used specially compress bmp file love use bmp files created logo screen chris origin chris doelle fidonet org don specifics compression algorithm used shareware program paintshop convert two you can download ftp cica indiana edu don file called directory you can start pub win scanning index files convert bmp file rle file you load bmp file and save select windows bitmap and compressed rle fairly intuitive don details ibm dumb terminal and can researching good luck brad smalling tech atlanta prism gatech edu
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	win lock mil dia stelth you can whenever run windows useing million color mode drivers supplyed diamond stelth will lock requireing full system reset break drivers that for windows for windows version windows useing setup kcach megs ram svga touch monitor interlaced ami bios and apreciated card work fine modes run windows mode and probs hopeing driver and not card problem paul gubbins cpt tiamat umd umich edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leaking memory resources this faq direct answer getting frustrated and for running win ndw meg memory and meg perm swap file and getting exceedingly frustrated that applications not giving back system resources close load windows start resources application programs run regularly wpwin winqvt lotus organizer etc not return resources exit day two work find resources even applications shell running aware this problem for suggestions mitigate software culprit win ndw applications modes win standard real enhanced plugging this leak system ini switches can set plug this leak people patches party software that this increasing managing system resources great market for party memory company qemm run progman ndw will leak subside hoping that ndw plugged this deals memory and resources writing code things can make likely code will eat resources suggestions that don for specifically for your this common problem and discussion net read answers publish sending email danny daniel david mittleman danny arizona edu
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	pcx folks question can generate pcx file word for windows can select postscript printer driver file can generate pcx file printer capture utility for windows that exists utility transfer format pcx format tiff format reply mail will give summary shiyu zhang syzhang ccit arizona edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	microsoft printing system that for this and basically advanced print manager lets you monitor your printing closely and comes bunch true type fonts this good bad worth
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	local windows shared windows discussion discussion install windows novell administrator point view phone access support and told that microsoft decided implement standard for software support local setup described below advantageous installation this true and microsoft deems this prudent installation will comply hear administrators local windows installation windows fully installed each workstation hard drive assuming resources network administrator implementation install windows disks network drive setup install windows per machine bases running setup network install complete system local drives this drivers setup procedure change disks advantages reduce traffic running windows locally reduces network traffic due local access main windows files network independence network fails and point another local installation users producing and reduce cost time faster windows theoretically windows will run faster local hard drive network this hard point prove network optical backbone and network drives significantly faster access local user traveling machine machine not worry varying setups monochrome color types mouse etc since windows installation assigned workstation disadvantages cost installing windows locally requires significant amount disk space workstations purchased hard disk that can increase cost workstation percent administration local windows installations difficult administer drivers for peripherals constantly made each individually installed each workstation security users access erase corrupt system files simple ignorance this result quite headache for administrators constantly repair damaged installations backup problems backing local hard disks backup sets centralized tape system large quickly backup individually floppy not happen this eliminated assumed that local hard disks replaceable applications and not user data shared windows installation windows fully installed network disk setup procedure described users administrators install minimal set files individual user directories directories local hard disk perhaps network home directory bulk windows system files maintained network single directory files and accessed shared needed users windows session user files consist small set files that user updated windows session include group files ini files and regularly updated files advantages single location for files makes updates drives easy updated driver becomes installed this single directory for users advantage assuming that users files maintained network home directories administrator can easily edit ini file needed correct problems that arise this includes win ini and system ini backup pertinent files easily even users files local hard disk bulk windows system backed driver updates disadvantages network traffic since windows files shared network directory traffic network can become problem effect speed windows network crashes production comes stop since window reliant network for files loss data occurs since users working windows time crash will not save work minimal disk space consideration users files maintained network large number users can significant utilization disk space due personal windows files alone users cannot easily move machine machine workstation hardware similar this due windows installation tied username case network user files discussion administrators large windows userbase prefer setting windows personally setup numerous installations shared setup windows and application files network utilization local hard disks fact sold network fact that company longer purchase hard disks for workstations and save that money recommendations for applications apps such word and excel installed locally windows installed files network for easy backup and administration this putting eggs basket network crashes work comes halt microsoft and your ideas this and insights great hope hear people actual working experience users and network administration
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	changing startup logo article apr seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes article fidonet org doelle fidonet org doelle writes brad monday april brad smalling wrote crosspost copy win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win unecessary grabbed this supercharging windows judd robbins great book this you can put your logo into windows startup trouble brad bmp will convert rle for fact that paintshop shareware cica desktop filename psvvv zip vvv ver number that not true and this will write your rle file bmp extension you rename your file that faq mine wont work for mend don agreed mixali your file fit vga size standard vga size you use vga screen cga ega svga thing vgalogo lgo you use another file not true your bmp colours true finally remember save your current win and put your win windows directory don start windows unecessary mickey path resistance wingif cica ftp cica indiana edu pub win desktop will save native rle format unlike psp fine fine prog make file that michael and colors import wingif gif pcx bmp and save you windows system subdir vgalogo rle not lgo exit win and run setup windows subdir reselect your current config run win voila minor correction rle file that means gif hope helps and put this group faq costas malamas georgia institute technology oit oit doesn pay share opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows zip unzip article sol deakin russ deakin russ sharp writes pkzip and interested hear people used windows programs that call full windows version that not call dos pkzip pkunzip commands russ sharp russ deakin edu fax winzip ftp cica indiana edu pub win util shell call dos good will arc arj and lzh fully supports pkzip shell unobtrusive that means you dont update letter alphabet version pkzip hope helps costas malamas georgia institute technology oit oit doesn pay share opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	tcp windows don computers bear question context use package called slip home computer connect university mainframe ibm running vms mvs and log account installed slip computer had configure for modem kbs etronics internal and had supply phone number dial reach mainframe works that type telnet uicvm uicvm will work dos prompt uicvm node name mainframe program dials mainframe establishes protocol and logon screen telnet and names batch files slip directory told that kermit protocol used for session problem this windows use dos directly slip will not run windows talked people computer center and suggested that use packet driver called winpkt slip gave instructions load start windows and modify tcpstart and tcpstop batch files slip directory ensure that work that and run slip windows problems for thing slip not hang phone exited had run communi cations program hang phone reboot computer that didn work for another errors connect mainframe computer center not support slip windows can back questions question shareware package that will run windows and slip supposed package that not expensive for shareware heard that regular commercial packages that this cost hundreds dollars main requirements run windows and ibm terminal emulation ftp file transfers since that kind mainframe modem modem etc ftp transfers made kermit protocol hazy that subsidiary feature that nice true windows program dos program modified run windows ability run session window concurrently applications and cut and paste telnet session and applications information received appreciated pankaj saxena uicvm uic edu
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	wierd problem cure poor computer insane problem running windows that appears memory related not limited windows that problems ths machine meg ram kcache trident tvga card pas soundcard windows runs slow time slower graphics draws fills slow boots slow applications sluggish dialog boxes seconds note windows applications funny things that related run slow mod player crashes system etc running borland running windows programs completely fixes problem windows will run fast run easily times faster for graphics don run don memory manager installed config sys installing emm exe not fix problem makes worse emm installed running will not fix problem anymore this problem driving nuts you you can reply mail evan
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows zip unzip article sol deakin russ deakin russ sharp writes pkzip and interested hear people used windows programs that call and stand rest full windows version that not call dos pkzip pkunzip commands you mean prog that doesn jump dos display and back create temp dos window recommend winzip ftp cica indiana edu afraid don file name version you find fully compatible ver and functional phil trodwell this space happy ram goddam volt cattle for rent prod into that tub you not cheap this radio hunter thompson
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	program manager kills group files article reiqj qtr access digex net bsmith access digex barry smith writes clue times enter win progman that rebuild group quite annoying had problem maxtor turned smartdrive bit disk access etc this disk aborts norton speed disk times requesting ndd run attempting defrag drive peoples suggestion reformatted drive and reloaded dos win scratch people found that installing top beta top caused similar problem this drastic solution problem reoccurred didn brains not load and dblespaced drive arround annoyance copying grp files gro message run file manager and copy offeniding group files gro ove rthe grp quit and restart windows group used important this sucks pretty that problem drive nsd problem will memory finals for weeks guy bought disk and system and fixes replaces drive can wait system that will run consistently hte goodies mike hayes knowledge good faber college motto www knowledge and thoroughness rensselear poly motto unemployed tech you groucho marx day races driven banging head engineering physics for years
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows und windows apr eurom rhein main hein eurom rhein main hein roehrig writes not whether area whether windows will include windows server that can run window applications remotely not insisting perfect safety for people don balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leaking memory resources apr bpavms bpa arizona edu dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes this faq direct answer getting frustrated and for running win ndw meg memory and meg perm swap file and getting exceedingly frustrated that applications not giving back system resources close aware this problem for suggestions mitigate software culprit win ndw applications modes win standard real enhanced plugging this leak applications that this even applets that ship win this problem solitaire for example system ini switches can set plug this leak that application doesn give back resources lost and forever pending restart windows people patches party software that this increasing managing system resources great market for party memory company qemm applications don free memory and lot don bugger that piece software can run progman ndw will leak subside hoping that ndw plugged this deals memory and resources this problem applications writing code things can make likely code will eat resources books written this general free that you for you exit understand that will internally lose resources for you avoid this suggestions that don for specifically for your this common problem and discussion net read answers publish sending email discussion inevitable manages come that will garbage collection resource pool insisting perfect safety for people don balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	allocate memory for disk copying file manager use file manager disk copy find that windows can read disk time disk problem memory ram allocat extended memory for disk copy advise this matter advance huayong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows und windows article apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall writes apr eurom rhein main hein eurom rhein main hein roehrig writes not whether area whether windows will include windows server that can run window applications remotely not you add information not for instance your source information kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu suny buffalo bitnet wxkp ubvms humpty dumpty electrical engineering wxkp ubvm
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	canon bubblejet and deskjet thomas fellrath edu edu wrote size another factor smaller built tank bet damaged you bet your bippy built tank and not mechanically this past weekend had nasty thunderstorm and impossible happened direct lightning strike house and second floor outlet box into faithful deskjet connected bullet sized hole aluminum siding solidified aluminum slag dripping you electrical box hole outlet fried and amazed damn house didn burn lost electric garage door openers vcr telephones opposite side house zyxel high speed modem vga monitor color monitor and parallel ports terminal and lan card not good night deskjet ran found functioning serial and parallel port connect ted slightly singed rypma panacom division waterloo ontario
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	quietwriter driver hold ibm quietwriter printer driver for windows such beast exists can suggest mail reply directly don read this group david brown dbrown mach wlu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	replacement for program maw ying yuan wrote yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu maw ying yuan subject replacement for program manager and file manager message juj news hawaii edu date thu apr gmt replacements for win program manager and file manager yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu plannet crafter plug for program manager listed bbs plugin add needed features progman such ability manage your groups change your cursor and icons fly constant status ram and resources quick menu drop menu dos commands app launcher neat stuff used liked and even reg you can find anywhere and zip and mail you shareware version aloha hope abandon enter messages slmr idc bbs usr hst usr bis alameda california home kingmail kingqwk and qwkmerge
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	actix video card drivers for windows apr gmt kym burgemeister kburg aelmg adelaide edu wrote apr jarvis csri toronto edu wongda eecg toronto edu daniel wong writes for latest drivers for actix graphics accelerator card driver version and doesn support colors mode even you memory bbs support for actix unbelievable bps modem will you hours download drivers hurts you calling long distance ftp site that collection video drivers for windows good drivers daniel wong uoft actix listening upload dang drivers ftp site pleeeeeeese local call and contact ftp site for uploading this not can disk and email request uuencoded provided that sends cource live penio penev internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info dos msw meltdown progressing nicely preferred applications development platform fortune corporations survey sentry market research survey percentages unix mainframe dos msw midrange this corporate computing page interesting greatest vapour project world not make difference you interesting rag this incredibly incompetent article opinion piece named robert ziff preposturous statements sun sold multiprocessing servers that case usc sun servers earth factor thought sending factual disaster email message column titled contact silly pcheads never heard internet interest world computer market share broad category dos windows netware unix ibm mainframe vax vms ibm minis macintosh totally billion projections idc source unix world jan unix hardware sales category billion installed base workstations million midrange million large scale unix million total ajay shah ajayshah rcf usc edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not post bitmaps pwiseman salmon usd edu cliff organization university south dakota subject roman bmp response requests for cool bitmaps posting date due resolution and size parts this uuencoded bitmap colors picture marbled gazebo desert blue sky background size for centered wallpaper display leaves border bottom big for icons fit top picture reguarding image quality and resolution not not this don rest you read news subscribe outernet system dial modem and download mail and news articles automatically posts huge attached binary file choice receive articles groups subscribe pay for connect time not problem modem and each day upload download session takes minutes today session lasted minutes roman bmp cost extra receive file that didn want place you cool bitmaps that you want make ways upload file ftp site ftp cica indiana edu complete windows section and people use newsgroups alt binaries pictures that file archives discussion groups don use discussion groups this send attached files size klein eklein spiff win net
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mouse driver article apr princeton edu phoenix princeton edu carlosn carlos niederstrasser writes documentation for mouse driver windows windows manual not come documentation turn and speed windows greater sensitivity needed can play games esp wing sensitivity changed parameter commands vertical sensitivity horizontal sensitivity follow parameter number slowest fastest default you can type command mouse keyboard add autoexec bat hope this helps
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not dos anymore article apr ugle unit eliza tigern elisabeth bull writes eliza tigern elisabeth bull subject not dos anymore date wed apr gmt mark woodruff cda ucf bitnet wrote this morning working research paper had reboot hung dos program that disk windows machine finished rebooting found windows directory and two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted stuff deleted this sounds happened month ago stacked stacker run dos suddenly hung and corrupted directories changed into unreadable files funny names words doubledisk part dos that troublesome use stacker and had trouble this disk compression experienced thing couple times disk compression stuff installed for example guess happened norton speeddisk once crashed defragmenting bjorn bjorn myrland bjorn myrland sipaa sintef sintef safety and reliability trondheim norway sintef foundation for scientific and industrial research norwegian institute technology
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	printer driver wanted for printer driver for apple imagewriter this printer citoh jim littlefield two things infinite universe hks and human stupidity and not albert einstein
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	question eisa video board performance article ubg world std cfw world std christopher wroten eisa machine and not understand eisa video cards match performance isa counterparts for instance eisa orchid pro designer iis fast isa diamond speedstar isn call fast don understand eisa video cards aren group level performance local bus cards that eisa video cards bit bus move data isa bits good question answer eisa bus move bits isa moves speed isa bus that mhz local bus designs move bits eisa move data cpu speed mhz mhz cpu local bus moving bit data mhz and eisa moving bit data mhz local bus times faster eisa mhz cpu eisa two times fast isa since not included pay higher cost for eisa video card performance and worse that cheaper isa video board such diamond speedstar magazine recent report that ati makes pretty fast eisa video card double wallet will spend and for diamond viper and left local bus mother board that good question eisa bus advantages isa bus width for example interrupts and bus mastering factors not impact video card impact file servers multiple hard drives full throttle network cards roms etc can shed light confusion frustration christopher wroten cfw world std
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows und windows article ybv acsu buffalo edu mongwa acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa whether windows will include windows server you add information not for instance your source information source for not comment rom and manuals for march beta windows server will even microsoft supplies vendors will doubt port recent newsletter hummingbird communications announced exceede uniforum announcement reads order price info guess rsn dev kit
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not dos anymore horror stories dos doubledisk and stacker killing hard drives wondering dos mirror command works doubled drive info normal fat table and partition table records vital doubledisk info daily long protecting type catastrophic failure discussed doesn shame microsoft
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	lockups enh mode floppy older motherboard keyboard controller and memory interleaving caching developed problem copy files floppy machine lock reset button required enhanced mode this occurs norton desktop file manager and install software running win standard mode works fine run into this ideas appreciated david yon world std
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leaking memory resources dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes this faq direct answer getting frustrated and for running win ndw meg memory and meg perm swap file and getting exceedingly frustrated that applications not giving back system resources close noticed this explained that windows not clear upper memory blocks program this
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dos novell netware friend mine installed dos work and hooked novell network running netware problem that doublespace program drive swap drive confliting networks mapped drives switch place swap drive someother drive mail bunch mahbub cleveland freenet edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	put swap file ide scsi and recently added scsi drive system adaptec busmastering controller yesterday ran coretest find drive performance and values seagate meg sec avg seek track track quantum meg scsi sec avg seek track track good results don typical values wondering swap file ide move scsi faster not use bit access actuall make slower drive put swap file results swap file speed test program finally ran tests aspi dos driver loaded and difference whatsoever performance reason load this driver advance will post summary responses eric
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	emm and windows almost exclusively run windows dos based application procommplus config sys emm loaded option noems expanded memory thread comp newsgroups read that emm loaded manual that emm used expanded memory extended memory since noems option that emm device useless case use emm remove config sys for your eric
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info dos msw meltdown progressing nicely ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes preferred applications development platform fortune corporations survey sentry market research survey percentages unix mainframe dos msw midrange this corporate computing page interesting greatest vapour project world not make difference world computer market share broad category dos windows netware unix ibm mainframe vax vms ibm minis macintosh projections idc source unix world jan sombody data wrong since mac finder systerm you want call doesn survey tend doubt results sombody wrote doesn mean correct carl zmola cicero spc uchicago edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	put swap file ide scsi article apr oracle oracle ebosco oracle writes and recently added scsi drive system adaptec busmastering controller yesterday ran coretest find drive performance and values seagate meg sec avg seek track track quantum meg scsi sec avg seek track track good results don typical values pretty typical wondering swap file ide move scsi faster not use bit access actuall make slower drive put swap file results swap file speed test program swap file ide bit access worth fair amount
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	desktop fonts changing users unusual problem alt tab full screen dos program back windows desktop fonts changed back full screen dos program and back windows font changed back default font not major problem works and font legible annoying idea this happens dec machine jeffrey cohen voice office for research fax university albany mail uacsc albany edu state university york washington ave albany
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	replacement for program manager and file manager yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu maw ying yuan writes suggest shareware replacements for win program manager and file manager and ftp site located advance for mail response post your response interested this you wayne long internet wcl risc sps mot william cannon drive west texas edu oakhill risc wcl austin texas phone fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows upgrade thinking upgrading beta version windows mhz hard disc can give opion such setup for running and operating system likely windows unix steve king ceres
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	video board plan upgrading monitor and video card isa local bus system can drop email your experience high resolution video board monitor ming lin mlin ichips intel
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	vesa driver for ibm xga can find standard vesa display driver that will support motherboard xga video ibm model use and higher resolutions windows and dos minimum colors highest resolution colors needed gary michael phone associate director fax office for information management mail gmichael vmd cso uiuc edu university illinois david kinley hall novanet gary michael duosoft cerl west gregory drive urbana
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	fast display adaptors for windows friend and ati graphic ultra display adaptors and good performers had irritating compatibility problems ati drivers and ready change faster and compatible windows heard rumblings that orchid card fast experience this card that fast compatible interlaced and cost ken keirnan ken keirnan pacific bell kjkeirn srv pacbell san ramon california
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	emm and windows almost exclusively run windows dos based application procommplus config sys emm loaded option noems expanded memory thread comp newsgroups read that emm loaded manual that emm used expanded memory extended memory since noems option that emm device useless case use emm remove config sys for your eric emm noems enables system use upper memory and that good place for device drivers dos kernal etc
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters microsoft largest software company planet cannot even computing concept that innovated and brought market xerox parc apple osborne gnu and pioneers and led future computing microsoft technological leader posted this question nary reply make challenge can come microsoft employees response this time guess pretty assures that suspect kurt bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar duke edu durham
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters microsoft largest software company planet cannot even computing concept that innovated and brought market xerox parc apple osborne gnu and pioneers and led future computing microsoft technological leader posted this question nary reply make challenge can come microsoft employees response this time guess pretty assures that suspect you come cares hope getting usable productive software masses thx dave
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dos novell netware article rre usenet ins cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mahbub anam writes friend mine installed dos work and hooked novell network running netware problem that doublespace program drive swap drive confliting networks mapped drives switch place swap drive someother drive mail bunch mahbub cleveland freenet edu determine last dblspace drive required and set that lastdrive your config sys you you want couple drives higher give you shared drive space reboot and novell will set drive lastdrive config sys you remap your novell drives originally mapped lower drives make that bat file you log novell set correct drive lastdrive setting config sys file
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	winlogo substitute exciting win opening logo for company logo boot time this matter replacing logo file logo and format company logo avdean
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info dos msw meltdown progressing nicely ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes preferred applications development platform fortune corporations survey sentry market research survey unix mainframe dos msw development house apps not apps sold open market statistics that laughable simply mean that not shrink wrapped usable apps for unix and developed disproportionately compared installed unix base
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina once wrote microsoft largest software company planet cannot even computing concept that innovated and brought market xerox parc apple osborne gnu and pioneers and led future computing microsoft technological leader posted this question nary reply make challenge can come microsoft employees response this time guess pretty assures that suspect you come cares hope getting usable productive software masses personally blasphemous and that microsoft hope harsher stricter copyright and patent laws for computer algorithms concepts interfaces and intellectual properties protect real innovators hate innovate and microsoft come huge vulture and use brute mass development staff marketing etc fat innovation don that sympathy for apple complaint microsoft since ideas xerox research center federal government forced xerox disclose patents antitrust fears for companies and individuals great idea borrowed larger corporations can afford quickly bring market licensing original innovator feel sympathy larry larry weeks fight monsters make that dev ecn purdue edu process not become monster and you long into abyss abyss into you friedrich nietszche
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	western digital driver that this question asked don remember answers ftp site driver reside checked cica and not refering version driver that serve hesitate meg bps alternativly paradise mail drivers don that finally even worth hassle getting things not improvement version for info peter peter wecker yrj internet pswecker med unc edu pswecker uncmed dept physiology univ north carolina chapel hill
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	change icon for program windows suppose you want change icon for program windows such dos you can this million chad toelle toelle evansville edu philip vernon uunet evansville edu toelle
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	required file format word for window file doc develop utility view word for window file that format doc word for window file format files can format doc file direct can proprietory format your greatly appriciated
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	wanted font creator package free for company logo documents and figure easiest put into font public domain programs that can this shareware that will this appreciated paul paul wilson pwilson gandalf
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article news duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu duke edu kurt bollacker writes kdb sunbar duke edu duke edu kurt bollacker subject challenge microsoft supporters date apr gmt microsoft largest software company planet cannot even computing concept that innovated and brought market xerox parc apple osborne gnu and pioneers and led future computing microsoft technological leader posted this question nary reply make challenge can come microsoft employees response this time guess pretty assures that suspect kurt bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar duke edu durham invented make money ideas made money weren air wrong time admit billg damn smart guy can make money almost useless products useless even you time dos written stinked choose marketing guy world choose good that almost hates use stuff thomasez not perfect perfect for you shavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalessha vethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavet hewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavebillgatesshavethewhalesshavethew halesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhal esshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhaless
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	vesa driver for ibm xga gmichael vmd cso uiuc edu gmichael vmd cso uiuc edu gary michael writes can find standard vesa display driver that will support motherboard xga video ibm model use and higher resolutions windows and dos minimum colors highest resolution colors needed ibm xga svga vesa driver reference diskette ibm bbs compu erve you can bang your sales rep you version dick kaul opinions not official ibm positions etc ibm xga development make wear suit speak for ibm boca raton use unnecessary violence apprehension kaul vnet ibm blues brothers approved
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	redirect print manager file hpcc corp reed hpcc corp perry reed writes hpcc comp windows misc nctu edu swh apr can can find shareware can capture windows output printer mananger you planning this regular basis conncting printer file can become bothersome windows asks you for filename that you want create found that putting line system ini ports section path and filename works problem that you send job second deletes chris cmj acsu buffalo edu christopher johnson pgp public key encryption for masses disclaimer didn that pgp encrypted mail pgp public key pgp public keys toxicwaste mit edu orwell correct had year wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	telnet terminal for windows for good terminal program that will connect tcp windows basic window that connect unix host great suggestions peter kocks kocks chemistry stanford edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters innovated you come cares hope getting usable productive software masses lets products don major bugs release bugs generally cleared even customers buy releases that bug fixes buys computer system and runs windows desperate sympathy wait innovated plastic housing mouse didn logitech inside personally blasphemous and that microsoft hope harsher stricter copyright and patent laws for computer algorithms concepts interfaces and intellectual properties protect real innovators hate innovate and microsoft come huge vulture and use brute mass development staff marketing etc fat innovation don that sympathy for apple complaint microsoft since ideas xerox research center federal government forced xerox disclose patents antitrust fears for companies and individuals great idea borrowed larger corporations can afford quickly bring market licensing original innovator feel sympathy larry larry weeks fight monsters make that dev ecn purdue edu process not become monster and you long into abyss abyss into you friedrich nietszche you can even call secondary creativity company gathers together bunch knock packages and peddles neophytes appears appears that finding that throwing money technological problems means guaranteed solution kenton cmu edu fixes broken windows
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows upgrade article rrhe inn ceres kingston ceres kingston steve warner writes thinking upgrading beta version windows mhz hard disc can give opion such setup for running and operating system likely windows unix steve king ceres windows since october release and that march release big improvement windows becomming usable things you make leap for that you cannot full speed dos box mean cannot for instance run falcon resourse intensive program dos box absolutley crawls and machine and ram fast dos box full screen for that matter second thing not drivers for stuff for instance pas demoted running sound blaster natively supported nice mediavision hasn produced drivers your disk large dos partition and give rest windows thing whenever you wanted run windows programs you reboot and log into windows typing win windows stable normal windows good choice you resources you ram last thing modems work fax card work and never heard unix runs killer software box unix isn availablity guess comes windows not for faint heart beta good beta scott reimert reimert mamacass etdesg trw standard disclaimer redondo beach blah blah blah store beer cool dark place
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows und windows ybv acsu buffalo edu mongwa acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa writes article apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall writes apr eurom rhein main hein eurom rhein main hein roehrig writes not whether area whether windows will include windows server that can run window applications remotely not you add information not for instance your source information copy isn microsoft will not release version asked not told you insisting perfect safety for people don balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	telnet terminal for windows article apr leland stanford edu kocks chemistry stanford edu peter kocks writes for good terminal program that will connect tcp windows basic window that connect unix host great suggestions winqvt net latest version qvt net comes versions that direct packet driver nfs version priced quite low registration student registration and nice package comes complete terminal emulation ftp pop client lpr and nntp client you can ftp biochemistry bioc cwru edu pub qvtnet qvtnet zip uploaded ftp cica indiana edu recently ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department biochemistry tel cwru school medicine cleveland ohio fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows zip unzip pwb aerg canberra edu paul blackman writes article sol deakin russ deakin russ sharp writes pkzip and interested hear people used windows programs that call and stand rest full windows version that not call dos pkzip pkunzip commands russ quinzip windows version don handles functions dos version problem that quinzip slow that winzip choice use pkzip windows denis simard montreal simardde ere umontreal
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	changing startup logo previous article louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis wrote article fidonet org doelle fidonet org doelle writes brad monday april brad smalling wrote crosspost since don your setup copy win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win grabbed this supercharging windows judd robbins great book this you can put your logo into windows startup another thing this windows faq your file that faq mine wont work for mend don files limited total size win cfn vgalogo log your rle file your rle file rob resemblance views and rob faculty advisor terminal mohns view window purely coinci dental richard traina not rmohns vax support views doesn clarku edu want clarkies
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	cool bmp files adair atldbs dbsoftware owen adair writes article apr dlss james dlss james cummings writes newsgroups comp windows misc path atldbs uupsi psinntp uunet gatech howland reston ans net bogus sura net darwin sura net convex seas smu edu void dalnet dlss james james dlss james cummings subject cool bmp files message apr dlss organization redrock development references apr gmuvax gmu edu distribution usa date tue apr gmt lines article apr gmuvax gmu edu rwang gmuvax gmu edu john wang writes guess subject getting boring bmp files that windows wondering body beautiful bmp file can share can ftp site for bmp files scenery files animals files etc used delete give response kinda wallpaper use original gif called not real artist name and logo lower corner you will vga and this sized for color screens use this your windows directory and not tile hope you enjoy this for size not post name you email you enjoy dave bushong wang laboratories inc amateur radio callsign project leader recognition products ary noca internet dbushong wang
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info dos msw meltdown progressing nicely apr bert eecs uic edu zmola bert eecs uic edu carl zmola writes sombody data wrong since mac finder systerm you want call doesn survey tend doubt results sombody wrote doesn mean correct note that two tables don talk population fortune companies favoring platform primary application platform sales not fortune fortune companies don lot development mac top platform expect that that explain discrepancy insisting perfect safety for people don balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	question eisa video board performance apr hubcap clemson edu charlea eng clemson edu charles allen writes article ubg world std cfw world std christopher wroten eisa machine and not understand eisa video cards match performance isa counterparts for instance eisa orchid pro designer iis fast isa diamond speedstar isn call fast don understand eisa video cards aren group level performance local bus cards that eisa video cards bit bus move data isa bits good question answer eisa bus move bits isa moves speed isa bus that mhz local bus designs move bits eisa move data cpu speed mhz mhz cpu local bus moving bit data mhz and eisa moving bit data mhz local bus times faster eisa mhz cpu eisa two times fast isa expect eisa board twice fast isa board not you moving data path twice wide difference number clocks required for bus transactions two busses isa boards require multiple clocks per bus transaction typically this eisa boards suppose burst rate expect performance that isa card guess for question unanswered expect speed difference and apparently not insisting perfect safety for people don balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	emm and windows article ardie cso uiuc edu ardie cso uiuc edu ardie mack writes almost exclusively run windows dos based application procommplus config sys emm loaded option noems expanded memory thread comp newsgroups read that emm loaded manual that emm used expanded memory extended memory since noems option that emm device useless case use emm remove config sys for your eric emm noems enables system use upper memory and that good place for device drivers dos kernal etc thought that highmem sys that emm config sys and loading drivers high mouse vga shadow bios dos key etc haven checked mem managed load high and since emm windows loads slightly faster extra meg freemem windows running enhanced meg ram meg swap and rid ctrl alt del reboot problem computer not reboot ctrl alt del exiting windows emm config sys info this eric
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	desktop fonts changing article uacsc albany edu uacsc albany edu writes users unusual problem alt tab full screen dos program back windows desktop fonts changed back full screen dos program and back windows font changed back default font not major problem works and font legible annoying idea this happens dec machine consolation had similar problem recall exited dos session full screen mode menu titles had changed scrambled version icon title font that started happening used icontitlefacename win ini change desktop font arial stopped exiting dos sessions full screen mode mac used similar aren computers weird mark hadfield hadfield wao greta cri niwa oceanographic taihoro nukurangi evans bay greta point telephone box kilbirnie fax wellington zealand
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters kenton shaver andrew cmu edu writes lets products don major bugs release bugs generally cleared even generally second major release takes care advice based plenty personal experience never buy version microsoft this includes major version number upgrades previous releases such microsoft wait for upgrade slipstream upgrade you buy san francisco granola fruits and nuts and you left flakes
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article apr samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes microsoft largest software company planet cannot even computing concept that innovated and brought market xerox parc apple osborne gnu and pioneers and led future computing microsoft technological leader posted this question nary reply make challenge can come microsoft employees response this time guess pretty assures that suspect you come cares hope getting usable productive software masses thx dave you that windows useable you not use windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir air bag expensive add brett brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng edu cincy catch cats college engineering you can friends don friends windows wittism week that wrong ism you ferrish bueller
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not post bitmaps downloaded posted bitmaps original poster quite alternative posting comp binaries windows and letting good idea post article number peace micke michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray make windows grp file reflect directory ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leaking memory resources article csn org richardf teal csn org iriemon writes dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes running win ndw meg memory and meg perm swap file and getting exceedingly frustrated that applications not giving back system resources close noticed this explained that windows not clear upper memory blocks program this post similar back windows not free sys resources applllication that application that job left application that application clean quits utility for windows will clean sys resources application quits mother zip peace mickey michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray make windows grp file reflect directory ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	changing startup logo long running discussion changing startup logo for windows for weeks copy methods great haven mention program that will for you found cica called winlogo can remember unfortuantely and work real even comes couple example rle files create rle files specifically rle format mentioned winlogo readme file can point direction such beast real directory path mentioned didn pan mail oddjob plymouth edu vms andys psc plymouth edu disclaimer end user software that avenue for user week modification programmability not user friendly
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	print file print file situation home word for windows printer work windows postscript printer not word configure machine home use postscript printer and use print file option produces nice postscript file bring work question print this postscript file print manager work for example select print file manager treats postscript text file and pages postscript gibberish that can open dos window and copy file work not multitask applications run slowly and pause for seconds passing postscript file print manager can find mention documentation this michael clase memorial university newfoundland mclase riemann math mun
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article bgzv uceng edu bferrell ant occ edu brett ferrell writes article apr samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes microsoft largest software company planet cannot even computing concept that innovated and brought market xerox parc apple osborne gnu and pioneers and led future computing microsoft technological leader posted this question nary reply make challenge can come microsoft employees response this time guess pretty assures that suspect you come cares hope getting usable productive software masses thx dave you that windows useable you not use windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir air bag expensive add brett ladies gentlemen this discussion comp windows advocacy belongs you john grant jagrant emr emr airborne geophysics geological survey canada ottawa john grant jagrant emr emr airborne geophysics geological survey canada ottawa
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	emm and windows article ardie cso uiuc edu ardie cso uiuc edu ardie mack almost exclusively run windows dos based application procommplus config sys emm loaded option noems expanded memory thread comp newsgroups read that emm loaded emm noems enables system use upper memory and that good place for device drivers dos kernal etc emm not reqired load dos kernal high you couldn mail message recommended that remove since runs procomplus frequently dos and suspect emm will slow windows charles cballen clemson edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leaking memory resources interesting table showing resources application and back shut this windows user issue application min resource use resource not returned gdi user gdi user winsleuth gold word for windows lotus arts and leters powerpoint corel draw micro designer crosstalk excel hijacck image color pro picture publisher powerleads executive adobe type manager skylight numbers percentage and decreasing order this table tells you you frequently start and exit program that doesn give back resources you continually lose resouces open programs once and leave open btw people can add this list application watch for doug
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	change icon for program windows article apr uenics evansville edu toelle uenics evansville edu chad toelle writes suppose you want change icon for program windows such dos you can this depends wether you replace this icon that comes standard windows icon icon manager that comes windows highlight item clicking once click file and properties you box change icon click you presented icons sometimes you don presented click browse box and for file moricons dll select browse icons presented and double click your desired icon you want replace icon icon manager iconpower for instance open icon manager bottom your screen will not block application icon you replace you found your desired icon click once and holding mouse button pull this icon you change and thats regards kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu state univeristy bitnet wxkp ubvms humpty dumpty york buffalo wxkp ubvm
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leaking memory resources dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes this faq direct answer getting frustrated and for running win ndw meg memory and meg perm swap file and getting exceedingly frustrated that applications not giving back system resources close lines deleted danny daniel david mittleman danny arizona edu danny working shareware toolbar found eating resources and wise person pointed sdk and specifically debug kernel once you sdk stuff installed this comes you run normal debug swap debug kernel runs slower you execute command dbwin and report you you find lot your apps you cared and possibly peoples apps that opa this doesn make sense repost mail dave dave campbell wynapse wynapse wynapse indirect shareware custom control source
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	for organizer for organizer program for windows lotus organizer not bad for calender scheduler list nice additions address phone book diary suggestions shareware public copyrighted email sthong eniac seas upenn edu steven hong email address sthong eniac seas upenn edu university pennsylvania engineering class
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leaking memory resources article apr seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes article csn org richardf teal csn org iriemon writes dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes running win ndw meg memory and meg perm swap file and getting exceedingly frustrated that applications not giving back system resources close noticed this explained that windows not clear upper memory blocks program this post similar back windows not free sys resources applllication that application that job left application that application clean quits utility for windows will clean sys resources application quits mother zip peace mickey that your shell hogging resources for example open apps data files that resulting low system resources ndw shell program manager and shell apps ted
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	wfworkgroups server deaf observed this behaviour and you cure workstation wfw network deaf form communication workstations network workstatons can interact time deaf workstation set share discs etc machine ram diamond stealth video behaves this variety bit network adapters including smc elite behaves use windows vga driver diamond drivers
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows and ati ultra mach chip sizing question upgraded trident tvga ati graphics ultra mach chip quite pleased performance problem windows noticed that tile bars and scroll bars significantly larger trident card setting ini files that can change make smaller not find faq for this list mike mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	laser jet and windows had chance find laser jet behaves windows daniel royer
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	roman bmp don post uuencoded bitmaps you want put alt binaries areas files large and crash users newsfeeds waste band width convert gif bmp programs not worth posting bmp files kirk membry age age industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters stuff deleted microsoft bferrell ant occ edu brett ferrell writes you that windows useable you not use windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir air bag expensive add brett you read advertisements crash protection such marketing gimick isn funny months windows machine had crash once and don run mill configuration microsoft not leader innovation build mousetrap wrong that larry ludes ludwig twice clemson university compsci undergrad you never heard ludes hubcap clemson edu apple ludes clemson clemson edu steve jobs
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	wordperfect for windows install wordperfect for windows computer running meg ram and meg virtual mem setting for windows getting errors run tells that don memory disk space since megs free assuming that don memory can takes run this beast stealth dave destill mtu edu you caught this address internet will deny responsibility use this mail will destruct seconds
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info dos msw meltdown progressing nicely article messinac iho netcom messina netcom tony porczyk writes ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes preferred applications development platform fortune corporations survey sentry market research survey unix mainframe dos msw development house apps not apps sold open market statistics that laughable simply mean that not shrink wrapped usable apps for unix and developed disproportionately compared installed unix base you surprised find that not develops mainstream dos and windows apps develops dos windows week recently printed rumor that microsoft excel development group development another trade rag article recently group windows development sun sparcstations softpc test work sco unix and popular development platform for dos windows and even apps dos and windows simply not robust stable for development work imho and apparently agree marc fraioli mfraioli grebyn minimalist
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes stuff deleted microsoft bferrell ant occ edu brett ferrell writes you that windows useable you not use windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir air bag expensive add brett you read advertisements crash protection such marketing gimick isn funny months windows machine had crash once and don run mill configuration microsoft not leader innovation build mousetrap wrong that larry ludes ludwig twice clemson university compsci undergrad you never heard ludes hubcap clemson edu apple ludes clemson clemson edu steve jobs sound funny will admit for true windows crashed time and read mag this not exception each windows app vdm and can touch each generally aren supposed windows works for you great this people don choice windows doesn crash you and you don mind waiting each task and not adress your memory dos key reasons for use even fight brett brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng edu cincy catch cats college engineering you can friends don friends windows wittism week that wrong ism you ferrish bueller
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes stuff deleted microsoft bferrell ant occ edu brett ferrell writes you that windows useable you not use windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir air bag expensive add brett you read advertisements crash protection such marketing gimick isn funny months windows machine had crash once and don run mill configuration wow you use for single tasked word processing files loaded and virtual machine ram friend street gripes that can even format floppy background unix people love used multi tasking systems microsoft not leader innovation build mousetrap wrong that bad hold gun mouse piper throw mice trap work kenton cmu edu fixes broken windows
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bmp format mean article robertsa unix tcd robertsa unix tcd andrew roberts writes exactly windows bitmap format mean data stored width height colours bitmap data couldn find ths user manual reference material give this information thomas sunshine kodak thomas kinsman newsgroups comp windows programmer misc alt binaries pictures utilities subject dib bmp creation guide requested keywords dib bmp bitmaps file formats message dec kodak kodak date dec gmt sender news kodak kodak organization precambiran electronics rochester lines xref cradle titech comp windows programmer misc guide creation dib images thomas kinsman precambrian electronics falstaff rochester thomask kodak copyright march abstract format images created for use windows applications documented windows programmer reference guide this guide intended clearify wording specifications and put recommendation alternatives send updates corrections suggestions and revisions for writing this time keeping name document you for your respect this document copyright thomas kinsman desired postscript version this document this information free you you pay for don sue wrong overview dib image file format intended device independent bitmap file format microsoft means device independent unclear pixel resolutions supported bit bit bit and bit pixels images intended for use dos ibm endian systems you creating another architecture you will byte swap short and long integer values convention dib images end extension bmp this march super set earlier bitmap image files you will sometimes hear dib files referred bmp files since dib images files super set flavors dib images dos dib images recommended convention and form will describe create intended for applications running windows dos environment dib images understanding that flavor dib images that used presentation manager style bitmap images march differences flavors dos dib images consist bitmapfileheader file header identifies file dib file this header total size image file and offset image data bitmapinfoheader image header specifies image attributes optional palette colors used image exists this entries each entry windows rgbquad structure image data dib images consist bitmapfileheader file header identifies file dib file this header total size image file and offset image data bitmapcoreheader image header specifies image attributes optional palette colors used image this exists entries each entry windows rgbtriple structure image data style image bitmap consists bitmapinfoheader bitmapcoreheader header type determined long integer dword optional color palette this palette composed windows rgbquad structures header bitmapinfoheader windows rgbtriple structures header bitmapcoreheader image data creating dib image files creating dos dib image file consists straight forward steps headers created and written file header structures defined windows windows include file palette information stored for images that not bit images general steps filling bitmapfileheader and bitmapinfoheader structures basic image information image bit bit bit image creating color palette rgbquads calculating total file size and putting this information march bfsize field bitmapfileheader calculating offset image data start file and putting this bfoffbits field bitmapfileheader writing file bitmapfileheader bitmapinfoheader color palette and image data that order sections describe structures terms microsoft type defined keywords table describes keywords for not familiar microsoft type defined keywords microsoft typedef meaning byte unsigned character word two byte unsigned integer dword byte unsigned integer march bitmapfileheader this structure defined windows typedef struct tagbitmapfileheader word bftype dword bfsize word bfreserved word bfreserved dword bfoffbits bitmapfileheader bftype field two ascii characters and this serves identify file dib image file intel byte ordered machine ibm compatible this constant can formed quantity intel system bfsize field total size file for purposes this field equal size bitmapfileheader size bitmapinfoheader number entries color palette times size rgbquad number bytes image data image data written uncompressed form this can calculated ahead time this field filled bfreserved and bfreserved fields set bfoffbits field set offset start image data start file for purposes this field set size bitmapfileheader size bitmapinfoheader number entries color palette times size rgbquad this works image data written write color palette exists march bitmapinfoheader this structure defined windows typedef struct tagbitmapinfoheader dword bisize dword biwidth dword biheight word biplanes word bibitcount dword bicompression dword bisizeimage dword bixpelspermeter dword biypelspermeter dword biclrused dword biclrimportant bitmapinfoheader bisize field set size bitmapinfoheader structure reading image file this used determine that image contains bitmapinfoheader and not bitmapcoreheader biwidth field width image image pixels biheight field height image image lines biplanes field set this data written color plane bibitcount field bit depth image this depending bit depth image data bicompression field tells image data compressed compressed dib images support two forms run length encoding never images use and don works set this field long that data not compressed subsequent fields bitmapinfoheader structure set requirement interpretting software that compute fields previous information field you want explicitly biclrused for bit and bit images this field that not color entries used and that image contains biclrused colors you colors bit image you want save palette entries generally set this field march color palettes each entry color palette rgbquad structure rgbquad structure defined windows include file typedef struct tagrgbquad byte rgbblue byte rgbgreen byte rgbred byte rgbreserved rgbquad rgbreserved field for each color used amount blue green and red filled into structure and structure written file rgbblue rgbgreen rgbred fields that that component not contribute color composition fields that component contributes fully color composition image data surprises ordering image data dib image file creator this format determined creative and image data each line written padded byte quantity you had bit image pixel wide you write bytes for image line number bytes per line can calculated bytes per line width pix bit depth terms fields bitmapinfoheader structure bytes per line biwidth bibitcount writing your image data you write bottom line bottom line image you screen line image data file for bit bit and bit images information written you expect bit images padded pixels byte bit images padded two pixels byte bit images written pixel per byte twenty bit images written bytes per pixel for bit images information written order blue green red image file formats write data march rgb ordering dib image file writes data bgr ordering summary this provide information create dib images applications such scanners for image exporting routines you find dib images pass information that can modify this document accordingly march thomas kinsman rochester thomas acadia kodak practice random kindness and senseless acts beauty anon ito takayuki yuki tokyo senior department infomation science faculty science university tokyo japan
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article uceng edu bferrell ant occ edu brett ferrell writes article hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes munch you read advertisements crash protection such marketing gimick isn funny months windows machine had crash once and don run mill configuration munch reformatted sound funny will admit for true windows crashed time and read mag this not exception that massive crash problems exceedingly rare windows almost never crashes can crashed errant application personal favorite corel programs hand had crash randomly number times running applications for instance today discovered downloading procomm for windows running seamless standard vga drivers run mill vga card decided that wanted edit copy quote that wanted add finger since learned not trust seamless fired full screen winos session whoops download finished winos loading had pointer hit alt escape back desktop lot fonts loading takes good long blam screen trashed procomm hangs can sorta mouse clicked minimized winos session and back fullscreen windows session color red and green and yellow and brown blues and greys closed this and back desktop fully restored sitting window open longer connected port exited normal told online and hang hung load anothe bad idea shutdown and reboot refresh shutdown closed nothing happening windows list comes shutdown huh alright wait seconds running slow hmm running shutdown nothing reboot enjoy checkdisk time this case part crashed not isn even smart compromised guess everyday specifically today use each windows app vdm and can touch each generally aren supposed that idea truth program crashes will bring system programs that gpf windows programs that fine dos and windows bring screaming halt task protection for instance wondering print preview windowed dos locks system works fine dos even dos box windows admittedly doesn crash run full screen time this bug big bit hard windows works for you great this people don choice windows doesn crash you and you don mind waiting each task explain time wait windows copying formatting floppy printing and even not long pages dumped printman per minute and can things slowly this downloaded printing and not adress your memory dos not you mean sees megs six for use you want count winos windows sees megs you count disk cache for for memory efficiency big issue geos current king intel desktop key reasons for use even fight hand finally confidence that and windows bit hardware sensitivity for instance machine sitting runs fine machine constantly locks windows ran hitch once crash install lot sensitive windows suppose machines that windows doesn wittism week that wrong ism you ferrish bueller wasn this ferris bueller stupid laws and stupider normal laws
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	required file format word for window file doc article cosmosc bcz kee netcom cosmos netcom cosmos writes develop utility view word for window file that format doc word for window file format files can format doc file direct can proprietory format your greatly appriciated format for word for windows doc files microsoft call developer support services number don handy and for word for windows binary file format spec warning not terribly and you will lot you can figure stuff stored general primer word for windows stores data two chunks chunk actual text file this stored together and nothing text and graphics second chunk formatting information for general use read word for windows file skip bytes file general header read remaining text you hit binary data matt
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article wam umd edu rsrodger wam umd edu yamanari writes article uceng edu bferrell ant occ edu brett ferrell writes article hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes and not adress your memory dos not you mean sees megs six for use you want count winos windows sees megs you count disk cache for for memory efficiency big issue geos current king intel desktop assumed referring bit flat model addressing dos and windows use bit segmented addressing programmer agree that segmentation unnecessarily complicates things annoying windows user don and doubt people even care writing document calcing spreadsheet etc works and work neutral comment funny arguments windows sound similar arguments atheism christianity that personal people convictions irrational and nothing wrong that interesting brad smalling tech atlanta prism gatech edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters rsrodger wam umd edu yamanari writes that massive crash problems exceedingly rare windows almost never crashes can crashed errant application personal favorite corel programs hand had crash randomly number times running applications that ibm systems slc absolutely problem never had random crash running programs fact don remember crashing don run programs bunch dos and windows stuff that running and had slc this slc system running dos windows had crash and consistent ftp had tendency crash whenever large files fast clients dtr sec figured problem smartdrv write buffering turned write buffer work fine ftp never locked can even format floppies use cited example superiority for instance wondering print preview windowed dos locks system yeah guess willing admit that somewhat sensitive specific hardware for dos works perfectly fine slc explain time wait windows copying formatting floppy printing and even not long pages dumped printman per minute and can things slowly this downloaded printing save personal files floppy and that windows floppy save large file hung system found quite bothersome continually tweak tasking options fractint for dos whenever wanted fractal computation background and not address your memory dos not you mean idea that dos sessions can memory windows dos sessions xpl shareware calculus program free conventional memory lets bigger symbolic manipulations straight dos conventional ram found handy for dos based programs writing handle larger data sets simulate for iterations etc point moot since programs write simply never run into memory limitations never programmed for windows don comparison
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info dos msw meltdown progressing nicely mfraioli grebyn marc fraioli writes messina netcom tony porczyk writes ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes preferred applications development platform unix dos msw development house apps not apps sold open market statistics that laughable you surprised find that not develops mainstream dos and windows apps develops dos windows week recently printed rumor that microsoft excel development group development you that nice piece for swamp for you for development microsoft even techpubs windows another trade rag article recently group windows development sun sparcstations softpc test work that wasn geo works dos and windows simply not robust stable for development work imho and apparently agree nonsense make fun windows time simply myth that microsoft novell and dominate market
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	coda music finale and petrucci font problem final coda for time suddenly stopped fonts lots disk space and memory postscript laser win finale and recently installed atm fiddling windows setup for time and needed work finale things didn print properly and not installation atm don atm lying anomore annoying problem that petrucci font didn print important font managed direct printing work included ownps finale section win ini compile postscript listing doesn work and eps files eps files generated font appears courier found that manually changed courier point petrucci point eps file worked avoid that since lot songs work and special font font names dialog box fonts listed correct mapping finale screen and printer fonts finale aware fonts since direct printing score works that included ownps and windows applications print petrucci and fonts encountered problems this current version finale coda music software people coda internet grateful for hints and mats internet mats gar quikcomm mats gar genor serverp mats garp mats tande oslo telemax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	can make mpeg sound install wav driver speaker install mpeg phoenix oulu pub incoming mpeg mpegexe zip windows load mpeg file and make sound type wav mpeg error load mpeg file wav file wav select sound type wav normal and error can hear sound fix sounddrv number mfw ini thankx for internet address nctu edu english name erik wang chinese name wang jyh shyang national chiao tung university taiwan
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not dos anymore article apr hubcap clemson edu charlea eng clemson edu writes horror stories dos doubledisk and stacker killing hard drives wondering dos mirror command works doubled drive info normal fat table and partition table records vital doubledisk info daily long protecting type catastrophic failure discussed doesn shame microsoft mirror dos commands that didn survive change dos dropped backup join edlin and couple crummy dos commands you can use commands you absolutely not included distribution disks mirror case that not doublespaced drives eric eric trepanier internet eric tgm cam org grenon laval quebec canada another beer
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	windows beta wondering beta version windows and part beta program gel binkley mcgill reply mail
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	novell and windows working workstation attached novell network shell version workstation set run windows network year ago needless upgrade windows and work network basically windows files local hard drive dos applications word perfect will network want windows access network drives network printers and perhaps handle network functions multitask dos apps executables network that great live eventually office working network and windows terminals leaves network pretty dos bound and guess that leaves windows for workgroups and future norton desktop that gettingahead you can guess never this read networks material that windows experience such area reply email don scan newsgroups for replies brian rev siano revpk cellar org eyes lost illusions and worldly wise and give listen missing missing lost love and havin fun cynical girl use for real world for cynical girl marshall crenshaw cynical girl
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	drivers for stealth debrown hubcap clemson edu david brown writes doug ward writes recently purchased diamond stealth video card and received wrong drivers can ftp proper drivers dstlth file cica not work this video card respond doug sun sws uiuc edu you doug ward you want and date use bbs hour download rates low yeah costs locking your system gets quick net stealth drivers david number you gave borland bbs and darned can find stealth drivers diamond bbs manual stealth had bunch trouble drivers that card locking syncing etc hope you dave
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	video benchmarks wanted compile chart for windows and dos performance local bus video card you and local bus video cards below email your winbench and dbench obtainable ftp wustl edu pub msdos uploads scores give winmark score and will post chart response received tseng vlb vlb based local bus card ati ultra pro vlb orchid celsius vlb agx based vlb cards exist matox mga based video cards
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	recording key mousestrokes windows confusing subject summary keywords postgrad researcher esl applied linguistics edith cowan university perth western australia desperately record results word processing sessions windows that can sit and replay results research subjects wordprocessing behaviours naturally can this windows macrorecorder and apps windows cannot pause resume can ctrl break this useless for researcher pause wordprocessing session replaying make notes annotations and resume left commence research for masters thesis and extremely grateful for assistance can mail johnoliver odin dialix advance john oliver
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	iconized printer utility for printer utility stay window icon and you drag file issue printing
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters hey larry can you comp sci major and never crash damn computer your dept teach you you that good programmer that not your assembly programs downed your machine crash protection such marketing gimick isn funny months windows machine had crash once and don run mill configuration you bother putting such stupid posts you that ignorant bob campbell clarkson university potsdam campbers craft clarkson edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	iconized printer utility article zhao auvm american edu zhao auvm american edu writes for printer utility stay window icon and you drag file issue printing you minimize print manager and drag file and will print you associate file extensions such things notepad for this tony annese claebaur shell portal claebaur cup portal
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters yamanari hey isn funny betas bugs hey favor and don put stupid posts bob clarkson university potsdam campbers craft clarkson edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	replacement for program article uupcb idcbbs les tom idcbbs les tom writes maw ying yuan wrote yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu maw ying yuan subject replacement for program manager and file manager message juj news hawaii edu date thu apr gmt replacements for win program manager and file manager yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu plannet crafter plug for program manager ceo sloop software sharware version retail version incredibly complete subfolders level choose icon hot keys drop menus button bars etc haven found doesn mailing compuserve for details tom tom hansen beard grows toes never wears tom vpnet chi clothes wraps hair bare and yam yam road shel silverstein
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	iconized printer utility article eval unix portal claebaur shell portal tony annese writes article zhao auvm american edu zhao auvm american edu writes for printer utility stay window icon and you drag file issue printing you minimize print manager and drag file and will print you associate file extensions such things notepad for this tony annese claebaur shell portal claebaur cup portal this work won involve invoking applications you drag bmp txt file min print manager icon won run notepad and paintbrush printing you want drag file txt bmp print server icon stay front attributes you intelligent print manager drag and drop client amish print ted
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	control systems analysis package cosy pak updated for mathematica announcing cosy pak symbolic control systems analysis package version user fee release for mathematica version higher introduction cosy pak set packages and notebooks for classical control and modern state space control analysis and design methods notebooks cosy pak follow typical control engineering taught universities world for junior senior level undergraduates fee use cosy pak responsibilities expected user copyright notice readme file included below for starters mail fax mail post registration form included readme file cosy pak anonymous ftp mishna esys cwru edu internet pub directory typical ftp session unix readme file future releases you receive updates and newer versions cosy pak send mail fax mail address below addition your comments and suggestions appreciated and invaluable will fix reported bugs cannot fix bugs that not reported and not you taking minutes communicate mail mail telephone fax this will release bug free versions future comments sreenath systems engineering department case school engineering case western reserve university mail sree mishna cwru edu mail prof sreenath tel systems engg crawford hall fax case western reserve univ cleveland begin readme file user fee release cosy pak symbolic control systems analysis package version for mathematica version higher chen sreenath systems engineering case school engineering case western reserve university cleveland mail sree mishna cwru edu copyright copyright copyright chen and sreenath case western reserve university permission use copy modify and distribute this software and documentation for purpose and fee hereby granted provided that copyright notice supporting documentation and name case western reserve university case school engineering not used advertising publicity pertaining distribution software specific prior permission case western reserve university makes representations suitability this software for purpose provided express implied warranty acknowledgements support cwru information and network services ray neff case alumni association lilly foundation and systems engineering department case western reserve university gratefully acknowledged special brian evans georgia tech for ftp cosy pak anonymous ftp mishna esys cwru edu internet sample ftp session end this file version update this version revised cosy pak advantage robust signal processing functions mathematica since mathematica and working laplacetransform and inverselaplacetransform functions mathematica adopted this made cosy pak smaller brian evans signal processing packages that supported laplacetransform and inverselaplacetransform functions cosy pak longer needed directly cosy pak for power users use signal processing recommend use fine brian evans package signal processing anonymous ftp site gauss eedsp gatech edu downside disadvantage this update can that mathematica requires runtime resources previous version for mathematica users included laplacetransform package mathematica directory for move files and directory for into calculus directory mathematica packages directory introduction this unsupported release cosy pak control systems analysis package for symbolic control systems analysis mathematica classical control systems analysis and design methods and modern control systems methods implemented this package this package and attendant notebooks developed computer unix based workstation used supplementary teaching aid standard control engineering texts ogata phillips and harbor for undergraduate courses control engineering taught systems engineering department cwru addition tested successfully apple macintosh computers and ibm running windows interested hear you you you this software platforms not mentioned ibm users will evaluate notebooks visualize graphics once installed below for instructions this collection mathematica packages can loaded user bundled packages notebooks cosy notes demonstrate functionality packages notebooks follow plan fine standard undergraduate control engineering text books listed references examples used notebooks collected references end this file contents notebooks cosy notes directory below begin cosy notes contents notebook file name introduction chapter introduction control systems sections analyticity poles and zeros signals forward laplace transforms inverse laplace transforms differential equation valued initial conditions differential equation initial conditions notebook file name math models chapter mathematical modeling dynamic systems sections ode state space linearization nonlinear system equations state space transfer function notebook file name transient response chapter transient response analysis chapter split into sub notebooks file size notebook file name transient response sections time response analysis order system second order system order and higher order systems notebook file name transient response sections order system step response time const notebook file name transient response sections second order system step response damping ratio notebook file name steady state response chapter steady state response sections routh stability steady state error analysis notebook file name root locus chapter root locus analysis notebook file name freq response chapter frequency response analysis sections bode plot analysis magnitude phase plot nichols plot polar plot nyquist plot combined example notebook file name state space chapter state space methods sections introduction state transition matrix controllability observability output controllability pole placement design observer design time response state space methods end notebook contents compressed files files that complete set cosy pak packages and notebooks for mathematica cosy pak tar compressed tar file for unix systems cosy pak sit hqx compressed sit file for macintosh systems and encoded binhex format requires shareware stuffit file higher cosy pak ibm zip zip file for ibm running dos once expanded mathematica files can used macintosh ibm unix systems installation cosy pak unix command line type command zcat cosy pak tar tar xvf macintosh open sit hqx file shareware stuffit higher ibm command line type command pkunzip cosy pak ibm zip note this zip file zipped zip utility you use pkunzip version higher unzip ibm limit directory name characters that event type pkunzip cosy pak zip you can unzip cosy pak ibm zip file unix machine you unzip utility uncompressing and untarring cosy pak tar unzipping cosy pak ibm zip will create directory called cosy pak once files expanded you single directory cosy pak containing files sub directories and contents sub directories cosy pak cosypak contains control tool box packages manual cosy pak manual rtf txt and formats cosy notes contains notebooks for contains laplace transform package mathematica for mathematica users files directory cosypak chap chap chap chap chap chap chap files directory cosy notes introduction math model transient response transient response transient response steady state response root locus freq response state space files directory for laplacetransform diracdelta sub directories cosy pak common files directory common support important notebook example files files will cosy notes directory use notebooks move directory cosypak directory that mathematica can recognize locallibrary mathematica packages unix machine harddisk mathematica packages apple macintosh winmath packages ibm beginning initialization cell each notebook cosy notes directory list example make mathematica identify directory initialization path example for unix machine default path join path locallibrary mathematica packages example for apple macintosh path join path harddisk mathematica packages example for ibm path join path winmath packages change pathname your machine removing mathematica comment sign and and path setting this command makes mathematica recognize directory locallibrary mathematica packages unix machine harddisk mathematica packages apple macintosh winmath packages ibm mathematica users include laplacetransform package mathematica directory for move files and directory for into calculus directory mathematica packages directory getting started installation start mathematica and open notebooks cosy notes directory notebooks load packages navigate notebooks and enjoy ibm users will evaluate notebooks visualize graphics user responsibilities request you minutes and fill information below and mail mail fax mail this will your abreast improvements and release versions cosy pak suggestions for improvements cut your name organization title mail postal address comments suggestions cut mail this information mail fax mail internet sree mishna cwru edu mail prof sreenath tel systems engg crawford hall fax case western reserve univ cleveland report bugs report bugs and leave comments address suggestion for improvements and criticism will fix reported bugs cannot fix bugs that not reported and not you taking minutes communicate mail mail telephone fax this will release bug free versions future disclaimer and future releases this software property case western reserve university use this software your risk make express implied warranty packages and notebooks can made run mathematica versions lower modification not guarantee outcome documentation cosy pak functions indexed files manual directory chapters usage illustrated notebooks residing cosy notes directory your computer not support notebooks find macintosh computer and acquire mathreader public domain notebook reader mathreader will you peruse notebooks you will not evaluate code fragments references dorf modern control systems sixth edition addison wesley york fortmann and hitz introduction linear control systems marcel dekker franklin powell and emami naeini feedback control dynamic systems second edition addison wesley york kuo automatic control systems sixth edition prentice hall jersey ogata modern control engineering second edition prentice hall jersey phillips and harbor feedback control systems second edition prentice hall jersey end readme file typical ftp session ftp mishna esys cwru edu connected mishna mishna ftp server version sun nov ready name mishna esys cwru edu sree anonymous password ftp pub ftp binary ftp port command successful opening ascii mode data connection for file list cosy pak tar cosy pak ibm zip index readme places wmd cosy pak untar transfer complete bytes received seconds kbytes ftp cosy pak tar port command successful opening binary mode data connection for cosy pak tar bytes transfer complete local cosy pak tar remote cosy pak tar bytes received seconds kbytes ftp quit goodbye
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote jenk microsoft jen kilmer writes deleted for brevity point that not microsofties sell readers products conflict ads philosophy usenet necessarily access info that smacks that remember poll that you quoted that you had users satisfied dos care recall unbiased sample set that post looked fud and coming microsoftie not level reseller survey advocacy good spreading fud advocate your favorite unethical you vested interest success that don recall fud example tired people assuming that microsofties members borg that actions invite this opinion never defensive people life posts encourage this imho for part this newsgroup attack oriented microsoft attacked ranging quality products intelligence people integrity business etc defensive baselessly attacked human beings you expect response claim that employee feel unwarranted leveled speaking shame that techie employees heat for actions perpetrated management and marketing that talented etc not doubts abilities ethics marketing practices divya divya live long and die slow and horrible death confucius wanted
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article dnp news claremont edu tlilley jarthur claremont edu ted writes article timbolc netcom timbol netcom mike timbol writes this give you word naming sources that ibm paid companies write applications for satisfied not query you mean paid you implying that helped offset development costs paid for entire cost producing product mean paid companies that developed applications give you million dollars you port application suppose company question use million dollars for want you post figures for suppose ted not don exact figures and don want disclose this will that jim francis microsoft posted figure million payment ibm borland and that range that heard mike
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu divya sundaram writes jenk microsoft jen kilmer writes deleted for brevity point that not microsofties sell readers products conflict ads philosophy usenet necessarily access info that smacks that remember poll that you quoted that you had users satisfied dos and another msdos team member posted note that people not msdos team not necessarily that care recall unbiased sample set heard numbers wondered worked product support and knowing that typical support caller positive product figured wasn wandered marketing folks and asked and told survey registered users and posted that net people asked figure that post looked fud and coming microsoftie not level hmm figured chuck posted numbers not include find interesting that postitive info fear uncertainty doubt advocacy good spreading fud advocate your favorite unethical you vested interest success that you confused don pretend that msdos people that oses including unix don provide and features don push people use msdos even posted comp msdos misc that suggest waiting installing esp you trouble support overloaded release sales total bomb tired people assuming that microsofties members borg that actions invite this opinion never defensive people life ain don defensive sometimes you msdos gets respect microsoft mean aren cut dough cookie cutter don alike yeah chuckst and inside info msdos doesn mean that speaking shame that techie employees heat for actions perpetrated management and marketing that talented etc not doubts abilities ethics marketing practices jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft msdos testing
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challenge microsoft supporters article microsoft kenk microsoft ken kiesow writes article sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote smacks that remember poll that you quoted that you had users satisfied dos care recall unbiased sample set that post looked fud and coming microsoftie not level reseller survey had posted that survey registered users double checked friendly neighborhood marketing type and found two surveys randomly selected resellers randomly selected users upgrade registered user database surveys showed positive rating jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft msdos testing
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